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a9dff8 No.16780365
Tales of eternia:
All the camping skits has been removed. Meaning a ton of character building and generally fun scenes has been removed.
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bb4b20 No.16780367
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9b95e0 No.16780381
>>16780365
Working Designs, especially in the Sega CD era. They like to play around with the game's internal stats to make them "harder" (Or in most cases, break the game to be near unplayable.)
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Lunar Eternal Blue & Silhouette Mirage. They changed LEB so that it cost magic exp points to save. And every time you saved, that cost more exp than the last time. In SM they changed the money system so that all the shop items cost WAAAY more than what they where in the Japanese version. This forces you to "cash bash" every mook enemy to afford one special weapon. This made a fast play game into a slow tedious affair.
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21ae94 No.16780423
>>16780381
I'm glad I learned Japanese so I can go back and play games that were ruined by hacks like Ireland.
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cce616 No.16780429
>>16780381
There's a patch for LEB here that fixes all of their gameplay changes. Sadly it doesn't fix the translation.
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=23436.0
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a44241 No.16780722
The localization of every one of the Tales games is abysmal. They layer cheese upon cheese for shits and giggles when the originals are serious in tone.
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44a8b0 No.16780738
>>16780722
Standout examples? I know about laziness problems like Abyss having unvoiced skits, OP's example, and Berseria/Vesperia Definitive having sloppy translations in the side stuff, but I didn't hear much about script fuckery.
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21ae94 No.16780739
>>16780738
>but I didn't hear much about script fuckery
You rarely do, but it always happens.
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8d17b2 No.16780743
>>16780738
Abyss is blatantly awful if you play the undub after the dub, I wouldn't know how bad Berseria or Vesperia are since I don't have any interest playing games worse than Abyss when Abyss itself isn't exactly good.
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23cd0e No.16780744
>>16780722
Even the fan translations aren't great. Remember the "fucks like a tiger" line?
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a9dff8 No.16780747
>>16780744
To be fair though, that translation was released almost 20 years ago (2001).
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b48ce7 No.16780748
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00e71a No.16780756
Ace combat 3 International.
Here's a small list
>The entire story removed from the game
>The Japanese version of the game came in two discs. The international versions of the game only came in one disc.
>The Japanese version has 52 missions, along with a story branch and multiple endings. The international versions only has 36 missions, and the story is linear with only one ending.
>The anime cutscenes found in the Japanese version were replaced with text slideshows with a bunch of infodump on what was going on about once every ten missions.
>The Japanese version has intelligent teammates fighting alongside you in battle. The international versions removed the intelligent teammates, making almost all of your missions solo.
>The Japanese version featured a deep plot. The international versions replaced the deep plot with a generic plot instead.
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a93fa9 No.16780778
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>>16780381
But Working Designs were based. They made the games actually challenging and the 90s references were so funny.
:^)
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96ec45 No.16780929
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b4cea8 No.16781034
The German version is literally just a machine-translation.
For a big company like Capcom, this is just pathetic.
Talking about the PS2 version, don't know if they improved it in the Remaster.
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8d17b2 No.16781038
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7b1b0e No.16781202
>>16780367
No one here has made an updated list because people can't read the NISA forums anymore (NISA nuked it) and no one here wants to play NISA games. GameFAQs is probably the only place that would talk about the issues but its a gamble. Still, I consider NISA worse than EA because they're ruining games I like. At least EA has run out of IPs to destroy in the west. NISA can still ruin anything from Japan and are now fucking with Falcom games.
>>16780756
I would say this and Ar Tonelico 2 are tied for worst localizations in gaming history.
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43c608 No.16781230
>>16780381
Speaking of Working Designs, that Ireland fuck is screwing over Class of Heroes still despite his new company not doing anything after their Summon Night 6 shitshow. Any other company that wants to bring over the Class of Heroes anniversary remake on the switch gets blocked because Ireland is clutching onto the license.
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8d0f28 No.16781238
>>16780423
>>16781230
How can one country fuck over so many translations?
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8d17b2 No.16781241
>>16781238
California isn't a country and 8-4 is located in Japan.
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1e7470 No.16781246
>>16780722
Hey man Vesperia was great
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9d6d40 No.16781247
>>16780743
>>16780722
>>16780738
Abyss in particular isn't that bad, and it's 8-4 we're talking about, even. There are instances of rewrites, but within reason (e.g. the cooking skit where instead of Luke calling Anise with a -sama honorific, the subs say that 'he will do anything she wants'). Xillia was shakier, but it did slightly improve in some terms (Gin/Origin turning into Spyrix/Spyrite, instead of confusing players with a name from and old Tales summon spirit). When it comes to arte names though, shit is laughably bad. X2 ups the ante in the worst way.
Lack of voiced skits in Abyss was most likely Bamco being cheapskates but they finally learned to voice them… starting with fucking Legendia of all things. Baby steps. Oh, and they just had to fuck it up by not voicing the CQs. Even the undub can't restore voices since the scripts excised all voice calls. Fuck.
>>16780756
Thankfully there is the fan translation. It even works great on a modded PS3 (using an USB flightstick!)
>>16781202
AT2 is legendary indeed. Lines left untouched, the battle graphics being messed up, scripts modified so that effects don't work in scenes, the whole Hymmnos rendering fucked up, and to top it all off, the Raki bug.
Once again, thankfully there's a fan RE-translation.
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000000 No.16781250
>>16780365
All of them. Localization = censorship.
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2473ea No.16781252
>>16781250
>Cultural jokes and themes that aren't possible to translate are censorship
I doubt you even understand them yourself.
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271281 No.16781268
>>16781252
Those are the only acceptable changes tbh. The problem is they use that as license to go too far.
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8d0f28 No.16781316
>>16781241
I speaketh of Ireland
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8d17b2 No.16781320
>>16781316
>Ireland
>country
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c564b9 No.16781328
>>16781320
>neo spain gundam
Funnily enough there's a real size Mazinger in Spain that predates Odaiba's Gundam
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8d17b2 No.16781329
>>16781328
I'm surprised they erected one up before the nips, what autists.
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875ed4 No.16781353
>>16781329
Hispanics as a whole are very autistic.
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21ae94 No.16781356
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e64967 No.16781381
>>16780365
Suikoden 2 had an especially bad translation, and bugs not found in the original nip version.
>The perhaps most important character in the story besides PC's name changes in the middle of the story from Jowy to Joei, and then back to Jowy
>Random bits of dialogue were left untranslated, displaying as gibberish; pic related
>NA version introduced a bug that mangled the name of the imported S1 PC
On the plus side, suikoden fans are especially powerful autists, and their combined autism has created a version of S2 based of the PAL version that fixes almost every issue and miscellaneous bug.
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f50899 No.16781416
>>16781353
>Hispanics
Nigga we are talking about Spaniards not Hispanics.
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21ae94 No.16781435
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d22730 No.16781575
>>16781202
Turns out that list was also posted on Pastebin, but it hasn't been updated since November 2017 and the author hasn't posted anything since May.
https://pastebin.com/1tSpV4E2
If anyone was to make a updated version of this, I'm pretty sure that alongside making it up-to-date some of the entries (like first two Neptunia games and Rhapsody DS for example) should also be updated with more info.
I'll also post some stuff I saved regarding NISA. The last pic came from a 2017 interview with Sohei Shinkawa where he praised NISA for their translations.
https://www.4gamer.net/games/353/G035361/20170217067/
If that blackpillfag starts posting after this, it's safe to assume that he's a bot. Remember to ignore and report him.
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bbd85a No.16781590
>>16781381
This the one you mean, or is there some other that does more? Doesn't exactly sound like it does anything to fix the translation, similar to the way Unworked Designs only restores the gameplay parameters of the shit Working Designs purposely fucked up.
>>16781575
Hadn't known there was a pastebin dump. Looks like the author, or at least uploader has made some other pastebins since then, but yeah, it's noticeable that he hasn't bothered returning to edit/update the NISA one past 2017. Makes me wonder if he'd been writing from personal experiences and stopped bothering with NISA (as anyone rightly should), or was just archiving things other people had noted and the sources don't care.
>Back of Ys VIII image
Is that meant to be a line from the game, or did someone insert a fucking office memo, and in French no less? I mean, either would be fucking incompetent, but there's varying degrees between the two.
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fd22b6 No.16781592
>>16781575
From the Nep thread:
>HDN, HDN Mk2 and Victory: NISA cancer.
>Re;Birth 1 and V-II: Translation is alright, no worries from these ones.
>Re;Birth 2: Not obviously bad at the start, but gets much worse as it goes along: in particular Neptune and Ram were screwed hard during localization. However, there is a Re;Translation made on our very own board (see above links).
>Re;Birth 3: Better than the original NISA translation in Victory but still quite a lot of cancer. Main game has been retranslated, translators still required to translate DLC content.
>All of the spin-offs: Varying translation quality. These range from cancer to mediocre. Recent releases have been somewhat better overall.
Both Re;birth 2 and 3 have translations for PC and Vita, and I think the DLC might be done by now? Not sure. Also your second image is from Producing Perfection.
As for that other Pastebin I'll confirm the occasional Japanese CG appears in Danganronpa 2. The jump hitbox thing is supposedly related to the Monomi mini-game. Also this misses the splendour of how bad the V3 translation is. This is the obvious one from it.
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ff15a8 No.16781593
>>16781482
>Hispanics are a mix of various half and quarterbreed bastards as well as americoid Indios.
That's a latino, you stupid fuck.
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1d5d98 No.16781615
>>16780365
WHAT THE FUCK
I loved that game as a kid, i don't believe they removed something so great from it.
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a9dff8 No.16782440
>>16780365
Didn't literally the same thing happen to one of the DS versions of the dragon quest games? I remember back when they were being released, people saying things like '50 percent of the script removed from the English version, due to the removal of skits'.
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209a83 No.16782449
>>16782440
Yeah. Dragon Quest 4's DS remake removed all the party chat dialogue from the game because Square Enix was too fucking lazy. So a shit ton of character development is missing
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bbd85a No.16782637
>>16781615
I have to wonder if the western team was stuck working within the technical constraints of what was present in the Japanese version at that point. Considering the fantranslations of Tales of Phantasia PS1 added text boxes for the skits, I'd assume it would also be feasible to have done for Eternia if they were allowed to request implementation of such out here, and would have probably been easier to work with than having to weigh more English voice work (the quality of which most people consider pretty low). This is, of course, assuming it wasn't Namco just being lazy or cheap, of which it's not like they haven't been; Legend of Heroes Gagharv trilogy being a key example of both at once.
Eternia's PSP port could have been a chance to rectify it, or even redub it. But either Bamco felt PS1 sales were poor enough here, or it got caught in SCEA PS1-to-PSP port ruling for western releases, because either it never came to North America, And while PAL actually got it, Bamco couldn't even care to publish it themselves there. Instead Ubisoft did, they bought the rights to the existing English script and audio, didn't care to translated the skits either, but did introduce a game-ruining bug into the first one or two print runs, as if PAL Tales fans should just expect to get fucked over by that point (being denied every entry short of Symphonia prior).
Not that it excuses it being cut in the first place, but I'd think it wouldn't be too hard for fans to rectify at this point via hacking. After all, Phantasia PS1's patches managed to implement hacked in text frames, calls, and timing to sub the skits. Sadly it's never happened. Eternia remains rather forgotten and underplayed (which I wouldn't be surprised if that's given working on the skits low demand), and there's no active English fan translation groups working on the series for a few years now anyhow.
>>16782449
Yes, Square-Enix is lazy, and cheap, but the bigger issue is they're also fucking retards with what they spend their time and money on with the series. Someone high up clearly thinks the "lel so fahnny" accents Dragon Quest VIII had were the selling factor for the game doing so well here. Only, they don't seem to get that accents (if they have to be used in the first place) work best as audio with the text left legible, and thus don't work out nearly as well in a text-only script. So they get the game's main content translated, and then dumped even more time and money on a thoroughly-unnecessary-yet-deemed-completely-necessary "culturization" of all the dialogue in a way that makes it harder to read, and then decided they didn't want to have to maintain the cohesion in the party chat as well, either because of of yet more unnecessarily-additional costs, or because they figured not many western fans even bother with party chat to begin with.
Credit where it's due, the fanbase raised enough of a (justified) stink that they've actually kept the party chat in subsequent games they brought over, for now anyhow. But it doesn't change the fact they eternally fucked the western release of IV DS, and while there's a fan made patch to strip the accents away, it doesn't re-implement and retranslate the party chat. And while on the topic, Square gets to use its absence from the DS version, which they fucking caused, as a selling point for the mobile port here, being that they actually left them in that time.
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f70525 No.16783043
>>16781590
>This the one you mean, or is there some other that does more?
Maybe its the same one, I don't know for sure or not. I got mine from somewhere else I think. Attached is the patch I had, rename extension to zip. I promise its not full of aids :^)
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