ed60b8 No.16706923
Let's have a thread for the swan song of good gaming that the sixth generation was.
Back then the SJWs were rightly mocked, the judaism that is DLCs, microtransactions, and such was only possible on the xbox and even there it was not mainstream, and–believe it or not–gaming related companies were actually about games.
The PS2 had games as far as the eye could see, without SJW censorship. You were allowed to trash-talk and teabag on Live. Nintendo's localization studios weren't infected with the pozz yet and released solid first party games.
All in all it was a much better time to game than these dark days we live now.
What were your best games of the time and favorite memories of the sixth generation?
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5b29cf No.16706968
>>16706923
>Nintendo's localization studios weren't infected with the pozz yet
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e753a4 No.16706974
>>16706968
At the very least, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now
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b4452c No.16706975
Playing rainbow six 3 with friends on xbox live, i remember whenwe first got it and my friends and I would all add eachother on our friendslists. Then halo 2 came out and we all played the living shit out of that.
I remember everyone calling eachother fag and nigger and cunt and all kikds of names. It was alot better than the shit we deal with today.
Then theres SC chaos theroy which was the game I would play long into the xbox 360s lifespan. I still have fond memories of playing it with some of the best friends Ive ever made.
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580c3e No.16707001
>tfw have all 4 with at least some means to pirate i don't have a gdemu for my dreamcast yet so i use that serial port sd card reader that barely works so i have to decide which version of multiplats to play
Seems like Xbox is better for that overall, but there's always those games with weird changes for each port.
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b4827d No.16707020
6th gen best gen
bow down to the best controller ever made
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b4827d No.16707028
I am an original Xbox expert
Ask me anything
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f4199d No.16707038
>>16706923
The PS2 was tremendously overrated and the dreamcast was far superior
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21b0c4 No.16707045
>>16706968
Paper Mario TTYD had a tranny removed from the US version. These days they'd probably add one.
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21b0c4 No.16707047
>>16707020
It sure did, pic related.
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020a4d No.16707049
>>16707045
Just as bad both ways. Localization should not change plot or basic character traits.
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2db6e5 No.16707054
>Rogue Squadron 3 still not playable on Dolphin
At least 2 works now.
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339644 No.16707072
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f4d140 No.16707091
Sixth gen was shit. While fifth gen started the decline of many franchises and genres, sixth gen was the gen where they outright disappeared from existence and were replaced with shooters of one variety or another. Every genre was consolidated into one or two archetypes and nothing could stray from it anymore. At least fifth gen, due to the nature of 3D gaming being new, was still experimental so we got some creativity at the very least. The only fun games gen six birthed were the rest of the Silent Hill tetralogy.
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9073b4 No.16707095
>>16707091
Based and fourthgenpilled. GC/PS2/DC were all shit with no good games.
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f4d140 No.16707105
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5caeb1 No.16707158
>PS2
>no censorship
And this is how you can spot someone extremely new to games. There absolutely was censorship during the PS2 era. The only difference between then and now is that the target of censors has shifted from gun violence and anything related to children to anything that a straight male might find enjoyable.
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b4827d No.16707166
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d5a7f4 No.16707201
6th gen was pretty good overall, it did start sometrends that were jewish. However, I felt especially for portable gaming this was good. GBA and PSP have been the best form factors for a handheld ever, and they had a lot of great games released overall. In terms of the four home consoles, I've always had a special like for the GC, but the PS2 bar none has the best library. Can't say anything about the Xbox, but I know that the Dreamcast would be sucessful if everyone who is making games collections for it bought it then.
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c3d3ab No.16707206
Posting the five objectively best games of the 6th generation.
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f4199d No.16707225
>>16707072
Nope. Shovelware out the ass and exclusives that became multiplat once contracts expired. Made the Wii's shovelware look good in comparison. Sony bought into success with their contracts.
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b4827d No.16707239
>>16707206
I have no opinion on any of these games but
>Wind Waker
that's how you start a war on this board
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198925 No.16707270
Those splash screens on boot. Delicious.
I miss waking up at 4am to get a few hours of alone time with Metroid Prime before school.
I miss staying up late with friends playing Halo while my dog sneaks in to snatch the pizza off the coffee table while nobody's looking.
I miss Mega Man Legends.
I miss video games.
I miss my mom.
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4f0249 No.16707319
>>16707047
The DC had the single shittiest controller known to man. Fucking thing felt like a fisher price toy and was not designed for human hands. Having the grips point inwards was retarded, the analog stick not having any rubber on it at all was retarded, the D pad was unresponsive shit, even the start button felt unresponsive, and the chord coming out the bottom of it was icing on the turd sundae that was the DC controller.
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8266af No.16707392
Reminder not to reply to the niggerpill, just report and ignore
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57f9e2 No.16707442
>>16707206
Devil May Cry 3: SE > Wind Waker
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2a04dd No.16707577
Does anybody know where to get any good gamecube controllers? Bought a couple on Amazon but both of them don't work in the first controller slot so pretty useless for me. Both work in the other controller slots just not the first. Have an official one that still works in that slot but it is about as old as the console itself.
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57f9e2 No.16707787
>>16707319
the N64 controller was worse.
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db8e4e No.16707851
>>16707825
>>16707821
>>16707814
I've been playing EDF 5 nonstop for two weeks now.
There are still plenty of good games out there, mainstream marketed shit simply isn't anymore, but thankfully AAA shitters are sticking to their 1-2 Golden gooses and will soon be irrelevant and dead.
EA will soon be FIFA and Sims only with 2/3rds of it's staff.
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1e8414 No.16707877
>>16707049
>just as bad both ways
>taking out a sexual deviant in a kids game is just as bad as adding one in
This is like some kind of retarded version of horseshoe theory
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ea6155 No.16707906
>>16707877
How about you play something else then? Censorship apologist.
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77e740 No.16710178
>>16707787
One of the worst things about the n64 today isn't just the obtusely shaped controller, but that it's mismatched handle size causes you to hold it diagonally resulting in an unnatural feel of the analog where your forward becomes a diagonal forward-left. Its truly an awful controller.
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020a4d No.16710207
>>16707877
> Excusing censorship
You're in the wrong place. There may be a bunch of christfags here, but even most of them are anti-censorship. Take your moral indignation back to Reddit.
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52815f No.16710227
The 00's were the golden decade of gaming, not the 90's as some like to claim, simply because of 2004 and 2007 alone. Prove me wrong.
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961716 No.16710243
>>16707095
Fourth gen was patient zero modern gaming tier cancer. Nintendo vs Sega was essentially the same as console wars nowadays, brainwashing stupid american children like (You) with shiny graphix and tossing gameplay aside.
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3aeee1 No.16710252
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>Dreamcast was an arcade fighting game paradise
>They used to make fighting games for people who actually enjoyed playing them
>They weren't pozzed to death with esports cancer
>Games weren't super hardcore or super casual, had aspects that you could enjoy at any level of play
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232684 No.16710257
>>16707851
>I've been playing EDF 5 nonstop for two weeks now.
It's on Steam and has DLC unreleased yet in the game, the total cost of which is more than the game. What a terrible example.
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b37720 No.16710266
>>16707028
how do you emulate xbox games?
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b37720 No.16710273
>>16710252
i remember that one time, when I was a child, i had a demo disc with a bunch of dreamcast games that included powerstone
i really liked that game; was it good, /v/?
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5933ec No.16710280
>>16707158
Don't forget how Sony actively refused to allow 2D games like Metal Slug on the console in the west unless they were in a collection because they thought it would make the console look bad for some reason.
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5933ec No.16710286
>>16706968
Btw, they were. Treehouse was founded for Animal Crossing, and Wind Waker was when they started making major script changes to the Zelda games for "localization" reasons.
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ce65ac No.16710311
>>16707028
any multiplats that are noticeably better/worse on eggs box?
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77e740 No.16710326
>>16710311
Most are better, so far the only weak link i found was gta sa having bad framerate issues on some flight missions. This makes the ps2 version better in that case.
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b4827d No.16710348
>>16710266
I've had no problems with DXBX, it's very similar to a PC so I don't see why it's so difficult. It's nowhere near the hardware-voodoo-mindfuck that is the PS2 and PS3
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810c31 No.16710360
>>16707877
>Using the muh chillins argument
Where do you think we are?
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3aeee1 No.16710426
>>16710273
It was excellent.
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37fe3c No.16710742
>>16707877
>Strictly Anti-Censorship, NO EXCEPTIONS.
>"Wow you're a fenceshitter amirite"
Fuck off.
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a003bd No.16710876
Looking back, the best thing about these consoles was that they couldn't readily connect to the internet, which meant that publishers couldn't Jew you as hard as they wanted to. Products had to ship feature and content complete, lest they pay for a costly recall.
>>16707270
I empathize with this post deeply.
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922a96 No.16710887
I've been going back to play OG Xbox racing games, I miss when NFS was good.
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6e76c6 No.16711157
Starting to collect sixth gen and older games. Trying to enjoy them before my CRT explodes, or if it hopefully lasts forever.
>>16707028
I've found my Xbox powered on twice, in the span of a couple of months. And playing SNK EO it suddenly shut down, although after a while it was back up running fine. Could it be dust, etc?
>>16707206
I remember staying up days awake with my friend playing CvS2, we stayed up 5 days straight one time. Shit was cash, he had a Gamecube with the occasional other friends lending us PS2/Xbox. Those were the days man.
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b37720 No.16711177
>>16710348
oh now i remember, it was the 360 that that ledditor turned into a PC
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b4827d No.16711180
>only had a GBA growing up
>played the shit out of Mario Kart: Super Circuit
>friends that would come visit their grandparent's house once or twice a month had a Gamecube for them
>enjoyed those rare days in the summer when I'd get to play Double Dash
>loved the gameplay, loved the GRAFICS, favorite track was the one city level when it's midnight
>played it again on Dolphin couple years ago at max settings, memories come flooding back
I manged to get in touch with them a few months back, one of them is drawing deviantart-tier creatures. But I lost contact with them again since I deleted my Faceberg account, haven't seen them since.
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b4827d No.16711182
>>16711177
DO NOT INVOKE HIS NAME
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16dd81 No.16711216
>>16707319
Still an improvement over the Saturn analog controller. The Gamecube d-pad is probably the worst of all time, though.
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ad71c8 No.16711219
>>16711177
It's okay, the dev kit would have had no useful information to help on emulation, but it does a great job of pissing off /v/irgins whod on't know any better.
>>16711216
the saturn 3d pad is better. more buttons, better stick.
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16dd81 No.16711240
>>16711219
>the saturn 3d pad is better. more buttons, better stick.
It was made from a slippery plastic and the lack of ridges caused wrist cramps.
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ad71c8 No.16711246
>>16711240
>It was made from a slippery plastic
it has a matte finish
> lack of ridges
You never used it.
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16dd81 No.16711250
>>16711246
>it has a matte finish
Irrelevant to the quality of plastic used in manufacture.
>You never used it.
Nice argument.
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ad71c8 No.16711258
>>16711250
>Irrelevant to the quality of plastic used in manufacture.
so high quality?
>Nice argument.
don't need one any more, you literally think it's a disc with no handles.
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16dd81 No.16711283
>>16711258
>so high quality?
Lower than DC's and comparable with N64's.
>don't need one any more, you literally think it's a disc with no handles.
The most you could've inferred from that is that I think the grip is bad because the ridges are lacking compared to DC's controller.
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ad71c8 No.16711286
>>16711283
>comparable with N64's.
oh god no, do you know how brittle they are? N64 pads are not thick plastic, they have too many fracture points and will easily crack upon screws that are tightened even a half turn beyond stock. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>The most you could've inferred from that is that I think the grip is bad because the ridges are lacking compared to DC's controller.
they're a different shape. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
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16dd81 No.16711325
>>oh god no, do you know how brittle they are? N64 pads are not thick plastic, they have too many fracture points and will easily crack upon screws that are tightened even a half turn beyond stock. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm not talking about thickness, but how slippery the material is when held. You know that, don't you?
>>they're a different shape. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
You're slowly getting there. By being a different shape, they can be more or less conducive to cramping when gripped. What's more, different shapes can even be compared!
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092b28 No.16712803
>>16706923
I mained PS2 at the time. I actually went back and played a bunch of the games I used to play on emulator. American Wasteland brought back some deep fucking nostalgia.
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092b28 No.16712809
>>16711219
>It's okay, the dev kit would have had no useful information to help on emulation
<so it's ok to destroy a piece of history
Eat shit and bury yourself in it.
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652735 No.16714649
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90835b No.16714676
>>16707091
You are completely wrong.
The number of games that were amazing in that generation are numbered in the hundreds if not thousands.
TimesSplitters
Super Mario Sunshine
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Metal Gear Solid 3
Gladius
Shadow of the Colossus
Pikmin
Super Smash Bros Melee
Sly Cooper
I could go on.
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82b8ca No.16714683
>>16711157
Open up your Xbox and blow out all the dust, especially around the PSU. and replace the thermal paste while you're at it
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92aed3 No.16714705
>>16714676
Thousands is exaggerating, maybe up to a thousand if you count flash games, pc releases and mods.
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580c3e No.16714854
>>16714705
He said AMAZING, it can't be more than like 100
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c13b50 No.16714882
Friendly reminder the Gamecube was the strongest 6th gen console running Tales of Symphonia at 60 fps no problem while Soyny can't even go above 30 fps
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580c3e No.16714912
>>16714882
That game wasn't on Xbox. In terms of hardware it's
Xbox > Dreamcast > Gamecube > PS2
Right?
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326b3c No.16714919
>>16714912
GC is more powerful then Dreamcast
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55b2e3 No.16716569
>>16706923
PS2
>Strong exclusive library
>Stellar controller
>Lots of experimentation going on, including things like MMO's on a console
>long, healthy lifespan, good games were being released for it all the way up until 2009
>inferior visuals, most multiplat games suffered with crappy sound and lower framerates
>free online play
>relatively easy to softmod
Gamecube
>Great controller
>Very strong exclusive lineup
>Tons of great, sometimes experimental peripherals like the GBA link cable and the DK Bongos
>Stellar controller with a unique, comfy layout yet to be properly-replicated
>Excellent hardware, graphics could rival and even surpass the Xbox sometimes
>Basically nonexistant online play
Xbox
>Superior visuals and hardware, multiplats were almost always best on Xbox if not PC
>Great features like built-in hard drive, very easy to softmod
>Underrated exclusive lineup
>Underrated controller, the duke fucking rules
>Amazing online play… but unfortunately you had to pay for it
Dreamcast
>Stellar exclusive lineup, especially considering its short lifespan
>Ahead of the curve with online play, innovating with features Xbox players would take for granted
>Broken copy protection mean piracy and homebrew are possible out of the box unless you have one of the last-run models
>Honestly pretty good hardware, graphics could even surpass the PS2 in some cases
>Controller honestly kind of sucks… but the VMU was a great concept
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ad71c8 No.16716578
>>16714919
In some ways, it's not an across the board step up. Gamecube was powerful at very very simple 3D that would be more in alignment with what was pushing 3D in 1998/1999, much less forward thinking than the PS2 and of course much less modern than the Xbox.
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8fb289 No.16716579
>>16714912
How young or stupid are you to think the dreamcast outperformed the gamecube? The few dreamcast games ported to the GC had graphical updates thrown in for no reason, because it was no effort.
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7c8345 No.16716597
>>16716569
You summarised very good. Nice post.
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ad71c8 No.16716637
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>>16716579
>The few dreamcast games ported to the GC had graphical updates
not entirely, the gamecube was lacking severely in some areas.
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06a7e0 No.16716667
>>16714912
No.
>>16716578
You have no idea what you're talkig about. Just stfu.
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092b28 No.16720763
>>16716667
Describe and explain you fucking faggot.
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98f8e9 No.16737652
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d82f1d No.16737802
>the swan song of good gaming
from a console perspective, that's very true. i don't know enough about the xbox to say for sure, but the ps2 and the gamecube definitely had more worthwhile exclusive games on them within the first year or two of their lifespans than any of the current gen systems have today, and the dreamcast had a fucking astounding number of arcade ports to fill out its library nicely. you could pick the absolute cream of the crop from these systems and end up spending hundreds of hours playing through them. it was the last generation that devs would be able to stand out by making the best use of the hardware they possibly could, whereas nowadays there's enough power to cover up a lack of code optimization and excessive poly counts. games were still a big money industry, but fuck me if they didn't seem like they put more resources into the actual fucking game itself than the marketing as it is today.
>>16710876
>Products had to ship feature and content complete, lest they pay for a costly recall.
couldn't agree more. the current state of gaming is so fucking embarrassing from a software development standpoint that i don't know how it's possible for devs to be able to take any pride in the games they've "finished".
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ad71c8 No.16737808
>>16716667
Already proved you wrong, no need to get so uppity
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b4827d No.16737883
>>16716569
>Gamecube
>Excellent hardware, graphics could rival and even surpass the Xbox sometimes
Gamecube was the weakest of the bunch by far (except the Dreamcast, maybe), name one game on the Cube that looks better than it's PS2 or Xbox counterpart
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0b7f87 No.16737907
>>16716569
>>16737883
Gamecube has excellent hardware compared to the next three nintendo consoles, especially this PoS switch that can't decide whether it wants to be a handheld or not.
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06a7e0 No.16737913
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763326 No.16737945
>>16737883
Sonic Heroes looks best on the 'cube
the gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, but didn't have some of the niceties of the PS2's architecture (like the ability to completely blank and refill VRAM every frame)
impressively enough, the gamecube didn't use material files, which makes no fucking sense. As a result, gamecube emulation has to generate material files on the fly (a problem when instantiating explosions) or precompile them at game launch
when it comes down to it how good games looked in gen 6 came down to artistic direction and what tricks the developer was able to pull off, and the PS2's later library looked fantastic while the gamecube's and xbox's kind of had no where to go in terms of graphical fidelity
to quote a friend of mine, xbox games use bumpmapping to make textures more interesting while PS2 games use more interesting textures
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ad71c8 No.16737952
>>16737945
The Xbox would use bump mapping, the PS2 would layer 16 textures to get a parallax effect at no real performance hit.
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55b2e3 No.16739823
>>16737883
Resident Evil 4 and Sonic games were best on Gamecube. The only disadvantage it had was the mini-DVD format which limited storage space, not entirely unlike the N64. Most devs would just put their games on two discs to work around this if necessary but some genres like open world were more difficult to pull off. It's said that GTA San Andreas would likely have not been able to play on the Gamecube even if Rockstar wanted to port it as the devs would have to put the game on three or four discs and you'd have to swap discs constantly as you're navigating the open world since it leveraged streaming from a high-capacity DVD for the world size.
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52a373 No.16746465
>>16716579
Skies of Arcadia looks better on Dreamcast though.
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c4c763 No.16746471
>>16737883
Literally any game that was on both the PS2 and GameCube would look better on the GameCube. As for Xbox, that guy's claim is stretching it.
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dc48f4 No.16746493
Xbox was the most powerful, then Gamecube, and last was the PS2.
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613a53 No.16746583
>>16739823
speaking of Sonic games, would you say Mega Collection on gamecube is better or worse than Mega Collection Plus on PS2 and Xbox?
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f2c008 No.16746654
>>16714912
>In terms of hardware
<Dreamcast isn't last in the list
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8ee820 No.16746665
The Gamecube and the Xbox both used fully programmable shaders and were both technologically superior to the PS2. But in some ways the PS2 I think had a higher fillrate and throughput. However this might just have been because the PS2 was still largely a T&L based rendering pipeline and could leverage more direct rendering pipelines if done correctly. Again, this doesn't mean it was better than the GameCube or Xbox, it was technically the weakest console, but it's also not that easy to compare it to the more general fully programmable shader based machines.
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04603a No.16747096
>>16746583
Hard to say on that one I've only ever played the Gamecube version.
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ad71c8 No.16747111
>>16746583
they all kind of sucked but the gamecube version was the worst one with some really blurry output and input lag.
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59dab1 No.16747162
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>>16746465
>Skies of Arcadia looks better on Dreamcast though.
It sounds much better too, video related.
It seems the original used a sound engine provided by a company that had gone bankrupt, so they had to convert it to a different sound engine in a hurry.
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4cc58e No.16747187
>>16706923
Too bad I missed out on the PS2 in its heydays. I didn't really get into handheld and console gaming until secondary school (this was back in 2006). I would eventually buy one in 2011 because I just wanted to play Odin Sphere so badly, which was a fantastic game. I also bought Okami, Persona 4 and Killer 7, which all were great games too. I recently picked up GrimGrimoire and am still thinking about picking up a couple of RPGs before they become too rare to find at a decent price.
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e2a905 No.16747235
Sixth gen hardware was a complete shitshow. Why did Silicon Graphics have to die?
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ad71c8 No.16747240
>>16747235
SGI sucked cock and the N64 was god awful.
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e2a905 No.16747251
>>16746665
Gamecube's Flipper was a fixed function GPU but the stages of the pipeline were configurable enough to make it surprisingly versatile. Xbox was just an expensive gayman PC branded as a console, you can even replace the CPU with a different off the shelf Celeron.
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92aed3 No.16747311
>>16747187
> I recently picked up GrimGrimoire and am still thinking about picking up a couple of RPGs before they become too rare to find at a decent price.
Who fucking cares, I owned consoles years after release too and never wanted to be a collectornigger, I just pirated shit.
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59dab1 No.16747488
>>16747235
>Why did Silicon Graphics have to die?
Same reason why Nokia almost did as well: pants-on-head retarded management, including a CEO who was very likely a Microsoft mole.
>own best 3d graphics suite
<port it to other platforms
>have best GUI-based Unix
<make WinNT machines
>make high-end MIPS chips
<adopt untried Intel chips
https://vizworld.com/tag/sgi-bts/
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652735 No.16747663
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87b013 No.16747751
>>16747663
>Faggot didn't change the Gamecube menu
Also, the dreamcast was so ahead of it's time that I hardly consider it sixth gen. Never had an original xbox, though, and it's the first time I see the boot, that's fucking cool
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652735 No.16747798
>>16747751
What the fuck do you mean, "change the Gamecube menu"?
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c85a48 No.16747991
>>16706923
Dreamcast: very unpopular in my area, only saw and tried one. It seemed good but expensive. I might be interested in a mini-dreamcast if they ever release one since I never played it or the games.
Gamecube: Best designed console ever. Few games.
Xbox: Better graphics than the PS2, better in every way save for the games. Mine still works whereas the my 2nd PS2 does not…
PS2: Lots of games, still was a let down compared to the PS1 library though. My PS1 still works, I went thru 2 PS2s.
Overall the generation was the start of the decline of video games though still a good gen. The fifth generation clearly stands as the best still to this day– the last of the golden age. Though packed with very good games, they were already borrowing from the past. Some bright stars for the Xbox like KOTOR and PC ports seemed to outshine the best rpgs for the PS2.
Anyways best and most fun games for me and the ones I replayed or played the most were:
GTA III series
PC ports like Deus Ex
King's Field AC
Shadow Hearts Series
Persona and SMT rpgs.
Hot Shots Golf 3– the last great golf game.
Unlimited Saga– too hard for most panned by cuck journos but a complete mystery of mechanics to solve which just happens to be my bag.
Overrated: Halo series, FF series
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c15477 No.16748313
>have 30 PS2 games
don't know what to play
I'm torn between Persona 3 FES and Nocturne
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c85a48 No.16748371
>>16748313
Nocturne is more serious, Persona more stylish and both good games. I'd go with Nocturne last as it is the better of the two.
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8dbbee No.16748393
>>16747991
>Unlimited SaGa
manofculture.jpg
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ea6155 No.16749366
>>16747162
It sounds worse because they had to compress the sound to fit the game on the disc.
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34e8d2 No.16749465
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>>16746471
nfsmw, gc version looks like a cartoon with no shadows
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d9b3db No.16749926
>>16746471
>>16716569
>>16737883
Literally all 4 of the 6th gen console could do things the other could not
And minus the DC all 3 could completely outdo each other provided the game was made purely with one console in mind first and foremost
Multiplat are basically trying to fit a square peg in a round hole in that gen because each of the hardware had very different approach to doing things under the hood and when publishers decided it wasn't worth the effort to do the job well you got things like RE4 on PS2 or >>16749465,
But it goes deeper than that and you'll end up seeing very small differences that might or might not be relevant, like for example 007 Nightfire, PS2 has a few effects neither of the other version have, and the XBOX has lower load times but the GC has a more stable framerate overall, shit gets complicated real fast and it's not not as simple as "X console is best in every cases".
And that's before you factor in emulation on top of that.
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6fb6a4 No.16749932
>>16747663
PS1>xbox>gamecube>dreamcast>>>>shit>ps2
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652735 No.16749989
>>16749932
By calling the PlayStation the PS1, your authority on the matter is highly dubious. The PSX has little purpose with the PS2's backwards compatibility (with enhancements, no less) existing. While the system did kick the shit out of Nintendo and Sega for entirely separate reasons in each case, I cannot say that it is objectively superior to the next generation of consoles. Everything is good in its own way, when used properly, and has already been explained, multiplats are seldom a true indicator of a system's strengths, due to the mandate for parity across the platforms with such titles.
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092b28 No.16750020
>>16749989
>By calling the PlayStation the PS1, your authority on the matter is highly dubious
Nigger it's easier to type. Holy fuck.
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652735 No.16750060
>>16750020
S is right next to X, faggot.
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7c40ea No.16750079
>>16737952
Oh yeah, that shitty polygon shell hair that looked really amazing at 10 FPS.
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6771c1 No.16750095
>>16749926
There's isn't a single thing ps2 could do that the other two couldn't. The reverse isn't true. Some multiplatform devs did put vastly more effort on the ps2 version, sonce that's where they thought they could get more sales, than the gc sku, which was seen as an afterthought. The GC has superior HW specs, as games like Rebel Strike, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX and Resident Evil 4 demonstrate, which could never run on a ps2 without serious downgrades.
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2d5633 No.16750107
>>16750020
Just write PS then.
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6fb6a4 No.16750112
>>16749989
i was referring to the boot animations, you turbosperg
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652735 No.16750116
>>16750112
The PS2 boot animation changes based on how many files you have on your memory card(s), so if nothing else, it at least changes. Seeing the original PSX boot sequence gets tiresome, as it always takes about half a minute before you get the actual game's first screens to come up. Of course, if you never played the damn thing every day, it would seem impressive.
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6fb6a4 No.16750122
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>>16750116
no, its so good because its very similar to the THX sound effect, and everytime i booted it up as a kid it was awesome
the reality is that you have always been a little sperg and couldnt wait the 17 (SEVENTEEN) seconds to play a game. Are you still so ADHD that you NEED everything to boot up fast? i bet you are the type of 'tism to skip cutscenes and not understand where are you supposed to go.
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ad71c8 No.16750136
>>16750060
It's still PS1, not PSX
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d9b3db No.16750149
>>16750095
>There's isn't a single thing ps2 could do that the other two couldn't
Even just reading this thread proves you wrong.
Just the GS by itself is miles ahead either of the other console GPUs by being able to bruteforce some fairly crazy shit through raw power alone, and even today the rest of the industry is catching up, see megatextures, blending in general and mesh shaders
>The GC has superior HW specs
Not really no, especially when you do something more than read the spec sheet and besides it all comes to nothing when the Mini DVDs force you to dedicate resources to handle the shortcomings of it.
>as games like Rebel Strike, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX and Resident Evil 4 demonstrate
So it's not like the PS2 doesn't have visually and technically impressive titles that are no less impressive than those you named
Rebel Strike has Factor 5, that's basically cheating, no other devs even come close nor care as much about doing something technically impressive
>which could never run on a ps2 without serious downgrades.
Let's see ZOE2, MGS2/3, Gran Autismo 3/4 running on a GC then.
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1a1628 No.16750152
>>16750136
There's a lot that says otherwise.
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ad71c8 No.16750153
>>16750149
RAM in the GC was also really really really really slow.
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ad71c8 No.16750155
>>16750152
Don't care, PSX became something else, PS1 sounds better, and everyone you just posted was retarded and had nothing to do with what I just said.
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1a1628 No.16750179
>>16750155
The point is that it's officially abbreviated "PSX" and calling it the PS1 is only your personal preference.
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6771c1 No.16750211
>>16750149
>Even just reading this thread proves you wrong.
Not really
>Just the GS by itself is miles ahead either of the other console GPU
Which is why every single multiplatform game looked and ran worse than on the other two consoles. A few lazy ports and degraded effects where the devs didn't bother properly translating from ps2 frankensteinian architecture notwithstanding.
>Not really no, especially when you do something more than read the spec sheet
Yes really, yes. You literally can't argue against cold hard technical specifications. I'm also looking at games themselves. Which were always inferior on ps2.
>So it's not like the PS2 doesn't have visually and technically impressive titles that are no less impressive than those you named
Those games wouldn't make it to ps2 without major sacrifices is my point. And yes, there's not a single game on ps2 that's as technically impressive as Rogue Leader, a launch game.
>Rebel Strike has Factor 5, that's basically cheating, no other devs even come close nor care as much about doing something technically impressive
Naughty Dog, Studio Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Squaresoft, Criterion, Team Ico. Come on.
>Let's see ZOE2, MGS2/3, Gran Autismo 3/4 running on a GC then
Those games would run just fine on GC. We already have examples of multiplatform games running vastly better on gc hardware than they ever could on ps2. Resident Evil 4 being the most famous one(when devs actually tried).
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ad71c8 No.16750215
>>16750179
>officially
no, and PS1 is the default by virtue of the PSX existing and being something entirely different
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68cf70 No.16750218
>>16750152
>caring about "games journalism" even in the '90s
>what journos call it makes it "official"
>thinking internet access was particularly widespread, and those nerds didn't just ape stuff from magazines, which only retards would buy anyway
Of course the counterargument just comes down to the fact that me and my friends never heard it called PSX.
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ad71c8 No.16750219
>>16750211
Squaresoft was definitely really impressive.
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6fb6a4 No.16750220
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059150 No.16750252
>>16750219
God I miss what game visuals used to look like before they got the everloving shit smeared out of them with pointless filters and such that make the game look like ass and fucks the framerate to hell. Everything is so crisp and clear in that screenshot, it's so wonderful being able to actually see what the fuck I'm looking at for a change.
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d9b3db No.16750255
>>16750211
>Which is why every single multiplatform game looked and ran worse than on the other two consoles
Not when the port was from the PS2 to another platform, see SH2 / MGS2, which further proves my point that if you develop the game for a console in particular it's gonna be better on that console just like with RE4
> You literally can't argue against cold hard technical specifications
t is and always was retarded to compare two entirely different architecture through spec sheet numbers, it's not like it's the only example of why that's retarded you just have to look at the Cell BE both managing to come very close to the best workstations the best workstations at the time in some tasks and getting it's shit kicked in by the Wii CPU in other tasks.
>Naughty Dog, Studio Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Squaresoft, Criterion, Team Ico. Come on.
None of those compare to Factor 5, not even remotely close, maybe Naughty Dog but their PS2 games are unstable as fuck so they're still behind, granted that happened because Nintendo gave them some real access to the hardware.
Factor 5 is on such a level that even when they do dumb system apps it's absolutely insane under the hood.
You also forgot Namco, Konami and Squaresoft if you wanted to name devs that did impressive things with the PS2
>Those games would run just fine on GC.
>DVD9 games
>running just fine on GC
Nope, not even remotely close.
>We already have examples of multiplatform games running vastly better on gc hardware than they ever could on ps2. Resident Evil 4 being the most famous one(when devs actually tried).
The logic of your example is retarded, you wanna why?
RE4 runs better on GC / Wii than it does on every single other platform minus the last HD version on PC / PS4 / Xbone (and even then it's still missing stuff), RE4 is literally the primary example for lazy shit ports because all of them are shit and lazy outside of the Wii one.
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ad71c8 No.16750324
>>16750255
technical specs almost never really matter, it's all about about how well the hardware can be optimized for and what it can really do when focused on. As good as the Saturn is, it being more powerful than the PS1 on paper did it no favors. The N64 as well, despite being several times more powerful than the PS1 at the end of the day the PS1 got more impressive games that ran better too.
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cf32b2 No.16750383
>>16750255
>Not when the port was from the PS2 to another platform, see SH2 / MGS2, which further proves my point that if you develop the game for a console in particular it's gonna be better on that console just like with RE4
Those two games are nothing like the RE4 ps2 port. The Xbox version of those two games only had downgraded fog/rain effects, due to the devs not taking the effort to properly translate or recreate those effects on the xbox gpu. Literally everything else was the same or superior, including the lighting in the XB version of SH2, which was pixel based instead of vertex like in the ps2. In contrast the re4 ps2 port was a major downgrade all across the board, with much, much lower polygon count, much lower resolution textures, worse/missing ligthing effects, lower color palette, worse image quality, lower number of enemies on screen, worse particle effects and worse framerate. And you cant accuse capcom of being lazy here when they added extra content and a whole new chapter to the game.
>None of those compare to Factor 5, not even remotely close, maybe Naughty Dog but their PS2 games are unstable as fuck so they're still behind, granted that happened because Nintendo gave them some real access to the hardware.
There's no cheating or dev magic here. The gc/xbox simply had better hardware. Both on paper and in practice(as in the actual games being superior on all fronts)
>You also forgot Namco, Konami and Squaresoft if you wanted to name devs that did impressive things with the PS2
I did name squaresoft.
>DVD9 games
>running just fine on GC
What the fuck does storage space has to do with ingame performance? Release it on multie discs like RE4 then.
>The logic of your example is retarded, you wanna why?
RE4 runs better on GC / Wii than it does on every single other platform minus the last HD version on PC / PS4 / Xbone (and even then it's still missing stuff), RE4 is literally the primary example for lazy shit ports because all of them are shit and lazy outside of the Wii one
Give me a fucking break. The later ports, while bad, weren't anywhere near as shit as the ps2 downgrades. Those ports only had some specular highlights missing, which were already in the code and merely had to be toggled on, so to speak. Geometry, textures and enemy count were the same as the gc version.
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d9b3db No.16750450
>>16750383
>The Xbox version of those two games only had downgraded fog/rain effects
You should inform yourself more before saying something like that, especially in MGS2's cases there's far more than just a few effect missing, in fact most of the things you describe the PS2 port of RE4 with would apply to the MGS2 port
>And you cant accuse capcom of being lazy here when they added extra content and a whole new chapter to the game.
Rewriting your game to actually take advantage of another system is far more difficult than shitting out 2-3hr of content where almost all of the assets are recycled (and that's assuming the new stuff isn't just recycled beta content either) and it helps people not to think too much about how much you fucked them over by making a shit port.
>There's no cheating or dev magic here
>Factor 5
>no dev magic
You should probably take a look at what they did, especially with the N64
>The gc/xbox simply had better hardware
And my PC at the time had better hardware than any of those and it didn't stop it from running bad console ports like shit, again my point still stands none of the 6th gen console (or PC ) really outclasses the others as long as the game was made specifically for any given system
>What the fuck does storage space has to do with ingame performance?
That's called not having to use system resources to unpack shit
More discs isn't always a good solution because there's always a baseline of shit that needs to be on every single disc. especially with something like Gran Turismo
>The later ports, while bad, weren't anywhere near as shit as the ps2 downgrades.
Anon, I played all those ports, they're not only bad but they're absolutely fucking pathetic when you account that they're running on hardware that far outclasses the NGC
The PS2 was more than capable of handling something like RE4 as seen on the NGC had Capcom made a good port, MGS3 is proof enough of that, in fact it's more technically impressive than RE4 is because it does actual physics instead of relying only on canned animations.
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c15477 No.16750462
Remember when the PS2 sent the Dreamcast to it's grave? It didn't even stand a chance lmao
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6fb6a4 No.16750551
>>16750462
actually, is called Ps2
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c08e52 No.16750578
>>16749989
>By calling the PlayStation the PS1, your authority on the matter is highly dubious
if you sounded any more like a redditor i'd have to tell you to go back to cuckchannel
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092b28 No.16750960
>>16750060
Nobody says PSX anymore nigger. PS1 is well known and commonly agreed as the distinct term. Again, get the fuck over yourself.
>>16750107
PS1 is just as fine is the point.
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3c0ecb No.16751668
If anybody owns an original xbox you should be sure to check the model of motherboard that you have. Many of the older original xboxs have a design flaw with the clock capacitor that leaks corrosive material on the board. You'll need to remove that immediately if you want your system to remain functional. Not every Xbox has this problem though. Mine was released sometime in 2004 and that revision doesn't have the leaky capacitor so some of you may also be lucky.
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9f0795 No.16756314
>>16750462
Sega dug their own hole with the following:
>wasting money fucking around with hardware experiments like the 32X and Nomad for years
>the handling of the Saturn in the West, with its rushed launch, botched development and cancellation of Sonic X-Treme, petty hostility between Sega Japan and Sega USA, etc.
>spending way too much money on good, but also experimental and niche games like Seaman, Phantasy Star Online, and Shenmue, which alone cost more to develop than the Dreamcast itself
They set themselves up for failure and would have had to leave the hardware business whether the PS2 released or not. Only way they could have recovered is if the Saturn sold FUCKING GANGBUSTERS, like, it would have had to sell faster and better than any other console before or since. We're talking beyond even PS2 or Wii numbers.
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c27570 No.16756784
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d3b8aa No.16764273
>>16710243
>Nintendo vs Sega was essentially the same as console wars nowadays, brainwashing stupid american children like (You) with shiny graphix and tossing gameplay aside.
Not really, especially considering that it was kids that were doing the fighting in the console war and there was an actual reason to get only a SNES or Genesis, since most families could only afford/bother to buy one. That and the fact that a lot of games were on one console or the other pretty much forced you to get one or the other. Also, it wasn't as bitter as this console war is. People that owned competing systems could and often did find redeeming qualities when playing the other one through their friends.
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ed5709 No.16764308
>>16764273
he's right, console wars were nothing like today. 7th gen was the fucking worst between 360 and ps3 fanboys. it's mostly calmed down since then but it's probably just as bad among younger kids
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ed5709 No.16764349
>>16756314
Their main problem was relying on Tom Kalinske, Bernie Stollar and Yu Suzuki. Those three are money burner egomaniacs.
>>16764273
That doesn't change the fact that it was all corporate marketing used to brainwash kids into spending money and turning them into mindless brand loyalists.
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ddeee5 No.16764378
Smilebit, TeamNinja, From Software, best Soul Calibur 2 on XBOX
Metroid Primes, Smash Brothers Melee, Resident Evils, Sega Amusement Vision F-Zero GX on the Cube
Too many to mention best game selection of all time on PS2
Still bitter that games like Guilty Gear X, Ikaruga, Zero Gunner 2, Border Down, Capcom vs SNK 2, Shenmue II, and Frame Gride never made it to the US. Thank fuck for emulation though.
I'm not sure there was any need to go further hardware wise.
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ddeee5 No.16764385
>>16764378
Oh man I forgot about Propeller Arena too. They had network connectivity and the only thing it was good for was ripping games and PSO. Super Monkey Ball, Gun Valkyrie, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and VF4 would have also been on DC had they not blown their load in one spot. Such a fucking shame.
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ddeee5 No.16764388
>>16764378
And possibly Outrun 2 although F355 Challenge was pretty good.
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fea69d No.16764391
>>16706923
Generations were counted wrong, let's rectify it:
Gen 1: 8 bit
Gen 2: 16 bit
Gen 3: 32 bit
Gen 4: 64 bit
No Gen 5 (128 bit) devices are known, forget gaming devices.
If you want to note pseudo-generations, you could label them like so:
Gen 2 IV
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ddeee5 No.16764411
>>16764391
It's kinda silly to place 3DO and XBOX in the same generation, don't you think?
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9760f7 No.16764428
>>16710887
I've been enjoying NFS Heat for what it is. I got it as a birthday present from my mom because she knows I like cars and I played Most Wanted a million times growing up. The only issues with it for me personally is the absolutely abysmal soundtrack comprised only of nigger beats and the obnoxious characters calling you during the day. The ricing is lots of fun.
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