7c1828 No.16811850[Last 50 Posts]
Has this had any longevity after the more or less failure of Steam Machines? I don't feel like I've heard a thing about it since then. Does anyone actually use it? I don't feel like watching youtuber impressions, most of them are dumb people.
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4ab719 No.16811866
>steam linux distro sold with overpriced prebuilts for TV gaming
I can only imagine that Stallman laced Gaben's donuts because it's the least profitable idea imaginable. At least it gave Linux some steam more compatibility incentives.
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000000 No.16811869
SteamOS and Steam Machines were the biggest fucking flops Volvo ever put out, I have never seen one single person either in person or even online that owned a Steam Machine or used SteamOS even once. Everything on Steam is on Windows already, so why put out a gimped and bloated version of a free OS on overpriced gayman rigs that somehow manage to play even less games despite being designed around them? Expect more of this retardation to follow with Alyx and Index.
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3b6dd7 No.16811870
Along with Valve Machines it was pretty much a reaction to Windows 10 as Valve were afraid Microsoft would cut support to Steam as an anti competitive measure, and indeed Steam on Windows 10 was poorly supported for it's first year and a half and had tons of issues.
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f8a47e No.16811872
>>16811850
SteamOS was a failure, it's basically just Debian with Steam Big Picture put on over it. I had no idea what the hell they were thinking with it.
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7c1828 No.16811878
>>16811870
I thought that was so, I was sort of wondering if they have something up their sleeves come Win 7 being phased out.
>Steam on Windows 10 was poorly supported for it's first year and a half and had tons of issues
That's news to me, that must have sucked if you were one of those dorks that did the free Win 10 upgrade thing.
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5cab75 No.16811879
SteamOS failed because it used UNIX brain damage.
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5332b3 No.16811881
>>16811872
>I had no idea what the hell they were thinking with it.
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5066fb No.16811967
Think they eventually found out that keeping an OS current actually takes work, and skill. And considering their failure with hardware, not limited to the machines, not surprising it died.
Anyway, as opposed to offering a complete OS, valve went towards their "proton" tool for linux users, which means not trying to convince a bunch of discordant users to jump ship to a new OS. Where the target audience get into debates about menu search engines spying on their users, and other spyware measures on popular distributions.
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773c03 No.16811972
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b68c92 No.16811974
>>16811967
>Think they eventually found out that keeping an OS current actually takes work, and skill.
it's just debian, it's not like the build their own distro from the ground up. it still gets updates, but the idea of steamos + boxes is dead. apparently they're also paying 1-2 devs to work on the amd driver, so there's that too.
>Where the target audience get into debates about menu search engines spying on their users, and other spyware measures on popular distributions.
usually retarded on the level of "ps3 has no games", that shit got cleared up years ago. now, systemd on the other hand…
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6065f8 No.16811975
>>16811972
>Manjaro
Isn't that a meme like Arch Linux and the Sega Saturn?
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6aa4a8 No.16811976
>>16811869
Thing is that I think it could've had moderate success if it was billed more as an entry level PC that could be friendly for consolefags, which is what I suspect the original plan was.Where they fucked up was licensing out the hardware to prebuilt manufacturers and not having a standardized Steam Box.
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7c1828 No.16811979
>>16811967
Oh right, I entirely forgot Proton existed. Weren't there still a lot of incompatibilities compared to wine or has that improved?
>>16811976
I didn't get that at all, they could have at least put their foot down about some specifications for the boxes and still farmed it out.
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3b6dd7 No.16811982
>>16811979
>Weren't there still a lot of incompatibilities compared to wine or has that improved
Proton is essentially Wine
https://www.protondb.com/
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773c03 No.16811985
>>16811975
Yes just use it.
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5177d3 No.16811993
The problem is is that Valve doesn't want to support something that doesn't immediately make them hundreds of millions of dollars. The Machines and OS flopped. 0 support. Steam used to sell movies. They buffered a lot and and rarely got new movies. 0 support. The controller fucking sucks, and they're trying to sell them all off now. We all know how much support Artifact got.
It's in everyone's best interests nowadays to not jump onto anything Valve makes without some time passing to see if it's good and if it will be supported in the future. I hope no one bought their VR headset…
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7c1828 No.16812000
>>16811982
That's a pretty handy db, surprised how many of my games appear compatible nowadays. I may just get the hell off Windows already with my new build. Most of the software I use have Linux builds at this point anyway.
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127eb6 No.16812012
That shit flopped because of Valve's own laziness. Like a lot of Valve's projects. They potentially could have had a huge game changer if they made an affordable PC that could compete with consoles and even had the potential to be upgraded. However, they trusted the same greedy companies that make overpriced turds that reinforce the "You need +$1k to build a PC that will be outdated in 2 months" meme. Wasn't one of the Steam boxes around 9k? It even had a fucking mobile graphics card in it. I swear if they didn't have cosmetics and Steam printing them money then they'd be bankrupt within a few years.
Half-Life Alyx will probably go the same way.
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c6e010 No.16812017
>>16812000
Linux gaming has made leaps and bounds in a very short amount of time due to many things including Proton and the technologies Proton uses. It's actually better at certain vidya experiences like older titles or DOS.
Outside of anti-cheat I haven't really found many games I can't get running. If a game uses harsh DRM or anti-cheat that makes it unplayable then I don't really mind not playing the game because it just means it's made by faggots for faggots. Deleting W7 and getting off Microsoft products overall was one of the best tech and vidya related decisions I ever made.
>>16812012
Steam Machines flopped but people mistake it as some money making or linux-pushing line by Valve when it was just Valve wanting some retail presence outside of gift cards and they certainly weren't going to be buying tons of Windows licenses to go with their hardware (they think windows is a doomed future for gaming on steam anyway) so they just spinned their own OS which wasn't necessary. They should've just partnered with some PC-building site and chose an established linux OS. A part of the steam site/client that allows you to measure your current system specs and buy upgrades would've been cool. For pre-builts they could've just allowed the option of which OS you want with of course add to cart if you select a Windows. Linux fags will just order with no OS and install their own anyway. For windows refugees they could just select from a few common OS pre-installs like Ubuntu and Manjaro which has been doing very well lately.
>I swear if they didn't have cosmetics and Steam printing them money then they'd be bankrupt within a few years.
Not really. It depends on their operational costs. If it's not super expensive to run all of their shit then I don't see why they couldn't keep making money through standard game purchases. They don't have that many employees given how many customers they serve. With W10 being as bad as it is every single refugee goes to linux and the only proper client to purchase things on is Steam. They've been spending a lot of money to support linux gaming technologies with no direct return on their investments. They're thinking ahead but just not with steam machines.
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b8019f No.16812023
In my opinion they used it as a show of power to Microsoft who were considering the future of Windows at the time.
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349d5c No.16812036
>>16811850
>debian but with steam preinstalled
i'm pretty much doing that and it's comfortable.
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f2a5e2 No.16812038
I've used it.
Super basic Debian based distribution, it's workable into something useful, but like they recommend you should get an actual distribution.
Honestly they should have waited until Proton was worked on as much as it was, and even then, there really isn't a reason to use this over an actual distribution.
Have heard though with the Canonical being as MONUMENTALLY FUCKING RETARDED as they were. Maybe it might get worked on again?
The actual stats for linux users on steam is kind of fucked because of the opt in nature for public stats.
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f2a5e2 No.16812042
>>16811993
Actually the dropped the steam controller since they're finally making a new one
Price was bumped up to $49? instead of the $34 which kind of sucks though.
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f2a5e2 No.16812044
>>16811975
It's Arch linux but most of the retarded shit you shouldn't have to do to just use a computer is already done.
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7c1828 No.16812055
>>16812017
I've been on quite an abandonware and early 2000's games kick lately and considering the amount of compatibility problems I've seen with older games on 10 it's really the only option I'd go with at this point. How do GOG installer games work, by the way? I have a pretty big load of those laying around.
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f2a5e2 No.16812059
>>16812055
Pretty sure those'll work fine if you use wine on the installer
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7c1828 No.16812066
>>16812059
Nice, also interesting seeing someone has actually used SteamOS.
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f2a5e2 No.16812068
>>16812066
"used" is a strong word.
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26eb8b No.16812072
>>16812055
I installed a GOG game on linux recently, as >>16812059 said I just ran wine on the installer and it worked without problem. I then added the installed exe to lutris, tweaked some settings in the settings menu there (enabling DXVK and telling it to use my DGPU since I'm on a laptop) and the game worked fine.
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f2a5e2 No.16812081
>>16812059
>>16812055
Gave it a quick shot with Army Men II
wine worked fine, just ran popped into the directory it installed to and ran it with wine
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c6e010 No.16812086
>>16812038
>The actual stats for linux users on steam is kind of fucked because of the opt in nature for public stats.
That's only the steam hardware survey results that are published publicly. Valve knows exactly how many linux users they have. They just have no incentive to let their competitors have that valuable data for free. Based on their recent investments they think it's a worthwhile market so I'm betting the linux users % is much higher than the surveys suggest. Valve practically casptured the entire linux gaming market outside of the GNU/client purists.
>>16812055
>How do GOG installer games work, by the way? I have a pretty big load of those laying around.
As >>16812072 said there's some configuring to be done but it's usually not that bad. However Divinity Original Sin for me required divos-hack.so preloaded as a library. Search it if you want to know more. So it's definitely less reliable buying on GOG even for native games. I stopped buying on GOG because of this. Linux support has literally been the most requested feature for their client and its just been 'in progress' forever yet they released 2.0 without it as well as said they're focussing on fucking console and Mac support before it (https://archive.md/OoR6w) Let's not forget all the lists they nuked that exposed their shitty service https://archive.md/Hvf0c
Outside of direct service there's things like the censoring of gamergate on their forums ( https://archive.ph/0nJS0 ), bending over for SJWs and firing their staff for gamergate comments are another reason to not really want to give them any direct support.
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7c1828 No.16812097
>>16812072
>>16812081
>>16812086
Sounds like less of a pain than getting some old stuff running on 10. I guess what I read was some old info then.
>all that dirt on GOG
I'm glad I've largely just scurved their installers, I've heard they have trouble running on older Win versions even, seems dopey considering how many ancient games they sell.
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ead9f2 No.16812102
>>16812097
Funny enough, I tried giving GoG a tried and bought a single game from them (mostly because I forgot about the crazy amounts of shilling they did when they were new). That gay shit start happening and never used them again.
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1a56cf No.16812356
>>16812000
> I may just get the hell off Windows already with my new build.
Do it! I did it as well, and I have no intention of going back again. Anything is going to be better than the trashfire that is Windows. Just keep in mind that things are going to be somewhat different. You don't have to be a terminal hacker to use GNU/Linux, but don't be one of those people who want to turn GNU/Linux into Windows.
https://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
(that article has a number of issues, but the gist of it still applies)
When it comes to games though, be ready for some legwork. Even native games can be problematic because some developers just don't put enough work into the ports. The OS itself is fine, it's the quality of proprietary software that's shit.
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0d4a2c No.16812364
>>16811850
SteamOS was a shot at MS because they were moving towards locking down the Windows 10 environment.
MS opened up Windows environment as normal and had the Windows Store as an option.
So now SteamOS isn't necessary anymore.
End of story.
I would like if Valve just picked some hardware every year and said "target this" for devs, as a sort of soft-hardware-lock, which guaranteed that games would run on those specific hardware configurations, which devs and published could then target knowing that other vendors were selling bundles of that same hardware which also ran on SteamOS.
But frankly controlling hardware needs a dominant hand and Valve just isn't, and the PC market would revolt against it.
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97a969 No.16812385
>>16812364
>>16811850
There were some benefits to the SteamOS development, it drove the Proton and Vulkan development to new levels and seems to have significantly helped with Intel GPU driver performance. There were articles published that a steam dev diagnosed a performance hit that added about 10% more - which is a big deal for an integrated shitty GPU where you need everything you can get.
I ran with it on media centre to stream games from my windows desktop to big picture mode on TV but stopped after a while some years back. The clipping issues because of terrible AMD drivers, lack of good media streaming options beyond Chrome for Netflix - Kodi wouldn't build with most recent versions and it was a minor miracle that were any versions available thanks to ProfessorKaos64 who privately built and hosted repositories.
The OS really was an open alpha.
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52eaae No.16812420
>>16812086
I dunno after reading https://archive.md/Hvf0c it sound more like the devs are unwilling to support the GOG release/work with Gog rather than the service being shitty.
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c408a9 No.16812438
>>16812017
FYI I was moreso talking about steamboxes than steamOS. SteamOS still has potential but I think it will still flop in the long run.
>they think windows is a doomed future for gaming on steam anyway
I doubt that's the case. It's more likely they don't want to be shackled to Microsoft for much longer. It's a smart move, because Microsoft has a very long and notorious history of fucking anyone dependent on them into the dirt. I'm honestly surprised M$ didn't pull some shady shit sooner to kill Steam and make Games for Window Live the dominant PC gaming platform.
>Not really. It depends on their operational costs. If it's not super expensive to run all of their shit then I don't see why they couldn't keep making money through standard game purchases. They don't have that many employees given how many customers they serve. With W10 being as bad as it is every single refugee goes to linux and the only proper client to purchase things on is Steam. They've been spending a lot of money to support linux gaming technologies with no direct return on their investments. They're thinking ahead but just not with steam machines.
They have around 500 employees, but a lot of them have million dollar salaries. Their only form of revenue is from Steam, Cosmetics, licenses from the source engine and sales for their old games. Every single project they've had in the last few years: Artifact, Dota Underlords, Steam boxes, Steam Controller has failed. I doubt VR has turned a profit at all. Gabe said himself the markets too small.
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000000 No.16812444
>>16812438
>I doubt VR has turned a profit at all
As far as I'm aware the normalfags are losing their minds over half life: quadroon and it's selling out all of valve's VR headsets world wide.
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4b65cf No.16812445
>>16811866
It doesn't cost anything and consumers like eating low fps shit anyway.
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4b65cf No.16812448
>>16812086
They are dirty (((poles))) trying to max profit. They also deleted critique for Elex on the Elex GOG page but left the russian comments which pointed that out. Presumably because they can't read russian and are to lazy to check them with a translator.
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000000 No.16812499
>>16812055
when I installed Worms Armageddon it needed a few HTML libs for the installer, it downloaded them automatically and it just werked until I fucked up the config and told it to use D3D (which doesn't exist) so now the game is just a black screen. Tried to fix it but broke Wine in the process so fuck me
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000000 No.16812500
>>16812097
Tried running their UT2004 installer on Win2K and it didn't work, even with KernelEx
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f2a5e2 No.16812514
>>16812364
I get what you are saying, but that's really not the case because Microsoft has a strict defined end goal of choking out legacy support and having EVERYTHING only downloadable through them on windows machines.
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bbe6d0 No.16816054
I just had a hot idea. What the hell would happen if I made an ARM build and tried to run vidya through all this proton/lutris sort of thing.
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f5e39c No.16816075
>>16816054
I'm not sure wine runs under ARM.
I could be wrong, though
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349d5c No.16816081
>>16816054
you could do it but you have to deal with the fact that arm hardware is slow
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bbe6d0 No.16816082
>>16816075
>>16816081
I would have to have an emulator involved as well, I think. Where'd you get the idea ARM is slow?
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bbe6d0 No.16816086
I think the ARM machine I have in mind could simply hump a virtual machine while I'm busy on another monitor.
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403b6a No.16816094
>>16816075
There is Wine for ARM which works together with QEMU
https://www.quora.com/Can-WINE-for-ARM-run-Windows-x86-apps
Obviously it will be slower because of emulation but many things that have Linux ARM builds could run at full speed.
Where do you even get consumer ARM hardware that is faster than a phone? Are you talking about something like ARM-servers?
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441646 No.16816155
>>16812438
>I'm honestly surprised M$ didn't pull some shady shit sooner to kill Steam and make Games for Window Live the dominant PC gaming platform.
Valve got lucky that at the time Microsoft was occupied with Xbox 360 and PC gaming was just an afterthought to them.
>>16811993
>The controller fucking sucks
Why? It's surprisingly good and the only controller you can actually use to play strategy games with. Only bad thing about it is that it's shackled to Steam.
>>16812364
>I would like if Valve just picked some hardware every year and said "target this" for devs,
That's not a good thing, as it would quickly devolved into Nvidia and possibly Intel throwing money at Valve to not pick any competing hardware. Nvidia is notorious for this. At least now they have harder time, as they have to pay off multiple studios instead of having just one target.
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fcc050 No.16816208
>>16811869
>Everything on Steam is on Windows already, so why put
>why not stay hostage to a system you have no power over, being completely proprietary, an added price(considering people actually pay for windows) for accessing your store, and that already comes with their own game store that competes directly against you
You're really bright minded.
Dont forget that as >>16812086 said, they completely dominate linux gaming if we're talking about actual stores.
>>16811878
Windows 10 is a piece of shit, anything is broken on it by default.
t. actually had to experience windows 10 for 4 months because of a vr headset
I ended up finally changing to full on linux no dualboot over a year ago after selling the headset though I really love VR. Complete instability hell, being busy at the time I just couldn't deal with having to waste a day at random doing a full windows reinstall, reinstalling my programs and backing up my files.
>>16811972
>just use this unstable distro
Good luck running it for 2 months without a single bug tagging along out of nowhere.
>>16812499
lol
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3f5bf7 No.16816239
>>16811869
I installed SteamOS in a VM when it was new. It was shit.
Essentially you're stuck with this gimped Debian-based distro that uses its own repositories (un)maintained by Valve and just starts a X server with nothing but Steam's big picture mode on it. You can go to the options menu or something, I don't remember 100%, but you definitely can change a setting and get a desktop. They supposedly used to add some extra modules to the kernel for gaming hardware support but I have no idea what the fuck those were because Linux already had the best peripheral support of any OS (kernel) by the time SteamOS came out.
There's 0 reason to use it over just installing Steam on any other normalfag distro. The only audience this is good for is extreme normalfags who have never used a PC, but those play even less games than console normalfags.
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0418bb No.16816350
>>16816054
You'd have emulators and FLOSS games that compile fine on ARM available, and the missing stuff you'd have to run through QEMU and that would be slow and buggy.
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9ba104 No.16816358
While we're at it, what are some sexy Linax distros that have the best game support? I was thinking of using KDE Neon or Feren OS on my desktop, even though I know I won't be able to play some of my current games.
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000000 No.16816427
I tried it, it's not worth using over Ubuntu LTS. Heck, just use Debian Stable or Devuan if you wanna run games.
>>16811879
One day we will have our hentai VNs written in PL/I, the way Buddha intended.
>>16811881
>money
>it doesn't even come with any more spyware/DRM than normal steam on linux
I disagree, I think SteamOS exists because Valve is rightfully worried over the direction of Ubuntu (which is cloud-vm first, desktop second) and Debian (developer first, german self-hosted mastodon queer second, fuck desktop users).
>>16812023
This. It was a warning sign for Nutella and Microsoft.
>>16812072
I also have tried using GOG exes on wine with dxvk and winetricks, worked fine for STALKER, BLOOD, Uplink etc. Props to the wine developers and proton and stuff.
>lutris
gay
>>16816054
The only clever idea for uncommon CPU architectures for PC gaming is that a POWER9 might be able to run PS3 and Xbox360 games without a significant emulation tax for CPU stuff. Still, I don't think it's worth the effort creating another emulator.
>>16816358
Steam recommends Ubuntu LTS for a reason, non-debian distros may have slightly different libraries with distro specific patches. This is not a problem for wine, but it is a significant problem for native Linux executables and emulators.
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0418bb No.16816445
>>16816358
Gentoo, Slackware, or Void.
They're the top dogs among the few linux distros that have yet to fall.
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32a268 No.16816494
>>16816358
lets assume you're new to using Linux:
MX Linux has a solid newbie friendly interface and runs most things without issue
Linux ports of games from gog have no problem running (though you will have to go into the properties of each installer .sh file and set them to run as a program just to install them)
I have less experience working with WINE, PlayOnLinux and Steam's Proton, but what little I have played worked without issue provided it didn't need .netFramework
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272156 No.16816498
>>16816358
>>16816494
Gonna second MX Linux, easy to use and works fine with wine and Steam so far.
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bf96e5 No.16816542
>>16816358
Right now I think KDE neon doesn't come with 32bit support out of the box and it might need to be enabled. If you're using steam most of its dependencies are built around Ubuntu 18.04 lts so derivatives of that are more likely to work (they do have a specific runtime you can use with steam play that has the dependencies, same place you'd enable proton) and some things like steamvr might need more fiddling in other distributions, not that it's bluntly impossible, I know a few dudes who used Manjaro that played Pavlov vr before the dev broke it, somewhat of a rule now (that's somewhat nice) is that usually if you have an issue someone has already had it before you and a quick search can find a solution
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f5e39c No.16816612
>>16816358
I'm on debian 10, and pretty much everything works under wine.
lutris is fucking great
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bbe6d0 No.16816752
>>16816612
Is there any point to not just running straight debian? Aside from sort of having to know what you're doing? That Manjaro Architect fork looks interesting to me, I'm a bit anal about shell environments from the get go and I like how it lets you say yay or nay to whatever.
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d0913c No.16816831
because there are no other steam threads
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f5e39c No.16816918
>>16816752
I did a lot of distro hopping before I settled on debian. never tried any arch variants, though. I like my shit to be persistently stable.
that said, I found debian to be the easiest to use. even more so than ubuntu, but you do need to know what you're doing. just a quick example… I used ubuntu a long time ago and every update broke fucking something. I recently did a dist upgrade from debian 9 to 10 and near everything worked. there was literally one audio issue which I fixed with one line from the first google hit. even my damn gpu passthrough setup survived without any issues.
the only negative thing I can say about debian is that they really are slow with new software / updates. 10 is pretty much current now, but it will change over a year or so. best example are the proprietary nvidia drivers. on 9 I had to use backports (like everyone else) so there's that option, but it does cause some dependency issues depending on what you're installing.
>I'm a bit anal about shell environments from the get go
like what? can't you just copy over your .rc files or something?
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d63bba No.16816991
>>16816831
I feel like it's a wasted opportunity to not have the giant rat that makes all of the rules.
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bbe6d0 No.16817026
>>16816918
Yeah, that's my 10+ year old experience with debian. At least it's consistent with that quality of keeping to stability yet maybe a few months out-of-date for saneness.
>like what? can't you just copy over your .rc files or something?
I won't say, but I just appreciate you can get that done via that Manjaro Architect installer from the get go.
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8423f3 No.16817046
>>16811850
It's still being maintained by Valve, but you're better off using a different version of Debian instead. Even if you're a couch-with-controller gamer.
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413e63 No.16832983
At least the hype convinced a bunch of devs to port their games to linux.
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4b0803 No.16834218
>>16817046
valve also focused more on specific parts like proton and amd gpu drivers instead of trying to make their whole own distro (probably expecting people will contribute), so steamos was useful for at least that.
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21b1e9 No.16834244
>>16834218
This. Proton is great and covers many of the failures of the otherwise lackluster SteamOS support.
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0c7902 No.16834864
>>16816208
i had alot of trouble with windows 10 compatibility recently myself, during an upgrade, turns out my OS decided it HATED being on an SSD that contained games and other unnecessary files, buying another ssd just for bootOS and essential programs solved the problem completely, my original SSD is an expensive high end samsung 500gb and from the moment it was formatted and turned solely into a games hdd it's been performing perfectly fine with 0 problems.
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43a196 No.16834974
>>16816358
Valve's one of the most major providers for games, and a lot of other places (itch.io gog playism) follow along them, and they design around Ubuntu (LTS and current) primarily. While, literally it's not impossible to get by on other distributions, and it's easier now that Valve has a Runtime Library SPECIFICALLY for software hosted through them, you're probably going to get the best results on Ubuntu with a custom ppa for up to date graphics drivers, but others are also an option.
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e2cdeb No.16835742
Steamlink (along with Steamlink for phones, and Pi) have been pretty fucking great though, not gonna lie, honestly the best local streaming software I've used in a long while
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ad5a31 No.16843568
dude just get a normal linux os that doesn't have garbage.
You just add one thing to allow steam big picture to boot at start up
They should have waited until proton was at a stable state internally before thinking about launching
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