/v/ - Video Games

>>16786988

I've been playing SRB2 v2.2 and I finished replaying SA2's Hero Story a week or two ago. It's weird seeing a game that's older than Adventure 1 still getting updated with massive revamps; I've played SRB2 about 6-7 years ago and the difference between the old version I played and the current release is night and day. I think it's probably the one complete 3D Sonic game that captures what Sonic's was originally all about.

>those quotes

I'll never understand why the jap box-arts to classic Sonic had deep quotes like that.

>>16787015

>second pic

>tails

There's no way that's where his nose should be.

I have never enjoyed playing through any sonic game. it focuses on you going super fast but then it throws in tedious platforming sections that control like ass. the level design also sucks since you never know if you're making progress or not until you clear the level somehow, everything looks the fucking same.

>>16787098

Retard take

>>16787098

That's why they switched to 3D pretty early on, so player knows into what he is running. In 2D, developers would have these options:

>camera more zoomed out (somehow works in Jazz Jackrabbit 2, which has Sonic elements)

>slower Sonic

>some kind of slow motion effect

This autist has got a point. Sonic went past irony and now has become a joke about being self aware to the point that it takes nothing seriously, the exact opposite of the adventure era, but that's not a good thing. Why can't the direction of this franchise meet half way like the classic era? It's all unfunny memes now, struggling to stay relevant.

God fucking damn it.

Hats off to MJ and his band for helping to compose one of the greatest OSTs in one of the best games of all time.

>>16787098

>that control like ass

Just because you suck at controlling momentum doesn't make it bad, it makes you bad.

>the level design also sucks since you never know if you're making progress

you what, sonic levels aren't mazes; they're blatant straight lines with similar linesthat all lead to the same place.

The only "dead ends" are places tiny areas with power ups or such, which really shouldn't count since those don't even involve paths.

everybody super sonic racing

try to keep your feet right on the ground

when you're super sonic racing

there's no time to look around

we're just super sonic racing

running to the point of no return

everybody super sonic racing

come on and let the fire burn let's go

>>16787191

what the fuck happened to https://invidio.us/ ? all I'm getting is an error message

>>16787302

Sometimes it just doesn't work. Hopefully we just have to wait a couple hours before it unfucks itself. Real shitty that it's happening during christmas time.

>I have been enjoying the Adventure games

I don't believe you.

>>16787372

Adventure series are somehow popular between sonicfags, many want SA3. I didn't play it and not planning to though.

>>16788005

What's wrong with Mania?

>>16788020

Its not like mania could suddenly make green hill different you know.

By virtue of its legacy levels it was destined to loop set-ups in those levels.

And no i don't see it, assets aside one is a clear mesh of CD and other later classic game design and the other is the much more straight sonic 1.

The lack of object doesn't change this fact, green hill is one of the things that got affected by a different design basis; later legacy levels were more samesh, but had more substantial new gimmicks in their second acts anyway.

The flood of legacy levels was annoying but i wouldn't call the game bad for it.

>>16788053

My point was that the good weighed out the meh, not that the entire game was like that. Pretty much nothing is constantly good.

Mediocrity is bad in the end anyway.

>making bad things is hard

No its even easier, literally don't try at all is how you produce bad things. While mediocrity is minutes, bad is barely a few seconds.

>>16788053

Any chance you could tell me why nearly every hack seems to have random floor and wall blocks just… embedded in them. Is that a lunar magic thing?

>>16788005

>>16788020

So are you going to tell us what bing bing wahoo romhack is in the pictures you're posting or what?

>Adventure and 02 are an experience

Adventure 2 took all of Adventure 1's problems and made them 10 times worse. People only like it for the story and muh chao garden.

>The level design is amateurish and it relies too much on already established levels, enemies, setups etc making those levels feel less memorable and just make me prefer playing the original instead

It was a pretty shitty decision to do something that was already done 6 years ago with Generations. Or at least if they had to do it they could have pulled a little bit harder for their sources than fucking Green Hill Zone again. Maybe the 8 bit games or something. At least the game is a good mod base, maybe we will see some level packs in a few years that actually take the physics and character assets and puts them in something more unique.

>>16788079

>Adventure 2 took all of Adventure 1's problems and made them 10 times worse.

What problems?

>>16788255

The treasure hunting and mech shooting shouldn't have returned from SA1, for starters.

>>16788281

>The treasure hunting

Those were my favorite levels in SA2, actually. But i can see why people would prefer an entire game of Sonic/Shadow levels.

>>16788285

Do you think shadow has a tight butt?

>>16789151

Also I learned that if you doing the level legit and not glitching your way too the emerald, then it's way faster to get rings by purposefully ending the slots with few rings and playing the garbage shoot part of the level and getting the rings in that section a bunch of times, then it is to try and win at the pinball mini game.

>>16789156

I figured that out when I was 10. Would lose the slots, and then go plundering the sewers if I was trying to speed-tun the level.

Nothing can stop the power of Autism

But Seriously this 06 Fan project is shaping up really well.

Sonic's physics are allot better, Mach speed segments have way better controls, Silver can move fast now, Tails has an actual attack, and not just the Dummy ring bombs, Knuckles has a controllable combo.

>>16790298

personally i don't like sonic fangames much becuase half the time its a fucking tech demo or a game that is always in its permanent development stage. The only good completed fan games i know being before and after along with robo blast 2. Sonic World would be better if it didn't crash all the fucking time and didn't feel floaty

>>16791452

>The last one is a Sonic dating sim, if that Bermudan guy ever gets it finished.

You talking about the game where you try to fudge Cream?

>>16791498

Didn't that guy abandon it ages ago for some gay reason?

>>16791432

I'd suck his dick.

no homo

>>16791567

but does he have anything to show for it. It reminds me of that one newgrounds artist that made original porn flash games back in the day and tried to get people to pay for it in advance and flake out years later

>>16792562

He sounds like a nasally fuck faggot from the few seconds I listened to his voice before closing the video.

is there a single sonic game with bad music? besides 4 and forces awful classic stage songs i've enjoyed most of the music in the franchise

>>16793005

Chronicles, which I'm assuming just skipped your mind, and you aren't actually ignorant about how awful its soundtrack is.

>>16787015

>>16793004

I love classic Sonic style art.

>>16793008

I forgot that game existed and i'm glad i forgot because that game was probably one of the worst sonic games i've played besides Lost World, Forces, and Labyrinth

>>16793023

i liked sonic rush i think its because of the linear level design and overemphasis on speed and speed boosters or something

>>16793023

>And, Heroes and Shadow are Majora's Mask.

I was going to say Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword but the long dialogue stretches and poorly paced content are agonizing even compared to the jankshit mediocrity of Heroes and Shadow.

>>16793023

>Sonic Advance

I never skipped over it, but after Ice Mountain the level design becomes a terrible mix of Sonic 1 and trying to attempt difficulty. Aside from the level design, the controls always felt sluggish, especially when trying to pull of a spindash.

>Sonic Advance 2

This was automatically dead in the water the moment they decided to make every level the same roller coaster with boosters, just with different layouts.

>Sonic Rush, Colors, and Generations 3DS

Never played these.

>>16793038

Generations 3DS is a boost/classic game that can practically be completed in 2-3 hours

Rush is sort of like Advance but introduced the boost formula some fans hate and introduced blaze

Colors DS is the Rush formula but with wisps and special stages that require 0 effort and supposedly the canon one

>>16793042

and finally Rush Adventure is more or less the same game but with boats or some shit and probably one of my least favorite Dimps game because the bosses suck and the level challenges are Sonic Colors DS tier in that they expect you to constantly boost not to mention the "special stage" is racing some faggot robot who is a mediocre boss in the last stage of the game

>>16793023

>Heroes

Forces you to play it four times to get the real final boss, and it already has overly long levels.

>Shadow

Any objectives that weren't "make it to the end" were shit, you replay the first few levels ten times to get the true final boss, there are ten standard endings but five last stages, meaning you have to play each final stage twice, guns solved a problem that didn't need to exist (enemies with significant health values), and the level design is rarely interesting.

Majora's Mask took OoT and put a creative and memorable spin on it. Heroes and Shadow just trimmed some of the fat from the Adventure games but added their own bullshit without changing things in a good way.

>>16793004

>Nu-3D Sonic is all BOOST these days

Imagine a character getting flanderized to the point it effected the gameplay?

>>16793060

Well, Lost World wasn't, but it had other problems.

>>16793443

And, they're never going to get it because (1) the portion of Sonic Team that actually worked on those games was mostly fired after 06, (2) the current Sonic Team took the criticism of "we want full 3D" and gave us Lost World, and (3) the Happy Tree Friends writers took the criticism of "we want an actual story" and gave us Forces.

>>16793328

>Shadow is basically the antithesis of Sonic

While I understand not liking the story direction and game design jank of of the Shadow game. I don't think that statement is true at all.

The Shadow game blended the previous adventure gameplay styles into one and, in doing so it became Sonic CD but in 3D. Sonic CD had it so you could speed to the end of levels, but you missed out on most things and got an imperfect ending. To get the proper ending you either had the objective of collecting the Time Stones, or Going in the past and destroying the robot generators and Metal Sonic Holograms.

Shadow just swaps out the time travel for siding with a faction, tries to have more varied objectives, and gives you a bunch of endings paths instead of the good one and the not as good one. Both games want the player to pay more attention to the levels instead of solely speeding past everything. it expanded on what had been done, just imperfectly

.

Now the main criticism with both Heroes and Shadow is that they basically took the extra missions for each level that SA 1 and 2 had and use those to force the games into having more longevity instead of being optional content. but I don't see how Shadow is anymore egregious aside from not liking it's edgelord tone. I also hear the complaint you need to play though the first level Westopolis 10 times to eventual get the true ending. while I understand that, A staple of the series since Sonic 1 is that the player is expected to get better at the first level, and every level for that matter, so they can get the through the game faster.

If you think the Shadow game fucked up everything it attempted then so be it, but there is a clear line to follow from each game to see how things lead to that point, this is more like Resident Evil 6 being too action packed, but the series was clearly getting more action focused after each game, then it is like God of War 2018 or the DmC reboot where they took deliberate steps to abandoned the spirit of series.

>>16790343

>>16790298

That camera changes pitch way too often and makes me dizzy.

>>16793584

That chili dog looks fucking great. Think I'm gonna make some tomorrow now.

>>16793465

>>16793443

>>16793490

I just want Sally, Bunnie, and all those other characters to be brought back and integrated into the game universe.

>>16794002

Sega made new mandates for comic liscense holders like IDW that won't allow those characters to be a thing anymore.

They're dead, only game-canon characters now.

Also, before you get mad at SEGA for these mandates and restrictions for comics, remember that this is Ken Pender's fault.

>>16794002

so a game made by ken penders?

>>16794015

Ken Penders is such a lolcow.

>>16794024

I'm glad to see that Knuckles is the last of his kind.

>>16794045

Plague is totally not a furry, guys.

>>16794087

>that's on top of the fact that the Freedom Fighters have been a part of the "game-verse" since Spinball.

Spinball is more a spinoff of SatAM, not the games. It was developed by SEGA of America themselves.

>>16794087

I don't really think small cameo appearances really count as "canon existence in-universe". That's like saying Mario is a canon character in the Zelda franchise because of the pictures in OoT.

>>16794098

Funny you say that since Mario, Luigi, Toad, and Toadette can turn into Link in SMM2

>>16787015

Sonic is the Marcus of video games.

>>16793023

>>16793025

Rush also continued the trend of relying less on physics to traverse through the terrain but also putting a bunch of bottomless pits everywhere for the sake of "difficulty". That and bringing in the kill rooms from the 3D games as a poor way to break up the monotony.

>>16795019

This is some spooky shit.

Shadow the Hedgehog is the Chaotix of 3D "Adventure Era" Sonic, if you don't know what I mean that's fine because I know most people haven't played Chaotix, but I haven't played Shadow so it evens out.

Also where's the autist who goes into the Japanese lore and how it's fairly consistent compared to the made up bullshit from Sega of America? If he's not around just read the Japanese manuals, they've got some lore.

>>16796300

>Gerald Robotnik used based Shadow

*Gerald Robotnik based Shadow

>>16796300

>>16796301

>I heard that in lore, Gerald Robotnik used based Shadow off the ancient prophetic mural of Super Sonic believing it to be an ancient depiction of "The Ultimate Lifeform" which lead some fans to believe that Sonic himself is the "true" or at least "natural" Ultimate Lifeform.

Purely a theory that is yet to be confirmed canon.

Especially given the Super Emeralds retcon and how Hidden Palace wasn’t seen again in the games until Mania which is apparently in a different “dimension” after Mania Sonic went into Modern Sonic’s world again in Forces.

>>16796300

>I heard that in lore, Gerald Robotnik used based Shadow off the ancient prophetic mural of Super Sonic believing it to be an ancient depiction of "The Ultimate Lifeform" which lead some fans to believe that Sonic himself is the "true" or at least "natural" Ultimate Lifeform.

Pure fan conjecture based on the fact he had a replica emerald shrine in the arc, meaning he must have visited Angel Island at some point, and the fact that making a hedgehog as the "Ultimate Lifeform" is otherwise kind of weird.

>>16796308

>I wonder what Iizuka was thinking with this?

I think he's just opening up the possibility of having more "classic" style games without worrying about not contradicting the events of the games from Adventure onward. Also, I don't think he ever considered many of the classic characters as "canon" to the modern games, considering the Chaotix from Heroes on are supposed to be a completely new version of them, retconning Knuckles Chaotix. Having new classic games take place in a "different dimension" means using those classic characters without contradicting his view of modern Sonic. Similarly, I think his "two worlds" retcon was an attempt remove humans from the games going forward (aside from Eggman), without completely retconning them out, since, at that time, there were a lot of people going "humans in Sonic, ew!"

>>16796317

I personally think that the events of the classic games happened in both worlds simultaneously and then branched off into their own thing.

>there were a lot of people going "humans in Sonic, ew!"

That nevered bothered me. Humans when implemented right work well in Sonic's world. What was weird was that there were humans everywhere and barely any of the anthro characters around in the cities. Now Forces has no humans and anthro characters everywhere.

Honestly, I think a population balance of humans and anthro characters in the setting is better than either extreme.

>>16796324

>I personally think that the events of the classic games happened in both worlds simultaneously and then branched off into their own thing.

You are right about that

The whole dimension thing could have just been a play on words for the fact that Classic Sonic games are in 2D, or just a poor choice of words in the script, and this whole thing has just been blown out of proportion, This Sonic Panel Q&A Iizuka was asked if the Classic Sonic from generations is the same one as Mania and Forces and it is. 49:30 in the embed.

The generations Classic was the Same as modern Sonic, but after that game Classic Sonic's timeline is now altered and split off into something new

>>16796327

>The generations Classic was the Same as modern Sonic, but after that game Classic Sonic's timeline is now altered and split off into something new

Makes sense. He could have just said it was a "split timeline" due to time travel shenanigans.

Though if Sonic Mania team were to make another game, I would be curious about how they would handle Chaos in 2D.

>>16796367

>Don't know why everyone, developers especially, have this "we need to push forward" mentality.

>I've seen this in literally hundreds of game series at this point. Developer takes a WRONG path and then, instead of admitting they made a bad change, they just say "well I guess I need to tweak everything else to compensate until it's good again".

I can see why it's taking place for two reasons.

>First, it's because the developers don't want to make the "same game repeatedly".

Nintendo is the most guilty of this with how Star Fox was rendered near unplayable in the name of "innovation", along with being the reason why there hasn't been another F-Zero in over 15 years: http://archive.ph/6v8jl

Then, there's Iizuka's interview as displayed here: >>16793490

Then there's also the fact that the "cancers" of gaming are only dreaded by gamers, not the developers. John Carmack was thrilled with the idea of the iPhone: http://archive.is/ceQzH

Platinum's debut title was a mature Wii game, and their president is excited about streaming: https://archive.ph/PHB62

When you get down to it, a lot of developers are really tech junkies who want to make "the next big innovation" just to prove that it can be done. Or they want to create a new experience. However, things don't work like that. Just because you develop a new technology, that doesn't guarantee that you can make money from it. So, in some ways, the developers are only allowed to take risks when it doesn't cut too much into the profits. Notice how Sonic has been branded as a "terrible" series for more than the past decade, yet the games still sell for some reason. Moving on…

>Second, today's world doesn't "allow" for failure.

One of the biggest problems with the world today is that very few seem to actually understand that failure is more valuable than success. When you fail, you learn. However, given the "high value" placed upon products these days, companies are given less and less room to work of projects that are destined to fail and serve as nothing more than the learning tool (With, an overwhelming amount of those failures just being internal projects that never see the light of day). So, these "doomed projects" are pushed into development as full games (Because the company cannot afford to have them quietly fail) and the people behind these projects do everything they can to make sure that the project is a success (Because, if it does fail, then they know that their ass is on the chopping block the moment Spring rolls around).

The TL;DR version is that things have gotten to a point where market has become too big to allow for risks and failure, so the developers are taking things in whatever "crazy" direction they think is best without question and with constant reassurance as "being the future" because it's the only way they can make a buck (And, it's only a matter of time until this all implodes because none of this is healthy).

>>16796402

> it's because the developers don't want to make the "same game repeatedly".

This is funny because some of the biggest and most popular game series' of the classic era, and even a few still surviving today, got big by basically just making the same game over and over with just a few additions, tweaks, and substitutions along the way. Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, FUCKING Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest (which is a series that to this day continues to progress itself very conservatively) , etc. Where these classic series went wrong often times it when they mixed things up too much and the devs were either unable to figure out what went wrong or stubbornly refused to change back to the fan desired format.

>>16796443

I agree with most of your examples, except Final Fantasy, as that is one series that most part, tried to reinvent itself with each iteration, at least starting with 6 or 7, don't know much about the previous games, except that 2 had a job system that was unique to itself.

>>16796449

FF1 - 5 kept elements tied with each release with having the plot centered around the elemental crystal macguffins and keeping certain repeating bits like Odin chilling in castle basements. The tweaks were how the character systems were in each game as well has how the plot ends up. 2 had the leveling system that the director implemented in the SaGa series. Regardless, the early Final Fantasies would generally start out similar before ultimately ending the journey to some bizarre outcome.

>>16796427

oh god even among shadow levels lost impact and cosmic fall were the shittiest

>>16796814

>Is that the reason why the only "good" 3D games are all titles that started out as being 3D in the first place?

Do games like Mario 64 and Rayman 2 just not exist in your mind?

>>16796656

Reminds me of when Mischief Makers not selling so well because it was a 2D side scroller on a 3D console in which at the time many gamers only give a shit for 3D cause its new. A lot of franchises make the transition because they don't want to feel antiquated and lose to budding series.

The biggest reason why Sonicfags want another adventure game is because they miss Chao Garden.

>>16796826

>what is the exception that proves the rule?

>>16798412

>>16798415

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>>16798419

More, please?

i like yuji uekawas artwork

A Ghost's Pumpkin Soup (Pumpkin Hill Remix)

Why haven't there been more side games like Pinball? I'd play a Sanic golf game where you have to spin and POING yourself off springs n shiet toward the hole.

>>16798865

No clue since pinball works so well.

Last pinball game was the GBA Sonic Pinball Party.

>>16798867

Kind of odd considering how many applications going fast and bouncing around could have. I know they made some runner game but that's entirely obvious to do.

>>16798865

theres a sonic 2 hack for that

>>16787098

>t. Retard who thinks Sonic is speed and only speed, not platforming/exploration with speed as a reward

Massive oof, plus cringe

>>16799601

I'm kinda disappointed.

>>16800089

well exactly how would you improve it?

>>16799568

Silver looks like Squilliam in that panel.

So how badly are they going to fuck up the Adventure remake?

>>16799980

You're not wrong but we don't use cuckchan lingo here.

>>16800134

>Though, some companies had managed to fuck it up remakes regardless because they were retarded.

So, like Sonic Team then? The Modern and Classic Sonic gameplay weren't as good as the previous games they were based on in Forces.

>>16800141

of course, sega will manage to fuck even that up

>>16800166

No, although that Metal Sonic shirt looks nice.

>>16800398

It's interesting to see that both the UK and US Sega Shops stock different items.

>>16800772

You have a point. It sucks that the failure of 06 killed the adventure formula and Iizuka says he and Sonic Team never wants the series to go back to that formula.

Sonic team just experiments looking to see what sticks.

>>16800163

Cuckchan tier posts get cuckchan responses.

>>16793023

>but why do very few mention that Heroes and Shadow were the better games of the "Adventure Era"?

Because they fucking aren't. No, just because you enjoyed playing Shadow when you were 5 and had no defined taste in games doesn't make it good.

>Dimps

Because the games got progressively worse and uninspired.

>>16801289

This game had Madworld's writers.

>>16801318

Ken looks like a pedo to be honest.

>>16801739

CROCKED

Is it wrong to think Sonic X is a good show?

>>16801778

I don't know, I mean they have breasts, and the evolutionary purpose of breasts is to breast feed, so it stands to reason that they should have nipples.

I mean say what you will about the rest of the cast, but in the context of Vanilla, she has a daughter, which means she fucked at some point and has female genitalia, and Rabbits do breast feed their babies. so it stands to reason she should have nipples.

>>16801799

>which means she fucked at some point and has female genitalia

I'd laugh if she was virgin and there's storks in the Sonic universe.

>>16801873

The human characters will obviously have regular human biology like toes and nipples. So it's obvious they fuck and reproduce.

The feet of the anthros are featureless ovals, no toes or anything. My guess is that they have no nipples either like thr male anthros.

I can imagine Rouge remove her suit and you see her naked boobs have no nipples. That may kill the collective boners of anons here.

As for anthro reproduction, I'm unsure about that.

>>16802014

The furries are all clearly wearing a skin tight fur bodysuit .

honestly i wish sonic would get more cyberspace themed levels because that type of levels usually seems to get underused

>>16802023

But the SatAM characters have toes, which Sonic game characters canonically don't have.

I prefer the Sonic OVA and AOSTH over SatAM.

>>16802033

>I prefer the Sonic OVA and AOSTH over SatAM.

The SatAM faction of the fanbase is the most autistic part of the Sonic fanbase.

Most Sonic lolcows come from SatAM's fanbase.

>>16802023

>the girls in Sonic wouldn't be wearing clothes if they didn't have anything to hide

I'm pretty sure they wear clothes for style, not that they have anything to hide.

Chicks like fashion.

>>16802059

I forgot that garbage existed.

>>16802065

SEGA officially said Sonic has no relatives.

>>16802077

I know that, but I still like the idea of Sonic's mom being a Queen, even if the actual Cartoon wasn't very good.

>>16802065

>Ken Penders

Thank fuck he can't touch Sonic anymore.

IDW Sonic is great and Whisper is the cutest.

>>16802077

According to Sega, Sonic was born on Christmas Island.

Also according to Sega, he has no parents.

Also according to Sega, Sonic is a homeless drifter that sleeps in various places as he travels.

>>16802046

So they all wear clothes for fashion, and every single one of them just happens to wear clothes that cover where there naughty bits aren't, by sheer coincidence? While all the guys wear clothes that leave nothing to the imagination, every single known female just happens to wear clothing that covers those parts up, even though they don't have to?

>>16802102

>While all the guys wear clothes

Sonic and other male anthros only wear gloves and shoes. They are technically naked.

>every single known female just happens to wear clothing that covers those parts up, even though they don't have to?

Yeah. Female Sonic anthros wear them for style.

>>16802123

>Sonic and other male anthros only wear gloves and shoes.

They've worn other accessories. Sonic has shades in Riders. Vector has a chain and headphones. Big has a belt. Hell, Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow get unlockable full bodysuits in SA2. I just find it extremely coincidental that every single female anthro covers their bits for fashion when they could be fashionable without covering them.

>>16802153

Imagine Amy's naked body looking exactly like Sonic's but pink instead of blue.

>>16802174

I dropped it after seeing Flynn's tirade: http://archive.ph/VRmiY

>>16802210

You only have allegiances to the pub and my mum

>>16802210

Honestly I could probably write a Sonic comic just based off of lore in the Japanese manuals and the bonkers box quotes. I mean it's Sonic the bar for story isn't super high. Like, just examining the fact that Silver will keep on repeating the same mistakes because his future is always doomed and he goes back to fix it only to erase his own history as well is about the most complex I'd be willing to go. That's, what, Gamma level? Gamma is like Sonic Team just wrote the one of the best video game stories ever and put it in a Sonic game, as a joke. I haven't even played Adventure outside of a demo at Sam's Club decades ago, but I'm close to a Sonic Lore Master.

>>16802518

just go read pirated pages on readcomiconline.to

>>16802199

>Sure, the entire country is drowning, but white Americans are content as long as they can watch everyone else choke on their dying breaths first.

I dunno man, I think he's got my number there

>>16794045

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>>16802174

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>>16802227

I WANT TO CUM INSIDE WHISPER!

>>16802541

>readcomiconline.to

So it's kissmanga but for Western comics.

>>16802455

I feel like if SA1 had an optional fishing minigame instead of forcing you to play as Big, it would be a lot more fondly remembered. Actually if somebody made a hack of a classic Sonic game featuring Big, but he played like if Umihara Kawase had a character that was a literal wrecking ball then that sounds fucking sick. It's days like this that I wish I was the one who got into programming because of Sonic and not my brother. I gave up on Sonic after Chaotix, personally. Actually I've got an idea of how to spruce up Chaotix, too bad the disassembly of it isn't in a great state right now.

>>16802749

Same honestly.

>>16796304

Actually re-reading this post I find it super interesting that Izuka doesn't consider the Super Emeralds canon, because in the Sonic story they probably aren't. If you get all the regular emeralds but not the Super ones, you see a scene where the Eggrobo comes out of a pile of Eggrobo bodies, setting up the plot for Knuckles' story since it takes place after Sonic's. However, there's nothing in particular that says Knuckles didn't do anything with the Super Emeralds, and the slightly different shape of them and slightly different mechanics in the Adventure games implies they might have been super powered anyway. Who fucking knows.

>>16803008

I would think the Tails level would be neat if he was on the Tornado and it plays like an aerial rail shooter like Star Fox 64.

>>16802541

>>16802518

>>16802790

>>16802749

>>16802199

>>16802526

Stop consuming their crap and make your own lol

Even if you follow the foreign stuff, they'll inevitably be subverted too. Stop wasting your time and money on those that hate you.

>>16803030

i believe in u dawg, invest in urself

>>16803025

I didn't pay a cent reading their comics. I read them all free on readcomiconline.to

>Make your own

An Anon >>16802222 already suggested the idea as a board project

>>16803052

I want to fuck that Amy.

>>16803052

Sonic's twitter has lost its edge

>>16803405

Of the "modern" (it's been over a decade since we've had new member of the main cast unless you count the Whisps in late 2010 or Sicks who I'm not sure if she is because she got imported from Boom) Sonic characters she seems arguably the most "classic" of them. In comparison to Shadow, Rouge, Silver, or Omega, her story is relatively simple. She's a lot more like Knuckles, in a way? It's kind of hard to describe since I'm not really a writer. I think a lot of Sonic fans like Blaze for whatever reason, not sure why exactly. I mean I like her alright, for what it's worth. Another thing, if the boost gameplay ever goes away for Sonic, I feel like she'd also be a fine fit for a re-interpretation of it, 2D like Rush or 3D like every boost game.

>>16803449

I think the thing that makes her feel different is the fact she's one of the few Sonic characters that can't really be shoved into a Dragon Ball archetype.

>>16793040

you know this "mod installer" overwrites the steam version with the 2004 version? the steam version itself doesn't have mods.

>>16803449

>She's a lot more like Knuckles, in a way?

That's because she's her dimension's equivalent of Knuckles. Like Knuckles, she's also an Emerald Guardian.

Unlike Knuckles, she's not a knucklehead.

She's supposed to protect not only the Sol Emeralds but also the Jeweled Scepter which is her dimension's equivalent to the Master Emerald though that's kind of a stretch.

Honestly I would like a Sonic 3 & Knuckles hack with Silver, Marine and Blaze as playable characters fighting Eggman Nega.

Playstyle wise, she's similar to Sonic and has more of Sonic's protagonistic role in her world. I would imagine that in some alternate universe Blaze Adventure would feature Solaris transforming through the sol emeralds he steals from Blaze and would be a good game. Then Blaze 06 comes out and where you fight Chaos and it is a shitty infamous game while Big the Cat is the second playable character along with a black edgy cat girl to use the Sol Emeralds and go super to fight Chaos.

Oh boy, don't get me started on the werecat in Blaze Unleashed.

>>16801831

The color banding does bother me, you aren't the only person to notice it.

>>16803487

2004 version doesn't have the best support for modern controllers and gives you a bug where the camera is perpetually spinning. Also, the mod doesn't have the god awful mouse controls.

>>16803489

You reminded me of another Sonic hack concept, although this one is for the more well documented but still bullshit Sonic 3 b/w Knuckles. Remember the Competition Mode? I personally really liked all the tracks and thought the art assets there were really nice. The only problem is that because they had to do split screen, the graphics were really tiny. However, upon seeing the Retro Engine ports of the classic Sonic games, I realized this would actually be super useful to let you see what's coming more easily. You could probably make a simple five zone game completely out of those themes, and the work you'd have to do would be drawing a few new assets, changing some character movesets, adding some enemies/bosses, doing some fun level gimmicks, adding the standard Sonic 3 zone/act transitions if you're feeling up to it, and composing some act 2 music if you even bother to make it two act.

As for Blaze's moveset in the classic game, I really thing there's something that can be learned from Rush at least. I'd keep the boost gameplay, but how to get boost is something I'm not sure of. In various Sonic games boost has come from enemies, rings, tricks, and "monitors". I don't think tricks are a great fit, but if somebody can implement them well I'd like to see it. With enemies it would actually give you a reason to fight them unlike in most Sonic games where they're better off avoided. If it were tied to rings in a way similar to Sonic Advance 2's boost mode, that could be interesting, or if it actually cost rings given the similarity of boost to how Super Sonic is played that would probably be fine. I'd also give her the homing attack but make it act more similarly to how Sonic interacts with enemies in the 2D games. That is to say, it's a factor of how she got on to them in the first place, so it doesn't kill momentum. I wouldn't give her a spin attack since her boost would serve the purpose of "instant speed that also acts as a ground attack". That's just an example, though.

>>16803554

I forgot about the Lost World guys, but they're basically Koopalings but worse, in the same way that Lost World is just Mario but worse. Aside from the parkour, I'd love to see that in Sonic's moveset. Imagine charging a drop dash but hitting a wall, so it makes you go up the fucking wall a bit. Or running but hitting a wall, then speeding up it a bit anyway based on the momentum. Also while I'm mentioning the drop dash, in Japan the Insta-Shield from Sonic 3 is known as the W-Spin Attack, meaning that we could probably justify putting that at the start of the drop dash anyway adding a lot to Sonic's moveset. Make the hurtbox fucking huge and you can even get rid of the homing attack in 3D, since every other platformer aside from Mario had a good spinny move to deal with enemies less precisely. Back to Blaze though, yeah I can see what you're saying. I actually played Sonic Rush, although it's been forever since I actually played it, so I know where you're coming from. I'm not much of a shipping guy, so my view on Sonic is that he's like the wind, settling down doesn't work for him. Although clearly Sega has different ideas on how Sonic is portrayed these days. In a lot of good classic and even Adventure era stuff, Sonic didn't try to be cool by making bad jokes and quips (okay maybe the occasional quip). He just didn't give a fuck most of the time, but would be the kind of guy to give you weird life advice like on the box art. Or maybe he's just autistic, I don't fucking know, it would certainly explain a lot about the fanbase.

Does anyone else feel like Sonic Riders was the perfect "Sonic" answer to Mario Kart? Full of attitude, edge, cheesy lines, stupid simple plots, everything I fucking hate that defines Sonic nowadays. And yet it adds a certain character that Mario Kart lacks A sense of speed that the opponent has trouble replicating. What's even worse is that the original experiment was the best result, and Free Riders ended this idea. As great as Sonic Racing Transformed was, I feel like Sonic in a car doesn't compare in concept to this series.

>>16803631

True, it should come back as a series. The story is pretty stupid as far as it goes and apparently according to Riders all Bird anthro characters on Sonic's world descended from Ancient Aliens.

My guess is that ot might be difficult to create another plot revolving around the Babylonian Rogues since Riders have plots revolving around them and the ancient bird civilization.

>>16803631

the first game was alright but zero gravity and Free riders were my least favorite

It looks like modders are starting to take more cracks at SA2

This site seems to be where they're gathering some interesting ones

https://gamebanana.com/games/5855

>>16803765

>When I grow up

Rouge is shorter than Vanilla. Isn't Rouge supposed to be 16?

>>16803783

>Big is 18

Why is a big fat adult male hanging around with two little girls ages 12 & 6?

>>16803788

Well in Sonic Heroes, big only got ropped into Team Rose because Froggy was taken, and he shared something in common with Cream cause Chocola Chao was also taken.

If Froggy wasn't taken he probably wouldn't have given a single fuck about anything and had just keep on fishing that day.

>>16803799

He's such a chill bro.

>>16803788

Are you jealous?

>>16803817

>BOTH Cream and Amy

Who wouldn't be jealous.

>>16803821

Me because I'd rather Tails and Epsio and Charmy

>>16803825

I never understood this image, because you can be bi, or even gay and still have kids?

>>16803839

You missed the point of the fucking joke. It's supposed to be like a Zombie Apocalypse, but with fags.

>>16803843

Right but nothing is changing

>>16803844

found the fag

>>16803740

That stage looks like absolute cancer.

>>16803765

That's not, actually. SA2 PC has had a modding scene for years, now, and that's a recent mod.

>>16803883

Well I think they can't actually just delete a stage, and make a new one from scratch yet. So they took a Mech stage and tried mixing it up into a casino themed level.

>>16801798

i like the episode where sonic went insane on that cruise ship