364b89 No.16709703
>Starts out as a straight laced, overworked newbie who sweats every second at pretty much every development, but still wins his cases by a hair each time
>Even when his client is guilty and a repeat murderer, he finds out ways to punish them even if they go free
>Utterly dedicated to justice
>Gets disbarred for the honest mistake of presenting forged evidence without his knowledge, something he had utterly despised as a lawyer despite engaging in every verbal courtroom tactic and antic in order to figure out the truth of his situation
>Gets shafted so hard he resorts to playing high stakes card games at a bar, makes money because people want to play HIM, just because he ended up that good, turns out his past history as a lawyer works pretty well for poker, even adopts a daughter
>Finds a chance to fuck over the man who fucked him out of his job
>Throws every morality scruple he had aside just to fuck him
>Forges evidence, internally changes the law system just for one case, all to screw over the man, the murderer, who forged his case
>Gets his licence back after proving his innocence by indicting the murderer
>You gain control of him again
>His internal thoughts reveal that he has substantially less moments where he's sweating, he's much more dignified, and while he does have issues at high moments, he generally ends up appearing much more competent despite making the same mistakes the player does
>Helps that the more comedic moments in the games are handled by his understudies, and the one game he's caught in ridiculous attitudes like his old self is one where he's defending in a country that essentially has no justice system and abhors all lawyers
>His outfit changed to an open flapped jacket with a gold chain to reflect his new mentality, and his facial features have noticeably aged, even with the anime style
It's subtle, but heavy character development. What characters have had these sorts of changes in video games? I've noticed it's a bit rare.
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55c6d6 No.16709748
Which games in the Phoenix Wright series are worth playing anyways. There’s a lot of them now.
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364b89 No.16709762
>>16709748
You can pick pretty much any one and start there. If you pick the second game, the Circus case is a fucking slog and has a lot of meta traps, like the clown's "Press the wrong statement and you get a penalty" bullshit and the fact that some of the statements, partcularly around the last case start with the same line on pass or failure just to fuck over brute force resetters.
You should start with either the first one, Apollo Justice, or Dual Destinies. Spirit of Justice is rather silly and weird, but it's specifically a departure from the regular game's setting, so you might want to at least play one other game first.
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117055 No.16709767
>>16709748
The first Trilogy and then the Edgeworth games.
You can stop after that.
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dccc63 No.16709770
>>16709748
Why do idiots always ask these dumb ass questions?
How hard is it to just play series in release order?
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364b89 No.16709772
>>16709767
Fuck off, the ones after it were good.
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117055 No.16709773
>>16709772
Disgusting Athena apologists.
Don't listen to this nigger here.
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1a6a37 No.16709780
>>16709770
Because games like DMC2 exist that you can skip without missing literally anything and saving yourself some time you could spend on playing 3 instead.
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fc8573 No.16709792
I can't wait for 2026 so we can start doing Apollo Justice threads. It's a long way off but something tells me we're probably all still gonna be here when that time comes.
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ffdc06 No.16709793
>>16709748
In short, play the original trilogy in release order. The spin offs and purely supplementary and only serve to enhance the universe. The new trilogy is of questionable quality plot wise, so approach those at your own discretion.
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fc8573 No.16709799
>>16709793
Spirit of Justice fixed pretty much every problem people had with DD plot-wise, including making the characters act like actual people again, and it has some of the best cases in the main series so I think playing AJ and DD are worth it for that.
The AAI spinoffs are amazing, play both of them, AAI2 never came out in the west but there's a fan translation.
DGS1 has a fan translation and they're working on one for the sequel.
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604fe7 No.16709916
<first game
>starts out as a naive kid who does everything that is told to
>gets tricked by some vizier to open the Hourglass of Time
>ends up unleashing a curse on the entire palace, ends up having to kill his father
>does his best to save the day, but this qt waifu dies, so he decides to turn back time, to before all this shit happens
>he manages to avoid the shit from the first game, but it means that his waifu never met him, nor does she have any feeling for him anymore
<second game
>turns out, opening the Hourglass of Time, means you are destined to die
>an ustoppable beast chases the prince to make sure his destiny is fulfilled
>instead of admitting his mistakes, he runs away
<he is told that no man can change his faith
>decides to go back to the past, and stop the empress of time from creating the sands of time
>he is now a lot more edgier and desperate, since he is constantly chased by this beast
>arrives at the island, kills some sand creatures, meets another qt waifu, who is a servant to the empress, and falls in love with her
>tries to convince her to come back to his timeline, so that she might be free from the evil of the palace
>she declines, but wants him to succeed and change his destiny
>turns out she is the empress, and her destiny is to be killed by the prince, so she decides to kill him, so that she might change her fate
>the prince, reluctantly kills her, because he doesn't want to die
>finally he has stopped the sands from being created, and the unstoppable beast, Dahaka won't chase him anymore
>turns out, that by killing her, he actually created the sands, so all his trip was for nothing, that he was the architect of his own destruction(he created the sands, that he would open, thus dooming him to death)
>decides to go back to the past, one more time, this time he brings the Empress to his own timeline, so that the sands would be created after the events of the first game
>manages to bring the empress to the present, and calms her down, he even defeats the Dahaka who was after her now
>finally he has changed not only his faith, but her faith as well
>he goes back to his kingdom, but it is now under siege
<no man can change his faith
<third game
>the empress, gets killed by the vizier from the first game, in order to create the sands of time, had he not brought her to his palace, she would not have died, so she still died at his hand, as was her destiny
>the prince is also cursed with the sands, and is now half sand beast who represents his warrior side from the second game
>he meets the qt waifu from the first game, Farrah, who still doesn't know who he is, and together they try to stop the vizier who is now a gof
>he is so obsessed with killing him, that he neglects helping his own people who are killed by the vizier's soldiers
>from time to time he gets transformed into the corrupted prince, and only be touching water could he go back
>Farah tells him, that he is not worthy of the throne, she also finds out that he is a sand mosnter and tries to kill him
>with no more allies, he tries to go and kill the vizier alone
>ends up in a wooden mansion, with a lot of prisoners, and actually stops from his quest of vengeance to help them, from burning
>Farrah also saw that, and realizes that there is still hope for him
>they go and stop the vizier, but fails, and she gets captured
>he transforms again
>there is no more water
>finds the corpse of his father(who got killed, because he tried to change his faith in the second game)
>the corrupted prince, mocks him, asking if he will gather enough sands to rewind time, or if he will go back to the island of time from the second game, to go to a tme when he was still alive
>the prince had enough and says NO MORE, he finally accepts all that he has done, and all the consequences that it entails
>he manages to transform back, not with water, but through sheer will and determination
>he is now the true King of Persia
>he kills the vizier, saves his waifu, purifies himself and is ready to lead his people into an era of peace and prosperity
>tl;dr
>goes from nave kid, who runs away from everything and can't accept his mistakes, always trying to go back in time to fix them, to someone who accepts responsibly for his actions and actually thinks, before doing anything
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55c6d6 No.16709962
>>16709767
>>16709762
Is the new remastered version any good? Thinking about getting it on the switch.
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240ce5 No.16709966
>>16709799
AAI2 and DGS are easily the best games in the series.
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604fe7 No.16709973
>>16709962
>Is the new remastered version any good?
Just like, all the remasters, it has the same ugly graphics from the IOS version from way back(think of someone using filters for pixel based snes games), so no. Grab a DS emulator and play the original remakes(they were remakes of the GBA games).
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117055 No.16709976
>>16709962
If you have an old DS lying around getting an R4 card with the roms is easy as pie.
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c0c857 No.16709988
>>16709773
I bet you like Maya like the shit taste nigger you are.
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3e1dad No.16710009
>>16709762
>just to fuck over brute force resetters
No fun allowed, huh? I had to do this a lot because despite figuring out the case, the game still wants me to go along a specific path to get to the end and sometimes the path does not adhere to common sense.
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117055 No.16710013
>>16709988
I'll take a qt like Maya with actual character development over a retarded Gimmick - The Character who has no purpose other than telling you that somebody felt sad making a statement in court which means they are totally the culprit.
Maya's entire arc in the third game of the original trilogy beats the living shit out of anything Athena was involved in and ever will be involved in.
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28489b No.16710019
>>16709748
They are all good. Start with the first.
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55c6d6 No.16710020
speaking of, anyone have a prepatched DGS?
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c0c857 No.16710025
>>16710013
>Maya
<character development
One line in Spirit of Justice in prison is not character development, especially when she acts exactly the same in every other instance.
>arc in the third game
What fucking arc? Dahlia Hawthorne, Diego Armando and Mia Fey were the ones who had an arc. Maya didn't do shit in case two, didn't do shit in case three and was possessed for the vast majority of case five. She was barely even fucking there. Her only actions were to play out Mia Fey's plan and to cry about Godot. Two dead characters had more arcs throughout the game than Maya, Mia especially considering she got some quirky moments in case 3 as well.
And what makes Maya so cute, again? The appearance is arguable but it sure as fuck isn't her personality.
>Maya wants to do something
>Phoenix tells her not to
>she does anyway and fucks something up
>whatever other character is at the scene gets upset
<See, Nick? I told you not to touch that, tee hee! Now let's go get burgers!
In a series filled with great girls, Maya is a shit. And trust me, that's not much of a defense of Athena. I just think Athena's less obnoxious than Maya.
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c40025 No.16710039
>>16709916
The princess of persia was one of the trilogies that really surprised me because of that.
>>16710025
Maya has this bratty, childish and carefree attitude that is kinda cute, you want to protect her and make sure she doesn't fuck herself over. I do agree there are far better girls than Maya, but I know that as a waifu she'd be the kind of girl that will always makes you smile.
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c9d155 No.16710041
It isn't even subtle, but because casuals haven't even played the games, they complain about Shadow the Hedgehog being edgy, when the story of that game is literally about him learning to not be an edgy faggot anymore. Then in Sonic '06, he's not edgy, he's just a pretty cool guy who fights Mephiles and doesn't afraid of anything. His story in '06 is legitimately cool and shows his growth as a character. While he spent the last few games being emo and unsure of himself, now he's so sure of himself that he's willing to fight a seemingly endless and unstoppable horde to try to save the world, even though he knows that the people will unjustly turn on him in the future.
Also, Knuckles has an actual character arc in Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, and Tails and Amy have pretty good arcs in Sonic Adventure, but these developments are all largely ignored in subsequent games. (Knuckles is still a good guy, but continues to get tricked into working for Eggman like four more times). Gamma has the best story but (s)he (? the bird is pink. Pretty sure that means it's a girl) is only in one game.
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7dcce9 No.16710050
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I like how after surviving a few outbreaks, Leon turned from a rookie cop virgin into a secret agent chad.
>RE2 - Looks like a boyband fag. Gets startled easily
>RE4 - Cracks witty remarks. Unfazed by the horror he sees
>RE6 - Got serious. Nothing fazes him anymore. He's seen it all
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c40025 No.16710052
>>16710041
I know people hate '06 for many reasons, but if you cut down the glitches and get rid of the fucking princess, the game would have been legitimately good. It looks good, it has a relatively good story, and it shows the completely fleshed characters of Sonic and Shadow.
Whatever happened to that project of porting Sonic 06 to PC?
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c0c857 No.16710054
>>16710039
I'd make that argument for Pearl perhaps, she'd be a good daughteru.
>but I know that as a waifu she'd be the kind of girl that will always makes you smile
Considering she never made me smile in first place, I doubt she would as a waifu.
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c9d155 No.16710071
>>16710052
I don't even give a fuck about the princess. It's weird, but it's not a dealbreaker. The only part that bugged me significantly was that one mission that was basically just there for the story, where you choose between Elise and Amy. First of all, I don't want any missions in a Sonic game that are just for the story, and secondly, Amy wasn't even treated as a love interest in the game. Thirdly, besides this, you don't have to interpret the relationship between Sonic and Elise as romantic, especially on Sonic's end. Regardless of furry shit, Sonic ain't got time for love. Comparing her directly with Amy is the most explicitly romantic part and it's weird.
All that said, it doesn't really bother me much. The problem is the loading times more than anything, and then the half implemented elements, like Sonic's gems. Of course I'm sure a lot of the rest of the game would have been changed if it was actually finished, especially the Town Stage missions, but we can only guess at that. We can very easily tell what the game would have been like without glitches and absurd loading times, and we could try to fix those half implemented elements and tune up the physics a bit better. So yeah I hope that guy is still trying to remake it for PC, then you know the rest of the Sonic autists would make it one hell of a game.
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117055 No.16710093
>>16710025
She is flawed and that's fine.
I certainly don't disagree that there's "better" girls in the franchise.
I personally really liked Justine and Kay.
The latter of which also shares traits with Maya mind you.
But the entirety of Investigations 1 and 2 was great to begin with.
>What fucking arc?
Why was Phoenix dead set on saving her?
Even tried to walk across a burning fucking bridge to save her. She's has become more than just his assistant and his former boss's little sister.
She earned that, while characters like Athena would not be missed for even a second if she were to disappear.
>And what makes Maya so cute, again?
She is clueless and has been living a sheltered life and is now opening up to a whole new world while Phoenix gets to be alongside her while she does so. It's great. She's like a kid in a candy store. Sure she's gonna cause trouble but you cannot help but smile as she goes from candy to candy to try them out and watch her reactions.
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2ec15e No.16710126
>>16710050
>RE6 - Got serious. Nothing fazes him anymore. He's seen it all
He hasn't seen Ada naked, which is pretty much the driving force of the entire game.
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c40025 No.16710153
>>16710054
Just because you are a bitter faggot doesn't make Maya a bad character, anon.
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c9d155 No.16710233
The Ratchet & Clank series is generally actually good with character development, especially the first game, but Captain Qwark changes so much that they basically ruined his character in the movie to highlight qualities that weren't in the original game (which the movie was adapting). Of course, in the actual games, it happens so gradually that it feels very natural. Also pretty much everything to do with him is a spoiler.
Ratchet & Clank 1
>Universally renowned superhero. When the protagonists find out the universe is in danger, their entire goal is to find Captain Qwark so he can save the day. But he's been bought off by the bad guy, who constantly berates him and reminds him that he's washed up. Ratchet becomes obsessed with revenge due to this betrayal by his idol, and eventually defeats Qwark.
>disgraced, Qwark takes on the alias "Steve McQwark" and starts selling some shady products to try to get back on his feet
Going Commando
>Qwark has gone to jail for selling a product called the Personal Hygenator, which seems to buttrape the user or something. But he broke out by flushing himself down the toilet. Nobody cares though. Now he's just barely remembered in some "where are they now?" documentary. His role as famous superhero has been filled by Ratchet & Clank
>Qwark now becomes the main antagonist, kidnapping and impersonating the CEO of Megacorp so that he can release a deliberately dangerous product and then save the galaxy from it, making himself look like a hero again
>but he's still not actually good at being a hero, so when a disgruntled employee steals the prototype, he has to hire Ratchet & Clank to get it back. They of course eventually find out about the plan and defeat him.
>Qwark pays his debt to Megacorp by becoming a test subject for a product called "The Crotchetizer," which is implied to cause extreme pain.
Up Your Arsenal
>when Qwark's old nemesis, Doctor Nefarious, returns to menace the galaxy, the Galactic President asks Ratchet & Clank to find Qwark so he can defeat him again. Qwark has been so disgraced that he retreated into the jungle and became convinced he was a monkey. Ratchet & Clank have to show him old video games documenting his old heroism and battles against Nefarious to get his memory back. (And in the process it cements with the player that Qwark was a real superhero at one point.)
>Qwark founds and leads a superhero team called the Q-Force, which of course includes Ratchet & Clank
>when a mission fails and nearly kills him, Qwark lets everyone think he's dead and goes back into exile, finally convinced that he's not a good superhero anymore. Ratchet & Clank find him and reach out to him, but he refuses to return.
>At the end of the game, when Ratchet & Clank really need it, Qwark returns in the nick of time and helps them defeat Nefarious. Everyone, including himself, now thinks of him as a real superhero again.
Deadlocked
>when the Vox Network kidnaps heroes from across the universe and forces them to compete on a gladiatorial reality show, Qwark figures it must have been some mistake that they never tried to get him
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c9d155 No.16710234
Size Matters
>we learn that Qwark never knew his family, as he was raised by monkeys on the jungle planet he retreated to in Up Your Arsenal.
>turns out his parents were great heroes who were killed by faulty tech made by the bad guys from this game. The point is, we are made to feel sympathetic for him.
Secret Agent Clank
>Qwark is paid a very large sum to write his autobiography. It is obviously full of exaggeration and outright bullshit to make him look like a better hero than he is.
Tools of Destruction
>Qwark is an active superhero again, though is still forced to call on Ratchet & Clank for help when real problems arise
>still desperate to prove that he's a good hero, when the protagonists get the superweapon macguffin, the Dimensionator, Qwark takes it and runs off, eager to be the one to destroy it by throwing it into a black hole. He is captured by the bad guy who then uses the superweapon. Qwark had good intentions though, so nobody cares
A Crack in Time
>other than getting captured by the enemy at one point, Qwark is an actual ally and a real superhero, though still goofy
Ratchet & Clank (comic)
>Now an actually respected superhero again, Qwark is contacted by the Defense Minister to endorse his presidential campaign. Sleazy hollywood producers instead convince Qwark to change his mind at the last minute and run for President himself. Qwark wins in a landslide.
>the Defense Minister Qwark defeated becomes a supervillain. Qwark initially lies to Ratchet & Clank about knowledge of the supervillain's plan, but only until they agree to help. He claims lying is part of the job. He then uses this knowledge to actually help them save the day.
All 4 One
>President Qwark is a primary playable character. Nefarious is forced to team up with Ratchet, Clank, and his nemesis, Qwark, and they almost think they managed to reform him. But he runs off after they save the day. Qwark's worst crime is exaggerating how many of a specific type of monster he's killed in the past.
Full Frontal Assault
>Qwark lost the next election, but just returned to leading the Q-Force. The only person who seemed to remember his former disgrace was the president of his fan club, who has now enacted an elaborate plan to destroy him. The Q-Force of course saves the day.
Into the Nexus
>pretty much just a regular but goofy superhero
Ratchet & Clank (2016)
>in a framing device that takes place when Qwark was in prison, between the first and second games, he explains to a cellmate that the Ratchet & Clank movie was not accurate to real life. He proceeds to tell his version of the story, which is also not accurate. Both the movie and Qwark's version of the story insert Doctor Nefarious into the plot, so that Qwark can turn on Drek and Nefarious and redeem himself by the end of the story, instead of several games later.
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f2be0f No.16713576
>>16710041
Shadow's story was wasted on 06. Finally someone knows.
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bb6a00 No.16713856
>>16710041
Knuckles got fucked over hard when Shadow was introduced. His coolness and any development he gained in his early years are completely gone now. Now he's just forever Sonic's buddy that punches hard.
And you are correct, Shadow's story is the only story that mattered in Sonic 06.
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7353fc No.16713889
>>16710233
The development in UYA never felt justified because Qwark is still an asshole for 90% of the game and the Biobliterator is a piss easy boss, more of an extra scene after the actual Nefarious final boss which Ratchet and Clank take on without help. He's still played as an egotistical ass in later games too, so he doesn't seem to have actually learned anything anyway.
>still desperate to prove that he's a good hero, when the protagonists get the superweapon macguffin, the Dimensionator, Qwark takes it and runs off, eager to be the one to destroy it by throwing it into a black hole. He is captured by the bad guy who then uses the superweapon. Qwark had good intentions though, so nobody cares
Running away with an important item so you can get all the credit and fame for destroying it doesn't count as good intentions.
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9e4217 No.16713904
>>16710233
>>16710234
The only thing I got from this is that there are way too many Ratchet & Clank games.
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4b2762 No.16713914
>>16713856
This, Shadow wasn't needed because Kunckles already filled the rival slot and Metal Sonic filled the look a like villian.
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7353fc No.16713932
>>16713904
The four PS2 games are the main ones that are worth playing, and by far the best games in the series.
Tools of Destruction and Crack in Time on the PS3 are worth playing too, though both try too hard to be cinematic and personally I felt never had as fun combat. Crack in Time does a much better job at the story and characters than ToD and also adds quite a few unique gameplay elements so its definitely the better game. Into the Nexus is a budget follow up to these games. The story and characters revert to being as bad as they were in ToD and the other interesting things introduced in CiT aren't in it. It's 30 FPS but it does have a few neat gadgets/gimmicks and the weapons are alright.
The PSP games Size Matters and Secret Agent Clank are alright but pretty rough. Secret Agent Clank makes up for it in story and dialogue, Size Matters doesn't.
The other games are crappy to mediocre shovelware or a poor "remake" that should be ignroed.
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d1612a No.16713940
>>16709748
Don't listen to >>16709762. Play the original trilogy and don't look for any spoilers. If you're dedicated, learn moon and play the Edgeworth games. Apollo Justice is straight up awful and has the dumbest asspull twist.
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8012d5 No.16713957
>>16713940
>If you're dedicated, learn moon and play the Edgeworth games
The first game has an official translation, and the second game has a complete fan translation.
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d1612a No.16713996
Hang on, I happen to have the ROMs. How can I upload them as swf files?
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c40025 No.16713998
I'd want to say Jak, but other than changing psychically and aging, his development is really fucking shitty
>Naive Kid
>Edgy Fag
>Edgy Fag
>Cool guy
My favorite Jak is Jak X Jak since this is after Damus death, which actually finally stopped his edgy rampage.
>>16713856
Knuckles was a shit sonic rival anyway. He evolved past that and he actually developed his own personality. He is just a centered guy with a mission that just wants to be left alone to do his fucking job. I do agree that his development stopped after SA1, though.
>>16713914
Are you that autistic metal sonic guy I bumped into in the good rivals thread? As I said there, Even shadow evolved from being a sonic Rival. Shadow would be Jow to Yugi and Metal Sonic would be Kaiba. The former improved and became a good duelist that could compete against Yugi. The later was always good but was so autistically obsessed that hindered him. Thy are day and night despite them both being rivals, and Shadow is not a rival anymore.
>>16713940
It's pretty stupid to tell someone to play the original trilogy and then to learn nip to play the other games. He wouldn't be in sanfrantokio anymore.
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d1612a No.16714030
>>16709748
Fuck it. Here's the trilogy of DS games including Apollo Justice WHICH I ONLY INCLUDED SO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SHIT IT IS BUT IT ALSO PLAYS INTO APOLLO JUSTICE A BIT and Ghost Trick because that's also a pretty good game and similar enough. I also bundled a DS emulator under the assumption you're not a Linuxfag or phoneposter. Now go play it, faggot.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5qzvn.7z
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d1612a No.16714033
>>16714030
Wait, I got confused. I meant to say that the DS version of the first game plays into Apollo Justice.
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fb594f No.16714089
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d7091a No.16714179
>>16713998
>stopped his edgy rampage
What a load of shit. Or did you just conviently forget cutscenes like the one where mizo says he has a habit of leaving people to die to which he responds "you get used to it" and then proceeds to walk away while mizo explodes in the back?
Yeah ok pal.
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a3a695 No.16714205
>>16709767
nigger Great Ace Attorney is pretty good
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4e7d0a No.16714217
>>16709780
What did you dislike about DMC2?
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bb6553 No.16714249
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bb6553 No.16714255
<Game 1
>some random prisoner NPC you see once and never again
<Game 2
>severed head
<Game 3
>now he's a ghost that gives you a quest
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48b2d2 No.16714277
>>16709762
> If you pick the second game, the Circus case is a fucking slog and has a lot of meta traps, like the clown's "Press the wrong statement and you get a penalty" bullshit and the fact that some of the statements, partcularly around the last case start with the same line on pass or failure just to fuck over brute force resetters.
If I recall that was the same case that pissed me off because I knew the monkey was the answer to it but I was selecting it wrong and needed to do things first in order to select the monkey, damn near ruined the game for me.
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bb6a00 No.16719817
>>16713914
>>16713998
My issue isn't Knuckles being replaced as the rival. My issue is that for some reason, immediately once Shadow was introduced Knuckles devolved hard. I'm fine with Sonic/Knuckles burying the hatchet (there's only so many times you can justify them fighting each other and justify Knuckles being tricked) but it came at a cost, Knuckles is such a nothing character now and they haven't handled him well ever since.
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c40025 No.16719867
>>16714179
>Or did you just conviently forget cutscenes like the one where mizo says he has a habit of leaving people to die to which he responds "you get used to it" and then proceeds to walk away while mizo explodes in the back?
That's more badass than edgy. He doesn't go and finish Mizo off, and he is far less violent and reckless than he was in, say, Jak 2. In fact, the whole point of light eco and light Jak was to balance his murderous side and the story reflects on it, to the point that when he finishes a race he can say "This is for Damus".
>>16719817
>immediately once Shadow was introduced Knuckles devolved hard
Actually, you can say that Metal Sonic was overshadowed by the introduction of Knuckles seeing how Metal Sonic was Sonic's rival before Knuckles was introduced, like a year or so.
Even in SA1 Knuckles is not Sonic's rival, and the only reason they fought was because Eggman tricked Knuckle again.
>Knuckles is such a nothing character now and they haven't handled him well ever since.
His whole character revolves around him protecting the master emerald, which is fine, he is a cool and aloof guy most of the time just chilling in Angel Island doing his job. And if you go by the comics, he uses his Emerald hunting powers as a treasure hunter, to the point that he is considered the world's greatest treasure hunter. Just because Knuckles life doesn't revolve around Sonic doesn't mean he is not a cool guy on himself. In that sense, Tails is far more uninteresting because despite being one of the smartest beings in that universe, he is always tailing sonic around And it's funny because his SA1/2 theme song says he wants to be more than that, but ever since then he barely have done more for that
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cd1c67 No.16719952
>>16709703
phoenix wright more like peenus weanus wipe haha :)
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4b2762 No.16720285
>>16719817
>there's only so many times you can justify them fighting each other
But rivals don't just have to fight each other they can simply compete as well. Knuckles could still be part of his adventures as a rival by trying to one up him or save the day to try and prove he's tougher.
They just don't use him enough either, for example in Sonic Unleashed Knuckles would have been perfect for the brawling parts of the game instead of the retarded werewolf.
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5227f5 No.16720300
>>16709703
What's that about forging evidence? Did I miss a lot by skipping Apollo Justice? I tried playing it a few times, but I could never push myself to even finish the first case.
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66c6fd No.16721175
>>16710050
Unfortunately, RE6 Leon felt more like a robot than a matured, experienced version of him.
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67c38c No.16721640
>>16710050
everyone in re is like this. even from the gameplay evolving, you get the sense that e everyone is getting more competent and jaded, but the humor riffing off of re 1 through 3 being so initially campy lends a human sense of everyone already having been a mature adult, and being more or less over this shit and having another day at the office, if a shitty one
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341b99 No.16721703
>>16720300
Phoenix made his daughter give Apollo forged evidence to win his case and have the man who framed him arrested.
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55c477 No.16725344
Silent Hill 1
>Gets winded a quickly
>Shoots like a leftie
>clearly passive
Silent Hill 3
>Gives his daughter a taser
>has managed to evade the order for years
>Might have killed someone already
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c9d155 No.16729646
>>16713856
Before Shadow was introduced, Knuckles was tricked into working for Eggman yet again in both Triple Trouble and Adventure. Adventure in particular, though, tried to make it seem more justified by highlighting his strong sense of duty, and making him come off almost like a monk or something. Just so happens that he was never particularly important in any game after that. He works fine in Adventure 2, but after that it's just Heroes, which barely has a story, and very small roles in Shadow and '06. But really, his arc is done. Knuckles was intricately tied with the Chaos Emerald/Master Emerald/Angel Island plot from the older games, and Adventure is the finale to that. Adventure 2 did change things story-wise by basically starting a new arc focused on Shadow. Once Shadow's arc was over in '06, that was the last we saw of him, too. Ever since, there have been no stories, so no characters to care about.
>>16713889
Meh. He was trying to save the universe. He was just very eager and overly sure of himself. He is very dumb.
>>16713904
>>16713932
Most of the entries are spinoffs of some sort. There are the three main ones on PS2, and Deadlocked is good but sort of a spinoff (a shooter instead of a platformer). There are like two and a half main ones on PS3 (Tools of Destruction and A Crack in Time. Into the Nexus was a shorter budget title but it is almost as big as the full games and is a good finale). The PSP ones are Ratchet on PSP. You should know what to expect from handheld spinoffs. They're shorter and on worse hardware. Secret Agent Clank is much better than Size Matters, though (SM is very short). I didn't mention Quest 4 Booty but it's basically standalone DLC and it's super short. All 4 One is a multiplayer spinoff. Full Frontal Assault is a tower defense spinoff (also sold as a budget release). The non-main entries are all okay as long as you go in knowing what they are.
>>16713998
To be fair, Jak 3 is about him learning not to be an edgy fag anymore. Shadow the Hedgehog kind of stole that, now that I'm thinking about it.
Metal Sonic is hindered as a rival by barely being a character. The majority of his appearances are in games that came out during the Sonic dark age between Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic Adventure, meaning a bunch of spinoffs. The other Sonic robots in the Genesis games are not Metal Sonic, and out of all the Sonic robots, Mecha Sonic from Sonic 3 & Knuckles has the most character by far, given that he becomes sentient and is the twist bad guy of Knuckles' story. In fact, they just stole this entire story and reused it for Heroes, but that time with Metal Sonic. I'm an autistic lorefag and I can argue that Metal Sonic has development, but it's very much something you must infer, and a lot of it is retconned in with Sonic 4.
>>16719867
Actually, you can say that Metal Sonic was overshadowed by the introduction of Knuckles seeing how Metal Sonic was Sonic's rival before Knuckles was introduced, like a year or so.
Metal Sonic also replaced Mighty. Mighty and Ray were really both totally replaced by Knuckles and Tails. I wish I could replace Ian Flynn on the Sonic comics so I could highlight this.
>And it's funny because his SA1/2 theme song says he wants to be more than that, but ever since then he barely have done more for that
Because Shadow and '06 are the only games with significant stories after that, and they're both basically about Shadow (and Silver but nobody cares about him). Sonic is a main character in each but he's a static character, and none of the other side characters have ever been particularly important ever again.
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86cdec No.16745676
>>16714255
How did his ghost grow hair?
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4fd83f No.16745731
>>16725344
>might
>someONE
Harry Mason almost definitely killed a few guys.
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36f3ea No.16745867
>>16710233
>When the protagonists find out the universe is in danger, their entire goal is to find Captain Qwark so he can save the day.
Clank's goal, you mean. Ratchet just kind of wants to go new places and fire off new weapons after nearly two decades on the dirtball of Veldin. Part of why he gets so bitter with Clank for the second third of the game; Clank's effectively dragging him through shit without having considered it could get them killed or that they're being set up, though to be fair he's not immediately privy to the true scope of Drek's dickery.
>idol
Maybe? I mean, he did have a poster of him in his garage, but maybe he just thought the guy looked cool when he was younger. He didn't seem the "idol worship" type, and simply told Clank that might be the guy he should try to find, and tagged along since he needed Clank to work his spaceship (and the later ships they come across too). He definitely got pissed over being fucked around with by Qwark though.
>but he's still not actually good at being a hero, so when a disgruntled employee steals the prototype, he has to hire Ratchet & Clank to get it back.
He seemed like he'd have been at least partially content if they got killed on the job, and repeatedly seems surprised they aren't. One could maybe say he's got plans in both directions, but it kind of goes against the idea if you're kind of hoping the guys you hired die without accomplishing the mission you need them for.
>They of course eventually find out about the plan and defeat him.
They only stop him last minute, the whole time thinking Fizwidget is simply unaware and/or senile. Note that they tend to refer to "Megacorp" as the problem, not him.
>And in the process it cements with the player that Qwark was a real superhero at one point.
Barely. Consider how many "based on a true story" works are heavily adapted; even the narrator calls horseshit on Qwark's claims. But it's true that Solana seemed to think highly enough of him, despite being an asshole and a buffoon.
>>16710234
>still desperate to prove that he's a good hero, when the protagonists get the superweapon macguffin, the Dimensionator, Qwark takes it and runs off, eager to be the one to destroy it by throwing it into a black hole. He is captured by the bad guy who then uses the superweapon. Qwark had good intentions though, so nobody cares
While still a glory hound, it's worth noting that he suckered up to Tachyon. Ostensibly to provide deep cover help, but more likely to save his own skin, as Ratchet calls him out on.
Granted, Qwark does become less malicious and more of a "good" guy in general as the series goes on, at the cost of getting dumber. He does still hate how Ratchet is far more heroic though, and does his best to try to steal credit like the gloryhound he is (and send him on shit missions when he's in charge, like "wading through waist deep raw sewage").
>>16713904
There's only five or six main games. Which isn't to say that at least some of the side ones aren't worth playing, but the main ones are more what fans are apt to look for.
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c1c0cd No.16745932
>>16745731
Was it ever confirmed that the "They look like monsters to you?" thing was not just Vincent fucking with Heather?
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3a5a00 No.16746128
>>16725344
>might
He killed a cultist that was looking for Cheryl, which is why he changed her name to Heather and started dyeing her hair blonde.
>>16745932
Not in one of the games that matters.
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a0f50f No.16750724
Was the first Apollo Justice a good game? I’m thinking about trading my copy of Luigi’s Mansion (3ds) for it as it would be an even swap. I figure I’ll get the Switch version of the trilogy and the physical copy of Apollo so long as it’s decent.
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34ea6b No.16750874
>>16750724
>Was the first Apollo Justice a good game?
It had the best, first trial, in the game, that's for sure, but it also had one of the worst cases in the series as well, tied with the circus case. Overall it's decent and you should definitely play it, if you are a fan of the series, but only after you have finished the original trilogy.
>Switch version of the trilogy
Don't the graphics are the shitty IOS ones, get an emulator and play the DS trilogy.
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c40025 No.16750952
>>16750874
>tied with the circus case
Why does everyone hates the circus case? I think it was great.
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8e3b77 No.16750992
>>16745676
Although he may have initially been bald due to a connection to his now long dead physical body, his identity is slowly being scrubbed to prepare for reincarnation. Being dead, Jiub's soul is currently in a manipulable dream state. He is dreaming of having a full head of hair.
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34ea6b No.16751037
>>16750952
Mostly because of the clown, and the fact that you will get penalized for using "Hold It" on him, on certain conversation topics.
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4e7af2 No.16751090
>>16750952
Long, stupid and cringy. Worst waifu ever I would turn my cock into a puppet, so I can marry him to her butthole. Not a single likable character. A fucking clown.
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c9d155 No.16751172
>>16745867
>He does still hate how Ratchet is far more heroic though, and does his best to try to steal credit like the gloryhound he is (and send him on shit missions when he's in charge, like "wading through waist deep raw sewage").
I always saw that not as hatred for Ratchet, but just not really thinking about the shit he sends him to do, or at worst, not wanting to do the worst stuff himself, so he pawns it off on his friend.
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25e46b No.16757962
>>16709703
By the way… Thank you, faggot, for intriguing me enough to finish Apollo Justice. I hated the first trial and that retarded gimmick, but the final trial I liked almost as the Godot's one. It all tied neatly in the end. And probably the best thing about the final trial was that it was all about Phoenix in the end, and not that faggy looking excuse for a placeholder plot device protagonist.
Also fuck you for the non spoiled spoilers. But thanks still.
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36f3ea No.16759682
>>16751172
Consider how Ratchet chews him out for putting him and Clank in unnecessary danger in a way that could jeopardize the entire overall goal in Tools of Destruction (I think it was), followed by his response.
>"Are you trying to help us, or get us killed?"
>"Why can't it be both?"
Humorous to the player, but not so much to Ratchet. Qwark knows what he's doing, and probably has plans enough for if Ratchet succeeds or dies to either try to take credit, or at the very least, live.
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55c6d6 No.16759958
>>16750874
Cool, I traded it in today. That’ll probably be my last transaction with gamestop ever. Didn’t have the case but the cartridge looked pristine, so good enough.
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5245a5 No.16761699
>>16750992
Is he like a summoner Danny Phantom?
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a0806a No.16764325
>>16757962
I literally didn't understand the thing with the final trial
IIRC they implement a new justice system where it's about people deciding who's guilty instead of the judge, but then in Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice it's like that shit never happened
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bc729b No.16764465
>>16750724
It has good musics
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ffe2ba No.16764945
>>16709703
<Resident Evil 1
>gives a shit about his team and once he finds out Wesker was behind everything he berates him for being autistic
<Resident Evil 2
>despite only being an extra character, it still shows how much experience he had with weapons, thanks to him maintaining his stance after firing a shotgun (unlike Leon)
<Resident Evil 3
>disappears to go take down Umbrella to avenge his comrades, and everybody left decides to follow him
>this even shows why Umbrella wasn't able to track him down for a few months in 1998, as both Jill and Claire were having trouble finding him
<CVX
>drops everything to go save his autistic sister, doesn't even hesitate when he loses his bag of weapons
>gets his ass beat by the resurrected Wesker
<Resident Evil 5
>after CVX he got /fit/ so he'd be a match for super powered Wesker
>doesn't work with teams after losing Jill back in 2006
>when he sees Sheva in a similar situation as Jill, he does whatever he can to help her instead of letting Wesker take another one of his partners
>also, all that added muscle did help him take down Wesker
<Resident Evil 6
>finally working with teams again, but this time his entire team dies and he gets PTSD from the whole situation
>thanks to the only other survivor, Piers, he's able to recover
>when the same events happen and this time Piers sacrifices himself to save Chris, Chris doesn't forget his sacrifice and keeps moving forward
<Vendetta
>Leon is going through the same shit as Chris, and logically they should've worked through that together, but Vendetta was fucking shit
<7
>Chris still hates Umbrella
It's not much, but it's very clear that he's the biggest Team Player in all of RE. Despite hating Umbrella, he still gave a shit when those nameless soldiers got killed by Lucas.
Can't wait for RE8 and we get to see where Chris goes next. Hopefully his team doesn't die for a fifth time.
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c68405 No.16768089
Almost all of the main characters in Yakuza get some hearty development, but the character progression on Majima from Yakuza 0 to Yakuza 6 is certainly something.
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e37ddc No.16768098
>>16764325
It was a trial run, to see how efficient the system could be. Even if they decided it was a good system, it would still take years for politicians to vote, and for the legislature to take into effect, as they would need a few years for transition.
Of course Phoenix didn't care about that, he worked really hard to perform the trial run, just to fuck up with Gavin, that' all he cared about, the means justifies the end.
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9a0094 No.16768200
>>16768089
Shame you hardly saw him at all in Yakuza 6.
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50bace No.16768522
If we're already on that train, are there any games where your enemies actively become afraid of you the further you level up?
The only thing I can remember from the top of my head was Halo Grunts shitting their pants when you encounter them in the later parts of the game.
It can of bothers me that you can be the big goddamn hero with the Infinite Sword of Killing+1 and full plate armor with more menacing spikes than should physically be able to fit on top of it, but most games still have Lvl. 1 mooks blindly attacking you.
The special speech checks in New Vegas where you could make the other guy shit a brick were pretty hilarious because they went into the opposite direction, especially when you acutally were way weaker than the guy you were intimidating,
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