/v/ - Video Games

Forgot to note; even if you're not roleplaying you're still expected to follow RP guidelines on the wiki so you're not pissing people off, i.e. banging on the Turtle Hermit's door going "AYYY TURTLE NIGGA TEACH ME MEME BEAMS"

>>16727632

chads confirmed for going to HFIL

>>16733988

How the actual fuck is this possible. Theres no other way of getting admin other than hostkeys in the server files and an admin appointing a person

>>16734053

Bodychange bug iirc

>>16734078

Oh yeah, it changes ckeys too doesn’t it? We need to fix it soon, otherwise we should remove the skill before it gets nigged

I can’t believe Flynn is the reincarnation of Ruford

Flynn here, don't worry all admin power jacking off is done on a alt test file.

Is the server down?

>>16735328

Never mind, turned out to be issues on my end

>>16735660

We accidentally turned the game into a korean MMO

minus an m

http://poal.me/h58a2f

Vote here on how we should best re-balance Eight Gates

>>16735840

holy fuk just absolutely devastate the nigger's ki skill if he decides to open a fucking tonketsu and let ALL of his ki run fucking wild

>>16735840

I mentioned this earlier while I was there, but the way you balance gates is:

1) Gates move the the aura slot and reduce ki to 100% if above, making them mutually exclusive with power up

2) Gates damage you as a cost for how strong they are

3) You cannot learn higher gates until you completely master the lower levels. Probably need to reduce the time for each level to compensate

This should address the big issues with them

Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z

>>16737314

Well he was a kid then which is the worst fucking excuse since Goku's a manchild

>>16738297

I would if I could log in I think we're stuck waiting for Nev to reboot the server manually

>>16738313

Never mind I spoke too soon

>>16738431

Everything is fine.

There is nothing to worry about.

Nothing at all.

Legendary Level 5 Scotsman leaves the server, everything breaks. Here's why I should keep being a admin.

>>16739659

Try pressing R?

>>16739958

but no his faulte`

>>16739958

I’m not stepping down from a position just for expecting an admin command to work properly. Someone brought up the multitude of infinitely spawning spacepods on Vegeta. Any person in my position would use the Delete All of Type command.

As for fixing this, there’s very little I can do on my end. I can hardly load my character let alone use commands now. We need Nev to manually reboot the server since he’s hosting it.

>>16739995

That was before this fiasco.

over when this hapen at time

>>16738238

totali not faulte` now becazu the pods not get delet agan

I was just about to join. I like this run so far, the bugs are fun.

>>16740030

Wait, so the original lag went away but something else happened? I’m guessing it has something to do with the boats on the Arconia Harbor based on >>16739940

>>16740033

si

>>16740035

Alright, so the problem’s definitely from deleting over 60 objects of the same type at once as if that wasn’t obvious already. Once the server’s rebooted, we’ll have to delete each pod/boat at their storage location on Vegeta/Arconia one at a time. We’ll also need to edit the code with those specific objects so they don’t spawn more copies on a reboot as well as see if we can reduce the lag from the objects being deleted at once.

To clarify, the boats at the Arconia Harbor and the pods at the Vegeta Spaceport are all variants of the original code for Boats and Spacepods. They were supposed to be versions that I could place on the map and they wouldn’t spawn more than once. They are labeled “Boat_Placed” and “Spacepod_Placed.” However, it appears that the code didn’t work and they spawn more copies on reboot anyway.

>>16740061

Yeah, deleting objects is one of the worst things we can do when it comes to cpu usage, it absolutely kills the serb. I find it strange that those objects keep getting multiplied, I wonder if it's something to do with how they have a variable change when used, which makes the game think the original is missing. We probably just need to do something else to make those limited boats and the like that doesn't involve actively changing the spawner itself. Maybe we can create a master list of the spawned items, and have the clickable check against that to see if it should spawn. It's far more tedious, but it would avoid ever changing any variables on the map object that way.

>>16740133

The boats on Arconia exist purely because of Arconia’s design. Arconia is designed as a planet with many islands surrounded by a massive body of water. I planned to expand the map further to turn Arconia into a seafaring centric planet similar to the map in Wind Waker. Because it takes a bit to be able to create boats and swimming everywhere takes a long tome to grind, the boats and harbor were added to the planet to ease traversing in early portions of wipes.

Does anyone have the files for custom blast icons and the like?

>>16742875

I just posted my .zip of custom blasts and whatnot to the vola

>>16740671

Write your own compiler what are you some kind of nigger?

LOCAL SCOTSMAN WITH AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX IS GONNA TAKE OVER EARTH TO SHOW Y'ALL HOW BIG HIS COCK IS, YOU GOT 10 MINUTES UNTIL IT IS HIS BY SQUATTERS RIGHTS

I've figured out that forcefields are indestructable

please advise

>>16743965

punch harder

>>16743975

>>16743968

Punching no work.

I stupid. Cannot break field with ki nor punchening

>>16744134

If your wish is to have your dick ripped off then yes

>>16744850

It's open source, the main two devs are people who haven't been working with Byondcode for awhile.

Why not make a fork from https://gitgud.io/dankus10/Finale and put a few changes in?

>>16744955

Dragonball climax 2 when?

>>16745219

When jojo part 11 comes out.

R.I.P server

I'll try rewriting the code a bit when I am free later, see if I can fix shit up a bit. Unfortunately I have some obligations on Wednesdays. Keep in mind this isn't a game killer problem anyway, it just means shit stops for 20-60 sec every 30 minutes. Not end of the world, just not ideal

>>16745953

Nev here, I'm not going to have much time to code at least for this week. However, I think this feedback about the ki system misses the point. Sure, I can and probably will tone back the gains, but that's not the real problem. Hell, I can make it so you only get gains if you hit someone. Still won't matter. The problem is the people playing, and this has been borne out in every damn wipe since we started in DU. You don't need me to force interaction to make people do things, because it doesn't matter what I do. I can make sparring the only way to gain, people will just slapfight forever then. I can make everything hardcapped, and people will just autism grind till they cap then stop playing until caps raise, because they can't grind. I can make it so you can always technically progress, and people will grind forever. Until people actually intend to play with others, of course they're going to grind forever. That's why they're playing. I could strip out every mechanic and replace them with a Dragonball you click for gains, and people will still fucking do that and complain about no RP. The point of this rant is that, as long as there is a system of progression, autists are going to do nothing but grind. Take out the progression, and you might as well just RP on some forums or something. The only way people are going to do anything other than grind is if they decide they WANT to do something else. Clown's comment there shows the problem best: "why start shit if it doesn't actually make you stronger?" The answer is because it should be more fun than watching your cookie clicker counter go up forever, and if it's not, then why do you care? Grind away.

>>16745953

>fighting with ki

You faggots know this was already confirmed to be a goal and not a feature right? Fucking chill out.

>>16746067

Now that you've invoked the name of the beast, can we get an actual cookie to click on?

>>16746086

You can basically think of the game as pre alpha, features will come with time

>>16746067

There's more. I understand that modifying mechanics in the game to force people to play together isn't going to help anything, but modifying it so that people must spend all of their time grinding their skills in order to keep up or at least make out ahead with the skillpoints– plus the fact that none of the mind branch can be forgotten– puts pressure on the players to do anything BUT circlejerk or AFK grind their ki all day.

I have a suggestion for a middle-ground if you're willing to hear it.

>>16746067

Why not remove BP and come up with an entirely new progression system that's not based on running a treadmill to increment an arbitrary power number?

>>16746097

>but modifying it so that people must spend all of their time grinding their skills in order to keep up or at least make out ahead with the skillpoints– plus the fact that none of the mind branch can be forgotten– puts pressure on the players to do anything BUT circlejerk or AFK grind their ki all day.

Lolno.

People have been already doing AFK circlejerk grind by beaming into the distance. AFK training is basically already a abstract grind.

>>16746101

Speculative answer: it's tradition

Dragon Ball Z games have always been about how high your xp goes, with xp being the prominent value.

>>16746106

Just to clarify I say xp cause the value name differs from translation choice. Powerlevel is the weeb preference. Also Finale changes this up somewhat with heavy emphasis on stats instead though sufficient bp diff makes you pulp faggots anyway

>>16746097

Sure, if you have a solution I'm happy to hear it.

>>16746101

All progression systems are running a treadmill to increase an arbitrary power number. You can play with the speed of the treadmill, the distance you run, the number of treadmills, and so on, but it's always running a treadmill.

>>16746131

King's already on and suggested this

>while sparring, I was thinking about making it so that your Ki gains are fucking increased immensely, at the price of other traditional options being nerfed to shit

I suggest these three options be put in together.

>Allow the stats that are behind a branch to be immediately handed out to the buyer, but lock away the 100% stat boost still.

>Let all masteries, no matter if they are learned or not, to be able to be leeched off a player that you're sparring. By ki, or by fist.

>Lock the active skills that are granted by masteries away as per norm, but only activate if the branch behind it is bought.

If a combination of all four is possible it'd be molto beni :DD

>>16746131

>All progression systems are running a treadmill to increase an arbitrary power number. You can play with the speed of the treadmill, the distance you run, the number of treadmills, and so on, but it's always running a treadmill.

There are ways to kill the treadmill or at least make it not eternal. The problem is having training verbs of any flavor means you immediately gravitate to the eternal grind being the only way.

>>16746161

As it is codewise the "treadmill" is used to activate phases of the game where everyone becomes much stronger and progress much faster, and forms are also locked behind xp values. Mostly to be consistent with DBZ lore I think

>>16746131

Also Soathe's suggestion for a "Teach other" verb for singular people to be able to impart skills to another.

>>16746176

Change that progression to be based on real-time, then. Nobody can make that go any faster, unless the admins change the timescale, but then it'll still be fair for everyone.

Besides, why should DBZ lore dictate everything? That just means everyone follows the generic "Frieza clone fucks everything up until Saiyans go super, and then Cell clone fucks everything up until Saiyans go superer" and so on. Fuck that.

>>16746203

That's just hardcaps again, except they save the step of admins manually increasing them. Which again, means no one plays since they have no control over their gains

Honestly all this focus on rp just results in another game lost in the sea of BYOND games

Once upon a time it was the opposite where grinding and fighting was the typical gameplay choice emphasizing fun with rp being more meaningful because people chose to out of fun not because they felt like they'd plateaued until niggers caught up

This constant back and forth struggle to seemingly curb player fun to force them to do something seems wholly counterintuitive

>>16746255

I've been saying that forever. The fun of the early DU wipes was coming up with over the top bullshit to flavor the fightan and grindan. We can make fightan fun, we can make things to grind, but we're not gonna be able to code in forced RP. While there certainly needs to be better balance to ki and gains, it's not going to shift people from grinding forever if beaming someone in the face becomes the new way to do it. People will just suicide and beam each other eternally in AL instead.

>>16746255

Having people interact is what we're hoping happens. Fighting should be emphasized, grindan should be nerfed. RP can come AFTER the fightan's good.

>>16746285

You can't appease both sides without fucking over one. Even Tens, in all his retardation, knew he couldn't make DU work for both RP and PvP, so he focused on the one that gave him more money. Focus on PvP, you'll get PvP. Focus on RP, you'll get RP. You can't just hope that players will want to RP when you've set up an incremental gains/skill system that promotes training/sparring forever.

>>16746295

When you have no players left because you tried to tell them what they want ala Blizzard will you start saying "I don't want that and neither do you, you think you do but you don't"?

>>16746314

Kissera.

I know I know you from somewhere, I'm sure of it. Was it the furry inflation ERP SS13 server that one time? I mean I don't usually remember these things but you really stand out to me.

I'm not the dork you should be calling Blizzard-kike either,

>>16746328

I don't know what you do in your spare time mate but I have never been to an erp or furry server, though you seem really familiar with those kind of servers. Regardless trying to cut me down doesn't change the fact that you're never gonna succeed. Insult me all you like shits so failing.

>>16746354

Alright bud, see ya' on the FNAF server. I'll be the same Foxxy as last time ;^)

>>16746359

You know you're right I am suddenly too busy to help this fucking game.

>>16746381

The most appropriate approach is as always to have multiple server types, one for pvp one for rp and optional one to focus on pve .. regardless each server can focus on a diff approach so meritocracy and player choice is king

>>16746381

There's two servers that already cover both approaches.

There's Tens's DU for pvp only.

And there's RPT for RP only.

An analog server for us would make us mimic either or. And I hate RPT with a passion.

I agree wholeheartedly that obfuscation behind the skill names and the like should be lifted entirely. Though all the info is actually in the .git anyway.

>>16746402

Take it from me, RPT isn't the bastion of RP everyone makes it out to be. It's even worse for powergamers and metafaggotry than you can imagine.

>>16746381

I think RP will come anyways as long as it's encouraged by the players, I'd be more worried about making sure the game itself is fun, as shit as DU was I had fun RPing anyways.

>>16747384

WHAT DID YOU DO CHAD?

>>16747410

Ouch!

>Planet Destroy is in Strength tree

Is it like this?

>>16747698

I'm getting this too. I bought some ki skill and now it bombards me with the messages every time I open the Learn menu

>>16750194

GODDAMN IT I JUST GOT BACK AND YOU'VE ALREADY FUCKED IT UP

http://poal.me/4z2oed

>>16751235

>Should Climax go public? Not the server, but the actual game pager. This means you'll be able to actually see the game's page, but others will too. One reason for this is to attract more codefags to the repo.

This will not mean the server will be public.

So there won’t be a public server, but the repo will be available for people to view and download? Is that right?

>>16751373

Yes

>>16751854

*insert belated monstergirl joke here*

>>16757156

WHERE I need muh gains

>>16758066

with my stand [Eye of Autism] I can tell you that it's on the big gete star

>>16759701

FREE

SEGS

LOCAL DIOZAMASU IS SUCH A NINGEN LOCAL GODDESS OF DEATH WAKES UP MORE NEWS AT 10

>>16744955

>I don't know why it is that Tens felt the need to save every single variable for a race to the character,

This predates Tens by a long, long time. Amateur hour actual child coders from 2004, most likely.

>but even in another language this would be seen as both needless and excessive. At some point someone should have pointed out the virtue of having an array of races that you could easily look up the value of something with a quick index call.

A majority of stats are localized to the mob because they are subject to modification. Racial gains modifiers and tweaks (like zanzo costs) are mostly legacy content, but in principle and for those specifically, I agree with your solution.

>Fixing this kind of thing means basically more than just a fork, it means rewriting the fundamentals of how the game is run.

No, very no, you can just go into modules/races/racestats, refactor each of the "stat[race].dm" files into datums or some multi-layered list structure, and make a few helper procs to cleanly retrieve a specific variables' value and use it in relevant ways. The datum-making could be done with a mildly sophisticated regex, if you wanted. Be creative.

Ganbare, anon.

>>16751235

Wait, the gitgud database wasn't publicly listed? I've been wondering why no one seemed to be hopping on.

MY TI- TI- TI- TI- TIME SKIP-P-P-P IS UNBEATAB-

We've encountered an error

Joking aside, Climax has gotten a bunch of updates in the meanwhile.

Short summary:

- Combat update somewhat finished. Will be considered done after Body has sufficient attacks and it's just bugfixing to do.

- Dungeons

- More shit that breaks saves I mean some work done on Gates, new Gate exclusive attacks, and the Hamon tree has been fleshed out some more.

In the future:

- Various trees relating to Body will be reworked. Consider Ki in it's final stage for 1.0

- Anger rework soon.

- Racials right afterwards, Legendaries will be diversified into two 'types'. (Super-Type, large anger but you lose a form.) (Z-type, way it is now, but with less anger.) Icers given the proper form treatment they deserve, Herans actually given masteries and shit (and possibly a third/fourth form. May end up losing their ascension for higher transformation mults.) etc, etc with other races. Bodyswap and Shapeshifter will be reworked.

For codefags coming in, quick advice

Any changes to variable definitions is subject to fuckery.

What do I mean?

>go into mobvars.dm

>compile real quick, make a save in testing server

>add a variable, and remove another

>roll dice on save being fucked

A new branch will be added soon. Use it for any changes that'd fuck over existing characters. Adding variables does not fuck characters, just changing/removing them.

This will probably be changed, as savefiles are flawed as fuck, but I dunno how to make another format for saves that includes object information and icon information. Every other variable can be put into a plaintext .json file, but past that it gets fucky.

New Wipe now

Testing hardcap: current hardcap is 2500

>>16725549

what if hes roleplaying an annoying nigger with an afro and consistently stays in character

FUCK, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

>>16773569

Look on the bright side, you accidentally created a Yumi Nikki clone.

>>16776134

Magic isn't balanced yet.

If you stuff enough mana in a circle, you can and might create a long lasting poison that insta-kills everyone without a reasonable end

On the bright side, if you somehow fuckup the ritual, all that energy will be going into fucking up reality around you in explosions and shit

>>16776153

I think 24 x 22 (width by height)

IS IT STILL UP?

More like dragon blueballed because where's the adventure

http://poal.me/70prf

>>16778553

Everyone's houses vanished again, except this time it was the tiles instead of the items.

Any icon tutorials? I wanna make shitty pizza boxes and PS2s.

>>16780611

Well, theres two ways of going about it kinda

1. download BYOND, it comes with its editor.

2. Find a dmi file or, explore the main BYOND interface for Dream Maker.

3. Make a new DMI file, or edit the DMI file to what you want.

3a. Some people will use tweakPNG in conjunction with gimp to keep the DMI data (DMIs are just PNGs with metadata). Useful for aura fuckery.

3b. If you snoop around ss13, they may have custom icon editors, I don'tknow.

3c. When making mob icons (for you or whatever), it's recommended to use a base. DMIs have Icon States, which are like definitions to their spritesheets. If the string isn't right, then your icon will have no animations that can be used by the game.

3d. If you're making clothes, same deal. Internally, overlays will always try to match icon states with their owner.

4. You can go to the Iconshare for some DMIs to download. (it's in the BYOND pager.)

welp time to join in again and enjoy the shitfest.

>inject 3 insta-death

>nothing

How long does it take?

>can't get back on the serb

>>16781936

I'll fucking stop now, I'm sorry, I'll unlearn it or keep that shit only for mobs.

THE WOLF IS BACK ON THE PROWL. AROO READY FOR THE WOLF ?!

>>16786364

oops. the IP is 68.106.2.144:52881

current issues: stagger is too much or inconsistent, teleporting is too sudden without warning. Knockback can be silly sometimes. Hotkeys cause attacking and blocking to behave weirdly.

>>16786317

THE LEGENDARY WOLF IS THE FIRST TO ATTAIN TRUE POWER ! DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE ELSE THAN THE FUTURE QUEEN OF VEGETA SHOU !

SHOU IS NOW TRUE QUEEN OF VEGETA. GET HYPED.

THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM YOUR QUEEN SHOU FOR EVERY SAIYANS: IF YOU SEE ANY ANDROID WITH MORE THAN A BILLION BP. GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL CAUSE YOU WILL DIE.

Also melee skills are broken. I can't suplex anything now.

>>16788042

I can still dislocate you jaw you skeletor expy.

> Melee is absolutely broken, the bug about being combat ready is still in.

SHOU'S WILL IS ABSOLUTELY BROKEN

Also I think that the hamon levels are fucked too.

Y'all looking like Bethesda right now with all of these bugs.

When you lose a limb, there's a chance that your equipment stats will be permanently lowered (into negatives) by the values of what you had equipped to that limb. I'm not even going to try playing until that's fixed, and even then all gimped characters are presumably permanently gimped because the admin edit command is buggy garbage that wrecks the game when it's used.

>>16788708

Oh, forgot Nev's test server for Double Dose

Server: byond://74.91.112.32:9292

Repo: https://gitgud.io/Nevistus/Finale

How many players you fags got?

>>16788723

10 on peak (fridays), 5-7 other peaks, usually 4.

>>16788708

Hyper Bomb still fucks up melee skills

>>16788886

*power slam

Bongo you're a bitch, let me wish for panties damnit.

The Legendary Level 5 finally comes back, everything breaks even more somehow…

THIS IS THE QUEEN SHOU AND I'M HERE TO MAKE A FUCKING ANOUNCEMENT HACAIVEC IS A BITCH ASS MOTHERFUCKER WHO KILLED ME. YOU HEARD THAT HE KILLED ME ! THIS SNIVELY LITTLE FUCK USED FUSION. A CHEAP TACTIC TO MAKE WEAK SAIYANS STRONGER TO FIGHT ME, I NEARLY KICKED HIS ASS EVEN WHILE HE WAS A SUPER SAIYAN 3. FUCK THIS PUNK.

Is anyone else having trouble connecting and staying connected?

>>16802221

Whenever the map saves, something is causing the process to take 15 or more minutes to complete, during which nobody can do anything and nobody can connect to the server.

>>16802635

After watching it happen, it seemed like the delay was specifically between "Items saved (1474 items)" and "Map Saved (10725)". So maybe it's not the clones? I have no idea.

>>16802673

Saved mobs is supposed to be 0 and not 119 or anything similar, so it probably is the clones.

Seems that trying to delete the devil clone army leads to a server crash, so I think that proves it. Still though, we probably need to wipe very soon since shit's become lag central.

To help make up for destroying reality with my cloning experiments, I've been working on debugging the related code. I think I should be able to fix both the "mindswap doesn't work" problem and the "infinite self-replicating clones" problem, along with a couple other minor issues.

I tried to get Stretchy Arms working. A bunch of debugging later, I identified two problems:

In /Code/Grabbing.dm the combined if statements that are checked before calling stretch_arms(target) are causing some sort of glitch and need to be split up into several separate if statements to function.

And in /Code/Modules/Skills/Skill Trees/Race Trees/namekian.dm, stretch_arms() creates the namek_arm object but never sets its location so it ends up stuck in limbo.

After I fixed both of those problems, I was able to ranged grab a mob successfully. However, the arm graphics never appeared, and remotely grabbing a mob caused tons of lag. I have no idea how to fix those problems (which are arguably worse than the skill simply not working), so all I can think to do is report my findings here and call it a day.

>>16805768

Most likely, object creation and deletion, along with any constant updating will fill the scheduler and cause lag.

>>16802635

Clones definitely do it. Mobs take forever to save.

Also, Sifters are a contributor to it. I made the upgrade costs fucking low. Please, for the love of god, spend mana to upgrade them instead of shoving a hundred to a room or else I'll make them delete themselves after a global limit is reached. Per fucking client, per world. Auto deletion. The works.