9bd099 No.16790857[Last 50 Posts]
I'm surprised this didn't get a thread yet due to the hilarity of the rumor, but apparently apple is making a esports gaming PC for 5,000 dollars. What's funny about this to me is that Steve Jobs actually hated games as quoted by John Carmack on a facebook post that went into the relationship between Carmack and Jobs.
>Several things over the years made me conclude that, at his core, Steve didn’t think very highly of games, and always wished they weren’t as important to his platforms as they turned out to be.
Now normally I would just laugh off this rumor and go back to playing Raidou. However It's not just Apple, all of a sudden due to the mainstream discovering competitive gaming, all these non gaming companies are trying to get a piece of the pie without actually investing in gaming itself. I would say keep an eye on "esports/gaming" merchandise to be the next big industry push, especially when it comes to the asian market that seems to go crazy for esports. Expect more Game Pass, Apple Arcade and Stadia like services from companies who have no idea what the fuck a JRPG is.
https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2019/12/rumor-apple-plans-to-launch-a-new-high-end-mac-in-2020-designed-to-address-the-esports-market.html
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5ba9f3 No.16790860
i don't think anyone here in their right mind would buy this unless they're a phoneposter
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558cab No.16790861
I hope they do this, the trainwreck will be fun to watch and hopefully one of the nails in the coffin
>>16790860
apple is a billion dollar company for a reason.
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a04b92 No.16790862
>>16790857
How is this going to work exactly? Macs have mice with only a single button, instead of the LMB/RMB set up. Is this going to be a mac or a Apple built PC?
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c77d3e No.16790865
It's safe to assume that anyone who wants to get into esports™ either
>has a PC capable of running the esports focused multiplayer games, which I don't think they need a monster PC unless they want World of Tanks which intrinsically runs like shit on anything.
>is a child whom I doubt can convince a parent to drop 5k on something when they can just get a console for the tenth of the price
>has enough knowledge in building PCs or at least caution to ask on the internet what to do and most likely the answer will be building something that will most likely never reach 5K even with gamer chairs™ and gamer glasses™ and whatnot
I'm calling bullshit on the 5k price tag. I know apple shit is ridiculously expensive but I doubt the """"""gamers""""" on apple products want to be esports players. This will probably be dead on arrival like 90% of esports focused multiplayer games.
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e13ec1 No.16790867
>>16790857
>More no gaems then linux
>Expect to be able to jump in to gaming
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3ffb04 No.16790869
>>16790857
>Apple is going to be making Gaming PC
What version of Windows will it run?
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fdbab9 No.16790875
>>16790857
OH BOY PIPPIN II
Which reminds me, when is Apple going to retire its current hardware aesthetic? It was getting old 10 years ago. Aren't there enough hipster Mac customers to demand some retro styled shit at least?
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3ffb04 No.16790876
>>16790865
Maybe if they focused on the Semi-Pro and Casual-Pro markets, then marketed to normies - then 15 years ago they could have had a decent shot at selling an "All in One" portable gaming machine that had modular design for upgradability to semi-cutting edge parts with dead-simple installation.
But LAN parties are a relic of the past, so there's no real market for portable PCs outside of collage students and industrial use, let alone portable PCs with competitive-level graphics performance. LAN has been replaced with Twitch Streaming and Discord chats, so you don't need to move your system around to meet up and play leagues with your friends.
If LAN were still a thing (and it may come back as a fashion trend, never as a utilitarian necessity), then a portable and highly customizable full-powered gaming machine might be profitable. But that's a VERY small market.
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fdbab9 No.16790879
>>16790876
>But LAN parties are a relic of the past
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217e3b No.16790881
>>16790857
>gaming PC for 5,000 dollars
That's a stupid price. Gaming laptops usually run 2k-3k on the higher end. Even for an apple product, that's just stupid.
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4de3fc No.16790888
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e307dd No.16790889
Steve Jobs had a very good reason for hating video games, back in the late 90's he tried to make Mac OS a viable platform only to watch Microsoft steal Bungie and Halo away from them(they had to port it to the mac years later as part of the agreement). Getting Carmack on board back in 1999 to advertise Quake 3 on their platform was a mistake considering what garbage their OS was back then combined with the poor GPU compatibility and weak PowerPC chips that were available. The geeky crowd Carmack attracts did nothing but tear the Macintosh brand apart online.
There was a legitimate attempt by Apple in the 1998-2001 period to take video games seriously and they screwed up. This new esports thing is just cashing in on a fad or to placate investors as their OpenGL and Vulkan support has been terrible for the last few years since they've pushing their own Metal API. Right now PC gaming on Linux is in a better state than Mac.
>>16790862
Even back in the G3 days you could plug a normal mouse in an Apple computer. Their one button mouse is intended for office workers that really don't need an extra button to confuse them.
>>16790875
That thing was practically all done by Bandai back when Apple clones were a thing. There was no real involvement by Apple.
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a13d83 No.16790891
>>16790862
>Is this going to be a mac or a Apple built PC?
Macs have been Apple-built PCs ever since Apple ditched PPC in favor of x86. That's why Hackintosh (installing MacOSX on a regular PC) is possible.
>>16790875
>Mac customers
>demand
Mutually exclusive things. Apple customers do what the company says.
>>16790881
>That's a stupid price.
Apple offers a monitor stand for 1000USD
forbes.com/sites/curtissilver/2019/06/04/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-monitor-stand-ultimate-dongle/
5K$ for a Fortnite/CSGO machine is nothing to them.
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0e136d No.16790895
>>16790865
Anon, they successfully sold a thousand dollar monitor stand. Not a monitor, a monitor stand. 5k for a "gayming" computer isn't outrageous by their fucking standards. And imagine all the Fortnite players that already use iPhones on a daily basis and use Macs to edit their jewtube videos. Wannabe Ninjas, they'd get this.
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e13ec1 No.16790899
>>16790895
>successfully sold
I am going to have see the numbers to believe that.
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ab8777 No.16790902
>>16790879
that's not even the worst.
ran lan-parties up to a few hundred back then. same friends I did it with went to one a few years back for shits n giggles
>almost no tourneys
>lol/dota everywhere
>network locked down because muh filetransfers
>full of normalfags
>bbq and stuff like volleyball felt more crowded than the main event
closest you'll get is having some friends get together, but that's even less reason to move shit around
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3dfcad No.16790917
I swear to god if this faggotry kneecaps linux I'm going to chuck.
Worst thing is apple reasonably has software support to potentially defang microsoft but they refuse to get out of their position of screwing everyone that is ever stupid enough to give them money, because "what are you gonna do? Go to windows?"
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3dfcad No.16790919
>>16790879
On the bright side, it's at least easier than ever to play online with a close knit group, and voip isn't radioactive garbage now.
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0aea74 No.16790921
>>16790875
I miss the 90s beige aesthetic. I wish a company who makes towers like Corsair or something would do one.
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3dfcad No.16790923
>>16790921
Oh what don't you like
BLACK METAL
AND EXCLUSIVELY BLACK METAL?
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fdbab9 No.16790927
>>16790921
I miss that shit so fucking bad. I never thought I would, but I do. Hell I even miss the 80's wood grain aesthetic.
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92632c No.16790928
>>16790857
I still don't understand how Apple is successful. Anything they make you can get for like 1/4 of the price normally, plus you won't be tied down by their shitty OS.
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3ffb04 No.16790929
>>16790927
I've really been wanting to get some kind of woodgrain console skin for a long time, but I can never bring myself to hard mod my systems or deface them. The only exception I ever made was installing a flip-top lid on my PS2 for playing imports, because my autism for Phantasy Star over-rode my autism for console preservation. That, and I didn't like the idea of prying open my dvd drive just to hot-swap disks.
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3dfcad No.16790931
>>16790928
If you want a cynical answer, microsoft would get fucking railed as the monopoly they are if apple didn't exist in the home computing space.
Less cynically, they're one of two (real) options in the home computing market.
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4075f8 No.16790933
>>16790921
just get a white plastic tower, hand it to your chainsmoking uncle/grandfather and have it live with him for a couple months or so and boom natural beige tower
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3d7e36 No.16790934
>>16790928
Apple products are jewels. It's not about usability or price, it's about recognition and status.
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3dfcad No.16790937
>>16790933
>Deliberately ruining a pc case with Tar and shit when technology has come to a point where we can make nice beige shit without extremely chemically volatile pigments
That's not what people want you turbo faggot
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4075f8 No.16790939
>>16790937
then make one yourself because I ain't gonna
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fdbab9 No.16790940
>>16790929
If you ever get the urge to do it yourself know that there quite a number of wood graining tools on the market. With some practice and a spare case I'm sure you could come up with something nice.
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3dfcad No.16790941
>>16790939
You couldn't even make a paper bag
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4075f8 No.16790942
>>16790941
I put a paper bag on you're mom's face to hide her hideous visage while she blows me
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fdbab9 No.16790943
>>16790934
Why are they all taking photos of a fucking piece of zamak?
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3d7e36 No.16790945
>>16790937
You are too dumb to understand sarcasm.
He was saying there was no "beige aesthetic", fucking hipster faggot.
The color of these products were white, beige is caused by a fucking defect in the AFA and exposure to light.
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3ddf8b No.16790946
>>16790923
BLACK METAL is at least practical and easy to deal with. The fad that I personally detest is tempered glass side panels. Had a case with those once. Never again. Instead of undoing two thumbscrews (or just pressing a plastic latch) and pulling the panel back, you undo four thumbscrews and then carefully pry that shit open because it typically sits flush with the rest of the chassis. The glass is fragile, so you have to take your time and absolutely cannot rush. That alone discourages frequent tinkering. It also has terrible heat conductivity. All for the sake of muh looks.
>>16790928
>I still don't understand how Apple is successful.
Jobs had a cult of personality built aroung him. In public, he always had that relaxed and slightly cheeky demeanor that projected the idea as though he was comfortably in control of the situation. He also rarely used impenetrable corporate speak, employing more plain wording. When the infamous iPhone 4 cellular antenna fiasco happened, he didn't apologize or put out a lengthy explanation. He just said "You're holding it wrong". That kind of absolutely brazen confidence is why lots of normalfags worshipped him: he was a Chad who made them his bitches.
Also this >>16790934 Apple positions their products as premium solutions for patricians, and that owning one will instantly elevate you above the dirty and jealous sour grapes plebs.
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3dfcad No.16790948
>>16790945
>Trying to convince someone who bought a computer back then that it wasn't the color I bought it as
Are you really this stupid?
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fdbab9 No.16790951
>>16790946
>The fad that I personally detest is tempered glass side panels. Had a case with those once. Never again. Instead of undoing two thumbscrews (or just pressing a plastic latch) and pulling the panel back, you undo four thumbscrews and then carefully pry that shit open because it typically sits flush with the rest of the chassis. The glass is fragile, so you have to take your time and absolutely cannot rush. That alone discourages frequent tinkering. It also has terrible heat conductivity. All for the sake of muh looks.
Creative solution- Just don't have side panels at all on your computer case.
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fdbab9 No.16790952
In fact it's even possible to combine that concept with tempered glass if you want.
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4075f8 No.16790954
>>16790951
it's called a test bench, they can be just as expensive as cases, this one is 100 bucks and it's chinese crap
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967ca4 No.16790956
>>16790951
An active air cooling focused case with properly designed airflow will have better cooling with panels on, though.
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fdbab9 No.16790958
>>16790954
The funny thing is that a lot of them aren't being marketed as test cases but as permanent cases that are capitalizing on their looks.
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87a8f1 No.16790959
>>16790943
It's the $1000 stand for the new mac pro monitor. No, really.
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4075f8 No.16790961
>>16790958
nigger cattle will buy based on looks and status symbol, not practicality and reliabilty
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87a8f1 No.16790965
>>16790948
If it was made of unprotected ABS plastic, then it literally should be a different color by now.
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4075f8 No.16790968
>>16790965
back at my parents' house my room had white walls and off-white furniture, then my uncle moved in with us and he nigged my room, after a couple years of him smoking like a chimney in it everything turned yellow like that if not worse
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3dfcad No.16790971
>>16790965
>>16790968
Goddamn you retarded faggots, I already explained this shit to you, the reason they STOPPED making beige shit was the pigment they used was VOLATILE and CHEMICALLY REACTIVE which caused it to YELLOW. We have pigments now that DON'T do that. Which is what the gripe is.
For the record, yes the computer is a totally different color now. TWENTY TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER.
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0aea74 No.16790972
>>16790945
But they were referred to as beige back in the day. And "beige aesthetic" doesn't just mean the color itself, but the overall design as well. Look at a modern white plastic + glass tower and then compare it to the Pippin, PC-FX, PS1, any 90s IBM, Gateway2000 or Compaq tower to see the difference.
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4075f8 No.16790975
>>16790971
>TWENTY TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER
maybe it's time to buy a new one and get on with the times, gramps
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c3fab1 No.16790992
>>16790860
>Spoiler
Are you OK? Why are you repeating yourself.
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c1ca67 No.16791002
They want to become the new Ayyware? Shit man, fine by me.
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c77d3e No.16791061
>>16790895
I'd like to call bullshit on that but I know I'm going to be proven wrong.
I really don't get the appeal of Apple.
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2bbec6 No.16791071
>>16791061
Same reason why people buy shitty designer clothes. they want to flex.
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573405 No.16791078
>>16791061
Apple is a cult. And like any cult, it's leaders create an environment conducive to making it's members feel like part of an exclusive club of enlightened people while bleeding them dry of a given resource.
And like any cult, its members wholeheartedly endorse it's leadership's bid for world domination.
Remember when Steam first came to mac? The first thing out of the Apple cult's forums was "OMG video games are so cool Apple should buy this steam company".
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96f6c8 No.16791084
>>16790946
Here's your PC case, bro.
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7cfd18 No.16791088
>>16791084
Oh boy, is that the new PirateStation 5 I've been hearing about?
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4edad2 No.16791093
>>16791091
Prior to the 2000's Apple actually did try to compete with Microsoft. The result, however, is that management threw Jobs out, and decided that they'd make money hand-over-fist by giving free computers to schools and institutions (Because of the recent Clinton tax breaks) with the profit being made from the sale in software.
Except that never happened.
The company nearly went bankrupt, and they had to pull Jobs back in, who spent the rest of the remainder of 90's and someway into the 2000's fixing everything that was wrong with the company. Then you have what this Anon was talking about where Microsoft was willing to play dirty to ensure that they remained in top: >>16790889 So, after still having to fight hard to keep the company going, AND realizing that normalfags don't actually care about quality items and only go after whatever is shiny, Steve started having the company research and experiment with alternative electronics, which is how we got the iPod. And the rest is history.
Now Apple is a billion dollar company. And, everyone else is trying to be like them because they want a taste of that money, without giving one single damn at trying to figure out WHY the company is worth billions of dollars (Sort of like how everyone was chasing after motion controls after the Wii).
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fee679 No.16791097
>>16791091
Utility of a product is not the only factor in consumer perceptions of products.
Aesthetics, for example are one such factor. People seem to love the aesthetics of Apple products. Hell, Apple fucking patented the rounded corners on their touchscreen based products.
Another factor, that I cannot recall the name of, is essentially the physiological feelings that owning a product gives the consumer. One of the reason that SUVs are oddly popular with women is because the large size of the vehicle gives them a feeling of empowerment and safety. That feeling of safety is not really backed up by statics though, there are alternative cars that are safer for both the driver, and other drivers on the road, and still have the actual utility of SUVs that most women get out of them, such as storage space and large number of seats for children and friends.
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4edad2 No.16791104
Also, for those curious, here is Carmack's take on his experience with Steve and when working with Apple:
http://archive.is/ceQzH
Here is also a follow-up post by a "coder0000", who claims to have been there to see things unfold: http://archive.ph/kmgSX
TL;DR version: Steve was an asshat that wasn't afraid to get into "slugfests" with Carmack, but they still respected each other at the end of the day.
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69f204 No.16791132
>>16791097
Utility is just a marketing meme for "how big a markup this sucker is willing to pay for no actual benefit".
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32c498 No.16791143
>>16790857
Google and Apple are really trying to one-up each other over who gets the sloppy tenths with the Candy Crush crowd.
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d66361 No.16791154
>>16790923
>>16790921
Goys, it's almost 2020. RGB and tempered glass is what's hot!
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4075f8 No.16791162
>>16791154
can't wait for rgb gamer clothing
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ecbbb0 No.16791214
>>16790879
I had a week long LAN party this year with friends. Literally the best week of my life. If you've never had one, I highly recommend it.
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c77d3e No.16791247
>>16791238
The only good looking computers are ones with good airflow, everything else is useless vanity that serves jack shit.
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4075f8 No.16791297
>>16791265
>for good airflow you need good cable management
fake and gay
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4075f8 No.16791306
>>16791302
>dude, my cables have magic properties that prevent air from flowing around them and they collect so much dust because the last time I cleaned my pc was when I assembled it lmao XDD
woah I can make strawman arguments too
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3dfcad No.16791352
>>16791162
Isn't that already a thing?
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ee0be8 No.16791358
>>16791162
That's kinda already here.
Also someone pointed out how the aesthetic trends are self serving. Like the current alternative to black parts are white. But they tend to carry a small price premium for white parts. So people trying to stretch their money go with black parts unless they really want the white look (or special sale). And at the end of the year manufactures look at sales, go "Our black parts outsold our white parts so guess people still prefer black parts", ignoring it's cause it's a bit pricier. And since people aren't buying even white parts why go off the walls and offer different colours, which may cost even more then white.
As for why Rainbow Puke is popular, IDK. I'd say it's cause it's the only customization option out there, besides custom water loops. And in theory, even if you run the exact same setup as someone else you can configure it to look different so there's that appeal.
As for Apple getting into making Gaming PC's there's already enough cults around PC part's manufactures (see ROG), that it might get a FEW people to adopt it, but like 1% at most.
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bfd0f0 No.16791370
>>16790946
>Never again. Instead of undoing two thumbscrews (or just pressing a plastic latch) and pulling the panel back, you undo four thumbscrews and then carefully pry that shit open because it typically sits flush with the rest of the chassis. The glass is fragile, so you have to take your time and absolutely cannot rush. That alone discourages frequent tinkering. It also has terrible heat conductivity. All for the sake of muh looks.
Thats just shit design found in cheap cases. Decent side panels you just pull off without any screws needing to be undone or buttons to be pressed. The glass is fairly strong and tempered.
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d458fa No.16791418
>>16791265
>The coolermaster H500P is probably the best when it comes to airflow.
Like all conventional ATX cases it has a needlessly restrictive intake due to frontal panel design. At least it's mesh, but still. Something like Silverstone FT02 — or even FT05 — is superior for air cooling since their rotated mobo tray design means main intakes are obstructed only by the dust filter. Shame FT02 is fairly outdated in many other aspects.
The fans on the top panel of many standard cases frequently mess up the airflow actually. They're typically set up as exhaust and so can leech off some airflow from frontal intakes before it reaches socket area or expansion cards. In general, negative pressure design with more exhausts than intakes fucks up directional airflow and leads to dust circumventing the filters by seeping through any cracks. Those top vents are just for CLC / custom loop rads.
>But for good airflow you need good cable management, and for peak cable management you need a good case, a fully modular PSU and sleeved cables.
Just a cable management conscious case is enough. PSU is rarely in the path of airflow intended for CPU/GPUs, so modularity is more about convenience and QoL. Ribbon cables also have thinner profiles than sleeved, so sleeving is more about style.
>noctua
I love Noctua heatsinks and am eagerly awaiting pic rel 3, but their fans are overpriced, even when you take the quality and customer service into account. NF-A14/15 is just Thermalright TY-147 with twice the price. Their GT clone, A12x25, costs 30 $hekels. For fuck's sake, not even Noiseblocker eLoop/Multiframe are this expensive.
>>16791370
The problem with tempered glass is that a bump against the edge has a low, but still present, chance to shatter it. At least tempering means it won't fracture into large shards. That's not an issue with metal/acrylic.
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1b291b No.16791456
>>16790923
Black metal would not be so bad if most companies making cases did no feel obligated to paint the insides for some reason. Having bare metal inside makes if far more convenient to ground yourself and dissipate static charge while tinkering. Other than that it's pretty practical, easy to clean and keep looking good, and it's very easy to find matching accessories.
>>16790928
First of all, most apple users are dumb enough to eagerly lap up any marketing lie apple spews to justify overcharging people for shit.
Besides that, it's the same reason why Windows is popular: tech-illiterate and lazy faggots. Imagine average windows user, remove all minimal tech knowledge you are forced to absorb over time using windows, and you have an applefag.
I work in IT, and Mac users are the worst ones to deal with due to how inept they are. I have only saw apple users forget their workstation password after a long weekend.
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7cbfc6 No.16791502
>>16791442
>I meant the H500P Mesh. It has a dust filter instead of the obstructing glass panel of the P and M models.
That's the one I meant. It's why I mentioned the mesh. That mesh isn't usually the filter itself, though, on most cases. The filter should be behind it, but the pics on the official site are unclear. My ID might've changed
>It has 2x 200mm fans on the front, plus 3x 120mm on the top and 1x 140mm on the rear.
More isn't always better. Coolermaster Stacker RC830 back in the day (mid-late 2000s) could have up to 9 120mm fans IIRC, and that design was still eventually scrapped because it wasn't all that efficient. I mentioned above that the top vent can be a bitch. If it has fans, it will mess up the flow. If it has no fans, some intake pressure will seep out, or the CPU cooler will pull unfiltered air through it if it has no filters. Same for side vents.
I's why I like the wind tunnel design of FT02/05: you have 2/3 180mm intake fans that push the air through the volume of the case in one constant direction until it reaches the perforated "back". There's almost no way to mess up the flow, save for the PSU intake. That paradigm was proven by tests to be very good, beating seemingly mightier solutions, but was abandoned because it made the case water-unfriendly. Damn.
>It also has vents in a bunch of places to allow easier exits for the hot air in case you fuck up the air pressure
Air chooses the easiest path, which doesn't always follow the design. Having vents near GPU with no overwhelming positive pressure from the front can lead to the GPU just pulling air from those vents, and with it, dust. Also, if there's no well-directed exhaust, the GPU with a classic, non-blower style cooler might just start recycling its own hot air. That said, a quick look at H500PM doesn't really hint at those being issues. It has a perforated back and solid sides, good for directing active air. Although I still don't like that top.
When HardOCP still did reviews (before the owner sold his soul to Intel), they'd sometimes use an incense burner to generate smoke for the case reviews and see how the airflow really goes. Often enough, the results didn't match the marketing.
>>16791444
>I just like their fans' color.
That brick red for the rotors looks cool on the pics, but all the consumer Noctua fans I've used or seen live had a much more muted and dirty tone. I can see your point, though.
Back on topic, I wonder if Apple's esportsbox will have LGBT-lighting.
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4d0455 No.16791520
I can't flex on the poors with a desktop that stays at home.
It's either a beefy laptop with some newfangled renamed tech so I can yank it out on a library, or it's a fucking flop.
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68fa9c No.16791523
>>16791520
>I can't flex on the poors with a desktop that stays at home.
See how it's done: >>16790889
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09d05e No.16791548
>>16790857
> Steve Jobs actually hated games
Yet he still wanted Halo to be a mac exclusive
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049ad5 No.16791587
>>16791306
Why should I be patient with you, but not Mark? Get bullied nerd.
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3dfcad No.16791626
>>16791520
Your library's so shit you can't take a desktop there? Do they not have lan nights either?
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4075f8 No.16791654
>>16791358
those look like shoes that light up that children wear, pretty epic how we keep going backwards and people become less and less mature as time goes by. can't wait until people start unironically identifying as children and being retarded isn't even recognised as a mental problem.
>>16791323
>opinion
>OF COURSE it matters
>u retard I smarte
>doubling down with no proof
ok, retard, keep embarrassing yourself
>>16791587
it was meant to represent 888d2b's idiocy, do not bully me
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638d5c No.16791670
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638d5c No.16791672
>>16790921
Ugh.
BTW this isn't even the ugliest Mac ever. I can't even find the image of the ugliest Mac ever
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638d5c No.16791676
>>16791672
The toilet seat gets a notable mention for non-beige ugliness
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c77d3e No.16791801
>>16790889
>Right now PC gaming on Linux is in a better state than Mac.
How is PC gaming on Linux anyways? I admit I haven't paid much attention to it and my only attempt was nearly a decade ago in trying to play DoW on Wine, it was kind of slow but actually somewhat playable.
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aaa32e No.16791815
>>16791306
>strawman
Why are the anons who say this always the biggest fucking faggots?
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3dfcad No.16791848
>>16791801
Besides a couple of weird and specific issues. Off the top of my head I remember specifically a giant bear (And specifically that out of the entire game) in that crash remake not functioning correctly. Keep in mind, this is Proton, Valve's fork of wine but I can't imagine it'd be too different from Wine with DXVK
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4c8115 No.16791851
>>16790857
Remember when Apple actually lead the market instead of chasing the market? Ever since Steve Jobs died Apple really went into the shitter. I knew it was going to be bad but everyone was in denial and its become more obvious with moves like this and into TV that it is trying to chase markets and really doing an awful job at them.
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4c8115 No.16791856
>>16791853
Not completely. I mean the Ipod Video was absolutely awesome as was The Ipad when they came out. But of course everyone did it better a few years later much like when they made the smartphone and Samsung just dominated them completely. Yes i know Microsoft did it first, but they failed badly and had no idea how to implement visual designs well. My point is Apple lead the market with ideas that everyone would adopt and would force the market to adapt to them rather than Apple trying to chase what is out there.
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3dfcad No.16791868
>>16791856
Samsung only really dominates considering more or less it's "an iPhone you can download whatever the hell you want on" There's not really a meaningful difference between the two
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e307dd No.16791974
>>16791801
>>16791848
Asides for Proton there's Lutris that grabs up to date Wine, DXVK and D9VK versions. It doesn't deal with all the setting up of games but provides all the options you'll need in a decent GUI that makes it much easier to get started. There are a few games that you'll need to download and run some scripts to get them working, I've haven't encountered any yet since most of what I play is pretty old. If a game I installed doesn't work I just check out their page on it for troubleshooting.
It's pretty much what Valve is doing with Proton but it doesn't require Steam. Compared to PlayOnLinux it's a massive improvement, once it adds VM with GPU passthrough features there isn't much else they could do to improve it asides for built in mod and save file management.
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c1ca67 No.16791990
>>16791104
All I get out of this is Carmack is at fault for mobage.
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b52b05 No.16792046
>>16791774
Cable management has 0 effect on airflow just look on kike tube there's some video where they fill the entire PC with shit and it makes about 1 degree difference which is within margine of error.
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3dfcad No.16792066
>>16792046
also the good cable management thing, is mostly advice for if you take it to get it serviced by someone else, since it's a pain in the ass to mangle someone else's tangle
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02b4da No.16792069
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1ccd69 No.16792075
>>16791214
>If you've never had one, I highly recommend it.
LAN party or having friends?
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e514dd No.16792440
>>16791856
>and had no idea how to implement visual designs well
Apple stole the icon grid design from Palm. Jobs threatened to drown them in lawyers should they object.
>Apple lead the market with ideas that everyone would adopt and would force the market to adapt to them
They had a very large army of fiercely loyal consumers who'd sandbag any possible missteps. Rossmann, I believe, mentioned that when, say, Dell users had their laptops fail on them, they'd go "Never buying Dell again", but with Apple users that reaction was a rarity. I struggle to recall another company with such levels of brand loyalty. Now that Jobs is gone, some are leaving Apple behind. I've seen a few that I know personally jump ship to Xiaomi of all things.
>>16792046
Got a link to the video? I'm interested in their setup and fan speeds. Everything in the path of the airflow will be a source of air resistance and so will result in drag, slowing the flow. Tha's just basic fluid dynamics. Thing is, if your airflow is very high to begin with because you're using powerful fans, like 140mm 1500RPM and above, then the airflow slowdown won't matter much because the outcome is still good enough, so the temps don't change.
Now imagine you're using 120mm 200RPM fans. Airflow obstructions, even seemingly marginal ones, become much more impactful because the flow is weak to begin with and, simply put, doesn't have much clout to effectively puch through even small barriers like dust filters. Cable drag becomes a problem. There's a good reason why heatsinks intended for low speed or outright fanless operation have large fin gaps, even though that sacrifices surface area within the same dimensions.
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e307dd No.16792473
>>16792440
Cables in PCs were only a big issue back in the days when you'd have two 40 pin ribbon cables and a slightly slimmer one for the floppy drive that really blocked air flow near the CPU. People back then sliced the ribbons apart and stacked them on top of each other, eventually they were made that way.
Ever since SAS/SATA was introduced internal cabling that obstruct airflow in PCs is a solved problem.
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252ef4 No.16792492
>>16792473
Yeah, I remember slicing and then bunching up my IDE cables back then.
On conventional systems? Sure, it's not a prime concern. But in fringe situations like very low airflow SFF systems, thick and inflexible cables like ATX24, EPS12V and PCIE AUX thrown around haphazardly can lead to a 5°C penalty. When the thermal budget is already tight, that penalty is horrific. Ribbon cables were a godsend in that scenario. I will concede that very few people run such systems, though, but it's something that I've toyed with.
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fdbab9 No.16792508
>>16792492
>>16792473
>slicing ribbon cables
That's some harrowing shit right there.
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1645c0 No.16792529
>>16792492
No, it can't. The fluidity of air is 1000x that of water, just imagine water being impeded by a fucking cable while there is holes and space for it to pass, to air it's 1000x more unlikely. As long as there is space to flow and even the slightest pressure/temp difference, air will flow.
Cable management is a retarded meme, like RGB. It does not help cooling or anything.
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ea5379 No.16792555
>>16792508
Not as much as delidding a CPU.
>>16792529
>As long as there is space to flow
>space
That was the problem. In a 10L stuffed shoebox of a case, space is at an utmost premium. Last thing you want is wrangling a 24pin snake literally clogging the free space in it.
>air will flow
Sure will, but the rate will take a sizeable hit if it was weak from the start (Ever tried using 200-250RPM fans in a cramped environment? The flow is shit.) and you have obstructive cabling. Hot ait isn't being pushed out as fast, torture test temps rise. Outlier case, but I indicated as much.
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1645c0 No.16792590
>>16792555
Flow as in exchange of air. I should have used other word, but it's not a laminar flow.
Unless you are using a turbine, there is no laminar flow in a case. Air is moved solely by pressure difference(that's why fans are used on the edge of the case) and it's too slow to generate streamlines, having a wire or even large block will not generate drag or turbulence in a already unsteady flow.
Air is too fluid to not have turbulence in such slow speeds, or to create steady streamlines with such few speed and airflow.
Cable management is a gimmick, get over it.
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857d79 No.16792644
>>16792590
Anon, imagine a tiny SFF case with an ATX PSU mounted above the motherboard. Imagine there's a tight place inside near the 24pin plug. Imagine that the main cable blocks over half of the clearance between the PSU and the board because there's nowhere else to put it, and it has to be awkwardly cramped. There are no fans in this setup except one intake (PSU is fanless, CPU/GPU are undervolted and have aftermarket heatsinks), and that one is anemic. Now imagine replacing the main cable with a ribbon that can be easily folded and tucked away, so the clearance isn't an issue anymore. It's like replacing a shitty ye olde stamped out fan grill like the ones on old AT PSUs with a proper wire one.
>Cable management is a gimmick, get over it.
In this instance the gimmick lead to thermal diodes and my thermocouple both reporting lower temps at high load.
If you're talking about a big dick gaymen Full Tower, I'd agree. But saying that cable management is always useless is flat out wrong.
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4075f8 No.16792652
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16792440
I think he was referring to these flaming homosexuals, which I personally dislike, but the results speak for themselves.
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384991 No.16792836
>>16791974
>It doesn't deal with all the setting up of games
Yes it does, which games are you installing? It's the whole point of the installer scripts, to set everything up so you don't have to. At least that's the case in more popular games like The Witcher 3, Warframe, League of Legends, Overwatch… Haven't met any game which required more fiddling after installing from Lutris' page. All you have to do after executing the installer script is to follow the wizard the game itself provides, if that's what you mean by "set up".
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24f6ce No.16792901
>>16790857
Does this mean Andrew dobson can finally play skyrim on ultra high?
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e307dd No.16792910
>>16792836
Granted for 9/10 people on this board Lutris or Proton will work flawlessly. But I'm playing older games many of which don't have a page on Lutris so I have to create my own banners as well as fiddle with the settings to get them working properly. As they aren't sold on GOG or Steam I don't expect them to get a page on their site any time soon.
With the few newer(>2010) more popular games I've tried they've all worked without a hitch. The only game I can't get to work is Sims 4 thanks to DRM that's required but there's a workaround that I haven't bothered with yet since I'm thinking of playing it in a VM for easier modding.
The other issue I've run into are some odd cases on itch.io where the performance is terrible thanks to odd engines and development tools they use that have poor Wine compatibility. Using a VM or a more powerful computer will fix this.
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fdbab9 No.16792917
>>16792555
Well that's what happens when you don't use tweezers and a soldering iron.
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92632c No.16792928
>>16792917
Do those stock image sites just pay for anything?
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37d91d No.16792930
>>16792910
>Sims 4 thanks to DRM that's required
>it is now 2020
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da055f No.16792931
>>16792901
Probably medium settings
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e307dd No.16792962
>>16792930
Of course I pirated it. The crack that's included only works after running the Origin DRM offline during installation and then disabling it in the game. And Origin doesn't work well in Wine, at least it didn't when I tried it.
https://github.com/lutris/lutris/wiki/Game:-Origin
Out of the 50 Windows games I have that's the only one that isn't working and I gave up on since I'm more interested in playing with tons of mods. That will be simpler using a VM.
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738066 No.16793236
>>16792962
origin is shit even on windows, not surprised it's a bitch to get working on linux.
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fdbab9 No.16793238
>>16792928
Pretty much, yeah.
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3dfcad No.16793242
>>16792644
Aren't you just doriting from one extreme to another in a case that wouldn't be meaningfull in most use cases?
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9b576e No.16793356
>>16790928
Honestly, I use it exclusively for the OS. I can get xfce almost to where I like it, but not quite.
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c4ce4b No.16794295
>>16791418
>Those top vents are just for CLC / custom loop rads.
So, you're saying that top vents should be intakes if one's doing an entirely-air build?
>PSU is rarely in the path of airflow intended for CPU/GPUs, so modularity is more about convenience and QoL.
You haven't seen a Mini-desktop setup then. I have been changing parts out on my prebuilt for some time after running my stock configuration for 9 years. It's a HP Pavilion Elite that was fitted with a Phenom II X6 1045T processor and a Radeon HD 6450 stock.
I since changed out the card for a Zotac GTX1050 ti mini, replaced the 300W Bestek PSU (after it started growling at me perpetually like the PSU fan was croaking) with a 650-watt Corsair CXM power supply (it's the only reputable PSU that Best Buy had and the other choice was a store-brand PSU that even the Geek Squad rep I asked questioned the merits of) and replaced the 90mm Foxconn stock case fan with a Arctic F9 Silent the day before.
>Noctua
I don't know about you, but I tend to go with Arctic's products for cooling since that's all they had done since formation in 2001 until just recently.
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8bbb3f No.16795130
>>16790889
>Even back in the G3 days you could plug a normal mouse in an Apple computer. Their one button mouse is intended for office workers that really don't need an extra button to confuse them.
How the fuck does a person get any work done in a word processor or spreadsheet program without right click as an option?
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3dfcad No.16795167
>>16795130
Menu key? That's standard on mac keyboards isn't it?
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7719ab No.16809322
baste chodemonkey
i love 8kunt
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ba48cf No.16809347
>>16795130
Contextual menu was done with ctrl-click or option-click… can't recall exactly, it's been a long time.
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0217a1 No.16809379
>>16790902
>>16790876
>>16790879
>>16791214
>>16792075
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4075f8 No.16809388
>>16809379
it's gone, buddy. let it go.
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4b89d2 No.16809585
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0217a1 No.16809602
>>16809388
Stop reminding me
What companies did with the internet becoming mainstream depresses to no end.
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343d82 No.16809665
>>16809388
>>16809379
>>16790902
>>16790879
Don't cry because it's gone
Smile because it happened
>>16809602
I've been pondering a lot on modern CGI and why despite all the advancements can't hold a candle to old animation or even fucking ps1 era cgi. I think the problem is that the people behind modern cgi refuse to use 2d animation techniques like smears or even hand drawing parts that are hard to convey in 3d but make a lot more sense in 2d, like textured stylized faces or whatever. So the animation looks choppy as fuck because your brain won't trick you into seeing that 3d object moving naturally but a picture where lighting and shadows are manually added in is much more believable.
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67cad2 No.16809917
>>16809665
This is so true and it makes me so sad.
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a641c9 No.16809930
>>16791214
Uuuh, you wouldn't happen to be a swecuck by any chance?
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6f296b No.16809931
>>16809665
One day we'll gather 2 billion buckaroos, hire the autists from loomis threads as teachers, rediscover proper 2d techniques and make a New American Draftsmanship school.
P.S.No gommies allowed
ONE DAY
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7c4aeb No.16809946
>>16790899
There's that one (((youtuber))) that bought the entire fucking mac pro set and it cost like 50,000 dollars and he was ranting "oh this is such a good deal muh professional market I use this for editing now"
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04d992 No.16809949
>>16809665
>I've been pondering a lot on modern CGI and why despite all the advancements can't hold a candle to old animation or even fucking ps1 era cgi.
Industry secret
Like 75% of models are recycled, subconsciously you're picking up on little animation mistakes that grow more apparent as you are exposed to the same models over and over.
The reason older games (and some of the new indies) are able to get away from it is genuinely fresh exposure to a model and this had been prior to, let's call them "standards" when it comes to the animations of certain actions.
Ironically as the ease of use of these tools to create acceptable animation has directly come at the cost of mastering of utilities.
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000000 No.16809951
>>16809602
>2000 was 20 fucking years ago
I WANT OFF THIS RIDE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
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04d992 No.16809960
>>16809946
Yeah, but is it really "successfully selling" something to a youtuber who's very likely to make more than that back from the initial gawk factor?
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7c4aeb No.16810006
>>16809993
>>16809995
>>16810001
nice try FBI
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9f30bb No.16810007
>>16810006
Prove them wrong. Oh wait you can't
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7c4aeb No.16810010
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04d992 No.16810011
>>16809993
Fuck off retard, Old media is fucking collapsing and with its death it's dragging the shitty ass conglomerate of "internet" media with it.
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cd1499 No.16810013
>>16810011
I'm horny, anon.
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1b201c No.16810014
>>16810011
>Old media is fucking collapsing and with its death it's dragging the shitty ass conglomerate of "internet" media with it.
Citation needed, cumskin. The (((powers that be))) already won and are merely waiting for their efforts to come to fruition.
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7c4aeb No.16810016
>>16810013
I wish I could be paid by an intelligence agency to shitpost on imageboards to rile up some autists
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7c4aeb No.16810018
>>16810014
Tell me, do you get paid hourly, or by how many (1) and done posts you make per thread?
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111ae6 No.16810022
>>16809931
Not worth the effort when (((they))) can always shut us down. Honestly don't even bother trying to fix this. It will always end the same way anyway: spending the rest of our miserable lives with nothing but hatred in our hearts.
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04d992 No.16810028
>>16810014
Nigger disney was losing so much money they actually started an online service.
Most films perform like shit outside of Cali and NYC (This shit isn't sustainable) The Hollywood bubble has LONG since popped and is spraying everywhere. Youtube in an attempt to cost jewgle even MORE of the government cash they suck out is actively and agressively trying to kill itself by ostracizing the main shit people wanted out of the website to try and chase the TV model.
Streaming services are getting so fucking fragmented it's becoming more expensive than buying the overpriced dvds and blurays they shit out and piracy is ramping way the fuck up.
Facebook is in the middle of thousands of suits from advertisers over fake metrics for their videohosting platform (and privacy complaints, but that's never actually been expensive enough to affect them before). The copyright bubble is about to hit a point where it's actually going to be impossible to produce Music in america.
They're falling apart under their own weight and desperately trying to present the image that they aren't.
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fea4ae No.16810029
>>16791815
Name dropping argumentums shows one's inability to understand them and form an elegant argument.
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932dde No.16810409
>>16810028
>The copyright bubble is about to hit a point where it's actually going to be impossible to produce Music in america.
in what way? people suing each other over chords?
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b38813 No.16810429
>>16810409
Unless there's prior art, like Pachelbel's Canon, which is out of copyright, then yeah, music is fucked.
The Verve got fucked over by the Rolling Stones for sampling one more beat of a riff than they were allowed.
John fucking Glass sued someone for "stealing" his "song" 4'33", which was complete silence, because they also had a "song" that was silent.
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37fdc8 No.16810584
>>16810429
Don't forget (((Universal Music Group))) straight up lying about the fire that happened at their storage facilities in 2008, and not until last summer did they admit they lost master recordings for nearly every artist they signed over the last 60 years. For 10 years UMG tried to cover up that they lost some of the most influential music recorded in the 20th century, and it wouldn't be surprising that anyone wanting to make music for a living would want to sign to a major label now.
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a641c9 No.16810636
>>16810429
The John Cage trust (Cage was dead at this point) sued Mike Batt because he credited the song to himself and Cage.
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3ffb04 No.16812008
>>16810584
Those fires were started by collection scalpers from the future who stole all of the original recordings and then lit the storehouse ablaze to cover their tracks and establishing a story that those recordings were destroyed - only to pass them off later as being found in a "private collection" during an estate sale.
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764ca1 No.16812092
>>16812008
Hey shut the fuck up.
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