3f277c No.16792139[Last 50 Posts]
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2019/december/quantum-teleportation.html
Ready for the zero lag almost free internet future? Just gotta deal with a 9% package loss
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c0c49f No.16792141
this also means we can be datamined much easier using less computers
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3f277c No.16792144
>>16792141
that would happen regardless of quantum computers
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11ebbd No.16792147
>the year is 2040
>teleport yourself
>lose 9% of your body
>lose penis and some brain mass
>become girl
The future is hot.
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515dd6 No.16792148
>>16792147
fuck off trannyposter
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067cf0 No.16792150
>US/China tries to roll out information teleportation intranet
>turns out there's a buffer space that both molecules use to sync up with themselves
>the buffer space is full of demons demons, shit similar to Elemental Plane of Fire or Gensokyo and they track the activity to us
>we get a demon invasion straight out of DOOM, Resonance Cascade or magical girls IRL
Can't wait.
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758d0c No.16792176
>>16792147
Did you even read the article? This isn't even teleportation, this is exploiting a facet of quantum mechanics. Journos are just clickbaiting faggots.
Basically, if you split a particle in half whatever you do to the first half will affect the second half instantly. It could be on the other side of the universe and it will still affect it instantly. It's called entanglement.
This is something I thought about when I first heard of this phenomenon as a kid, it would allow instant commutation with all of our future rovers and satellites in the solar system. Literally faster than light commutation.
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9c8baa No.16792198
>>16792150
Day of The Warp when?
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68fa58 No.16792221
>>16792176
It also means that the upper limit of computer processing speed is determined by how quickly these quantum particles can be manipulated in parallel. Current CPU speeds are determined by lightspeed and minimum size. They keep going smaller in order to minimize the distance for electron travel and/or fit more parallel processors within the same "acceptable" delay-distance, but can only go so small.
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79747d No.16792230
>>16792176
Wasn't it impossible for information to travel faster than light?
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7a8cce No.16792247
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758d0c No.16792278
>>16792230
Not really, entanglement was always an avenue for instant information transfer. Physicists shouldn't be making predictions for technology which they don't even understand, a big problem for them is how often they overstep their boundaries.
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f652e4 No.16792282
>>16792147
>become girl
You'll still be fat and fugly tho
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986996 No.16792337
>>16792150
>the buffer space is full of demons demons, shit similar to Elemental Plane of Fire or Gensokyo and they track the activity to us
>the DDS is now physically possibly
>you can now join the demifiend as you journey and fuse to punch YHWH in the face
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746442 No.16792346
>>16792150
I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME
IT IS A GOOD PAIN
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15e7b8 No.16792353
>>16792230
According to theory it's impossible for classical information to travel faster than light. Quantum information however can travel faster than light. Spooky action can transmit classical information but only at light speed.
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5d3f09 No.16792362
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5d3f09 No.16792366
>>16792362
whoops, wrong image
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e9af93 No.16792368
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d5ccc1 No.16792394
>>16792230
Take a black and red ball. Put them in a bag and shake them. Take one out but dont look at it yet. Travel to the other side of the universe. Look at the ball. Instantly know the colour of the other ball. Wow faster than light.
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758d0c No.16792431
>>16792394
That's not even an oversimplification, what you just posted is a complete and unabashed misunderstanding of how this entire process works.
The University of Bristol and Technical University of Denmark built two nano-scale circuits that utilized entanglement. The exact particles used were photons. The state of a particle is known as quantum information, causing one particle to mimic another particle's state without directly acting upon the second particle is known as entanglement swapping, or "quantum teleportation". By rapidly changing a particle's state, you can in theory send large amounts of information instantaneously.
The effects on one of these photonic chip affected the other with a success rate of 91%. The key thing to note is that this can't work with "classical information", as in the 1's and 0's that our modern computers use. To utilize quantum communication technologies would require creating an entirely different encoding system built around particle states, which is going to severely limit their usage.
Like I said earlier, this is probably going to be used for future rovers and satellites. The speed of light is so fast that we have virtually no reason to use entanglement swapping, anyway. Moon missions probably won't even use it as the delay is measured in mere seconds.
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063658 No.16792433
>>16792431
are you so new that you can't recognize a joke when you see it?
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cb669b No.16792436
>>16792148
Get with the times buddy, non-binary genders are coming next. Making games that don't let you select non-binary as a gender will be a hate crime someday.
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2d4c0a No.16792445
>>16792431
Other anon is right about you not noticing a fairly obvious joke, but:
>To utilize quantum communication technologies would require creating an entirely different encoding system built around particle states, which is going to severely limit their usage.
>Like I said earlier, this is probably going to be used for future rovers and satellites.
These are important points that I think people should pay attention to. I keep hearing about how quantum computing is going to change the world of computer science as we know it but no one has really explained to me what the advantages of it are aside from "well it makes things faster." I don't really understand how it would make them faster, or what kind of design a quantum processor would have.
So that being said
Can anyone explain to me how the fuck any of this would work?
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063658 No.16792448
>>16792445
>go to the other side of the universe
>call mom on my cellphone
>INSTANT FTL DATA TRANSFER
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2c8574 No.16792449
Gell-Mann Amnesia
Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.
This nigga explain perfectly what really happens: >>16792394
No information is transmitted, if you try to insert external info or even try to observe the internal info, you break the entanglement.
It's just journos being journos, always believe the opposite a journo says, you are more likely to be right.
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758d0c No.16792456
>>16792445
Quantum computing is different, that's about using qubits (quantum-bits) to as opposed to regular bits. It exploits superpositioning.
It you asked a classical computer what two numbers would you have to multiply to get to a specific extremely large number like 8471548655934475478465567423785640558346478693460000012, it would have to go one by one through each number until it found the right answer. That could take millions or even billions of years. A quantum computer is able to go through every answer (assuming you had enough qubits) and it would tell you virtually instantly. It would allow you to do extremely difficult calculations in superpositioning through all the answers instead of going one by one.
However, this isn't going to arrive in your home anytime soon. Quantum computers require being kept at near absolute zero, and the kinds of purposes normal users have computers for don't really need such technology. In fact, qubits are actually worse at certain things than bits are. I believe video games are an example.
>>16792448
Physicists hate him!
>>16792449
>No information is transmitted, if you try to insert external info or even try to observe the internal info, you break the entanglement.
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about? You're confusing entanglement swapping for the observer effect. Entanglement happens regardless of observation.
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fd790a No.16792470
>>16792456
>>16792449
That might might have a point: observation causes super positioning. One response I've seen to this "discovery" is that they got a 91% sucess rate because they were observing it and controling/expecting that result.
It might not work, or maybe that's actually the key to using it properly.
As for the entanglement, the second anon is right: observing it does not break entanglement.
The two things together however make a rather curious effect: the system becomes "read-only" when you're looking at it, and when you want to write something, you must stop observing it.
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80f18d No.16792477
>>16792147
Only for (((you))).
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68fa58 No.16792499
>>16792470
I've always had my doubts about the observer effect. Tell me anon, what exactly defines an "observer" in this context?
As far as I know, in order to observe quantum particles you need some kind of device for seeing it, and you need a person or device for recording or interpreting what is seen. Does the observer effect require both? What if we replaced the person looking at the microscope with an insect, capable of "seeing" but incapable of understanding? Why doesn't a bacterium "observe"? How does the particle know the difference between a camera that's on and one that's off? What about God, who sees all, or is the observer effect proof of the nonexistence of such a God? Am I just confused about what triggers the effect and it's actually been misnamed/misrepresented?
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9ad931 No.16792504
>>16792499
Observation is simply interaction with other atoms. To observe something, photons must hit what you are observing, and this unavoidably changes their behaviour.
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68fa58 No.16792505
>>16792504
That's certainly a lot more logical, but now it's more of a dark/light thing and has nothing at all to do with whether or not something is being "observed", just a question of whether or not light is allowed to reach it or not, which is "yes" by default.
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fd790a No.16792507
>>16792499
>>16792504
Observation is badly defined in this case.
I mean, the most common idea people have about the observer is that it's like taking a photo with flash: the flash flares up and alters the image. However, that's not what the observer effect actually is.
Imagine you have a spinning sphere. One half Blue, one half red.
Now imagine you take a photo whenever the "red" side is facing the camera. You'd assume the ball is red. But you also know it can be blue because sometimes you can photgraph the "blue" side.
Now take it one step further: you can program a camera to take a photo whenever the ball completes a spin, or is at a certain angle, or you yell a word. Any set of parameters.
With a certain set of parameters, you'll get a certain set of outcomes.
For instance, if you program it to take a photo every spin, you'll always get the same result (one colour). So the ball is 100% red (for instance.
Or you could program it to take the photo every 90º degrees. The ball is now 50% Red, 50% blue. Or you could scream everytime you saw it blue, program the camera to react to your scream and the ball would be 100% blue.
That's pretty much what the observer effect is: you don't really change the particle, it's just your perception that changes.
If you want a more practical example, look up aliasing (especially in signal processing theory). You can see this whenever you see a circle with spokes rotating. After reaching a certain speed, it looks like the circle is rotating backward. A phenomena caused by how your eyes perceive the circle. As soon as it loses some speed, it seems to rotate the right way again. Your eyes don't affect the circle's speed, but your perception changes.
If you ask me, I think that would be a better way to pursue Quantum Entanglement theories in a way you could apply it to data transfer. Try to control how we PERCEIVE particle, not actually manipulating them.
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fd790a No.16792510
>>16792507
Can't believe I forgot the most obvious example too. Schroedingers Cat.
Zombie cat jokes aside, the paradox is not about the cat suddendly being in an eldritch pocket dimension. The actual state of the cat isn't even important.
It's your perception of the cat.
Before putting it on the box, you can perceive it as ALIVE. The cat is 100% Alive.
After the cat is in the box, you can never be sure if he's alive or dead. Your perception of the cat changed: you can't see him breathing or meowing. However, you do know that after a certain time, the cat will be DEAD. Let's say the poison-device activates at a random time between 1 seconds and 60 seconds.
Here's what you can mathematically define as your perception:
>at 0 seconds, the cat is 100% ALIVE and 0% DEAD
>at 60 seconds, the cat is 0% ALIVE and 100% DEAD
>since the chance the poison device has already been triggered rise from 0% to 100% from 1 to 60 seconds, the chance the cat is alive is inversely proportional to this
>thus, from 1 to 60 seconds, the cat is X% ALIVE, and 100-X% DEAD where X increases roughyl 1.667 per second.
The stupid thing to say is "Oh, opening the box, aka: observing, has a chance to kill the cat, and that chance increases with time!"
But once again, if you open the box (observe) and see a dead cat, it means the cat was simply dead. What changed was your perception, not the cat.
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fd790a No.16792512
What this paradox means in relation to this article is also somewhat simpler to explain:
Quantum entaglement means there's two boxes, with two cats. And the poison device is set to go off AT THE SAME TIME (for instance, radio controlled). Meaning, whenever one cat dies, the other dies too.
One particle changes, the other changes too.
However, the uncertainty of wether the cats are alive is still the same. Opening one box will kill both cats. So observing the system does not break the entanglement. However, you still cannot use this system to transmit information.
Imagine you had a box with a cat, and gave your neighbour the other box. You tell them "Alright, when your cat dies, it means my sports team scored a goal, and I'm sending that info to you".
It only looks simple because you only need to transmit a single "True/False" statement. A single bit. And the cat can be "Off/On" like a bit too, right? The problem comes to Writing the actual information on the cat.
One way to achieve this is to open the box. The cat dies, your information is transmitted. But after the 60 seconds, the same information is also transmitted. In fact, according to your neighbours perception, your team didn't score a goal at the 0 seconds mark, and then score a certain percentage of a goal over the next 60 seconds, after which it would have, with 100% certainty, scored a goal. Because the cat is now 100% dead, right?
Quantum Entanglement means we can see information. The Observer effect means we have (for the time being) no real way of writing it. So it's a computer with Read-Only Memory. Still has it's uses, but not for the average Joe.
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fd790a No.16792516
As a curiosity note, there is one exotic theory I'm a fan off that could take off in the next decade.
Being a "read-only" method isn't entirely bad. You have many sites that are read-only after all. Many things can just be built a certain hard-locked way. Books for instance.
You could use this idea to transmit information by arranging known particles with known states under specific observation parameters.
If you knew photons emitted from Gold, when struck with a 420 lumens light beam always read as "1" or wathever constant value you define, and the same photons emitted from coal in the same conditions always read as "0", you could essentially build an atomic-level ROM memory. Just arrange atoms in a specific sequence, insert into a photon emitter, and use the resulting reflect ed photons as your entanglement particles to essentially "broadcast" the information you've hard-coded in your Atomic-ROM.
Or you could send them an email and not spend billions of dollars trying to put newly found and barely research tech in the market for some Wall Street fucker to make buck off of it.
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71a980 No.16792518
>>16792139
But entangled particles weren't able to relay information. At least that is how it always has been.
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758d0c No.16792530
Wait, why the fuck is this on /v/? This has nothing to do with vidya.
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3c5f33 No.16792546
Does that mean that pirating games and torrent as a whole will much easier and faster?
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758d0c No.16792549
>>16792546
Read the thread. This is a very specific technology that won't see widespread use.
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563578 No.16792554
>>16792144
>>16792144
>that would happen regardless of quantum computers
>>16792139
How soon until people admit theoretical Physics a bullshit field? Theoretical physics gave us nothing but hipster fake celebrity scientists like Bill nye. While quantum physics got shit done.
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d5ccc1 No.16792668
>>16792456
Im pretty sure with the factorisation thing it's nowhere even close to instantaneous. It changes the complexity from exponential to polynomial time. Meaning modern private key cryptography gets broken like RSA. I think if you had a TB size number to factorise it would still take a long for a quantum computer to do.
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6003c5 No.16792721
>>16792549
>won't see widespread use
just wait and see
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758d0c No.16792725
>>16792721
This is different, the tech requires entangled chips. This means you have to have a chip that's been entangled with other chips, which wouldn't really work at a large scale. It will mostly be used for one-on-one communication.
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c0b606 No.16792730
>At least 10,000 times light speed
>Possibly instantaneous everywhere
Oh shit son, this is cool and all, but we're also potentially giving away our position to every alien threat in the universe.
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000000 No.16792744
>>16792139
>>16792721
>Falling for the new gimmick every time
>Muh this one is the future! We guarantee!
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98e1d8 No.16792746
>>16792726
Even physicists don't have a full understanding of some of this shit. Quantum theory is one of, if not our most successful scientific theories of all time and it's still partially black magic nigger voodoo to those who work on it every day. So don't feel bad. Just because some anon sounds like they know what they are talking about doesn't mean they actually do.
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c0b606 No.16792753
>>16792746
The confusion is exacerbated by a few scientists who just spin BS data and theories, muddying the waters and inhibiting greater understanding of the subject.
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12979c No.16792764
>>16792726
It's just autistic people trying to look smart. The obvious joke about becoming a girl from losing brain mass has gone so far over their head they defaulted to trannyposting, and they failed to say anything about how quantum entanglement can be used from an engineering perspective. Don't worry, they are saying nothing of value.
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ed6894 No.16792766
>>16792726
Stop thinking in 3 dimensions. Think in no dimensions. Everything is really right next to each other. Every atom is rubbing against each other all at the same time.
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c0b606 No.16792773
>>16792766
BUT THAT'S GAY!?
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390a6d No.16792774
>>16792766
>every dick in the universe is rubbing on this anon's face at the same time
That's really really gay
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ed6894 No.16792777
>>16792774
When a man's penis ejaculates: he bukakkes the universe.
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68fa58 No.16792898
>>16792725
It's perfect for use inside a single computer. Assuming you can make the entire process efficient enough, you can entangle individual nodes across a single CPU or whatever to make that chip faster than lightspeed limits currently allow. We're talking exponential growth in CPU/GPU power here and no known upper limit.
In taking advantage of the distance, you could use them as internet backbone hubs. They can theoretically send large amounts of data from one continent to another, eliminating the lag from long distance communications. Most of the network would still use conventional data transfer, it's only after gathering everything into one place that the point to point quantum communications come into play.
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3f277c No.16792914
>>16792530
zero lag internet is videogames
>>16792725
>It will mostly be used for one-on-one communication
Did you knew that the internet is made of a web of one-to-one communication connections?
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68fa58 No.16792948
>>16792914
Most of them are non-fixed. One packet might go from A to B to C, the next goes from A to E to F, or A to D to C. Each individual communication goes 1 to 1, but there are an incredible number of potential routes it could take.
With entanglement, you would need to fix one pair of devices together, -permanently. A would always have to go to B, and B to A. Naturally you can still connect different devices with other pairs, so B is also connected to C which allows data to transmit in sequence, but each paring is (semi)permanent and has to be done in a lab.
The trick to making that useful is finding long distances that send lots of data between two specific nodes. You can easily pair one device in the USA with another in Japan and route all the international data through those two devices. They still have to travel a bit inside those countries, but it eliminates the time needed to go halfway around the world.
Of course shorter distances are useful too. Imagine if your RAM and CPU were entangled.
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3f277c No.16792986
>>16792948
>Most of them are non-fixed
What are you even smoking? Does your adsl cable goes around every night changing which computer it is connected to?
All computers are connected to a one-to-one connection of the 'little blue or gray or rarely yellow internet cable' or something that serves the same purpose. These hardly ever change, what does change, is how each connection is routed by little computers, called switches or routers, that have very very many one-to-one connections on them
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9feb44 No.16793033
As far as I remember there are only like 50 of those split quantum pairs right now.
If we had loads like billions application in CPUs would make sense. (only to cover the distances, calculation stays regular)
But internet infrastructure could also profit.
And at the end we could use it for mobile. That would end all mobile phone radiation.
Or is there some split quantum radiation we don't know of yet?
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96988e No.16793043
>>16793033
>Or is there some split quantum radiation we don't know of yet?
I doubt we can rape our timeline that much more than it already is
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9feb44 No.16793047
>>16793043
There is always more to fuck up. So don't fuck it up.
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000000 No.16793670
ITT: people who don't get quantum physics
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3d6920 No.16803221
>>16792431
>By rapidly changing a particle's state, you can in theory send large amounts of information instantaneously.
This is absolute bullshit and you're obviously talking about things you don't have the slightest idea about.
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05a321 No.16803251
>>16792554
>Theoretical physics gave us nothing but hipster fake celebrity scientists like Bill nye.
<theoretical physics gave us an entertainer with a mechanical engineering bachelor
>While quantum physics got shit done.
<no quantum physics has ever been theoretical
Congrats anon, this might be the least intelligent post in the thread.
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>>16792512
Cant you send your pal like a billion cats, constantly open like 1000 at a time, and then calculate when the goal was scored by number of cats dead
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