1896ff No.16774796
Some of you may defend it, but THIS FUCKING THING is the cause of so many problems. Let me explain:
Right now, I'm playing Half-Life on Dreamcast, and I made an observation while playing the game: It is absolutely tough to play. Now, before some of you jokers start coming in here and going "Well, what do expect trying to play a PC designed FPS?" That has nothing to do with it. First of all, the only initial "problems" with transferring a PC shooter over the Dreamcast as far as the actually "aim and shooting" mechanics is just having to deal with the 5% deadzone on the Dreamcast control stick, learning how to play a shooter "Southpaw" style, and just heaving to learn to get around the really tiny reticule. Everything else is exactly the same. Where the difference comes in, HOWEVER, is that you need to take your finger off of the control stick to crouch, jump, and switch weapons.
This is where everything makes the difference.
With the introduction of the Dualshock, players were given six buttons that they're fingers will be on the entire time without having to stop moving and looking. With all six of these buttons, you're able to (1) shoot, (2) crouch, (3) jump, (4) zoom (If the game allows it), (5) switch weapons, and (6) whatever extra action you want (Basic action, prev/next weapon, switch a different type of weapon, use the alt. fire, etc.). And, games are increasingly "streamlining" the process to accommodate those six buttons.
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856366 No.16774803
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48fe7c No.16774807
>>16774796
What you are basically saying is that by finally inventing a controller that's works decently, they "destroyed the game industry" because developers used it. Sooner or later it was going to happen. Blaming the controller for shitty development practices doesn't get you anywhere.
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33704a No.16774828
>PS joystick, then talks about a PC game on Dreamcast
>i was playing a game the other day in a completely obtuse way different as it was designed, but that's definetely NOT the issue here
>the problem is that one day companies made a gamepad design so versatile and useful, that now everyone uses that design
Not only you're saying retarded shit, buy your logic basically has 2 parts with no connection between them whatsoever.
Go to sleep m8, you kinda need it.
But talking serious, the main problem is not the pad design, but the fact that almost no one else takes risks anymore, especially in changing the way people play games. It has nothing to do with the fact that the PS original design proved to be basic but very useful design, but that no company came out with a more radical way of playing.
I think Nintendo was the last to start a trend like that with the motion controller, but i want to see even more weird shit in the future, and not just from them.
I dream of a day with mind-input commands
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632992 No.16774834
>>16774828
We haven't had six face buttons since the Duke. Controllers like Xbone Elite are coming out with squeeze triggers now. I wonder why six face buttons haven't returned. I did enjoy using Steam's owltits as a trackpad in FPS games. Too bad most games that could benefit it can only do either gamepad or KB+M mode. Also the trackpad was worthless outside of FPS.
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0cc735 No.16774841
>>16774807
I agree, his main complaint is that the controller worked better and allowed more functions to be done simultaneously so devs figured they would try to use that button space as efficiently as possible. I guess they should have made controllers with less functions to prevent that.
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632992 No.16774845
>>16774841
What about the contrary of having more buttons for input, or even motion controls and/or touchpad?
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1896ff No.16774850
>>16774807
>by finally inventing a controller that's works decently, they "destroyed the game industry" because developers used it
>>16774841
>I guess they should have made controllers with less functions to prevent that.
The point that I was more trying to make was more towards all the fags complaining about how shooters, and similar titles, have to be "dumbed down" to accommodate console controls. Probably should have explained myself better.
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894bc3 No.16774851
>>16774850
Except shooters aren't dumbed down to accomodate console controls, they're dumbed down to accomodate dumb consumers.
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1896ff No.16774854
>>16774851
That was the point I was trying to make.
Like I said, I should have explained myself better.
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0cc735 No.16774875
>>16774850
Well yes they have been dumbed down, but I don't think that's the fault of any one controller, it's the nature of controllers in general. They will never have as many buttons as a keyboard, you'll never have 1-0 keys to quickly flip through weapons for example. No controller could accommodate that many unique inputs without being unwieldy. Blaming the dual shock for the dumbing down of shooters and games in general is entirely misguided in my opinion.
>>16774845
What do you mean?
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000000 No.16774879
>>16774796
Quit consuming soy. It rots the brain.
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632992 No.16774881
>>16774875
I mean things like gyro and two analog sticks give you roughly three sets of analog input to work with. Yet most games stick with two. FPS ports use gyro on Switch as a second right analog stick substituting for mouse on PC. Three analog could be easily implemented in a control scheme if both left and right analogue sticks could be used for something else. Keep in mind that putting your thumb on analog sticks means you won't focus that much on digital pad and face buttons outside of one press hotkeys. I don't know many games that would benefit from three analog inputs outside of flight sims maybe.
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0cc735 No.16774892
>>16774881
Yeah I'm not sure either, honestly as far as gyro controls go I'm not really sure what to say about them as I've never used them myself before. So I can't really comment on how exactly they would work out, I know a lot of anons say that the gyro controls on the wiiu I believe made fine aiming in splatoon better or something but I can't really imagine how that would feel so I can't really speculate on it personally.
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dabcea No.16774900
>>16774796
>six buttons that they're fingers will be on the entire time without having to stop moving and looking
>6 buttons
Assuming for a gamepad you never take either thumb off the analog sticks, and on a keyboard never move any finger off the key it's resting on (with the exception of W and S), isn't that actually two more buttons than you'd get on PC?
I mean, I know you can rest your middle finger on the scroll-wheel but I never actually see anyone do that because it's not as uncomfortable. Much more interesting are the two side buttons most gaming mice have that always rest conveniently under the thumb, but games tend to ignore them in favor of pleasing the lowest common denominator so they wouldn't count.
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632992 No.16774902
>>16774892
I think I know a Wiiu game that uses three analog axises. Though right stick rotated the ship, accelerate, and decelerate. They could have been mapped to triggers and buttons like the last games. Also gyro aiming can work but you have to look at the gamepad to fine aim. If you could aim gyro without the gamepad FOV then this game could have been saved. Maybe if the right stick could control your acceleration and deceleration with analog precision in an open map. But I digress.
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3f5d85 No.16774915
>>16774900
>but games tend to ignore them in favor of pleasing the lowest common denominator so they wouldn't count.
What? Just rebind the keys you retarded snob. Why would the default controls use buttons most people don't have?
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dabcea No.16774919
>>16774915
Because we're speaking about games in the context of being streamlined around their input devices. You can't streamline a game around buttons most people don't have you drooling dumbfuck, read the thread.
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1d62d8 No.16774924
>>16774796
Why the fuck are you playing it with a fucking controller, when the Dreamcast has a perfectly good mouse and keyboard?
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4be199 No.16774951
>>16774796
Didn't the biggest influx of normalfags into gaming happen when Wii was released?
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fce38a No.16774971
>>16774951
Its OK when Nintendo does it. How new are you?
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3bf0b0 No.16774985
>>16774951
The millions of grandmas and grandpas that bought the Wii, mostly sticked to Wii Sports and other similar games. They didn't invade other fanbases demanding games to cater to them, also because they barely know how to use the internet.
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2ea2a2 No.16774990
>>16774951
People made fun of me because I had a wii instead of an Xbox or PlayStation.
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dc26fe No.16774991
>>16774951
This controller is cash for lightgun styled games though.
>>16774990
This, so I proceeded to get one of the others just to end up with a bunch of multiplats for it. Then I threw out all pretenses and used it to watch anime on. I can't even think of a single ps3 game that's a must-play.
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3bf0b0 No.16774996
>>16774991
Yakuza 3 and Demon Souls, are some good games from what I heard, don't own a PS3.
Though most of the "must plays" have been ported to the PS4.
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b2ebc0 No.16774998
>>16774796
>design a controller that lets you do a lot at once while also being comfortable
>THIS DESTROYED THE GAME INDUSTRY
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2ea2a2 No.16774999
>>16774998
> >comfortable
How small are your hands?
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b2ebc0 No.16775002
>>16774999
no idea in comparison to yours but I've never had an issue with any controller so I'd imagine average
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ae3dd7 No.16775037
>>16774996
Yakuza is just japanese GTA no? I don't particularly like those story-driven games. I like some of the more arcade style GTAs but only to drive in really. They really just made the game less fun to walk in with the newer ones. You walk so goddamn slow. I prefer games that I can actually play like Mr Heli. I still have an almost untouched copy of Mafia 2. The AI is retarded in these type of games I don't know how they can ever be immersive to anyone.
>demon souls
Didn't really like Dark Souls all that much. It's too slow. It's like a slow DMC or Bayonetta. I prefer having more control over my character. It gets me more invested. My reasoning was always something like that. I prefer games that are responsive. The restrictions in Dark Souls just made the game infuriating and more a test of my patience than my reaction times. I can't imagine playing any of those games without a consistent framerate though.
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ff74f9 No.16775041
>>16774796
>the controller that destroyed the game industry
It's just an SNES controller with hand grips and L2/R2 buttons. The analog sticks came later - another Nintendo feature that Sony stole and repurposed.
So really, this is the controller that destroyed gaming?
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2ea2a2 No.16775044
>>16775002
> average
For the target demographic maybe.
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c98318 No.16775048
This is the controller that ruined gaming.
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3f71d8 No.16775056
>>16775041
Anon, that's just an NES controller with four extra buttons. This is the true culprit.
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47e468 No.16775063
Half Life has a dedicated button for
1.) shoot
2.) crouch
3.) jump
4.) zoom
5.) interact
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b27824 No.16775078
>>16774854
>I'm going to make a point by constantly referring to something completely unrelated
Well at least you realized how stupid it was, even if you managed to type up that entire short story and post it before you did.
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b27824 No.16775084
>>16774990
>have nintendo console and PC
>more than half of the shit worth playing on microsoft and sony's consoles winds up on PC anyway
>plus have access to a bunch of indieshit that only gets released on PC because it's easy as fuck
>don't have enough time leftover to play whatever actual exclusive games are left on the current xbox or playstation anyway
Nintendo has the only relevant home consoles left anymore, and it's only because they have a billion first party IPs they never have to release on anything else.
The other two get cucked by PC so often there's no point bothering.
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b2ebc0 No.16775090
>>16775044
>For the target demographic maybe.
I don't like you
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4e24d0 No.16775091
>>16774796
This thread makes absolutely no sense.
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dc26fe No.16775176
>>16775063
No flashlight button? No sprint?
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3d4807 No.16775233
>>16775037
>Yakuza is just japanese GTA no?
No, it's a linear beat 'em up game. The only similarity it has with GTA is that you're a gangster/criminal type.
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000000 No.16775243
just use motion controls retard
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2535dd No.16775512
>tfw no more matte Grey anything
>Everything electronic has to be black metal/plastic or some fucking hideous 100% of one color with no blending
That being said the only real complaint I have about the dual shock is that 4 face buttons was an objective step back for the entire industry, and 6 face buttons should have been the norm
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ff74f9 No.16775556
>>16775512
>>tfw no more matte Grey anything
Matte grey was a Nintendo thing, and it only lasted two generations. Most consoles have been black. N64 was black. NGC was purple (promotional - had a black standard color option), Wii/U were white, Switch is black.
People like black consoles because when they are dark colors, they're easy to hide in your entertainment center so that guests you invite over don't notice it as readily and immediately identify you as a humongous faggot and developmentally stunted manchild.
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2535dd No.16775570
>>16775556
Matte grey was not "a nintendo thing" and was very common for home computers and accessories you wipe assistance required retard.
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b6e044 No.16775586
>>16775570
It was a colour even! My washing machine is greay HAHA OMG LMAO RETURDS
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ff74f9 No.16775605
>>16775570
>Because in a thread shitposting about video game console controllers and their effect on modern game design, people responding should obviously know I was really talking about old fucking office machines and early non-x86 based home computers like the fucking ZX80 and TI 99/4A.
I do miss wood paneling on my consoles though
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2535dd No.16775613
>>16775605
What you're saying is irrelevant, even you know matte grey to be more aesthetically appealing than the wastes of black plastic
Which were originally only the choice because the chemical reaction of the pigment used to make things grey would cause them to become beige and eventually yellow. Which isn't an issue with modern pigmentation of plastics
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9ba6cf No.16775621
Great layout, shit construction. The only (6)controller(s) I've ever broken.
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ff74f9 No.16775622
>>16775613
Honestly, I liked the Purple Nintendo LunchCube
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2535dd No.16775629
>>16775622
I'm willing to bend on the purple gamecube. while it is not a more neutral color, it's not on the level of horrible that sony did with the fucking abhorrent red ps4 controller.
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e63286 No.16775631
>>16774796
The Dreamcast wasn't really made for this kind of games.
>>16774902
>Also gyro aiming can work but you have to look at the gamepad to fine aim.
You can swap screens.
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253c46 No.16775645
>>16774881
>>16774892
>>16774902
>>16775631
I actually play TF2 with the Switch's Pro Controller, I use the right stick to aim normally and flick the controller down for rocket jumping with Soldier; the gyro is also pretty good for fine-aiming with Sniper, once you get use to it.
And then on the Switch itself, Doom 2016 gives you the option to turn on the gyro in addition to standard stick camera controls, though you gotta' fuck with settings to make it useful.
More shooters should make waggle an optional thing at this point, it can totally work.
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c366e9 No.16775653
>>16774854
>>16774851
Well then, dumb consumers then destroyed the game industry. Thanks OP, you faggot
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1c69d0 No.16775849
>>16774834
Steam controller's trackpad works pretty well in RTS and 4X games too. Playing WH40K DoW2 is surprisingly comfortable on it. It's only downside is that you need to have steam running for it to work. Some extra buttons would be nice too.
I hope there will be another version released or some company will rip off the design. I can't play games using mouse and keyboard due to carpal tunnel syndrome. Steam controller is the only option for strategy games, and better than other controllers when it comes to isometric RPGs/action and FPS games.
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55b460 No.16775886
If this thread is just for voicing controller or other input devices frustrations, then let me just say concave (bowl top) analog sticks are cancer and Microsoft destroyed PC game controllers big time. Even DS4 has some of it going on. Only terrible chinkshit controllers and Nintendo controllers have dome tops (unless you mod your controllers anyway), and Nintendo controllers aren't made for PC use (although you can buy chinkshit adapters to maybe use them on PC). Another complaint I have is that the Gamecube controller is more comfortable in my hands for many 3D games (that aren't better played with KB+M) but is missing just a few adjustments to make it good for a general video game controller, and nobody is making clones of it like that. I'm seriously considering getting those wireless Gamecube-style Switch controllers and trying to use it on my PC. You would think somebody would just make them ready to use. Finally, fuck Microsoft's shitty controller API not supporting many more axes for analog buttons. Even now, years after quitting Windows, Microsoft's shitty mistakes haunt me indirectly by limiting the hardware manufacturers.
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5d479f No.16776007
>>16775886
>fuck Microsoft's shitty controller API not supporting many more axes for analog buttons. Even now, years after quitting Windows, Microsoft's shitty mistakes haunt me indirectly by limiting the hardware manufacturers.
fucking this. it's retarded to blame sony when microsoft basically stopped any progress the minute everybody stared using xinput.
>You would think somebody would just make them ready to use.
isn't it? haven't looked into it but especially nintendo stuff usually gets fast support to make it work.
if not I can also recommend caps. always thought they were stupid till I used them myself, depending on height and how thicc the sleeve is you can make a ds4 quite chunky.
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190521 No.16776147
>>16775233
Why would you ever play a beat-em-up? That's even less engaging than the singleplayer campaign of a fighting game. I remember the original Yakuza for dreamcast. The controls were so awful I don't think I ever made it out of the house.
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8f9c6d No.16776183
>>16775849
>It's only downside is that you need to have steam running for it to work.
Do you mean you need steam running for DoW2, or did they actually implement steam DRM into their controller?
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e63286 No.16776302
>>16776183
You need steam running for the controller configurations to work, offline works too.
Without Steam, the Steam controller will act as Keyboard&Mouse with default configuration specially for FPS games.
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4dfa4a No.16776543
>>16775056
What the fuck were they thinking when they designed this. This and PS controllers are the only controllers to cause me actual pain.
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ff74f9 No.16776572
>>16776543
> This and PS controllers are the only controllers to cause me actual pain.
The Master System controller was exactly the same thing, except the pause button was located on the fucking console for some reason. That little screw-on arcade stick was a neat gimmick, but didn't work as well as Sega had hoped and after a bit of time would start to hurt your thumb from the repeated focused pressure. You could take it out and there was a little rubber cap you could insert - but that thing would only last about two weeks before falling out and getting lost - so you had this odd divot in the middle of your D-pad.
The big square shape of the D-Pad didn't help either, since the inputs had trouble registering when moving across the directional. I personally didn't really have an issue with it as a kid, but it's bad design and I get why a lot of people don't like it.
The Sega Genesis controller (especially the six button pad) was godly in general, and especially in comparison to the SMS controller.
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db4b5d No.16780376
>>16775048
It's objectively the best, you're just a fat fuck who needs to sit slumped in the couch while playing games. I am too, but I'd never play a fps with a controller.
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6a55dc No.16780879
>>16775090
He's right though, the dualshock is tiny because it's made for yellow hands. My hands start cramping after less than 1 hour of use because of how small it is. If you have no problem using it is probably because you aren't white and probably a trap too.
>>16775048
I agree, damn amazon basics periferals, they truly suck. Fuck you bezos give me a refund.
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07dd11 No.16780884
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856366 No.16780890
>>16780884
This, it's fucking Reddit level cringe. You could condense it to about 4 lines
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ee7bc8 No.16780891
It certainly killed any possibility of a somewhat original design ever fucking coming out, which is why I'll always applaud Nintendo, regardless of how shit some of their attempts can be. 360/Xbone controllers are just dualshocks with slightly different stick placement, and so is the Switch Pro controller. God forbid they try something new. Hell, the only good thing the Gamecube controller had, the 8-directional ridges, will never be put on a modern controller despite being a small change and immensely useful for numerous genres, because the Dualshock doesn't do it and therefore it is bad and not necessary.
>>16774951
The people that got a Wii never played anything else, except maybe Candy Crush. The retards that got a 360 or PS3 are the ones that still play games and are "real gaymers" who love Skyrim and Bioshock Infinite, those are the ones still playing games.
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