1b6b57 No.16794381[Last 50 Posts]
Back in 2009-2010, the Xbox 360 had numerous exclusives that made the console much more appealing than the PS3. Think of games like Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect II, Super Meat Boy, Bayonetta, Limbo, Castle Crashers,Tales of Vesperia, etc. Then they somehow managed to lose most of these exclusives to Sony, which was followed by a serious lack of exclusives on the Xbox One.
Is there a real chance for Microsoft to recover during Generation 9? From the news we've gotten so far, it will be more powerful than the PS5 (albeit not by much) and their acquisitions of several studios such as Double Fine (inb4), Ninja Theory and Obsidian Entertainment might mean they're getting serious again about competing with Sony again. On the other hand, Microsoft purchased Rare back in 2008, and we all know how that went.
If M$ were smart, they'd ride the coattails of the Banjo-Kazooie hype after the character was included in Smash Ultimate, and release either a HD rerelease of an older game, or something new altogether.
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71bbdc No.16794385
I'm only now realizing how little I heard about the Xbone this gen.
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efa429 No.16794391
>Always Online Kinect
Even though they had to backpedaled hard on this, it basically destroyed them and handed Sony an easy win(just like the 600 PS3 handed a huge advantage to M$). You might have forgotten, but when they first announced the console, because of the "Cloud" and "Always Online" it was available in a few countries. Hell they showed Witcher 3 footage on their console, even though Xbox wouldn't be available in Poland, talk about irony. The, then director, saying that "people who want an offline xbox should just get a 360" just added fuel to the fire.
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d7cc65 No.16794398
>>16794381
Microsoft has been trying to get rid of the Xbox brand since 2014.
Profitable it may be, Microsoft doesn't want to be a gaming company, and undoubtedly realize that they are competing against themselves with the Xbox brand.
They don't want to make game software, they want to work on cloud computing.
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c69b80 No.16794405
>>16794381
>How did Microsoft fuck up so hard during Generation 8?
by being microsoft
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a04eaf No.16794406
>>16794398
>They don't want to make game software,
Wasn't that always the problem with the Xbox brand? It was suppose to be a media center device, but everyone actually working in it made it a game console.
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6d3c0c No.16794409
I'm surprised they never did a banjo kazooie/tooie remake like Crash Bandicoot trilogy and spyro reignited.
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305c43 No.16794413
Windows 10. Spreading that spyware was and still is mama microsoft's priority. Even if they had to kill xbox for that.
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6da47d No.16794417
>>16794381
Microsoft is doing exactly what I predicted as soon as they started doing crossbuy on their platform. They're doing their best to merge their console and PC markets. It's pretty brilliant, frankly.
I'd say that they've done well to salvage the situation after firing that retard of a brand director.
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818114 No.16794422
>>16794413
What's wrong with 10? I haven't bothered with anything beyond 7.
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c69b80 No.16794423
>>16794417
> that retard of a brand director.
he was just the fall guy. microsoft was plenty retarded years before and after
>>16794422
telemetry mostly, which got backported by now so anyone not disabling updates for 7 is getting reamed just the same. lot of people use ltsc anyway.
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816ce5 No.16794425
>>16794405
This. MS is an extremely incompetent company that only continues to exist because normalfags eat up their shitty software. The Xbox brand was the one thing they actually did somewhat well, but of course they fucked that up hard.
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d7cc65 No.16794426
>>16794422
>>16794423
>forgetting about the fact that Windows 10 doesn't allow you to decline updates that Microsoft didn't test resulting in waves of computer crashes.
Interestingly enough though, I once spoke to a Microsoft rep at my job once and I asked him about that and according to him the mass crashes only happen on HP brand computers due to the bloatware they come with.
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612ead No.16794427
>>16794413
They killed Windows Phone with their autistical pushing of UWP(removal of the android apps runner).
They want to make a fucking appstore for Windows, no matter the cost. Microsoft wet dream is to profit a percent of every cad/adobe/vegas installation, just like Steam or Appstore.
The question is why retards still buy xbox, the only reason to buy a console in current year is exclusives, and xbox has none by design. Or maybe Xbox was always crap, and only the MASSIVE marketing campaigns make idiots buy and shill for it in first place.
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c69b80 No.16794435
>>16794426
you can postpone them (even on home now I think), so they're either fixed by then or removed.
there's also ways to disable them, the easiest moving the user folder off of c: - because that breaks windows updates for some reason.
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f21b1f No.16794436
>>16794425
iirc most of MS's profits come from their server licensing methods. Its been a long time though, so it may have shifted about.
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f21b1f No.16794437
>>16794435
using regedit on certain portions of windows can defang it in that regard too. Hell a basic fucking dword can stop windows defender from even doing anything at all.
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1c78d2 No.16794438
>>16794436
There are plenty of companies that pay Microjew millions upon millions of dollars. They don't give a shit about the consumer market.
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0a165f No.16794446
>>16794426
>the mass crashes only happen on HP brand computers due to the bloatware they come with.
That's bullshit. Windows 10 was constantly crashing on my systems after wiping the drives of everything and installing the OS from scratch. And, this rang true for the computer that wasn't an HP.
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f21b1f No.16794449
>>16794446
>expecting a MS rep to tell the truth
Pajeets never speak truthfully, ever.
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25b153 No.16794536
>>16794398
Doubtful. The Xbox brand has been a very successful tax shelter for a long time. It's probably why they started hiding sales data, so that they'd have an easier time fudging the numbers and using the Xbone as a writeoff.
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ab9fb2 No.16794574
Their initial announcement (shitty always online DRM, discs tied to accounts, mandatory kinect, etc.) killed absolutely momentum they had. Even if they backpedaled on it, the damage was irreversible. Shitty lineup was another nail on the coffin. Dudebros jumped ship to Soyny to get their shitty lootbox fix, etc.
>>16794425
>[MS] only continues to exist because normalfags eat up their shitty software
MS only exists because of massive amounts of vendor lock-in, inertia, baby duck syndrome, and under the table deals with OEMs to ensure they get paid before you even buy a (laptop/prebuilt) computer (perpetuating their stranglehold on the market).
>>16794427
>the only reason to buy a console in current year is exclusives
That means it's time for consoles to fuck off and die. They're just a $300-400 tax (per platform) every ~6 years at this point.
>>16794435
>you can postpone them (even on home now I think)
it's still a fucking mess. Group Policy policies may be removed without notice between versions. Registry hacks get reverted every major update. Disabled services also gets reset on updating. Moreover, you can't choose updates to install (unless you run your own local update server, which is a big hassle, or you rely on 3rd party tools, which is rather sketchy). Same deal for (((telemetry))).
Lastly, updating is a bad idea in general because you have to pray updates won't fuck shit up. Remember the 1809 version update that had a bug that deleted people's \User\%USERNAME% folder?
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000000 No.16794676
>>16794574
you can't get updates that break update blockers if you never update :^)
t. still on 1809, desktop is probably older
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1b6b57 No.16794910
>>16794422
Steam will eventually stop working on Windows 7, so you'll be forced to switch over to Windows 10 in a couple years from now.
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55bfec No.16794946
>>16794381
The internet helped kill MS. People can get into PC gaming earlier than ever. Nintendo is the only company that has worthwhile exclusives, and even then their games have been so heavily emulated already.
Gaming Journalists dying out didn't help the XBone either. No one wants Halo 18. To make a splash you need a big killer app that promises a new riveting story.
These games exist very rarely for consoles because anyone with a good idea can download Unity.
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25b153 No.16794951
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f21b1f No.16794957
>>16794951
>here on 8kun
Hypocrite
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6eb470 No.16794959
>>16794910
It'll probably be limited to just the client itself but there's gonna be a point where the actual underlying APIU stuff needs some Win10 stuff and at that point cracks will most likely alsop require Win10.
Although that's provided new hardware doesn't simply require Win10 by default by that point, newer hardware is alread starting to shit itself on Win7
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0afed4 No.16795000
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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25b153 No.16795020
>>16795000
It's probably better for Microsoft to have next to no exclusives, but sell their games on either Xbone or Windows 10 than it is for Sony to have next to no exclusives and sell their games on PS4 and the fucking Epic Game Store.
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1c1c2a No.16795036
>>16794946
>Unity
Don't spread your cancer. They better download Godot, CryEngine or Unreal than that shit.
I want no more Unity games! Unity has to die!
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c69b80 No.16795080
>>16795036
>muh unity
>want's tranny shit, a broken mess or outright chinkshit worse than unity
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c69b80 No.16795089
>>16794574
>it's still a fucking mess.
because all a new release does is dump a new windows version on your hard drive and import some settings. explains why lot of shit resets (not that microsoft cares to begin with).
with windows rot you're better off doing a clean install every 6-12 months anyway.
>Lastly, updating is a bad idea in general because you have to pray updates won't fuck shit up. Remember the 1809 version update that had a bug that deleted people's \User\%USERNAME% folder?
iirc that was only on insider builds and if you test that shit (((for free))) you deserve everything you get.
and as I said simply moving the user folder breaks windows update, which shows what a fucking mess windows is no matter the version. can't wait till the stuff I need works on linux or virtualization improves so I don't need 2 GPUs and have to mess around with usb switches
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116ee4 No.16795092
>>16794381
>Think of games like Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect II, Super Meat Boy, Bayonetta, Limbo, Castle Crashers,Tales of Vesperia, etc.
Mass Effect 2 was never slated for exclusivity (thanks EA), though the first one was due to being directly published by Microsoft
Super Meat Boy was a PC port, and if you're going to bitch about console exclusivity, there was never a PS3 or wii version; it didn't go to the other consoles until the PS4 and wiiU
Bayonetta was Sega's call. The PS3 version had problems out the gate but was eventually fixed
Castle Crashers… really? A literal Newgrounds flash game is among your fondly remembered exclusives list?
Tales of Vesperia never came out on PS3 internationally. Microsoft's contract stipulated seemingly never-ending international exclusivity
Lost Odyssey was never released on any platform other than X360 so I don't know what you're bitching about
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e488f4 No.16795112
>>16794391
Sad day was had when I realized the from the introduction that it was a no buy. Then again, the generation as a whole was the worst I'd had experienced. I sincerely hope their series consoles are less insulting.
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ba7be2 No.16795115
>>16794391
This, plus early Xbone was Nogaems tier. Ryse: Son of Rome was a prime example of this. It was literally "Press A to win" tier. Apparently even if you fucked up the button inputs completely it would still continue as normal. Can't confirm that part, though.
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612ead No.16795117
>>16795000
>8
Lol, it's actually 3, one being an emulator of old games, so it's really only 2 exclusives.
A old version of Forza that nobody cared to port(since Forza 6 is free on PC) is all Xbots have.
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623817 No.16795124
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>>16795115
Man, imagine if games today did that.
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a04eaf No.16795143
>>16795117
Those are retail releases on. The fourth Xbone exclusive game is Crimson Dragon, which is digital only.
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d10363 No.16795192
>>16795124
Thing about Ryse is that every single "battle" was like that.
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d37cb0 No.16795193
>>16794910
>you'll be forced to switch over to Windows 10
Manjaro - it just werks. Shit on Steam all your want, but Proton and Vulkan make Linux gaming incredibly viable.
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25b153 No.16795195
>>16795193
>your options are Win 10 or some aids flavor of Linux
I'll just stick to my backlog, no game is worth dealing with either.
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a04eaf No.16795196
>>16795193
Linux gaming is already fucked thanks to CIAniggers taking it over.
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71bbdc No.16795231
>>16795196
Why are /tech autists so fucking paranoid, Jesus Christ.
You've completely killed your own community on this site. You call everything a botnet, scream shill constantly and call everybody a glownigger.
Fuck you people.
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704d15 No.16795240
I think the primary issues were chiefly
>lack of any sort of backwards compatibility from the getgo
>nearly ditching the entirety of their initiatives to fund independent developers
>attempts with integrating the xbone as a windows 10 ecosystem device
If they had focused on backwards compatibility from the getgo it would have presented an enormous prospect for people who already had an Xbox that didn't want THE XBOX (NOW WITH LESS GAMES) and they really ought to have put a leash on 343 from going full retard with halo5's monetization, and if they know better, they'll yank on them to prevent them from killing off any and all drive for halo when they roll out the monetization for MCC in march
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78563f No.16795241
>>16794422
It's an annoying bugfest
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19055e No.16795247
>>16794409
Rare (the studio) can hardly be fucked to make a game which is why they just ported the 360 version
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19055e No.16795255
>>16794422
Personally?
It forgot I owned it so it slapped a nice fucking watermark to burn into the screen
Decided updating was more important that a rendering process that had been going on for ~4 hours. Randomly asserted that one of my flash drives was "damaged" and "repaired" it destroying the data on it. Eventually it got so obnoxious I made the switch to primarily booting linux with windows on the side. To which the windows installation had gone and "Hey there's a problem on Drive C: let me fix it for you :)" and broke my bootloader and also managed to kill itself in the process in a way that the recovery media I had made refused to actually fix.
Really the only things I miss is my old art program that doesn't work on wine.
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66003b No.16795380
Unfortunately for Microsoft the average consumer does want an always on always connected to the internet spy camera and microphone in their living room but they don't want it hooked up to their tv.
That's the real failure of Microsoft this generation; they lost to Amazon's Alexa and Ring, Apple's Siri and Google. They saw all of this coming a decade before it became big thanks to their industrial espionage and used everything they had to compete with them. Ruining some barely profitable game brand to push this strategy wasn't a big deal to them in the bigger scheme of things.
And it wasn't a big deal to the video gaming world either.
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fddc2b No.16795386
Sadly the future seems to be Win 10 on one drive and Win 7 at worst or Linux on another drive.
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e10baf No.16795423
>>16794381
The acquisition of developers is irrelevant, Microsoft will run them into the ground eventually. Think about it this way, Obsidian and Ninja Theory are both known for their single player games, under Microsoft their first games are both multiplayer Games as a service titles. Microsoft have a high concept vision and their studios must obey it, no integrity, just production line games. I don't care about either studio, they were both shit, but they are examples of the way that Microsoft think, and nothing has changed in 20 years.
You could probably take any rando from /v/ and they would do a better job at managing one of these studios or even the whole division than the executives that Microsoft hires.
>>16794391
>just always online and kinect
It was $100 more expensive and 3/4 the power, Even if they removed Kinect and always online it still would have been smashed into the ground.
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7a0abc No.16795538
>>16795192
>Ryse
>many moons past
>download a multitude of 'new' titles to try out my 'new' gwafix card
>"surely this will be a turning point in gaming quality"
>play Ryse
>ah so it's a fucking QTE fest
>binned
>play the rest
>delet one after another and realise gaming went down the toilet in the interim between my last card and this one. Saves me some money on hardware I suppose.
>>16795195
'Upgrades' these days are cancerous, every miniscule improvement comes with a shovel full of shit to gulp down with it. The second a modern title gives me a flash of card envy I go check it out and inevitably it's nerfed, casualised, has terrible hit-boxes, 'aim-assist' shit, MMO worlds in SP games, post processing hell and cuckery.
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7a0abc No.16795539
>>16795231
Go back to your botnet glownigger shill.
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6561a7 No.16795540
>>16795255
Windows 10 has changed from even a year ago anon.
It's still botnet but corporate screaming is slowly getting it into a usable form.
Source: having to wrangle Win10 all of last year before Win7 dies in a week.
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684061 No.16795542
>>16795540
>Win7 dies in a week
Didn't you hear? MS will spill be deliver out Windows 7 updates AFTER the cut-off date for a small fee.
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6561a7 No.16795544
>>16795542
Nah, won't matter to most corps. Mine gets ISO audits so we can't have W7 around anymore.
Such a fucking pain to remove the cruft a year ago, with broken GPOs or having to use new and XP-era ones to get it locked down, bleh.
Easier today for sure. I'd still recommend a firewall if you're a paranoid feller or if you have an ethical stance against advertising. You can point the MS advertising servers to the void
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19055e No.16795557
>>16795540
Thanks, but no thanks, I'm fine with Linux and don't feel like risking having to deal with bullshit again
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5fd8ae No.16795562
>>16795255
>It forgot I owned it so it slapped a nice fucking watermark to burn into the screen
There are programs to activate Win10 in a single click, so I never really had to worry about that and I never had to buy it either, the shit is practically free.
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19055e No.16795574
>>16795562
Again, if Linux works I really ain't got a reason to switch back seriously, what is it with you guys and trying to get me back on an operating system that shit itself and nuked my hard drive?
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6561a7 No.16795584
>>16795574
Not trying to get you back.
Just saying that if you say "it did x" it's probably sort of fixed by now, so you won't convert the average normalfag with old horror stories.
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19055e No.16795587
>>16795584
Who says I'm trying to convert anyone, and what normalfags would I run into on /v/?
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78700e No.16797930
>>16794910
Then I just stop using steam I don't have many games on it.
>>16795544
On a lot of dev jobs you're using your own tools anyway if you'd like (or just a linux version since windows can't handle many things which linux versions can).
>>16795540
Idk why you would even chose to use win 10 in a corporate environment setting. The entire thing is just a nightmare. Advertisements build into the operating system. No privacy at all on your OS. Almost no performance improvements over windows 7. Usability is still a fucking nightmare and makes technical illiterate boomers seethe. You can prob continue to use win 7 for another 10 years or so, often most games still have support for windows vista around lol.
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e3ae8c No.16797949
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They're staffed by tone-deaf idiots who are more about focusing on retarded twitter social issues than stuff that actually matters like having games that are good.
Look how full of themselves they are that they thought to themselves, "oh, let's redesign Chief Thunder from Killer Instinct to show how woke we are despite the fact that literally no one has ever had a problem with him before." This is the kind of stuff they prioritize over having decent exclusives. Phil Spencer actually was a worse choice for the head of Xbox in the long term than Don Mattrick. He also approved that absolute garbage Battletoads reboot.
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3deae5 No.16798011
>>16794391
>it basically destroyed them and handed Sony an easy win
That was a nice little moment in time.
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293831 No.16798033
>>16798011
>that commercial was 7 years ago
oh God I was a teenager with a head full of dreams back then
Reality took a wrecking ball turn for the worst over my life. WHO AM I NOW
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d253c7 No.16798110
>Cucksoles
Mobile killed them and attracted half the casuals and PC raped it's corpse.
They're fucking useless, even the Switch offers very little outside brand recognition.
>>16798040
>zoomer
Go back to cuckchan you pest
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3be6bc No.16798235
>>16798040
>Zoomer
Come on now faggot. Get off the site.
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d2192f No.16798279
>>16797930
>Almost no performance improvements over windows 7
What fucking performance improvement does it have?
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000000 No.16798300
>>16794381
>How did Microsoft fuck up so hard during Generation 8?
By being leftists. Leftists always fail at everything.
>Is there a real chance for Microsoft to recover during Generation 9?
All companies run by leftists are failing. There is no chance of Microshit recovering. Soyny itself is also failing after they turned into a leftist den.
>it will be more powerful than the PS5
PCs will outpower them in less than a year, making their walled garden machines obsolete.
>their acquisitions of several studios
That will amount to nothing, since they can't manage good products anymore. They only care about pushing marxist propaganda, which ensures that they will fail.
>If M$ were smart
They aren't. Leftists are born dumb and born failures. Hence why they chose their failed ideology.
Also:
>console faggotry
Everything made for consoles comes to PC either as ports or as piracy by emulation. There was never a single reason to ever buy any consoles in the whole history of the industry.
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e3ae8c No.16798466
>>16798235
>>16798110
I've never posted on cuckchan in my life. How would you know "Zoomer" was a term from cuckchan unless you went there?
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a1f6dd No.16798488
>>16798466
>I can know zoomer from somewhere else, but he can't!
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305c43 No.16798781
>>16797949
The meme about spencer being "a true gaymer" rages on still today somehow. The guy is a complete fucking idiot. If mattick got his way the cloud gaming they are trying to use to market the ninth gen would already be a thing.
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1d8ce3 No.16798803
The lack of games was a big one with Xbone. They just, for some reason, couldn't secure exclusives, and the ones they had were shit. But it's kind of a double edged sword that MS fell on with it IMO.
A lot of the devs MS had for exclusive titles got taken over by SJW-tier cunts, and the games they pushed out were trash.
Perfect example is Mass Effect Androfaggotry. People loved the ME series and were excited for a new one, and then THAT came out. As someone who doesn't own any new consoles, I was tempted at the announcement of the new ME game, but then when I saw it….. holy shit what? This is the POWAR OF XBOX OEN PROJECT TWO SCARLET SCROPION COOLGUY GIRAFFE they keep bragging about? Fucking kill me, no thanks.
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acf1ac No.16798945
>>16794398
<Microsoft has been trying to get rid of the Xbox brand since 2014
>Xbox Series X announced
>Phil Spencer said that he's not going to stop making Xboxes
>Xbox Game Pass is getting more and more games
I don't think so, they may not be successful but they're trying.
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c6c57c No.16799045
>>16794406
Yet the irony is that the Xbox brand exists today precisely because it wasn't some retarded multimedia device.
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18d682 No.16799114
>>16794381
>Back in 2009-2010, the Xbox 360 had numerous exclusives that made the console much more appealing than the PS3. Think of games like Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect II,
>Mass Effect 2
>exclusive
>appealing
OP will always, somehow never not be a gigantic faggot.
>How did Microsoft fuck up so hard during Generation 8?
Barring the obvious (E3 2013), it didn't help the original Xbone was so underpowered it had a default resolution of 900p, at a time when 1080p was firmly the norm and 4K was right around the corner. It doesn't look good when your console defaults to a resolution lower than its competition, i.e. Sony and "the 1080p Dream" for the PS3.
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18d682 No.16799123
>>16799114
>lower than its competition
**from a decade ago.
fug
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acf1ac No.16799128
>>16799114
>1080p
>norm on consoles in 2013
L O L
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