/v/ - Video Games

Golden Sun 3 deserves a mention. It wasn't really a twist, it was that everything past the first hour or two of the game was a complete sidequest and the ending is basically the game going "oh shit, we forgot about our setup. here's a cliffhanger that should have been the second act of the game, bye!".

History: Turns out Hitler was right and did nothing wrong

Assassin's Creed: Ancient aliens were behind everything

Rage: the final boss is a button you have to press

Mafia 2: Everyone was just using rubber bullets, no one actually died in the game

Shenmue 2: Lan De was just pretending to be in Hong Kong

Condemned 2: You were a cult leader the whole time

Mystery of the Druid: Kill your girlfriend to save the world

>>16700709

How the fuck do you forget the cutscene in which you wake up with the "real you" beside you and being told you're just a clone and that nothing you did in the game mattered?

>Superstar Saga: Cackletta was just a puppet for Bowser

Didn’t Cack possess Bowser and take over his kingdom? I think you have it backwards

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

Fuck you this was a great twist. And you could choose to actually be assmad about it and kill everyone or go “Oh well I’m redeemed now so who cares.”

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

>when Wily has been long dead

Zero and the virus are because of Wily. Sigma serves no one but himself through the entire series. He cannot be Wily’s puppet.

>Sonic 2006: Iblis was just a puppet of Robotnik

The fuck? This couldn’t be farther from the truth. If anything he’s a puppet for Mephiles, if you ignore the fact they’re supposed to be the same life-form. I’m starting to question how well you recall these games OP and some of these aren’t endings anyway

A really bad twist ending would have to be Asscreed 3’s ending, where Desmond releases the evil goddess, Minerva I think, so she can enslave the world eventually, but by releasing her he’s somehow killed by the impact. The ending of the MC’s story is left on a cliff hanger with no resolution or follow-up five fucking games later.

How many of these games have you actually played, OP? A good chunk of these are outright false. You didn't even talk about Farenheit, despite posting an screenshot of it.

>>16700714

Oh, you're talking about the game ZeniMax made to spite the company that escaped them by trying to brand erase their game.

Fire Emblem Awakening: Lucina is not actually time travelling, and is simply in a different parallel world's present- Grima is Naga's offspring, and Ylisse is directly under the control of her cult who assassinated Prince Marth and replaced him with the OC donut from mystery of the emblem- in addition to suppressing information of the Origins of Valentia. Naga is a disembodied evil spirit, who has possessed and hollowed out her own daughter as a living vessel and maintains her eternity by spreading what is known as draconic degeneration to others of her kind- cannibalising them through her artefacts she gives to unwitting mortals. Medeus never perished in Shadow dragon- the one killed is actually the most intelligent remaining earth dragon given his dragonstone- whereas the true Shadow Dragon escaped and began gathering evidence on Naga's long-term deceptions that had started since fleeing the world of Binding.

Alm and Ike are fucking right- fuck gods.

>>16700674

I thought the whole twist ending with nu-Pray was the "we're already fucked so we're going to make the best of it and make friends with the aliens" part. Considering you spend a few of the missions trying to keep anyone from getting off the planet and have the aliens reach earth.

Not great, but I thought it was an interesting twist. Better than most. The whole "you're actually an alien" i saw coming within the first couple of 'un-explainable cutscenes, but yeah.

>>16700721

>Didn’t Cack possess Bowser and take over his kingdom? I think you have it backwards

he may be thinking of Antasma and Dream Team

>>16700674

>Detroit: It was all an analogy for discrimination against minorities

That's crystal fucking clear from the beginning of the game. The real shitty twist is that the child was a robot all along.

in all honesty there's more promise in Detroit than any of Cage's other "games", and I'm cautiously curious about whatever he does next

>>16700674

>Metal Gear Solid 4: Snake makes amends with all his enemies

>not Big Boss fakes death AGAIN, is a retard at math, is senile and kills vegetable man for no reason

Also Farenheit/Indigo Prophecy is the shittiest of all plot twists and you don't even talk about it despite posting a screenshot

>>16700782

Or that the team of goofballs from MGS3 made up the la li lu le lo

Or that Johnny was the most important character of all time AND marries Meryl

Or that Drebin and Maryl were working for the la li lu le lo the whole time for some reason

Fuck, that game's writing was a mess.

>Mass Effect 3: None of your choices actually mattered in the end

>Bad twist endings

It's not a twist if it's a poorly thought out OP. The previous games do this. Barring the obvious final choice in two.

>>16700766

Nah. Maybe he's thinking of bowser's inside story with the nigger star.

>Fable 2: The villain has an stupid reason, you may not even get to kill him, and your final choice doesn't really change nothing except for yourself and how the rest thinks of you.

>Terranigma: you save the world but you and your underworld must be erased along with the last boss because fuck you

>Nier

>>16700721

>>16700674

Cackletta was the villain, but at the last minute Bowser steps up and tries to fuck with you with her corpse. The game is easy as fuck though, so even as a last boss out of nowhere the fight is piss easy

And Wily just made the Sigma virus to fuck with Light, he never controlled properly. And his appearance in X5 was as a helper, not as a leader. (And then X6-8 happened and that storyline went down through Inafune's toilet)

>>16700792

>Cackletta was the villain, but at the last minute Bowser steps up and tries to fuck with you with her corpse.

That's not what happened at all, though. Halfway through the game, you beat Cackletta, then her spirit possesses Bowser's unconscious body and is the villain for the rest of the game. After you beat Bowletta, there's a short escape sequence before the castle explodes, and then that's the end of the game. There's no surprise boss fight with Bowser.

Kingdom Hearts II: Ansem from the first game wasn't really Ansem but instead the heartless of Ansem's assistant.

Jak 3: The ancient civilization that created everything were actually Daxter creatures.

FFX: Tidus was dead the whole time.

Chrono Cross: Everything

>>16700809

Jak 3's twist is directly in line with the humorous tone of the series, though, and gives a fair explanation as to why Daxter turned into a small fuzzy animal in the first place. If you're going to criticize its plot, criticize the fact that Tess gets turned into one of them.

>>16700809

whats wrong with chrono cross?

>>16700792

>Nier

You take this back you son of a bitch

>Partners in Time: Past-Mario warps through time to save the day

Nothing remotely like this happens, the twist is that the villain's never-before-mentioned sister is the real villain. You get to beat both of them to death, so it's no problem.

>>16700674

Add this to the list

Alan Wake: Made a shitty cliff hanger for a game that will never be made

>>16700782

>Also Farenheit/Indigo Prophecy is the shittiest of all plot twists and you don't even talk about it despite posting a screenshot

That's because the game turns into such a massive shitshow it reverses back to being good.

>>16700792

>Terranigma

Crysta was never real, you dumb fuck. You were a construct created by Dark Gaia and implanted with false memories to motivate you to break the seal on the underworld, which was its prison, and then awaken all life on the overworld, so it could destroy it. When you find that out, you go back down and kill it and by doing so, shatter the illusion and the only thing maintaining your existence. The ending is just Light Gaia taking pity on you and giving you a nice dream as you slip away.

>Bionic Commando (2009)

Spencer's missing wife is actually in his arm, and that Super Joe is an enemy manipulating an extremely contrived situation to get access to a superweapon.

>Danganronpa V3

Meta ending that is a middle-finger to the fans, basically saying "this series is driven into the ground and needs to die".

>Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;birth 2

The fucking conquest ending.

>>16700674

>Sonic 2006

>Iblis was Eggman's puppet

No. Eggman wanted to harness the power contained in the princess. The really stupid plot twist is that the game ends up snuffing all of what happened during it out at the end. Literally.

>>16700833

A game has to have some pretense of a possible sequel in case it's a hit.

>>16700833

Goddammit, anon. Just when I have forgotten about that. It was a good game.

AND NOW TO SEE YOUR LOVE SET FREE

>>16700674

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

but that was great

>>16700898

You can make a 'end of credit' sort of cliff hanger separate from the original plot, but Alan Wake chose to put all of it's focus on a "To be continued…" sort of ending.

>>16700901

And yeah, the game was the best shit I've ever played, it just kills me that's how it ends.

>>16700898

>basically saying "this series is driven into the ground and needs to die".

Well, they weren't wrong there at least.

>the villain has shown himself time and again to be a irredeemably evil fucker

>time finally comes to take him down

>its suddenly revealed that he had good intentions and really wasn't all that bad

>everyone just goes along with it and completely ignore all the shit he did

>he's allowed to die peacefully and get a somewhat happy ending

Can you guess the game?

>>16700674

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

Where in the hell did you get that from? Is the rest of the list bullshit as well? Of all the shit on it, I only played Megaman and Mass Effect.

>>16700958

This is so cliche there's probably a dozen examples bare minimum.

>>16700972

And its terrible every time

>real villain was the cliche main villain for every other game in the series all along

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>>16700674

>Star Ocean 3: The Universe is a video game

I was fine with this. I understand why a lot of people hate it but I liked it. I know, fuck me.

>>16700674

>Star Fox Adventures: General Scales was just a puppet of Andross

Bait and switching villains was always the planned. Even when the project was dinosaur planet.

>>16700674

A lot of what you listed aren't "twists" or they're either incorrect.

>>16701175

Bad ending leaves the same horrible taste as a bad twist

didn't a Yakuza game have like a character shoot up some place killing lots of people only for it to turn outnthat he shot them with rubber bullets and someone else killed them after him?

>>16700942

>>16700898

On top of it needing to die, it was a middle finger to all the fanfic and cosplayer faggots that talked a big game about what they'd do in that situation as if they're badasses.

>>16700818

Everything you did in Chrono Trigger ruined everything for everyone.

>>16701205

I'd probably hate my fans too if the only reason my game got popular was due to a goon translating it and then spreading it to tumblr.

>>16701184

I won't deny that but the OP's still full of falsehoods.

>>16700958

Kingdom Hearts 3.

>>16701220

Objection, KH3's ending was better than most of the shit writing that went into it.

>>16701237

No, they do, but they just refuse to acknowledge it and often project it onto their own kind.

>>16701237

AYO HOL UP

*deplatforms conservatives*

SO YOU BE SAYIN'

*shouts down opponents*

WE WUZ OPPRESSED

*bans anyone right of Lenin from echo chamber*

N SHIIIIIIET?

*forces bakery to bake gay cake*

At least half of these aren't even fucking 'endings', twists, or even true.

>>16700748

I know people don't like Awakening here, but if you're gonna shit on the writing you could at least pretend to know what happens in it. The only part of this that's correct is the series operating by DBZ time-travel rules. Aside from Grima being Naga's kid (Which is only 25% right,) the rest reads like a shitty fanfic from some SerenesForest cuck that somehow thinks Path of Ike and Radiant Solo are "difficult" games.

>>16701222

Nah. Say what you want about KH, but Xehanort's original motivation to blow up the universe because he wanted to know what would happen next, and going about it like a scientist would was at least slightly interesting.

>>16701220

Correct

>>16701258

This, one of the things I liked about Nort was how much of a massive piece of shit he was but justified it all because of his own simple curiosity

>>16700714

OP didn't specify it was nuPrey, so he used the first game as a reference.

>>16700674

>Mario Bros 2: It was all a dream that Mario was having

I think Subcon is meant to be a literal dream world not just a simple dream.

>>16700674

>Heavy Rain: Scott was intentionally faking his inner monologue the whole game

He was just incredibly vague, and the game (for obvious reasons) just didn't let you hear him thinking "I'm the origami killer" at any point.

The game's got some problems but you have to be genuinely retarded if something like this is too hard for you to grasp.

>>16701368

It's literally short for subconscious.

>>16701368

It's a shared dream world and is the same world from Link's Awakening. Also, isn't Subcon technically just the world that you go to through those doors that you make with the potions, where everything is a silhouette? I don't know if the main world from the rest of the game has a name.

>>16701370

The execution is the real problem.

>>16701370

If you're reading someone's thoughts you'd think he would've at least had a little suspicious line when dealing with the guy who claimed to be the killer and other times. It's not that he's just vague, it's that even after a replay it feels like Scott is intentionally omitting his thoughts about being the killer to the player, which makes it feel really stupid when the reveal happens.

>>16701404

>it feels like Scott is intentionally omitting his thoughts about being the killer to the player

So at what point would you have preferred Scott to think "It's weird that there's a copycat killer. By the way I'm the actual killer lol"?

>>16701248

>>16700711

>Mystery of the Druid: Kill your girlfriend to save the world

You just have to stab your girlfriend, not kill her

>At the end, there are no druids

Did the guy in the capture just fuck up? There's a whole end scene with them at the stonehenge

Skip video to 1h 20m for ending.

>>16701410

>>16701370

Your writing is goatshit Mr. Cage.

>>16701410

That would've been far better than the game straight up lying to the player about what happened to the typewriter guy and Shelby never showing any signs of being the killer just because Cage wanted the EPIC TWIST at the end of the game.

>>16701416

Does it have multiple endings?

>>16700674

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

I disagree that this was bad, yes its a one shot thing and the game needs to be played multiple times but still it works either way you can lean into it hard or play redemption.

>>16700779

>in all honesty there's more promise in Detroit than any of Cage's other "games"

Mostly because you actually have choices that matter in Detroit to the point where you can end the game with all of the main characters dying.

>>16701370

He fucking kills people off screen while you have control of him and then has an inner monologue about how they just missed the killer.

>>16701456

You can end the worst story (the girl) near the start and not see anymore about that, it's great. Showing all the decision trees after each chapter was a good choice, it actually encouraged me to replay, instead of immediately needing to wash the taste out of my mouth.

>>16700674

>tokyo mirage sessions #fe

Barry never actually gets euthanized despite being literal human trash and Saiko never joins the party despite being the best girl.

>>16700791

>ME3

You're gay

>>16701190

Yakuza 4.

To put it in even more astoundingly unbelievable terms, an untrained brute with next to no knowledge of firearms went into a restaurant filled with people from an enemy clan and shot them all, killing them. He was imprisoned for mass murder.

Except no, wait, the gun he was given had rubber bullets, and being shot with these rubber bullets (somehow) knocked out everyone who was hit and he assumed, despite the lack of blood and gray matter, that he had actually killed them all. A person inside the room, hit with one of these rubber bullets that immediately knocked out all of his clan members, then executed each person inside with a single expertly placed headshot, making it look as though the untrained brute was instead an ace sniper capable of instantly headshotting a dozen and a half enemies before they were able to kill him instead. This point is never noticed or noted by police.

Except no, wait, the police did in fact notice this. After the untrained brute ace sniper mass murderer pacifist was taken in, a double agent yakuza posing as an undercover cop noticed this discrepancy because he was in on the plot the entire time and simply left this out of the investigation notes, apparently somehow being the only investigator assigned to a mass murder/gang war crime scene.

Except no, wait, he had a partner, who noticed the report was faked, who the undercover yakuza cop then murdered to cement the coverup story that a mass murderer pacifist who only knows how to use his fists expertly headshotted 18 members of an enemy clan but wait no it was 17 members but no it was actually 16 because the chairman survived too and the entire thing was a plot to become second in command of a Yakuza family that was simultaneously pulled off by 3 different Yakuza families with semi-police support.

Or maybe I missed something.

umineko: lmao im not telling you what happened because youre fags

later: ok the tranny did it

>>16700674

>Superstar Saga: Cackletta was just a puppet for Bowser

what? that wasn't the twist, that isnt even what happened at all

the twist in superstar saga was that peach never lost her voice at all and that mario and luigi going to mexico beaner land bean bean kingdom basically makes everything worse

but it's still dumb because all peach had to do was to not let mario get dragged along by bowser and the beanstar would have stayed safe and sound in the castle

>>16700711

>Mafia 2

That’s also the twist for Yakuza 4.

>>16700674

Also, the twist for Persona 4 is only half true, since Kira Adachi still murdered all those people.

>>16701688

Fucking flag.

Disregard, had it on from another thread.

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

u fucken wot m8?

>>16701361

The person who played must've fucked up. There are actual druids. He got the mediocre ending. In the proper ending, after they time traveled and confront the druids in the barrow temple thing, the main character manages to best the main druid but only has one thing demanded of him: that no harm come to himself or the woman with him. The main evil druid laughs heartedly at this foolishness, but agrees. Main character and woman go back to the present, they get to Stone Henge, and the main character stabs the woman/his girlfriend with a broken pair of scissors (she won't die if it's a broken pair of scissors). Then the main character shouts out that the druid's ancestor promised no harm would come to them, and clearly that pact has been broken since you just harmed your girlfriend. This literal interpretation of the pact being broken causes the last druids to die.

>Mario Bros 2: It was all a dream that Mario was having

You mean, Doki Doki Panic?

>>16701717

OP is wrong, it was not a dream, the adventure took place in the LAND OF DREAMS, so they did happen, just in another reality.

>Detroit: Become Human

>A twist

You play as a black robot nigger. And you have to stand at the back of the bus. It's fucking heavy handed is what it is.

>>16701565

Japanese police are extremely corrupt and only started cracking down on Yakuza because they started shooting them in real life. Even if the Yakuza weren't getting their hands dirty the court system is so fucked that her was screwed either way.

>>16701384

That dimension you're talking about is Subspace. Subcon is the "dream kingdom" the main game is in.

>>16701719

This. Mario was technically having a dream, but Subcon was still a real place that he saved. You just need to be dreaming to get there.

>>16701512

>This fag didn't play andromeda

Go blow your dog or something.

>>16701799

>>16701828

>>16701384

>Game 1

>Takes place in a dream world, encounter a mysterious figure hero who has the same goals you do but you never directly interact much, except perhaps one moment of heroism or a nod to each other when things get grim

>Game 2

>Takes place in the real world, said figure appears again, but both him and PC have no knowledge of past events

It would be a fantastic detail to a well written game. Shame it'll never happen

>>16701660

the fake voice was quick thinking and not a permanent solution. once Cackletta noticed the fake voice, they would've marched right back to the Mushroom kingdom, likely with bowser's captured army in tow. there'd be nothing stopping them as mario would be too weak to put up any real resistance. And Luigi wouldn't get his cool lightning powers.

GTA 5 ending. You have to either kill i-am-so-randumb guy or boomer fuck but you cant kill nigger because that would be obvious choice. Also whole game plot is retarded. "I AM SO CRAZY GONNA KILL A WHOLE DRUG CARTEL BY MYSELF!"+"I AM SO CUCKED GONNA KILL MY WIFE`S BOYFRIEND!" and than it goes to "fbi ordering me around and I am apologizing" and than "what if we kill the fbi? great idea, why I never thought of this before!".

>>16701706

Why not? Would be even better if it was brother to murder brother. Most dnd games are made purely of pure cliches.

>>16702011

>but you cant kill nigger because that would be obvious choice

Some guy found things in the code of the game that indicates this was considered and Lamar would have done it.

>What Remains of Edith Finch

You thought you were a girl but your a guy and your mom died lol

>Megaten 2 or Kyuuyaku Megaten 2

You kill god and somehow humanity rebuilds Tokyo overnight

>Bioshit 1-Infinite

All endings suck

SMT4A

The entire Bonds ending for being Persona tier, The massacre ending for trying to be Nocturne but failing and those fake Law/Chaos endings that lead to nothing during the whole Yamato reactor event

>>16700690

This.

>>16702107

How would this have played out? Who would you play as? Do we not know?

>>16701717

No, Doki Doki Panic is a book, not a dream.

>>16700833

American nightmare is the sequel.

>>16700674

Other M ain't exactly a twist since…you know, Fusion kinda spoiled it? Now MGS4's twist that Zero was behind all this was out of the blue..well, that and Big Boss somehow survived twice (fuck MGS5's "There's two Big Boss" thing with a rusty spoon)

>>16702107

I'm guessing that didn't work out because the only person who wanted him dead was some gang banger who barely mattered, and not even him so much as Lamar.

>>16703134

morgana could've been literally anything and it would've been better than "well, he was uhh… created to help you. at some point. yeah. he just, you know, randomly bumped into you once, it was destiny or some shit, midichlorians told him where you would be."

>>16700786

>Or that Johnny was the most important character of all time AND marries Meryl

He legitimately was, and not just johnny, the entire sasaki family, if it wasn't for their kind hearts and cowardice the entire saga wouldn't exist because big boss would have been tortured to death in russia by a gay man with electric powers.

>>16702893

The developers released the mod tools for Hatred not too long after it came out if I'm not mistaken. Did any interesting come from that? I remember anons on here were talking about making Moon Man and Beta Uprising mods.

The universe of Star Ocean 3 is not a videogame. It's a universe created out of an experiment and put in a museum. The museum is interactive, but it's not a hot MMO everybody plays.

mario Bros 2, in all honesty, is better to just be a dream. That world was fucking whack. Either way in mario bros 2 no plot happened so it doesn't really matter. It's not like there was character development that suddenly was wasted because it was a dream. no plot happened.

>Other M

Adam is a gigantic faggot and I'm glad he fucked off. It was then when Samus stopped acting like a little bitch.

>Superstar Saga

that's just straight up bait

>Megaman X

you're just being retarded now

>>16700809

Now these are actually bad examples, except for Jak 3 which IDK why anon put that there.

>>16703134

>Surprised the mascot didn't play a bigger role.

He's almost beat for beat Kuma/Teddie from P4.

Now that connection is made even more apparent in P5 Royale where they make Mona a human, just like Teddie!

You remember Persona 4, right kiddos?

>>16702988

Allegedly, Mystery of the Druids was a product of spite. The German developers had a deal with a UK publisher to make a point-n-click adventure game and they do hated the concept they intentionally made the puzzles obtuse, the story retarded, and the characters and setting completely unlikable and insane. In reality, it was the developers first of many adventure games, their publishers were also German, and the game sold very well in Germany despite being panned in reviews. It's almost certainly 100% parodic as it was well after the Golden Age of Adventure Games and the moon logic of those games were well known. Also, its revealed that the detective didn't kill his girlfriend because he had a sprig of magic mistletoe. Ruins the gag of the game where he is just a whiny, incompetent douchebag psychopath just like everyone else in Scotland Yard who has no care of killing innocents for minor convienences.

Don't remember the name, but there was this one shitty game i played where the twist was that you were a pregnant woman, and it wasn't obvious until the second playthrough where you could immediately look down and notice that you had tits and a bulging stomach, and the only reason you never looked at your feet was because the game was a fucking walking simulator with no puzzles or anything, so there was absolutely no reason to ever do that. Why is it a bad twist ending you ask? Because the story pointed towards you being a dead man whose soul got stuck in his parent's house, but it turns out it's just some girl revisiting the house she was raised in because she believes it'll make her a better mother or something equally stupid.

>>16703176

True. His actual origin was pretty much just "oh yeah, I threw together some leftover bits of consciousness and made a thing," which was a huge anticlimax when you'd spent most of the game wondering what he actually was.

>>16703231

>You remember Persona 4, right kiddos?

Yes indeed, as does everyone else, which made it quite surprising - and not in a good way - that they literally just made Morgana Teddie 2.0.

For the first half of the game, my working theory was that the obviously evil pancake detective was actually the shadow from Morgana's dreams who had stolen Morgana's real body (and that, when he was exposed midway through the game, Morgana would get his body back but remain a party member). Wrong, but still better than what we got.

But the big letdown was near the finale where you come face to face with Igor. You then go and free all your party members from their cells… except Morgana. And then you go back to Igor and Lavenza's all, "Oh, you want to know where your friend Morgana is? Wellll… the truth is … Morgana is … he's just over there in that corner."

It really felt as though the game was building up to the big reveal that Morgana had been the real Igor the whole time, which would have made more sense and been a much better twist… and would also have solved Igor's voice problem. I really wonder if the game went through a rewrite midway through, because as it is a lot of the story beats seem… odd.

>>16700714

The game is shit, but you weren't a clone, you're a mimick that was tricked into thinking you're that guys brother/sister, in the hopes you'll help them reconcile the war between your race and theirs. There's also ample evidence that they're tricking you to make it seem as if everything was that dude in the end credits and the person you thought you weres fault, when it's likely the humans started shit first, and ended up getting stomped on earth by the mimics for swinging first. "You're" not there, iirc the person you think you are died already or is on earth missing, and they need you to fix everything, the brainwashed mimic.

>throw in actual truth so the lies are convincing

Motherfucker. This faggot OP scares me.

>>16702988

The "dream world is real" approach makes Link's Awakening sadder in a way. Marin was real, but now you'll probably never see her again. Link having to leave a companion at the end of the game is a common thing, so if you interpret it that way it's one of the first times it's happened.

>>16703134

if Igor told me to go to bed I wouldn't even question it

>>16703344

what sucks about the game's ending is that the shit the protag was being prepared to do sounded like a much more interesting game to play

you beat a game, get told the game is fake, and are then told about what you're really going to be doing… but then the game ends there

>>16700674

>Mario Bros 2: It was all a dream that Mario was having

it was always a dream; read the manual

>Superstar Saga: Cackletta was just a puppet for Bowser

did you even play it? Bowser was a puppet for Cackletta's ghost

>Partners in Time: Past-Mario warps through time to save the day

not actually what qualifies as a twist

>Metal Gear Solid 4: Snake makes amends with all his enemies

also not a twist

Ocelot being possessed by Liquid but not really because hypnosis and nanomachines is a twist. Big Boss being alive is a twist. The reveal you've been injected with a fresh strain of FOXDIE that's pushing out the old strain enabling you to live to the end of your natural life cycle is a twist.

Snake finding it in himself to try to understand and forgive his enemies? Not a twist

>>16703405

I actually liked the premise: Alex's long dead, shit is fucked, and they train a mimic to feel empathy (in a not so subtle way, they keep dropping hints to "mirror neuron's" every 15 minutes).

What they SHOULD have done is make that the mid-point of the game. Heck, it would work if it was near the end too.

You wake up from the VR sim, you can still kill the fat fuck or not, and then go back on the station. Everything is as you left it (because you were technically relieving Alex's memories) or possibly a bit more fucked (because some time passed). Then you fuck around for a couple more hours before ending the game, fully knowing you're a Mimic with alien powers.

Heck, you know what would have been absolutely great? If they did a reverse-Xen.

In Half life, you've got that one moment where your powering up the Gate, and then jump through.

So you wake from the Simulation, go back on the station, and your "gate" is an escape shuttle.

The reverse-Xen? The goddamn Earth: twisted and fucked by the Mimic forces. Then you go into Transtars HQ, where a giant fetus screams at you giant Phantom boss fight takes place, and the game ends shortly afterwards.

Goddamn, they wouldn't even need a lot more assets than this.

>If you kill me, we are the same!

>>16703531

>not wanting to play a game where you become the person you kill

>each new level you're playing the previous level's boss

Sounds fun.

>>16703245

Was it "What Remains of Edith Finch" or some such?

>>16702856

>squid sisters

moar

>>16701565

Don’t forget how the deception was noticed by a police lieutenant who blackmailed the Yakuza into doing his bidding so he could eventually become police commissioner and further his political aims.

Yakuza 4 was a clusterfuck of a story. And it’s getting a rerelease so new generations can experience the Keikaiku for themselves. I don’t like the new Tanimura, I know why they did it, but I don’t like it

>>16703193

Spetsnaz Johnny had nothing to do with him escaping, the Sorrow ghost gave him the door code.

>>16700711

>Mafia 2: Everyone was just using rubber bullets, no one actually died in the game

What, when the fuck does this happen?

I dont think lunafreya was the assassin? What?

>Detroit: It was all an analogy for discrimination against minorities

That wasn't a twist ending. That was literally the whole premise of the game's story.

The twist was the little girl being a robot the whole time, and the woman robot just happened to forget all about it throughout the whole game

>>16700714

If you're talking about nuPrey you should say so. This is a patrician board, so people here have played the actual Prey and will think of that initially.

>>16703569

Funniest part of that twist is that no one seemed to care, especially not Zero who just shrugged and destroyed his original self.

>>16703531

>no, nevermind that I'll kill more people if you let me go, killing is only bad if it's you!

>>16703569

this was an artstyle retcon but still a huge waste

if you look closely, though, Omega's buster sprite is edited to look like part of his arm; it's a nice touch

Why is KOTOR in this list?

You being the villain is a great twist.

>>16700674

>FF15

Wat? That was the twist with Lunafreya?

<never saw the movie or animu

>>16700883

I took it as Gaia taking pity by reincarnating you as the bird and thus implying that all of you in the underworld were thrown into the cycle of life as a thank you for saving the world.

>>16713050

Agreed, I hate it for the forced kill the civilians but I liked the little things in the game. Like how at the beginning you yell out basic instructions to your pals and your melee attacks are simple gun buts.

But by the end you simply scream at your friends to fucking kill everyone when you tell them to do something and your melee attacks become a lot more brutal and vicious. Also I have a weakness for mindfuck scenes, I just like them.

>>16713141

>pay 60 dollary doos for a video game

Do you simply not pirate and or pick them up cheap from a used game store?

>>16713141

>>16713153

The big problem with the devs' "you could have turned off the game" thing is that the player is too disconnected from Walker for it to feel like an ending. The player wants to know what the fuck happens to this crazy bastard and see all the content, so they keep playing. That and the phosphorus scene are the two most disliked bits in the game because it otherwise handles player choice really well for a linear third person shooter.

>>16713050

This would have been great if you really could just turn around and jump on the helicopter in the beginning.

>>16713253

The lead writer of that turd most likely pulled that shit out of his ass because he was freelance and had no investment in the game's success. He's just some permanently disgruntled Canadian who can't do anything but subvert and inject identity politics into everything. Fun fact: he was also consulted for, and probably did a lot of, the writing for RE7 which would explain why like half of it can boiled down to "hurr southerners bad xDDD" while going full retard with shit like having a basement in a house in the middle of a fucking swamp.

>>16713267

Or pretty much at all at any point before the white phosphorus scene with hidden tucked away nooks and crannies as escape routes. It would be a huge difference to the player if they try to make a point of being forced, only to find that yes they really could have just turned around and leave.

>>16713271

Don't forget the part where your leg magically attaches itself back to you and then is never commented on again, fighting the infection as you went through the game while it gave you different benefits could have been interesting.

Oh and the fact that the main character never once says or reacts in anyway to the weird warping old lady in a wheelchair who somehow keeps popping up where ever you go. Then you point the gun at her and the game won't let you which spoils the fact that she is very important.

>>16713301

It says a lot about their priorities with that game that one of the bigger reactions he has is seeing a bunch of bugs in a wall cavity right after having his hand chopped off and being force fed those same bugs. I'm not kidding when I say RE4 was more sensible in a lot of ways.

>Persona 4's twist ending not God-tier

the game does not want you to figure out that there's someone else pulling the strings, and actively tries to convince you to miss the ending, it was almost Snow Queen Quest levels of hidden bullshit

>>16713327

>P4 true ending

>well hidden

This isn't the lol thread.

>>16701565

>This point is never noticed or noted by police.

Despite Yakuza 4's plot being really cluttered, the police actually does take notice.the chief commissioner notes that the report is suspicious and confronts one of the detectives working on the case about it. He then uses it as a bargaining chip to get introduced to said dectetive's yakuza ties, in exchange of shoving it under the rug.

>I defeated the literal devil

>Gotta hide the evil gem that can bring it back to our world

>Ram it in my head full speed, nothing wrong with that

I loved Diablo 1 and 2, but that was just belt-on-helmet retardation

>>16713267

That's one of the few things Far Cry 4 and 5 made right: if everything is fucked at the end and really the best move was to not play at all, they actually give you that choice at the beginning. And it's the best ending in both cases.

>>16702893

This is gold-tier satire.

>>16717837

"Replaying" the game after beating it to get the early ending is always nice if it's averting the disaster you caused the first time playing. If the game does it well you can walk away having learned something and set things back the way they should be. Actual time travel/new game plus helps too but you don't need it.

>>16703434

>it was always a dream; read the manual

Don't even need the manual. It tells you if you just don't press anything for a few seconds on the title screen. The entire story is there to read.

>>16720652

Reincarnations of Marin/Malon appear in a ton of Zelda games. Subcon, and Koholint Island (which is in Subcon) is a real place, but you just so happen to access it by dreaming.

The real twist is that it retcons For the Frog the Bell Tolls as also being a dream all along.

>>16720060

Thankfully the aliens are still sexy.

>>16720771

marin and maron aren't the same person, idiot

>>16720900

>implying

They obviously are just different tlansrations or sperrings of the same name.

>>16729499

マリン and マロン are not the same.

>>16729535

But they sound the same. It's practically no different from every other character in Zelda, who all are different people in different games, but still the same "characters."

>>16729655

>ri and ro sound the same

Quit embarrassing yourself.

>>16729663

Close enough and you know it. You're being pedantic.

>>>/v/16729689

It's honestly astounding how stupid you are.

>>16729709

Ironic.

"A father and daughter named Marin and Tarin that were introduced in Link's Awakening for GameBoy also appeared in this Zelda game. We're hoping that people who've played the Zelda series from the very beginning will recognize them. If you wonder "is this a reference to then?" we'll be happy." —Toru Osawa

Your assertion that this is fundamentally any different from any number of other secondary characters reappearing across separate games like this is so pedantic that you probably have actual medical autism and not just the fun internet kind. Next you'll tell me Syrup isn't the same character across games because she couldn't possibly by alive in both Link to the Past and Minish Cap, and she's also in Link's Awakening, which isn't even the same world. Well no shit it isn't literally the same person. It still clearly is a reference to the previous game in which a very similar person appeared.

Planet Earth

>>16732020

By having split personalities, or being a shit writer.

>>16732020

>I know you can read my thoughts, anon.

>>16732050

>meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

>>16732020

By being written by David Cage, that's how.

>>16732132

>literal NPC

>>16704139

I think Megaman ZX Advent had that.

>>16732186

>speaking in your head

>head speaking to you

>not speaking at all, just running on pure instincts / programming

>>16700674

Actually I think the twist with Persona 4 was kinda interesting, it was incredibly obvious (especially in Golden) toward the end that Adachi was a villain, but you'd never really think to look at the gas station attendant who didn't even have a portrait to go with her.

>>16700711

>Mafia 2

WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT? WHERE IS THIS MENTIONED?

>>16700782

Actually he did have a reason, and it was expanded upon in MGS5, he thought Zero created the parasite and fucked up his base, he had no idea that Zero made the plot to have a doppelganger nor did he know that his survival was from him.

It was supposed to make the twist in 4 sad because Big Boss blamed the wrong person.

Honestly the real twist is everything in MGS is fucking that dumb nigger Sigint's fault.

Pokemon Black and White

>A guy who happened to agree with N actually had ulterior motivations. That means that all the points N made about the morality of how humans treat Pokemon are now invalid because reasons

Would have been fine if they successfully went out of their way to actually show that N was wrong, but his points are practically never addressed. They just set up this other guy as a strawman to knock down and then be like "Hah! It's bad to try to take over the world! That's why you're wrong, N!" Even though he never wanted to do that.

>>16701455

>they even strawman fans as entitled

Are we SURE Japs aren't getting pozzed?

>>16732132

What if the voice is my voice

>>16732683

>bugmangainssentience.png

>Fallout 3

The entire game is centered about purifying one basin of water, except that, as shown in fallout new vegas, it is piss easy to create purified water from dirty water using, you know, sand? The technology that your father creates is amazing, and if you side with the enclave, there is an actual reason to infect the water supply, but still, you end up wasting your fucking time, as anybody who isn't retarded could just teach the 2 or 3 major towns the game has how to purify it's own water without wasting a perfectly functional geck that could cleanse the land and actuallymake it livable again. The real plot twist is that everyone in D.C is a low iq retard, except your father, who just has a purifier fetish, even madison li and her men think his plan is retarded. Also, you might doom D.C to being an irradiated shithole where nothing ever grows again as well, but that is mitigated somehow if you choose to help harold spread in the oasis side quest

>Pokemon X/Y

Lysandre was right all along, and by stopping his plans, you doom poke-france to be infested with niggers till the end of time

>Call of duty : Advanced Warfare

The entire second half of the game is centered around a literal lie/false flag that the spec ops nigger whats his face forges so irons' top men will betray him and overthrow the only thing threathening (((world peace))), that being atlas. KVA were russisn isis, meaning they worked for us and israel, as the some sort of boogeyman as the former is in our world, and you're pretty much the villain that destroys actual peace and stability like a fucking nigger. irons did literally nothing wrong, and that's why his reaction to your actions in the last few missions is of genuine disgust and disappointment

>Call of duty zombies

(((Illuminati))) is actually controlled by the ancestors, as shown in the extinction game mode, which means that richtofen was literally taking over the planet in the name of some ancient jews talking to him in his head. Ironic, considering he is a nazi. Apothicons, which you meet in the later games, are the alternate reality "evolved"/ascended/final form ancestors, from the universe where richtofen succeeded in his plans to take over the planet again, or when the other 3 didn't blow up the earth(with the ancestors still in their underground arks). What I'm saying is, the plot twist is that it was the jews all along

>>16732755

*succeeded in his plan to help the ancestors take back over the planet again

Diablo: Humans were the demons all along.

>>16713050

The message wasn't for you, you fucking retard, it was the MC mind lashing at him for going insane

>>>/v/16747501

>goons still assblasted nobody likes their blatant propaganda

>>16747495

The picture is to appear like a shitpost, but my message was for people like us. You aren't alone, anon. I've found tons like us. Stay strong.

>>16732498

But N's points were just retarded given what we know about pokemon, they live to fight and love to be useful to humans, they literally can't complete their life cycles without fighting, and many could never possibly evolve in the wild without human intervention (i.e. some can only evolve when they've made a deep connection to a human, or when exposed to extremely rare minerals/particular locations, or even when their master changes in a trade).

How fallacious N's argument is should be self evident even to a child, given this and that almost everything anyone ever talks about is how happy and fulfilled their pokemon companions are.

>>16747971

>14 heartbreaking backstories that will make you think "fuck having borders and shit"

>>16747745

>or the real world where you become a degenerate criminal

It's more fulfilling when you look at it as a parody of the notion that video games make people violent.

>>16748264

>Second, that twist was great.

It does absolutely fucking nothing to the plot. You're literally doing the same thing you were going since you left Dantooine after that twist without any change. That makes it a terrible twist.

>>16748345

That's true, I suppose. Never thought about it in that context but it has been a while since the 90s when games like this and Phantasmagoria were totally vilified.

>>16748544

if light side, sure

dark side opened up options for making zaalbar kill mission and claiming your throne at the star forge from your bitchass cripple of an apprentice yadda yadda

The real trash was KotOR2 having no real relation to the first game and ending with a wimper of an ending.

>>16748678

Play the sith lords restored content mod. the version with out the robot planet.

>>16747745

Your love interest IS real. Steve and Stephanie are the only living being in Harvester. That's why the game ends with you having to choose what do to; You spent the whole game killing virtual characters in gruesome ways and at the end, you are given the choice to "kill" her (well, you bash her head virtually, but she's being "unplugged" in real-life) or let her go and you both die in real-life.

>>16748823

Well the stupid thing is they have no reason to trust their captors because they are completely helpless. If there were a group of killers so depraved that they would kidnap impressionable teens and then force them through a desensitization simulation in hopes that they also become killers, they would have no reason to allow you to live that fantasy (even though that ending shows it ostensibly happening). They would just say "lol what a casual" and then unplug you anyway. It's in their best interest so they have another "slot" to put another unwitting kid in.

>>16748823

>>16748943

Whoops, I misread your post and it's been a while since I saw the end to this game. I suppose the message is it's better to die a moral person than live to be a murderer.

>>16732683

Personally I feel thinking in words is about equivalent but considerably slower.

>>16732683

From psychology today:

This series of blogs has been describing pristine inner experience–whatever is directly in your experience at some moment. My colleagues and I have given people beepers to carry into their everyday natural environments; when the beeper randomly beeps, they jot down notes about whatever experience happened to be ongoing (their "pristine" experience) when signaled by the beep. Later we interview them about these experiences.

I've been saying that this procedure reveals five frequently occurring phenomena of everyday inner experience: inner speech, inner seeing, feelings, sensory awareness, and "feature 5." I haven't said what feature 5 is, giving you the opportunity to commit yourself to your speculation. Now I'll describe it: unsymbolized thinking.

Unsymbolized thinking is the experience of an explicit, differentiated thought that does not include the experience of words, images, or any other symbols. For example, if you had been beeped a moment ago, you might have experienced an unsymbolized thought which, if expressed in words, might have been something like I wonder what Feature 5 is. But if this was an unsymbolized thought, there would have been no experienced words–no experience of the word "wonder" or of "Feature 5." There would have been no experienced images–no seeing of a beeper or of anything else. There would have been no experienced symbols of any kind, and yet you would have directly apprehended ("before the footlights of your consciousness") yourself as thinking that exact thought.

Another reader might have said to herself while reading, "I wonder what Feature 5 is?" That experience would have ben very different from yours, involving the experience of words. And another may have innerly seen a list that looks like this

inner speech

inner seeing

feelings

sensory awareness

______

with a blank where the fifth feature will appear. Another may have felt a mild irritation with me for wasting time before I got to the point. Another may have been thinking about the war in Iraq. Another may have had no inner experience at all while reading that paragraph, was simply reading with comprehension.

There are thus lots of experiences that people may have had while reading that paragraph. Here I'm trying to illustrate one: unsymbolized thinking I wonder what Feature 5 is.

To qualify as an unsymbolized thought, the thought must be directly experienced, just as directly experienced as would be an inner speaking or the seeing of an image. That is, you don't merely infer the existence of an unsymbolized thought (I must have been wondering what Feature 5 is). If this is an unsymbolized thought, you directly apprehend the thought as an experience before the footlights of consciousness at the moment it is occurring.

An unsymbolized thought is specific: you're wondering what Feature 5 is. You're not wondering whether there are still other features, not wondering how Hurlburt knows this, not wondering what kinds of things go on in peoples' inner experience, not wondering about how inner experience is measured, not trying to recall what sensory awareness is, and so on. That is, you're wondering about what feature 5 is, not about anything else that might be more or less closely related to that.

An unsymbolized thought is not "hinty" or "general" or merely a part of some other phenomenon. An unsymbolized thought is just as complete and directly apprehendable as an inner speaking or an inner seeing.

Many people (perhaps most), including many (perhaps most) psychologists, believe that unsymbolized thinking is impossible.

Our beeper studies show the full gamut of frequency of experience of unsymbolized thinking. Some people rarely or never have such experiences, others experience unsymbolized thinking at nearly all their waking moments, and yet others sometimes do and sometimes don't experience it.

Most people who experience unsymbolized thinking, including those in the "nearly always" category, don't realize that they do so. In fact, many people who engage in unsymbolized thinking nearly all the time believe that unsymbolized thinking is impossible, until the beeper reveals its existence to them. A method that carefully explores specific moments is necessary to know what really goes on in inner experience.

>>16748946

It was always a mystery as to why they would use technology advanced enough that they literally transfer you into the virtual world perfectly and decided the best use of their time was tempting kidnapped children.

>>16700898

>stupid plot twist

I think you mean "brilliant and valiant attempt at retconning itself out of existence because it realized it's a shit game."

>>16701248

>widescreen cap of a wall of text so that nobody can fucking read it

People who do this need to be castrated.

>>16700674

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

Sure, somewhere in Wily's bio must state that he can see the future and knew that his broken bot would be awakened by Dr. Cain's reploid and that the program that was meant to fix Zero would infect Sigma

>Persona 4: Real villian was just some horny goddess

Seems someone played the Golden version instead of the original which is just a Nyx copy that have actual dialogues and takes an active part on the plot.

I'm not joking, the investigation team taking down Namatame, Adachi and Ame no Sagiri should've been enough to prove that there are people who don't want the end of the world to a neutral goddess which supposedly leave people to choose, at least 5 partially fix that by making the last boss have a drive to destroy everything since he is a faux SMT YHWH

>>16732132

It's your own voice you idiot.

If you never ever had a thought with the sound of your own voice then congrats, you are literally a soulless NPC.

>>16749536

>you are literally a soulless NPC.

Lets not bring back the npc meme thank you very bitch

Divine Divinity 2 - You were a puppet of the main villain the entire time and the dragon you supposedly merged minds with was actually the main villain's dead girlfriend communicating with you from beyond the grave somehow

Legend of Korra - Amon falls out a window and then promptly forgets not to waterbend despite keeping up his charade for years and being highly intelligent.

Eschalon - Time traveling aliens may or may not be trying to prevent the supervolcano apocalypse.

God of War - Everything was forseen by the giants.

>>16700958

The history of Stalin and Mao Zedong?

>>16749536

>NPC

Are you lost? This isn't cuckchan. I recommend you go back, they are eagerly awaiting your shitjak spam.

>Detroit: It was all an analogy for discrimination against minorities

How was this a twist? It was an obvious as shit allegory from the first 30 minutes.

>human revolution

>sarif is that bad guy

What?

My nomination is The Vanishing of Ethan Carter. You're introduced as this cool Jesse Ventura ripoff who goes into this spooky area to investigate witches and shit and save a kid but it turns out you're playing as the embodiment of a child's youthful fantasies about his forest home, that everything spooky was just pretend and the kid just had an uncomfortable home situation, and that the entire story happened in the kid's mind as he was dying of smoke inhalation due to an accidental fire in a basement.

I was devastated. I spent a bunch of hours on the thing and it was literally "lol it was all a dream everyone died eat shit" and the entire draw - spooky ghost adventures - was a lie. Fucking shitty game.

>>16700792

>Cackletta was the villain, but at the last minute Bowser steps up and tries to fuck with you with her corpse. The game is easy as fuck though, so even as a last boss out of nowhere the fight is piss easy

What the actual fuck are you talking about mate.

The last boss is fucking Cackletta's Soul.

Literally the only time you fight Bowser is the tutorial fight, and then twice with Popple as "Rookie".

There is no fucking endgame Bowser fight.

>>16700674

>Final Fantasy XV: Your bride was the assassin the whole time

That's not the twist ending.

>The antagonist was the good guy, but was betrayed by your lineage, and you were a sacrificial lamb from the start

>>16701248

Been looking for this.

>>16702856

>Other M

The "twist" is how that shitshow was approved in the first place.

>>16700674

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

The only reason that's a bad twist is because it's the only good part of that game and now everyone knows it

Though it doesn't hold a candle to KOTOR 2's twist, because that game was good enough to not need a twist, but idiots that didn't take in the story thought it had one anyway

MGS5 Truth Ending:

Kojima ultimately exposes himself as a hack writer.

>>16770480

>implying we didn't know that after MGS4

It's not a twist if it was also in a previous game

>>16700674

>KOTOR

That's an excellent twist if you don't know it's coming.

>>16701565

Yakuza 5 is much worse at the end

>>16700674

Why would you spoil kotor 1? that was actually pretty fucking good.

>>16704503

THIS

When did this happen!?

>>16776019

Yea I think it's bullshit too, if they can prove it I would be surprised.

>>16776315

…I honestly don't know why so many people hold Symphonia in such high regard considering how Mithos is a complete lunatic.

>>16776315

But that's wrong.

Martel tells Mithos multiple times that he's fucking wrong on every front once he puts her soul in Collette's body and she can speak with him. She begged him to stop and he wrote it off as Collette being a poor host body making her say things she wouldn't say.

She then begged Collette to tell Lloyd and group to kill the shit out of him so he'd stop murdering people.

>>16776315

Reminds of Bravely Default. Heroes are uknowingly doing something that will destroy the world and are killing lots of their former friends and allies along the way due to misinformation, and not one of these former allies ever stops to ask them why the fuck they think this is a good idea and instead babbles about staying true to your ideals.

At one point one of the hero's own fathers engages them in a fight to the death instead of saying "hey, you realise smashing these crystals with fuck everything, right?".

>>16700674

Me think you baiting

>>16702005

>It was Sergeant or whatever in X2

Serges.

>Like Isoc, there is a prominent theory that Serges is none other than Dr. Wily.[1] This is because, in the Japanese game script, Serges is the only character to have mentioned Dr. Light (Sagesse: "Being defeated by the robotic memento of Light yet again… Such regret…",[2]). His Japanese profile points out his appearance resembles "a legendary mad scientist who terrorized the world." In his first radio conversation, he distortedly refers to X as Rockman X ("Rock… e..X…"[3]), while in the same game Sigma mentions Zero being one of Wily's numbers ("However, Zero.. why… he was.. the last of… Wi.. num.. bers….",[4]), both of which are unlikely to be common knowledge. There was also the fact that he was capable of rebuilding Zero, whose internal systems are still stated to be a mystery by Signas in X5. Keiji Inafune's reluctance to answer as to whether or not Serges is Wily, whilst at the same time quick to state Dr. Weil is not Wily is also seen as a compelling argument for Serges being Wily.

https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Serges

https://gamefaqs.please use archive.fo/snes/588480-mega-man-x2/faqs/18452

>>16786590

I suppose i'm just dumb then and didn't count how long it was exactly, it's just kind of surreal that there are page 14 threads that were made only 15 days ago, and this ones from 5 months.

>>16703258

>because as it is a lot of the story beats seem… odd.

One thing that always bugged me was how they made it very clear that Futaba should not remain in her own metaverse for very long as it could have harmful side effects. Of course, if you enter a plane where your thoughts are reality the feedback loop can have wild results. I assumed that they got lucky with Futaba not really thinking about it and, as is, Morgana's explanation exists to fill a potential plot hole.

However it seemed to me to be foreshadowing for the final confrontation with Shido. I assumed he would resort to entering his own Palace as a last ditch effort to stop you.

Imagine, beating his shadow only for him to pop in and quickly take his Shadow on as a Persona. United in their shared desire to beat the shit out of you, they don't go through the same cognitive dissonance that the cast of P4 went through when meeting their Shadows. As the fight goes on he becomes more and more desperate and he embraces that dangerous feedback loop to basically become god. That would be the true final boss fight.

>>16786444

not a damn thing; Daxter deserves his love interest and there's nothing contrived about her transformation

Jak 3's bad twist was Jak shifting love interest to Ashelin and cucking Torn just because Keira's normal VA was unavailable (Tara Strong probably couldn't do Anna Garduno's cute rasp, but would it have really been so bad to give Keira a full role in the story anyway?)

>>16786838

Wasn't it that he died and then fought Hades and climbed his way back out of hell? Seems fitting for who Kratos is.

If they were going to do norse gods they should've had a different character though, god of soy was shit.

Black Ops1: The guy helping you all the time and even pulling you up when you fall/killing enemies is a hallucination or something like that.

It was so stupid.

>>16770003

>>16700711

>Assassin's Creed: Ancient aliens were behind everything

When I heard that it was aliens and ancient greek gods that were the cause of all of Assassin's Creed, that's what kinda drew me into paying attention to the series. Was I the only one that wanted a pseudo greek god/ futuristic assassin's creed?

>>16701162

>>16705693

I was a stupid kid at the time. I thought it was just an advance computer simulation and not a straight MMO. I'm also okay with the ending because I thought that they managed to create their own universe. Also why are Tri-ace embarassed about addressing this one after the shit stories of 4 and 5. Also I don't remember that last spoiler being told in SO4.

>>16701401

>The game with stories and characters everyone grew to love did accomplish their goal to save their world

BUT NOT REALLY THOUGH

I bet you like the sequel trilogy.

>>16769315

But you could have shot his sorry ass in the face at the boat place or at least tried to find a cure for your kingdom and the world instead of jacking off finding stupid relics that still led the world into a mutant monster apocalypse.

>>16776368

They didn't know shit about Aery. Only Ringabell did, but he had Amnesia until the very end. The Dukedom was just opposed to the crystal religion in general do to its history of corruption.

>>16787079

Fukken saved.

>>16793272

how new are you

>>16807348

Doesnt that mean the same thing?

>>16807436

The point was that it was literal instead of metaphorical.

>>16732089

TOPKEK

>>16700898

>Meta ending that is a middle-finger to the fans, basically saying "this series is driven into the ground and needs to die".

Too bad this did jack shit to make Spike Chunsoft want to make a new Kenka Bancho for actual badasses

>>16786838

Dude killed at least 3 death gods, he literally can't die, plus he could still get bailed out of hades/hell by the few gods that remain, like aphrodite, artemis and that one girl from chains of olympus.

>>16808349

>he doesn't know

Kenka bancho got cucked hard, they turned it into a gay visual novel for girls after the last PSP game sold like shit.

>>16808652

>Kenka bancho got cucked hard, they turned it into a gay visual novel for girls after the last PSP game sold like shit.

I know that, that's why I mentioned "for actual badasses". I really wish there was a Kenka Bancho MMO.

>>16713050

I think that, if you ignore the cringy meta shit, Spec Op's story is actually rather good.

>>16700674

ITT games OP never played

>Mario Bros 2: It was all a dream that Mario was having

<implying the plot in a mario game matters

>Metal Gear Solid 4: Snake makes amends with all his enemies

<im-fucking-plying this is the main bad twist in a game known for bad plot twists

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

<implying your character having a villainous past with the chance to redeem himself = villain

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

<despite Wily being dead

>Sonic 2006: Iblis was just a puppet of Robotnik

<Who is Mephiles

Sage because it's guaranteed you didn't play the other games you lying faggot.

>>16700711

Seriously kill yourself

>Shenmue 2: Lan De was just pretending to be in Hong Kong

<what is being in pursuit of someone who is two steps ahead of the main character

<what is Kowloon

<Lan De

Fuck off

>>16787021

>guy dies in every game

Because the developers are faggots who couldn't figure out how to make a sequel without ripping all of your powers away only to slowly give them back to you but slightly different. Kratos becomes so comically overpowered at the end of each game, they just couldn't figure out how to properly escalate, so they just reset every time.

>>16787021

>the gods are assholes who didn't keep there promise to rid him of the nightmares of him killing his family

They never promised that. They told him he would be forgiven. He just assumed that meant his nightmares would end.

>they say NA were not gonna let you die, your the new God of War

Technically, they just gave him the job offer. Kratos could have flipped Athena the bird and jumped off the cliff again.

Outlast is my go to example for bad twist ending the devs think is very smart, but is so stupid it's now costing them sales.

>Entire game based on Project Often, is called MK Ultra because devs can't do their research for shit.

>get through entire game expecting wallrider to be some entity born of suffering

>immortal nazi scientists reveals its nano machines created in the human brain of those that experience suffering.

>these nano machines are responsible for all paranormal and divine experiences

>ignores the fact that this would have been discovered in the 18th century when studying the brain was huge.

>ignores this would have been discovered in the 1600s when people started dissecting humans

>ignores this would be discovered by innumerable amounts of secret societies before hand.

>ignores this is based upon debunked 1800s german studies.

>Wallriders are somehow not known by the general public

>Wallriders aren't somehow everywhere

>Somehow the human brain can produce nano machines

>It was science all along

The create a sequel

>It's still wallrider

>nothing happens

>shittier design

They're making another multiplayer sequel set in the same shitty universe.

>It's all mental illness

>there is no paranormal

Never have I actually wanted a developer who thinks they're too smart for you to go bankrupt so bad.

>>16814171

>Fucking shits worse than that. I returned the game for a refund as soon as I learned they pulled the "herp it's science all along shit again." Here's what I garnered from watching the ending

>>big orgy, only good thing about the game

>>wife's about to give birth and there's nothing you can do

>>everyone's pretty stoked about the birth of the devil or something

>>she gives birth to nothing

>>get it because there is no devil, no god, no paranormal or divine

>These smug shits are dumb as hell and I love watching their games fail. They even acknowledged the second game failed and they needed to change things so what do they do? Chase the 4 player coop craze that is years dead.

>At least they outright say its mental illness rather than attempt to utilize it was some surprise.

>>16814171

Fucking shits worse than that. I returned the game for a refund as soon as I learned they pulled the "herp it's science all along shit again." Here's what I garnered from watching the ending

>big orgy, only good thing about the game

>wife's about to give birth and there's nothing you can do

>everyone's pretty stoked about the birth of the devil or something

>she gives birth to nothing

>get it because there is no devil, no god, no paranormal or divine

These smug shits are dumb as hell and I love watching their games fail. They even acknowledged the second game failed and they needed to change things so what do they do? Chase the 4 player coop craze that is years dead.

At least they outright say its mental illness rather than attempt to utilize it was some surprise.

>>16792030

>BUT NOT REALLY THOUGH

>I bet you like the sequel trilogy.

Yes but you see Chrono cross didn't shit on everyones character development and turn them into retards.

Tekken 6: Turns out Jin started a World War and wasted several cities just to power up some Egyptian hate god to fight him, and its never mentioned again.

Syndicate 2010: All the decisions the protagonist made weren't his own. Not in an interesting Bioshock way, but in a "wow my character is pointless" way.

Resident Evil: The obviously evil guy is evil.

Resident Evil Zero: The guy who doesn't look like Marcus turns out to be Marcus and in the end the reveal doesn't matter at all. Could be some random dude and nothing would be different.

Resident Evil Revelations 2: The mysterious, creepy monster chasing after Berry and Natalya turns out to be the villain. It would be way more awesome if it had been Berry's daughter, who survived the lab destruction due to mutation, and now chases Natalya because she knows she's evil. THAT would be a twist.

Max Anarchy: The huge, evil looking Russian police captain turns out to be the villain.

Borderlands 2: The terrible twist in this game is, that there are no twists.

Mortal Kombat X: Turns out, Johnny Cage's green energy powers are super special and the only thing that can destroy Shinnok, so his daughter Cassie kicks the ass of an Elder God.

BlazBlue: Turns out the villain is the main character's sister who created a god to end all conflicts, or turn back time, or some shit, which is the most generic animu gibberish ever.

Dying Light: The villain is right, but the game completely ignores it.

Uncharted 2: I know it's not a final twist, but still - Yetis are actually humans who turned immortal by the Tree of Life, and disguise themselves as Yetis, which is ridiculous. It's like explaining something supernatural with something else supernatural.

Metal Gear Solid V: The twist is that the game was shipped without adding the final mission and its actual ending. Also, Paz only exists in your imagination, which is a terrible twist, since you see her die several times.

F-Zero GX: Everything that happened was planned by three gods who created earth, which are trapped in the F-Zero champion's belt… okay.

Killzone Shadow Fall: The mentor of the protagonist kills the main villain and the protagonist and ends all conflicts between humans and Helghasts. Then a newly introduced stupid bitch shows up, avenges the protagonist's death, shoots the mentor and starts the conflict all over again.

Mentioning some games with twists which are imo amazing:

Bioshock - The "Would you kindly" thing.

Nier Automata - the truth about the humans.

Uncharted 4 - Nate's brother made everything up about how he escaped prison and has to find a treasure for some Mafia guy, but you actually play the story he made up, so it comes out of nowhere.

Horizon Zero Dawn - the whole friggin story.

>>16814054

Every single thing in Diablo 3 was predictable and stupid. It was one of the worst stories I've ever seen. You basically get betrayed by ANYONE, and female Diablo was predictable right from the start, since she had that female shape on all artworks before game release.

The addon was so much better in every way.

>>16700674

Micah actually being a traitor was such a stupid ending in RDR2 not only because it's painfully obvious since the second he shows up on screen but because he isn't a traitor until after Guarma, which means he never actually got the chance to be a traitor. It would've been a better twist if it turned out that he was actually just a decent guy.

>>16814232

Killzone Shadowfall was way worse

>Main Cast from 3 were executed for genocide inbetween games because 3's ending was garbage.

>Helgast are once again oppressed throughout the galaxy

>Vecta who lost the war restarted their bioweapon development from Mercenaries a far superior Killzone game.

>Vecta keeps carrying out terrorist attacks against Helghast to keep them oppressed

>You play a terrorist

>Scholar's granddaughter is a cuck who believes that war is not the answer and is why the galaxy hates the Helghast despite the lore stating outright their militarization was the only thing that earned them decency.

>Stahl steals the virus, plans to wipe out the Vectans because of what they did to Helghan.

>Nigger who raise you was the actual badguy who let your retard father die. Raised you to be his tool and kills you when you're no longer necessary so he can move forward with wiping out the Helghast.

>Visari's grandaughter pulls her head from her ass and kills him for killing the protagonist and Stahl realizing peace of was never an option.

That game should have been from Visari's grandaughter's perspective as a Helghast special forces soldier and dealing with being a half breed. Slowly coming to terms that peace was never an option.

>>16814245

Owe yeah forgot

>nigger stole virus back and planned to use it as a nuclear deterant against the Helghast.

>>16700674

>Megaman X: Sigma was just a puppet of Dr. Wily

This makes me think you just skimmed a wiki page to come to this conclusion.

>Metal Gear Solid 4: Snake makes amends with all his enemies

okay you're just baiting

Now in the offchance you aren't and someone is interested, sigma is acting of his own volition. He is the only carrier of the virus to have been known to directly speak to wily, besides zero himself. Isoc and serges, the bots suspected to have wily ties, have not had any hint of this and are likely instead avatars for wily himself. Sigma held the belief that humanity was weak and inferior before his exposure to the virus. The virus only granted him the agency to act on his radical views. Unlike the rest of the mavericks under the control of the virus, he is completely in control. This is indicated by the fact that he actually has talked to wily instead of just being a mouthpiece for him. If you want to argue, you can try to say that sigma and wily's wishes aligning in that they both want X dead is kind of like wily manipulating him, but its really speculation beyond that.

If anything, the "bad twist"(s) should be:

>the X hunters are just rebuilding sigma

>repliforce is just being manipulated by sigma

>gate is just being controlled by sigma

>red alert is just being controlled by sigma

>Lumine was being controlled by oh wait

>spider was redips this whole t-HOLY SHIT WHAT

>>16814241

>decent

you mean just a loyal asshole

>>16814284

oh right, almost forgot

>doppler was just being controlled by sigma

and my least favorite

>vile is back again in x8 just to act as a minion for sigma again, instead of pursuing his personal vendetta against X

>>16700711

>Condemned 2: You were a cult leader the whole time

What? I remember you becoming a magical magic man, but nothing about leading a cult. It was a long ass time ago though.

>>16700674

>Detroit: It was all an analogy for discrimination against minorities

This was literally stated in the marketing

>Other M: Adam dies to save Samus' life

This was revealed in fusion

>Metal Gear Solid 4: Snake makes amends with all his enemies

This was decent

>KOTR: You were the villain the whole time

That was a good one

>>16700958

Chrono trigger

>>16814232

>Mortal Kombat X: Turns out, Johnny Cage's green energy powers are super special and the only thing that can destroy Shinnok, so his daughter Cassie kicks the ass of an Elder God.

I was under the impression that Johnny Cage was special because he was the only one who couldn't do some kind of special energy-ki-whatthefuckever, due to the fact that he was just a movie star who happened to know some martial arts.

Did that stop being true at some point?