ab2499 No.16720773
If I liked Gothic 1, 2 and even 3 are risen 2 and 3 worth playing or is Risen 1 the only one that's somewhat enjoyable?
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dd2611 No.16720788
all pb games are shit sandwiches so you probably enjoy shoveling mass amounts of turds in your mouth meaning you'll enjoy the risen games
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8b8e44 No.16720796
>>16720773
If you liked Gothic 1 you will like Elex. The game has same premise, three factions with different ideologies, non-linear quests.
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123699 No.16720816
>>16720796
I really like gothic 1 and I don't like Elex. I never thought I'd say this about any game but I wish Elex had the Gothic 1 controls and animations. Every movement feels so bad I can't bear to play it.
Risen 1 is nice though
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026555 No.16720833
>>16720773
>are risen 2 and 3 worth playing
I didn't like the pirate theme at all. Felt out of place. Risen 1 was such a return to form, then they had to fuck it up.
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831507 No.16720843
I've never played Risen, but nobody I know who likes Gothic likes R2 or R3.
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c8c4d6 No.16720847
Risen 1 was good. 2 and 3 were hyperconsolized garbage with nothing in common with Risen 1. Not the gameplay, not the setting, not the feel and atmosphere of the game, and not the protagonist. Technically the protagonist is the same, except he looks, sounds or acts nothing like he did. I was actually surprised when he started talking about things that happened in the first game because I genuinely thought he was a new character. Did you like exploring the world in Risen 1? Delving into the dungeons and climbing on houses or other things? Using fancy magic like levitation? Well, none of that is in the sequels. Traps in dungeons are now QTEs. And like someone said, the pirate theme is horribly out of place. There were pirates in the first game, as it took place partially in a harbour town, but it was never pirate themed and the protagonist certainly never looked or behaved like one.
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49ef03 No.16720861
>>16720788
Get out with your shitty dub, Mr. Anglosphere.
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49ef03 No.16720862
>>16720796
Elex is EU financed holocaust and degeneracy propaganda.
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8b8e44 No.16720864
>>16720816
>I wish Elex had the Gothic 1 controls
That's like wishing skyrim had morrowind's hit and miss system.
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0b1f73 No.16720876
>>16720816
>>16720864
Melee felt trash in Elex but I enjoyed magic and ranged builds.
At least Gothic 1 didn't feel like you were playing the game in low gravity on 0.8 speed.
>>16720843
>nobody I know who likes Gothic likes R2 or R3.
'Like' is a strong word, R2 is definitely the worst PB game. R3 is better in most ways but doesn't say much.
I'd probably suggest to someone that has liked all of their other games to play both R2 and R3 but to go into them with lowered expectations.
>>16720847
R2 protagonist still has the relic used by Mendoza from the first game. Though maybe that was just if you went with the magic faction. Guess that's canon unless the bandit faction also makes you equip that.
R3 is a new protagonist entirely.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your critique of the games. In R3's defense the pirate theme isn't as much 'in your face'.
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c8c4d6 No.16720914
>>16720876
>R2 protagonist still has the relic used by Mendoza from the first game.
Yeah, that's why it's so confusing. You have a character that looks, acts and sounds nothing like he did in the last game, yet he talks about events from it. I couldn't tell if they were trying to establish a confusing backstory for a new character because the possibility that he could be the same person didn't even occur to me at first.
>R3 is a new protagonist entirely.
I didn't remember that. I only played a few hours of 2 and 3 though. Unless they clearly specify that he's a different character, I likely just assumed that he got the Risen 2 treatment and couldn't be recognized.
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0b1f73 No.16720922
>>16720914
You play as Patty's brother/Steelbeards son in R3.
Yeah the art direction switch was jarring, but to be fair character models in R1 were the worst out of any game, including G3.
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0b1f73 No.16720928
>>16720914
>>16720922
Also the character himself (between 1 and 2) changed a lot. In R1 he didn't have much of a personality at all, most blank slate out of any PB game, then in 2 and 3 they gave the MC almost a bit too much of a personality. G1 and G2 found the perfect balance in my opinion. Elex didn't do too bad in that regard either.
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dd2611 No.16721069
>>16720861
this is what i mean. autistic german faggots are literally incapable of being objective about pb. pb is the bethesda of german vidya. they are about 20 years past their prime yet for some reason germans all want to pretend like pb still makes quality games. it's okay when germany does it though! it's illegal for gercuck square heads to wave their own flag so they channel their retard nationalistic yurop destroying autism into a shitty video game company. they are psychologically incapable of critizing pb because pb is more than a studio, it's the soul of germany. it's sad and annoying
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e4374e No.16721114
>>16720862
Really? Please tell is more, spoiler if needed too.
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3d19c9 No.16722205
>>16721069
>the soul of germany.
Lies, the soul of germany is solely infused into Farming and other Work Simulators.
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8c28ff No.16722243
Like every other PB game, the combat is dog shit but the atmosphere is top notch. So, your enjoyment lies in whether or not you can stand 60+ hours of truly atrocious combat for a comfy as fuck game world.
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5f7570 No.16722287
Every PB game is pretty much the same except for minor annoyances or quality of life improvements, so yes.
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cee2aa No.16722462
>>16720788
A truer post you will not find.
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530c5a No.16722685
every time I try to play risen i end up losing interest when without spoilers you go to that place everyone is afraid of for reasons.. I get past it and it seems like the game is really about to begin but it just fucking loses me every time.
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1f3dd5 No.16722710
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1f3dd5 No.16722719
Also, if you like Gothic 1+2, I hugely recommend you play Witcher series and Kingdom Come, they are very inspired by Gothic.
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1b4023 No.16723187
>>16721069
Then why does Poland love PB games too?
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1f3dd5 No.16723195
>>16723187
It's just retarded ameriniggers.
I prefer Gothic-style games over bland ass shit like TES.
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b7109d No.16723330
Risen 1-2 feel like gothic, but its like playing gothic for the 10th time. More like reskin than a new game. Risen 3 is like generic fantasy 3rd person game. Does not feel like gothic. Pick side, take quests, finish quests, pick new quests, something happens, game ends. They never improved upon gothic12.
>>16722719
Witcher is not really like gothic. Gothic is closer to morrowind than to any other game. Both are weird but believable.
Witcher is about going on adventure, gothic and morrowind is about being thrown into weird foreign land.
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1f3dd5 No.16723397
>>16723330
All Witcher, Gothic and Morrowind are about being thrown into foreign land.
Witcher, Gothic are about hunting, cooking, crafting, developing your skills.
Morrowind is just random exploration.
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3d19c9 No.16723580
>>16723397
>Morrowind is just random exploration.
While exploration might be the main draw it also has hunting crafting. But do tell how it is not about developing your skills, beause that's all you do in order to break the game and have fun.
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1f3dd5 No.16723617
>>16723580
Well, Gothic and Witcher are more survival since resources are more scarce in those games than Morrowind.
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123699 No.16723619
>>16720864
I just wanted to illustrate how bad Elex felt to me. Even the Gothic 3 movement felt better (and I remember someone describing the og G3 combat as "swinging a moist towel at a cactus")
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e5ae28 No.16723627
I was surprised by how much I ended up liking Elex, the ultra autistic player character was great.
Also it's easier to get Varg to recognize americans as white than it was to join the Berserker faction.
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3da34e No.16723642
>>16723619
Elex and G3 are about equal when it comes to movement and combat with Elex being maybe just a little better.
G3 feels less floaty and bit more responsive.
Elex despite its flawed stamina system is miles better than G3's, weapons have more impact and melee combat is slightly less of a chore. Also jetpack.
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123699 No.16723644
>>16723642
who know maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance.. but I really hate the floaty feeling
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3d19c9 No.16723650
>>16723617
>Witcher
>survival
I would expect nothing less from someone recommending Witcher games to someone who plays Gothic.
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1f3dd5 No.16723659
>>16723650
I don't know if you play Witcher, but Witcher 1 is literally about survival, killing monsters and crafting potion.
And I play Witcher, Gothic, Kingdom Come and Morrowind.
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6e9c7b No.16723684
>>16721114
https://www.gameswirtschaft.de/politik/elex-2-piranha-bytes-foerderung-creative-europe-media-2017/
>EU gives 150 000 € to Piranhabytes
>the scene where you get the line: You… You want to commit Völkermord? (Exclusivly used to reference the holocaust in Germany; literally means "murder of peoples")
>whereas old Piranhabytes was like "We will exterminate all of you pieces of shit!"
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1f3dd5 No.16723688
>>16723684
Volkermord means genocide and does not mean the Shoah as in the jewish holohoax.
PB is still based.
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6e9c7b No.16723691
>>16723688
Nigger, I'm German and I'm telling you it's exclusivly used in reference to the holocaust.
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6e9c7b No.16723692
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1f3dd5 No.16723693
>>16723691
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkermord
Then why in Wikipedia they refer to the Volkermord in Ruanda?
I didn't know there was a holocoaster in Rwanda.
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6e9c7b No.16723699
>>16723693
Look up what a Volk is.
Völkermord != Genozid
They also manipulated reviews on GOG.
The game is full of social justice garbage. If you didn't notice it, you're just blind.
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3d19c9 No.16723704
>>16723659
Everyone and their mothers played the Witcher games, hell I even enjoyed the first two enough, in different ways, to replay them every few years.
Survival means struggling to SURVIVE, either because you have a feeling of being threatened with resource scarcity, where if you run out of those resources you're fucking dead on in quite a tight fit, like in survival horror games. Then you get other survival games where it's about meeting certain needs (drink, food, temperature, etc).
Nothing about Witcher games or most rpgs is about survival, it's about improving your character and usually roleplay as them (Geralt for example) or roleplaying your self insert in that world.
I m having difficulties understanding how, fucking how, you can think those games are survival games and you were dead wrong on Morrowind just being about exploration, how can you play that game and think it's just exploration. It baffles me. The only explanation I can find is that you played that game either you werre far too young or did not put the time in it required to properly appreciate the game and its various aspects. If that's the case you should go through it again, it's fun.
You don't need potions/oil to kill those monsters, especially on hardest difficulties, but you don't need it. Assuming you loot things and gather herbs you never have to get out of your way to get stuff. Hell, Witcher 3 got rid of the whole having reagents to maintain your stock and everything about the games other than environments, soundtrack and some quests is mediocre at best.
One of the only RPG that consistantly gave me a real feel of struggling to survive would be Age of Decadence (which you should play if you haven't, gib Vince money even if he doesn't need it)
Just because you can craft and gather shit does not a survival game make.
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3d19c9 No.16723714
>>16723699
>Völkermord
It is weird that it would only be used when referring to the holocaust when etymologically speaking it just means killing a population. Anyway the term genocide was made by a jew in reaction to the holohoax so it really does not matter since it always was about them.
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9adba3 No.16723719
Nah OP. All the shit you probably loved about G1-3 and R1 have gone out of the windows. The Atmosphere is gone, the revisiting of areas you cleared earlier is gone, the development of the world around you is gone. The funny shit and the day-to-day lives of the NPCs around you is gone. All that remains are the janky controlls.
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6e9c7b No.16723722
>>16723714
Völkermord is a crime since 1948. Use your brain.
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6e9c7b No.16723723
It says so right in the first sentence on german wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkermord
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6e9c7b No.16723724
>>16723714
> a population
No, multiple. Jews can't into German.
Völker is plural.
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e4ba92 No.16723728
>>16723397
Its different. Witcher feels more like a game, you only get what you expect from any other game. Geralt likes drinking, you will get a quest about drinking. Geralt likes armor, you will get a quest about getting armor. Geralt likes sex you will get a quest about sex. Nothing ever surprises you in the game. All actions you can take are in one menu.
In gothic you also learn(explore) what you can do and what is going on. Exploration is not always about climbing mountains, sometimes its about reading fucking books and learning when npc are going to drink so you can steal their shit. Sometimes its learning that quest you completed has another 10 different ways to complete it. That sometimes failing quests is the answer and it gives you more options. I dont think you can fail quests in witcher, except when you forget about them. I think there was only one silly quest where you have to run around coffin whole night to undo the curse.
>Morrowind is just random exploration.
Its not always random and its often rewarding.
And in witcher its not a foreign land, people fucking recognize you and sometimes give you money for being a cool guy. Amnesia plot was pretty much instantly dropped.
>>16723659
You dont understand what survival in context of games means.
I dont dislike witcher games if you wondering.
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6e9c7b No.16723729
Singular would be Volksmord (Mord des Volk'es)
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6e9c7b No.16723731
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3d19c9 No.16723741
>>16723729
>>16723731
Calm down Helmut, I was wrong and should beat myself up over my shameful german comprehension skills. To think that ten years ago I was half decent
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6e9c7b No.16723744
>>16723741
It's fine. I'm just explaining it, so there are no missunderstandings.
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0ad8f8 No.16723893
>>16723704
Witcher 1-3 is about survival since the hostile environment and lacks of resources mean you have to scurry up everything to survive.
This is the same feelings in Gothic 1+2 and Kingdom Come.
Morrowind is incredibly easy to cheese so it cannot be an exploration game.
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0ad8f8 No.16723895
>>16723728
>In gothic you also learn(explore) what you can do and what is going on. Exploration is not always about climbing mountains, sometimes its about reading fucking books and learning when npc are going to drink so you can steal their shit.
Surprise! Same in the Witcher.
>Sometimes its learning that quest you completed has another 10 different ways to complete it.
Again, surprise, also same in the Witcher!
>That sometimes failing quests is the answer and it gives you more options. I dont think you can fail quests in witcher, except when you forget about them.
Yes you can fail quest in the Witcher and there will be options for you to continue the game.
>I think there was only one silly quest where you have to run around coffin whole night to undo the curse.
Weird, ALSO like the Witcher.
Witcher and Gothic are actually very similar to each other since they are inspired by each other.
You will not find ANY of the above in Morrowind, except maybe the character schedule.
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831507 No.16723896
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0ad8f8 No.16723897
>>16723728
>And in witcher its not a foreign land, people fucking recognize you and sometimes give you money for being a cool guy. Amnesia plot was pretty much instantly dropped.
Forget to mention this, it's foreign land to the player. People recognize Geralt but they don't give you money for being Geralt, in fact they hate your guts for being a mutant.
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503de1 No.16723925
>>16723895
>Again, surprise, also same in the Witcher!
Not really, its usually pick 1/2 at the very end of the quest. Or "side objective, talk with this guy" "side objective, use skill when talking to the guy to get additional 50 gold".
>Yes you can fail quest in the Witcher and there will be options for you to continue the game.
Like one escort quest?
>I think there was only one silly quest where you have to run around coffin whole night to undo the curse.
>weird, ALSO like the Witcher.
I was talking about it being in witcher as example of the only weird quest in the game. Everything else is
> in fact they hate your guts for being a mutant.
But they love him way more than they love 90% of people around them. Even peasants who are not even real people like him. Even people who owe him money like him. People read books about him, watch plays, listen to bards. He is easily the most popular guy in all of fantasy-poland. He has friends fucking everywhere. Yeah, in fact all of them actually hate you, seems fucking reasonable.
>you cant explore in morrowind
>you cant fail quests in morrowind and there is only one way to complete them
You are retarded.
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0ad8f8 No.16723988
>>16723925
>Not really, its usually pick 1/2 at the very end of the quest. Or "side objective, talk with this guy" "side objective, use skill when talking to the guy to get additional 50 gold".
Yes, really, there are about the same ways to solve a quest in the Witcher as Gothic.
>Like one escort quest?
No, like most quests.
>I was talking about it being in witcher as example of the only weird quest in the game. Everything else is
Nigger what? Both franchises have a shitton of weird quests with a sense of humor.
>But they love him way more than they love 90% of people around them.
What? No, this proves you have never played the Witcher.
>you cant explore in morrowind
You can, it's the whole point of the game.
>>you cant fail quests in morrowind
You can.
>and there is only one way to complete them
Actually true. 90% of Morrowind quests are fetch quests that require you go to to there, talk to somebody/give said person something/kill said person.
Don't lie. It's clear you are trying to defend TESniggers basic bitch quest designs.
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123699 No.16723996
I think the Gothic 1 & 2 writing is very good. Some games always have a preset ways for every major quest to end (eg. side with non-humans vs side with flaming rose vs stay neutral) to the point it feels like a boring mold that will repeat no matter what. Gothic has some choices/alternatives that feel natural, fit the world and are thus very memorable. For example how to handle the old mine shipment in G1 or how to get the orc weapon in G2.
Overall I'd say the first halves of G1, G2, and maybe Risen 1 are the best RPG experiences you can play.
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0ad8f8 No.16723999
>>16723996
Bad critic.
In Gothic 1, you are railroaded to ALWAYS betray Old Camp and support the New Camp. There's only ONE ending as well.
Complaining about the ability to choose different endings in Witcher while saying Gothic 1 doesn't have the same is hypocritical.
Now I know /v/, know nothing niggers that try to be contrarian.
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123699 No.16724002
>>16723999
and that is why I said
>first halves
you mongoloid
And I would prefer to be railroaded instead of having the same choice drilled into me over and over again. But that's just me :^)
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0ad8f8 No.16724004
>>16724002
>And I would prefer to be railroaded instead of having the same choice drilled into me over and over again. But that's just me :^)
Ah, so the retard wants to be railroaded instead of having the ability to choose.
Why play RPG, why play Gothic at all? Just play action adventure, railroaded ALL the times.
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0ad8f8 No.16724018
To the audience reading the thread, stop listening to the retards. If you want a similar experience to Gothic 1+2 and Risen 1, stick to Witcher trilogy and Kingdom Come: Deliverance and ELEX.
Morrowind, the best of the TES, does not resemble anything of the above. Combat is different and weightless, lack of cool stuff to explore and the story is just going everywhere reading Wikipedia articles while delivering fetch.
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123699 No.16724020
>>16724004
You have demonstrated that you have the reading comprehension of a chimp trained in a lab, good job. Maybe in a few decades you will learn to distinguish nuances. Try this example: while having choices is very good, if the choices are badly made, they are worse than having no choice. I know it's a complicated sentence, but you should try to understand it.
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0ad8f8 No.16724025
>>16724020
> Try this example: while having choices is very good, if the choices are badly made, they are worse than having no choice.
LOL, having no choice is just as bad as having bad choices.
Having no choice = bad.
Having bad choices = bad.
But at least having bad choices mean you can replay the games to see different outcomes.
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123699 No.16724030
>>16724025
I see that it is pointless to argue with you, but at least we can agree that morrowind is not that good
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d008c0 No.16724033
>>16723988
>shitton of weird quests with a sense of humor
There are big difference between being weird and a joke. I am not even sure if that Cracius Curio was a joke or they just wanted a faggot writer in game.
>You will not find ANY of the above in Morrowind, except maybe the character schedule.
>You can.
>You can, it's the whole point of the game.
>people actually hate Geralt
Lol, was it written in The Witcher Code?
>>16723996
Yeah, 1st halves are better for the most part. But it just the numbers problem. It just after joining side in gothic2 quests dry up. I think 1st game was better at this up until the orc camp. I think it would be better to further restrict starting quests to smooth the process and thus make them more meaningful. Because everyone doing them just for experience. Its good to have a choice but its a choice between getting experience and not getting experience.
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0ad8f8 No.16724049
>>16724033
>There are big difference between being weird and a joke. I am not even sure if that Cracius Curio was a joke or they just wanted a faggot writer in game.
I'm talking about Witcher and Gothic.
>Lol, was it written in The Witcher Code?
No, it's written by the fact he's a fucking mutant and most people do not want anything to do with him.
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0ad8f8 No.16724058
>>16724030
You can't argue with facts, idiot.
You are basically saying Gothic is superior for having LESS choices than Witcher 1, and that Witcher 1 choices are somehow bad compared to Gothic 1's CLIFFHANGER ending.
You are a hipster idiot and I love to bully the fuck out of you.
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825419 No.16724840
>>16723893
Nigga what the fuck is this shit you’re typing
Nigga shut the fuck up
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3d19c9 No.16724864
>>16723893
>Morrowind is incredibly easy to cheese so it cannot be an exploration game
>have to scurry up everything to survive.
What the hell am I reading.
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1f3dd5 No.16726303
>>16724864
That's Witcher and Gothic, not Morrowind.
You can bond into end-game tier weapon in Morrowind just 4 fucking minutes in.
Resources are ABUNDANT in Morrowind and the game is mostly about finding how much you can break the system.
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1f3dd5 No.16726304
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3d19c9 No.16726488
>>16726303
All of that is true but that doesn't make Witcher and Gothic survival games you fucking retard.
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73be0f No.16727377
>>16720773
2 doesn't let you be a mage at all and 3 is atrociously easy. Also, both 2 and 3 remove all weapon types except rifles and one-handed swords, which I imagine will piss a lot of people off. All three games have beautiful scenery, though. Not enough RPGs use a tropical setting.
One thing I don't like about all the games is how they tie character classes to factions, but if you liked other PB games, I imagine that won't be as big a problem for you.
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22716d No.16727531
I remember back in the day when there was a friendly banter between Morrowind fags and Gothic fag, but now we have to deal with the Witcher fags, shitting up the thread.
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3d19c9 No.16727560
>>16727531
>Witcher fags
Witcher faggotry is not the issue, absolute retardation is.
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186cba No.16727593
>>16720847
Risen 1 took place on an island, and what I gathered from the lore (which was either wrong, retconned, or poorly implemented) seemed like the oceans were no man's land due to the titans. The natural evolution from that to fight against the titans would have to be some form of nautical theme, and that's probably were they ended up with pirates from.
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daaeb1 No.16727904
>>16727593
>gothic 3 is canon and gods are dead
>titans awake in the sea
>you kill titans later
>now you have nothing to do but you have a ship so piracy it is
Risen 3 is really a separate thing from other games.
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73be0f No.16733386
Are there other RPGs that use a tropical setting like Risen? I haven't found any.
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5c2ce9 No.16733398
>>16720788
Heil Hitler and /thread
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6c3384 No.16733484
There's no real yes or no answer. I liked Risen 2 and 3, but I didn't really have many expectations because Risen 2 was my first PB game, and Risen 3 my second. If you are hot off the expectations of Gothic 1, 2 or Risen 1 then I can see why they might not appeal.
Risen 1 is not bad, but the later game gets repetitive. Note that most of the quests are open to you from the start in that game, so try to spread them out instead of doing all of them on the first chapter or two because you will have nothing to do other than kill lizards and do the main quest later on. The same applies to Elex if you intend to play that. Don't listen to that retard in this thread, I don't think he has played Elex at all.
>>16727377
The good thing about Risen 2 is that you can just skip the combat by abusing dodge rolls and the first musket you get throughout the entire game. This allows you to just enjoy the scenery and funny writing, which are quite good.
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e939ba No.16734080
So what the hell is the deal with ArcaniA?
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2e2fe1 No.16734139
>>16734080
>Pirahna Bites develops Gothic 1
>JoWood publishes Gothic 2
>JoWood tells PB to make Gothic 3 for the "Oblivion audience"
>they argue over it
>they release Gothic 3 as a buggy mess, and was the Mass Effect 3 to the German population
>they split up, but JoWood keeps the publishing rights to the Gothic series(the characters, story, designs, etc)
>PB goes on to release Risen as a spiritual successor, to great acclaim
>JoWood shits out Gothic 4 Arcania and nobody likes it
>Pirahna Bites uses the money from Risen to buy out the Gothic IP, from JoWood.
<Sadly the people who made Gothic 1, aren't the same who made Elex, so don't expect too much from the inevitable Gothic 5.
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0659b4 No.16735001
>>16720864
>That's like wishing skyrim had morrowind's hit and miss system.
I absolutely wish that.
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831507 No.16735006
>>16724864
didn't that artist trace all his shit
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d008c0 No.16735946
>>16734080
Its not even included in complete Gothic collection, everyone pretends that this does not exist.
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02aef1 No.16735995
>>16734139
PB says that they are afraid of making new gothic since they know that people expect very good game
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d94c8d No.16747078
>>16734139
there is exactly one guy left in the team who worked on gothic 1 and that is bjorn pankratz irrc
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d01f4a No.16747127
>>16735995
>>16734139
I lost my faith in PB after Risen 2 and 3 but with Elex I regained some of it.
Its biggest issue is the floaty combat and stamina system, the world exploration, setting and writing were all solid and I believe that they could put together something good (though I don't expect G2 tier).
If they really want a stamina system at all they should look at either Souls or Outward, the former punishes needless spamming and rewards stamina management with fast recovery but smaller overall pool that doesn't let the player dodge/block/attack 20 times in a row before running out.
The latter is more focused on a conservative approach both in and out of combat where you get to make a fair amount of actions from full to empty. The regeneration is slower but doesn't stop when spending stamina.
Elex goes for the Souls approach of only letting you do a very limited amount of actions before running out and stop regenerating after doing an action, but it also regenerates slow as fuck forcing you into a defensive position where you just wait way too long for it to come back.
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e2c33c No.16764641
>>16735006
Yes, somehow he still has a diehard fanbase.
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f49864 No.16764663
They're all the same. If you enjoyed 1, I think you'll enjoy anything.
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31b04c No.16777176
>>16764663
How are they the same?
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