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>>16740595

Holy shit. Finally.

The best part is that the game is fully playable start to finish. I hadn't played Daggerfall before stumbling onto the project and now its my favorite TES game. Plus it runs on a toaster.

>>16740606

The original Daggerfall is buggy as shit, so this will be the definitive version to play the game.

What mods?

>>16740626

At least I'm not installing a botnet when I'm playing the original version of Daggerfall.

You can now look vertically.

>>16740658

Why would I want to do that? Did they add any actually useful features in?

>>16740683

I mean, it didn't invent it but has it.

The mod adds it to the game, and that makes it more like Skyrim, even if it wasn't done because of Skyrim, so it's technically not false.

Still a retarded title.

>>16740661

You must not have a neck.

>>16740728

What the fuck do I need a neck for?

Cross&Dress letter from Methesda when?

>>16740779

My neck felt stiff playing Daggerfall at first, but I did get used to, however the camera freedom of Daggerfall Unity is still nice. The graphics are also a big step up. I just do not understand what the problem is supposed to be.

>>16740595

Okay, either Argonian's are hung like horses or that's a loincloth. I can't tell.

>>16740655

>botnet

source?

Nice, I've been waiting to play Daggerfall as a whole until the Unity version was playable. Now I might wait a bit longer though, so they can iron out some of the immediate bugs.

What's left for them to do now?

>>16740819

It's both, obviously.

>>16740802

Bethesda doesn't make money off of Dfall anymore. It's been freeware for years. Remake is safe. Technically Bethesda was supposed to follow their pattern and release Morrowind as freeware earlier this year, but they decided to do it only for one day instead of forever.

>>16740844

>It's been freeware for years. Remake is safe.

doesn't mean they aren't still the IP holder. sure it's doubtful they'll kick up a fuss about it but it is bethesda we're talking about.

>>16740832

>bugs

Anon, the game is already more stable than the original. It's the Daggerfall equivalent to OpenMW at this point.

>>16740904

>It's the Daggerfall equivalent to OpenMW at this point.

Well, it sure is getting there faster than OpenMW.

>>16740802

When the USA moves to fully-organic produce which they should just saying haha

They sure got a lot sorted out since around 0.5 going by the roadmap, think that's when I last checked up on it.

Coincidently I already tried playing it for the first time on this very build, earlier this month. I didn't notice that they'd switched to "alpha", it just seemed like a good time to try.

Still buggy as hell and easily broken. I'm not entirely sure how much of that is original and how much is from Unity, since I never played the original daggerfall. I quit when I had a max level Vampire with 100 in all attributes except luck (which was about 80, the Oghma Infinium would have solved that), and insane enchantments powered by "sunlight damage", which you can put as many times as you want on each item for -6000 points each and the actual damage doesn't stack. I ended up with Mercantile so high that shopkeepers paid me to take their stuff, and then paid me even more to buy it back. All magic skills were over 100, meaning that all magic costs were reduced to 5 (actually negative in spellmaking, but capped at 5), and if I didn't want to use magic my Hand to Hand skill was also at around 300, so I did massive damage punches as well. And then I did one quest from the main quest and quit.

>>16741112

One thing Daggerfall is really good for though is dungeons. They are all fucking huge, ten times the size of that Morrowind dwemer puzzle box dungeon or more, and so confusing and maze-like that even with the new 3d automap that automatically shows you hidden doors, I still can't navigate some of them. It's annoying when you are doing a quest in them, but if you just relax and enjoy the dungeon crawl it's pretty nice. Keeping your character balanced so that you can enjoy the dungeon difficulty without getting instantly destroyed or instantly destroying everything is a challenge though.

Some of them might be bugged though. At least one dungeon I tried seemed to have 2 major sections with no obvious connection between the two. One was the entrance, and the other was where the quest target ended up being. The only way I finished it was to cheat and teleport to quest target, and then I still couldn't navigate back either. Maybe I'm just retarded, but that kind of thing is a real possibility with randomly generated maps.

This worth playing over the original for a first playthrough?

>>16741377

What's so special about OpenMW 1.0?

>>16740675

>>16740683

The original Daggerfall already has completely customizable keys.

>>16741353

Yes

>>16741700

They are too stupid to change default settings like the majority of people who tried Daggerfall and thought that you had to have that bar on the bottom or that the game lacked mouselook.

still waiting for the new gpu to arrive, last one shit the bed at 7 years old but i'll probably give it a play. I'm kind of chucking to myself buying a gpu that would annihilate anything and i'm going to fucking play daggerfall and doom with it.

>>16741832

>chucking

you know what I meant,

>>16740655

>installing a botnet

You don't need to install unity to play a unity game, brainlet.

>>16741112

Sounds like the original Daggerfall, really. You can exploit the game to an insane degree, but nothing forces you to do so.

>>16741121

Those kinds of dungeon were also a "feature" of the original DF, and this is using the original DF maps, so it's likely still present.

>>16741700

so the neoliberal fags can't keep their hands off it? wasted game. tell the fag tools develepor to GFH

>>16740595

Now if only it wasn't in Unity. The tech is OK, but since it's proprietary we'll soon have the same problems again of unfixable bugs.

Is original Daggerfall really that bugged, even with say, fan patches? The game being exploitable doesn't bother me as much as glitchy, pajeet-tier garbage code does.

>>16741867

>You don't need to install unity to play a unity game

You don't need to install Unity to get the botnet, retard. The games come with it too. From what I understand, developers have to pay for the ability to disable the botnet for their game. And that's assuming you trust both them to keep their word that it can be disabled and the game developers to choose to disable it. That said, I'm not going to give up every Jewnity game. I'll just run it on my airgapped vidya-only PC.

>brainlet

You have to go back.

>>16741939

Daggerfall is buggy as all fuck but it's not house of cards style broken like every fucking new game is where coughing at it too hard deletes all your saves. It's more like Final Fantasy 2 where practically none of the mechanics work the way they're supposed to but you can still get stuff done.

>>16741939

>You don't need to install Unity to get the botnet, retard. The games come with it too.

Proof?

>>16741947

>but it's not house of cards style broken like every fucking new game is where coughing at it too hard deletes all your saves.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Corrupted_Savegames

>>>/v/16742042

Might wanna try reading the first part of that sentence again my reddit spacing friend.

>>16742057

Wait, so are you trying to say that randomly crashing and having your save corrupted isn't a big deal? You said that the game doesn't have issues with easily-corrupted saves after excusing all of the other bugs vanilla Daggerfall has, for some reason.

>>>/v/16742069

Was the IP hop really necessary?

>>16742076

Do you even have a point? Like, I have no fucking idea what you're even trying to communicate here. That's why I began posting in the first place. Did you read your own post again?

>>16742131

Is it even possible to move in more than one direction? Is he some sixth dimensional being?

>>16742248

You could probably just figure out which service it is and block it very easily. Still pretty gay though.

>>16740819

They're massively hung

>>16740877

Actually if you stop actively attempting to preserve your ownership of something, while still technically owning it there are precedents set that say you aren't allowed to suddenly try to fuck someone out of nowhere. By giving the game out for free for so many years, Bethesda has essentially forfeited the right to sue the project's creator for damages. It would get thrown out of court unless they make an enhanced Daggerfall remake themselves (and they're too lazy to remake anything other than Skyrim).

>>16742446

Chances are a community team might not know that or feel confident battling that in court though. We're talking about the company that sued John Carmack because he stole his own code.

>>16740683

Video games invented modding.

I used to love Daggerfall in my teen years, but I didn't finish the game until a couple of years ago when I made a concerted effort to finish the main quest after beating Arena for the first time. Honestly, Arena was better, at least in terms of the main quest stuff. Daggerfall was great when I was young enough to let my imagination take hold in what is essentially a giant LARPy sandbox, but the actual hardwired story content is very shallow and dungeon design, and I'm speaking about the handcrafted dungeons, is terrible compared to Arena. That's not to say Arena has perfect dungeons, in fact they really shit the bed in the second half and I only made it through with wallwalking and invisibility, but they weren't as fucky and nonsensical as some of Daggerfalls mandatory mind benders. Long story short; Arena has better main quest content, Daggerfall is better for fucking around in. On a side note I don't really see what the point of the unity port is; it's a DOS game, you can run DOSBOX on a toaster.

>>16742450

>>16742446

Doesn't Daggerfall Unity still require assets from original Daggerfall? In that case the project should be safe, just as any other engine reverse-engineering out there.

>>16742864

You're right, it is effectively safe, otherwise Bethesda could also sue the OpenMW creators and every Doom source port programmer. Funny how Bethesda seems to have a monopoly on games with new engines designed by the community

>bras

Didn't Daggerfall have tits though

imagine playing daggerfall with the fucking unity engine rofl

>>16743339

Battlespire is the one that had tits.

>>16740595

>Unity

Always wanted to play Daggerfall but heard the game was broken as hell and had many bugs. Will be playing this once it enters beta.

>>16741939

Daggerfall on release could format your harddrive by launching it. Yes it was THAT bad. Why wlaw do you think it used to be known as Buggerfall? The fanpatches did miracles on the game, but it's still bugged up to high hell. To this day I laugh at the people who consider Bethesda a competent developer (how did they stay afloat even?), the volume of bugs in Skyrim on release just proved that they've learned nothing since.

>>16743613

Reminds me of some game that just nuked the install folder so if you for some reason installed it at the root of your drive it would nuke the entire drive when using the uninstall.exe

>>16743616

The newer shitty Pool of Radiance did that IIRC

>>16743492

Daggerfall had plenty of tits.

>>16743755

I think it comes out when you ask nicely.

>>16743755

They probably have genital slits

>>16740655

>At least I'm not installing a botnet when I'm playing the original version of Daggerfall.

You are.

Where's the source code?

>>16743755

I'm quite sure that's a female

>>16743855

cuntboy is a fag fetish

>>16744154

I got fucking killed by a demon because I was low on hp and didn't back off cause I didn't know my hp was low because I was looking at the fucking red bar.

>>16742859

> a giant LARPy sandbox

nigger, do you fucking know what LARP means?

you don't LARP in a fucking computer game.

>>16744356

To be fair, you don't LARP online either but retards who don't understand the term use it to refer to any form of makebelieve/pretend. "He's larping" is the new "he's trolling."

>>16743616

Myth 2 did that as well, but at least Bungie back then wasn't a faggot company and they recalled something like 250,000 copies of the game and gave people a patched version.

>>16744370

>He's larping" is the new "he's trolling."

That's now how the term is used at all

It's used to refer to hardcore roleplay enthusiasts, but it makes no sense as LARP means Live Action Roleplay, fucking IRL stuff.

>>16744370

I fucking hate how the term has lost all meaning along with "trolling", "hoe" and "weeaboo".

I remember in another Daggerfall thread, some faggot said Daggerfall was "Good for LARPing". that's fucking retarded, Daggerfall is not a live action game it is a fucking computer game. LARP means Live Action Role Play, not just Role Playing.

I am fucking mad how words have been changing into niggerisms. not even Vulgar Latin was this bad.

>>16744370

No, LARPing in this context means playing pretend, which role playing is too, but in the case of RP there are mechanics in place that dictate how successful a character is at what he tries to do.

With Bethesda games a lot of redditors go around playing pretend because the games are so woefully lacking in any proper roleplaying systems. It's virtual LARPing where some soy addicted faggot screams "lighting bolt" at the screen while punching the enemy in the face.

>>16744395

>>16744380

We know what LARP means, you fucking niggers, I'm pointing out how it's being misused. Try reading.

>>16744399

People are using it to mock Bethesda and their games. Just because you're deep in the spectrum and humor flies over your head doesn't mean the rest of us don't get it.

>>16744399

Oh, I misread

Thought you meant that he's LARPING = he's trolling.

You just meant that it's misused in a similar manner.

My bad

>>16744395

>No, LARPing in this context means playing preten

That's called RPing, you are ROLE PLAYING, not Live action Role playing, as you are role playing the character in a virtual enviroment, not roleplaying through you own body. Jesus Christ, why must something simple argue semantics.

>>16744398

>>16744401

There was no joke, it was an obvious misuse of the word that needs to be corrected as we have fucking niggers here who don't know what words mean.

Gonna be honest, I would blame the rise of "trolling" misused on speedrunners. "THE GAME IS TROLLING ME" – no the game is doing exactly what it's supposed to do, the RNG being RANDOM is not trolling. Early GDQ started using this phrase, and over the last 10 years suddenly anything that doesn't fit the expectations or narrative is trolling.

Someone arguing against common belief, gets dismissed "he's just trolling." Maybe there's a reason someone would have a different opinion. But on the internet everyone has their fingers on the fucking block button and dismisses any and all criticism or critical disagreement as "just a goof" "just trolling."

>>16744408

>you are ROLE PLAYING

I get you're a mentally challenged autistic subhuman, but surely you can tell the difference between a child pew pewing his friend and claiming he killed him and someone rolling dice to determine if his character hit the target and how much damaged the projectile did.

That's the difference between playing pretend and role playing. RP has systems and rules in place to calculate the success or failure or player actions - and Bethesda games lack this by a large margin, hence why people call them LARPing, since playing one of their games is the equivalent of bashing some other chimp on the head with a foam sword or yelling out your spells and then telling people you killed them - only even more pathetic because you're doing it by yourself.

>>16744419

You are very obviously trolling.

>>16744422

there's nothing incorrect about that post

>>16744419

That never happens though

Redditors just mod some half baked broken mechanics with some half assed animations and ignore that the game mechanics are fundamentally shit.

>>16744429

RP is roleplaying, that is PLAYING A ROLE. It has NOTHING to do with dice or statistics, it is ACTING OUT THE ROLE OF YOUR CHARACTER. I'm sorry, but the term roleplay predates your fucking video games and Dungeons & Dragons. So when he says "RP has systems" he's already being a retarded nitpick with his own autistic definition of what RP is.

You can't LARP if you're sitting at a computer in a fucking chair. So yes, there's plenty incorrect about his post.

>>16744422

Go play with your Lego.

>>16744430

Granted, there's many that use mods, but there's shitloads of redditors pretending to do this or that with no actual gameplay mechanic involved. It's basically them using self-imposed challenges to try and roleplay a character in a game that possesses no systems to account for what they are doing.

>>16744437

Self imposed autism is still not LARPing though.

Not even close

Quints

>>16744436

>CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

Oh boy, I can feel a bout of the 'tisms coming.

>>16744445

That's not even how that phrase works, you fucking nigger. That phrase is for entire posts in caps. You are an obvious outsider trying to play like you belong here.

>>16744444

Checked.

>>16744445

hello KYM and ED reject, get the fuck out

>>16744444

nice get

>>16744451

Why didn't you bash shift for emphasis some more? Not like we have styling for text. And you're still too stupid to grasp the difference between role-playing and playing pretend.

Go take your Ritalin.

>>16744436

>Game is a role-playing game when I want it to be and isn't when it isn't, having numerical foundations isn't a prerequisite for being an RPG

sweet, my favorite RPG is Mario 64 now

>>16744522

You don't play the role of Mario, not relevant. Also that's some nice fallacies you got working there.

>>16744529

>you don't play the role of Mario

prove it nigger

>>16744532

Alright, since you're just going to shitpost I'm not going to respond.

>>16744543

Halo is an RPG too.

>>16744543

Admitting defeat so soon? You seemed so confident before.

This sure is wildly different combat-wise from the original game, 75 speed munchkin in privateer's putting out a sick 1 attack per 5 seconds flailing the mouse like a madman with an ebony dagger where the DOS version would be literally levitating off the ground through sheer speed of swings. I guess.

>>16744554

Maybe they normalized attack speed cause they considered it an exploit? 75 fucking speed, though, god damn.

>>16744557

The first thief I encountered was hitting me twice for every dagger swing so he went from something that gets vaporized by the same build before he can react in DOS to something that actually does stuff. Probably better for making the game challenging, didn't expect it though.

>>16744581

Click to attack seems more responsive than the movement based style.

>>16744436

>I'm sorry, but the term roleplay predates your fucking video games and Dungeons & Dragons.

>So when he says "RP has systems" he's already being a retarded nitpick with his own autistic definition of what RP is.

Role-playing is the interplay between open system and closed system design where elements of make-believe and improvisation and worked within the system of the game. Role-playing games specifically begin with Blackmoor - while role-playing has earlier ancestors, and games exist prior, the specific combination was unprecedented before ~1972.

>>16744882

>missing the point

Eh fuck it, I give up at this point. I was talking about acting and makebelieve, not a game style. I wasn't saying "there were roleplaying games before D&D." I was talking about taking on the role of something. Nevermind.

>You can't roleplay in Daggerfall, you are just LARPing because it has no systems

Wait when I LARP about a door being lockpicked it stays closed, you lied to me

>>16744390

>>16744395

>>16744380

>>16744370

It's just codexspeak; it's deliberate misuse so there is no sense getting mad over it.

Any mod out yet that adds crossbows?

>>16745286

people probably won't start developing mods for it until beta

>>16746076

They've already started, but for the most part it's graphical improvements and new quests. However one guy is working on a sky ship.

>>16745980

still mad the kike or one of his shabbo goyim deleted all those posts

I'm a bit confused why this goes crazy on CPU usage in dungeons but barely kicks up in towns.

>>16744444

Checked.

>>16746793

Is that Unity version or the fan DOS version? I'm pretty sure its because of how the game handles the map chunks which is causing it. Stuff is constantly spawning in Dungeons, even Dungeons you're technically not inside.

>>16740595

It looks like it has some nice fixes but also

>Unity

>>16743755

>>16745980

The Daggerfall Argonians look better than any of the ones in the other games in the series.

>>16743339

>>16743492

A ridiculous amount of NPCs in the game have their tits out for the world to see. They're mostly in the Temples to Dibella and the inns. What's interesting is that the game has a poorly implemented "childguard" feature that apparently removes the nipples on your character but doesn't cover up any of the hundreds of naked women NPCs in the game.

>>16740827

I'm a dev using Unity to create medical software in the EU. We have to be super careful about this kind of thing, so we don't get fucked by data collection laws. There's an option to build unity games with "hardware statistics" data collection. Most devs would turn this off anyway, but it just sends some basic hardware info to unity on first launch (device type or cpuid, gpuid, moboid, ram and os). It doesn't actively scan your system, send software or file info, or do anything after the first launch.

>>16746819

Unity, I had half figured it had to do with mob AI or something along those lines. It was going over twice CPU usage, seems a bit much.

>>16746839

Well dungeons are massive, mazelike structures full of active monsters that do things based on an actual AI routine even when out of range. They have to path around, fight each other, make noises etc. Towns are flat open spaces with very dumb NPCs that don't path so much as randomly move in straight lines and do nothing. If dungeons are only using twice the CPU as towns, I'd say it's probably working pretty well.

>>16746842

I guess it really isn't that confusing, you're right. The town areas and NPCs are really basic in comparison. I was at the Citadel of Hawksly when I noticed it, not sure if that one's particularly labyrinthine or not.

>>16746849

I just looked it up on UESP, it has 13 dungeon modules so it is quite a big crypt. The biggest is 16 modules and there are only a few 14 module ones in between. I really lucked out randomly finding direction to it from a wee bit of grave robbery.

Anyone experiencing bugs with quests that require gathering information in Daggerfall Unity? Whenever I ask an NPC about a certain character/item, I always get a negative response without fail.

>>16747249

>bugs

Looks like it's a faithful remake after all.

>>16746832

I would say morrowind argonians are best, but certainly daggerfall's is better than the garbage we got in oblivion, and skyrim.

>>16747249

The first quest I took was an information-gathering quest which bugged out and had characters direct me to a "[name missing] Residence" to find the quest target, so there's that.

>>16746872

the fuck animal is that a sloth?

>>16744370

stop LARPing as mad

>>16747249

keep asking around. I hope you have enough personality, street smarts and etiquette to make people like you.

People complained about people being mean in morrowind? wait until they see all the rude peasants in daggerfall.

Have you guys heard about the spiritual successor to Daggerfall some of the original devs are working on?

>>16763554

explain

>>16749212

It's probably legit

I worked with someone who was developing VR software for a doctor, who was working on physical rehab (e.g. after a stroke).

Do you you know that trick where you stand behind someone with your eyes closed and rub their nose, it tricks your senses so you think you have a massive nose?

The software worked like that, but you had a first person view in VR and the on-screen limbs were used to trick you you into thinking you have a bigger range of motion than you realized. So you'd start out with the VR limb matching your own movements 1:1 but it would slowly reach further away (or bend more, whatever the exercise was aimed at repairing) and your body would follow the VR limb. So, gradually, you would recover your range of motion.

Really interesting stuff.

>>16763727

https://www.oncelostgames.com/>>16763727