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If I'm interested in playing this what's the correct way to go about it, I was interested because I like Battle Brothers (which is kind of similar despite having tactical rather than JRPG combat) but after reading some reviews was put off. Apparently some DLCs fuck the game up severely by overpopulating it with a single unit type and some annoying sickness, I just want to have a good time then probably drop the game before hella endgame dungeons because from the sound of it at that point it begins to come apart at the seams.

Also as I mentioned you should try out Battle Brothers if you haven't already, everyone I recommended BB to who played DD told me they loved it.

>>16703041

The Crimson Court is retarded on several levels, one of the foremost being that the game is actually easier if it is simply ignored (it forces a specific negative town event to happen every week, but it is actually preferable to some of the nastier ones that happen later). I would recommend simply activating Districts and Flagellant. The other DLCs are good too.

There is a lot of meme bullshit and misinformation disguised as "advice" (no, heroes are not expendable unless you like grinding and losing on harder difficulties). But general tips:

1) Name of the game is deny enemy actions. Single target burst fragile stress-dealers while stunning others. Speed and accuracy are often more important than damage, especially in the event of unnecessary overkill. If your heroes role is to do damage or stun, they should be acting first.

2) Stress is worse than low hp. Because of Death's Door, you don't always need a fat heal, but becoming afflicted can fucking ruin your quest in more ways than one. Scouting, trap disarm, camping feast/skills are great forms of mitigation. Seriously, I can't stress enough how much value scouting has.

3) Ruins and Cove are pretty easy, Warrens and Weald are a bitch. You should definitely beat the game, the DD has unique dungeons.

4) Keep the torch above 75, until you finish the dungeon and can get better loot drop tables by snuffing it. Gold honestly stops becoming an object once you get the bank so dark runs aren't really worth the risk.

>>16703041

>Battle Brothers

It deserves more recognition.

>>16703669

>>16703644

Start in beginner difficulty until you figure out the tactics for particular enemies. I recommend having at least one dagger specialist, with specific perks you can attack five times per round, and bypass all the armor. It's enough to rout the target enemy. It's particularly effective against orc warriors who have fuckton of armor, or elite noble troops (though they are a rare enemy). You can't go wrong with warhammers and two-handed swords. Always level up stamina and evasion (melee for frontline, ranged for shooters), take stamina-related perks and keep a varied roster.

>>16703660

>The art style is kinda shitty and there are no cute girls but might as well.

If you want cunts, go play some JRPG. Women didn't fight in medieval times, and I'm glad the devs didn't cuck out and add them.

>>16703356

I think MB and BB are apples and oranges, the only thing they have in common is quasi-medieval theme. One is real time, other is turn based. One has a main character with optional underlings, other has full party control. One is purely medieval, other has fantasy elements. Besides, even if you'd insist on comparing, is there that many things to do in MB? All battles look the same after you get further into the game because AI is retarded and cannot into tactics; here BB comes out on top because every type of enemy requires a different approach. In both games you can trade stuff between towns, in both games most quests basically amount to killing. The exception is that BB is strictly mercenary-themed and you can't own land, but does it really change that much in MB?

>>16703757

>Women didn't fight in medieval times

Cool thing this is more of a fantasy game where women can wear bikini armors. Don't get me wrong, DD doesn't have cute girls on itself, but I also think the art style of BB is just ugly compared to DD's thick lines.

Also, I guess there are mods for cute women like in DD.

>>16703852

On itself, I really liked it, you don't depend on torches and the layour and enemies are fun to deal with. But there are plenty of reasons to hate it

>Negative effects on your state that ranges from lowering the stress relief effect to 50% less to infest the rest of the stages with crimson court enemies

>You basically have to rush it if you don't want that to keep happening

>Yet you risk all your heroes to the crimson curse

>And speaking of which, the crimson curse being a permanent disease until you clear all the courtyard

>Blood flask taking space in your inventory

>Bosses in apprentice that would wreck champions

Basically, the mod is intrusive in the overall game and in a shitty way, and getting rid of it would take the same effort the whole base game takes, in a single path.

For example, my best vestal was infected by crimson curse outside the courtyard. She is already a liability when I was about to take her to the darkest dungeon.

I'm trying the mods and the mod units break the game balance but they are fun as hell, and they are also nude.

>>16703977

Actually, I'd say Radiance is harder because

>You have a set number of weeks and deaths

>Every enemy gives more loots but they are also harder

I tried radiance on my first play through and found it way more unfair

Also, let's talk about classes and combos.

Highwayman is shit. Crusader is probably the best balanced. What the fuck is the Antiquarian for? Just getting rich?

As for combos, I like to use Man at arms at front, bounty hunter next, then the dog guy and then the crossbow woman. The combo is simple, specially for single targets. All these classes work best against marked enemies and all these classes can mark enemies. So as long as an enemy is marked, each turn deals 20+ damage.

>>16703852

I already mentioned one reason (meta is to ignore it).

But also:

-"Town is abuzz" makes the early game more boring as it blocks events.

-"The Crimson Curse" is fucking terrible and basically like being afflicted while also restricting how you use your town if you don't want to spread it.

-Vials and Invitations eat your inventory space.

-"The Fanatic" is a bitch to fight and his reward is fucking terrible, compare him to Thing From the Stars who can drop crystals, boss trinkets, AND gives extremely powerful quirks.

-Very few of the trinket set trinkets are superior to alternatives. Some are even insanely terrible and make no fucking sense.

-The infection mechanic used to make it so bloodsuckers filled other dungeons, decreasing enemy variety. They patched it out, but my hatred remains.

>>16704101

Highwayman is one of the best damage characters in the game. Focus only on blade skills, with tracking shot to remove stealth and buff. The build is so strong that in the last balance patch "Duelist Advance" was changed to only hit rows 1-3, and Antiquarian - a hero who is designed to be intentionally garbage for money - had "Protect Me!" nerfed to only 3 uses per fight because HWM abused it with riposte (way better than MAA, who honestly has better shit to be doing anyway).

>>16702983

No, there are no "steam mods only". Use "skymods" faggot, it mirrors steamworkshop and updates very often.

Mods that I would recommend:

Everything made by S-Purple and a few others (Duchess, Slayer, Omen Seeker, Cataphrac), everything Marvin Seo related (Falconer, Lamia, Sisters…) also as a bonus look for The Keeper.

All of these mods don't stand out that much visually and more or less fit with the game's art style while not being absolutely broken units like how Flagellant was on release.

Remember, for the love of god, to change manually yourself the roster size to do so:

Whenever you have installed DD - Campaign - Town - Building - Stage coach - stage coach .json

Open with Notepad++, there you can change the values of each upgrade to whatever you feel like, since you're adding more units (modded classes) put something around 50-70 for the last upgrade.

>>16703852

CC for a first timer is a nightmare and you should know that. It's a nice DLC but for veteran players, since it has a lot of bullshit:

>Fanatic is a really strong bossfight with awful reward, he will without a doubt kill your characters if you are not prepare for him since he's one of the few that surprise you on a hallway and running away from him means that one of you die

>The maps of the court are so god damn big that you need the wiki to help you move around the place or else you spend way too many weeks gathering blood for your vampires with no other chance in leveling / grabbing those trinkets/heirlooms that you need

>"Hidden" timer due to how the curse works

>The Baron boss fight is the only RNG bullshit in the entire game and it's the very first boss fight after the crocodolian

>You take too long to obtain a set for a character and even then only a few of those sets are even good to begin with

>>16703249

>Cove is pretty easy

>Weald is a bitch

Cove is worse than Weald my man. The only awful thing that the Weald has is the giant (the witch of the mushrooms is all about clearing corpses), which has low accuracy on his treebranch smackdown and can be easily debuffed meanwhile the Cove has AoE stress spookman, Crab that reduces healing received and adds 30 dmg on bleeding, Thralls that stress and the next turn nukes your party for around 25dmg, tons of armor, they heal each other and more.

In my opinion every area has certain champions or units that are strong or hard to fight against, it is true that the Warrens is the worst offender and that arguably the Ruins is the easiest (Big Bone Daddy + Tootman are a pain though).

>>16703959

The game has gotten much better after the updates, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. They only nerfed the stupidly overpowered stuff and actually toned down RNG by a lot.

>>16704101

You are confusing Radiance with Stygian/Blood Moon. Radiance is just the base game with less grind, better torchlight benefits and newcomers fully upgraded at lv4.

>Highwayman is shit

>One of the top tier vanilla characters

Sure thing

Antiquarian is for getting rich and making everyone have 60% or more dodge chance, she makes Jesters/GRob have so much dodge that you'll barely see them getting hit.

>I like to use…

>No healer

>>16704897

For a first timer avoid Court and go full vanilla. Keep in mind that Shieldbreaker will have dreams though, that's a unique mechanic that she has till you complete all of them, so be careful when going into a quest with her.

>>16705070

The only problem is them appearing outside of their area, really. Everything else is easy to manage.

>>16705227

There's a button to flee combat. Use it, you will never, ever, die due to "bad luck" if you use this. Seriously, fucking use it, it's better to run away and live than risking it. The game is about risk management, if you take the risk, you better be ready for ANY possible outcome.

>>16707137

If you want a glass cannon build in a mark team, then go with an Occultist, he's still a healer that can dish out damage and mark.

Highwayman is amazing because of his inmense damage, good crit, dodge and

high speed. His duelist advance is insane, his bleeding is great since it debuffs the bleeding resistance to make sure that you will yes or yes bleed anything except undeads, strong buff with Battle duration, point blank shot that has Leper-tier damage. He doesn't care about position, comes with anti ambush camping skills, anti surprise.

Highwayman is reliable and fits anywhere. Truly a bro that on top of that, starts with you Dismas is great.

On a side note since you said "Crusader is the best balanced" he's actually kinda low tier compared to the rest. Every character has its niche and uses, but generally speaking the Crusader only fits the Ruins which is once again, arguably the easiest area in the game and he is not able to deal with the backrow unless he is in third position or fourth without a way to go back by himself. Many times the Crusader will just feel like a poor stress release character or a "Leper with less damage but more accuracy".

Wanna know what are the OP units in the game? Vestal and Jester. Then some people will argue that Shieldbreaker and Hellion which I would agree with although these two are not good together and finally Flagellant / Plague Doctor. The rest are high tier (like bounty or highwayman), mid tier like the Arbalest or low like the Leper.

>>16707676

Nice numbers.

>4 piranhas

Oh yes I do remember the groupies and what can happen with bad luck

>The Usual Suspects

>Surprise the 4 of them

>Plague Doctor uses stun, misses the two of them

>Vestal uses stun, misses

>Highwayman duelist advance

>Crusader just hits because I want the front row to hit the Highwayman's riposte

>Backrow groupie position4 hits PD, normal damage doesn't pull

>Backrow groupie p3 hits PD, crits, pulls, still not on death door somehow

>Frontline focus PD, Death Door

>Death Blow

No, in the Cove there are 3 unique units that bleed not counting bosses and in the weald there are 4 blights and 1 bleeding. The gimmick of the cove was the stress thanks to the Ghast can survive for long as a stress dealer and how the crab, even if easy to deal with, can surprise you with his debuff if you are not able to deal with whatever comes with him.

The two main DoT heroes from the vanilla game are PD and Flagellant, they both hit the same targets with the exception of PD stunning meanwhile the Flagellant has more support skills. However, the rest of heroes that bring DoT are mostly bleeding, Hellion, Jester, Houndmaster, Highwayman, PD (Crimson Court trinket + Bloody Herb is a strong bleeding combo) and Flag total of 6 characters that bleeds not counting Occultist bleeding the party and PD will rarely bleed unless forced to go outside of Ruins/Cove. Meanwhile blight characters are Abomination, Shieldbreaker, Grave Robber (noone uses this move), PD and Antiquarian (noone uses this move) total of 5 characters but that 2 of them never use making it 3 characters that blight even if they give it lower use than those that can bleed.

So with what (vanilla wise) the game gives us, yes, there are more characters prepared to bleed than to blight.

Yes, it's normal that those that excel in ruins will do so on the Cove. The same that those that excel in Warrens will do so in the weald.

Mate, arguing which area is second hardest will get us nowhere because there's not much difference between the two dificulty wise with one having A gimmick and the other B gimmick. It's up to your parties composition to see which one suits you better.

The most important part however, is how horrible the Warrens is with its many diseases and backrow champion that can singlehandedly destroy entire parties with a crit + DoT.

I downloaded so many fucking class mods that I've been playing the game for like, 40 or 50 hours and I've got maybe 5 or 6 people at level 5. Out of 50. There is minimal class overlap, too.

Is there a way to make this game "portable" to keep the saves on a pen drive?

I want to play it along 2 different computers since work and moving around often

This fucking game man.

The atmosphere is what sold me at first, but the gameplay just can't carry the ridiculous amount of grind required to beat it. I've seen it compared to coockie clicker because it's so bad.

Still, I liked it enough to make a simple modding tool in Python.(I think I actually had more fun making the tool than playing the game. It was basically a way for me to learn about generators, list comprehension and regex in python.)

My tool is for bulk modding parameters. Scaling, clamping, step progression(modding e.g. a weapon damage from [1-8, 2-9, 3-10] to [1-8, 3-8, 5-9] or something like that)

It's a command line tool and not quite finished. You can't mod building upgrade costs and such. Also modding effect chances isn't implemented, I think. It's been a while.

I was going to use it to make a mod called "Deterministic Dungeon" as showcase of the tools. Basically, modify/scale parameters to remove randomness. example: Turn order is determined by base_speed + bonus + random_1d8 with the highest going first. Scaling all base_speed and speed bonus modifiers by 9 removes the effect of randomness. I was also planning to make a tutorial on how to make your own bash/batch script to "compile" your prefferred version of the mod. The mod would have had two or three different versions on steam (fully deterministic, less deterministic) and a tutorial for the tools on github.

Pic related shows a bash script modding of the resist values.

If anyone is still interested, I can upload it to mega or github or w.e. and explain a bit about how to use it.

Another mod idea of mine was about greatly reducing the grind and make uprade progression boss based. Basically, every building upgrade would cost only a few heirlooms, but heirlooms would only be dropped by bosses. The amount of missions to spawn boss missions would have been reduced to only 1-2 medium missions or 2-3 short missions. Long missions would probably have been cut entirely, unless people really wanted to have them.

Also, the gaps between upgrades would have become smaller to make not all of them mandatory and the starting weapons would already be at the first upgrade. I also thought about removing apprentice dungeons entirely(except bosses) and only having veteran and champion dungeons to speed it up further.

Resolve exp requirements would have been lowered to only one or two missions worth of exp. Gold cost of upgrades I wasn't sure about, but I think non-mandatory ones like the (rebalanced) late weapon upgrades would have been costly, with early upgrades being very cheap. This was intended to make the heroes actually disposable and cut down the bulk of the grind.

Some of these cuts may have been too much, but I basically wanted to reduce a single playthrough from 80-100 hours to 20-25 at the absolute maximum.

In the meantime, there's first DD lookalike entering (((Early Access))) tomorrow. You're playing as the necromancer crafting undead to fight your way back to surface.

https://iratus.org/

>>16702974 (OP)

>mods

Game is fine, use graphic mods only.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1416381126

I personally opened the game files and allowed myself 10 or so more heroes cause given all DLC you don't have enough space to accomodate a vampire party and enough variety.

To win the crimson court literally just build yourself for bleed (both damage and resistance) and blight or armor pierce (optional).

Final boss will shuffle your party every turn so get a jester &or a hellion to assemble back into position without losing turns. Also a Vestal with both healing spells helps.

To kill croc you can simply bring evasive heroes. Remember the torch is set to max always so cloaks and rings will work 100% of the time with no money sink on torches. Stack bleed and blight to circumvent his armor states.

>>16717905

>Fleeing is RNG

Press ESC, Gameplay, "Darkest" setting, "Fleeing can fail" remove the tick. It wasn't that hard, was it? There are options for people that don't like certain parts of the game that can be changed without mods.

>If you flee they may get a heart attack

How the fuck did you reach above 150 stress? How fucking bad have you played to reach that spot before camping for stress release? If you reached that stress there's noone to blame but you.

I'm garbage and use 3 trinkets and expanded inventory. I don't give a fuck.

>>16717945

Hey, as long as you're having fun you can go ahead and do whatever to the game.

>>16718210

>Rarely worth using stuns/debuffs

Wrong. Stun is highly valuable and some debuffs come handy in many situations, like decreasing enemy's prot if your team lacks DoTs.

Even if the stun only has a 10% chance it can be worth it in many cases, such as boss fights if the one doing the stun has low value on other moves at that very moment, a single stun on a boss/miniboss gives such massive momentum that it's truly worth it.

>DoTs are bad

Nigger, you clearly know jack shit of the game. DoTs are borderline OP, they stack, they go through prot. If you cared enough about the game you would find how often a party without DoT / Prot debuff struggles in certain areas.

DoTs are almost guaranteed to apply if you equip your team properly and go to an area where they can be hit with that "element". You bring blight to Ruins / Cove and it's gonna be guaranteed, you bring bleeding for the Courtyard / Warrens / Weald and it's gonna be guaranteed, in fact if you properly equip your character and use debuffs (the ones that you said are worthless) you can even make bleed in the ruins which have 240% resistances, so the excuse of DoT "not applying and being worthless" is nothing more than a bad joke (obviously putting all that effort to make skeletons bleed is not worth it but they are the only units on the game besides bosses that reach 240% resistances).

>Stacking speed buff is better than any other buff

Not true. In many fights you want slow heroes so they can react after the enemy and act accordingly. Stacking speed sacrifices other stuff that you may want on top of giving the posibility of the enemy doing a certain combo that ruins your entire momentum.

It is a legit complaint that you dislike 1d8 rolls for speed on top of the value each unit has, I personally like it because you are always on your toes however I can understand why someone may dislike that.

>I also greatly dislike the fleeing mechanic, even with a chance to fail. It really takes away from the whole "expedition" feeling if you can just bail out whenever

That's an expedition, it can fail and you have two options when failing: push your luck or leave. If you leave, you are punished with stress, no mission reward and those heroes will need at least one week releasing stress. Now, if you push your luck, you may lose one or more units posibly with their trinkets as well.

>Having said all that, I haven't played the game since 2017, so maybe subsequent updates improved the balance in those regards

The gameplay has been improved greatly and the spikes RNG reduced even though they are still there. The game got way more balanced and Mark teams are actually worth using instead of a waste of a move.

>New mechanics:

<Stealth: Enemies that used to be first priority targets are now untargeteables for two rounds unless AoE attack or the move has de-stealth. De-stealth moves from the heroes usually come with strong debuffs or strong buffs.

<Crit Buffs: Whenever a friendly unit crits, it will buff itself for the next round increasing something from the unit. Each unit is unique with the reward, a boost of damage, healing, etc

<Endless Runs: Dying with a character doesn't mean that it's over. They'll come back one or two weeks afterwards. There are max level characters that you can bring to this DLC as well for testing pourposes.

>>16718255

With the expedition feeling my point was more about how getting back to safety is uninteresting. Having to actually backtrack through the dungeon would make you more cautious and question whether you already pushed too far more often. I think making aborting the expedition an actual part of the gameplay instead of button with a stress debuff attached makes it more interesting. Although I think that would also require tweaking the dungeon generation to make them wider and shallower instead of deep linear corridors.

I started playing when it was still in early access, back before the weald and cove were even made. Using damage spam with aoe and later with single attacks was THE dominant strategy and it was such a persistent problem for so long that I gave up on it. During all that time, debuffs and dots were totally worthless and a strictly inferior option in every situation. The game was almost nothing but noob traps even long after release, since the majority of skills and classes were worthless compared to speedy damage dealers like the hellion.

And since the game is so grindy, I was really reluctant to try out rebalance mods, because I dreaded having to go through the early game grind (especially for mods that promised to make the game harder).

The new stealth and crit buff mechanics sound like good additions and I'll take your word for dots and debuffs actually being worth a damn now. I might think about picking this game up again.

>>16718369

I played the EA too and let me tell you: the game was utter shit compared to what it is now but that doesn't mean that it's perfect now either.

Yes, I agree, a button press to just "leave" is not as good as walking back on your own but even then, noone would dare to go back afraid of a Shambler spawning on the hallway.

Pirate the game, give it another try and do not activate Crimson Court for your first "comeback" to the game.

By the way after re-reading what I said, I don't think I worded correctly the last bit of the DLC Color of Madness, I meant that the Stage Coach will bring always maxed mercenaries that only will go on the Endless Runs but they will take part of the profit each run which works for you to test out teams.

>>16718404

Glass Cannon character. She deals massive amount of damage, high dot, crit, ignores prot, stealth, highest Dodge in the game (like Jester). Put her on position 3 with characters that can guard and doesn't mind being pushed one tile back. She's great with units that can apply blight and do not care about being moved too much, in other words, Shieldbreaker.

>>16718580

Here's another (You)

Been playing it recently. Somewhat better than I remembered it. I love the narrator and how he sounds like he is eating something all the time. But risk/reward is done badly in my opinion. The only thing you risking is time. But I guess if you enjoy the game it doesn't matter anyway. But routine encourages mistakes.

Also devs are faggots for not having v-sync or fps limiter in options.

>>16718210

>bitching about the RNG

>not out-RNG-ing the game by stacking dodge and crit

It's like you didn't even embrace the madness of the mansion yet.

DEUS VULT INFIDELS

>skills usable only once per battle

>now can only be used once per farmstead run

jesus fuck, i guess that was a viable strategy, so better remove it.

really shows how Red Hook doesn't care about actual balance and consistency, they just want to remove ways to use the game mechanics effectively. You can still use them once per battle in normal dungeons, just not in the Farmstead because it would be useful and potentially powerful

>>16749748

What would you want? Making new classes is pretty easy, and as far as I got to play, the profligates fits the game aesthetic with nude mods, in both gameplay and tone of the character story. Dunno what you mean with Dark Souls mods, though, but I'm guessing it's character classes based in Dark Souls.

>>16750265

ShindoL's character skins looks nice and not out of the game's art.

>>16750294

Don't starve is kind of a shit game anyway and pozzed to hell lately, with devs giving in to SJW mobs.

Also, as I said the profligates fits the aesthetic as well >>16703876

>The doujin artist

Yes, seems like he was commissioned to make art for the game.

People remember him from his shit works but his couple of wholesome works are worth reading. The rest should burn. He also released a DBS with broly and the green alien recently. Wholesome too.

Man, so glad sad panda is back.

>>16750358

>Broly has that many kids and many more on the way

God damn, that's a pretty good end for the guy, wish I could have this.

>>16750358

Gimme both the latter two doujins.

>>16750477

dubs meeting dubs glorious