7d98b3 No.16765760[Last 50 Posts]
Have you got any games which broach on, or fully get engaged in, politics, philosophy, or other such topics which could be applied to real life? Deus Ex may be the most recognized one, but there are others out there, such as Metal Gear Solid 2 and that one adventure game whose name escapes me. On that note, has your own philosophy changed much because of those games? Hell, one's guiding philosophy could change even after playing a simple multiplayer game - everyone's interactions and experiences in such games (or at least multiplayer games back then where people wouldn't refuse to play solo and also actually communicated with their team instead of sticking to some gay ass discord spyware [oops, I shouldn't say that word here]) are different based on the user, and I will even admit that my own philosophies and thoughts changed following the many years I've spent playing TF2, Warcraft 3, and other games before that.
Whether it was those games alone that changed my ideals is up in the air, but that's besides the point. Also, don't post any "philosophical" games where the writer clearly had their heads stuck firmly up their own ass, such as in Nier Automata.
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71240f No.16765767
I'm personally hoping Cyberpunk addresses the continuously growing cyber dystopia that big corporations, democrats and the chinese seem to want to push on us. The fact that 8chan was shut down for so long proves that there's a heavy monopoly in big tech, and that monopoly wants to police the way we think and do things in our spare time. Although while Cyberpunk itself was created on the message that if corporations get to big then they'll fuck us over. I'm worried they'll try to push in a leftist slant rather than portraying both sides of the argument and try to relay the message that chinese interference is the start of the tyrannical Cyberpunk reality.
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f5b6c8 No.16765770
Anon, you can't get MORE head up your own ass than Kojima.
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7d98b3 No.16765772
>>16765767
We're already living in that reality, I'm afraid. Remember how much they built up the 2000's back in the 1980's? It's what I call technological innovation but in the wrong places. They're getting better at warfare and spying on people but not so much with actually improving the world. It's all pointed inwards instead of outwards, so-to-speak.
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71240f No.16765792
>>16765772
Apparently so, and that's the terrifying part.
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18aca2 No.16765827
THE MEMES JACK
>>16765772
Not vidya, but I was watching Enemy of the State not too long ago and it was funny but not in a good way. That movie came out in '98 and it's funny how what was perceived back then and what we know now about spying is just so much worse.
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ab46be No.16766150
>>16765760
bioshock, nier automata. Do a google search anon
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676379 No.16766177
>>16765760
>Also, don't post any "philosophical" games where the writer clearly had their heads stuck firmly up their own ass, such as in Nier Automata.
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c1cf20 No.16766352
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0c1e98 No.16766459
Every game is full of shit compared to KOTOR 2
Also The Talos Principle is bretty gud, if a bit Philosophy 101
Its expansion is about convincing shitposting neets to accept god and kill themselves, which is pretty neat
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01f31c No.16766513
>>16765772
That is why you shouldn't trust any future predictions for technology from journalists. They themselves know fuck-all about how any of it works to the point where it is an absolute fucking miracle if you can find one that can give you an even remotely correct definition of the word "quantum" without looking it up on Wikipedia. So why should you listen to what the fuck they have to say about it? And I would go further than that and just say that you should outright distrust anyone they put forward in the spotlight.
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8a0c44 No.16766572
>>16765760
>Whether it was those games alone that changed my ideals is up in the air, but that's besides the point. Also, don't post any "philosophical" games where the writer clearly had their heads stuck firmly up their own ass, such as in Nier Automata.
So… no philosophical video games apply?
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7d98b3 No.16766644
>>16766572
Don’t make the mistake that nips know how to do philosophy. Ever seen Evangelion?
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10cfc1 No.16766647
>>16766459
Kreia is prime GILF
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8d7ac7 No.16766656
>>16766644
Evangelion is sociology/social psychology at most. Stop shitting yourself over evangelion,
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0c1e98 No.16766661
>>16766647
>tfw no big brain goth gf
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7d98b3 No.16766668
>>16766656
>all the biblical imagery
>the movie
<"sociology/social psychology at most"
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8d7ac7 No.16766682
>>16766668
Anno himself stated already that all the "symbolysm" related to christianity was superficial. The only real messages of the show are embedded in characters and their relationships.
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cdaf39 No.16766920
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83ccb8 No.16767074
>>16765767
It'll be in a leftist slant as trannies love that genre. If you've been in those circles, then you'll that they're deluded enough to believe that corporations are funding and supporting fascists, right-wingers, etc despite them being deplatformed from a majority of services..
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ec79e3 No.16767646
>>16767074
tfw I know someone who believes that, and wants to fight Capitalism while siding with Antifa
Though tbh, corporatism is a threat. And we're living in the times to experience that.
But it's retarded to go full Commie, or even half Commie, or quarter Commie, or any% Commie
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db3e55 No.16767659
>>16767646
The problem in the US is that corporations are allowed to make any size of donation they want to political campaign. On top of that, you have non-profit organizations that function as propaganda machines.
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ec79e3 No.16767695
>>16767659
It's the same thing in Europe
They just call it "lobbying"
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1037e2 No.16767742
>>16765767
Don't hope for much from Nu-CDProjectRed.
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43fa09 No.16767910
Why not just read a book on any of those topics? I can't tell the last time I bothered with a story in a video game. It's not that the writers have their head stuck up their ass, it's that they're incapable of explaining themselves through a videogame properly. It's like browsing the app store to find good video games.
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5a8d0c No.16770012
Way of the Samurai 3, it did the anti-war thing a lot better than Spec Ops.
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1263c2 No.16770044
I get the sense that the developers of Prey (2017) were trying to make a point about identity, the value of a life, and the ethics of memory manipulation and artificial intelligence, but they ran out of time and couldn't flesh any of it out properly so it mostly just got dropped.
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c5e254 No.16770083
>>16767910
Because its a different medium. Sure i read books,watch movies about the same topics but i also want a good story in video games What makes you think people arent already reading books and watching movies?
God forbid that i even look for a game with a good story!
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bb0835 No.16770091
>>16770083
Most people want a video game for the game part.
There's nothing wrong with having a good story, but there are hardly any games with something like that.
I guess you could check out Xenosaga.
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f5eb1a No.16770106
>>16770091
>Most people want a video game for the game part.
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5a8d0c No.16770110
>>16770106
Most people with a brain.
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369886 No.16770114
>>16766668
>ignoring the creator's own fucking words just to you can act like Eva is some kind of 2deep4u masterpiece
>>16770110
He's right in a sense, most of the "muh narrative-driven experiences" types don't actually want games. Look at Pathologic 2 for example, it got shit on by critics despite being the exact kind of game they claim they want.
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c145a7 No.16770148
>>16765827
Despite being such a goofy game, MGR has a lot of good subjects it covers.
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fafa5f No.16770186
>>16770044
It doesn't help that they focus on some dyke relationship drama for what feels like an eternity.
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f3a161 No.16770214
>>16770091
>Most people want a video game for the game part.
Tell that to the visual novel fandom and telltale game studios
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f5eb1a No.16770216
>>16765772
Technology does not advance to the need of people and some arbitrary human accession(to the stars). Technology advances based on need. If there ever comes a time where we start needing highly professional near immortal individual thats when the technology will develop and healthcare as a whole. We will practically never invent androids/robots to work in our stead because there are billions of disposable people to do it.
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bb0835 No.16770224
>>16770214
VNs are their own special niche.
Which is exactly as it should be, a fringe genre dedicated to the story instead of something that tries to have it both ways and turning into a cinematic crapfest with shallow mechanics.
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f14756 No.16770234
>>16765760
>don't post any "philosophical" games where the writer clearly had their heads stuck firmly up their own ass, such as in Nier Automata.
How on earth do you do any political or philosophical message without your head being up your ass? You just have asshats you agree with and ones you don't.
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43b1f5 No.16770283
Recently played Max Payne 3. Guess how bad it is.
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0c1e98 No.16770334
>>16770148
I'd hardly call MGR philosophical, but the most interesting part is that Raiden's reason for fighting is one usually cast as villainous, that the ends justify the means, whereas Armstrong is the exact opposite, "might makes right" is by definition the means justifying the ends, it's just that he has a grand goal in mind, while Raiden wants to maintain the status quo
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01f31c No.16770345
>>16770334
>while Raiden wants to maintain the status quo
That's MGS as a whole
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d29ea2 No.16770366
Maybe a bit of a stretch, but when Warthunder added new maps that were pretty obviously set in an American small town it shook me up pretty good.
It was very rattling to start up a game and watch what could easily have been my dad's hometown get turned into a literal warzone with the shells of flaming vehicles, cars being crushed or blown up by stray shots, streetlights being knocked down, etc.
Especially when I realized "this is how European players must feel and this actually DID HAPPEN for a lot of their homes."
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5a8d0c No.16770390
>>16770283
0%, it's really fun. Easily the best gunplay in the series.
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4f27f7 No.16771202
>>16770091
Is Xenosaga actually good? Xenogears has some of the most atrocious story telling I've come across in recent memory. And the game wasn't particularly fun either, though partly to blame for my unfun is the emulator being inconvenient for sure.
>>16770083
>I want a good story in video games
No, you said you wanted engaging politics and philosophy told in a non-head-stuck-up-ass fashion. Which can't exist in games because a writer needs a lot of preparation to explain something properly lest he be misunderstood.
Sucks to be you though. I'll play Umihara Kawase, Mario World romhacks, multiplayer games and roguelites because I'm not an idiot. FF13 seems to be the closest thing to a story-driven game that I actually cared for. Perhaps because it's actually directed but who knows. People have a hate boner for the game for some reason.
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724974 No.16771245
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5faf44 No.16771308
>>16765760
HL2Beta is one of the most deep games I've ever played. Way better than retail HL2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S544wX6InU
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5da98c No.16771359
Arcanum is the only game I've played that deals with the "forbidden" topics of contemporary world politics.
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f8cb84 No.16771361
>>16770091
>Most people want a video game for the game part.
If that's true then why do people like JRPG's so much?
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b9dae5 No.16771430
op, the larger part of philosophy can't actually be applied to real life. What usually happens is that it strives to be so universally applicable that it does not concern itself with what is (should be) going on, but with other questions like 'how's it possible that my perception exists' and the like (barring ethics of course, and aesthetics to a smaller extent)
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4db8ca No.16771435
Besides Deus Ex what are some redpilled games?
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f5eb1a No.16771439
>>16771245
That started as complete bull but ended up making a good point.
I don't know how to feel.
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59d1e9 No.16771462
>can't post images
>can't even make a post without an image
>flood detected post discarded
Amazing.
I just want to get this post through and then I'm out.
>>16771202
>Is Xenosaga actually good?
It's hit and miss. I wouldn't recommend it if I didn't like it.
Do you like JRPGs, religious techno-sorcery and android girls? Then you'll enjoy it.
Keep in mind that the first game has absurdly long cutscenes. They're roughly the same length of those in MGS4, I just checked.
Thankfully, the sequels have much more sensible cutscene length. I didn't like the gameplay of X2, but you might want to try it anyway.
X3 is when they really got everything right.
>>16771361
Because they want some variety as well?
Games with a heavy focus on the story are only an issue when they're all you have available.
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45e38c No.16772658
>>16765767
>democrats
>but no mention of conservatives
Ah yes, the people who famously do huge corporate and wealth tax cuts and deregulation, while tending to just straight-out put corporate execs at the head of government agencies? They have nothing to do with the dystopia we're hurtling toward.
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7d98b3 No.16772775
>>16771359
>tfw this questline never truly gets resolved
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7f5f5d No.16781367
>>16772775
It has to be resolved IRL.
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86d022 No.16781388
is there anything that I need to say?
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e04e46 No.16781971
>>16771359
And i tought that Fallout devs were liberal leaning.
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fbaf3c No.16791804
I like how deus ex is able to portray the bject benovolence and one of many a correct path to the implementation of AI in everyday life, because only brainlets think AI will go skynet and not full tay- unless AI is purposely limited and taught pain and cruelty and not inferred as tools of mankinds ascention and whatnot.
I also like how it shows us that The only technical working form of communism requires billions of dollars in bio-augmentations to distribute a global consensus on problem solving that can ponly be afforded by wealth and power Ironic.
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bf2f13 No.16791817
>>16765767
>cyberpunk
It's the most pozzed genre, with high fantasy closely following. The whole "dystopia because corporations bad" is an extension of "capitalism bad", and the issues described are usually paper thin, with good goys revolutionaries for social justice and bad goys corporation supremacists. I long for a deconstruction of the genre where you play the pro-corporation side as a just a guy who works for a living to support his own family and community and kills wannabe marxists.
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635cf9 No.16791825
>>16791817
>ywn make a cyberpunk game about how government intervention is the only reason mega-corporations are able to come into existence sc the protagonists try to overthrow the government and establish anarchocapitalism.
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eb9583 No.16791870
>>16765760
>go to say deus ex
>already mentioned it
>>16766661
>>tfw no big brain goth gf
Gilf is GRANNY i'd like to fuck. Not goth.
I'm sorry anon.
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1f7796 No.16791890
>>16766682
Once an artist releases a work anything he says about it post-release is NOT canon
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bf2f13 No.16791907
>>16791887
>imagine being so anti-freedom that you actively defend big corporations monetizing and datamining the human body.
as opposed to living in some multicultural hellhole ruled by marxists that will impoverish everyone but themselves
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50a6ef No.16793492
>>16791907
Are you implying that big corporations are in any way opposed to the mass import of third world immigrants?
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9783b4 No.16793965
>>16771435
Dong Tropical Freeze
>Dong lives in tropical area
>Arctic creatures invade, actively disrespecting the culture and custom's of dong's place. Even going as far as crushing a banana
L.A. Noire
>First mission is about some kike murdering a goy
>Shows the dark shit going on behind Hollywood's curtains
Skyrim also has some redpills in it
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2b9c33 No.16794008
>>16771462
>Thankfully, the sequels have much more sensible cutscene length. I didn't like the gameplay of X2, but you might want to try it anyway.
>X3 is when they really got everything right.
Xenosaga has a wierd but familiar system that is a nice combination between xenogears and a standard RPG where.
Xenosaga 2 has the most unique system that would be the most expanded concept of a system that expands upon the xenogears system with highs, lows, arials, knockdowns/heavys etc. Xenosaga 2 suffers most from enemies being so focused on using that stock system where you have to build up and having use the EXACT (very important to capitalise if you are thinking about playing it) combo to defeat. I can't say for certain about the limits of the gameplay system because I didn't complete the game 100% and get all the optimal end game buffs and play through the game. Also there were spells and summons too that were available in the game but I didn't really care because I thought "Oh, everything will be added on and improved upon in the third series" like an optomistic dipshit. If any game managed to expand or improve upon Xenosaga 2 It would be great; but I guess that goes for every JRPG that "Didn't reach its potential".
Xenosaga 3 went fuck-ass basic with its standard RPG system where there were normal attacks and hard attacks which led you to attack more or stun the enemy if I remember. It was a disappointing gameplay system but it was standard and worked all things given. Xenosaga 3 is bog standard gameplay that shouldn't be praised while its previous two games have something unique in them that should have been expanded upon which I think brings Xenosaga 3 down in my opinion.
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2b9c33 No.16794025
>>16794008
>Xenosaga has a wierd but familiar system that is a nice combination between xenogears and a standard RPG where.
Sorry about that.
There is an expansion upon the xenogears system where there is multiple finishes to input/combo strings. there is a specific action to pressing triangle. square, and 'x'. You can learn even more finishing moves.
Also adding on Xenosaga 2. The game had turn cut ins so allies could add in their combos (built by stocks) which made battles more one sided in your favor. Once again building stocks was a bitch because it relied on all your allies to build stocks, if one of them died your momentum in battle was fucked and you had to spend time healing them.
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875eab No.16794083
>>16791907
Corporatism is pushing multiculturalism way harder than Communism. Sure the Marxist retards are more adamant about multiculturalism on the surface, but it's just so they can feel self-righteous and it's also out of spite. Corporatism naturally pursues multi-culturalism as a key way of how it functions, because it's a way they can cut cost and drive wages down. It's been happening in America since it's fucking inception. It's absolute blind greed. A force orders of magnitude stronger than some SJW retards in San Fransisco feelings.
It's really hard to say which one is more destructive than the other.
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fb7bdc No.16794513
>>16772658
They both do that, dumbass. Look at the cabinet of any president in the past 30 years. We're already in a dystopia.
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fbe7f2 No.16794537
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875eab No.16795024
>>16794462
I see it as Communism is essentially boiling water and Capitalism is a slowly heating pot.
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b3592b No.16795157
>>16794462
Why was Pre-1900's America the closest Capitalism ever got to being a perfect system? Was it due to the strong moral guidelines the overwhelming majority of citizens followed? Was it due to the lack of financial systems of banks and corporations? Was it due to the relatively unheard-of rights each citizen was allowed? Or was it simply due to the fact that the jews hadn't yet thought of a way to subvert the burgeoning new society that sprung up out of nowhere practically? I think the founding fathers were truly on to something. Where did it go wrong?
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9b1117 No.16795175
>>16795157
You already know the answer: a society only functions when it's whites only. It honestly doesn't matter what system is used; if your population is honest and hard-working then you get peace and prosperity - if not then you get crime and poverty. Add on to that the fact that America had plenty of untapped resources and room to easily expand, as well as being relatively free from the cancer of an (((idle aristocracy))) and you had the perfect recipe for a place where people could live freely and where hard work paid off.
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8ae6de No.16795249
I like the Oddworld games but sometimes I think the they have an anti-western message though. It seems to make capitalism, industry and technology out to be bad things while lionizing the whole "noble savage" idea along with tribalistic mysticism and ancient superstitions with how Mudokon civilization is portrayed.
Though I will admit message of the game does have point about there sometimes being too much technology and how some times capitalism can lead to cronyism and screw over the little guy. I do agree that can be a problem.
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875eab No.16795466
>>16795157
Industrial revolution was a massive boon to the country unlike any other seen in history, but it came at a cost.
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2fb5e3 No.16795594
>>16771202
>People have a hate boner for the game for some reason.
Probably because the game part is shit, ie the exploration and battle system.
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6fdac1 No.16795643
>>16766661
>I would have killed the galaxy to preserve you. I would have let the galaxy die. You are more rare than you know, and what you have taught yourself must not be allowed to die. You are not a Jedi. Not truly. And it is for that that I love you
>you are beautiful to me exile
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59836d No.16795693
>>16795157
I think it's just that with work being much more connected and efficient it gets easier to exploit. It don't see how it being whites only means anything. We had many african americans working low class jobs. It's still mostly the case now. Just bussiness have all this science and knowledge that back then they didn't have. In the 30s and 40s they were actually breaking monopolies. While now they're working with them.
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a145db No.16796534
>>16795249
I recall the creator of the series said that the tone and villains of the upcoming game were inspired by seeing what the (((elites)))) were doing so make of that what you will. Found these that give further insight:
https://archive.md/Kx606 https://archive.md/4ecqE
Western society has been on a downward spiral after WW2 anyway, so it's not like it's anything too off the mark.
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010b2e No.16796543
>>16770114
Some of the best works escape even their author's understanding.
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1dfcf5 No.16796559
>>16770083
>God forbid that i even look for a game with a good story!
Planescape: Torment.
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33710c No.16796560
>>16795249
Nigger the game uses russian terms and names for the horrible shit in the game. Like gulag is kulag or some shit. The creator stabs more on gommunism and marxism than anything else, also in interviews. I have the artwork book of Oddworld, even more info in there. It also stabs at monopoly shit for sure, and (((them)))
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b78afc No.16796639
>>16771359
What if it's human men fucking ogre women?
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010b2e No.16797244
>>16796640
George Washington was only invited to a lodge meeting, even then it was before the Illuminati takeover of the Free Masons in Wilhelmsbad. He was asked later in a letter what he thought about the Free Masons and he responded that if the stories were true they have rotted from the inside and are no longer worth revering as they once were. Get your facts straight before you disrespect the founding fathers. https://archive.is/jEg9#selection-17.21-17.32
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7dc170 No.16797278
>>16797244
Ignore him, he's just using buzzwords that he doesn't really understand. I can't tell whether he's pretending to be a bad parody of a /pol/ack or just a faggot who doesn't know his ass from his elbow.
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fb7bdc No.16797561
>>16795466
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
I'm torn on this subject though. Without technology, we'd just survive on Earth until the Sun explodes. We need it to colonize the stars, but it has made many of us miserable despite the physical luxuries it provides. At what cost?
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fb7bdc No.16797563
>>16795693
Study after study has found that the more diverse an area is, the less trust exists in the community, even within the same race or group. High trust societies are successful ones. You don't need research to tell you this though, it's quite obvious to anyone paying attention.
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8ffe9f No.16797579
>>16765760
Historically Accurate.
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25b6af No.16797683
>>16797671
Anyone that doesn't think freemasonry was always a jewish lucifer cult is an idiot.
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e42adc No.16797688
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010b2e No.16797701
>>16797683
Why do you niggers keep conflating luciferianism with baphomet? Are you that retard from /x/ who was asking how to properly practice satanism while posting an image of baphomet? Do you even know how old free masonry is? Do you even know how old baphomet is?
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cdaf39 No.16797772
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