/v/ - Video Games

I would have said how much more fun Vanguard is than Yu-Gi-Oh! right now, but then new Bermuda set came in more than one way.

How's everyone enjoying MR5 so far on the sim?

>>16798173

I don't think it is on it.

>>16798155

What about duel links??

>>16798210

It is absolute dog trash.

>>16798215

I guess they did to avoid having to do changes that might require an non automatic update. Maybe.

>>16798155

This is a card game. Also CCGs are bad and you should feel bad.

>>16798155

Anybody here goat format? Also what the fuck happen to this site jesus…

>>16800388

Mark is a tard and is splitting the little people that are sticking around by not shutting either this or vch.moe

I seriously can't wait for MR5 or whatever the fuck they're calling it. MR4 revision? Man, so many decks are going to be playable again without links, it's amazing.

>>16800521

See >>16798215

You can already test it out.

On the one hand, I'm happy for people that like to play decks which will be made easier to play with the Master Rule revision. On the other hand, I'm surely not looking forward to a spam of three Toadally Awesome on the first turn everywhere I go. The Link summon restriction on the Extra Deck was a compromise I was happy with to slow down some of the Extra Deck spam, and while combos have gotten longer and established increasingly oppressive board presence regardless, thanks a lot to the high number of powerful Link monsters, I feel like this will open the gates even further to players playing Solitaire and making unbreakable boards. I don't expect there will be many pre-emptive hits on the upcoming banlist, but one in the future will likely be a massacre of many decks and strategies people enjoy playing due to how many over-the-top and degenerate plays this format could introduce with the cards we have now.

>>16800667

Don't worry. Konami will just make the Rush/Speed format the new standard for tournaments.

>>16800667

MR4 has taught me that it is hopeless to expect Yugioh to not become a solitaire negation OTKfest, simply because Konami requires that kind of extreme power creep to justify people buying new cards. We thought Pendulums would be dead on arrival, and Electromite was all they needed for Magicians to be top tier for a while. They deliberately avoided banning Firewall because of the anime until it became clear its existence would require new cards to be banned too. All said and done, all MR4 did was kill Goyo Defender and render Dustons useless – every other deck adapted via generics like Borrelsword, didn't need the extra deck anyway, or were slow enough that they either weren't hampered too much or weren't gonna be usable either way.

If it's impossible to balance the game (and Konami already fucked up the "soft reboot" approach as seen with Duel Links), then fuck it. Might as well make sure people don't get their petdecks gutted in the process.

I recently downloaded the new percy 1.34 or something

I noticed the AI mode is not there anymore

what happened to that

I enjoyed playing with the AI machine because all duels were fast and I could test decks quickly

now I have to log on and wait ages before some guy finally makes a move

there is the other game dawn of a new era or what it was called

that has an AI too but the problem witht that program is nagware hey guise, please donate to me by paypal

>>16803070

Percy 2 had AI. KoishiPro too, I think.

>>16806096

Extra deck monsters not called pendulums or links ignore most of rule 4 except for the existence of the extra monster zone and being able to be put into it from the extra.

So you can just summon the other types of extra monsters from the extra deck to main monster zones with no conditions.

>>16806107

so you put pendulums and links into the extra monster zone and anything else in the main one and that's all she wrote?

>>16806112

Well the extra monster zone is still usable for fusions and such, its just that they aren't locked to it.

But yes they pretty much function as before otherwise.

>>16806114

isn't that basically reverting what they "fixed" by introducing links and the extra monster zone? aka the 1 turn board fill with xyzs synchros and whatnot?

>>16806117

Yes thats literally what it is.mind you that was a lost cause since main deck archtypes that were on-par with said spam already existed at that point

And in case you didn't notice they literally released stuff to enable that stuff during the link era anyway.

>>16798155

Imagine believing Yu-Gi-Oh! post Upper Deck split and post downfall of Konami holds any value.

It's become an endless marketing cycle of the same tired special summon spam, floodgates, and turn ending negations. Each new meta deck is exactly the same as before with a new coat of paint, and there is little to no interaction with your opponent. The escalation of Quick effects during Arc-V and beyond was their unnecessary excuse for "more player interaction" but ironically it caused the opposite. It's almost as if the people designing the new cards have the mindset of repurposed video game developers (Konami refugees), as this increasingly convoluted mess of a modern game fits much better in a digital format than in real life tabletop play.

You even got strung along with VRAINS hoping for your Link 1's and 2's to solve archetype problems and now they are just resetting the game again anyway.

That's not even mentioning the discrepancy between OCG and TCG. The OCG being the original game with higher quality products, events, ban lists, and support in general. TCG products are much cheaper quality with thin cardboard and foils that have been warping out of the packs for several years now, especially from all-foil mini sets. Even their shitty 3 year long spin-off cartoons (commercials) have no relevance in the West anymore, which lets 4Kids (4KMedia, yes they still exist) get away with even worse edits and dubs year after year for their limited releases.

Yu-Gi-Oh! proper is over and has been for a long time. This isn't what Kazuki Takahashi ever had in mind, and as such has even distanced himself from Konami's mess with the exception of some artwork deals over the years.

Never forget that Konami is a company focused on gambling products, and the only reason Konami keeps Yu-Gi-Oh! going is because it still targets kids and otaku in Japan, and addicts in the West. It's a game where victories and losses literally mean nothing, and the only winning move is not to play. If you really enjoy this old franchise, just grab the original comics and pray that one day Konami sells it off to a better company.

>>16806164

>This isn't what Kazuki Takahashi ever had in mind

All he had in mind was a crappy one off rip off of Magic The Gathering. Yu-Gi-Oh's foundationnis fundamentally broken because it's original "rules" were contrived by a mangaka, not anyone actually trying to design a game.

>>16806171

>because it's original "rules" were contrived by a mangaka

Not at all actually, why do you think the two Yugioh card games had such varied rules exactly?

The manga yugioh basically had no rules is why, thats why early anime and "season 0" have nonsensical duels.

It was closer to card D&D than magic.

>>16806180

May as well actually state this directly; neither bandai Yugioh or Konami Yugioh were effected by the mangas rules, their foundations were basically totally unique products.

Stating their origin point doesn't actually explain why Konami decided to power creep the game into oblivion and force gimmicks for years at a time. Those are totally unrelated to it being based on something kinda dumb.

>>16806164

I have never paid money for cards and there were plenty of decks I enjoyed playing pre-Vrains. As far as "player interactivity" it has always been a negation/destruction or an attack increase/decrease. Not sure what you want. Sometimes interaction comes from simple strategy. Playing cards based on game knowledge so you force the opponent to play around them or the alternative when because of game knowledge you assume what the opponent might have and try to play around it.

Vanguard is plenty fun, even though arguable it has less player interaction, but at the same time player interaction comes from surprising parts of the game, such as defense and RG attacking. In YGO it is not that the player interaction has changed that much, it might even have more of it than before with having to negate a summon or whatever at the proper timings more than ever. It is just that in-between there is many more cards activating that actually ends up being a lot of "Can I, or do you negate here?" so in a sense you might be talking to the opponent a lot more than than before. That said I play online and on Percy, so I don't talk to people and don't like to. The Western YGO playerbase is cancer. I actually have started playing Vanguard irl and the players are mostly chill and nice people. Meanwhile you hear the literal children playing YGO screaming and the neckbeards laughing over some dumb-ass shit.

>>16806186

All games are basically power creeps. Except if don't want to play SJW the Gather where every year your old cards become useless. Meanwhile people here were bitching about Links.

>>16806194

>As far as "player interactivity" it has always been a negation/destruction or an attack increase/decrease.

The difference here is modern yugioh is basically forces all of that on turn 1 always. Power Creep has made decks puke out all its stuff instantly instead of giving multiple chances.

Not only that but it always does have a chance these days to be literal solitaire, which usually only happens if card games if one player bricks while the other opens above average .

>Except if don't want to play SJW the Gather

Despite what people say Magic certainly does have power creep. Rotation doesn't really do much besides making sure that old cards don't be a constant.

Is there a way to play oldschoole yugioh online? preferanly with some sort of social aspect instead of 1v1ing randoms.

There was a game called DMO for BYOND I played back in the day, it was fun, using cyber stein decks was viable and you could win instead of meta shit like Goat Control.

The Yu-Gi-Oh Nightmare Troubadour era was my favorite but I wouldnt mind playing older formats if possible.

>>16806335

Just looked at legacy of duelist, i might play that even though its an old game.

I am mentally stuck in the early 2010s, I think the newest game I ever played was GTA 5 which I bought on launch.

2013 was 7 years ago fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>16806337

Do you fags never read the OP? It is a shit game, don't play it. What "social aspects" does it have anyway?

Just play Tag Force or World Championship. Easy to emulate even on a phone, so you can play then on the go.

>>16806347

Not every one is a 16 year old twink zoomer with a hot new iphone that can emulate DS games on the school bus or when youre riding in your uber to your grindr hookup.

That being said, BYOND DMO was a fun ass game lmao

>>16806354

Iphones can't do shit.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but my 5 year old Lenovo emulates both PSP and DS games just fine. It was just a cheap mid-range phone back then.

>fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>lmao

Yet you act so high and might.

>>16806354

>iphone that can emulate

Iphone is the worst thing you can get for that.

>>16806371

yeah I had a piece of shit acer PC from like 2008 that could play PSP games but it couldnt play DS games without clipping.

I bought a 2012 HP Workstation from newegg with 32gb of ram and I tried playing heart gold on it and the audio clipped and lagged on that too.

I dont know, I dont give a fuck. video games fucking suck bawls. I wish I was a teen again and could actually give a fuck.

>>16806377

wtf Ive seen kids playing game on the phones that have xbox 360 graphics that shit is crazy

>>16806354

I WISH I was a 16 year old twink

>>16806138

>That's why Yu-Gi-Oh is trying to restart from scratch with the new cards not playable in standard format

I give them 10 months before they crack and start letting them in or create cards functionally the same as shit from the old format. If they couldn't be trusted to keep MR4 era cards like Fur Hires out of a game that wasn't built for them like Duel Links, I'm not optimistic Konami will help themselves not power creeping the shit out of another "soft reboot".

Actually, the only way to slow down the game would be to introduce a limit to both special summons and spells. And since it'll never be done, enjoy your T1 Solitaire plays.

>>16807213

>>16807205

Spell limiting is an interesting idea for forcing people to weigh whether they want to search and build resources or set up their board (and doesn't give an unfair advantage to normal summon decks like Yosenjus or Monarchs), but I'm worried it'd fuck decks reliant on them like Witchcrafters or Dark Magician up too harshly, or give decks like Traptrix (trap heavy) and Superheavy Samurais (no S/Ts at all) too much of an advantage. At least it'd force the limiting of Fag Blossom so I never see its stupid forehead again

>>16808700

I mean spell based decks these days generally don't play that much of an excess of spells on one turn. Its generally like 1-2 and grabbing quick plays for your opponents turn.

The only deck that really did that to an extreme are spellbooks.a spell limit would balance judgement haha

The thing with a spell limit is a turn limit wouldn't really achieve much on average because most decks don't play more than like two outside of pendulums.and those got nerfed again just recently so i don't see the need

Holy shit, the new banlist

https://www.yugioh-card.com/oc/gameplay/detail.php?id=1155

Forbidden:

Orcust Harp Horror

Thunder Dragon Colossus

Heavymetalfoes Electrumite

Ib the World Chalice Justiciar

Tempest Magician

Outer Entity Azathot

Salamangreat Miragestallio

Brilliant Fusion

Sky Striker Mobilize – Engage!

Limited:

Danger! Nessie!

Dinowrestler Pankratops

Servant of Endymion

True King Lithosagym, the Disaster

Card of Demise

Dragonic Diagram

Into the Void

Pot of Avarice

Sekka’s Light

Red Reboot

Semi-Limited:

Deep Sea Diva

Tour Guide From the Underworld

No longer Limited:

Dark Armed Dragon

Lady Debug

Morphing Jar #2

Performage Damage Juggler

Tribe-Infecting Virus

Sky Striker Ace – Kagari

Book of Moon

The Phantom Knights’ Rank-Up-Magic Launch

Solemn Warning

Soul Drain

>>16810635

>Morphing Jar #2

Time to use that stupid combo again.

>>16807213

What it would introduce would be a huge slowdown of the game. That Konami would exploit to sell new cards bypassing said slowdown because they can't long-term plan for their game.

>>16808700

Introduce spell combos, then ? To take your Dark Magician idea, something like

>If this card is on the Graveyard, banish it to play a Spell card targeting or requiring "Dark Magician"

It would force people to play cards inside their decks, while leaving the cards that aren't under the limitation. But again, that would require that the fuckups at Konami know their job.

>>16810635

>Morphing Jar 2 unlimited

Time to rebuild a Milling deck around it and Needle Worm, like good old times.

>>16810635

Top 5 decks are Dino, SPYRAL, Code Talker, Marincess, and Burning Abyss now.

>>16810983

>If this card is on the Graveyard, banish it to play a Spell card targeting or requiring "Dark Magician"

Certainly would force more brickings sure in archetypes, but depending on how it's enforced it'd probably either have a lot of collateral damage to spells that certainly don't deserve it, like Share The Pain or Rituals, or shift every deck into trying to mill themselves ASAP to get these spell-enablers in the grave – so Zombies and Lightsworns would find themselves in a better position than most.

>>16805323

I tried the Dragon Maids. They are fun, not broken, but fun. It's easy to understand how it works and it has a lot of weaknesses, but casually you should be good to go by playing them. Another deck added to the waifu pile.

>>16815186

>The Dawn of a New Era

How do people even get in a situation in which they are playing that.

>>16807205

A comprehensive banlist that entirely bans or limits every single archetype's designated free searchers and material providers, whether they be spells or monsters both, would singlehandedly solve the problem. Unilateral action.

To the Orcusts it's Harp Horror, to the Sky Strikers it's Mobilize, to Salamangreat it's Circle and/or Foxy. Don't just set them at 1 or 2, fucking nuke them. Nuke them all. Call it Pot of Greed 2: Your Cards Are Now Worthless Boogaloo.

>>16815234

Harp Horror and Engage are banned, and Miraglestalio is banned too.

>>16815335

I never said you would or would not kick butt. Just that that is a 3rd rate game run on the same Chinese engine and literally had viruses on it at some point. It was always a pointless version that had no point to its existing other than "creator" trying to make some money off it.

>>16815247

It has to flip first and guardians aren't that scary, which is probably enough to pass it over for a full ban. Maybe at 1 or 2. Now if it had a "banish from grave to get free cards as if you should be rewarded for losing a monster that isn't a zombie" effect, then it would be prime forbidden material.

>>16815248

>using TCG banlist

That aside, I mean every single one, not just those few presently meta decks. Gum up the game by retconning a lot of cards that simply should not have ever been printed.

A vast majority of cards today are not dramatically different then many printed around 2011 to 2013, but a minority of very consistent support and combo cards make it seem that way.

imagine being so full of shit that you design a bunch of cards, release them to the market, and then you forbid the players from using them because they're too OP or some shit.

>>16815704

Amazoness Empress requires material to summon and that effect is conditional, so she could probably be safe at 1-2 without being able to accelerate matches too much. As an actual boss monster, it gets some leeway.

Amazoness Princess, on the other hand, is an instant 0. That card searches twice at the price of a special summon and graveyard loading, which is already hardly a punishment.

>>16815705

No, the full of shit part is that they don't ban them because they're too OP, which means you have no choice but to buy them, because they make all your old cards obsolete

they have set fucking solemn warning to 3 with no hesitation, we're that far over the power creep horizon

can someone post a download link for percy with AI integrated

or whatever the version is you guys are playing

I am perturbed that the one I got (ygopro percy 1.034) does have the AI feature removed

I wanted to play decks against the AI because that is much faster and I am a little cunt who cannnot wait for some other dude to take 2 minutes to play his turn just for testing my deck

thank you

anyone?

>>16818198

I can, but I already said what you need. You just don't want to bother to look for it yourself.

>>16818750

It's a shittier version of sword of revealing light. By shittier, I mean broken as fuck considering all you have to do is go second and hope your opponent drops at least one monster and why wouldn't he? This is the power creep that everyone is upset about, also

>unlimited morphing jar #2

Is weenie rush the new meta? :^)

>>16818767

Also to answer your question, just add some shit that negates activation or blows up magic/trap cards. A decent deck should have some defensive measures against an otk. Besides that just pucker your asshole and hope you can kill before your opponent uses it.

>>16818721

I don't even understand the current state of those programs

What is the current prog that is being used

When I was into that crap it was ygopro percy and it had an AI engine

I come back and it seems like with advance of Link monsters they scrapped development or something

and instead there is this new kike program that every single time I enter the home menu nags me to donate to their gaypal

So is ygopro percy 1.34 the latest version?

if yes I have this one as well

>>16820322

your water deck is worse than my water deck and i can prove it any day

How is the MR5 meta going?

>sacred beast support is a bunch of cards that let them pretend to be their anime selves

>and imao free dark summoning beast

Well its much better than just forcing it to be a fusion turbo deck or something retarded, they even tried to make Uria actually good for the continuous trap deck.

it doesn't seem like enough though.

>>16839623

Using the "AI" on the online game is dumb as fuck anyway. Just download a console game that is from the generation that you want.