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I want to see a mode where one player is like a bullet spongey big tank and the survivors have to take him down, but they all get special abilities.

License Gremlins and go crazy on a swarm of them?

>>16733315

I like that director idea by the way, sounds a bit like Zombie Master.

>>16733337

It was rumoured for 2 but on 2008 medium tier consumer hardware it wasn't feasible.

I only played Left4Dead2 months ago, when it was free to try it, and then got it for 2$. Enjoyable, specially Versus, altough I had my gripes with it too. Good to hear that the old devs are back to making a similar game too.

>Personally i wouldn't mind seeing them do things other than zombies. Since this is not left 4 dead 3 for legal reasons they don't need to be beholden to it and could use other kinds of monsters for each campaign, especially if each is based on a movie idea like last time.

I aprove of this. Zombies is too much overused, and variety of enemies & menaces is generally good.

They need to make accomplishing whatever objectives the map requires to progress fun or interesting. Left4Dead2 was my favorite horde shooter right up until I played Payday2. In L4D all you're doing is filling generators, opening doors, moving obstacles. Or at least that is all I can remember. In PD2 you're running around doing all kinds of crazy shit while fighting off absolute fucking bedlam as endless waves of cops make your usual zombie horde look like small crowds.

I understand that in a zombie formula you're trying to get from point A to B so it makes sense that you're just moving obstacles out of your path as objectives, but after having to do shit in PD2 like navigating an Indiana Jones pressure plate floor, keeping a giant laser cutter supplied with electricity and water as it cuts into a vault, using forklifts to steal nukes, breaking into Area 51, cutting a panic room out of a building and airlifting it out via helicopter, having to time C4 explosions to a rave concert's fireworks to mask the noise I don't think I'll find having to supply electricity to a door to get it open or swinging a crane to make a bridge that interesting.

It would also help if Back4Blood took a note out of Killing Floor's book like PD2 did and have a variety of fodder enemies. The only variations I can remember from L4D2 (and it's been years so I'm probably forgetting some) are regular zombies and armored zombies you have to melee the armor off of. I'm not saying to get rid of the miniboss tier enemies, Hunter Spitter Charger Witch etc, that's probably PD2's biggest weakness. It would help to mix up the variety between the periods where a miniboss tier zombie spawns. And definitely keep boss enemies like the Tank in there, and be sure to have multiple types.

I've never played Vermintide or Killing Floor 2 so I don't know if they've done anything interesting with the horde shooter formula that Turtle Rock should crib. Are they worth playing for anything unique?

>more weapon variety

>more enviroment variety instead of just big american cities in the middle of summer

>make handguns usefull

>proper resource management instead of finding a full ammo refil every 5 seconds

>skeletons

>enviromental hazzards other than instadeath cliff edges

>improved AI

>A less shit community that kicks over everything

>more support for modding

>>16733347

gayday 2 sucks, the entire game is you just sitting around waiting 5 minutes for 1 thing to happen whilst fighting off hordes of generic cops that dont even have arm or leg hitboxes and they phase through walls, PD2 was the most boring shit i ever played

inb4 S'Arais.

>>16733347

You are right in that Left4Dead are mostly going from A to B really fast, and mostly variation is in getting special ammo, and the type & number of elites you get. I play Vermintide 2 (And played 1 obviously), and its mostly passing a level, while getting tomes & grimmoires, and said levels can require at the end staying in an area for X time, or killing bosses; Plus, its a fantasy game, so less shotting and more chopping ratmen with a wide variety of melee weapons, and each character is unique, and have three classes each to choose. Thats why I recommend Vermintide 1 and 2 (Well 2 mostly because 1 is barely played now).

Never tried the PayDay games, heard good things at the beginning, but then heard bad shit, and at least 2 become really monetized and badly balanced, as I heard. Is there any point in playing the games now? Specially if you need to spent a shitload of money to get all shit?

>>16733315

I want to see it getting cancelled

>>16733315

>no equipment loadouts

>the same level of writing visual quality and charm that left 4 dead/2 had

>great zombie tech like left 4 dead 2 that allows nice dynamic and visceral dismemberment

>more objective types

>less formulaic level types

>more unique enemy design

It's kind of pathetic that Turtle Rock are just this shitty one trick pony that are going back to the only thing they made that was successful. This games being published by Warner Bros. expect it to be monetized to hell and back.

>>16733368

I'd say that's what's best, there's a million better games that could get spiritual successors, where's my Transarctica sequel, I want some rail autism in the snow.

>no obligatory nigger in player team

>different set of special infected, better map design to accommodate them

>maps in general similar to what >>16733347 mentioned, variety of different objectives

>no more map limit on zombie count that encourages rushing ahead to leave zombies behind and reduce encounters - dividing maps into zones and having separate limits between them would work better

>punish rushing ahead harder in general - in L4D 1/2 it was possible to play around getting captured by special infected, reduce/eliminate those opportunities

All I can think of right now.

>>16733365

You can get paygay 2 with all of the DLC for like 6$ every Steam Sale, but I wouldn't recommend it. I played 500-ish hours of it, and I had a lot of fun, but it requires a certain kind of shit taste and boredom to play for that long.

>>16733376

>I played 500-ish hours of it, and I had a lot of fun, but it requires a certain kind of shit taste and boredom to play for that long.

It is really that shitty, at least now? How it is compared to at least Vermintide 2? (Which I got also like 600 hours, and it will more once the incoming expansion appears too)

>>16733355

>more weapon variety

Meh.

I liked the original because there was no unnecessary clutter, every weapon had a clear function and upgrade, same with the items.

Was the game really improved by adding 4 different assault rifles that all still fill the same role?

>>16733375

But Luis was the best survivor in l4d1

>>16733365

During the summer sale PD2 was $4.50 for the the game and all of the DLC has been made free except a cancerous youtube eceleb DLC, which is good, because I don't want it anyways. There is an optimized meta which I don't think will ever change because the game is basically on life support since the Devs/Producers screwed the pooch on a really bad investment. If you want to play on the hardest difficulties I imagine you'd have to play to the meta or you'd get rekt and yelled at but you can create multiple profiles with different skill layouts and shit.

What >>16733355 says has some truth to it. A lot of the game is setting up various pieces of equipment to accomplish X and babysitting them but the varied window dressing of what your objectives are makes it fun for me at least. There are enemy clipping issues when the connection is bad. There are 67 levels some of which span multiple maps, I'd say maybe five or six levels I've played are shitty and I'd rather not replay them. I'm sure they all start to feel like stale shit once you've played them 20+ times but as of now I only have 50 hours in the game and I'm still having a good time. It helps that the maps have semi randomized elements and depending on whether you can pull off being stealthy or not the objectives can radically change once you fuck up and set off an alarm. 10/10 music is also a big factor towards why I like it.

I'd like to believe that Turtle Rock can scrape all of the good ideas from this and implement them better in this new game but that's yet to be seen.

>>16733389

>Was the game really improved by adding 4 different assault rifles that all still fill the same role?

I said weapon variety, not add weapon skins

>all fill the same role

no shit, What else are assault rifles gonna do?

>>16733400

Maybe articulate yourself better next time

>>16733387

So,

What's good:

>weapon variety

>the build variety

>the special enemies

>some specific missions

>the voice acting/personality of some characters, mainly Dragan, Hoxton and Ron Pearlman's character

What's bad:

>stealth

>the gunplay is average at best

>enemies don't have leg or arm hitboxes

>most missions

>the higher difficulties require you to use very specific autism builds to not get instantly assblasted

>the higher difficulties make enemies incredibly bullet spongey unless you're using specific weapons with specific builds

>the early game is a lot of money grinding, and once you have the money to buy anything you want, it's a lot of XP grinding for infamies

Anyways, compared to V2, of which I've played 130 something hours, I prefer V2, since Legend is more of a test of skill with parrying, dodging, resource management, than Paygay's higher difficulties, which are a test of "can you sit in cover, get good RNG with your dodge or the cops missing you, and are you using a proper build."

>>16733405

Learn 2 read nigger, and actually play the game you are talking about

>>16733337

Isn't it the way PvE works in the last two L4Ds?

I would like the game to be fun and for me to not get kicked for not being an expert at the game.

But these are the dumbasses who made Evolve, so its going to be shallow esports bait with microtransations out the ass.

Yeah, not going to forgive them for evolve. All this is going to be is a poor imitation of l4d2 with weapon skins from loot boxes, stupid outfits from loot boxes, and easy way to report "problematic" players and about a hundred different micro dlcs, 2-5$ each

far as I'm concerned, l4d2 was the end, hell, you can even play the story back to back since they ported all the maps, l4d1 is not needed at all anymore

If I really had to daydream, I would just want that cancelled third game, I think I remember they teased us that you would play as the midnight riders. always thought that being able to see the military side of things would be nice, the final few maps could take place around, and inside, military research facilities, maybe with a few new sci fi weapons that would work like the nade launcher/m60 with no ammo refills. as for other maps/features, I dunno, but I always did like the idea of a football stadium crescendo ending, where about 24 chargers come out all at once, and they keep spawning in like crazy along other infected

>>16733425

yeah, the director is just an AI that dictates what gets spawned, how many and when.

>>16733315

>>16733341

They can make the enemy horde whatever, but they should stick to just one horde and just one, but good roster.

>>16733355

Weapon variety was okay. A pistol, a submachine gun, a pump shotgun, a hunting rifle, an assault rifle and an autoshotgun. From the sequel, magnum and grenade launcher are decent additions

And yeah, more resource management would be very nice, especially because of rushing.

>>16733375

Agreed on zombie spawning.

>campaign rushing

Works because zombie spawns are only alright, but special spawns are retarded. They typically spawn far away enough that you can kill them from afar or just pass, and those left behind also take up slots for the next specials.

>versus rushing

Works because there's nothing worth looking for. Weapons? You start with them and you can also find (better) weapons along the main path, and one AK is enough for everyone. You start with medkits as well. You are given enough stuff on your main path that straying from it you lose more resources, than gain. And saving people is typically not worth it.

They should just license a Warhammer 40k game similar to Vermintide except with Orks/Tyranids/Chaos. There’s no way they can fail if they take notes from Left 4 Dead and Vermintide 2

>>16733531

Isn't that just Deathwing though?

>>16733531

That game exist and is Deathwing EE. Good game altough overall simple, and doesnt give much to play, yes, but it is a coop player vs enmvimorent game.

>>16733556

they will get even more jewish, because they know people will buy the game solely on nostalgia

>>16733429

There is a mod campaign in which the finale takes place in a Football Stadium featuring a bunch of tanks in football uniforms.

It's called Suicide Blitz 2

It's a pretty decent campaign to temperarely scratch your itch

evolve has proven that turtlerock can only make imbalanced pieces of shit without valve guiding them.

>>16733556

The publisher expects to be paid.

L4D2 was the last uncucked Valve game (no item bullshit, no microtransactions, just the same as traditional MP games). There is nothing but refuse in the future for multiplayer, especially not after these retards made Evolve.

>>16733655

I'm still mad that they never made the CS weapons available for non-germans, tho. They would fit in so well as middle tier weapons to spice up the gameplay

>>16733660

you can just get workshop addons to put them back into the game

>>16733315

I'm more interested in GTFO (L4D with xenomorphs) than a L4D3.

>>16733732

Did that go into EA yet?

>>16733389

>fucking nigger who doesnt like the HK MSG90

>>16733400

>What else are assault rifles gonna do?

If it were up to me assault rifles would let you assault Zoey's ass.

>>16733771

>assault Zoey's ass.

just watch Left For Head

>>16733655

It had a nigger and a sheeboon survivors.

>>16733749

I don't know.

>>16734028

so, a halloween themed evolve?

>>16734003

>Georgia

>Mississippi

>Louisiana

Just like IRL.

>>16733315

>L4D2 added melee weapons

These would be fine if they were implemented properly. The problem with L4D2's melee weapons is that they're so ludicrously good at killing zombies you almost never feel like you want a pistol, or a second one.

>3 new special infected

I've ranted about the spitter, jockey, and charger before, but I really think that if the spitter had been added to L4D1 and the survivors had gotten voice lines like the L4D2 survivors to indicate when the spit was incoming (or if there was some mechanical change made to it in order to make it a bit more fair/visible) then you'd have the perfect spread of special infected.

>daytime maps

These can work, but they were mostly implemented in L4D2 as a result of Valve being lazy. The first game's aesthetic is MUCH more focused and cohesive.

>weather like rainstorms that effected behaviour e.g: during the day the static Witch now wanders around and

Rainstorms don't affect zombie behaviour, although they are often synchronized with hordes due to the director. Wandering witches are a different type of witch, and a wandering witch will never sit down. Likewise, a standard witch will never get up and start walking.

>objective based stuff like filling a car with gas.

Scavenge game modes are neat, so I'd like to see something done to expand upon their design. Perhaps something like the payload from TF2 which the survivors need to retrieve gas for in order to move to a destination point (in fact, I recall someone ported Badwater Basin to L4D2 at one point). Perhaps you could do something with a swamp location like Swamp Fever and have there be a raft surrounded by waist dep mud that needs to visit a few different locations.

More importantly, I hope what they AVOID is the feature bloat and poor balance of L4D2 compared to its predecessor. L4D1 is a simple, extremely tight experience, but it's still the better game because it doesn't have a mish-mash of mechanics like its sequel. If all Turtle Rock can do is do to L4D2 what that game did to L4D1, then it'll be another middling failure. Evolve also leaves me with absolutely zero confidence as to their overall development abilities and sensibilities.

>>16734133

I almost always used pistols, sometimes not even picking up any primaries past shotgun and uzi/at all. Also, deagle was fucking great

>Aesthetics

to be honest, I preferred the L4D2 cajun setting, L4D1 felt kinda generic, like they were going thru the list of what settings we're always seen in dozens of other zombie games to include. You could barely tell which area belonged to which map, unless you played the game tons, at first glance, everything looked the same

>>16733347

>regular zombies and armored zombies you have to melee the armor off of

There are a few types of uncommon infected.

>SWAT zombies

As you described them.

>HAZMAT zombies

Tougher than usual and immune to fire.

>factory worker zombies

Tougher than usual and immune to the pipe bomb's lure effect. Also immune to the bile bomb's lure effect because they're programmed the same way.

>mud men

Creepy swamp dudes that skitter on all fours and are covered in mud. They leave smear marks on your screen if they hit you.

>clown zombies

Tougher than usual, and their squeaking noses and shoes attract trains of other zombies.

Overall, the implemenation of uncommon infected in L4D2 is imperfect, but they do make each locale feel distinct and I'd like to see more of them. Definitely tone down the health, though.

>vermintide

There's a whole gear progression system, as well as different sub-classes for each of the characters. There's also a new mode in the upcoming expansion that will add campaign modifiers based on the winds of magic. I don't think we've seen it in action yet.

All I want is for them to find an alternative to Versus Mode. Holy shit fuck Versus Mode.

A Director Mode would be a one direction to take things (hell you actually have so little to do as individual special infected in L4D they might as well all be controlled by one guy), I still can't believe no dev has tried to do a polished version of Zombie Master yet. My best guess as to why is that AAA devs don't want to rely on RTS interfaces because muh console demographic.

Hell I also think it would be kind of cool if playing as infected as actually approach as a invasion mechanic. Where players playing infected can briefly drop in on players doing the co-op campaign to have a single shot at fucking their shit up. Would definitely be a lot more honest about what playing infected is like since it is basically about griefing the other team.

>>16734263

The nigger was a fat obnoxious retard and the sheboon uglier than the female infected.

One of the first fucking mods I installed was a skin for the l4d2 retards with the exception of Nick who I always liked.

The survivors of the first game just got skins that added gear, bruises, dirt and longer beards making them look better overall.

And while the sequal did add a bunch of stuff it sacrificed much in terms of ambience and feeling. During the first game it was always clear that you were playing Survivors. The maps, the design of the characters, the voicelines all of it fit together nicely to create an atmosphere of urgency and fear with occasional moments of levity and companionship.

The second one? Half the maps are in broad and boring daylight, the characters are cardboard fucking cutouts and ugly to boot.

Worst thing is that the one map set at night with good design and atmosphere also features the worst fucking voicelines in the entire franchise.

<redneck stereotype

>LET'S GO TO KIDDIE LAND

<fat nigger

>IMMA BE A ONE MAN CHEESEBURGER APOKALYPSE

So much for surviving the world, this is just four retards having fun with the military guns that these random neighborhoods are just shitting out everywhere.

Fuck turdrock and their pozzed shit

>>16734287

Thank you for introducing this video into my life.

>>16734287

To this day I'll never understand how these videos are even taken. My country isn't the best of places to live but one thing we've got going for us is that whenever there's a street fight or a robbery or anything people step in to break it up to help even if it sometimes results in stupid shit like forcefully yanking someone injured out of a car accident

>>16734150

> almost always used pistols, sometimes not even picking up any primaries past shotgun and uzi/at all

Then you were handicapping yourself, plain and simple.

>generic aesthetics

I agree the Cajun setting is much more flavourful and distinct, but the actual execution of it was abysmal compared to L4D1's more generic but much better constructed environments. The lighting looked better, the textures were better, and the areas were faithful homages to classic genre films. L4D2 only really has Dark Carnival and Hard Rain as campaigns that approach the same level of thematic cohesiveness. Dead Center has way too much open space and too many boring city streets, as does The Parish. Swamp Fever is famously too swampy and almost every chapter looks the same.

>>16734183

>Holy shit fuck Versus Mode.

If they implemented a scoring system like L4D1, then it'd be fine. L4D2's scoring system was just a measure of who could rush and abandon teammates faster.

>players playing infected can briefly drop in on players doing the co-op campaign to have a single shot at fucking their shit up

So, it's like my soulborne experiences?

>no obligatory nigger in player team

But I like Coach and Louis Rochelle can fuck off

>>16734467

Meant to quote

>>16733375

>>16733315

Turtle rock still around?

>>16734183

What's the matter with versus mode? It's for the most part a fun experience and since both games are free of any matchmaking cancer you can just hop out of any cancer match that you might get dropped into.

>>16733368

/thread

>>16734467

I always played louis because i liked his voice the most.

>>16734488

Evolve wasn't that big of a disaster to sink the studio

All this talk of Evolve reminds me, is the evolve shill still around?

>>16733425

Well OP was suggesting allowing a player be director, there wasn't such control in the previous ones.

>>16734364

>this is just four retards having fun with the military guns that these random neighborhoods are just shitting out everywhere.

t. has never been to the Southern states.

>>16733315

L4D1 was great

L4D2 was garbage

>>16734694

L4D1 was garbage.

L4D2 was great.

>>16734694

cuck

>>16734704

cuck

L4D1 was great.

L4D2 was great.

L4D1 was garbage.

L4D2 was garbage.

>>16734704

>>16734706

>niggers

>daytime

>no zoey

fags

>>16734713

L4D2 nabbed L4D1's campaigns, it has them all.

>>16734710

You win for most contrarian post ITT

>>16734713

>Zoey

Generic bitch.

>Daytime

It's great, I can see the zombies more easily.

>Niggers

L4D1 had nigger too. Mods fix it.

also this: >>16734719

There is no reason to ever play L4D1 anymore when the sequel is superior.

>>16734696

Played both plenty back then, and in retrospect L4D was better. KF is way too much about grinding perks to become the ultimate powernigger with the most benefits and it ended up full of DLC jewry.

>>16734719

>L4D2 nabbed L4D1's campaigns, it has them all.

Except they are garbage because they have special infected like the jockey/charger/spitter in them when the maps weren't designed for those infected.

>>16733315

The ability to give yourself a disability to increase your other senses as well as overall difficulty could be a fun way to mix things up. This could include disabilities like

>Blindness - Makes everything around you dark and lights up areas that make noise

>Deafness - Can't hear monsters or allies

>Mute - Unable to give in game commands to allies and don't make noise when attacked

>Amputee - Unable to use weapons that require two hands. Prying something open takes twice as long

>Limp - Walk and run speed is decreased

After equipping one or more disabilities you could then pick a perk to increase a sense that hasn't been crippled.

>Eagle Eyes - Longer range with guns

>Enhanced Hearing - Able to tell where enemies are from further away. Markers tell you where an enemy is from behind as well as how far.

>Throw Voice - The ability to throw your voice to draw an enemies attention towards that direction

>Strong arm - Melee attacks and melee weapons deal more damage

>Sprinter - Run faster and/or run for longer

If you equip disabilities and decide not to pick perks then you can get rewarded with multipliers at the end of the round for more point or experience or whatever.

>>16734729

The new infected make the game more balanced which adds variety and challenge. Charging newfags off a ledge is very satisfying.

>>16734742

>make the game more balanced

No, they made the L4D1 maps imbalanced.

>>16734722

L4D1's use of the AI director was better. Not sure how but I found it felt much more tense whenever a horde was about to attack. Think it might have taken longer for them to reach the players so you had a longer period of anticipation where you can just hear them heading towards you.

>>16734747

L4D1 was imbalanced to begin with. Survivors have a clear advantage and they still do. The extra infected somewhat mitigate this problem. The charger and spitter are good for dealing with camping teams who cluster in a cramped spaces during finales. Something I would like to see in Back 4 Blood is the ability to choose which infected you play as and shorter respawn timers.

>>16734742

>Charging newfags off a ledge is very satisfying.

And definitely not balanced.

>>16734729

Wow now the infected have 5 points to actually damage a survivor team that knows what it's doing instead of 3 how horrible

>>16734726

I'm not saying you're totally wrong but your concerns are based on conflating taking an element of a game means also taking those problems. In other words, Turtle Rock can easily use kf as a model for improving the gunplay and not adding a leveling system and inexplicably DLCing it like with what happened to original kf.

>>16734853

VS mode but with a ranking system and constant "balance" updates every week that fucks up the game

>>16734847

>even DSP without a brain can tell the game is shit.

That's probably the lowest point.

>made a kinda fun co-op game

>"we're totally gonna add more campaigns and guns and stuff

>make a sequel instead

>"we're totally gonna add more campaigns and guns and stuff THIS TIME

>port everything from the first game in with copy+paste

>make 1-2 more campaigns shorter than the rest

>tell community to make maps and game modes, then abandon ship

Surely no one here would be dumb enough to fall for paying $40-$60 for an hours worth of content again, right?

>>16734861

VS mode was the shit, but playing it for competitive sounds retarded. the community for that mode is pretty try hard and no fun as is

>>16734400

I don't know about the rest of the world, but niggers are likely to either turn on you or just fucking kill you for trying to interfere and American cities generally have "don't be a hero" fucking ingraned into their very being.

>>16733315

hopefully they will not use the source """""engine"""""" sourceniggers need to be fucking gassed and bombed

>>16734566

>Anything I don't like is reddit

>cuckchan filename

Go back, you faglord.

>>16733315

>what do they add to mix up the formula again

Take everything from Elements of Style and turn the enemies into ayys.

>>16734003

Coach was alright for a black guy, rochelle is one hundred percent nigger though

>>16733347

I had an idea for a boss tier enemy called "Mama" based on that huge bitch from Slither.

>Enormous slowly moving or immobile zombie

>Produces an endless supply of worm-like parasites like in Slither

>Worms can infest and reanimate zombie corpses. Killing an infested zombie kills the worm, but the zombie can still be reanimated.

>Worms can also infest players.

>Players getting infested have to do a QTE to throw the worm off, or get melee'd by an allied player.

>If a player gets infested they die and become a zombie, which then attacks the players with whatever weapon they had equipped

>They have to pump a lot of lead into the Mama to make her explode.

>Exploding Mamas shower the area in worms, which reanimate a Horde one last time.

They'd be big enemies central to a fixed area, could be used as road blocks

i don't care and it doesn't matter what they do.

player autism ruins this style of game every time.

>>16734740

>Pick Deaf

>Turn on subtitles

>>16736057

Tell us a story anon

>>16733347

Variety in objectives is pretty much the only thing PD2 has going for it and even then half the maps are actually good. Waiting for a drill to finish while it breaks 15 times and you shoot enemies that have terrible feedback with no room to breath gets old fast.

I'd take L4D2 any day. You can also mod l4d2 to your heart's content.

>>16733365

Vermintide 1 is online only and vermintide 2 was made so soon after the first one (considering you can keep these games alive through updates for a long while) and it didn't really make many improvements unlike l4d1 to l4d2. Not to mention the optimization is shit. I do like the core gameplay of the games but everything surrounding them was shit.

>>16733389

Overkill had and still has no idea what they're doing. PD1 was successful by chance.

>>16733655

>L4D2 was the last uncucked Valve game

Consider that Left 4 Dead was the first Valve game to have sv_pure enabled by default, taking away the ability for players to customize their games in order to pave the way for customization to be done through microtransactions instead.

>>16736335

>Zombies are literally brainded

As opposed to zombies with working brains, then

>>16736335

>literally braindead

>literally

Stop using words you dont understand you braindead person.

>>16736360

>Are you niggers retarded or something?

No you. Stop using "literally" like some retarded sub 80iq american college student who puts it in every sentence.

>>16736335

<t. retard how can't enjoy the slower realism expert mode with friends and also like versus

>>16736372

Versus would be fun if the people playing it actually wanted to have fun instead of whatever the fuck they're doing.

Is Vermintide 2 any good?

>>16736372

Only a nigger would play something as dumb as l4d's singleplayer. Bet you enjoy CoD on easy too.

>>16736373

>Is Vermintide 2 any good?

no

>>16733315

>L4D

>Good game

>Good setting (night)

>Good balance

>Good game

>L4D2

<Bad Game

<Bad Settings (day)

<Bad Characters (cosmic fact, may as well be a scientific law)

<Bad Balance (holy fuck the new specials, the new items, the new everything)

<Bad Maps (holy fuck why do these exist)

<BLACKED.com

Killing Bill was the creators way of saying fuck you to fans as well as killing the original and it's legacy, say's alot that they added all of L4D1 into L4D2 with a new map (both of which were worse for ware with the new special balances and items).

I can't believe I have to mention this but Turtle Rock made fucking Evolve. L4D1 was literally a flash in the pan that they had no idea how to handle, and even if the L4D2 batting crew wants to die on that hill I'll be happy to remind them of the absolute fuck fest that was Evolve.

Trusting these people with anything is like trusting shovelware devs, and that's insulting because even shovelware devs still made Friday the 13th The Game when they put their minds to it.

>>16736373

It's fun if both teams go at it without any comp autists like 9b4314 who outright hate fun and you have a good back and forth with both teams having equal skill.

>>16736379

You are fooling nobody with your tryhard sperging

>>16736388

tryharding is the only way too go. Only retards play "to have fun". We get faggots like you in game nights all the time who start roleplaying in the middle of a game to distract from the fact that they suck ass.

>>16736392

Are you actually trying to imply that fruits like you do anything else than scream and yell if they don't get the tank?

>>16736373

>Is vermintide 2 any good

Yes.

>>16736383

>fighting zombies can only happen at night, the time of day when living humans are most at a disadvantage (?)

Also, mind explaining how the new items and specials are bad? They all added a lot to the game, especially melee weapons.

>>16736397

Who gives a rat's ass about tanks? And who actually screams in video games other than those casual noobs who would have lost anyway because they are gay at everything they do.

>>16736373

Vermintide 2 is good. And it will have a Versus mode in the future, ifyou are interesed.

>>16736410

>this "balance" seriousness with a casual zombie shooter that randomizes items, events and spawns

competitivefags are true autists, I'm glad I never took the game this seriously and enjoyed it

>>16736383

>Killing Bill

>>16734467

is there any good porn of rochelle? it just seems impossible to make her look even remotely attractive

>>16736563

100% they failed with balancing the new stuff. Honestly the whole thing felt rushed by comparison.

As a bracelet I still enjoy it. All the same would prefer balanced side grades.

>>16736563

>>16736566

Don't forget to post pictures of Nissan Skylines.

>>16736593

Filthy, dumb cuckchan scum.

>>16736593

>>16736630

Nice cuckchan meme. You made quite the wall of text and really put in effort to prove that casual zombie shooter 2 electric boogaloo is in fact imbalanced, I commend you. I mean holy shit anon, I've never met anyone who's a tourneyfag for this game to the point of treating it like esports. To me it was regular co-op fun, but turns out tryhard comp is its true aim it failed at.

Now for real, the thing you don't seem to grasp is the game gives you a limited array of weapons and equipment at a time, so sure you can prove they're not equal, but it's not most of the time you can opt for the superior versions as they might not be there. You're not presented with a loadout menu or armory where you can take whatever you want, then your numbers argument would really have weight. You take what the game gives you, and it may be the worse or the better. Adapt.

With your numbers, there's still a couple inconsistencies:

>Benelli vs SPAS

SPAS has tighter spread and slightly longer range so it's not that straightforward.

>P220 & Glock vs Dual Deagles

Dual Deagles straight up does not exist.

This of course is only a portion of the game, most of the game is the actual campaigns and their design. It's perfectly reasonable to assume the first game had the better end of the stick, but taking the extreme stance of "L4D is 10/10, L4D2 is 0/10 shit game" is hard to take seriously. But you're a tryhard so what can I do?

>>16736088

>PD1 was successful by chance

Payday 2 you mean. PD1 is a solid game, but 2 is when all the original developers started fucking off to do other things like WW2 Payday and scifi horror Payday.

>>16736563

>Shotguns

I've seen lots of people preferring SPAS because it's more accurate or something. I never really cared, because accuracy isn't what I look for in a shotgun.

>dual deagles

Nigger, no such thing, but they are still clearly better. Deagle autokills normal zombies on any difficulty, so its DPS is less relevant. It also enjoys better accuracy and no accuracy loss when incapacitated.

>>16736566

>nightstick is da best

Nightstick is kinda shit because of its narrow arc, so when you get mobbed by normal infected you're fucked either way, and against the tank you most likely won't get an occasion to just hold LMB down. Best are katana/machete, which have a normal arc and similar attack speed, followed by fire axe, which has a wide sweep.

>defibs

In campaign you can straight up ignore them, but in versus they create a risk vs reward situation, if they are found far away from the dead survivor. If they are found before any of the survivors died, then it's mediocre again, because it's just a spare life. The way the points are earned in versus is a bigger issue by itself.

>bile bombs

You are a shitter if you think they create more issues. If you get vomitted on, you can throw it anywhere and it takes much of the zombie attention away. Nobody gives a shit if it attracts more of them, because additional zombies are a small price to pay for all other zombies fucking off. No downside to using them during panic events and gauntlets, which, funnily enough, make them too strong and they should be removed regardless.

>Jockey

Jockeys have super fucking long cooldown on jumping if they down someone, long enough that they can only serve as a distraction or deal damage like a normal zombie. Before they can jump on someone, other specials are most likely dead and waiting for a respawn. If you drive someone off the edge or have your survivor taken over by some other special, though, it's really broken, since there's barely any cooldown and in certain spots you can pull survivors off the ledge again and again. At least it's not charger with "insta or kick" mentality…

>>16736677

If I remember correctly The Heist was moderately successful but Overkill was still in big trouble. Payday 2 was their all or nothing gamble and they really hit the jackpot with it.

I love PD1 but I've never even touched 2, every time I'd like to the massive amount of DLC and anons telling me about how shit the balance is(or the fact that this PvE game is focused on balance) is offputting.

>>16736689

>Got Payday 2 for free

>Play a few missions

>Look at how many more missions I'd have to do to get halfway-decent equipment

>Realize this is a Korean-style skinnerbox that's designed to get you to buy DLC if you want to make any progress

The balance is so bad it's hilarious. The amount of work the game expects of the player if they want to have fun without buying DLC is astounding to me.

>>16736694

I really hope GTFO doesn't follow the same shit. I've only had light reading on what Overkill/Starbreeze was doing and none of it seems remotely appealing, and I'd hope the fact that they've jumped ship barring the power-freak CEO would make for a better game.

Is it true that most of the basic PD2 missions are shit tier

>go to store

>drill store safe

>leave

and all of the more interesting, The Heist level of heists are DLCs?

>>16736335

Nigger the co-op campaign was L4D, PvP was only ok

>>16736700

After playing only a few missions that's what I knew it to be. With less sneaking options than I remember The Heist having. Payday 2 seems to not care about the initial sneaking part. Payday 2 wants you to put that mask on and go loud as soon as possible.

>>16736700

Yes, most of the intricate missions weren't put in until well after the initial release, and they charged a good 5 buck a pop for most if you wanted to host them.

>>16736710

>Payday 2 seems to not care abour stealth

I don't know, you're not wrong, but they really seemed to push the hell out of that shit near the end, with forced stealth levels like the standalone FBI level and the yacht, yet they never really added anything to it, so all those levels are mostly an exercise in frustration.

>>16736681

> notoriously hyper-greedy jews of 2K

well, rumour is they paid close to a million bucks for the IP when thq went bust so they really wanted to turn into e-sport shit for some reason - instead of milking the whales for pve and other stuff.

also didn't help that TRS was blabbing about dlc long before the game released.

shame tho, evolve wasn't that bad and could've been salvaged, but too little too late

gonna have to wait and see how much money they want depending what's in the game. paid 20 yurobucks for strange brigade deluxe and that's pretty much my sweetspot for coop only games.

>>16736708

>Nigger the co-op campaign was L4D, PvP was only ok

the campaign was utter trash and not better than any other generic fps like cod or battlefield. Every noob can finish it on the hardest difficulty. PVP is where it shines.

>>16736810

>Waaaah the campaign is too easy I need muh pvp

I bet you're the kind of literal nigger who'd shit themselves and scream for an admin to ban someone if they fucked up your SourceMod Faggotstats by getting tapped by a zombie

>>16736820

>SourceMod Faggotstats

who even plays on modded servers? Each one of you fags is gayer than the other.

Left 4 Dead 2 was the last good multiplayer game. It had free mods, you had official servers that you can join with mods on. No admins, no bans for swearing and calling others niggers, no dlc and no bullshit comeback mechanics. Honestly if you hate l4d's pvp there is something wrong with you.

>>16736831

If you actually liked the PvP you might be gay, it was the most boring part of the games

>>16736839

If you like a game mode that is soooo easy people have to mod it to make playable you are gay.

>>16736872

There is difference between using mods and joining a modded server. You never know what kind of gay shit will face you when joining a modded server. You can bet your ass that a admin will kick if you for racism if you join a community server. Wont happen on official servers.

>>>/v/16736563

Nice KYM image.

>>16736805

What makes it so good? Its still played by many people? Also, any other recommendation for similar games?

>>16736924

constant updates and improvements, pretty populated and random enough that it doesn't get old fast.

price is ok, no-brainer on sale

>>16736887

>modded servers are bad because I don’t like fun

>official servers don’t ban for racism

You’re either paid to post here or too stupid to post here.

>>16736952

>modded servers are bad because I don’t like fun

>official servers don’t ban for racism

You are a total nigger. You don't get banned from official servers no matter what you do. And there is not a single good server side mod. All the modded servers ever use are some bullshit mods to track stats, shared ban lists (that make no sense because nobody ever plays on those servers anyway) and some bright flashy lights that nobody cares about.

>>16737082

>just keeps making up lies

Nigger, I’m permanently banned from 100% Orange Juice because someone else playing was using a trainer to cheat. They’ll ban you for anything. You’re also blatantly ignoring all the companies that ban for “hate speech.” Get the fuck out.

>>16736805

I'll check it out the next time it goes on sale. I've had an eye on it for a while but I've had other games to play.

>>16737273

It had to have been an automated ban that looked at statistical data. The trainer allowed manipulation of even online data to give characters stars for free. I joined a random lobby that wasn’t full, played a while (thought it was fun to have hundreds of stars lost every battle/event and that it was just a race to see who got 5 home trips first), and woke up to a VAC ban the next day.

>>16734287

>California

Wasting all that water will probably be the only thing that sticks.

>>16737205

>>16737282

>Nigger, I’m permanently banned from 100% Orange Juice because someone else playing was using a trainer to cheat.

If you got VAC banned it was your own fault. You don't get banned because someone else was using a trainer, that's not how VAC works.

>You’re also blatantly ignoring all the companies that ban for “hate speech.”

Yes, that's modern games. In Left 4 Dead 2 you don't get banned for that kind of stuff. I am not making up anything, you just don't know what you're talking about. You'll only get VAC banned if you use some kind of software that reads and changes in game memory, and sometimes reading doesn't get you banned either. I forgot to close down cheat engine a few times after hooking it up to Valve games and didn't got banned yet.

Valve is actually very tolerant when it comes to cheats. If you download a mod that turns all walls transparent it wont get you banned because you just replace in game files.

>>16737393

>If you got VAC banned it was your own fault. You don't get banned because someone else was using a trainer, that's not how VAC works.

t.steamdrone

>>16736796

You can really tell who doesn't like Blood Harvest and has blocked it from memory.

>>16737406

>steamdrone

I don't even play recent valve games… But out of all options VAC is still the best. It does not ban you based on reports, it does not ban you for performing above average, it only bans if you if you get caught using well known cheats. VAC is basically "innocent until proven guilty". Valve let's a few cheaters get unpunished in order to make sure that no one innocent get's banned. How is that bad? Do you prefer the EA way where they ban people from battlefield when they play "too good"? Sometimes people get lucky and manage to get suspicious looking scores like 20-0. Imagine how badly it would suck if you just do really well but then get banned because of that score.

>>16737393

>If you got VAC banned it was your own fault.

lol k

>Yes, that's modern games.

Thanks for admitting you’ve been lying the entire time. Shut the fuck up and go the fuck away.

>>16737205

>100% Orange Juice

not only do you have shit taste and are an anime brainrot stricken nigger, but you're seriously trying for the "i-i-it was my nephew cheating, not me!!!" excuse on a partially anonymous vell-os basket-weaving forum. lmaoing at your life

Yeah but would you fuck the witch?

>>16734847

That guys nostrils are fucking gargantuan

>>16737979

Damn right I would.

>>16737996

>revived a vac due to joining a modded MW1/2 lobby

You got a source on that? I mean you probably have but you refused to post it because you are a stupid nigger. Pretty sure you just googled "false vac ban" or something bullshit like that and then posted the first result. I seriously doubt this would get you banned because that's not the way VAC works.

>>16739079

not the VAC system(to my knowledge), but official bans in official systems can be like that sometimes

for example dark souls anticheat checks for modified character data, which can ABSOLUTELY happen to you in online matchmaking because of a malicious script kiddie

so its pertinent to keep backups of your saves to fall back onto if any of your data gets altered

>>16733570

Turtle Rock has proven, three times in a row, with L4D1 & 2 Versus, and Evolve, that they cannot balance a game for competition. They are literally incapable.

>>16735358

>American cities generally have "don't be a hero" fucking ingraned into their very being

Yeah, because of niggers.

>>16740391

And antigun laws.

>>16740381

>they cannot balance a game for competition

they can, evolve was somewhat ok, main problem was

- some heroes/monsters were outright shit in certain combinations or in itself, because of shit concept mainly (the last healer(?) was completely fucked if you had to move a lot).

problem is you can't balance for every combination, so it comes down to picking the right tool (char) for the the job. but due to matchmaking only and the way selection worked you could end up with an absolute shit random group with the wrong monster on top which either meant your group or the monster gets facefucked. and that's not fun for anyone.

- trying to balance for the low and high end. the stuff shitters complained about was a non-issue for good players so it was a constant back and forth trying to appease both demographics. the focus on shitty e-sports made it even worse, instead of a more casual approach (one way to fix it would simply have lobbies so ppl play several games together instead of turning every match into "you + some mooks trying to win for MUH PROGRESSION"). a community able to organize and coordinate itself will always be the better community which will in turn improve the game.

>>16733325

Literally just take Saxton Hale mode from TF2 and turn it into its own game.

>>16740369

That's exactly one of the points I have maid. Other anti cheats can ban you for all kinds of shit, but VAC doesn't work like that.

>>16733315

I want to see no fucking nigger characters. Worst part of 2 is the sheboon.

>>16741042

Fuck matchmaking systems as the ONLY tool.

I will not buy shit without player controlled servers.

Rip QC

>>16742349

>L4D

>characters

I genuinely wouldn't give a shit if there was one. The characters in the game have 2D personalities at best. I doubt it would reflect the gameplay if the devs weren't retarded.

>>16742349

Coach was pure and noble soul you foul wretch! How doesn't want Uncle Phil watching their back in the zambambo apocalypse?

>>16742419

FUWTBAWL!

>>16750572

>L4D2 has in a poetic sense, been left for dead by Valve.

Oh my god, how true it is. Game is still played obviously, and for a bunch of dollars its good to get it (7-8 is too much, im obviously referring to when its at sale or free), and can give you hours of fun, but its old as fuck, will never be updated, Source engine on the game have aged like milk, and most players are either rushing at sonic speed or being dumb and never use the chat to communicate.

The game have literally become in what it is about, a zombie game, alive (And not precisely bad) but not so, and it stinks.

>>16742349

/thread

>>16756915

Yeah, and then they unceremoniously just stopped with the big updates and since then all it's been is Linux performance, exploit patches (only patches for the kind of exploits that'd allow people to get your stream user info) and Steam big picture updates.

> people complaining about Valve abandoning their game

Be careful what you wish for.

>>16737205

I didn't even realize 100% OJ had VAC, that's hilarious

>>16734713

L4D2 has both mods and official support that add all the content of L4D1, including a purist mode for L4D1, so it's kind of a moot point. I think most L4D1 maps have spookier atmosphere, but L4D2 does more interesting things with lighting and whatnot. Hard Rain is a really fun campaign because the intensity of the rain ramps up with the intensity of the level.

>>16757442

>Left 4 Dead 2 was worse than the 1st

Well, I mean now you can just kill yourself and never post again since you clearly don't have any kind of brain capacity.

>>16733325

Sounds like something you'd need to dump a lot of marketing budget on to get even a chance at succeeding.

>>16733315

>maybe have the option for a player to be the director and pick which routes are locked and where hordes spawn in real time for some real dynamism.

I hate the 4v1 gimmick. The new RE game is going to be awful because of that.

>>16733315

Turtle Rock are scammers that want games to be full of DLC from day one. They also made Evolve. Never give them money.

>>16733368

This.

:10:40

>>16764422

>I hate the 4v1 gimmick

then make it like zombie master

>>16733315

>So Turtle Rock is making Left 4 Dead 3 under a different name because Valve gonna Valve. The question of course is what do they add to mix up the formula again.

The actually good Turtle Rock devs stayed at Valve, though. The remaining guys went on to make Evolve.

The talent isn't in the studio anymore.

>>16764582

> that want games to be full of DLC from day one

that's more 2k

>>16764609

>The actually good Turtle Rock devs stayed at Valve

considering 2 was worse than 1 that's debatable.