/v/ - Video Games

Is there a game that has more and better depth than Elona+?

unreal world is not fun

>>16773649

You're not fun*

>>16773649

I like some things about Unreal World but playing a game like CDDA scratches the survival itch (though admittedly not as well - I wish winter was harsher in cata) while also providing a lot more in the way of character customization.

>>16773487

Funny, I was just searching for a thread to shitpost about E+.

I picked it up again after a long time and updated from 1.6 to 1.9, and now the balance is all fucked up. I love a lot of the added stuff, but I hate how the guy running it keeps changing the balance around and then fucking with other stuff to balance his balance changes, etc. My biggest problem is how he decided that dungeon boss rewards should scale by depth instead of difficulty; I got legit mad when I cleared a surprisingly difficult dungeon in my updated file and only got 6k gold and junk equipment. It's like for every thing the author does right, he turns around and does some asinine bullshit. He introduced tax prepayment items so you don't have to drop everything and journey to a tax box every month then turned around and made taxes operate off of held money instead of property and fame.

Nethack is surprisingly fun

IVAN is the most fun piece of entertainment to ever be created by the sheer autism of drunk finns.

>>16775899

that's no surprise

>turn based

>permadeath

>random

>ascii graphics

If the game doesn't have all of these, it's not a roguelike.

Does anyone know a beginner tier roguelike for idiots? I'm having a hard time getting used to games like xenon valkyrie and elona+

>>16779659

Depends on how beginner-tier and how idiotic you want it. DoomRL is probably the single easiest "real" roguelike to jump into. If you like Japanimation cartoon drawings, consider Izuna or Izuna 2 for Nintendo DS.

>Xenon Valkyrie is a rogue-lite platformer game

I dunno man that sounds kinda retarded already, maybe you just need to get used to the idea of having the shit kicked out of you mercilessly, that's completely normal

>>16779761

I do get the shit kicked out of me often in games especially fighting ones. I'm just not used to loosing everything in after single run.

>>16779659

only rl i've had fun with was a short one from a game jam, deadface

http://www.roguetemple.com/7drl/2018/

>>16779826

You could jump in the deep end and just play ADoM or Nethack, but I think something Mystery Dungeon style might be good to start with like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon or Shiren the Wanderer. DoomRL, as has been mentioned, is freeware and also specifically intended to minimize rogue widgetry to make it feel more fast-paced.

Alternatively, Elona doesn't have permadeath and it's freeware, so you can screw around while you figure out the system (which is mechanically largely based on ADoM).

>>16779659

Brogue is a decent entry level RL without being made for bitch babies aside from the controls being more ease of access.

>>16779659

Have you tried playing rogue?

>>16779659

DoomRL is pretty good. Make sure to play it with some decent headphones, unlike most roguelikes, sound plays a huge role.

>>16781419

Did you know you can pay $0.99 to purchase Rogue on a Roku-enabled smart TV?

>>16781235

Which Shiren the Wanderer game do you recommend?

>>16789678

I'd recommend the DS remake.

>>16789786

It's more progress based, for better or worse. If you collect stuff and send it back to the starting village storage house after identifying it, then you will have all the stuff in there identified for your next game.

Did CDDA update again recently? I know in the experimental there are things like Mi-Go slavers.

I ended up building a mobile base in my last playthrough which went pretty well. I know they were going to work on base stuff for the next update. My one complaint about this game is how they want "realism" which is just a word for ruining fun.

>>16789786

There's 4 sequels to the SNES / DS remake Shiren according to Wikipedia, are they all shit?

>>16789969

The green one.

I hate hunting around for bionics I want in CDDA. I remember clearing out a shitmoad of labs and finally got the internal furnace cbm off a bio operator.

>>16791292

I played Izuna 2 and enjoyed it, that's my only Shirenlike I tried

>>16791877

>right arm on the right

But the drawing is facing forwards, it's mislabelled and should be swapped with the other side.

>>16791877

>If you’re risky start the game in Ironman mode where all your decisions are irreversible and your character can die once and for all.

lol@optional permadeath, commercial roguelikes confirmed for cucked yet again. also, read that as "stones hard"

>>16791923

It's still doing a hell of a lot more on point than /v/'s flavorite roguelite of the quarter.

>>16792283

You found bandit base.

Now you must kill them all.

>>16791943

> /v/'s flavorite roguelite of the quarter.

So you meant CDDA or Elona?

>>16792314

Last time I played a sling filled with pebbles did more damage than a hunting rifle, and the game was essentially impossible without the botanist and trapping starting skills. The entire combat system is just generally shit too. It entertains for maybe up to an hour at a time, but I think it's all-around remarkably gamey and bad for a roguelike

I really like Unreal World debatable if it's a roguelike but i hate that you can't do everything completely alone starting with nothing at all. To get an axe that can cut boards, you need to buy one from an NPC. You cant make it.

Apparently, C:DDA and DF will get updated in the this month.

>>16773671

What would you change about winter, or cold temps in general?

>>16779659

Cataclysm DDA is pretty easy to get into. Sure there's a ton of hotkeys but you only need a few to play the game.

>>16791821

Butcher special zombies like shockers, they have tons of CBMs.

>>16773671

I haven't put much of any time in Unreal World yet, does it lean into mythological things at all or is it just you and other dudes wearing animals?

Just watched Sseth's video on CDDA. Looks fun.

I'm okay at Elona, how much of a learning curve does it have in comparison?

>>16798320

Cataclysm is like a rock wall. Watch atleast a few LPs/tutorials to get the hang of a few things.

>>16798332

I got through a bunch of the tutorial okay, so I should be okay to handle things on my own. Except I can't seem to exit it. It just gives me a warning that loading the game would have some weird results

>>16798338

>Start as survivor, generic start etc

>Punch two raccoons to death

>Bring them into shelter

>Zombie bionic operator comes by and outspeeds me and beats me to death

I threw a stick at him

>>16798356

The mini map is your friend. Also I don't know if they cover it in the tutorial but you can run now in cdda now. You may have manually bind it.

>>16798356

Welcome to CDDA, enjoy your stay. Wait until you hit some other really nasty zombies.

I've wanted to play again but I hear a big update is going to hit this month so I've held off until then.

How can I get plant fibre? I decided that I should start in the wilderness with nothing and build up from there. I've found lots of rocks and heavy sticks, and I'm surprised I can't seem to harvest plants or what not. There's a lot of trees and bushes, but they're out of season.

>>16798414

Oh! Oh! I just realized my survival skill went up from foraging and I can do that now. Excellent

>Craft a stone knife and a digging stick

>Figure out how to till soil

>And fill it back in

>Dig a pit

>By the time I finish it's night time

>Enter pit

>Sleep

>Die of frostbite

>>16798414

Cattails from swamps are a source of plant fiber.

It's far easier to find a random farm house/rural house and dismantle sheets/pillows/curtains.

Alternatively you can cut seatbelts out of cars (no mechanic skill needed, just a cutting tool.) for a bit of rope then dismantle the rope into string and string into thread.

Last resort is dismantling rags (you can find bloody rags while foraging and clean them with water.) it takes an hour and yields a little thread.

>>16798373

Do you play the stable or experimental version? If it's the latter the only big change that comes to mind for experimental is the house revamping, making houses filled with misc crap that a normal person would own.

>Try being a golfer

>Assume you can mount balls to the tee and strike them somehow

>Try to start as a simple evacuee

>Gather some supplies

>Cold

>I'll grab some willow bark and light a fire

>Inside the shelter

Welp

>>16799621

You are lucky you learned that lesson now rather then in your house with months of scavenging.

>>16799626

Is it better to keep junk I find like cameras, or just strip them for parts? Are there a few tools I absolutely always need? I have a hard time keeping warm and finding a renewable source of food

>>16799638

>junk you find

I always end up with a pile of electronics I never use but I would say you can never really go wrong with a bit of everything. The parts in them will probably be what you will need but hold onto the entire thing so you will remember where and what you got it from.

>tools

Shit that bottlenecks me. Hacksaws, screwdrivers with find turning, welding torch. Once you get good enough you can make most of what you need but honestly grab every tool you can get your hands on.

>>16799684

Controls are fucked, you need to take them out and replace them with new ones. Also the gas tank is kind of broke and it might be leaking, which means no fuel in short-time. The color on the name part shows how damaged the part is, green being in mint condition and gray broken.

>>16799638

Tablets, game watches and MP3 players are all good for quickly boosting morale, and you really want at least one item with an alarm clock function (tablets work). Everything else goes in the trash unless you actually plan to craft some electronics (and even then, in my experience you're usually better off finding a console to take apart).

If you're on foot, the only really essential tools are a knife, a crowbar, a mess kit, a flashlight, binoculars or equivalent, several lighters or matchbooks, and a decent gun with lots of ammo. A multitool and a rock will suffice for most early-game crafting, and at some point you'll want to find a tailoring kit since your clothes will probably be torn to shit by then.

If you have a vehicle you'll also need, in order of importance: a welder and goggles, a hacksaw or toolbox, a rubber hose, several solar panels (or a second vehicle and some jumper cables), a jack and maybe a wood axe. Eventually you'll also want to install, at the very least, a battery charger (found in RVs or unfinished houses) and a rain funnel. Kitchen units, fridges/freezers and welding rigs are nice to have but not essential.

If you keep freezing, just break into a bunch of houses and you'll find some good clothes sooner or later. Soldier zombies are usually a reliable source of very warm clothes, if you can kill one.

Butchering large animals gives you an insane amount of food, limited mostly by your ability to preserve it. Otherwise just go into town and loot every canned good in sight, by the time you run out of cans you'll probably have access to at least one reliable source of fresh food.

>Still trying to do wilderness naked+alone start

>Nightfall

>Still no clothes, chilly

>Sleep at night 1

>Wake up day 4

>You try to sleep but can't

Wut

>>16791923

but speaking of commercial roguelike cuckoldry, how's jupiter hell shaping up? better than nu-doom?

>>16800074

Next attempt went better. I found 7 mangled bodies and one or two low level ayys and killed them easily. Had a ton of gear, turned into scrap parts, even a sleeping bag! But I STILL couldn't sleep, even with it on at night time.

Is there a way to put items into a container? For example, you can find a box of degergent or a bag of balls, and empty them, but I can't seem to reload them

This thread is basically turning into a CDDA playthrough. Which is fine. No game apart from maybe Project Zomboid comes close and that game got halted for a few years because of the animations update. I've heard that CDDA slowly started turning into a furryfest. Is that true?

>>16800252

I think the only open source roguelike where the team isn't predominantly communist trannies is nethack

>>16800252

The furfag phase is long in the past. We are in the "lead dev powertripping" phase right now. Before that there was "changes nobody asked for" phase.

>>16800252

Why do you think these threads are abandoned? It was either some fag shitting them up with roguelites, or being CDDA OCD shitwits. At least Elona can stand on its own.

>>16800209

>Is there a way to put items into a container?

Not yet.

>>16800252

>CDDA slowly started turning into a furryfest. Is that true?

Not really, except occasional owo posts at their forum.

Realismtards are annoying as always though.

This is retarded. Even with tools and items, I can't fall asleep unless it takes 3 days, at which point I either freeze to death or fail to sleep and become dehydrated, starving, and dead tired

>>16800419

I always pick Samurai, but I have never come close to winning. What's the preferred fork these days? I was on Dynahack last.

Also, how's Angband doing? It's my favorite *band over all the 700+ hour ones w/overworlds.

>>16800252

Most of the furshit stems from one tranny who added 5000 furry mutations, but he Quit Forever™ actually he got kicked out, but he'll never admit that a few years ago and nobody's dared to fuck with the mutations system ever since. There's also another tranny who added sex toys and gimp suits in between his efforts to ruin everything, but that's another matter.

>>16800268

Kevin's been powertripping since the day he became lead dev, it only seems to be getting worse now because he was inactive for a while.

>>16800487

>There's also another tranny who added sex toys and gimp suits in between his efforts to ruin everything

I played this in the lunchroom on my laptop and got made fun of for that

>>16800487

>lead power tripping

Whats he been doing? The only thing I can think of is the gay fucking lore shit they are doing. One the one hand zombies will mutate over time leading them to become tougher as the blob changes their bodies to better suit its function. On the other hand these fuckers removed autotanks, chicken walkers and some other shit. Its bullshit. There is a mod thats supposed to contain the "futuristic" stuff so I guess thats ok but I'm wondering when Bionics are going to get the boot.

>>16800552

>Whats he been doing?

Nothing major. Mainly other contributors make finishing touches for 0.E.

>There is a mod thats supposed to contain the "futuristic" stuff so I guess that's ok

That one is called Aftershock.

>but I'm wondering when Bionics are going to get the boot.

Some of these were already ejected. Mainly these related to bionic power production.

>>16800567

You fucked up.

Go find some water pool or concrete.

>>16800581

>Fucked up

I don't even have containers. I was just trying to make a brazier. But I removed a potential threat to my base, so it's fine

>>16800567

>spores

Abandon region. Also for life in a woods unreal world is a better choice.

>>16800582

Is your base actually fireproof?

>>16800589

>My "base"

You vastly underestimate what I have. I have 4 tools and a improvised shelter.

>>16800637

Sci-fi one with giant mechs. Think mix of elona and zoid games.

>>16800594

Good luck, then.

>>16800637

Anything sci-fi honestly. I am sick of every media being fantasy nowadays.

>>16800552

I stopped following the drama around the time I moved to 8ch, but I remember this being the point where everybody realized just how awful he was:

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/4904

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/5279

>On the other hand these fuckers removed autotanks, chicken walkers and some other shit

As far as I know, the removal of chicken walkers is because the realismfags insisted on making them able to oneshot anything in sight, gave them a huge vision radius with perfect night vision, and shot down every proposal to give the player some means of escaping them. Tankbots probably ran into the same problem.

>>16800637

Infra Arcana already did my idea better than I would have

>Survive for about 5 days

>Able to butcher some food, and produce potable water

>Have to have 2 or 3 containers and light a wildfire but it works

>Okay I need nails and there's a nearby town

>Some wooden palisade

>Almost step on a landmine

>WEW that was fucking close

>Hey I can disarm that

>I can't

>Dead

I rolled a clown, lets do this.

>no longer get pipes from smashing lockers

These fucking niggers.

>>16791292

>Besides, 2 and 3 are untranslated.

Pretty sure the Wii one (which Atlus brought over) is actually Shiren The Wanderer 3, and the number got lopped off out here for whatever reason. You might be thinking of 4 as the other one we've never gotten.

>>16800938

>that name

>those traits

jej

I mean it depends on what you want. Blade weapons are always popular and have a fairly sizable crafting pool. I used bashing weapons here and there. There are some custom guns you can craft not to mention the bows you can make which are pretty good. As for loot? It depends on the zombie you are looking at. Scientists have a random pool of CBMs you can get on their butcher table, I think it includes all but its random. Shocker zombies and shocker brutes just run also have CBMS, then there are Bio operators which also have CBMs, nice ones too.

Kevlar Hulks can be butchered for Kevlar, Skeletal Juggernauts are huge pains in the ass but drop shitloads of tainted bone which has its own uses.

Then you got the rest like Triffids who can be butchered for plant marrow and the like. Fungus have oil sacs that can be crafted into cooking oil, which can then be used for other things.

>>16800965

So basically if you want the high end crafts or CBMS, you have to bully stronger things. Can non-conductive clothing help versus shocker zombies? I do try to run from the basic ones, but they still pack a punch

>>16801004

This one's actually going really well. I found a fireaxe really early on and the first town only had a handful of zombies, so I was able to secure food and water and a few furniture very easily. I bumped into a Zombie Soldier and tried to beat him up 2 or 3 times, but I couldn't quite do it so I kept leaving to heal. Unfortunately, the last time I didn't realize my speed had dropped to 40, and he chased me all the way across the bridge and he killed me with 4 hp remaining, should've just swung once more.

>>16800419

Why would I talk with you?

A dialogue won't fix you. It is an impasse that only time and Death will fix.

No reason to go over it, yet again.

>>16800847

They nerfed makeshit crowbar too, so you're better off by stealing the best one from fire truck or fire station.

>>16800973

You can also find cbms in labs but odds are you will run into a fight there as well. They could be considered dungeons. You used to be able to self install cbms but thats changed unless you enable it again with a mod.

Is there a way to properly disassemble furniture like ovens and fridges, or do you just smash them?

>>16801727

Not yet and yes.

>>16801727

You can use the build menu to disassemble and build furniture, yer gonna need a screwdriver and a hammer. Its rarely actually done but you can theoretically build your own house from scratch. The question is for what purpose when you could use that time to add more murder to your murderwagon.

The upside of properly disassembling furniture is that you get a larger total amount of materials dropped vs smashing which has percentage based drop tables.

>>16801788

Well I ended up dying just short of day 7.

>Speeding around with electric car, life is good

>Can't find any jerry cans or the like for gas

>Can't find any gallon jugs for water storage

>Have to make shitty stone pots and fill them with clean frozen water and lug them downstairs one at a time, but it works and it's not a fucking fire hazard

>Explore city again, get cocky

>Vehicle with a first aid kit inside, but my pack is full, head west into a house

>See a grabber zombie, they're never a problem

>Grappled

>Acid zombie approaches, can't escape, can't kill grappler

>Manage to escape around the corner and then down the Acid with only 1 bar of health left in my torso

>Run way the fuck out of town and drive off home, my leg is disabled but that's fine I'll just sleep it off

>Pop some aspirin and codeine

>Wake up in pain

>Don't notice that I'm infected

>By the time I realize what's happening, my torso is pus filled

>Run (don't drive) back to town so I don't blackout behind the wheel

>Acid fucker kills me because I didn't butcher him

What do you guys like about roguelikes?

What would you like to see in a roguelike that you haven't seen before?

>>16802030

>What do you like?

I swear this is word for word copy-pasted from somewhere. I like the replayability and the fact that consequences happen because of my choices not actions - it doesn't matter if I mistime a jump or miss a headshot. I either made a good decision or I didn't and if RNG isn't in my favour that's fine.

>What would you like to see more of?

What Mark R Johnson was doing with Ultima Ratio Regum: complex, procgen dialog.

>>16801788

>Can't siphon because no jerry can

You should be able to siphon into any resealable container. Don't worry if you spill some, even a huge truck can travel dozens of maptiles on 0.5L.

>>16802030

>What do you guys like about roguelikes?

Rogues

>>16802098

Ah but that's just it, I had no resealable containers at the time. Or at least I had my thermos and didn't realize it.

I can't decide if I want to port my old character into an expirimental or start fresh. I've got the clown going and hes doing alright but I kinda want to mess around more with a guy who is all set. Maybe do some base stuff.

>>16802112

>expirimental

Help I have brain damage. *Experimental

>>16801004

If you change your starting location to "safe place" you can choose to start in a lakeside house or even an island lighthouse. The lighthouse feels kind of cheap to me but on the other hand you have to hump all of your loot across the lake and if you don't luck into a motorboat somewhere you're stuck doing that by canoe. Boats are also kind of wonky; on one file I had to debug-teleport all the goddamn time because I kept getting launched from my boat into the middle of the lake for no reason, complete with error report.

>>16802030

>What would you like to see in a roguelike that you haven't seen before?

I'd like to see a decent 3D roguelite. As much as I like roguelikes that take place in largeer areas, top-down is really not a good option for anything involving vertical environments and/or long distances and having three dimensions to play with could be really fun. I really don't even know why this hasn't happened already; XCOM is already 80% of the way there.

>Learn you can smash young trees for long sticks, and that those can be broken or cut into heavy sticks

>Pebbles can be easily crafted to train fabrication up

>Can pretty easily survive the first day with naked and alone

>As long as I start near a swamp

>>16802433

not a roguelike

>>16802503

Fuck off with semantics.

>>16802520

It's not semantics, it's the truth.

>>16802520

It's not even fucking turnbased, "rogue-lite" != roguelike.

>>16802550

>>16802582

Ok faggots.

Now post wins or talk about games.

Not about some rough guidelines that only retards or baiting retards care about.

whoever thought the fungal infections in caves of qud were a good idea can go fuck himself

>>16803244

I keep trying to get into that but the UI is really horrible. Is there a tileset or something?

>>16803255

Nope.

>>16802503

I'm amazed people still come here and claim games with graphics and tilesets are roguelikes.

>>16803289

I don't think there's anything wrong with graphics and tilesets; however, the raw game should support ASCII

>>16803292

>I don't think there's anything wrong with graphics and tilesets

This kind of thinking is what's destroying the genre.

>>16803287

I with it didn't have the vomit green glow over it. Thats all I really would like to get rid of. If it did just simple ASCII then that would work but it still have the filter on it.

What do improvised shelters even do? They don't seem to keep me warm. I assume they just keep you out of LOS

>>16779659

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup's GUI version has intuitive controls and does not force you to rely on memorizing ASCII characters before you can properly play it.

>>16803572

I have one inside a city. Should get interesting when I set it on fire.

>Decide to do the light step + less scent + night vision thing

>Get a busted start because there are two driveable vehicles and then a fucking water purifier in the basement

>Make me a crowbar from a locker pipe and get ready to stealth up a house at night, something a previous character did really well until they died day 2

>Beat up a zombie at night

>Military duffelbag, 20L capacity

>Nice

>About to break into my first house

>Giant Bee out of fucking nowhere and die

>play Infra Arcana

>die shamefully

>start new run with knowledge gained

>die more shamefully

>>16775964

true in a way, but landmines are bullshit. they are the only thing i ever die to past the underwater passage, i have never passed floor 3 of the main dungeon despite many attempts because a landmine always fucking kills me without fail

>>16775964

Every roguelike is easy for people who know how to play it

>>16803244

just dont walk next to the coloured mushrooms you dingus. wearing a sap mask also helps.

Why do people fear mushrooms in CDDA

>>16804599

Every game is easy for someone who knows how to play it. Seriously, name one game that isn't easy for at least one person. Even some difficult shmup will have someone who can do it with their eyes closed.

>>16803648

>Better AI

I've heard Sil has pretty good AI with thing like flanking. Have you ever played?

>>16804627

Because they're niggers who can destroy your base and your vehicles and everything you own literally overnight and if you try to fight them without a hazmat suit you'll probably get incurable fungal HIV which eventually turns into slightly curable fungal AIDS but unless you have the cure already you're probably fucked because it has a small chance every turn to either completely cripple you or leave you incapacitated for ~5 turns.

>>16804664

So why can't you just use a ranged weapon or set the niggers on fire?

>>16803289

>make a proper roguelike

>add tile graphics

>no longer a roguelike (???)

>>16804795

From what i remember his terminally autistic excuse was literally that it was too much effort so it doesn't count.

>>16802054

>What Mark R Johnson was doing with Ultima Ratio Regum: complex, procgen dialog.

>was

Is he not still doing that? Did he give up and shoot himself or something?

>Fresh character

>Can take a nailboard and down a bunch of zombie kids, a regular zombie, maybe a shrieker or runner, if he fights one or two at a time

>Current character

>Alive for a week, has a stone axe, fully healed across the board, life is good

>Both legs are disabled, almost bled out, from just one zombie kid

The fuck

>>16804932

"You're already dead " kind of bug which happened few days ago. It was fixed already though.

>>16804833

>Do these things keep spawning or is there just a billion of them in here?

Yes x2

To thin their number permanently, you need to smite ant queen.

I can kill legions of zombies in CDDA but I fought one bandit and that was the toughest fight so far. Are NPCs supposed to be this hard to kill?

>>16805306

>Are NPCs supposed to be this hard to kill?

Yes.

They use the same HP system as PC, so it's hard to kill them without using traps/explosives/launchers.

>>16804681

>So why can't you just use a ranged weapon or set the niggers on fire?

Because you have to torch the fungal mat and use high explosives or a lot of rifle ammo to destroy the heart of the infection if you really want to get rid of the whole thing. It's not as dangerous as a lab or a military base as far as direct damage goes but you'll probably get fungal HIV if you don't have excellent environmental protection for your whole body and if you don't have a reliable source of fire on tap (like a shitload of molotovs or a flamethrower) it's incredibly tedious to deal with and even if you do it's still a pain in the ass. The best option is to just pack up your shit and leave if it's encroaching on your base.

what sort of starting builds do you guys like? I find that I often just do a vanilla no points character. Basically I aim to have 8 points left over, and will take a drawback trait to get positive ones or a skill

>>16805694

I go with one of the higher skill classes and then just take drawbacks to fill in the gaps

Other than reading, how can I train Mechanics from 0?

>>16805694

Really Bad Day with the infection resistant trait, across-the-board uberman stats, and no starting skills.

>>16805783

You can craft improvised lockpicks and pick doors to get mechanics up, but it takes forever. You're probably better off trying to find a book if you can read.

>>16805694

I usually prioritize stats and traits because skills and gear are easy to pick up and then once I have a legit character I switch to freeform and give myself a few relatively minor quality of life improvements like Self-Aware, Light Eater, Gourmand, Scout and/or Night Vision.

don't waste your time playing Unreal World until they balance the combat.

something about villagers… they oftentimes have the same weapons and gear if you're just starting out, but you're still able to massacre them.

if you are a logical human being who wants to minmax and use every option the game provides to its maximum potential, then the optimal way to play is the meat grinder build, which involves you standing in a doorway so that they can only approach you one at a time and let them walk into you and die. then you loot them all.

rinse and repeat over and over and over until winter, then find a village selling animals and massacre all the villagers again, only this time you stay there instead of continuing your genocide crusade. now there's absolutely nothing stopping you from slaughtering their animals and using their beds and sauna.

only a true fucking retard would waste their time making their own log cabin when killing an entire village takes only about 90 turns and has a less than 1% failure rate. i usually leave a 10 person massacre with maybe "minor cut in left arm." even though im not wearing any armor.

if you are not doing a meat grinder run, then you're just a retard self-imposing challenge and ignoring optimal mechanics.

in other words, you shouldn't bother to play because the game is broken as fuck.

there's absolutely no reason to not slaughter everyone and no obstacles preventing you from doing so and using all their stuff.

>>16805878

a single small dog is unironically a bigger threat to you than 5 village hunters with kaumolais spears wearing furs.

seriously, dont bother playing this game.

>>16805893

>Office complex

>Gradually secure the perimeter and ground floor

>Expected stairwell up, but it only goes down into the parking garage

>There's actually two ways down

>Explore one, head back up explore other

>Seems safe enough

>Torso is half fucked

>Okay first zombie I see, I'm leaving

>Turn corner

>Fugg

>Try to run out, but I see 5 or 6 had followed out of the darkness

>Bolt it to the fucking other exit, shut the door and run the fuck outta there

And that's how a little scouting saves lives.

>>16805911

Capital "X" to peek around corners without revealing yourself. Has saved my ass many times.

>>16805936

>>16805935

How would you even engage that sort of group? Melee seems out of the question when I'm partially still murderhobo, ammo is too precious. The only thing I can think of is some kind of carbomb with a molotov

>>16792283

>try to sneak into a bandit base in the night

>killed by a mine

>next character

>a horde of bandits home in on my character

>none of them can penetrate my armor

>beat them all to death with a hammer, eat their bodies, make bandages out of their clothing

>>16805935

The answer is always dynamite.

And after that you make more dynamite with the dead zombies.

>>16806121

Migos, triffids, mycus, shit you find in labs, strange dogs, TEKELI-LI, any kind of drone. Not including all the other nasty shit you find. I never thought of zombies being garbage mods but its true.

>>16805874

>If I sting you, will you die?

>It would be severely painful

>>16806139

>Always die to Mi-gos

>I can kill the other ayy shit easily what's this guy's deal

>Get a friend into the game and tell him about it

>Oh yeah it's a Cthulhu monster

>Oh.

trest

>>16805944

Leave and come back at night. Shocker brutes glow in the dark just don't try to run them over without a proper deathmobile, and it's pretty easy to slip away from the normal zombies. Protip: If there's a horde blocking access to a building you want to enter, smash a nearby car and run away. Zombies will smash the sides of the car trying to get into it, which will set off a chain reaction that distracts every zombie in the area for quite a while.

>>16806139

That depends considerably on your build and how lucky you get, though; if you're a riflefag and stumble across a scoped .50 you'll be able to paste late-game enemies from a safe distance with even moderate skills but if you don't find anything more impressive than an SMG you won't have a good time.

>>16806351

>zombie slave

Oh fuck I forgot that was a thing. If you use shocker zombies you can read by their ambient CIA nigger light.

I did a tweaker and really bad day. 14 in all stats across the board. I found a cabin to hold up in plus I had a follower but the infection resistant trait didn't clear the leg wound and I died in my sleep. That was pretty fun though. I might do shower victim next time though, having withdrawal on top of everything else is a nightmare.

>>16806825

So why not just do that with a Zombie Child (M)?

>>16807671

Check the trunks for Jankstands. Even if you can't get them out they got wheels.

>>16807671

You have to either destroy the barrier or work around it and use the garage as an extremely inconvenient pantry for car parts. The easiest ways for the former are a breaching vehicle (assuming you have one, or you could just sacrifice one of the cars in the garage), a cutting torch (a massive waste, especially if you have to get through another door at the entrance to the complex), a jackhammer, C4/Dynamite (the biggest waste, unless you have a stockpile or can make it yourself) or just wailing on the door with a sledgehammer until it gives.

>>16807708

What if I told you those signs read DANGER MINES

>>16807893

Been playing a lot of cdda so I want to branch out. Hows it play?

>>16807922

Probably the main difference from most roguelikes is that its substitute for a hunger clock (the sanity meter) refills between levels, and is drained by combat in addition to time. This gives the game a much more intense speedrun feeling.

>>16807929

>>16807922

It's really difficult, the sanity is drained by merely seeing monsters, not only combat. Fighting with multiple enemies is almost guaranteed sanity drop.

Even dime-a-dozen undead hit really hard and it's easy to die if you play anything other than war veteran class.

>>16807922

I read those signs elsewhere, many times. I didn't actually see them here, and I didn't expect a FUCKING MINEFIELD to be breaking up some asphalt roads

>>16800567

Use the "disable fungal monsters" mod. They're easy to kill but impossible to contain shits that only serve to ruin a base playstyle.

>>16808028

It's okay.

>>16808323

elaborate

>>16808324

Didn't you heard about makeshift crowbar nerf?

You can only open crates with that one now.

To get better one you need to raid fire station or find one at abandoned fire truck.

>>16807893

Yes

>>16808347

Just standard weeb game.

Nothing too interesting to see after you finished about dozen of these.

>>16807728

>soldier ants outside

Food source secured.

Eat the bugs goy.

>>16802433

It might not be a roguelike, but thanks for bringing my attention to this game. I'm really enjoying it. Brings me back to playing those powder flash games.

>start base in shelter

>put follower food pile on my own food pile thinking its the same

This nigger just gobbled up like 3k calories. Lesson learned.

Your follower pile is what they use for jobs so when you say distribute it they will eat the entire thing right there. The base system is kinda nice.

CDDA is the only game where you can actually be a murderhobo and never progreess beyond killing everything.

>>16808941

Why fix bugs when your players can work around them :^)

>>16808363

Not anymore after the mutant meat update, it has toxins in it, not a problem at first, but if you eat for too long of it you'll have 5 to 10 minute seizures. I bet those protein ration at the evac shelters have a similar mechanic considering there's a disgusting diet hidden stat now.

>>16810155

Wait are you fucking kidding me? They made new meat because it made them pissy that finding an anthill meant you could get meat pretty much all the time?

Can you still make pemmican with it?

>>16810160

>They made new meat because it made them pissy that finding an anthill meant you could get meat pretty much all the time?

Pretty much.

>Can you still make pemmican with it?

I think that's one of the few recipies where it's going to taste normal, since it requires the meat to be jerky or dehydrated without making the meals taste terrible.

The github link here explains the mechanic in detail.

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/34878

The shit you wanna know from it:

Mutant meat has:

* Half as many calories/vitamins as normal meat per unit volume

* A gross texture (-5 enjoyability) that persists even through most crafting, with exceptions being jerky and dehydrated.

* A new vitamin, "Toxins" (more on these later). Your body can safely process the toxins from up to 800 calories of mutant meat per day without any adverse effects.

Mutant fat has:

* The same calories/vitamins as normal fat per unit volume (spongiform fat didn't make sense to me)

* No gross texture (same logic as above)

* To compensate, has more toxins (the type of toxins I based these on tends to collect in fatty tissue).

* Your body can safely process the toxins from up to 550 calories of mutant fat per day without any adverse effects.

(Note that the toxins from fat and meat are the same, so eating 800 calories of meat and 550 of fat per day, you will experience toxin build-up.)

Explanation of toxins:

* Toxins are loosely based on man-made compounds, primarily insecticides, that don't decompose well, leading to build-up in animal tissue, especially fatty tissue. Symptoms vary, but lowered immune response and neurotoxicity (i.e. seizures, migraines) are common.

* After eating nothing but mutant meat for 2-3 days straight, you will develop mild effects, which do not appear in the @ screen:

* Infrequent but painful headaches (~1 every 2 days).

* Lowered immune response, represented by a decaying health value*. You can still keep your health mod at +10 with a modest regimen of healthy food/drink (10 health units per day, or 3-4 servings of pine needle tea). In any case, won't drop health mod below -10 on its own.

* After eating nothing but mutant meat for 4-5 days straight, you will develop moderate effects, which appear as Concerning symptoms: Your muscles keep twitching strangely. in the @ screen:

* Somewhat frequent muscle spasms (~1 every 2 hours) which can make you fall down, drop your wielded item, lower your strength/dexterity for a turn, or cause a lot of recoil if you're aiming a ranged weapon. Falls and weapon drops are prevented on a successful DEX roll. Can be prevented by being on diazepam.

* Infrequent "drop seizures" which drop you to the ground and prevent you from getting back up for a turn or two. Can be prevented by being on diazepam.

* The health degradation becomes worse*, you will no longer be able to realistically keep your health mod above -10, but you can still keep it from going lower by eating/drinking healthily as before. In any case, won't drop health mod below -30 on its own.

* Headaches become twice as common.

* After eating nothing but mutant meat for a week straight, you will develop severe effects, which appear as Unnerving symptoms: "Your nervous system is malfunctioning, almost like it's being torn apart from the inside. in the @ screen:

* Infrequent full body convulsive seizures (~1 every 3 days) which last 1.5 to 4 minutes and will drop you to the ground and nerf your strength and dexterity to the point that you only have a 1/30 chance to stand up each turn. Even if you do stand up, you will be stunned, unable to do much but stumble/flail about randomly. This can of course be game-ending in a combat situation, but can be prevented by being on diazepam.

* Headaches, drop seizures, and muscle spasms become twice as common.

* The health degradation becomes worse*, you will no longer be able to realistically keep your health mod above -30, but you can still keep it from going lower by eating/drinking healthily as before. In any case, won't drop health mod below -50 on its own.

* – Keep in mind Leukocyte Breeder CBM unconditionally locks health mod to 100, so these effects are moot for characters that have it installed.

I've heard they're planning to do this with the plant monsters as well. But it's not been implemented yet.

>>16810178

Thats kinda gay, I mean I get why but I feel like the reward of being able to go pick a fight with a field of ants is their yummy insides.

>>16810178

I've played a git build I built just a few hours ago. A few things I noticed:

>houses are filled with absurd amounts of food now. Not every house has food, but the ones that do are fully stocked

>there are more houses with boarded and taped windows

>basically every house has some tools (hammer, butcher knife, x-acto knife, that kind of early/mid game tool) and duct tape around

>there are so many books, and actually useful books, in people's houses it's like this game isn't even set in America anymore

>every house is covered with pristine clothes

>most house layouts have been deleted and replaced by very few and very repetitive layouts

>houses appear to be way more resilient, I tried to bash a log wall one with a fire axe, 18STR, and 4 bashing skill and dealt no damage. I don't actually remember if this is supposed to be enough though.

>there's a store called "head store" that's full of drugs, they have 3L jars full of weed, smoking pipes, and cocaine, just laying around

>turrets with enough ammunition to conquer a shithole still not fixed

>nobody has a medicine locker in their bathroom, you'll only find personal hygiene tools and supplies

>zombies can't break windows or bash doors (I'm pretty sure this is a bug but you never know nowadays)

>>16810365

>this is absolutely infuriatingly retarded, additionally to the fact that FAKs dont act as or hold antibiotics anymore

I think it's 'balanced' around the fact it's pretty fucking easy to get any type of antiseptic now. The soaked rag and cotton ball recipes really extend the supply of normal antiseptic as well. Although that doesn't help when you're doing a infected start.

>>16810484

Hooray the five actual roguelikes on Steam have a distinct tag

>Learned how useful slings are and how easy they are to craft

>Ditto for disassembling furniture and how convenient it is to squat in a house and set up storage zones

>Just casually rip apart everything in sight and reinforce and that's my base

>Even made a few nail traps

>Zombieball wanders around, including a brute and feral hunter

>But it's the Zombie Soldier that gets me, again

>>16810950

That's why people have moblie bases/deathmoblies anon. so you can run over the shit you can't kill normally.

>>16810191

>>16810222

It wouldn't be so annoying if it wasn't so one-sided, too. Okay, so eating giant bugs probably isn't a good idea - especially when their primary source of food is zombies. However, there should also be a high-end option for dealing with these obnoxious cunts that doesn't involve power armor and playing rambo, Something like a massive bug bomb (craftable at 7 Cooking 7 fab and the recipe is lab loot and resource-intensive) that you could set up at the first level of their base to kill like 90% of the ants and stop their infinite respawn for a few days so you could feasibly explore their base and loot the corpse pile if you have the environmental protection to do so. Or maybe add pheromones for ants like the ones already exist for zombies if you want to take more risks.

>>16811010

I either get a good rounded character, or a vehicle. It's tricky.

>>16811953

Not sure what you mean. A deathmobile is just a horde skipper and can be used to gank the occasional chicken walker, but it does not actually remove the need to fight on foot. I remember having built a mobile turret from a motorbike and even with this kind of size-to-firepower ratio and ability to move indoors with it, I still had to take out 60% of the zombies by hand.

Any easy way to get pelts? Seems like I'm going to need a million of these things for the winter survivor gear, and it's gonna be getting colder soon.

>>16812010

>Seems like I'm going to need a million of these things for the winter survivor gear

Pretty sure you don't need that for winter, your normal survival suit/gear and some winter 'close to the skin' layer clothing like compression shorts/tops will do the job just fine. Unless that chilly as fuck lab still exists, that's the only time you'll really need it.

>>16812010

You won't need that for winter, it's actually not difficult to deal with the cold.

Even then there's plenty of cotton and leather gear to deal with that. Gambeson, thermal electric outfit, balaclava, knit scarf, cloak, survivor armor which you are probably wearing anyway, and all that jazz.

Now that i'm thinking about it, the only time i've killed deer was either running it over or when a deer gets trapped inside a building which then I would stab or punch to death. It's pretty much impossible to even get in shooting distance those speedy bastards.

>>16812007

I die fairly often, don't use starting points, and don't like reusing worlds. It's fairly rare to find a working vehicle.

>>16812020

>>16812096

Good to know. I am also trying to do cold labs though, and those are freezing even with survivor gear + thermal electric clothes.

>>16812029

Just skinned one, only got a bunch of hides. Is it luck whether you get a pelt?

Also one issue I have is that after I start getting frostbite warnings, the game tends to chug very heavily. Even after warming up, it will literally take about 2 seconds per crafting attempt by a fire; otherwise on a regular play as a survivor, there is no crafting or turn lag, even when surrounded by 50 zombies. What gives?

>>16812114

You are cold and move slower.

>>16812115

Okay fine, but this when I tell it to craft 20 plant fiber and have it take 6 hours. I understand that my character is slower, but why does that affect the simulation time? It should complete nearly instant. Otherwise, my CPU ramps up to a full core being used and starts heating up.

>>16812123

Oh, and even at 95 speed, it lags appreciably.

>>16812108

That's why you make a welder, welding goggles/mask and find a hacksaw.

>>16812123

Your simulation is cold and moves slower.

>>16810484

It's almost like people experiment with genres and eventually sub-genres are made.

>>16812123

The game chugs because of 2 things: message spam and large amounts of enemies. In your case its message spam.

>>16812171

FUCK

>Cougar was field dressed and quartered, because both arms broken, I'll come back to do it tomorrow

>Can't full butcher the segments, and dragging it back is impossible

>Okay I'll just quick butcher it on the spot

>Didn't get a single fucking piece of meat, and both my of arms are still broken

>Go hunting for food, see two wolves

>Immediately run

>One follows me

>Sling him twice, down to 1 bar of health

>Swap to melee weapon

>Gets 4 attacks, I'm bleeding everywhere

>Attack again

>Instant die

Fugg

>>16812171

Ever made leather gear from scratch? What animals to look out for, hour to kill them, and what butchery preparations to make beforehand?

Assuming all innawoods

>>16800637

Something similar to HellMOO perhaps. Not near enough lewd and body options in RLs.

>>16812253

Honestly amazed some autistic furfag hasn't made something like that, given the sheer number on /hgg/.

>>16812363

They always were, but you had to jackhammer/bomb your way inside.

>>16812373

I did jackhammer inside one at one point but there was nothing there, so I assumed there never is.

>>16812322

The furry roguelike was voted roguelike of the year a couple years ago

>>16812431

Should be easily clearable.

>>16812474

>her

>Thunderfist

>not Thunderthighs

tsk. 0/10

>>16812243

I have not. Didn't seem to see any crafting recipes that used Raw Hide, so I didn't really pursue it further. I assume there may be a construction that does it. I also assume that I also need tanbark.

>>16813723

>>16813723

Thought I had stumbled into some sort of SCP or something, but as it turns out it was just a Mi-Go using a line I hadn't heard before. I was really fucking spooked for a while though.

>>16813799

>If you need nail for more vehicle parts, go to the outskirts of a town and set a building on fire, then come back 2-3 days later.

I'm trying to go strictly innawoods. I won't even pick up wrecked campsites and such. I have to either find or make everything myself, not scavenge it. But yes, nails have been very difficult to acquire. I'll have to set up a proper forge and such

Almost fucking died

>Trying to convert plants to long rope for butchering a giant frog I carefully scooped out of a very fucking lively swamp

>Go to a safe swamp to gather them

>Nightfall

>Still working away, have 80 withered plants

>Giant Rattlesnake appears

>Can't hit it or range it, and his venom slows me and greatly pains me

>Torso at 1 bar, fuck fuck fuck

>Somehow, with no stamina, I manage to lose it in the underbrush and GTFO and barely sleep it off

>>16814108

Can't you mine? Though I assume you'd need a pickaxe to even get started

>>16814117

>Can't you mine?

No, there is no ore item in the game. At most, you can find metal scraps in underbrush if you have litter turned on, from heaps of rubble in craters.

>>16814133

I have found two abandoned barns, and I am purposefully avoiding towns. I could probably strip them for nails but I guess that wouldn't hurt the spirit of my game

>>16808028

its fairly easygoing until you manage to get one of your characters killed for any reason. the Monster which killed said character evolves and becomes most of the time nearly unkillable and if you die you lose every Item you were carrying with you.

It also has its fair share of Fanservice.

>C:DDA development

Some contributor thought it was good idea to obsolete almost all mods for upcoming 0.E version.

>>16814883

Compatibility-breaking aside, does E add anything new?

>>16814885

Helicopters and trailers(for vehicles and not these auto-prom videos).

>>16814885

It's supposed to add and change a whoooole lot of shit.

>>16814885

You can download the experimental and see for yourself.

>>16814883

Semi-open development project gets shit on by one guy with a bad idea/who is is incompetent and doesn't care. Film at 11.

>>16815435

Every time I start to play this, I pretty quickly think "someday I'm going to have to find and maintain a vehicle" and that by itself is enough to get me to quit playing again. I've done this three times now.

I've been so spoiled by melee combat in dwarf fortress's adventure mode. I just can't get into cataclysm's when I can't knock someone unconscious and cut their phalanges off until they bleed out.

Rather than start innawoods, I was thinking about martial arts cyborg or something (still with a quaint start). Alternatively, playing a mutation-based character. Is there a recommended way to start out?

>>16816204

>cyborg

there is a ton to choose from so its up to you what you want but it is doable

>mutant

I think the only thing that starts with mutant is lab start and not all of them are useful.

>>16815960

>pretty sure time still doesn't pass in a different z-level

It does, and shocker zombies can now zap you while you're on a rooftop but you still can't shoot back

>>16816227

It gets better:

You can throw a grenade while on one floor, change the floor before it explodes, and still get your legs blown off.

>>16816236

Can't blow yourself up if the grenade timer freezes the moment it leaves your inventory.

>>16816320

Does it drop actual meat and not mutant aids meat?

>>16816375

Since it only dropped meat and fat from butchering, I assume nobody bothered to change up the drop table yet because the thing is so goddamn rare. It would technically have to drop tainted meat since its the same type of monster as mi-go.

>>16816769

You find shrooms when searching underbrush.

>>16816814

Not me, I've been playing the latest 0.Danny for months, with quite a few foraging characters, and never seen one.

>>16816858

Aight Ive just searched a bunch of underbrush and havent found any either, which is wierd as thats where youre supposed to get shrooms. Maybe they spawn seasonally, like bird eggs.

Also

>any fresh meat has some degree of toxicity now

I like how back then they introduced nutrition in order to make people wanna go innawoods and hunt, and now in order to balance nutrition you have to tank health.

>>16817027

Well fact is that cooked wild dog meat and offal tanks your health stat.

>>16812322

Not really a roguelike, but remember, anons, the CircleMUD code is open and you can always run the server and client on your own machine. Thinking about it, I'm kinda surprised nobody does anything with it. I guess the kind of people who would enjoy that would enjoy Inform games or whatever just as well.

>mi-go prison break

So is this a joke start or whats the deal?

>>16817328

full random

blind mechanic

schizo rabbi

illiterate schoolchild

>>16817371

>schizo rabbi

Kind of redundant, don't you think?

can anyone tell me how dodge works.

It's like 1.4/2.

2 is I believe the skill level, but what is 1.4?

It does down with more heavy armour.

what's a good median?

>>16817983

I think 1.4 is the actual chance of avoiding an attack. I'd had it go as high as 4.0 or so, with light encumbrance and gear and such.

>>16817976

>>16817371

See >>16800938

>>16817997

thanks man.