/v/ - Video Games

>>16802271

>>16802272

Can't relate since i live in a 3rd world with 150kb/s data cap

Paying for mods is okay as long as it's not the companies who made the games making the money.

t. Retards who bitched at Bethesda but give $50 a month to Kaze Emanuar and other Patreon modders.

>>16802272

This is like those shitty free file sharing sites, you know the ones. I use one because it has a massive archive of several hundred 360 ISOs, but that's about it.

>>16802274

>This is like those shitty free file sharing sites

yeah, especially with my last post about the wait time. they've gone full merchant

next they're going to start injecting malware and bloat to the archives like sourceforge did when that company bought them back in the day

>>16802281

>Nexus Mod Manager was completely replaced by the cock and ball torture device that is Vortex

i actually like it more now. however, the transition to vortex was indeed cock and ball torture as it fucked up my entire mod library and i had to download and reinstalled every single one because the faggot developers of the software don't know how to do conversions

>>16802271

I remember signing up a while ago and the free option was obscured somewhat and experienced a cap on downloads. Haven't used it for a while but I guess they're getting more in your face about "upgrading" now.

>>16802274

>Paying for mods is okay

neck yourself

This has been standard for a long time, they're just more annoying now. Changing to being more annoying about it may be an ill omen, though.

why should i pay for something that should be free let alone sign up for it?

>>16802274

Donations are not the same thing as a paywall you fucking retard

>>16802326

Guy is fucking legendary at putting X game in Y game with no second thought and making infinitely sized Mario stages that require you to walk for twenty seconds through a flat plane until you get to a few jumps, then walk for a minute more for the next platforming section. Such fucking quality. Every single thing he's done is a matter of showing off, not making something actually enjoyable. The only times he steps away from that are the meme hacks he makes for the desperate redditors paying him $500 or however much on Patreon, like Waluigi's Taco Stand. I mean, at least that was somewhat original, took a second of thought.

>>16802334

Consider reading past the first five words.

>>16802348

>Consider reading past the first five words.

consider using your brain. as soon as you bring money into the mix it turns to shit. donations work because it's voluntary, but even that can be iffy

what's next, patreon for tools and modding guides?

>>16802347

I assume he forgot to greentext there.

anyway, patreon is always shit even when used for donations

>>16802281

Are you that anon that brings up CBT in the most random of threads back in the bunker?

>>16802400

>What are ads?

>What are donations?

Keep digging that hole

>>16802400

>worship capitalism

There's one board that does that, the rest have varying degrees of qualms against it.

>>16802273

I feel you anon. Our speeds got upgraded to 3.5Mb/s over the couple last years and I hope you get the same feeling as I did. Hang in there, anon.

Modder donations are cancer and anyone arguing otherwise is suffering from terminal brain damage. The most popular mods end up being collaborations, packs, or built with assets and techniques yanked from other mods. The people who ACTUALLY pioneered that content never see a goddamn cent of it.

Hell, look at the constant slav-drama that is OpenXcom.

>Most popular mod is XPiratez

>Pan handles for donations

>Almost all of the content is directly ripped from other games or taken from other mods

>Not even currently up for download because most of the maps were made from a guy's work who just found out the mod was getting donations with his works and he told him he can't

>Given the option of not getting his ~$5 monthly donations, XPiratez 'creator' tells the guy to fuck off and encourages more assholery

Mod donations are for fools. It works out for nobody involved and attracts everybody who insists it's the answer to combating paid mods. Too many people refuse to admit both are shit because they are convinced that you have to pick between one of them.

>>16802386

>I assume he forgot to greentext there.

No, I think you're just functionally retarded and made multiple posts out of frustration because you don't understand what the t. means.

>>16802277

>I never used Nexus because I barely play Bethcancer.

This is the bright side for most people. The overwhelming majority of mods on the Nexus are related to shit games made by Bethesda. Very few good games have valuable mods distributed solely on the Nexus.

>nexusmods

>downloading mods

>literally just filesharing like Teknik, AnonFile, Bayfiles, Catbox, etc would do.

I don't get why anyone would pay for this when there are dozens of other filehosts that won't add caps and bottlenecks.

>>16802271

>now

I remember some faggot on here telling me I was paranoid for thinking they would do this shit because they had the download completely locked behind needing an accou_nt for no fucking reason.

>>16802488

I don't like it either, but you faggots are slow on the ball. It's been there since at least 2009. It's to "support the site". Probably because they know most people use ad blockers, and knew so even back then. Bandwidth and storage aren't cheap, but I don't know how much it actually costs them. Keeping the costs opaque makes it easier to guilt trip/beg for more donations if they "need" it. However, they do give reasons for what they do: http://archive.ph/2CHA0

Also, having to wait 5 seconds for a download has been there for a long time, too. Years now, but I've been using their mod manager to download mods instead (letting it do its thing while I go do whatever the fuck). Vortex was a clusterfuck though, I grant that, and their mod managers aren't worth shit for oblivion or morrowind (or for FO3 for anyone who wants to play that still, rather than tale of two wastelands).

>>16802486

>why do content creators want their content to be found by people

Question for the ages.

I've always hated nexus mods, with their bullshit "make an account with us to download mods uwu" bullshit

Why the fuck do so many people use 'em when shit like gamebanana exists.

>>16802488

Despite how much companies want it to be a thing, it's actually totally illegal for them to stop you from modding their game after you bought it.

Hell even shit like the dmca isn't super enforcible because it violates existing consumer protection laws.

The only thing Potentially that could be a legal issue is redistribution of assets created by another company.

>>16802528

>it's actually totally illegal for them to stop you from cheating in their game after you bought it.

> it's actually totally illegal for them to stop you from copying and tampering their game after you bought it.

It's not, retard, there is a thing called licensing, a digital/intellectual product is not a physical product. You can't even blast music "THat yOU oWn" in a bar.

Stop being so amerimutt with this retarded concept of "muh property", there is not even a DVD for you to OwN in the first place in current year for this retard amerimutt argument to follow, it's only a fucking serial code that allow you to play if you follow certain terms.

>>16802534

Licensing a product to an end user is also not really legal if it doesn't contain a strict defined period of which the license is intended.

What you are describing is negligible in difference to a fraudulent transaction.

Also FYI, ALL licenses presented after the point of sale are invalid.

>>16802542

Ok retard. Saying "negligible in difference" instead of "equal" will erase all IP courts, IP law firms and all IP rights.

Checkmate for me, I lost.

>>16802271

3rd image isn't new. Nexusmods account creation always looked somewhat like that.

>>16802272

Now that is new.

>>16802281

Last time I checked Nexus Mod Manager still worked.

Has that changed?

>>16802400

>for free

They get more than enough ad revenue. The whole site is filled with banners top, left, right and center.

The adblock users only make up 25%, so saying ad revenue is not a thing anymore is just plain retarded.

And membership was always a thing.

>>16802528

This.

>>16802542

Can you go more into detail? That is actually quite interesting.

>>16802277

People reuploaded all SWBF2 mods to Nexusmods. There are barely any on ModDB. So if you need some rare maps, you have to go there.

Someone should make a Nexus mirror next before that goes down and not after.

>>16802281

>>16802283

Nexus Mod Manager fucking SUCKED. It was mindbogglingly retarded with bullshit like injecting al the mods into the games data folder and forcing you to have to install them all in a certain order or shit would get right fucked.

>>16802391

Mod organizer is so much better it's honestly pathetic to see regards use something else. It's true vortex isn't as bad but why would anyone but a dumb fuck choose mediocrity over something that works extremely well.

>>16802570

Retards*. Fuck.

>>16802534

Literally not what was said fagola

>>16802564

While it's kind of obtuse to think about: transactions are agreements and presentation of terms that modify what was agreed to in the transaction, eg "Oh hey by the by when we told you we sold you x we didn't actually sell you x, and you agreed to this contract that was not presented to you in the previous transaction" thereby violating the terms of the initial transaction which necessarily renders the second agreement void as it violates the terms of the transactional agreement. This has mostly floated by on civil grounds as terms commonly placed in these agreements are not legally enforcible by a federal or state entity, however, it is very quickly wearing out it's ability to coast on that and it's being reflected by a lot of these pieces of software transitioning into actual services with clearly defined parameters and why shit like Adobe is DESPERATELY trying to bury their old software catalog.

>>16802600

It gets way less complicated when you consider that agreements are agreed to by both parties and are not one directional.

>>16802600

>being reflected by a lot of these pieces of software transitioning into actual services with clearly defined parameters

>trying to bury their old software catalog

So the old software counts as product and the new as "service" legally?

How can software brought to you by your own home computer even be a service?

>>16802603

By providing strict terms for how long you are to use the software you are leasing at point of sale of the service.

>>16802604

But they aren't doing that for Windows 10. So that is still "sold", right?

>>16802613

Short answer, yes.

>>16802617

Does Steam treat it's games as a licensed service of a sold product out of interest?

>>16802271

>Now

>Nexus mods

>only now jewish

Nexus was always shit due to negative criticism on some fruitcake's mod getting you baned. It's a total hugbox that actively encourages you to be a grab and run freeloader who doesn't interact with the modding community by having draconian rules and banhappy mods.

I think the only reason people use that website is because it's less shit than Steaming Turdshop, not because it's actually good.

By the way, downloads from the nexus have been capped at 2mb/s forever for standard users.

>>16802281

>uses a 'mod manager'

>not just manually adding mods

Get back to preschool kiddo.

>>16802619

It's more of a weird situation since technically it's beyond the scope of Valve to dictate agreements between you hand the developer of the software as a market entity.

More that they have the authority to terminate their services to you, than an agreement you have with the company that sold their software to you through them.

Ex: you can't use steam to download your games AGAIN but any you had already downloaded it's technically not up to them on whether you continue to use them or not.

>>16802627

Isn't the game software tied to Steam in such a way that makes it act as a form of DRM? Can they not use that to deny access to the games?

>>16802631

If we are talking literally they could, however that could violate your agreement with the developer. However it also stands to say that Steam drm is deliberately easy to crack by design.

>>16802534

>m-muh licensing

say (((just licensed not sold))) as much as you like, but it won't change the fact that it's a sale (of a copy, not the copyright of the software). publishers don't have the right to break into your home and confiscate your discs/hard drives. And if you want to get technical, games are just sequences of 1's and 0's and as you probably know, numbers don't have owners.

>it's only a fucking serial code

no it's not. they give you the game assets and related data. you don't need any license to use software.

>allow you to play if you follow certain terms.

that would apply to services (e.g. PSN, XBL, Steam), which is why games are incresaingly being turned into services (a la ASSFAGGOTS, or into SaaSS), so that they can control everything and strip access to your games scot-free.

>>16802542

Don't mix contracts (e.g. EULAs) and software licenses (e.g. BSD, MIT, GPL). Lawyers scumbags treat both terms as synonymous which pisses me off to no end.

Licenses are basically permission; a rightsholder granting you the ability to do something that's normally forbidden by copyright law (e.g. distribution, reproduction, modification). You can use software without a license (copyright doesn't cover use of media/software). This is why you can use GPL software even if you don't accept the license.

(((EULAs))) on the other hand, are contracts (((they))) foist upon end users to erode consumer rights. As you said, EULAs are usually bogus because they're presented after one purchases the game, and sometimes it's possible to install/use software without seeing any EULAs.

>FYI, ALL licenses presented after the point of sale are invalid.

Licenses aren't bogus, the onus is on you to read them before doing anything. EULAs, though, generally are bullshit, but there are a few cases of EULAs being upheld.

>>16802636

Thanks for the info.

>>16802637

>Licenses aren't bogus, the onus is on you to read them before doing anything.

That's straight up false failure to present the terms of an agreement is entirely on the person trying to get the other to agree to those terms, and further, isa bad faith agreement

I couldn't hand you a brick with a sheet of paper wrapped around it saying you had to kill yourself with it on the underside with the expectation that you have to kill yourself with it, or sell you a chair and say, oh, by the way, you agreed to this 50 page document I just had laying on my desk but didn't present to you during the purchasing procedure.

>>16802646

>terms of an agreement

I said it clearly above, licenses are NOT agreements. They are exemptions to copyright law's terms. There may be some conditions attached to said exemptions (e.g. keep copyright notices, non-commercial use only, only applies to white people), but they're still not contracts. They only come into play if you want to distribute/reproduce/make derivatives.

License AGREEMENTS are agreements. EULAs are agreements. You're (supposedly) required to follow them.

>>16802653

>they are exemptions

they grant*

>>16802654

Either way you're wrong on the Eula thing, and even by the definition you are trying to present a license is an informal agreement.

>>16802277

Nexus these days hosts mods for games other than just Bethshit. The problem is that it's all just porn, meme or "unlocked rocket launcher and quadruple health because you suck at REmake 2" mods.

>>16802662

Second problem being you need an account to even see the goddamn porn

>You must be logged in to download files

How long it that a requisite? I remember being able to download anything freely…

I always preferred moddb anyway.

>>16802273

Are you forced to use ISDN or dial up?

>>16802677

Most cancer internet in Current Year+4 is some sort of wireless: 3G, MMDS, or in worst case, fucking satellite.

It's not cost-effective to companies to deploy dial-up, even in shitholes, since ADSL needs the exact same infrastructure.

>>16802472

It's true and one of the reason companies are pushing "services" rather than products, everybody knows that if you really need something digital, it can always be pirated, but you can't pirate a service. Steam for example offers automatic updates, cloud saving, friends lists, etc. There's also Netflix. Shit like Microsoft Office and Photoshop are getting in on it too.

>>16802502

So why don't they just dump their mods to every site then?

>>16802502

>>16802705

Because most of them are greedy fucks nowadays and want to police their mods and sometimes even try to sell them

whereas back in the days people where happy to get credit and didn't even take donations because of the old modding community codex which has long been forgotten.

Now it's a commercial shithole.

>There are people in 2020 that dont know about MO

>ITT

>Thinking they can have an opinion

Wew

>>16802656

>you are trying to present a license is an informal agreement.

The main distinction people draw is that bare licenses grant you permission to do something you couldn't, without any reciprocity (you don't have to take on any obligation, like abstaining from reverse-engineering, or donating to a charity)).

Moreover, breaching a license means you get in trouble on the copyright front, whereas breaching a contract falls within the realm of contract law (at least in burgerland). Obviously possible to get sued on both counts. At least that's my understanding.

>you're wrong on the Eula thing

How so? By all means explain. They are contracts, like any other. If you accept them, you're giving your word that you will follow the terms. Whether they end up being valid or bogus is an entirely separate matter.

>>16802705

Because most people don't have any kind of rejection towards botnet and cancer and jewishness, so they figure as long as they post to the most popular place(s) then there's no reason to bother going anywhere else. People just want everything to be centralized and do everything from the same place and put all their stuff in a single place.

You'll find that this explains a lot of things, like why people keep lining up for the popular cancerous corporate datamining botnets while completely tossing aside more free/ethical alternatives, similar to how you came to 8kun.

>>16802271

I was about to ask about this and see if anyone knew any other free alternatives other than this site cancer trying to make money off of other's work. I have been meaning to get mods for bethesda etc.

At least the mods are still accessible to autistic piratefags unlike steam workshop

The modding community filled up with morons who need a whole launcher and site to install them without breaking their game install, centralising mods to one location. So mods just became too widley used consquently monitsed to shit.

>>16802888

A lot of nexus mods for NV will only work with a steam version last time I used it.

>>16802891

Should have been open sourced rather than privately sourced. I mean look at OBS its open sourced, Libreoffice is as well. Nobody really owns them and if they try to pull some bullshit forks can be made much like Waterfox.

>>16802892

Then pirate the newest version faggot.

>>16802906

Nigger I said it works with pirate versions.

And mods do too.

>>16802848

I personally think mod managers are silly since installing mods are generally simple file operations (move and/or rename, at most). If they really wanted some kind of simple / centralized thing, the way to go is to have a well featured file browser.

>>16802932

There can be problems when you have mods that require other mods to function, which also require some other mods to function. Then you have situations where mods can conflict between them(imagine a mod makes the sky blue while the other makes it read, what color will be the sky?, or a mod places a castle on spot X, but another mod places dungeon there, what will there be?). Maybe you want to temporarily disable a mod, but don't want to go into the file location, delete the file or move it somewhere else.

Sure when you have a few mods, no problem, but some people have dozens of mods installed in games like Morrowind or New Vegas, for stuff like this is why mod managers were created.

>>16802932

It depends. Are you installing 1 mod or many? Does the game have mod support?

If you have loads of mods overwriting each other with lots of individual files uninstalling an individual mod is practically impossible. That's where you use mod managers.

Or you install a mod and want to overwrite files from that mod and not overwrite those from that other mod.

Without a mod manager you can't do that without making a list which files belong to which mods and doing every file individually.

In case of SWBF2 on the other hand you don't need a mod manager ever but that one has native addon support where you can just shove new maps/troops/modi in the addons folder and they are in individual three letter folders to begin with and don't touch each other.

>>16802949

>>16802953

>>16802942

I generally use command line scripts for those kinds of operations (move, copy, rename, series of files). I know a lot of people hate command line, but it's easy to simplify multiple tasks down to a few keypresses which is easier than most GUI interactions.

>>16802960

Stop shilling your retardism and just accept what we're telling you. This is not a simple file operation.

Hell mod organizer even has a virtual filesystem you stupid fuck.

So it can smash the mod files together as needed when starting the game.

NMM on the other hand remembers the overwriting order too and deletes or overwrites files accordingly where MO would make a virtual filesystem for the game each time the game starts.

And no, you can't use a simple script for that.

>but it's easy to simplify multiple tasks down to a few keypresses

You can't do that task without writing a whole mod manager, you niggerfaggot. And I doubt your faggot shell implementation (if you had one) would be used by anyone at all.

>all these faggots bitching about this shit being slow even though it's 100% free

It's not free to host the site. It's not anyone's job to pay money so you can have shit for free. Try running a site that provides that many downloads to so many people, that shit is fuckin expensive. Whiny faggots.

>get infinite free burgers

>bitch that there's not avocado

>must be a selfish fucker giving out infinite free burgers without avocado

>inb4 food analogy

>>16802976

I do just use shell scripts. I just don't play anything like Skyrim or Fallout. The most modded game I have is probably Devil May Cry 4 which primarily involves renaming and moving.

>>16802271

Didn't they start that a while ago already?

>>16802436

That's still fucking slow with today's file sizes. Installing a game takes days now because everything is a download. I have connection like that too, really envy the 100Mbit people.

>>16802986

>which primarily involves renaming and moving.

And that is not what mod managers are there for, so don't pretend they are useless, cunt.

>>16803026

Well, don't pretend there aren't people out there who make things way more complicated for themselves than things needed to be. Some dude made some DMC4 mod manager that not many actually used.

>>16803033

As I said no one needs a mod manager for SWBF2 which has mod support or installing a few mods.

But if it overwrites vanilla files along with a ton of other mods eventually, everything will destroy each other if not overwriting each other in a certain order, if even compatible at all. And then you need a clean install and overwrite in the correct order to get the desired result.

In some cases mod managers are employed, in others mod loaders which work by reverse engineering and in others both.

Skyrim has SKSE and loose files. A mod manager is definetly needed for those loose files. And the Mod loader part doesn't serve the purpose the loose files do.

Unlike in Minecraft where forge handles it all.

>>16803043

>>16803043

Maybe you're still thinking about some past experience but the MO dev himself took on developing NMM and it works pretty well since then.

>>16802932

>I personally think mod managers are silly since installing mods are generally simple file operations (move and/or rename, at most)

That's a hard install. Mod managers do a soft install that doesn't fuck with the actual internals of the game's directory structure or content. It's basically a glorified symbolic link manager with an indexer for ordering with a GUI because we're dealing with windows here which AFAIK can't even do proper symbolic links without a whole fucking app like this.

>If they really wanted some kind of simple / centralized thing, the way to go is to have a well featured file browser.

Or just know how to do file operations in bash. Or better yet a terminal mod manager for linux with git features if modders actually bothered putting their shit on a git, which they don't.

>>16803130

>can't even do proper symbolic links without a whole fucking app like this.

No, NTFS supports symbolic links, you fucking gnufag. But you wouldn't make symbolic links either because it's not about directory structure but individual files which reside in one folder with outher files from different mods.

Do you even know what a symbolic link is, you gnigger?

>that doesn't fuck with the actual internals of the game's directory structure or content

Furthermore NMM does not have the virtual filesystem feature MO has. Mod managers work differently.

NMM does place, remove or overwrite files on the disc.

>Or just know how to do file operations in bash.

Can you make it any less obvious that you're the linux sperg 40ae54? IP hopping faggot.

>putting their shit on a git, which they don't.

Stay mad, faggot.

>>16803160

The mod manager has to know the overwriting order of the mods to know which file to present to the game.

It does so by creating a virtual fs like MO and presenting that or changing the directory when mods are installed or uninstalled like NMM.

You can't install a mod overwriting files from one mod and not from another without a mod organizer.

Or try uninstalling an individual mod installed over another mod.

Both of those are impossible to do without a mod organizer.

You're officially the king of retards. Terry would not be proud of you.

>>16802662

Thing is, it still doesn't seem particularly comprehensive for anything aside from Todd mods. It's quite a mess. I couldn't imagine paying for such sketch shit.

>>16803194

>i'm an idiot, look at me being proud of being ignorant

Go spin a dreidel.

>>16803152

>Can you make it any less obvious that you're the linux sperg 40ae54? IP hopping faggot.

What the fuck dude, I just play modded DMC4.

>>16803210

>>16803217

I didn't guess there are so many faggots on this board but apparently there are.

>>16803208

>Me not giving a shit about NMM doesn't relate to Terry

Shell scripts don't relate to the complexity of mod managers either.

>Starting to think you have a NMM subscription

I also explained how mod organizer works. In contrast to NMM it doesn't bother with copying files and is thus perceived by most as the better mod manager because that is a lot faster.

They both memorize and manage overwriting orders of mods or the individual mod files on a case by case basis. Your shell script doesn't do that unless you've already written a complete mod manager in bash in which case you can show it to us.

>>16802527

FUCK OFF TODD!

>>16802271

I always chose the "slow option", but it doesn't seem like there's a difference. Mods aren't that big, so it's not like I'm downloading a whole game.

>>16802281

Vortex isn't that bad at all. I do miss NMM, but not enough to forget how much of a pain in the ass it could be when modding new games. I would often manually add mods because of how shit NMM could be.

>>16802932

Mods that require other mods will cause issues when mods get updates. Trying to remove mods after manual installations is also a pain in the ass. It's not feasible to keep track of the location of a hundred mods or more, which is what commonly happens with TES and FO games.

>>16802986

Mod managers aren't made for games that are running a few mods at most. They are made for games like TES and FO that are running a hundred.

>>16802271

>>16802272

Just use a download manager and que them up.

This is no different from the days of slow speed internet, just go do something else while you wait.

>>16802274

>Paying for mods is okay as long as it's not the companies who made the games making the money.

No, kys yourself.

Wasn't there always a cap?

>>16802391

I always used Mod Organizer. Now links are really fucking finicky with it.

>>16803975

It depends, how many bugs he comes with?

>>16804059

he may or may not come with several bugs, but what would you prefer that or guaranteed GRIDS?

>>16802436

>>16802677

I'm stuck good ol' socialism, if i just decide to fuck-off to a less "3rd world" country, it'll take years to get the necesary documents because, of course, who wants to actually leave socialism?, unless i want to be a janitor, gardener, etc. for the rest of my life

Jesus christ this thread is retarded. Nexus has had paid memberships for a long time, to cover hosting costs. The capped download for free used to be 1MB/s. The UI is changed and the 5 second delay is new, but they've had capped free downloads and paid premium for years, probably over a fucking decade.

And now you're calling them jewish like babby's first day on /pol/ because they doubled the free download limit and are otherwise doing the same thing they have been? Why is it that only the dumbest fucking niggers came back to this site after hotwheels' deplatforming campaign stopped working? Not even cuckchan /v/'s users are retarded enough to make this thread, and their userbase is full of resetera trannies and people who think quoting someone's post with a soyjak is the height of comedy.

>making money just by hosting things you didn't make and jewing everybody out the ass when they try to download said things

Sounds like most file-sharing sites to me

>>16812490

If you want to be technical, Costs were originally poised on the host, not the clients on filesharing sites.

>>16807949

Good post.

>>16812490

>making money by hosting things you didn't make

It's not like it's free to do, running a file sharing website. If they're not making at least some money, then they're losing money.

>jewing everyone out the ass

Well it's still totally free to use, so not very jewish. You're probably not ever gonna hit the cap unless you're downloading multiple compilations of textures and music or shit like that. Also, it's not like they're forcing people to use their site or forcing mod creators to upload there.

Daily reminder that if you're dumb enough to use the nexus mod manager, you are an eternal casual and you should legitimately use a console instead.

This has been happening for months.

>>16814968

It works fine, as well as it does for Fallout 3.

>>16814968

Use Wrye Bash

>>16814992

Cool.

>>16815004

Can't you use Wyre bash with MO? Run Wyre through MO to create your patches or something to that effect, or was that a different organizer?

>>16803283

Any leads on the white Demetrius mod? I had it before but now I'm having no luck. Seems to have been taken down everywhere.

>>16802469

>>16802472

Water is free, yet you pay to get it

You even have to pay a yearly subscription to the country you're living to keep a plot of dirt for yourself along with also paying for stuff you already bought.

>>16815292

>Water is free, yet you pay to get it

To get clean water to your apartment. You can get drinking water for free anywhere. There is a lot of public bathrooms in cities. That tap water is the exact same as my tap water. And in nature you'll find drinkable water too.

>yearly subscription to the country you're living

That is not true. Water is paid by how much you use. Similar to electricity.

>>16815589

>>16815292

Did you know that crops just grow out of the ground, for free? You can also just find wild animals in nature, no problem.

With all of life's conveniences, they produce and manufacture them in bulk, and for each middleman between you and the source, you're paying a convenience fee. And it's completely reasonable. Time is money, because money represents a unit of time you spent working; you don't want to waste your money (time), and people want to be compensated for theirs. So if it is a big deal, go out, bottle your own water from nature, and you'll have to sanitize it too.

>>16815004

You need to use Wrye Bash or Mator Smash for their patching capability but they aren't good as mod managers. Mod Organizer is just too good to use anything else for that.

>>16815773

Wrye Bash has the same functionality as MO but MO is easier to use. Also most of the Oblivion mods were made with wrye in mind.

>>16802281

Just use MO2 instead.