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>>16793581

Because Grandia and PSO took the genre as far as it could possibly go, with everything else take the Pokemon approach of having the same gameplay (Just with new "twists") they've had since 1986.

persona 5 is the best to me simply because of morgana. i would give up my home and become homeless in exchange for two nights with morgana, and have him sit on my face and stuff.

>>16793612

>>16793565

The gameplay isn't even better though. Because P5's gameplay is balanced around 1 More and Baton passing. So to compensate for that, even on normal, even with the highest grade armor available, even if you're slightly over leveled for the dungeon you're in (say you're 36 and the dungeon wants you around 30-32), enemy attacks will still put you in a danger state. You take one hit in P5 and you need to heal or else the next attack is going to kill you. There is no such thing as a tanky party member in P5. Because "tanky" in P5 just means that Ryuji can take 3 hits before dying instead of 2 (and that's provided you're not burning his HP by using skills).

Because of that, boss battles really suffer. Because for some reason, the gameplay designers don't want to design the boss battles around the 1 more system and they keep getting further away from using it. In Persona 3, most Tartarus bosses had a weakness and from what I remember, none of the story bosses (with the exception of Fuukas gimmick boss fight) have weaknesses. In Persona 4, it's only the first boss that has a weakness (second boss has minions that have weaknesses so that only somewhat counts). Mini bosses don't count because every single one appears as a normal enemy later. So it's not actually a boss, but just them recycling a higher level mob.

But in P5? None of the story bosses have weaknesses and from what I could see in my multiple playthroughs, they are ALL immune to crits (as opposed to P3/P4 where early game bosses could be crit). Some of the mini-boss versions of Personas even have their weaknesses removed. Meaning that the most weakness exploitation you'll be doing is against mobs and a handful of mini-bosses.

P5's gameplay is trash (and so are 3 and 4 to a lesser extent) because the boss fights aren't a test of how smart you are about using the games systems. But a test of how good you are when the game takes gameplay systems away from you. It gets even worse in P5 because of the gimmick where you can send another party member to do an action. So not only do you lose the 1 more system, but the game then wants you to temporarily handicap your party during the boss fights. Which for some of these fights, it's required to do these actions.

The game makes everyone a glass cannon to balance out the insane amount of shit that will result from the 1 more system and baton passing (and don't even get me started about other things it needs to balance itself around like Futaba's buffs, Shinya's gun skills, etc). Only to then rip away all these systems that you spend 90% of the game with away because the gameplay designer isn't smart enough to incorporate these systems into boss fights and still maintain a challenge.

All the boss fights in P5 play out the same. Every turn you have 3 party members attacking or buffing each other, while the heal slut heals EVERY FUCKING TURN. Unlike 3 and 4, whoever your healer is WILL be healing every fucking turn with maybe 1 or 2 attacks in the whole fight if they're lucky. Which is completely different from 3 and especially from 4. I remember Yukiko getting many opportunities to attack during fights, while Morgana got most of his boss fight attacks in only during the final boss.

It's a bad joke. There was a degree of strategy to 3/4, but P5 is just 1 more abuse and then during bosses to spam full party healing and smacking the boss until it either falls over, or you have to send a teammate to do something. In 3/4, it was often that you'd want to buff during boss fights and keep your buffs up at all times. But this doesn't work in P5, because for almost every major boss, if they manage to hit a weakness or crit on your team, the first thing they will do, without fail, is to dekaja your team if you have buffs. So there is no room for any real strategy. Your best bet is just to keep hammering the boss and topping off your health when possible.

P5 is extremely disappointing, only good part is Makoto, but you spend most of her social link keeping an unrelated character from becoming cum dump. So even that is a wash.

>>16794090

I actually laughed at some of the social links because of the Sae pop-ups.

>Hang out with Shinya to play vidya

>Sae pop-up

>"Either you trained yourself to be an expert marksman or someone taught you. Who was it?"

>My sides immediately go into orbit

Persona 4 did dungeons better because it was revisiting old dungeons and every time you got a new party member, their dungeon had a new boss you could go fight (fuck the Yukiko 2nd boss, stupid Pringles King gimmick bullshit). Revisiting old dungeons meant more visual variety and better enemy variety. And also more reason to go back to them because certain side quests wanted items that were dungeon specific.

>(besides the mcdonald ceo's daughter she was ugly)

For several years, I dated a girl with the same hair, figure and fashion sense as Haru. So now its awkward to use Haru because it reminds me too much of my ex. Which is a shame because Haru learns a lot of OP skills like reflect skills, amrita shower and one-shot-kill.

Biggest problem I have with the party in P5 is that their personalities don't contrast hard enough. Yusuke is an eccentric artist who's very particular about things. You'd think that would make for fun interactions with Ryuji, but Ryuji's so lax about everything that he just brushes off anything weird Yusuke does.

Makoto is bossy and Haru is overly kind. Yet they never get into an argument because of it like people with those personalities would in real life. All of this is no doubt the result of the fact that the game has like 10 different writers that worked on it (go check the credits, the game has a stupid amount of writers).

Akechi was already done and better by Adachi. Both of them are people who got the short stick their entire life and became murderous psychopaths once they obtained power. But Adachi was cooler because there was no edgy "daddy didn't love me so I have arrested development and want revenge" backstory. Adachi was just mad with power after having no power for most of his life and his sheer madness was way more interesting than Akechi's brooding.

What really pisses me of the most in 5 is the fact that the best dungeon is the first one, I mean why bother making a a cool intro dungeon where it somewhat feels like your autistic larping shenanigans actually have an impact in the real world, just to 5 seconds later throw everthing out of the window and start showing your "IRL impact" through an online poll??? How in their right mind would think this is a good idea?

Although I must say, the new girl is a qtπ

>>16793620

>>16795239

>>16796055 (checked)

That's called recency bias and it's one of the worst things affecting the discourse around vidya. Faggots will argue until they're blue in the face that new game is better than everything because fuck you it's shiny and doesn't have tank controls.

>>16796243

And y'know, I'm wondering what happened to the other villains to make them be just evil for the sake of it.

>Kamoshida was evil because he was an olympic medalist once and his life kept going downhill from there

>Okumura was evil because he grew up so poor he could never get anything he wanted. So he'll do anything to maintain his wealth.

>Futaba's heart needs to be changed otherwise the false guilt of her mother's death will drive her to suicide.

Then it all goes to shit

>Madarame was your classic starving artist until one day he saw an opportunity to… disrespect the dead and make money off of a dead pupil's work? Which then drove him to become a leech that would live off the talent of others?

What the fuck?

>Kaneshiro has no compelling background information. Is just evil loan shark.

And don't no one bullshit me with "Oh, but that part was about Makoto's arc! Kaneshiro isn't important!" fuck you it's not important!

>The death of Sae's father, a detective, drove her to decide that she needs to win every single case no matter the cost?

This would make sense if she was always involved in cases where the death penalty could be pursued as a fucked up means of revenge. But I don't see the correlation between dead officer dad and the need to always win.

>Shido is just generic evil politician with no soul. There is no low he won't stoop to in order to get what he wants.

Kamoshida is the only genuinely sympathetic villain in the whole game. Okumura is only made to look sympathetic so that the player will feel bad when he dies after completing the dungeon.

>>16797757

>The death of Sae's father, a detective, drove her to decide that she needs to win every single case no matter the cost?

Honestly why didn't they just write off Sae's motivation for why she became a bitch was because she wanted to save her father or family's legacy and Sae realizes that her selfishness to save her family's reputation only harmed others in the long run. It would made way more sense and it would made her the most sympathetic character out of all the villains.

I don't get why anyone thinks P5 is a good game at all, the story and characters are mostly poorly written and the themes of the game either don't match some of the plot points are just retarded in general. After P4 the series has become nothing more but waifu bait for lonely weebs who desire games that give you unrealistic relationships where just doing things for people will have them fall in love with you. The game is only considered the best for gen xers and zoomers who think the game's dumbass plot points and themes are even remotely realistic and relatable to current events going on today and of the things described about the "shitty adults" can't apply to teenagers. P5 killed Persona and now the series will head towards focusing on waifu trash instead of making a story that make sense and makes the characters relatable, realistic or give you a sense a empathy towards them without them being generic or cliche anime tropes.

>>16801511

There's a chance that Persona could be saved. Because the director for 3-5 has moved on to another project. And if you look at interviews and the art books, a LOT, and I mean A FUCKING LOT, of the waifu faggotry is from the director.

A lot of female character concepts in the P5 artbook have commentary along the lines of "This character originally looked one way. But then the director said "Make her cuter" so we did, sometimes we even had to make her cuter multiple times before he was satisfied". Which I find funny because I guess the director has such an overbearing influence on the art that we aren't even allowed to see those earlier concepts in the artbook where Kawakami is visibly more tired and Takemi looks more sinister.

Honestly, if you want to talk about why Persona 5 turned out so bad, I think it's because they spent too much time on it. Because half of their original, more interesting concepts were thrown out. Even with the limited artbook that is missing a lot of art that the comments say exists, we get a picture of a very different game. Side Note: I hate that the artbook focuses on the drafts for final designs of the characters instead of showing us the design progression like previous artbooks did

>You'd get real guns out of the trunk of an actual illegal weapons dealer

>An interesting design motiff of all Thief outfits having a scarf

>A party member (likely an early design of Makoto) at one point was going to have a crossbow for their gun. That would've been cool

>Hideouts were at one point going to be in actual hideout locations, like garages, abandoned buildings, alleyways, etc.

>Overall a much gritter game in the early stages of development. Featuring art for a version of Kamoshida's dungeon that featured bloodstained classrooms littered with torture devices, more mangled and gnarly Personas, some images of Futaba's dungeon where it wasn't a generic Egyptian tomb (One in particular is cool, it's like an underground labyrinth of NEET culture

The game just seems to lose a lot of the impact of it's art and story over time. It seems like the more time the art and writing team had to polish or second guess themselves, the more soul the game lost. They've taken a really dark and gritty concept and went to far, polishing it into something too colorful and shiny for it's own good.

You can see a lot of it in the backpages of the artbook, I'd recommend everyone take a look for themselves. https://e-hentai.org/g/1054078/ad8f0100c8/?p=10

>>16801603

The director Katsura Hashino of P5 is the same guy who directed Nocturne, digital saga and devil summoner some of the best SMT games out of the series. How did he go from helping making PS2 classic to waifufagging?

What's with everyone disregarding Haru? She's cute and sweet. Basic, yeah, but I prefer a Basic QT over a poorly done "Complex" character

That aside, As someone who's never played the other Persona games, I can't speak for them. But a lot of the criticism of this thread ring true even to afirst-timer. The baton pass and all-out attacks are really nice for just burning through mobs. This would in turn, help lessen the toll JRPG grinding makes on the player. But I've never needed to grind. Granted, I'm only on Shido's palace and the game could suddenly turn into hell in the last stretch, but I don't know.

I'm also divided on the topic of the difficulty of the enemies. The enemies are super ez as long as you know weaknesses and exploit them. If you don't, you will get fucked up. Shit, if you get ambushed, it's super common to have Joker get 1-shotted, since the enemy can 1-more as well. If Joker dies its game over is super fucking dumb though. I never liked that sort of mechanic All that makes the basic fights a bit more engaging. On the other hand, it makes party members like Ryuji and especially Yusuke, kinda worthless. It feels like there is maybe like 10 enemies in the whole game that are weak to lightning. Ice has more. But with how many personas you're allowed, I never found myself wishing I had either of them in my party. I only kept Ryuji around because of his ailment curing ability. And the occasional death hit he would absorb for Joker. Yusuke was completely discarded as soon as I got him. I didnt even bother leveling up his confidant status. The Sae fight was also not nearly as annoying as I thought it'd be. I also think that the reason Kamoshida hits so much harder than the others is because he actually interacted with the player. The mob boss you see once. Dont even get to see his confession. Madarame spend a bit of time around the player, but his crimes aren't NEARLY as heinous as what Kamoshida did, leaving him.a bit weaker as a result. Okamura never even met the player. Futaba was just a lonely neet. She's was just sorta half-baked.

I'm rambling. The game is a perfect 7/10. Good music. Decent combat. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up, and stop texting me at 3 in the morning to reiterate the plot.

>>16801511

>ugh, you plebs and your inferior taste in narratives, can't you see this product is inferior because of these cherrypicked reasons that aren't even right?

<inferior to what?

>UGH you shit taste zoomer!

okay dude, we get it. you hate it because you're jaded and the game's popular. you dont need to cherrypick dumb reasons to justify yourself here, specially if the reasons you picked are all wrong.

>>16801885

A game about young people questioning authority, possibly made worse by young people who refused to question authroity.

>>16801885

>No, Kawakami shouldn't look lethargic and tired, make her cuter!

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>16801923

When her entire character can be described as lethargic and tired? Yes.

Considering her being visibly more worn out would work in favor of the game's themes? Yes.

This is a game about teenagers rebelling against an unjust and cruel society. Yet, the grittiest looking thing in the entire game is the protagonist's attic. Christ, it wouldn't hurt them to make the characters look like they're living in a cruel and unjust world. Let Kawakami have some fucking bags under her eyes. Maybe I'm fucking crazy, but I think thematic consistency in the visuals is more important than making sure that the waifus are 12% more beatoffable.

You don't even need to get rid of her clean face look. Just save it for after she quits working herself to death. There you go, a great idea, presented to you for free. Give visual progression so that you know that you've freed Kawakami from an awful life.

>>16801708

>Anyone got that image comparing Argilla from Digital Devil Saga's artbook commentary to modern waifushit designers?

Here you are. The modern waifushit was from the Fire Emblem """"""crossover"""""" that was idolshit.

>>16802012

Nocturne is SMT3.

>>16801962

I don't think it's about realism. I think it's about what is appropriate for the direction of the game. Is a woman who's supposedly being worked to death but has a pristine face without dark circles, bags or drooping eyelids a good reflection of that given that the game oh so desperately wants me to take it seriously?

I was always taught that a character's design should be as informative of their character as their words and actions (and as we can see from >>16801978, Kaneko would seem to agree). For all the male characters in Persona, this seems to be the case. Tanaka in particular is one of my favorites, because you can tell at first glance that he's a fucking snake. Look at Kawakami and tell me what in her design informs us that she's going to work herself into a hospital bed. All you have is unkempt hair to inform us of that. Which even that doesn't necessarily say that she's overworked and has no time for good personal upkeep. That could just tell us that she's lazy. Hell, the rest of her outfit seems to imply that considering she's the only teacher who is casually dressed.

We even have within this series a good example of a tired character to compare her to. Ryotaro Dojima, who's late nights of work have left him with sunken eyes, a five-o-clock shadow. He keeps his tie loose and shirt partially unbuttoned because if he's going to work 16 hour shifts, it might as well be comfy.

>>16802082

> Fuck today's youth forever for taking everything from us.

oh man, OH MAN. the irony here is so dense it devours light.

do you want to yell at the youth of today to get off your lawn too? maybe tell them how they aren't working hard enough? about how good things were "back in your days"?

get the fuck outta here grampa, go back to /qresearch/ or whatever the fuck hole you crawled out of

>cucksona

All Personas post 2 are fucking shit

>>16802082

>Fuck today's youth forever for taking everything from us.

>>16801776

>Anyone born after 1995 is a permanently brainwashed child of ZOG and is beyond saving.

>the previous generation is horrible and immature

>Darn those kids and their loser video games and their cell phones

Gosh I can feel the age getting to me every day but at least I don't shit on the young for being weird and new given that they live in the shitshow of today and thus should be treated with some patience.

Persona is still the best Persona. Not only does it have the best game design (with 2 separate playthroughs) on the smallest budget, it also tells the best story (spanning 2 separate playthroughs) with the least amount of text.

The old Atlus team were masters of doing more with less. The newer teams can't even compare. No budget in the world can cover up their lack of talent.

>>16801654

Hashino's a hack. Every good game he "directed" had other talents carrying him. In Nocturne's case, Okada was there as producer.

>>16804397

Nocturne is the original japanese version

Nocturne Maniax is the english release of the game you retarded subhuman

>>16804424

I thought they renamed it for the American release, Nocturne always sounded like a stupid subtitle to me like Lucifer's Call meme edition so I didn't think it was actually a subtitle for the game in Japan, I'm blind apparently.

>>16802057

>Little (not sister)

To make matters worse I just now remembered Nanako had issues coping with her mother’s death like fuutaba (but handled it more subtly). Good lord is the next persona game gonna kill the mama again?

It’s been said plenty but I much rather prefer P4’s cast as well. The camaraderie was more genuine, the characters were randos for the most part and were largely unordinary but your experiences and their unique personality made them memorable. P5 each character feels too self important and good at something. There’s nothing wrong with this, but since their personalities weren’t interesting and your experiences with them were forced, there’s no substance. Did anyone actually feel like they just made a very good set of friends after playing it? Or at the very least had fond memories with the characters.of p5?

>>16804508

That's up to the player. You can have 2 girls in the SEBEC route, and 3 in the Snow Queen route.

>>16801962

>but you are using the same "realism" excuse as the faggots behind DoA6 to add blood and bruises to the faces of the girls fighting

As far as I can see, that happens to all the fighters. Why do you specify "girls"? Are you such a beta that you're white-knighting imaginary women now? If the guys can bleed and bruise, there's no reason the girls shouldn't.

>>16805144

>not beating women as a male fighter

fag

>playing as women in any game period

ultra fag

>>16793565

P5 is more carried on its style and premise than its game-play or story. the story is kind of garbage compared to 3. also, P5 becomes fucking so easy after NG+ that i could beat half the bosses with my eyes closed. honestly the only best thing about P5 is futaba

So, Newcomer checking in again after doing Shido's palace.

AND HOLY FUCK DID THAT GET SHITTY REALLY FAST.

Iv'e never seen a more steep drop in quality in my life. Sae's Palace was kinda short, but had a few Gimmicks to keep it interesting, Shido's palace was just shit.

The same rooms copy/pasted a billion times that make fucking Oblivion Dungeons look intricatly crafted. The worst gimmick so far with the stupid Rat poles that has exactly 1 idea for a puzzle that they repeat 50 times, Some of the most boring enemies in the game. Specifically the Frost King fucker who has no weaknesses but has a huge HP pool for a non-boss character,

Like, The Okumura Palace was dull with much the same Final Hallway-experience of level design, but it at least had a unique theme with a few Cute robits. All Shido's Palace is. is a fuckton of the same hallways that go on for fucking ever. Oh, and Locked Doors.

and to top it off, the fight with Akechi where the writing (which has been alright?) goes into full blown FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC territory. The fact that the fight was also super long but not terribly hard (I just spammed Morgana heals and revives when Haru Inevitably got 1-shot) was really disappointing as well.

I guess this is the effect of a fucked up dev cycle. Kamoshida's Palace wasn't like, a level-design masterclass, but it had more than just the same hallway repeated ad-infintum.

Fuck me Shido's palace was ass.

>>16797757

>>16796243

I must disagree with a few of these.

>Okumura

Before getting into his character. its worth nothing that Okumura and Big Bang Burger are referenced to the real world sociological phenomena present in the fast food industry that has spread to other parts of society.

The phenomena is called "McDonaldization".

Essentially there are 4 pillars to it

Efficiency

>Everything is done as fast a possible.

Calculability

>Quality is ignored. Everything is understood in quantities.

Predictability

>Everything is the same.

Control

>standardized and uniform employees, replacement of human by non-human technologies

I could copy and past more of the wikipedia article on it, but it doesn't do it full justice.

Key aspects not mentioned include the "deskilling" of labor. The essayist way I can illustrate it with the following statements:

>McDonalds serves food, yet it there are no chefs on staff.

>McDonalds has turned the culinary act of cooking a burger into something that someone with no culinary skills whatsoever can accomplish.

>McDonalds creates burgers not though cooking but though assembly.

>McDonalds employees do not have to be capable of reading or writing to take orders from customers.

Hence his palace is an assembly line with robots. Robot have no skills, they perform a programed task.

As for the common destruction of the employees and the lack of concern for them burning out, fast food restaurants have insane turnover rates.

>Panarabread has a 100% turnover rate.

This doesn't actually mean that every single employee that they hire will be gone by the end of the year, its calculated as pic related.

This is why businesses can have a turnover rate of over 100%, which is common for the food industry.

To fully understand what they were going with for Okumura you also need to think about his palaces' view on the food industry in contrast the players experience working at the Ore no Beko.

>Efficiency

Gameplay wise, in contrast to what the game may lead you to believe narrative wise. There is no time limit for getting the orders correct. The work at the Ore no Beko is not efficient.

>Calculability

Getting orders correct is a big deal at Ore no Beko. It's not about how many orders can get served, its about how many CORRECT orders you can get served. Gameplay wise the player is rewarded for this with greater compensation. In contrast, to real world fast food restaurants, its not really about getting the orders correct.

>Predictability

The player can get the orders wrong one night and perfect another during the rush and the player won't get fired. This is because there is no assumption of predictability for the customers. They know that during a rush, order may be gotten wrong.

>Control

The player may have to put on a uniform, there are however, no mechanization in the process. Orders are given to a human being who has to remember them. In real world fast food restaurants, the orders are entered into a computer that using buttons that have picture, not words, so that people who cannot read or write can take orders.

>>16805202

>give me the chance to save him

Why would you want to do that? He deserved to die.

>>16805202

I think that the reason you can't is that he himself is far too gone and broken to really pull himself back from the brink, and martyring himself like that was the only way he saw he could atone.

And there's also the issue that Akechi has killed like, a LOT of people. All the other villains have done terrible things, but nothing on the level of psychotic murder that Akechi has. Sure, Madarame commited murder via inaction, but that's still only manslaughter. And that's also only one person. Akechi "Get Smoked" Goro however, has potentially murdered dozens, severely injured hundreds and ruined the lives of countless families in pursuit of his "revenge". Hes on a totally different level from the others, save Shido. I also haven't finished the game yet though, so I have no idea what happens when you steal shido's treasure. FUCK shido's palace though

That all being said, I still cant help but wish there was SOMETHING you could do. Like when shadow amechi offers to tale the life of one of your party, I swore joker was gunna be given the opportunity, but nah. Pancakes boy gets murdered. Maybe this will change in P5:R. It probably will.

>>16794090

>Walks into laundromat

>World freezes and you hear strange music

>Cutscene to interrogation room with Sae

>"You couldn't have gone far without washing your clothes. Who was washing them?"

>You avert your eyes

Game was great until you got the powerful HAXOR so first 2 chapters

>>16805579

i still feel it would have been cooler if you were at least given the OPTION to dive under the divider to do a super hard 1v1 boss battle with cognitive akechi

if you won than you could convince akechi that suicide via martyr-ism isn't a way to get out of his crimes and avoid justice and have him admit to his crimes in a court of law. maybe he's moved by the MC and decides to help the party in shido's palace by doing it their way instead of straight up murdering people before he takes himself to jail. idk i just feel like akechi was a missed opportunity to write a good character arc.

>>16805579

It both does and doesn't. P5R spoilers: Akechi is still ambiguous to if he's dead, but new villain creates a false utopia for the Phantom Thieves where everyone gets their deepest desire. This includes Akechi coming back. Although Akechi maintains his true nature, being very cold and direct with his dialogue. Akechi is the first to realize that it's all an illusion because he knows he shouldn't be there (whether this means he's dead or not is conveniently avoided). Akechi returns to the party for the new palace, staying in his black mask form and disappears alongside the new palace

Regardless of the ambiguity surrounding his fate. I get the feeling that Akechi will be retconned to 100% is alive without any doubt for the fighting game (which is coming, ArcSys just put it on hold because the Gran Blue game was bigger money). Because those are canon but often with fan fiction tier writing I like the Adachi redemption arc as much as the next guy, but it was poorly written

>>16805819

aside from him just up and disappearing and not having to face the law…

>>16806045

And god fucking damnit the spoiler tag doesnt work like that and the delete post function is busted.. fuck.

>>16805997

Which would fit Akechi's character. Since all of his weapons are toys meant to show his arrested development from growing up as an orphan. Him ripping off a manga character for his outfit seems natural. Another detail I forgot is that Akechi's s. link is no longer automatic. You have to do a few ranks manually. Including one s. link where to progress you have to defeat Akechi in a 1v1

>>16806005

P5R has been out in Japan since Halloween.

>>16806010

Kasumi is alright. The dumb twist to her arc was really unnecessary and doesn't add much to her character. The biggest fumble with Kasumi is that it seems that they're trying too hard to not make her Marie 2.0.

Marie was made to be almost TOO important in P4G, while Kasumi feels like she's detached. Most of her involvement feels like someone opened up the cinematics editor and plopped her in. They went from one extreme to another. Although like P4G, you need to max her s. link and the other new s. link in order to do the new dungeon and get the true ending (which I have not seen).

>>16806038

>>16806031

And they really are. P4A takes place in the time between P4 and P4G's new ending. While the P5 musou is a direct sequel that happens six months after the events of P5 (and I guess the delayed fighting game will take place sometime before that). It'll be interesting to see if any of these tie into the cliffhanger ending of P5 or if Atlus will go full Final Fantasy and make a P5-2 at some point.

>>16806141

i-i dont know. i just wanted to 100% the game.

also the main battle theme strikes a cord with my autism.

>>16806151

>>16806579

I honestly really like the idea of the shido bossfight, as most of the bosses hid behind some bs like a giant mech or increasing their size by 30ft. it was neat to see shido get his ass kicked and than decide to fuck you up with his bare hands anyway. its a shame they dont really build his character at all besides dictator and corrupt politician

also i thought it was real cool when he flexed out of his weird weight training suit

>>16806732

>gachi armor

>>16806060

That's an insult to Armstrong, he's not anything close to him a bootleg Armstrong would still at least have memorable quotes good or bad.

>>16806818

>>16806784

i spent WAY too fucking long on this for how shit an edit this is.

>>16806800

>>16806579

>Final Boss (fake out in Persona 5)

>Politician

>Talks shit about the unenlightened/ignorant masses

>Has glasses

>Muscular

>Fights with his bare hands

He is a bootleg. A bootleg by nature does not respect the source material.

>>16806732

Shido is a huge missed opportunity. They warn you ahead of time that he "knows the metaverse well". But all this amounts to is that he can give himself extra actions during the battle. Could have been an opportunity for a dungeon and boss fight that could have turned the game's mechanics on their head. Instead, the game spent so long in development hell that his inclusion is the most bland and rushed of them all.