/v/ - Video Games

>>16704941

I don’t play Kirby for the plot homo. Just like I won’t be paying attention the the war is bad message in upotte.

>>16704941

Every guy I've ever tried to talk to about MGS in real life could only speak in Metal Gear Awesome memes and say Snake's cool and shooting is fun

Granted the series is a complete trainwreck after 3 but MGS1 and 2 had some decent themes to work off of and they couldn't even talk about those

>>16704958

Wasn't Upotte's main message that the guns are not to blame for how they are used?

Was pretty on the nose too, what with the teacher getting shot, but since no human pulled the trigger nothing happened.

>>16704964

Funny you say that, I remembered planet Robobot while reading a book on the Singularity.

>>16704988

Didn't feel as bad back when the original came out but it's pretty jarring when applied to the remake, especially with the tacked-on DLC

>>16704987

Except Haltmann's goal was to be reunited with his daughter, but because he used Star Dream indiscriminately, he lost his memories, thus forgetting all about Susie. His biggest mistake was giving up his daughters memories in an effort to make his company more profitable, forgetting that the point of the profit was perfecting Star Dream and getting his daughter back.

>>16704941

You sound like a fucking newfaggot who's never seen a kirby thread. Replace 'woah cute borb' with autists sperging/speculating the connections between the EX bosses and final bosses of other kirby games.

>>16704967

That's the same case with a lot of stuff that gets "meme" viral videos bout it. Dragon Ball with DBZA, Hellsing with Hellsing Abridged, and a lot of RPGs get this.

>>16705024

I've been in Kirby threads, autists sperg about L O R E rather than obvious plot themes like it's Dark Souls.

>>16704941

Maybe because people are actually playing the games instead of jacking off about how “deep” the games themes and subtext are.

>>16705018

Don't forget the remake slapped a bunch of billboards in advertising real life games.

>>16705025

I know, shit sucks

Abridged anime shit bothers me in particular because I've seen people that don't even watch the original stuff and then still try to have discussions about the show, going off solely from shit they saw in the abridged parody

Like they don't understand that shit isn't actually even close to what happens in the real shows. At least the MGS fags I mentioned were still playing the game, they just chose to not pay attention and focus on the meme crap instead

>messages

Boy howdy, I sure do love playing video games to be preached at by some overpaid urbanite who hasn't worked an honest day in his life.

It's less that the messages go over people's head, more that now everything's muddled and everyone projects what they want to see onto everything.

>>16704988

>>video game has an anti-capitalist message

>implying rupture farms is capitalist

It's a message about how the factory farm industry seeks profit as a goal despite the horrible consequences for its employees and local fauna. If you think Rupture Farms is an unrealistic depiction of corporations, you're insane, and the studio that made the game is orders of magnitude from it.

Sometimes people just don't care about your "deep message". Sometimes people want to play a video game.

>>16705071

You have to admit that games like Spec Ops: The Line do preach at you in the most heavy handed way possible.

There is also games like No More Heroes which at point seem to mock their target audience.

I can understand people not wanted to be judged or belittled by a product they paid money for.

>>16704988

Hey dipshit, that game isn't about "muh capitalism bad!" it's about the dangers of businesses that seek profits and don't care how they get there. Unethical corporate greed =/= capitalism

>>16704988

>video game has anti-capitalist message

>it makes a ton of money off capitalism

>"wow that's so ironic"

>person has anti-capitalist political views

>while also making a ton of money off capitalism

>"wow that person isn't ironic"

>>16705095

>>"wow that person isn't ironic"

Since when? Everyone shits on rich "muh capitalism" kids.

>>16705097

A lot of lefties will brush off that by saying

>what? you've never complained about a product or something you use and you keep using?

They'll still shit on it despite you telling them they're hypocrites.

>>>/v/16705071

Hey cuckchan.

>>16705159

>dude war is bad

>dude you're a bad person if you beat this videogame you "paid" for

I can't fucking believe that people still think Spec Ops The Line was actually good. and no, the game saying that to Walker, it's saying it to you, look up an interview the devs did with cucktaku or someone

But then again, there are people who are too fucking thick to realize that New Vegas is about letting go of the past

>>16705159

You forgot one:

>pollution is bad

>t. game made on a cartridge and console made of plastic that needs disposable batteries to operate

>>16705174

it's one of extrareddit's and yahtzee's favorite games, probably for the exact reason that it attempted to have this "deep" message trying to buck the trend of milshoots

>>16705044

i remember when dbza ended and there were articles going around saying that they ended the cell saga better than the original

How the fuck do you even discuss "x is bad"? Why talk about bad thing when you can talk about good thing?

>>16705181

No no no, it's intentionally a generic TPS without any interesting mechanics! So you'd get used to it as if it were another generic modern military shooter, then they'd SHOCK AND AMAZE YOU WITH HOW EVIL YOU ARE. for following a story you can't not follow, unless you choose to close the game right then and there and refund it

this point is also about 3-3.5ish hours into the game so you can't refund it on steam if you "beat" it the way the developers intended

>>16705197

I didn't buy the game, and was probably playing Donkey Kong or something instead. So I guess I passed the test, and am a good person.

>>16705188

Would you really want to play a game where you sit in a corner and watch niggers fuck your wife?

>>16705188

Because in order to create a game or sorry there typically needs to be a conflict.

>>16705197

That game was so fucking shit and is a great test for if someone has decent or shit taste in games.

>>16705208

A lot of crap like that came out that year really.

>>16705203

Stories of conflict can be a celebration of strength and victory, and man's triumph over monsters. It doesn't all have to be depressing misery guts nonesense with the depth of a puddle.

>>16705220

A triumph of good over evil still requires evil exists

>>16705226

Yes, but the focus doesn't have to be on how evil is evil, and how you should feel bad about evil, and just sit there and cry because there's nothing you can do.

>>16705203

I understand that, but how can you have a discussion about a game's "message"? It's pointless. Messages are always going to boil down to "x is bad". How do you discuss that?

>>16705252

By forking over more money to my patreon, of course.

>>16705239

No one is saying it has to be

>>16705270

You're really bad at this.

>>16705181

>i remember when dbza ended and there were articles going around saying that they ended the cell saga better than the original

I can't even think of a proper way to show or say how angry that makes me

>FFXIV

If you try to make your house not look like shit it is going to look like shit and you will have just lost a week of your life.

>>16705325

Well, at least they kept one gameplay mechanic from XI in tact.

>>16705252

>being blackpillfag

Persona 4 is one of the most anti-fag games to ever exist, but some (((activists))) don't understand this and end up thinking certain characters are gay/trans who aren't

>>16705852

Reinterpreting progressive media into something they abhor is pretty fun.

>play super criminal who escapes supermax with literally nothing and slaughters guards along the way, stealing their guns

>civilians are absolutely capable of resisting your attacks since only gangs and police have guns

>radio commercial shows private gun ownership as bad

>doesn't even understand what American gun laws currently are, thinking there's a waiting period that hasn't existed since 1998

>the NRA they are parodying actually stabbed us in the back and endorsed that waiting period

This never made sense.

>>16705875

….whaaa?

>>16705325

More like, only fags play such a shitty, brain-dead game.

>>16705875

What game?

>radio commercial shows private gun ownership as bad

This doesn't mean that the game is saying gun ownership is bad, it could be the game juxtaposing what authorities claim vs what reality is for people, trying to encourage people to second guess what the authorities tell them.

>Constant ads and politicians saying how guns are bad and there is no reason to own guns

>game involves man killing civilians that cannot protect themselves while the media elite and politicians have guns to protect themselves.

>>16704941

>Nintendo game

>Having a message

The only missed message should be your OP.

>>16704967

I was about to say that. Well I haven't ran into any mouth breathing retards regarding MGS. Most of them seem to be on the more normalfag side of the Internet.

>>16706105

Is Kirby a nigger?

>>16705875

This is either GTA III or Saints Row 2.

>>16706105

There's some sort of "pride" flag on the shirt, but I don't know what it is.

>>16706187

Did a quick search. It's the "non-binary" flag.

<The nonbinary pride flag was created by 17 year old Kye Rowan in February of 2014 when a call was put out by several members of their community for a flag that could represent nonbinary folk who did not feel that the genderqueer flag represented them. This flag was intended to go alongside Marilyn Roxie's genderqueer flag rather than replace it. [3][4][5]

<The flag consists of four stripes coloured (from top to bottom) yellow, white, purple and black.

<Yellow represents those whose gender exists outside of and without reference to the binary as yellow is often used to distinguish something as its own.

<White represents those who have many or all genders as white is the photological presence of color and/or light.

<The purple stripe represents those who feel their gender is between or a mix of female and male as purple is the mix of traditional boy and girl colors. The purple also could be seen as representing the fluidity and uniqueness of nonbinary people.

<The final black stripe represents those who feel they are without gender, as black is the photological absence of color and/or light.

>>16706187

14 seconds on google reveals it to be the non-binary flag

>>16705031

You know I always kept thinking Shiver Star looked oddly like Earth when i was a kid. I just assumed it was just cause and not realize it was actually a post apocalyptic nuclear winter.

>>16706105

>take something cute

>make it ugly

>shoehorn your dumbass ideology into it

I wish these people would fucking die already.

>>16706246

Ah, so the snowflakes among snowflakes then. Christ.

>>>/v/16706472

It says nothing at all because it's a game and it isn't real you mentally ill goon.

Dragon age 2 has a moral about what happens when you allow a large group of people whose religion tells them to subjugate you into your city but no one seems to have noticed. No butthurt soyboys, no memes from pol, nothing.

>>16706472

I hate the message of "you're a bad person for playing a videogame" even fucking Undertale knew to give the Player a fucking choice.

<YOU'RE A FUCKING MONSTER FOR PLAYING OUR GAME

>How about I won't play it and don't give you money to not be a bad person?

<no wait

>>16706552

>>Game requires you to think tactically, conserve ammo and not get shot

first two are wrong

>>you are a one man surviving all odds from a demon invasion on an alien world where no one willl help you

the gratuitous power ups will

imagine running out of ammo in doom

>>16706562

you try fighting everything head on in the highest difficulty.

>>16706565

doom isnt a survival horror game you n00b

>>16706565

I do, imagine not having excess ammo even in nightmare, game gives you more than you could ever need. Quake 1 is the only id game with ammo management.

>>16706575

>There's quite a few official...maps that limit your options so you're fighting dangerous stuff while under equipped to do so.

lmao this fucking doom kiddie

>>16706533

but dood! their aesthetics are totally evil! how can ISA be bad guys if the other guys wear this?

>>16706560

Art is not therapy, the problem with that is that to see the message of an art piece you need to see it in full, while therapy is done as long as you need it. It's basically like a book telling you to stop reading it, when it's full message will only be seen if read in full.

It is just not a good way of conveying the message.

The message or Spec Ops is also retarded for other reasons, the only thing it does well is shitting on modern Call Of Duty-type FPS but that's besides the point.

>>16706546

It also has a sidequest where a templar, or whatever the fuck they called them, with a very out of place German sounding name was killing poor mages who dindu nuffin. The writing is a textbook case of design by comity.

>>16706187

>>16706246

>>16706296

>>16706325

Take a look, they're already pushing it in kids cartoons. Steven Universe isn't even for kids, its propaganda disguising itself as a kids' show. What's hilarious is that Dove is backing this 'Self-Esteem Project' shit, because a leftist wouldn't support a company like this knowing their palm oil usage destroyed the environment of South-East Asia.

>>16706651

Nobody who cares about social justice actually gives a shit about the environment.

>>16706574

>>16706575

>>>/reddit/

>>16705071

Speaking of Hotline Miami.

>Violence is bad, m'kay?

>Nationalism is bad, m'kay?

>If your nation is occupied by a foreign power that lets organized crime run rampant the last thing you should do is try to fight back

>Don't be racist goy

<Wow the 80s were so cool

<Wow killing people is fun

>>16706606

>is now commonly discussed for this reason

I only hear people mention it in threads here about games that tried to have a lofty point and sucked. People still discuss all sorts of garbage long after release, being the low water line people compare things to is not a legacy to desire. What they did unquestionably fail at was reaching the actual dude-bro audience they wanted their message to hit, since they all apparently thought it looked dull and never played it.

We're probably the only sort of community who still discusses it and that's because we trawl backlogs looking for new experiences. Hitting someone like us with "Ah, but did you ever consider you needn't play this game?" when we've pirated it years after release solely because we heard people getting angry over it, have little to no attachment to the genre at all, and then post about how gay it is makes it one of the most off-target "messages" I know of.

>>16705852

I masturbated to Irreversible. I'm not going to lie. Shit film, but it got me off.

>this goon is still embarrassing himself

>>16706768

>>Punishing the losing side in a war is simply asking for more war to be waged in the future.

Aside from the American Civil War, what other wars, in history, did the loser NOT have to pay for reparations?

>>16706780

So you agree with him then.

>>16706791

>Doom is a horror series

The current state of it is, that's for sure.

>>16706388

>the game makes it very clear they'd have been shot on the spot if they tried anything but shooting back

The game explicitly tells you that Walker should have gone back to radio for help like he was meant to instead of going solo and trying to be a hero.

>>16706533

Explain.

>>16705141

>>16705177

>complaining about something you keep using

Merely complaining about something you use doesn't make you a hypocrite. You can't expect people to radicalize their lives because they whined about something.

>hate cellphones because they're mini-surveillance bricks

>have to keep using one because work/family mandates it

>complain about plastic bags killing animals and ruining the landscape

>use plastic bags because how the fuck else am I supposed to take out the fucking trash and clean after dog

>manufacturer of $PRODUCT

>make statement about environmentally harmful substances

>very hard/economically inviable to make $PRODUCT without some of said harmful substances

>man, better close up otherwise we'll be hypocrites

lip service and greenwashing would be actual hypocrisy

>etc.

>>>/v/16706877

>t. braindead faggot who just wants to whine instead of actually doing anything about his problems

>>16706345

>Kirby Letterman jackets

You think there's a kirby high school?

>>16706877

>Hate niggers

>Can't find a single company who don't use niggers in their advertisements.

>>16705084

Nah, I can understand not having expectations filled (like wanting to play as Snake in MGS2) but plenty of media does jokes at the audiences' expense well. You just have to be somewhat ambiguous about it and not an unfunny faggot. Outright spite or disdain shows through as well, so if you have that it's best to not even try because it will be apparent anyway.

>>16706575

Survival horror isn't literally the same thing as resource management you dingus. I bet you think all games with procedurally generated dungeons are roguelikes too.

>>16706886

>muh (you)s

your quote syntax autism makes it hard to follow conversations, not that it matters because your strawmanning ass couldn't handle one.

>>>/v/16706936

I don't think missing your posts is a huge loss.

>>16706936

Here i'll give you some (joo)s anon if you feel left aside

>>16706877

>You can't expect people to radicalize their lives because they whined about something

Isn't that how communism came to be?

And there's quite the difference between being forced to use something and actively profiting off of it. No one's going to blink twice at a person who got divorced saying divorce is bad or a convicted murderer saying killing is wrong, but a billionaire advocating for lighter carbon footprints look a bit hypocritical for zipping around the globe on private jets for conferences that can be done on a Skype call and a company whining about capitalism while asking people to buy their game sounds very disingenuous.

Of course pot calling the kettle black doesn't make the kettle less of a nigger, but you shouldn't be getting your views from a corporation anyway.

plot in vidya is like plot in a porno, no one gives a shit and it really shouldn't exist.

Niggers who care about muh plot have never felt the joy of getting 1cc on an arcade.

>>16708149

Hey Carmack, is there ever going to come a time you tell Romero to stop acting like a faggot?

>>16708149

Getting a 1cc feels almost half as good as placing well in a fighting game tournament.

>>16706835

The Helghast used to live on Vekta (planet in the first game) until the ISA, who are literally just corporate goons, kicked them off the planet and forced them all to live on Helghan which was basically a poison world and fucked up their bodies.

>>16704941

Anyone who makes and shares the images such as in the OP is an evil subhuman.

>>16705084

>You have to admit that games like Spec Ops: The Line do preach at you in the most heavy handed way possible.

Only if you miss the obvious fact that the game is trying to make you dissociate with Walker as much as possible. Not the game's fault you're autistic and take everything personally.

>>16711932

Except for the part where the developers tell you you're an asshole for wanting to finish the game, idiot.

>>16711925

He's literally a goon, check his posts. That "well at least people are talking about it" was the textbook goon response when that game came out and the mods mass banned anyone who criticized or even laughed at the game. You know, on a comedy website.

>>16711945

Ironically enough glutamate imitates folate structure-wise and folic acid can contribute to cancer, not exactly something you want to eat.

>>16712146

It's part of the projection. They think working class means "all those spics that do everything for me" because they nor anyone else they know has any work ethic so, of course, no other white people possibly could. Leftism sits squarely at the crossroads of narcissism and self loathing.

>>16706835

Helghast literally dindu nuffin, ISA persecuted them, took over their homeworld then invaded the planet they fleed to which was even more uninhabitable than the last one. devs cant understand why people like them more than the ISA because they look like space nazis.

>>16712168

>almost 200 years

Big nose tribe has been around since the dawn of man.

>>16712172

im not talking about the kikes im talking about marxism, every newfag acts like inviting niggers, nigger lovers and commies sperging out are some new phenominon that only started happening as soon as they took notice of it when its been going on for years.

The exact same shit happening in the weimar republic is happening globally today, only this time everyone is too much of a pussy to become the next hitler and save us

>>16712179

>Everyone I don't like is a goon

We have IDs you subhuman.

>>16712208

Much like the stupid cunt that was hitchhiking through the middle east to prove that sandniggers aren't complete savages that would kill and rape her the bicycle retard also died the second he came anywhere near the "people" they wished to prove are so good.

>>>/v/16712288

>>>/v/16706714

And we saw you screech about anime using the exact same arguments and the exact same post structure. Kill yourself.

>>16706552

What people who don't understand Doom see

>Thinks about literally anything beyond having fun and shooting baddies

The point of Doom isn't to be some hyper analytical shit

>he's still IP hopping

>>16712294

Took care of it

Notice how it never learns its lesson and continues to out itself. These are the people who defend subversive trash like Spec Ops and you can spot them a mile away.

>>16704968

Did you know the series has plot continuity between games?

>>16708149

>what are RPGs? everything is an arcade game

Don't be a mong.

The whole plot of robobo was about him trying to revive his daughter that he thought was dead, anyways

>>16706489

>Cuckchan speak

>>16712138

>Ironically enough glutamate imitates folate structure-wise and folic acid can contribute to cancer, not exactly something you want to eat.

Does this mean I should change my behavior in any significant way?

>>16712705

As long as you aren't stuffing your gullet with factory crap I think you'll be alright.

>>16704988

Sunset Overdrive comes to mind.

>>16712939

They might as well have renamed that "Out of Touch Simulator 2013".

>>16712689

>sub 3mb soundless webm

fuck off to cuckchan nigger

>>16712182

>you white people

(((white)))

>>16712168

>>16712196

>every newfag acts like inviting niggers, nigger lovers and commies sperging out are some new phenominon that only started happening as soon as they took notice of it when its been going on for years.

The vast majority of the population of the west has no idea about the history of Marxism and antifascists. It isn't taught in schools and is actively covered up or ignored in history books. The fact you don't realize this ironically shows how new you are.

>>16706105

This actually made me laugh

Woah

>>16705226

That's Machiavelli 101 or something Hegelian

>>16711945

For me, I tend to separate vidya from political messages as much as I can. I mean Undertale is just some video game. You don't need to be like "just because you can spare monsters" it definitely means that it's trying to manipulate people into thinking that killing monsters is bad.

>>16714606

If you honestly think game developers aren't trying to manipulate public behavior with their games then you haven't been paying attention and I legitimate wonder how you even found out about this site.

>>16706683

Most of /v/ loves the Hotline series to death.

>>16714609

Then can I assume that you hate video games?

>>>/v/16714616

Good job outing yourself at least.

>>16714612

doesn't make anything what he said less true. the dev of hotline miami is a leftie. The game is fun but this is one of those cases where the artist did not force his agenda densely enough so the audience can easily ignore it or give it no spotlight.

Hotline miami 2 was shit gameplay wise and story wise

The concept was cool, but in retrospect the game is inherently flawed in many ways

>>16714616

Nah, that's the job of leftist devs and journos that realized too late that they despise the industry in which they work along with those who buy their product.

>>16706683

>violence is bad

>if your nation is occupied by a foreign power you shouldn't fight back

what?

so because it didn't work out for the characters that's the message? i'm pretty sure hotline's supposed to be a mess of violence, envy, hatred and pride. I don't think it was supposed to preach shit.

>don't be racist

I don't recall the game ever tackling racism.

>>16714898

>inherently flawed

name some

>>16715179

Is this the game series where the main guy goes full redpill in the last title and starts hating on minorities

>>16715138

DR1 was really good, everything that came after it was shit but at least I applaud the devs' willingness to kill the series. If only they didn't do so with kenka banchou…

>>16715179

Hi daedalic employee!

Deponia is the prime example of a good story that shits the bed in the end.

>so we spent 3 games talking about this character's development

>in the last game it seems like people start to realize this

<ending disregards it completely

Also fuck them for making people pay $20 with doomsday, a game which tl;dr is:

>we know people said our ending was stupid, but what do they know, fuck them what do they know about writing and thanks for the money

I could write a college thesis on Mega Man. But he's just the Jump and Shoot Man to normies.

>>16715597

go to sleep Raul Panther

Love how these threads bring the shills and braindead storycuckolds out of the wordwork.

>>16715612

TL;DR German cucks can't write good endings

>>16715620

>Thread specifically about story

<WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT STORY ITT!?

>>16715644

More like all faggots want is everyone is happy in an ending.

>>16715100

That's really lovely actually.

>>16715597

do it or kill yourself faggot.

>>16715644

Pretty much, gotta admire his autism defending a shit game though.

>>16715673

Sure thing (2).

>>16706786

Probably any war that resulted in a nation being conquered and absorbed, for one.

>>16704967

>shooting in MGS is good

what the FUCK

>>16706388

true

the player did NOTHING wrong

even walker himself always obeyed ROE except the wp segment but that was honest bullshit bad writing. youve already fought down an entire dubai hotel; and this little camp is too much? why did american remnants even have WP mortars aimed at their own base anyway

The real question is when can we finally get a game that has the message "Give War a Chance"? I'm talking full on Sundowner tier pro-war messaging on the importance of violence even at the interpersonal level and the realization that the denial of even tiny struggles in the day to day dealings flat out ruin people simply from being so starved for conflict? How about that for a game? Even if its about one guy who can't take it anymore?

>>16714617

>>16714609

Thank you for keeping the dharma, anon.

+1 Internets

Y'all wrong, Spec Ops The Line's message was White phosphorous is really fucking inhumane

>>16721656

The mortar wasn't set up, the characters set it up after finding it.

>>16730191

No, Sonic just has autism.

>>16704941

>messages

No one cares, all the best games with messages have them incidentally.

>>16731492

Why not both?

>>16714092

>if the only way you can 'teach' your players a lesson on morality is by forcing them to burn sandpeople to death, i'd say your narrative needs work.

That wasn't the message. The real message is about bashing linearity in game design and how that influences both devs and players. The ending is all about the things in the game you actually have control over

>>16730191

>Using Sonic Adventure as prrof of Sonic having good stories.

No, fuck off. Forget everything you know and go rewatch the "story" in SA1. The storytelling is terrible and what happens is not interesting at all. That wall of text is either fans filling the blanks or side material trying to explain shit that the MAIN game doesn't properly tell.

>>16731766

Most of that post isn't even about Adventure, it's about the ones on Genesis. You'd see that if you read it, and it explicitly says stuff is from the manuals or from S3&K. Almost all the stuff from Adventure is only slightly expanding on ideas that were already there, such as giving names and actually showing Chaos and Pachacmac, who were only referred to before, but were indeed referred to as early as Sonic 2.

Also, you're not supposed to watch stories in video games, you idiot. You play them. That's probably why you missed it. The storytelling in Sonic Adventure is great. It manages to tell it in interesting ways that make use of the video game medium, such as by having the seven different stories that start and end at different times, and take place at different rates, so you experience them in a variety of non-linear ways, but when you piece it all together, each individual story (which mostly work on their own anyway) adds up to show this wider story that is more closely connected to the earlier games. The way the NPCs all have their own story arcs, which again you experience non-linearly (and don't have to experience at all, since they change even in parts of the game where you're not expected to visit their locations) is also another effective use of the medium and helps to create a world that feels much more alive than it technically is. Use of these artistic elements helped to make up for some technical limitations of this 1998 game.

The image in the post you're quoting also says where all of its material comes from (which you would know if you read it). None of it is side material (which is never canon anyway). It's all from the games themselves, as well as the manuals of older games, since that's where story usually existed in older games.

You can say it's "filling in the blanks," it's obviously autism gone awry with interpretation of symbolism and such, but the actual plot elements cited are not filling in the blanks, only the interpretations of symbolism. The "missed messages" this thread is about. That's the point. If they were explicit, you couldn't miss them. Though I imagine someone like you would miss explicit messages as well, since you clearly never read the post you're replying to, or played the game you're talking about. (Apparently you only "watch" games.)

>>16706683

>If your nation is occupied by a foreign power that lets organized crime run rampant the last thing you should do is try to fight back

Except HM2 praises beard for doing that.

>>16705177

I think Sonic was one of the few games that spread its environmentalist message in a more successful manner. Especially Sonic CD.

>>16731936

I think Crash Bandicoot does it fairly effectively. The first game, at least. You progress into more and more advanced technology and civilization, from nice looking jungle, to the aborigine village, to the second island with the decaying ruins of a more advanced civilization, to the third island with the Power Plant and Toxic Waste dump, and then cross the bridge to the extravagant but run down castle with the scary looking lab and such. It's not complex or anything, but it's a logical progression and attention is never called to it. It's nice when devs don't think you're so stupid that they have to spell things out for you.

>>16731766

SA1 is an overarching plot that started from the very first sonic game. The ending was pretty good to close the cycle and SA2 introduced more elements to it.

On itself it might be mediocre, but if you actually know the whole lore, it's pretty damn good.

>>16731955

Later games feel more like separated pieces that don't belong together. It makes sense storywise, but still, that detail in the first one is pretty cool.

>>16730191

I know the storytelling was going downhill before they showed up, but I will never forgive those happy tree friend fuckers for just obliterating all story from sonic games with "going back to its roots" as the excuse

>>16732017

Was it going downhill? Other than the weird romance with Elise, I say '06 had a pretty cool story. Especially the Shadow part. Even Unleashed tried to tone down the plot importance but then giving Sonic more character development. Then a bunch of casuals came in and decided the games never had a story, because they never paid attention, and now that's all we get.

>>16732046

>I say '06 had a pretty cool story

I was going to copypaste this massive diatribe but it was too long to paste so here is it, why Sonic '06 has one of the most interesting yet terrible videogame plots.

http://archive.is/CeSex

>>16712434

>Did you know the series has plot continuity between games?

So its like kingdom hearts then?

>>16732046

>Especially the Shadow part.

funny how he has the most well though out portion of the game. Almost as if it was supposed to be Shadow the Hedgehog 2 instead of a Sonic game

>>16732046

I was mostly thinking about how trash Sonic Heroes was, even though I guess the actual concepts were rad and it was just the execution that was the problem. Metal Sonic and Shadow probably had their best character moments in there, but it was all delivered in such a bleh way.

I honestly can't remember Shadow's story in 06 for the life of me, but he always has fun stories.

>>16732832

Shadow the Hedgehog is a Sonic game. It plays very similarly, just with the added gimmick of the guns, which don't actually change the core gameplay that much. If anything, that gimmick changes the gameplay less than the team gimmick from Heroes. The story of Sonic Adventure 2 was also about Shadow, the only part of Heroes that was important to future games was the stuff related to Shadow, and even Sonic Battle is largely about Shadow, or at least Gerald. The games between Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic '06 were basically one big arc about Shadow, even while each game had its own individual plot as well. Just like how the games between Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure were all about Chaos, or at least the Chaos Emeralds and their backstory, even though individual games had their own individual stories as well. Then after '06 (or arguably after Unleashed) the games weren't allowed to have stories anymore, let alone arcs. Whisps reappear, but it's not like they have plot importance. Eggman is wrong to use them as tools in Colors. In Forces, you literally use them as ammo.

>>16732943

Sonic's story wasn't unrefined. It was that way on purpose. "Fans" had been complaining about the recent Sonic games having stories, claiming that the old games never had stories. They kept saying they wanted something "simple," so Sega was like "fine, you want simple! Here Sonic save princess! Fuck you!" They deliberately made Sonic's story as cliche and simple as possible because that's what "fans" had been screaming for. They made sure Eggman was the bad guy in Sonic's story, and Mephiles was only in Shadow and Silver's stories. They saved the autism for Shadow and Silver's stories. But of course these "fans" are fickle, and exaggerated how dumb Sonic's story was. It was dumb, but it was dumb because that's what they asked for. It wasn't that dumb either way. As much as I'm autistic for the story, it's not the main reason I like the games, and I don't really give much of a shit when I'm actually playing them.

Sonic '06 sucks because it's an alpha prototype, so unfinished that they didn't even have time to dummy out unfinished elements that completely break the game, like Sonic's gems. Really the biggest problem, though, is the load times, which are so bad that they make the Town Stage missions pretty much unbearable, since you have to go through like five load screens just to retry once. If the game was finished, this and a lot of the other problems probably would have been finished. It was an ambitious game and seemed like they were going for fun level designs and movement like we got from Sonic Adventure 2 (though of course here it needed much more refinement), the Town Stages were supposed to have better missions, not ruined by absurd load times, and surely they would have been more lively, like they were in Unleashed (although even that was much simplified). It could have been great. I await that PC remake that one autist is doing. He plans to make it accurately, IIRC, but once he finishes, a bunch of other autists can fix it.

>>16732956

Heroes was supposed to have a simple story. It's not worth writing home about but at least it's not so dumb as to be actively ridiculous, like Forces. It still has more of a story, and a better story, than Colors, Generations, and Lost World.

>>16732832

At that point Shadow's character was completely fleshed out. Actually, it's a situation similar to Zero in the X serie. X remained a stale character because his character was fleshed from the beginning and he barely changed his attitude even in the Zero series, while Zero evolved from badass maverick hunter to savior or reploids and humans alike.

>>16732943

The game only needed a bit more development time, but there were changes that simply were too shitty. For example, glitches and gameplay could have improved the gameplay of the game, since as it was the game looked pretty as hell. But shit like that human princess that seems to be core to the game would have still fucked the game. If something, if it was successful it would have been worse. Imagine the furries.

Prey for that faggot that is porting to game to (((unity))) to actually do a good job. He recently made an update.

>>16734146

The twist in generations was stupid but predictable. At least the game is enjoyable.

>Muh chilli dogs

>>16734215

>But shit like that human princess that seems to be core to the game would have still fucked the game.

I'm a massive lorefag, but anyone who actually lets something that minor ruin the game for them, especially if the gameplay is actually good, is an idiot. Story is fun when it's good, but even if it's not, it's not something that can ruin a game unless the devs let it dictate gameplay.

>The twist in generations was stupid but predictable. At least the game is enjoyable.

I heard in the comics or something they said that the Time Eater was actually a remnant of Solaris, the smoke that remained when Sonic blew out the candle at the end. Instead, the Time Eater is a random monster and we are never expected to give a shit. The game is about going back to moments from the old games, but which could have made a cool story, doing Back to the Future II stuff, watching events from other points of view, or simply showing moments from the Genesis games with modern technology. Show the story that was already there, but could only be told in the manual because of technological limitations. But oh wait, I forgot, Sonic never had a story, apparently. So therefore Generations isn't allowed to have a story. But yeah, the game is okay. Too short, and I still prefer Adventure style movement/level design over Modern Sonic.

>>16734238

>Story is fun when it's good, but even if it's not, it's not something that can ruin a game unless the devs let it dictate gameplay.

That's why I like Generations. But the thing is, just why? There's even Amy, why not just go with her? Why not give her an important role? Why even make an stupid love triangle between Elise, Sonic and Amy? Elise on itself was a really shit character. I would have enjoyed the game even with that little detail, but that autistic detail would have prevented me from considering it any good. Sonic and humans don't go together. SPECIALLY if that human is a romantic interest.

>or simply showing moments from the Genesis games with modern technology

That sounds kinda uninteresting. I liked the effort they put in the Generations story, even if the final delivery was shit. Modern sonic working with old sonic is nice.

>I still prefer Adventure style movement/level design over Modern Sonic.

So do I. Admiteddly, I never played a Sonic game since Black Knight, so when they say "modern sonic" I was actually expecting something like Adventures, the whole boost thing was new to me, and even though it was ok, I was let down.

>>16734268

>But the thing is, just why?

Because "fans" were yelling for a "simple" story so Sega literally had Sonic rescue a princess from Eggman.

>That sounds kinda uninteresting. I liked the effort they put in the Generations story, even if the final delivery was shit. Modern sonic working with old sonic is nice.

No, I mean still do that, but since Sonic is going back to Sky Sanctuary Zone anyway, maybe in the cutscene before that level they show him fighting Knuckles in Hidden Palace, and Classic Eggman stealing the Master Emerald. Or actually have it as a boss fight with Classic Sonic.

>>16734335

Speaking of different stuff, the 3DS version has completely different levels from the console version.

>>16734146

>sonics story wasn't unrefined it was that way on purpose

Except Sonics story isn't "basic", sonic just acts like a cardboard cutout in it. And as noted, the entire story arc for him is failure; he basically never manages to do anything in his story.

Thats not basic, thats the exact opposite of it; you don't make your hero get saved every story moment and then die in a simple story. Everything but sonic fits, which is ironic but fitting for the game.

It has numerous aspects that any sane person upon analyzing it would change, but 06 never had time for such things; the engine never could get to a usable version so aspects of the final are absolutely broken.

I somehow doubt the story is unscathed, considering they didn't even have the time to make a sonic game feel fast.

>>16734855

Their goal was clearly to just ripoff Mario and have Sonic have to repeatedly save a princess from his arch nemesis. On the other hand, they weren't willing to let go of the style they had had since the beginning, so they tried to have Sonic's "simple" story that the "fans" wanted in the foreground but have it tie into all the classic autism in the background.

>but 06 never had time for such things

This is the key think clear about '06. It's one of the most unfinished games ever, at least on a console. Of course Sega has a history of this, literally cutting Sonic 3 in half because it wasn't finished in time, then selling both halves at full price, but this time it finally came back to bite them.

>>16705647

pretty good manga

>>16735100

My point is that simple base does not equal simple story in this case. Its a blatant attempt at a romance tragedy, a poor one but an attempt.

The start of a story does not need to be complex for it to be complex by the end. It might be an attempt at mimicking simplicity but if that was the goal than even from a basic vacuum of only sonic stuff it fails.

Sonic 3 could cut its loses due to scale, and it really seems like it nearly all pulled stuff from 2s unused pile. It also was using a already made engine.

Its a much easier thing to salvage.

>but this time it finally came back to bite them.

Obviously the true first backfire of SEGAs treatment was X-Treme but that had a lot more things go wrong than 06, and wasn't released at all.

Sonic kinda has a history of overshooting.

>>16735100

>literally cutting Sonic 3 in half because it wasn't finished in time

Is that true? It's not because both games can't fit on a single, standard cartridge?

>>16735225

I doubt it, developing a lock on cartridge must be much more expensive than making a bigger cartridge.

Then again you get two games worth of revenue so I don't know.

>>16735198

SEGA has a history of overshooting. This is the company that greenlit shenmue and kept it in production to the point where even if every copy of the game they made sold at twice the price they offered for it it would've made a loss.

>>16735225

Given that flying battery zone assets are on sonic 3 as well as revised and modified on sonic and knuckles, it seems unlikely

>>16735225

a Sonic 3 & Knuckles merged data rom (obtained by ripping S&K while S3 is plugged in) weighs in at 4MB, the standard max size for the system.

Larger cartridges exist for the likes of Street Fighter 2

>>16706651

Wait, did they gave him/her/it a beard in the 15th second? What kind of message is that? What the actual fuck?

>>16706651

> Recognize Steven Universe

> Have no idea what a Stevonnie is

> google it

> fusion of Steven and Connie

> into some kind of faggy tranny mutant

SU never made me angry because I recognized what it is from the get-go and just never paid attention to it outside of having watched a few episodes by chance on television. But now I'm angry, inconsolably, autistically angry. This is how the freaks making this garbage want to illustrate the union of a man and a woman? I can't help but wonder if it isn't intentional blasphemy against God. Is it not written that a man shall leave his mother and father to be joined with his wife and for the two to become one flesh? That is the language the bible uses to communicate the normative relationship between a man and a woman and how that union creates not just a family in love but results in the production of new, unique, human life. It is a beautiful metaphor for the familial relationship between man, woman and child. It enshrines as a divine mandate the basic building block of a functioning and healthy society Instead they take this same metaphor to advance the subversion of the unique, complimentary distinctions and purposes of the masculine and feminine natures to confuse the way people (children) understand who and what they are. To these wretched and woeful people the union of a man and a woman isn't an expression of romance, of self-sacrifice, mutual service and adoration that partners should rightly have for one another, it isn't passing on of wisdom and the rearing of happy and healthy offspring - what it is is a grand spiritual castration where the man and woman cease to exist, a new unique life is not created but the two partners have themselves eroded away and amalgamated into an indistinct unit. This is satanic, I don't have any other word to describe it.

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shoutout to simpleflips

>looking for messages in games

>expecting messages in games

>appreciating messages in games

Games are supposed to be fun diversions. Not propaganda pieces, faggots. Why legitimize what ruins media and what has been ruining video games?

>>16705252

i dont think tard tier shit like spec ops invalidates all messages. game can have subtle interesting grey topics, or even positive ones. braid comes to mind. even something like earthbound has a very simple coming of age story, reminding us to keep true to yourself and inner whimsical side, no matter how dark the world can be

>>16705174

>But then again, there are people who are too fucking thick to realize that New Vegas is about letting go of the past

>Game literally spells it out for you in dead money's ending.

>>16706122

What I always liked about SR2 was that Jules in hindsight is the hero and you're the villain. I mean you were always the villain, but their betrayal was seen as the most cowardly, evil shit ever, until right before you blow his head off when he's half dead on the ground, and tells you his reason for doing it is that you're a psycho that was destroying the neighborhood he made the saints to protect, with the saints, and you had become worse than the kings or any other gang out there. And in hindsight, he's not really wrong. The boss is a wrecking ball, who's in it for the chaos more than anything else.

De Blob 2. Look at this cut scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3SuD6rtm2g

The themes in this game must have slipped past the volumes of children who played it.

>>16752494

I'm replying to a retarded opinion

>>16719810

>talks shit about story, says gameplay is what's important

>has never actually made a good game or been on a team that made a good game

big think

>>16712182

/thread

>>16732738

It's more subtle that I missed all of it during my first playthrough and only noticed it once I started replaying the series chronologically.

No. It's not like KH.

>>16753156

>you gotta care about the message! you are stupid if you don't want a message in your games!

There once was a glorious time when games didn't contain messages, but instead only fun. There was no message in Contra, Doom, or Master of Orion. There was only fun.