/v/ - Video Games

>>16807338

Why was Graces f the last good Tales game? Why are they trying to make shitty full on action games now? Why were Berseria and Zestiria so shit and why does Arise look even worse?

Disbanding Team Destiny was a mistake.

>>16807480

ironically beseria and zestiria are the last two tales games on PC that i was going to finish. I don't really know hoe beseria is shit and i vaguely remember a few things about zestiria

>>16807490

Was Xilia your first Tales game or something?

>>16807375

> I see them kind of as the backbone JRPG now

>what is Dragon Quest?

>>16807515

no, Symphonia

Tales was always kind of average to shit, it just got worse after they disbanded the main dev teams since Bandai's gatchashit makes more return money.

>>16807590

>disbanded the main dev teams

How the fuck do they keep being made then?

>>16807799

Just play them and rank them yourself, every tier list I've ever seen has problems mostly because taste is subjective.

>>16807803

Yeah but there are objective elements to tier lists, such as certain games missing features or scenes, or being terrible ports, and certain lists state preferred chronological order if there's internal canon.

I think every Tales game is standalone unless they share the same name (such as the Symphonia games), and the Zestiria port is stuck at 30fps on PC.

>>16807822

>Vesperia

Seriously, how do you fuck up AI that much? The whole thing is that the enemies chase the player controlled character no matter what.

>>16807826

I have no idea. I remembered loving Vesperia when my Tales group was still together , and I'm sure it's great still if you have at least one other player, but going back to it with the remaster…

Playing a healer character is impossible, as all enemies will home into the controlled character making spellcasting impossible. You'd think the AI would take advantage of not being focused to attack the enemy, but no, they just stand there ineffectively or poke once and run away. There are great mechanics that you'd love to take advantage of if you didn't have 4 enemies raping your asshole at any moment because your allies refuse to engage anything.

>>16807822

Forgot:

Tales of Xillia (with friends) in the top part.

>>16807822

>symphonia

>insufferable characters

>insufferable dungeons

Symphonia's characters are good whether you agree with them or not. Grace's characters are a prime example of insufferable, not Symphonia's. The dungeons are objectively the best of the 3d games, even if they're mediocre to shit in comparison to other games dungeons.

>>16807835

So you say, but the four people I played through Symphonia with (and the same ones I played through most of those other games listed as with friends up there) unanimously decided that it was the worst tales game that we have played. The dungeon gimmicks being horrible was one of the primary reasons for this, particularly that damn Elven forest. We only made it to the end with copious amounts of liquor. Maybe the solo experience is better? Possibly. This was just my experience with it though, playing symphonia after many of the more modern ones.

Character wise, it's painfully generic. Zelos and Genis in the insufferable camp and Regal is in the "Why are you even here?" camp. The other characters are just… meh. At least Graces had Captain Malik and Pascal to make things amusing.

The only good thing about Zestiria was that kickass intro song. Even without the lyrics that was a great way to start the game. Sadly the rest of it is kinda mediocre. A lot of JRPGs are now though. Considering I used to love the fuck out of them it's pretty frustrating.

>I dont wanna shit the bed

>>16807844

>A lot of JRPGs are now though.

Literally every single JRPG released these past seven years have been dogshit at best.

>>16807253

>The last ~10 games have been mediocre to garbage and yet somehow they continue to sell

>be jrpg weeb

>7th gen just got started and you have bright hopes for the future

>you expect vidya to be just like gen 6 but with better graphics

>you expect to find hundreds of different jrpgs as you did in last gen

>you are hyped for the FFXIII trailers that are finally ditching their shitty MMO antics

<but then built in modems and online gaming fucked everything up

<everything tryes to be an MMO a sandbox or a FPS

<nips westernize themselves to get a slice of the CoD crowd shekkels

<publishers jewishnes goes over 9000

<very few games come out, very few of them jrpgs

<FFXIII is the biggest dissapointment of the console generation

<all games begin to homogenize and imitate each other trying to get that broader appeal (aka lowest common denominator)

<barelly any decent jrpg survives in consoles

<only half decent series that's still alive is the "Tales of" series

it's no surprise that it does good despite being shit, there practically no competition in the console market

part of the succes of games like Persona 5 come from the fact that it is a well made jrpg that came at a time when the crowd for that genere was starving for some quality vidya

>>16807874

Are you implying persona 5 isn't shit

>>16807964

Persona 5 is okay, but overhyped. Part of it's popularity comes from it being released in a drought of good games.

>>16808116

i know this image is bait but New horizons isn't even out, so how is it bad? Nintendo? Did they cut shit?

>>16808118

>i know this image is bait but

But you bit anyway

>>16808116

How is this image even 2mb with how compressed it is

>>16807822

The phrase is "on a bus". "On a bridge" doesn't make any goddamn sense.

Zesteria's equipment system was fun to play with. Combat was pretty simplistic most of the time, mainly because what you could do was decided out of combat by the equipment. Berseria is kind of the opposite, but the OP therion mode kind of ruins it. Maybe you could stomach playing the other characters but when I tried it was just too damn slow and everything seemed built around that one OP mechanic.

>>16807829

>>16807826

I haven't played Vesperia yet, but what it sounds like is that they didn't want to worry about NPCs dying all the time and frustrating the player with shit AI, so they made enemies focus the player instead. Then they didn't want it to be exploitable by simply kiting the enemies around and letting NPCs do all the fighting while not being targetted, so they limited NPC damage effectiveness. The end result is what may as well be a single character battle instead of a party fight.

>>16808237

>Zesteria's equipment system was fun to play with.

I thought it was annoying, and encouraged you to just horde everything and then sort though huge lists of gear trying to arrange elements on the grid rather than progressing gear stats - making them largely useless. Largely, and not totally, because the game even flat out tells you that you can ignore element tetris altogether and just equip new gear as it comes and do just as well.

Thanks guys, nice to know this maddening system that's grating up years of conditioning on the gear treadmill isn't even fucking necessary and could have been stripped out of the game to no consequence.

>>16808116

>Smash ultimate is worse than Smash4.

>>16808237

It makes plenty of sense because the character literally leaves the party to fix a bridge. "Oh boo hoo our fighting caused essential bridge to be destroyed I must stay and fix it for the common people. See you in the final act as a cameo."

Therion is OP but Armatization is 10x worse. You can remove velvet from party, but you can't even make Zestria parties without Armatization targets.

>>16807781

Skeleton crew and keeping a couple of the freelance artists and Motoi Sakuraba. Berseria is a fucking hallway and Zesteria was devoid of environmental objects even though they stacked it with employees.

>>16808116

Replace Valkyria Chronicles 4 with 2 and it'd be more accurate.

>>16807905

Played it on my toaster and it never crashed and ran 60 fps the whole time.

>>16808538

No idea why it keeps crashing, even tried the fix but it made no difference.

Maybe it doesn't like newer hardware?

Or it could be AMDs new adrenaline release causing a fuck up somewhere.

>>16808288

It's COMPLETELY necessary for doing the bonus dungeons. For example, stacking 11 of the same skill reduces cast times by 40%, and you can do this twice with different skills to get 80% cast time reduction. With that, you can then spam your slowest, most powerful "spells" for massive damage. That's just one example of what the skill combos do, and there's multiple valid builds revolving around different strategies.

As for collecting skills, that's mostly a post-game/ng+ thing. There's a NG+ bonus that lets double/triple skills count for stacks, and there's a method of increasing the double/triple skill drop rate. There are also advanced methods of combining equipment together to get exactly the skills you want.

>>16808348

That's not why she left. She left because she didn't have strong enough resonance, and sustaining her ability to use/see seraphim was making sorey go blind (and probably worse).

>16808348

>>16809994

>It's COMPLETELY necessary for doing the bonus dungeons.

If you have to wait until the end-game content or "bonus" content to make your core mechanics non-optional, then you've fucked up your core mechanics and pacing.

I barely dragged myself through the finish to the main story. No interest in doing bonus content.

>>16810020

That's the case with lots of games though. The main story is easy mode because it has to be accessible to retards (like you, apparently). Only the optional content lets them go all out.

Zesteria had a great equipment/character build system and the content to properly show it off, if you care. The actual combat though was pretty shit.

>>16809994

It may as well have been the reason she left.

There was never any reason for Rose to have resonance, aside from being the producer's waifu. They just scribbled in a plot reason after the fact. The fact they did this and left zestria with a paltry 6 character cast is pretty mystifying, especially considering said character had moves and animations and everything all done. DLC walling her was just the final insult.

>>16807355

I liked Zestiria throwing the "Ah, you're the person we've been waiting for" angle, since most Tales games are you as a roving party that is basically unknown or hunted, rather than revered. Symphonia doesn't count since you don't get the special treatment outside of areas controlled by the church for Zelos and Collette getting preferential treatment, while Lloyd is treated like a pain and shoved to the side by everyone else except his friends. Didn't play Berseria though.

Xillia 2 is disappointing for people since it reuses assets for nearly everything, but I really liked the exploration of the first game's characters, even though it's kind of shitty that you don't get everyone all the time. It's really neat though since it's about alternate dimensions, you see a lot of "what-ifs" and it's really soul crushing at times to see that your world is actually one of the worst ones, but you fight to save it anyhow because it's the one you're from. The ending is meh, but the meat and potatoes was fun. Having three weapon types at all times was also pretty cool but somewhat unpolished. Still, a solid game.

>>16807375

>I got tired of Luke's shit about the same time the rest of the party abandoned his sorry ass.

I'd recommend picking it back up as that's the major turning point (as I'm sure you could guess) and the most I'll say is "He gets better." I don't think Abyss is the greatest by any means, but I enjoyed it a lot. And that includes liking the stupid naming scheme of Phonons and THE SCOOOOOOOOOOOORE. But overall, I like the character designs, I think the story is acceptable, the set designs are nice and Tear is the best military waifu. Also helps that Abyss is the more polished version of Symphonia for combat, so it feels pretty good.

>>16807819

Yep, every Tales game is standalone unless it shares a name. Symphonia (and 2) are actually prequels to Phantasia, though, but you don't need to play those to play Phantasia. If you hate 3D movement and love character development, play Legendia. Just be prepared to hear "Chasing Shirley" every two seconds. If you want a more polished combat system from Symphonia, play Abyss and Vesparia. If you want an evolved combat system that does away with needing TP items, Graces F (though I hate the character designs, honestly). Hate playing with 4 people? Play Xillia and Xillia 2. Hate play Tales games? Play Zestiria and Berseria. I haven't tried any of the older ones like Destiny so I can't comment on those, but I imagine they're similar to Phantasia, which can be too grindy, imo.

>>16807842

>particularly that damn Elven forest.

That takes like 10 minutes to get through, if that. How is it a problem?

>>16808116

The problem with this image is that some of these games actually are the worst in their series. 3rd Birthday, #FE, AssHor, BioShock Infinite. And then you get shit tastes like calling Vesparia the worst when Symphonia 2 exists, BotW when mindless set-piece Twilight Princess exists, and DMCV when DMC2 exists.

>>16809111

I blame Adrenaline. I played on Vega 64 with a 1700, no dropped frames, 4k the whole time. But I also played on older drivers like a year or so ago. I just wish Berseria didn't have Denuvo.

>>16811017

>I'd recommend picking it back up as that's the major turning point

I'm kind of waiting on a PC port, but I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. Originally played it on 3DS, but I'm not blowing $40 on the game new (because Nintendo shit never goes down in price for some reason), or spending $20 on a chewed up cartridge with no box from GameStop.

I'll hop on a site we all know and download the PS2 version. See where it goes from there. Do you know if there's any major bugs or incompatibilities emulating it?

>>16811017

> If you hate 3D movement and love character development, play Legendia.

You'd have more fun playing the Destiny PS2 games in Japanese, the combat in Legendia is shit.

>>16811060

>Do you know if there's any major bugs or incompatibilities emulating it?

Worked fine for me. Never quite finished the game (got a lot farther than you did), but I don't remember any problems.

If I had to guess, I'd say I was just a couple dungeons out from finishing the game. I don't actually know that for sure but it sounds about right. Just got distracted by something else and was never really that interested to begin with, so I never got back.

>>16811078

>If I had to guess, I'd say I was just a couple dungeons out from finishing the game. I don't actually know that for sure but it sounds about right. Just got distracted by something else and was never really that interested to begin with, so I never got back.

It's not like Tales games are worth completing anyways, it's not like you're actually playing it for the braindead scenario.

>>16811060

Not a clue if there's any issues with PS2 emulation, but I think you can also play it on Citra, since the 3DS version fixes a lot of issues that the PS2 verison has, like the abysmal loading times. And it fixes some side quests for obtaining ultimate weapons, I believe.

>>16811074

I'm not contesting that one, Legendia doesn't feel great unless you only play as Senel and like boring combat that feels like a mediocre fighting game.

>>16811078

Yeah, you probably were a few dungeons out. If you weren't that invested by that time, you're not missing much by not completing it, honestly. I liked the characters (despite some of the cliches and poor writing) so I played through to the end.

>>16811017

>I blame Adrenaline

It is adrenaline. Apparently the new 2020 version has fucked some people's graphics cards, I found them bitching about it yesterday on the AMD forums.

I've removed and reinstalled the drivers and it seems to be ok for now. At least until they update and fuck them up again.