/v/ - Video Games

>>16806650

I never got into MvM mode, I thought it was dumb that it cost money

>>16806744

It only costs money if you want hats.

>>16806745

Then why fucking play the mode?

That man staring at the scout cosplayer just completes the scene.

>>16806632

>>16806650

I remember some Valve insider jewtuber (Valve News Network I think his name was?) say that TF2's basically put on ice because they wanna work on Alyx and the devs aren't gonna say it outright because they don't wanna risk losing the playerbase.

I get tf2 was still well on it's way to doing something stupid, way back in gunmettle

But holy shit letting the Totally kuul Comp Peeple fuck around with the core of game finding was a catastrophic mistake

>it's still fucking impossible to find an arena game

>Literally the last non Halloween update introduced an arena map that's never played because Oops no arena lol

>>16807070

>L4D and TF2 getting the red-headed stepchild treatment

If anyone is curious how true this statement is:

>L4D2 has had gamebreaking bugs in several campaigns since fucking release

>even worse if you go to versus where you can pretty easily just jump out of the map on infected or teleport tanks around in some locations and totally break the game there are locations you can get smokers or boomers under the map so they can guarantee anyone who goes down dies (you can't pick somebody up if they're getting scratched, which you can do up through the map but you can't shoot down through it) and you can make an incap unclearable in the case of a smoker if the survivors can't shove them

>only updates it gets are fixes for server/client crashes, but it was although I'm not certain if it still is, it's been years possible to crash people's clients without anything more than knowing the right things to bind to a key or kick players on the other team by calling a kick vote while loading into a round

>TF2 is overrun by script kiddies spamming links to their dickscord to encourage the thousands of 12 year old children to install cheats because they keep getting shit on by people so much better than them in pubs

>can't even kick them, spectate them, or rely on admins on the server to do their job because the community is too retarded to use a server browser so valve gave them a shitty matchmaking system instead that more or less killed any community server outside of 24/7 hightower or 2fort, very rarely do those servers even run the vanilla game either, instead it's full of bullshit plugins and mods

>if you do find a server without cheating retards on it it will likely be a complete roll with the game over in 3 minutes or less since for some reason it's standard for the shitty matchmaking to sort groups of 6 players in a party onto one team and fill the other one with people who've played the game for 10 minutes since at this point those are usually the only two groups to exist, people who have never used a computer before and people who've been playing for years and joined a pubstomping teamstack group

>once this roll is over 50% of the time most of the players will leave since it scrambles the teams between rounds leading to either a totally dead server or one that will be dead for a few minutes before another group of 4-6 are sorted on to stack the teams to unplayable levels

>only updates to the game are to the localization files or adding in community created hats for valve to leech profit off of

>>16807092

Actually, the cheating "epidemic" is almost entirely quarantined to euro servers

Which makes sense since euros are shit at videogames

>>16807093

Fall on someone while firing the flamethrower and then whack them. Back scratcher and detonator's probably a more useful combo if you want to be doing melee

>>16807095

It's worse on euro servers to the point of one in nearly every game but it's still quite present in at least east coast NA, everything from retards running catbots/multibox and derivatives to walls and crithacking. It's more present on some maps/gamemodes than others and at least some of it is probably euros leaking through the system onto east coast NA servers though.

>>16806650

>Cold Stream debacle

the what now

>>16807101

>VAC has become such a joke that players with unusuals and australium 10K+ kill weapons are aimbotting and wallhacking now because they'll never get caught

>>16807211

VAC has always been a pretty significant joke, but previously with community servers it was harder to see it because admins banning people from specific servers (along with a certain amount of shared banlists between servers for repeat offenders) put a bandaid on the problem. Combine that with a different environment where games themselves were longer, maps lasted longer before changing, and autobalance was more likely to happen as a result, people had more motivation to quickly identify and remove a cheater before it became a problem and less motivation to try to win a single round by taking advantage of them. In addition, you could more easily identify if the person was actually cheating because you could just go to spectate for a bit and look around, and while valve was never going to do fuck all about it you could pretty easily record a demo and show an admin even if none were around at the time. Server plugins for votekicks were also far, far better than the built in votekick system in several ways, often making it easier to identify a player rather than getting fucked by the cheater changing names to match other actual players on the server (using the console helps with this but the playerbase is retarded and gets it wrong as often as right). They also worked a much greater percentage of the time since the valve implemented version usually has workarounds like reconnecting before the kick goes through and the kick just gets you off the server and doesn't delay you from joining another game to fuck that one as well.

Reminder that valve was retarded enough to ship the matchmaking cancer without even enabling voting to kick players and when it initially came out your only options when a cheater joined were to fuck off and re-queue in the barely working system or to sit there and enjoy getting buttfucked by a spinbot.

>>16807175

Are you retarded? Of course. You think people would literally only play the game for the hats? That'd be almost as retarded as believing that a game as dead as tf2 would be 90% idling bots

>>16807691

>Be Scout

>Get oneshot by a rocket you clearly dodged

>Be Solider

>Can't use splash damage to kill Scouts

The whole game is bullshit

Coldfront || Skial was the best

>>16807704

What's KYS? Is it like http://www.knowyourmeme.com?

>>16807700

>scatman john

>this is boomer music

I loved that shit back in the 2000s when I was a kid. Fags need to get better taste.

>>16807095

Worst coast NA shitter here. I've been playing for the past few days and consistently encountered aimbotters/exploiters every single day.

>>16807691

Shit man why did you think Competitive meta is (or at least had been) two soldiers two demos a scout and a medic?

Blast classes are (and have always been) retardedly overpowered. Hell two soldiers two demos is still miles better than 2 soldier 2 scouts and the only reason the VERY REAL COMPETITIVE VIABILITY OF TWO Scouts happened is because demoman is a Nega

>>16807745

Those are some shit prices and that medigun is a straight up ripoff

>>16807951

4/10 probably gets raped by scouts on a matchly basis

>>16808110

>Why did valve try to turn tf2 into a CSGO clone?

Because the guys working on CS:GO worked on gunmettle-present

>They added in skins and crates which just fucked

Out of the things fucked with cosmetics really aren't that much of a major fuck up, with the exception of when they accidentally made it so you could equip two miniguns as the heavy because weapons didn't have equip regions which resulted in the buffalo steak exploit

Really the thing that really fucked tf2 was letting the CS:GO fuckers completely cripple userhosting.

A couple weapons and a few hats lasted a LOT longer when you had the fucktillion odd maps and modes to play with them.

>>16809461

>>All of these nerfed on blast classes

Can somebody tell me again the story about the autistic tf2 soldier game designer on valve? He is probably the one of many reasons why TF2 balance is shit.

>>16810162

You mean Robin (the reason the sticky launcher took so goddamn long to get nerfed and also wanted a 6 shot grenade launcher)

Or the more likely b4nny not a dev but went to valve and whined about competitive not being taken seriously enough and getting cratered by sandman balls and ambassador headshots?

>>16810168

>>16810858

Robin hasn't been on the team since 2012.

>>16811021

You realize that wouldn't put him that far off from when the game last was meaningfully updated?

>>16811032

>hurrr what was love & war and meet your match

>>16811039

a mistake

>>16811040

PC gaming is mistake. Get used to it.

>>16811039

Both of those were terrible updates gameplay-wise.

When the fuck do you see anybody who isn't memeing using the Back Scatter or the Air Strike?

>>16811062

Back scatter is kinda good on payload and mvm

>>16811062

I enjoy the air strike, though I agree its still on the lower end. Not as bad as the liberty laucher though.

Speaking of love and war though, what about the tide turner? Isn't it still the most used shield even after the nerfs

>>16811094

Mvm I can't speak for, but its really not on payload. the accuracy reduction makes the weapon essentially pointless as stock would have probably gotten you that kill anyways, along with the insurance of 2 more shots.

>>16811100

It's more that you can instantly delete medics (that have recently taken chip damage) snipers engineers spies and other scouts if you're point blank behind someone.

It's like 142 damage per shot.

On damage spread enabled servers it gets even crazier since it can drop the 150 hp classes

>>16806632

fathers reaction: nice.

I just came back to the game after more than two years and it looks like every non-stock weapon has been nerfed into near uselessness

>>16812116

Naww, the tommy gun for the heavy is the best gun. Im sure there are a few more out there that are straight better than stock.

>>16812459

Back Scratcher for pyro is god tier, there's never a medic on pubs and if there is, he's going to be hanging back like a pussy instead of going balls deep into enemy territory like you (or he could also use the slower healing to build an uber off of you faster). Makes healthpacks give 25% extra so a medium kit puts you at full health nearly all the time.

>>16812856

People are able to make real money off of TF2 items.

>>16813760

I've heard Pre-Fortress 2 is good, but that mod is trying to recreate beta TF2, not classic TF2.

>>16812861

It's just a coincidence, all the classes were modeled before VA work began.

>>16813760

>I had with TF2 was micspamming shit like Dirty Potter and Moon Man on Saxton Hale servers, alas everyone disliked it.

Everyone loved it. Tf you talking about?

This game has become basically unplayable due to the aimbots.

>>16814446

On NA servers it isn't that big of a deal. 99% of the time people are aimbotting they aren't attempting to hide it and you can just kick them. Maybe they're more rampant in europiss land, though.

>>16814458

>On NA servers it isn't that big of a deal

The fuck are you talking about? I see them in at least 1/3rd of my games. Are you just trying to stir up /int/ shit?

>>16814458

I'm a Kiwi, I keep seeing aimbotting faggots constantly on the Aussie servers I play.

>99% of the time people are aimbotting they aren't attempting to hide it and you can just kick them.

You can't votekick people on the other team and teams rarely kick players that are helping them win.

>europiss land

>the world is only America and EU

That's not even a good insult.

>>16814471

Calm down autist, I'm just reporting what I've experienced. Some days I've got a lot of hackers, but most of the time it's only 1 every dozen games, if that.

>>16814532

>You can't votekick people on the other team and teams rarely kick players that are helping them win.

That hasn't been my experience. I usually just spam paste a message into chat and they kick them pretty quickly.

Words cannot express how much I absolutely hate everything about hitreg in TF2. I have 3k hours that mean nothing because I cannot predict where

targets will be to actually hit them. Sometimes I have to lead my shots, other times it feels like I have to shoot their shadow, and any other time

requires pixel perfect accuracy when the server has random spread on. I constantly get killed around corners, and get countered by players who are

looking the opposite direction until I've already been hit with a killing blow. I hate playing soldier for how many times I've been behind a pyro

who does a complete 180 turn+airblast on a rocket before even I can see it. Whether their ping is good or bad, it never seems like I'm "in-sync"

with what's happening in the game.

Although I've recently been playing on a class wars server for something fresh, and it is the dumbest shit because it has the RTD plugin and players

pay for "VIP" which gives an 80% chance of a positive effect, which devastates the other team since VIPs also teamstack, so often times one team

gets forced to stay in spawn because of how many effects have AOE damage with huge range and reduce 2k+ hp to nothing in seconds. Here's a few:

>toxic, player effect, large AOE vertical and horizontal, can kill heavy in seconds and even boss transformations

>toxic fog, targetable AOE, does more damage than toxic and lasts longer, can be cast on an area from any distance, also bosses have 1k+ hp

>toxic fog also persists if the player who cast it dies, unlike toxic

>meem, player transforms into the flat wooden target prop, on E they do large damage in an AOE around player, only couple second cooldown

>ghost, player transforms into ghost from halloween maps, deals contact damage but hitboxes often go through walls, effective in area denial

>most transformations last a full minute and have 1k+ hp, I've seen up to 3 meems a ghost, and toxic stop players at spawn for a whole match

>nuke, player effect, when timer reaches zero the player will explode and take out everyone on other team within a large radius

then you have sniper, minigun, and laser sentries from RTD, you can place the sniper and minigun turrects outside boundaries in a lot of spots, they

have longer range than vanilla sentries and you can get more than 1, laser sentries are tiny and easy to hide in corners on ANY surface

>>16815380

>I hate playing soldier for how many times I've been behind a pyro who does a complete 180 turn+airblast on a rocket before even I can see it. Whether their ping is good or bad, it never seems like I'm "in-sync" with what's happening in the game.

cl_interp 0

cl_interp_ratio 2

Enter those into the console or an autoexec config. The default network settings in TF2 are retarded and assume you have a shit connection so they give you 100ms of buffer to try and make the game (visually) smoother. Aside from that git gud

>>16815454

>git gud

that doesn't mean much when you gotta fuck with game variables just to be on a level playing field, no amount of gittin gud helps you melee another

player when you p

>>16815512

Whoops, fucked up my post.

Should have said >when you play demo man and can't hit a player with claidheamh mor while inside their hitbox, but the ham shank can one shot you

from a mile away, when you can clearly see the other player was nowhere near you

I knew about the cl_interp setting since I found out spy mains were abusing the shit out of it, letting them backstab from virtually any angle since

they bump into lagged out hitboxes and just have to stab at the air.

I'd like to know why there even is such a setting, I don't know of quake or other older games having that.

>>16815380

>has the RTD plugin and players pay for "VIP" which gives an 80% chance of a positive effect

It's shit I know "Fuck vips" Just play for fun on Delfy's server.

>>16815454

>git gud

Valve have changed and nerfed a lot of weapons in recent years.Don't forget the shitty casual servers killed community servers.

I started playing again on casul. I miss all the mario kart servers, they're all gone.

Even if the game is in a degraded state, it's still more fun than any other teamwork-based fps that I've ever tried. Maybe if Arma 3 was more stable and less expensive/controversial in turkey/abandoned to make way for the worse version of DayZ, then Arma 3 would be more fun.

>>16814532

How do you spot aimbotters and hackers? I only noticed one person abusing cl_interp 127, ran around as spy with 600 ping facestabbing everyone.

>>16814538

good lad

>>16815454

>source console commands don't work when using Steam's 'Launch Options' feature on GNU

>forced to re-enter commands every time game is launched

bugger

What is the cost to setup a TF2 servers?

>>16816414

>How do you spot aimbotters and hackers?

Aimbot: Aimlocking, hitting targets without aiming, unusual spinning.

Bots: Same path movement/behavior, always staying in the same spot.

>>16816428

>What is the cost to setup a TF2 servers?

Fuck me, What are the cost to setup a TF2 Server?

>>16815515

>letting them backstab from virtually any angle since they bump into lagged out hitboxes and just have to stab at the air.

>I'd like to know why there even is such a setting

Alright this is going to be a long one, but it's also necessary because I see people spout shit like this all the time because they fail to understand basic mechanics of how an online game actually functions. When you take a step back and examine the concept this won't be too hard to understand but most people don't do this for whatever reason.

When you play any online game you need to form a connection between player A and player B, there are two typical ways this is done; Peer to peer (player A connected directly to player B) or server based (Player A and Player B are both independently connected to a server). Due to inconvenient things like relativity and the limits of light speed, as well as mechanical and computational limitations it's impossible for A and B to view exactly the same thing simultaneously from wherever they are on the planet, meaning there will always be some level of separation between them. Typically we see this most often as "ping", the time (in milliseconds) it takes for messages to be sent from client to server. Usually this latency is around 50ms, or 1/20th of a second, but can in some cases can still reasonably go up to around 100ms or 1/10th of a second of delay, this sounds small but it's easily perceptible to a human, as anyone who has ever done something "frame perfect" in a video game (usually precise to 1/30th or 1/60th of a second) or played a game on a server with 100 ping, there's a very noticeable delay in input and you will have some concept of how big this latency actually is and the effect it can have on gameplay. This becomes most pronounced of course in effect when you take a look at mechanics like a backstab or a headshot, when the position of a head or the direction a person is facing can change completely in very short periods of time.

In a game like TF2 you're obviously looking at a server based game, and in a server based game you need validation of what the clients see and send because they're always out of sync with the server, on top of that, an obvious avenue for cheating would be to manipulate packets sent to the server to contain information that isn't actually legitimate. As a result, the server has to verify to a degree everything the client sends it when it comes to positions, movements, inputs, etc. and then needs to send snapshots of the same information coming from all the other clients connected to the server. To do this it separates what's happening into "ticks", similar to a "frame" in other games in many ways. TF2's servers have a standard tickrate of 66, meaning they take 66 snapshots of what's going on every second and send that to the clients connected, but this is configurable using cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate, which tell the server how many updates to send to you of where the other clients are and what they're doing, and how many ticks to send your information per second.

If, however, you only got a limited number of snapshots per second of what was going on, you would see very choppy results, you would see players snapping their view constantly, popping from one place to another if they moved very quickly, and so on. To avoid this they allow clients to predict and smooth what's going on between updates using a bit of buffer between what they're showing and the "live" game so that if, say, packets were dropped somewhere and you missed a few updates, it would smooth things between the updates you do get to give the illusion of smooth motion. This is interp, "interpolation".

There's a lot more to it than this, but I'll try to simplify it: The server maintains several snapshots of what's going on, not just one, stretching back long enough to account for various methods of lag compensation. When you send a message to the server, it accounts for these methods as best it can, and compares what you sent to the record it's keeping, verifying that a headshot, backstab, or other damaging effect would indeed be possible given the circumstances on the corresponding tick. When you "get backstabbed by simply stabbing the air" this in fact most likely did not happen, people do however sometimes look at the spy directly before they die from a backstab, why? Because shortly before you were looking away and when the spy stabbed and the server compared what your client sent, their client sent, and it's own view, adjusting for their ping, your ping… and so on, and found a backstab was indeed possible so it sends the message you got killed by a backstab to your client, ignoring any additional information sent on later ticks since you were already dead.

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>>16815515

>>16816469

These mechanics can be abused in various ways, both by cheating using external programs to modify information (anti-backstab cheats that manipulate your view as well as anti-aim related ones, this is also why "silent aim" cheats exist if you know what that is, where aimlock adjustments are so fast lower tickrate spectator views don't show it) and in "legitimate" ways by simply adjusting configuration values are concerns, but if it's done "legitimately" it causes as many problems as it solves since if you're playing with extremely high interp it essentially means a buffer of up to half a second you're behind what's actually going on. It can cause confusion for other players though and lead to them opening themselves up for backstabs since the spy player is actually in a very different position that it looks like they are which is a legitimate problem.

In summary, a certain amount of interpolation is necessary for the game to not look like a choppy mess, and more is necessary if your connection is shit and you're dropping packets like spaghetti at your last family gathering. Setting cl_interp to 0 doesn't actually remove all interpolation, it just sets it to whatever minimum value the server will allow. This is usually preferable unless you live in some 3rd world shithole and your internet is trash, if so, bump it up a little bit. If you want to get a better look at this yourself, use the console again and type in net_graph 1 or 2 to see net related settings and information, 0 will disable it again afterward.

If you have problems with needing to type this shit in all the time, go to the game files and into tf -> custom, make a folder named whatever bullshit you want, then inside it make a folder named cfg (alternatively you can just go to tf -> cfg and make this same file, but keeping it in the supported custom shit lets you keep track of what you've done so you can remove it later if you need to) Create a plain text file named autoexec.cfg and add whatever commands you want run when the game starts and it will do it for you. You can redo this at any time while playing by typing "exec autoexec" into the console. You can make settings for different classes this way too (scout.cfg, pyro.cfg, heavyweapons.cfg, you get the picture, this is good if you want pyro's airblast bound to something else for some reason but you still want demo's sticky det bound to M2). Some of these commands are restricted in various ways, some can't be changed while connected to a server, some servers will enforce limits on extreme values, and some will be locked to certain values unless sv_cheats is set to 1.

If you're wondering why this level of customization should exist and why commands like this are necessary still, congratulations, you're part of the reason valve decided to default the settings to retarded shit to account for morons that would complain about things they don't understand when players seem to teleport around on their shitty internet and why they added matchmaking because people were too retarded to use a server browser. The default settings are shit but they're shit because they expect anyone who knows better to fix them themselves to proper values.

No I do not expect you to read "all that shit" as written by "me" but I still felt the need to answer the question for anyone who actually cares

>>16816469

>When you "get backstabbed by simply stabbing the air" this in fact most likely did not happen, people do however sometimes look at the spy directly before they die from a backstab, why? Because shortly before you were looking away and when the spy stabbed and the server compared what your client sent

This is hardly the cause for facebstabbing or air stabbing. Facestabbing is almost always perceived by both clients. It can't be equated to something like shooting someone who on their client was already behind the wall but on yours was still slightly in your line of sight. I constantly stab nothing but air or someones face and get backstabs I had no right getting. Backstabs have insane leeway mechanics that are purposefully implemented to make the class more playable and powerful, because otherwise hitting them would be too difficult to make it a viable class choice.

>>16816481

>This is hardly the cause for facebstabbing or air stabbing. Facestabbing is almost always perceived by both clients

Yes it is possible for both clients to see a "facestab" but quite rarely on the same specific stab. At the ends of the day the reason for "facestabs" is because on the server at the time the ticks came together, a stab was possible.

>Backstabs have insane leeway mechanics that are purposefully implemented to make the class more playable and powerful, because otherwise hitting them would be too difficult to make it a viable class choice.

Partially true but also false. The leeway on backstabs is actually quite large yes, which is another reason people claim "facestab" all the time. This is also because spy would be basically worthless if you made it significantly smaller since people could stand against walls and make him totally worthless (which they already can to an extent). The conditions for a backstab however do involve comparing the view of both players as well as their positions however and a backstab cannot occur unless the player is behind and facing in a similar direction to the player who got stabbed. Typically manipulating players to look in specific directions by taking advantage of the desync between clients and the server is also a common thing spies do, this is not limited to TF2 and is also not limited to spy in TF2, taking advantage of lag compensation is no different than taking advantage of shooting people's feet on soldier or using the delay between airblasts to reflect rockets being shot as fast as possible, it's using the mechanics of the game to your advantage as they exist, and many are designed intentionally to work that way for the sake of making classes viable or useful.

>>16816469

I appreciate your dedication with the answer but I guess more specifically I meant why should such a variable be accessible to user, not why it is

necessary to have it, but you answered that as well in so many words.

>>16816665

Because realistically it wasn't plausible to estimate any and all scenarios of a user's connection.

We're talking about a game (multiplayer networking system) designed to be played even over dialup. Hell the fucked up bullshit with spies is really only a thing since servers are no longer actively moderated.

On an unrelated note, is anyone else getting captchas longer than the actual text field?

This sounds pretty autistic but it worked out well, so I might aswell blogpost about it

TF2 taught me a rather important thing about FPS games in general. Neither the console settings I actually never found out about the interp setting until last year nor good aim is really essential, if you simply learn to outsmart your enemies and predict what they do next you make up in almost every other area. At the pinnacle of my TF2 time before I quit, I commonly cleaned up on pubs & community servers alike as scout or spy just because I knew how the different players behaved and simply countered their specific playstyles while also acting almost unpredictable on my own. Players who can do the same to you are actually incredibly rare and most will always stick to their patterns like NPCs, unironically

For example those (usually lime coloured) scouts who would constantly zigzag in a way that made it seemingly impossible to hit them normally because of the shitty hitboxes, who also mopped the floor with your team for the same reason. After taking the shorter stick against those in the first 2-3 encounters I'd often get a good feeling in what exact moment they're going to switch directions and started firing where they would be in a short moment I'd also have to assume that they were a bit further than their playermodels because of the ping.

After matching up my target spots with their movements I'd easily win 4 of 5 future encounters just because I always knew where they'd be in a moment while moving so erratically on my own that they couldn't effectively counter it themselves.

If you learn to exploit several enemy players weaknesses & inability to adapt on their own you can take on or at the very least heavily delay multiple other players simultanously even if they're normally much more skilled than yourself.

That way you can also passively turn the tide as a spy without even killing many players. If you learn to use your cloak right you can easily coax multiple enemy players behind the frontline into wasting time to hunt you down. You might be be a useless spy when you barely get any kills for prioritising survival, but so are the 3-4 enemy players that waste precious minutes in spychecking their entire base while their team slowly loses ground on the front because they're simply underpopulated.

>>16817783

I have to say this right now but an ai buddy as a consumer product would be very successful. Nevermind sex shit, people would pay to have a virtual friend that isn't fucking retarded.

>>16817646

Online Source games are based on netcode from 2004, that's probably the biggest reason Valve has forgone Source for Source 2. It's easier to start again than reworking it all.

>>16818143

Source 2 isn't made from scratch, it's just Source with new bits patched in over the top of old bits.

>>16818151

>it's just Source with new bits patched in over the top of old bits.

That's not how engine overhauls work anon

In the recent AMA the HL:A team did they mentioned that all the old tools are now incompatible with Source 2, meaning the core engine logic has been changed.

If we look at games like Fallout 4, even its maps and weapons load in Morrowind's old editing tools. That's because despite an engine upgrade in 2011, Gamebryo's backend wasn't changed much.

>>16807095

>>16807101

I don't know why you guys think it's just euros, it's not like script kiddies are exclusive to the EU.

>>16829591

As I said it's worse on EU servers, partly because of a couple of specific dumbfuck faggots that have made it their life to run bots to ruin games and cheat constantly. As I said though NA servers still have tons of cheating issues, just only slightly less widespread.

>>16817765

>suicide

>be on your merry hacking way again

>>16816430

Can your computer run tf2 in text mode?

Does your Isp allow you to open your ports?

Congratulations, you can run a tf2 server.

Depending on your cpu and available ram you may be able to run both a client and dedicated server on the same computer.

>>16806741

>But don't worry, we have the staff and resources to make an ENTIRELY NEW GAME that is just a generic cardgame that flops in the first fucking month.

and a fucking VR First Person Shooter

>>16807070

Speaking of BitchTyts, he did a video on Valve's Glassdoor reviews, or some shit like that, and i distinctly remember one of the reviews mention something about the older teams being toxic and they needed to be starved of developers. Sounds like a real snowflake, yeah? Well, (((Coincidentally,))) nobody seems to want to work on Team Fortress 2.

>>16829648

You need a brain for that, kiddos using cheats fail this test as proven by the video.

>>16807093

I will never forgive Valve for completely ruining Pyro.

>>16829981

BUT gUISe if pyro is GOOD how will the game Be COMpetitIVE

>>16807723

>even more stupid Super Mario 64 deaths

>>16829657

>Does your Isp allow you to open your ports?

Not him, but fuck. Blocking customers away from their own router settings should be illegal.

>>16830076

To be fair, a lot of the time, it's just the included hardware is fucking shit. My isp technically doesn't block forwarding ports, but the OS on the PoE/router they included is fucking garbage and you can't set up a DMZ and handle ports on a not retarded router.

>>16829657

>Does your Isp allow you to open your ports?

Well shit.

>>16830076

>>16830086

Also, while potentially it could be skirted with the excuse of "I didn't intentionally prevent them from using the internet connection that was paid for, it's just company hardware" I'm pretty sure it would be entirely illegal, but that's the case with a lot of tech related shit. Most of it is frankly illegal, it's just that nobody gives enough of a shit to sue.

Okay

Guys

Guys listen

Fempyro

>>16830909

>not superior femscout

Had the model and the voice pack made by that one chick for the longest time, until volvo changed the sv_pure setting on all their servers

the r34 is also really good

>>16806745

MVM drops killstreak kits and weapon skins not hats retard

>>16831263

Technically mvm have hat too.

>>16830182

The time for making a VR exclusive game was back when they fucking released their fucking headset, if not much sooner, and out of everything they choose Half Life, a fucking game that's been in development hell longer than Duke Nukem Forever, a game that is 100%Guaran-fucking-teed to disappoint because the hype has been so long, people are either not going to care about it at all or they're going to be disappointed because their retarded asses waited 14 years for it.

>>16831263

>MVM drops killstreak kits and weapon skins not hats retard

Exclusive MVM Hats do drop, it's just not a 100% guarantee. They also look like shit, one of them is just a metal version of soldiers helmet, for example

>>16831316

>A group of community people are trying to make their own TF2 updates with the backing of Tyler McThiccer, but they have Trannies so of course they're censoring offensive/nsfws chat, sprays, and decals.

This sounds an awful lot like that one game that link loving faggot from here used to host servers on.

>>16831326

Nah it's not a game, it's just a community server network that uses server plugins to have custom weapons and cosmetics and shit.

>>16831316

>but they have Trannies so of course they're censoring offensive/nsfws chat, sprays, and decals.

Ignore there are better plugins and free to download.

>>16831316

God damn it all to hell. You know what, where can I find resources on modding tf2? Seems like if you want

anything done right it means doing it yourself, and I'm sick of all the fun being sucked out of everything.

>>16831316

God damn it all to hell. You know what, where can I find resources for modding tf2? Seems like if you want

anything done right you gotta do it yourself, and I'm sick of the fun being sucked out of everything.

>>16831380

>where can I find resources for modding tf2?

https://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?mod=5&search=1

>Seems like if you want anything done right it means doing it yourself, and I'm sick of all the fun being sucked out of everything.

Welcome in the modern gaming world. Where game characters trash talking each other but you aren't allowed.

>>16831384

Honestly if I were you, I'd just try and do a sourcemod instead of server plugins. If you really know your C++, you can make a version of TF2 that doesn't run like fucking shit and still has updates.

>>16831316

Goddamn am I sick of trannies and furries

>>16835044

No it's them pushing their shit everywhere and invading everything, similar to trannies that I'm sick of

>>16835061

You are aware furries were around in the Beta for tf2, right.

>>16832597

>what is it with people talking about valve and vr and being fucking retarded?

Fox and grapes

>>16835081

Not sure what's that got to do with what I said. I know there are valid criticisms for vr (like no gaems), but I see a lot of people saying retarded shit (like "vr is dead") all the time. I assume it's because they can't afford vr. That was my only point.

>>16835093

Mostly from experience, the "VR is Dead" thing is from people who want Valve to do more traditional stuff, or finally give out the Source 2 SDK.

Hell, if you want to work with Source 2, I'm pretty sure the only option is the fucking NIGHTMARE of reverse engineering sObjects in SteamHome. Not to mention the all hands on deck nature of HL:A has also fucked with other things going on at Valve, incidentally, SteamVR on linux, as from what I've heard linux is down to like, 1 dude, and they pulled the other 4 to work on HL:A.

>>16835157

It's like you people never tried to snipe in QTF with a 400 ping. I guess I could've played soldier or something, yeah.

The only time heavy was ever viable was when his chocolate gave him absurd max health.

>>16835528

Considering this actually came during a pretty close timeframe to the meme card game and a general surge of activity, i'd argue HLA is just a sign that they're going to do games consistently for a bit.

Not an exception, but a sign of an era. Of course said era is just trying to reinvigorate some markets and stabilize a new one.

Valve never really made that many games anyway? They just hired people other peoples mods or a different company to do it nine times out of ten basically right after HL was a success anyway.

>>16835528

>The guy responsible for motion blur leaves valve

>this is a bad thing

Goddamn the cult retard shit going on with people leaving valve is fucking stupid.

>>16835627

>Considering this actually came during a pretty close timeframe to the meme card game and a general surge of activity, i'd argue HLA is just a sign that they're going to do games consistently for a bit.

I'm still waiting for the 3 vr games they apparently teased years ago. as for the rest, iirc artifact was a pet project by gabe so you got people working on it to kiss his ass. it's true that valve simply likes to buy mod teams (which isn't a bad thing), but they care less and less about making games, and like I said even if they do their environment is utter poison for it

>>16835734

Alyx was the flagship title mentioned i'm pretty sure, expect the other two later as it was even promoted that way i'm pretty sure.or at least more code from them to leak, because Valve always leaks.

Of course hints and not a direct announcement being lots of years before release isn't a odd occurrence really.

>>16832597

>you mean the headset that sold like hotcakes

Who in the fuck looks at 100k units in a fiscal quarter and thinks that's selling well.

>and still takes month to ship if you can even order it now?

Doesn't mean anything other than valve is lazy, which we all know already.

>ffs people are more interested in the modding possibilities than how good a game it will be.

>Being excited for tools to an outdated engine not even the company that made them wants to use

Pathetic.

>l4d vr when there's already way to much fucking zombieshit?

>Zombie games are oversaturated, but not First Person Shooters themselves

>Original ips made to take advantage of the new hardware are too much to expect

I mean, it is, but it's sad to see that even the shill admits it.

>>16835785

>Of course hints and not a direct announcement being lots of years before release isn't a odd occurrence really.

even with valve time we should have at least some info, especially if valve always leaks as you claim.

probably more likely they canned the rest because no one wanted to work on them anymore or didn't get anything out of it.

>>16835070

I still want them gone, never have they been wanted

>>16836360

We did have quite a few leaks in regards to the VR projects for a bit, what it showed is all three were tech demos around the hint really.

It wouldn't be a shock if such things got canned really, or are left in a unpresentable state currently with little work being put in.

Generally leaks come with something big, if the other projects are being actively worked on they'll show up again in some random updates codeor a game but same thing really.

Even Alyx was a pretty bland project for a while, it was only due to outside influence that it wasn't bland as shit; so i have to wonder if it wouldn't have been in limbo as well if it wasn't for that.

Well they had to shit out something so probably not.

Is this the thread were we whine about TF2 being bad now and reminisce now the old TF2 was great and a masterpiece.

>>16837104

This but unironically

A couple nights ago I hopped into a random match to kill some time and was immediately met with someone spamming "I hate black people nigger" in the chat then killed by an aimbotting sniper

>>16837206

Welcome to modern TF2

>>16837206

Sounds good to me.

>>16837946

Well, that's a little inaccurate with what the issue was, the problem was with them fucking user servers to death, and THEN leaving tf2 totally unmoderated.

>5gorge

>game is taking fucking forever, both teams are equally matched

>they win first

>we eventually come back to win another

>want the game to be over already, have shit to do

>tell everyone on team to go scout

>90% of the team does

>game starts

>release the mosquitos

>cap mid at 12x rate (I know it caps at 3 but other team flipped out when they realized what was going on)

>spread out at their second point, they can't hit all of us, we whittle away at them, cap second

>get to final, other team is dead with no survivors

>cap instantly, win game

Boston rise up

>>16837206

>>16837946

wait until you see that occasionally someone will hack the chat on all servers so that nobody can send messages but it keeps spamming a preset phrase whenever you join a game

I've seen it used by some hacker group and some twitch nigger so far

>>16838051

Just mute them, retard. Chat blanking only works because everyone is too retarded to use the mute function

>>16838347

Picture a AAA dev torn between making a game that's long-lived enough that the kids he hasn't even conceived yet might grow up and play it, and being leaned on by management to have a game be just good enough to be obsolete in time for the game after it to come along. I don't think there was a point in my life where I was playing a multiplayer game and expected that more than ten years later the servers would still be running. Is this some kind of fantastic achievement, or have we hit a kind of sandpit of stagnation in multiplayer gaming? I mean, this isn't a few dorks who stand up an Action Quake server once a month. Lots of folks still play this. Then again, having said all that, I still haven't really come to grips with the fact that I haven't played a multiplayer FPS in over three years.

>>16838362

>Is this some kind of fantastic achievement, or have we hit a kind of sandpit of stagnation in multiplayer gaming?

both

>>16838051

>cap mid at 12x rate (I know it caps at 3)

It doesn't actually, the payload cart maxes at 3x capture rate but control points don't, they just get diminishing returns with each additional player. 1x capture rate is the base at 100%, 2x actually caps at 150% of the normal rate, 3x is about 183%, 4x is 208% and so on, so a control point that takes 15 seconds to cap with one player would be capped in 10 seconds by a single scout.

If you're wondering where these numbers come from, it works like this:

1x capture = 1

2x = 1 + 1/2

3x = 1 + 1/2 + 1/3

So a 12x rate would actually be around 310% rate of capture.

>wait until you see that occasionally someone will hack the chat on all servers so that nobody can send messages but it keeps spamming a preset phrase whenever you join a game

What they're doing is setting up a script to spam the chat with a long series of empty messages, causing the window to show nothing but what's at the end of the message, sometimes it's blank, sometimes it just calls everyone on the server a faggot. This is done to make it more difficult to communicate and kick the cheater and to generally be a cunt and annoy people but also reveals them if you're smart enough to just open the chat window and scroll up until you see their name. Muting the player through the ingame menu will also remove this chat spam if you want to get rid of it.

>>16815454

The only things those change are:

>Soldier's splash damage goes from completely unpredictable to you can be 75% certain things will work out

>Relearn Sniper. The game almost pull the enemy towards your crosshair and is fucky as all hell

>Show how utterly broken Scout is from a technical standpoint with a terrible shitbox and even worse shitreg

I've tried multiple config mods and it does not change the fact that Source is an outdated turd of an engine. That and TF2's server frequency and the fact Valve somehow made the game run worse than what it did a decade ago

>>16839235

Points actually cap out at x5 unless otherwise specified by the gameinfo in the bsp.

We should add a fourth slot for the heavy, it’ll be great to see him using a sandvich and a shotgun. There’s no reason to not do that beyond valve’s laziness

>>16844699

I get shotguns are kinda fucked for heavy over things like the Tomislav and any sandvich, but I don't think making it fourth slot would really help all that much

>>16846080

If you can't play tf2 without spamming like a braindead retard and spamming NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER in chat maybe things are better off without you

>>16846177

I hate retards like you that always have these "it's all black and white" takes like this. I don't go around TF2 servers screeching "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" in chat, nor do the grand majority of its playerbase from here or on Steam itself. Plus, that's not even remotely fucking close to the point either. *OCCASIONALLY* screeching "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" or, say, having an offensive spray that gets reactions out of people, or micspamming every once and a while for shits and giggles can be fun. Being on the receiving end of all that can be fun too every once and a while.

That, and "hate speech" regulations can be used as a means of censorship as well.

>>16846204

>censorship

Don't tell me you're one of those autists lolbergs who think things like criminalizing CP is censorship, do you?

>>16846267

"muh hate speech" =/= child porn you autist.

>>16846267

CP requires harming children in its production. "Hate Speech" may hurt someone's feelings. The two are not equivalent.

>>16806632

So TF2 vintage is trash made by furrys, correct?

Is there no way of getting the og tf2 experience?

>>16848361

The "OG tf2 experience" you're looking for doesn't really exist, especially if you are looking at a historical freeze of tf2 with NO USER CONTENT.

>>16848368

I'm more looking for a tf2 experience that is better than what we have now

>>16848398

Closest you're going to get is either

A.) firing up a server of your own and gathering a fantasy of faggots to populate it

B.)finding someone who did A

Any of you noticed the absurd amount of bots lately?

>bots that are all named "hoovy", have aimbot, play as only heavy and spam chat with discuck-tier faggot phrases

>Preachbot, name is just a youtube link, no avatar, immediately starts micspamming a sermon by what sounds like Pastor Andersen and never stops

with volvo abandoning the game it will only get worse from here

>>16849463

You're probably in euro, but all the same, I've heard automated checks were falling apart.

>>16849531

i'm a burger, i usually see at least one of those once every day

>>16849542

From what I've heard there's specifically like

4 dudes in germany running a tfbot net.

>>16808168

>How would you fix Soldier/Demoman?

Halve their damage, double their range. THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

It lets them keep their mobility, ensures they are great at attacking corners and weird angles (even more so with higher splash damage) and puts them squarely in the niche they should have always been, good against players grouped together, without having to compete with single target burst damage (Scout, Sniper, Spy) since that wouldn't be their role anymore.

Or to put it with some dumb math, if a Scout and a Soldier shoot someone at point blank with their main weapon, the Scout should do around twice as much damage as the Soldier does.

But because of the blast damage, if there's 2 targets, the Soldier does just as much damage and if there's 3, he out-damages the Scout.

So if you want to take on a single target, Sniper, Scout or Spy are the best options. But if you want to damage a Medic\Heavy or a Sniper Nest or keep pressure on a control point, blast damage is what you need.

They also make those 2 classes far more noob friendly (another intended function for the jack of all trades classes) by making it easier to contribute to the game without exposing yourself too much or getting kills by sheer luck.

>>16849463

Yeah I've encountered the preachbot guy. Seems like he has a dozen or so accounts running. Also some medic heal bots called andrey. The game is in such a sorry state, bots every match, if someone isn't outright cheating they turn on their cheats the second you get a couple headshots on them (always a tranny weeb larping as a girl of course). Competitive scene completely dead, hit reg is a fucking mess. Hard to keep playing no matter how fun it can be at times.

>>16849463

That's what happens when the developers abandon a game for a shitty VR Prequel of HL 1.5 that nobody asked and refusing to update that outdated shitty anti-cheating engine called VAC as time has shown how outdated it is as technology grows and find easier ways to get around it. At this point they do it on purpose as they won't do shit about it unless it hurts them financially like the great crate depression of last year where everyone was getting unusuals for free from a specific crate.

>>16851688

>That's what happens when the developers abandon a game for a shitty VR Prequel of HL 1.5 that nobody asked and refusing to update that outdated shitty anti-cheating engine called VAC as time has shown how outdated it is as technology grows and find easier ways to get around it.

Literally none of that has to do with why there are so many more cheaters now compared to earlier in tf2's lifespan

>>16849463

>Pastor Andersen

he's a meme outside of 8chan?

>>16851763

much like 4chan shouldn't have been surprised about seeing its memes out in the wild, neither should 8chan, both are larger than you'd think.

>>16851771

>race mixer

Not very blessed if you ask me.

>>16808110

Play the game on PS3/X360. It's literally the only way to play the game online without any of the major updates. Good ol' vanilla 2007 TF2, as the original TF team intended. Yes, there are still people playing this game on console, and they like it precisely for that reason.

>>16853657

It works up until the demo pops two stickies under you rocketing you half the way across the map and cratering you while your medic desperately attempts to make friends with everyone left.

>>16853971

It can also backfire spectacularly and bring the pyro closer to you/your team.

>>16853981

We're talking a phlog pyro waddling slowly towards your team, honestly doubting he'd have the sense to

1. Put himself in front of the stickies before they detonate

2. Not touch W or S killing any and all redirectible momentum from the stickies

3. Still be ubered when he lands

Has the Ambassador nerf been reverted yet?

>>16854610

>As a company full of millionaires Valve might actually be greedier than EA, however they are way more competent and manipulative.

This.

Just a reminder that Valve literally invented both lootboxes (TF2) and the battlepass (CS:GO), but no one else used them for a while because Valve is a private company so the astronomical amount of money they made from it was a company secret.

Once Blizzard and Epic Games tried the same manipulative tactics, everyone saw for themselves how much ez money they could get from this which is why we are where we are today. (See: EA Battlefront II)

To be completely fair Valve’s lootbox system is still the least manipulative/greedy of the bunch just from the fact you can freely trade your prizes with other users or even sell it for real money on third party sites. Also no Pay 2 Win bullshit.

>>16854642

Are you shit posting? Because you're wrong on both of those things you're claiming Valve invented

>>16854642

>Just a reminder that Valve literally invented both lootboxes

Not true, lootboxes first came from Korean games a good few years before TF2.

>>16854642

an economy based on Team Spirit hat with Flaming particle effect, Max's severed head, earbuds and Bill's hat is unironically more stable and better than whatever the federal reserve does.

>>16871399

That was only for a couple years after Mannconomy, then the bunch of jews that own the trading sites decided to artificially inflate the price of keys.

>>16871391

>Wanting social interaction from TF2 in CY+5

Really?