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Who else actually really enjoys the changes they made for the panic attack? It went from a stupid meme weapon to something that could put out insane damage because of the added pellets and is actually consistent due to it not having random spread in casual. This and the changes to the short circuit are some of the most underrated weapon changes as of late.

>>16700385

I should have been way more specific, there was a mode in space where both teams beat up robots to steal points.

>>16700402

rd_asteroid? that map and cactus canyon have been in development hell/forgotten since they switched to matchmaking

Mannpower was basically abandoned, but I think there's a couple community maps that use the powerups, really Mannpower is just a CTF queue with mannpower maps.

Robot destruction got more generalized into player destruction, which is essentially a way of working deathmatch into the game while still having an objective.

>>16700403

>rd_asteroid

I actually really liked that map.

Is it possible to play it in any way or is it lost forever?

>>16700385

>tf2

>Dead

>>16700397

It's definitely more usable as a weapon but the old one was more fun to mess around with, when playing fat scout or gunslinger engineer.

>>16700397

it took them forever to finally balance it into a somewhat competent weapon

>>16700570

You have to remember originally it was gray robots vs the red AND blu mercs, but valve playtesters are retarded.

>>16700484

Host a server

>Did anything ever come of that mode with the powerups and grappling hooks

Funnily enough, manpower has it's own little cult following, you can actually queue into a match easily at given you play at the right hours.

>it turn out as another MvM

Pretty much, except you can't get shiny weapons from it.

>>16700402

rd_asteroid died and all assets were reused to make pd_watergate and invasion.

Cactus canyon was never a good map

give me a reason to play TF2

>>16700951

it's fun

>>16700955

fuck right off, it's not fun anymore, tell me when i can sticky jump around the map and kill a sniper with the caber

>>16700917

I liked both of those maps before they vanished into obscurity, rd_asteroid especially sinceplaying spy was very viable with all the paths of escape and nooks you could hide in

>>16700965

To be fair, what jump needs 3 stickies to make? Even on custom fuckhuge maps 2 stickies and another one in the air will get you anywhere.

>>16700979

In that case, why even limit it?

>>16700979

>set 8 stickies in one spot by the door during warmup (14 if using scottish resistance)

>ask the medic to give me a split second of uber when I give the word

>doors open

>medic pops uber

>detonate

>notimeforcaution.mp3

>>16700997

NO FUN ALLOWED or something, I've no clue. Fuck CY valve, I'm just waiting until they either fuck all the fun into oblivion or all the good players fuck off to anywhere else.

>>16700979

I think the point was more about caber damage reduction making it impossible to 1-shot any class

>Another Team Fortress 2 thread

<another downboat

Has anyone here tried competitive TF2? (not the valve matchmaking shitfest)

It's fun, the shitty weapons are whitelisted out, and the community is insanely alive considering 12 years of no support or acknowledgement from valve

>>16700955

I do agree that it is fun but whenever I play any multiplayer game whatsoever I feel it necessary to disable text chat and especially voice chat if given the choice. I may be jaded but I feel as if all conversations nowadays boil down to unoriginals grasping at the nearest trend in a vain attempt for attention and server fame.

>>16701889

>upward

God the final part of that map is horrible, why is it so popular?

I used to despise snipers but now I am maining him.

>>16702030

t. can't airblast

>>16702030

you have no skill

>>16702017

Its because the one of the only cons of the map is the last point. That and snipers, but thats true of every map.

>>16702040

Try airblasting a shotgun/ his entire team shooting you…

>>16702040

t. pyro player :^)

>>16702055

yeah happened to me a lot. Normally I am scout main and I still get top score 99% of the time, I can still rape enemy team fine but I randomly want to try soldier for fun and I realise that it takes A LOT LESS skill to kill and rape enemy team. As my main I actually have to aim, try to flank, use all movement I have etc, as a soldier, just shoot some rocket to ground and that's it. Even heavy takes more aiming

>>16702051

More than half the fucking cast has shotguns, how is that a mark against soldier?

>>16702053

The great thing about TF2 is just how differently each character plays. If you're having a shitty day on one merc switching to another will usually help.

>>16700997

Technically speaking, it was because using 3 stickies to sticky jump would kill you, and the point of it was to get people to learn to sticky jump.

Honestly it was a kinda short sighted attempt to "balance" it against other things.

>>16702050

Because Valve is fucking retarded and thought it would be a good idea to try and force everyone into the same room

>>16702160

>Adding viable engineer secondary weapons when?

What tanking an uber with the wrangler and deleted projectiles out of thin air with the short circuit isn't good enough for you?

>>16702049

>posting your shitty youtube channel against steel players

i'd post mine but you'd just be jealous. instead watch an actually good soldier

>>16702074

Because being able to use a shotgun brings the soldier vs pyro matchup entirely in soldiers favor, that was my point.

>>16700385

>Cosmetics have jumped the shark, fucked the landing and are now nose first diving in the the water.

Considering the size of said nose, wouldn't that be the optimal way to dive?

>>16702208

>I keel peeople so skill :DDDDDD EBIN

You could have linked invidious if you wanted me to watch it you fucking nigger

>>16702199

I mean realistically, tf2's only really going to be dead if Valve completely disables community servers, since it really only takes one dude flicking open their ports to start up a server with most of valve's bullshit disabled.

Hell, they didn't even bother to hard check the ambassador to prevent people from just turning off the "Crits have fall off" thing, and servers can just enable having 8 sticky jumper stickies out.

Unless you're one of those stupid niggers that took an interest in it, in like, 2014 and you unironically think it was a serious game before they added hats

>>16702192

The wrangler is so entirely broken there is no reason to not use it. The pistol is barely any use and the short circuit post nerf does more harm than good most of the time given the metal usage and how easy it is for explosive classes to spam vs the amount of metal you expend. Why blow 65 metal when you can just wrangle and take 1/3 the damage for free, then use the metal to repair?

Add something new and nerf the wrangler by removing the shield (and give it self immunity to rockets for jumping memes) so you actually have to consider what to take.

>>16702030

What about Heavy mains?

At least with Soldier you can appreciate that he's a fun class with a fair bit of depth to him. Heavy is not only the most boring class to play but those who actually main him tend to be the ones who just spout heavy memes (doesn't help that a lot of Heavy's lines are just him being an obnoxious manchild) in place of actual interest in his gameplay since the class really doesn't have much to him.

>>16702231

>Make a class called "Heavy Weapons Guy"

>Give him literally nothing but miniguns instead of having a variety of heavy weapons

Why.

Might as well just have called him "Minigun Guy."

>>16702237

>that speaks english as a third language having somewhat of a linguistic issue

Trust me, I miss when that was the angle valve was going for. They derailed him into "retard manchild" pretty damn quickly.

boxing heavy primary when?

>>16702217

invidious stopped proxying in 2017 you fucking FAGGOT

>>16702242

>Give him literally nothing but miniguns instead of having a variety of heavy weapons

Like what?

>>16702247

>They derailed him into "retard manchild" pretty damn quickly.

What the fuck are you talking about? Just because the community constantly portrays him as a dumb silly character doesn't mean valve does so. Show many any official valve promotional material where he acts like a manchild.

>>16702264

I dunno, Im not a big brain creative guy, but there should have been at least SOMETHING, other than just 5 miniguns.

>>16702270

Most heavy weapons are machine guns or are too big to carry.

>>16702231

Its more that heavy has far more obvious weaknesses. People have issues against soldier because he is a jack of all trades with a low skill floor but high ceiling.

You cant mindlessly counter him like scout vs engi, heavy vs pyro, or demoman vs engineer.

This also applies to sniper but most people suck too much to realize it.

>>16700484

There's a server (NA) that runs it. It's only active on Friday nights, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8w5xr9Ktik

>>16702277

Sniper is a shit class and needs a damage falloff one hit insta kills from any distance on the map isn't fun, it's niggers

>>16702264

>>16702270

Valve's big fuck up with Heavy was not expanding on his secondary arsenal. Having his only choice of secondary be a shotgun that would just be removed in favour of a self-heal item is fucking disgusting. At the very god damn least heavy should have some depth in deciding when he needs to stay mobile and when he should sacrifice mobility for firepower and he doesn't even get that.

>>16700951

This >>16700955 even with all the bullshit.

It's just that the bullshit will eventually catch up to you and you'll enevitably burn out.

>>16702051

>reeeeeeeeee soldier is op

<how about you try x?

>lol no cuz the enemy team will use team work!! IN A GAME ABOUT TEAMWORK!

ah, i see now…

>>16700385

Reminder that's it's been 7 years

>>16702421

Sniper is only a real problem on really shit maps. Stop playing on cp_orange tier maps maybe.

>>16702297

Nigga he was talking to his gun even in the russian dub.

None of these mercs were ever supposed to be sane.

>>16702214

A shotgun is not going to match flamethrower + flare gun at medium range, and at close range before Valve nerfed it like every other fun thing in the game you ought to be using the axtinguisher.

>>16702959

that's illegal but funny

>>16702231

Heavy at least requires aiming and it's really fun on pubs I remember raping the enemy team, having more than 100 points without dying. Whenever I play heavy I get the most fun, but I only play it when we don't have one and/or it's necessary.

Let's balance heavy to use shotgun and even melee in a non meme way.

When you pick up shotgun, your speed becomes 100%, and heavy should switch to shotgun real fast, so shotgun can actually be a good weapon to use when it comes to ambush or whatever.

When you switch to fists your speed becomes 110% or maybe more, and your fists do around 85 dmg. Heavy is a big guy UUUU and I see no reason why he wouldn't do great damage with fists. I hope valve makes a variable "boxer" secondary class like demoknight. But I doubt they even play the game anymore

>>16703366

Heavy turning into sanic for pulling out his fists would be retarded and the GRU exist anyway, a little speed boost for pulling out shotgun errors be neat though.

>>16703374

GRU is used only for rollouts 99% of the time, it's rarely used for actual fights. I also didn't mention it being "sanic". I said around 110% so it can catch up 100% classes and be menacing without minigun.

>>16700370

mannpower was added into the game with literally zero regard for how tf2 functions or is played and thus appeared to be an unbalanced mess to the rest of the playerbase though it still sees some play by some dedicated folks.

I don't have source for this, but Dario Casali was actually seen in mannpower games as "Captain Chaos" and a few other aliases, there was some drama going around with him kicking/banning people from matchmaking that were shit talking him ingame or something.

>>16702421

you'd be better off adjusting the reload speed/animation to be something like the HL2 2003 leak's sniper rifle since reverse damage falloff will change literally nothing at a snipers ability to close a choke and just cause the whiny weeaboo sniper mains to sperg out and demand a revert.

>>16702971

>talking to his gun even in the meet the video

No he wasn't. He does the sailor thing of giving his gun a name and calling it a she, and he talks out loud to himself when he thinks someone has touched it. But he never actually talks to his gun.

Sandvich was the point where we got audio lines like the following, don't try to pretend there isn't a difference in characterisation here.

>>16703473

Or you know, he's making a joke. Because it's a humorous game. Ya dingus.

>>16703473

Sandvich at all is a joke item like Jarate.

>>16703518

>Because it's a humorous game

There's a difference between "adding a pink purse among the belongings of a bunch of socially maladjusted mercenaries" and "using your scented farts to ignite and insta kill enemies"

TF2's humor has gone to shit, a few outliers in a serious game are okay but nowadays everything's a bad joke.

>>16703366

Shotgun Heavy used to be a viable strategy since you can tank a lot of damage and it picked up at medium range. The problem with Heavy has always been the minimal skill ceiling. You just point and shoot and act as a large target to the enemy. There's no real "meta" as to speak other than being good with positioning.

>>16703518

>write your character like a manchild as a joke

>surprised people actually think he is one

Jokes on them he was just pretending to be retarded?

>>16703553

Except we didn't get countless audio lines where Sniper talks to his jar of piss about how much he loves covering enemies in his bodily fluids.

>>16702935

>Should i reinstall for like the 6th time?

Do you like a 20GB install? If yes, then you sure go ahead. It has a bustling playerbase and new players seems get into it every day.

>On another hand, i think it's like the last enjoyable MP shooter (or online game in general) remaining.

It really is, and probably the only MP shooter (besides warframe) that have an actual economy behind it, speaking of which

>Also how can i catch up with the shitty economy of the game?

For the love of god, NO

Keys have inflated into upwards of count 'em 30 to 50 refined metals a pop. Though to be honest, it really is inevitable when considering that refined metal itself is theoretically infinite and its only use in-game will almost always lead to loss per hat crafted.

>>16703366

>All these

Just make him have a 4th slot for the lunchbox items. It's not that hard, i mean Engy and Spy already have a slot. However it means that Valve will have to release another stock lunchbox item, maybe make it into a ration bar or something so that it's in line with the original vision of TF2 as a mercenary in a shadowy organization that controlled each half of the world.

>>16703473

>No he wasn't. He does the sailor thing of giving his gun a name and calling it a she, and he talks out loud to himself when he thinks someone has touched it.

<But he never actually talks to his gun.

How the fuck is that any different that his sandvich voice lines? Also i swear to god 8chan used to allow voice clips to be posted. If that were the case then i was going to post a clip where Heavy talks to his gun.

Eithar way skip to 0:30 and it clearly shows heavy complimenting his minigun.

>>16703473

>cuddles to his gun and says “kiss me” and “you did well” when you taunt with the minigun out

I don’t think you’ve ever actually played heavy.

Ist heavy like the most sane, or at least one of the most sane team members? That weird joking stuff is simply due to his accent/broken engish was it not?

At least in the comics, he has a job that he enjoys and uses to pay for his poor family and is incredibly selfless to the point where he constantly throws himself in danger to protect his friends. Has a special bond with the medic because he treats his injuries for free as long as he helps him tons in the field and gets to experiment on his body, which lets the heavy have more money for his family.

Official Sanity would be like:

Heavy: Essentially just a soft spoken hired gun with a preference towards his friends/family.

Demoman: In universe just a drunk man who is forced to follow his family's profession. Has an otherwise normal life and nice house and is friends with Soldier through battle.

Engi: A very smart man who is forced to do a lot of things he doesnt agree with. Leans towards mad scientist but not enough to make him visibly insane.

Spy/Sniper: Two people who are dedicated to the art of killing. Neither of them show remorse at killing and both view their jobs as their life. Sniper has a soft spot for his family and Spy has one for Scout. 2 sides of the same coin

Scout: A punk who somehow got the ability to fly. Basically just a loveable goofball with alot of weird undertones. In comic lore he is basically just a kid who never got a proper parent and learned how to fight and backtalk in response.

Medic: Basically insane, but smart enough to fool the actual devil multiple times. Learned of hells loopholes and acquired satanic powers that he masks as medical prowess. Arguably the most dangerous team member in the comics for that. He could be considered one of the most sane team members if he revealed it was all a ruse, but probably not.

Soldier: Lead poisoned idiot who has trouble telling reality from fiction. Comic relief in most parts but seems to attract the best people as friends because if you get on his good side he treats you just like family and will go through anything to help. Legitimately insane.

Pyro: No words needed.

I just don't get why there isn't an official vanilla mode

It can keep all of the stupid cosmetics for all I care

>>16704452

use a whitelist

>>16704418

You should have just finished with

>Pyro: Mmmph

>>16705538

Of course someone who made such a retarded comment with absolutely zero arguments actually believes that any of those classes listed can turn the entire game around in every type of situation like soldier can. Let me guess you main soldier?

>>16705551

>heavy-med

Are you trying to tell me without a med heavy has the same amount of killing power as soldier? Without a med heavy is a useless sitting duck.

>demospam

The only legitimate argument anyone could bring up but he still pales in comparison to soldier. Demoman's mobility is not nearly as flexible as soldier's and his projectiles are far less consistent than soldier's. Aiming at someones feet with a projectile that goes in a straight line and doesn't fall off making its effective range infinite is a lot easier than aiming an arcing projectile that has falloff and has a range where it can't do any damage at all.

>Fucking newniggers.

>do it fit in yet

>>16705605

>huh?

What do you not understand? I am comparing classes power over the game state they have by themselves I thought that would be extremely obvious from the start but I guess not, bringing a pocket med in the argument invalidates it.

>stickybombs

Any stickbomb launcher that demo can use does not make up for all of his downsides that I've already brought up when compared to the soldier. All sticky spam does is deal useless chip damage and powers the enemy medic's uber, most sticky traps are also completely obvious and only clueless players walk into them unknowingly. At most stickies can provide a cheeky pick before an engagement on defense which really doesn't make up for all of his downsides.

>>16702030

not a whole lot in this game takes any skill

which is why I play it ;_;

>>16703633

For real? I never knew that.

>>16705231

The demoman deals more damage, has faster mobility but less flexible and is very good at area denial, scout has amazing mobility and can dish out a ton of damage quickly making him the best 1v1 class, soldier, being a jack of all trades which doesn't hurt the pace of the game and isn't annoying to fight, is weaker than both a scout and a demomam which is why people are against the idea of nerfing him.

>Soldier is quite literally the only class you can switch to if your team is getting destroyed and instantly win the game almost 100 percent of the time.

What about heavy and demo?

How viable is crafting to get normal weapons, and even some taunts? How to do it even? Im new at the crafting part, and I want to get weapons and taunts easily and for free.

been out of the loop for some time

what happened to tf2c and tf2v?

>>16709592

Being a later player, didnt knew the golden times, but I stopped some time after The Medic Update, and when I went back, they added a matchmaking mechanic for some retarded reason, and normal server/PUGS exist and in some quantity, but it have been reduced notably because of this matchmaking shit.

>>16709289

>weapons

You'd be better off playing and hope RNG gives you weapons, you'll get around 13 items per week. However there are some achievement items that you get for free and there are websites that can help you get those achievements without any effort. I forgot the name but, i've never been VAC-banned for using them. Unless you really need a weapon, you'd be better off using the Mann.co test run on the Mann.co store, allowing you to use said weapon for a week, do note that it only allows one weapon to be tested.

>Taunts

They're not craftable, they only gained by item drop (RARE AS DODO SHIT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE GET IT), trading, unboxing or the buying it from the store.

>>16709602

IIRC TF2Classic devolved into a Discord-only hugbox that forgot their original vision of being a 'Classic' TF2 and went on doing their own Deathmatch mode bullshit. TF2V is like 'TF2C but done right™' so said /v/, however noone plays it and it eventually devolves into yet another fucking Discord-only hugbox.

>>16709289

Just go on scrap.tf and autobuy weapons

it'll cost you maybe 25 cents if you actually pay

if you have steam cards from other games you might even be able to get them for free by selling those to the bots.

Crafting has never been viable to do anything cheaply or free.

Back when people actually had reason to trade weapons and keys used to be 2.33/3 refined, if you combined 2 hats and got a new one, or made a new weapon you might be able to make a bit over investment, but that's long died.

>>16709592

TF2C devolved into what the TF2C devs personally wanted to get out of TF2

TF2V is kinda sticking to what they were looking for, but inevitably suffers from not being the main game

Personally, neither really address what the issue with tf2 is, despite their efforts

>>16709704

>what the issue with tf2 is

What is that?

>>16709708

If we're talking TF2, and specifically how the TFteam is in relation to tf2, they fucked up tf2's ecosystem by attempting to centralize, first with quickplay, second more aggressively, with matchmaking, quickplay introduced issues such as shit tier servers with hyperaggressive sourcemod for advertising/VIPshit now having a guaranteed source of players just by existing as quickplay kosher.

Secondly, matchmaking (and if we want to go back gun mettle) gave "community leaders" their blood in the water to go in on the TFteam.

>>16709713

To my knowledge neither mod uses quickplay or matchmaking so I don't see where the issue still lies with them

>>16709725

The issue is by the nature of TF2V/C already being niche mods they're too centralized to actually recreate TF2 at the time that they would have existed.

Part of the appeal of tf2 2007-2010 was, and realistically you can't create that again with an already niche mod, that fucking everyone had TF2 and extended from that Hammer, and scripting, even if we're talking pre-sourcemod with map level scripting.

>>16709700

>Click autobuy

< You dont have required metal

>Go to bot to trade. It even says that what you dont have money will be used

<Not enoug metal

I am missing something?

>>16709818

>Go to bot to trade. It even says that what you dont have*SCRAP, money will be used

Sorry for the typo.

>>16709704

>TF2V

>Sticking to what they said they would

OH NO NIGGER THEY AREN'T

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/278707344689332226/575879830936092714/Team_Fortress_2_Vintage_-_general_382568175746809857_after_2019-05-08.html

>They let in a furry

>They're going to add post mannconomy stuff

>they left even /vg/ because "too toxic"

And this all happened after that PR guy left

>>16709942

I said this would happen long ago, and luckily some people listened. It was bad enough the gamenights started becoming infested with two tryhard regulars clicking heads as the most unfun class in the game, but then they started adding non stock weapons and even worse, post mannconony weapons. Fuck those niggers for acting like they did anything worthwhile when it wasn’t even close to the original TF2, let alone graphic-wise.

>>16709967

>tryhard

maybe get good because I never had problems with either and I know the two you're talking about. The idea of vintage was nice, it set a clear goal. and again the PR guy can't be blamed because this shit started cropping up after he left, even in the HTML rip they accuse him of being ebil /pol/ nazi

>>16709700

Is that true? What is the catch?

>>16710090

Because most people at the head of projects are egotistical and end up injecting their BS into everything. We saw the end when the devs added shit like warrior's spirit and the original.

>>16700871

Mannpower and MvM aren't the same.

>>16710409

quake is not a twitch shooter, you can hit 100 percent of your shots and it wont be effective enough to win if you dont pick up red/mega consistently or if you dont even know how to find weapons or their respective ammos. this is why despite cheaters having an inherent advantage, they probably wont win in a duel, because duel performance depends very much on positioning and item control that a player cheating likely wouldn't be able to perform. clan arena/rocket arena is not an official gamemode (until quake live) though it is a twitch shooter gametype. secondly there are very effective ways to deal with snipers, and it definitely entails you getting fucking good. vintage even had the sticky jumper for demo, there are no excuses. you cannot get pissed at people for finding winning fun, especially if the solution is to simply kill them with one of the five classes particularly effective at doing so

>>16710637

>sticking jumping around

>a good way to deal with snipers

Are you making me laugh on purpose?

Also nice conjecture, thinking that everybody in the game thinks that it's fun to deal with players who are 10x better than them (due to playing more often) rather than against players of the same skill level.

Let's put it in terms of a different game. Do you think it'd be fun to be matched up against a high-tier player in a fighting game like 3rd Strike or Tatsunoko? No, it wouldn't be fun at all, especially if you're nowhere near their "level" and you cannot argue otherwise.

>durr they just wanna win bro, git gud

I dare you to find someone who can ever get good at anything when the people they are facing are lightyears beyond them as far as skill is concerned. It's simply not possible to learn the basics - let alone the moderates - when the person you're up against is using the advanced. Skill is a ladder, not a teleportation device. You have to start from a certain point and can only go up one rung at a time.

>just kill them with one of the 5 classes who are good at doing so dude like lmao

You cannot hope to win in a duel against a sniper unless either your team is competent or their team is. It's not like a sniper would pick a spot to camp where their team is nowhere to be found. You'll have to get through them to get to the sniper, and that implies the sniper doesn't just click your head while getting to him.

>>16710507

If you do that when they're still on your damage table IIRC it still gives them the kill

>>16710409

Except being good at the game means you understand it and people who scream tryhard are typically unskilled player or players who typically can't think for themselves and try and stick to some bizzare meta, usually something kept in check until some "pro" group or some youtuber decides to try a whacky combo that works surprisingly well.

>>16710723

>you can't

Yeah this is the cry of someone who can't flank from a spot your team isn't in as the sniper will be focusing heavily on either the main forces or the objective and blocking it and in that time he's stuck with a narrow field of vision, and most sniper will keep scoped in unless being directly shot at. if you can duck behind geometry or at least not be in the area of a major push you can typically flank snipers.

>>16710810

Well it's more that "being good" at tf2 means figuring out how to play literally one (1) subgame and play as the easiest class in the game.

Or in the case of MvM, being on the good goy list where you won't get kicked because austrailiums are a fixed market.

>>16710810

>If you do that when they're still on your damage table IIRC it still gives them the kill

Not if you do it before they hit you, with cornered i mean a soldier and a scout coming after me and i have no where safe to run to, if i get hit i pull the shotgun and fight

>>16711360

fair enough

>>16711274

I'm surprised no autists have yet decided to take on MvM with the intent of flooding the market with australium items

>>16710409

Remind me why devs bother too much in Matchmaking, even in games already stablished as server centred games? The tipycal reason of devs wanting to controll the online cant be used for TF2, because it still have servers and in quantity. Why did Valve forced this shit so hard (and badly) then?

>>16712205

Probably one of the three retards on Valve's TF2 team saw that other games were doing it, pushed it to higher ups who barely know what video games are as a Good™ Thing™ and got it put in.

>>16711510

Wasting a bunch of money to spite some whales isn't autistic, it's retarded. You can't make up your losses by just playing it.

>>16712205

If you light a fire under Valve's ass, they shit out an uninspired, half-finished mess in the time normal, qualified developers push an average product. See: Overwatch & Meet Your Match (the shit that introduced matchmaking), Chink Autochess & Dota Autochess.

>>16712359

except with australium weapons you could make the money back quickly

>>16709700

>Just go on scrap.tf and autobuy weapons

>it'll cost you maybe 25 cents if you actually pay

I went there to autobuy, and it demands scrap/metal, and no option for money.

>>16712619

why would you want to give money, the site owner is an actual jew

>>16712623

25 cents is samll to get all weapons. Compare that to Mannco prices for one or teo weapons.

>>16712571

The same way you can make back your investment on lootboxes if you unbox expensive items. Valve may not be good at making games, but they've perfected the art of jewing you out of money.

>>16712694

welcome to investment, you have to sink money into something to get something out.

>>16712619

>>16709818

>>16710303

you need metal to trade, buy it from there using paypal and then go to scrap.tf and autobuy weapons

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/5002;6

I forget but looking it up there is something like 120 ish unique weapons not including stock a refined is made up of 18 weapons so just buy like 7 or 8 and then do autotrade.

If you are free to play I think you need to buy something from the store in order to trade, it's been a while so I don't know if they changed it.

You could just skip buying the metal with paypal and instead buy a key from the store for $2.50 so you can trade. Then after a few days when it becomes tradeable, go to scrap.tf and sell the key for like 40 refined or whatever they are now, autobuy the weapons, then buy some hats or taunts with the left over 30 ref.

>>16710816

Woah, that one clip of a demoman taking out a sniper by sticking jumping once definitely proves it can be done repeatedly and with similar success. Plus you need to take into account that not all maps offer a solution for scouts or even spies to get around easily enough, letting them flank a sniper who very well has the open field advantage.

And I am offering a solution to the problem you illiterate mongoloid - have servers delegated to tryhards and servers delegated to casual players who aren't interested in trying to go "pro" in a dead/dying video game.

>>16705538

Soldier has the second highest health in the game yet fags still call him the "jack of all trades"

>>16703886

>>16703790

>off-hand comments he makes only when taunting

>openly yelling his conversations in battle

There is a fucking difference.

>>16712205

>Why did Valve forced this shit so hard (and badly) then?

The only thing I can possibly fathom was them wanting to do away with auto-balance. A lot of these match-maker games don't have an auto-balance instead choosing to fill up the teams in desperate need of players with the people currently waiting in queue. When they initially tried to implement this shit they actually completely removed the auto-balance, only providing the option to switch which laughably tried to use exp as an incentive.

Of course they ended up having an auto-balance system anyway, one that doesn't even auto-balance between rounds, despite that being the one point where people wouldn't even mind being auto-balanced, causing the team who just lost the previous round to often go into the next rounds several players short. So yeah complete fuck up all around.

Does anybody know how to actually profit in this modern trading hellscape

>>16720687

It's a fixed market, you either suck the right dicks or get lucky.

If you're unfortunate enough to sit on something for too long, some literal nigger will scam a 1 of 2 rare hat off some kid that doesn't know better just to try to collapse the price from $2500 to $500, and try to convince you to sell it for $250

>>16719720

You can't "make quick ref" and the calculations for how much ref is "in circulation" counts innumerable dead accounts that aren't trading and the kikes on trading websites always run like 400 bots constantly churning out metal.

It is literally not worth the time investment to trade for keys.

>>16720705

I actually bought into the campaign hoping i would be able to profit

too little too late i guess

>>16720782

>>16720782

Its on like page 11 last i checked. They really did run away

>>16720715

Back to trannycord with you

>>16713649

>off-hand comments he makes only when taunting

Which is the fucking same as the sandvich you dumb fucker.

>openly yelling his conversations in battle

No you stupid nigger, Heavy only calls the other team babies, not talking to his fuckign sandvich all the time.

>>16720715

How about No

Is the market actually working for anyone?

>>16730919

>don't have any crates to get an unusual

>can't get one to laugh at how incompetent Valve is

Rip

Now only if they have a error that causes all people with lime green or pink cosmetics to be VAC banned and the game might end up somewhat enjoyable again.

Am I too late to get these sweet glitched crates now?

>>16731123

Yes sadly, but if you care enough to shill out 5 dollars you can get an unusual now.

>>16731126

Any chance the prices will go back up eventually? I wouldn't mind getting a whole bunch as a future investment

>>16731126

Wot's a cheap, decent all class unusual?

I'd like to get one myself.

>>16731139

The cliche is one of the three towering pillar hats.

>>16731142

>not getting sweet cash out of retarded autists that think virtual hats are a commodity

Back to the barn with you, goy

>>16731142

>Selling a crate that is normally worth cents for $10 is good

>Buying a hat for $5 then selling it back for $20+ is bad.

I don't agree.

>>16731139

Cheapest all class is the dumb hot dog hat for 7 bucks

The funny thing is that, perhaps this might force them to release a substantive update to keep people in buying shit, since they totally nuked the economal

>>16731157

this.

even if there was an effect id like its a waste of money you could have spent on other things.

>>16731056

you forgot yellow

>>16731111

poorfag quads checked

>>16731580

No cap or link? Come on, I need the LOL

>>16731611

https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/3140616601474221379/?ctp=2

Has it been fixed yet?

>>16731692

Yes, also rumor valve is slowly trying to make the ones that were made untradable, market is still crashed though.

Thread theme.

>>16731702

Sweet. I got pleanty. Now I just need to reinstall it.

The prices just hiked the fuck up again, no idea if because all the glitched hats were sold en-masse or just made untradable and all the "normal" ones are at the top of the list again

>>16731712

Trade fags likely trying to force the price back to normal, hopefully it doesn't work.

they were just all made untradeable now if uncrated, the ones that were bought still are maybe

>Update on the Unusual situation: All Unusuals from the bugged crates have been marked as non-tradable for the time being. We are evaluating what steps to take with these items and will have another update for you after the weekend.

>>16731732

Double fuck.

Might as well reinstall it all the way and boot it up in hopes that they will issue another cheaters lament or something.

>>16731804

More like they'll just give everyone ANOTHER cheaters lament.

>>16731820

I picked it up during the steam sale when I was feeling nostalgic and stomped the shit out of everyone and everything before uninstalling it. Like how is it that the playerbase is so fucking bad at the game after being out for over 10 years?

You know what would be nice? If this was an act of sabotage by a valve programmer who was anger about how they have stopped making games

>>16731854

Who ever still works on TF2 still has much more than just that to be sour about. TF2 has become such a shell of it's former self.

>unusual hat market crash gets fixed in a single day

>but the still rising key prices are okay

>>16731841

A lot of the older and more experienced players who stuck it out through F2P and Quickplay abandoned the game when Meatmatching happened. It completely changed the way the average round was played, and how players reacted to it.

While the playerbase is still large, it's mostly been newer players and brazilians constantly filtering in and out because the game has drastically reduced its staying power while oldfags slowly drop out.

>>16731889

I sold a good chunk of the unusuals I unboxed last night and bought cyberpunk

>>16731903

>wasting it on a potential flop

>when you could have kept it in your steam wallet and just waited to see if it was a stinker or not

You are a double nigger and you should feel sorry for yourself

>>16731881

>>it's actually a plan to spike quarterly key sales because they don't make enough off non-market hat trading

This actually sounds viable. Since this "bug" is very strange in the first place.. Why exactly does only crate series 85 or so have it?

I mean it would make since that they would attempt to make a quick buck selling creates and keys since tf2 has already pretty much stopped making them money.

>>16732447

Seeing as how they have made the unusuals untradeable, unmarketable, and will straight remove them in 3 days I believe this. Anyone who spent money to buy crates or keys during this time has now completely wasted their money. Steam has straight up stolen from them now.

Fuck the hats, fuck the alt weapons, fuck all other cosmetics, and fuck the faggots who eat this shit up

These niggers have ruined TF2 and turned it into a rainbow pride parade fag fest with burning fucking hats that scorch my eyes when I have to look out into the battlefield at a sea of sodomite skulls scurrying about shooting each other. Death to Gabe Newell death to reddit fuck the TF2 nu-devs. This game is a rotting corpse propped up on strings, with the anally prolapsed San Francisco devs playing metrosexual puppetmaster. Death to all inventories, remove them, delete all items without any refunds and ban the big time traders for profiting off and perpetuating virtual hat sodomy like cryptokikes. TF2 has become the new Second Life with queers who spend every moment in the game trading and participating in the sewer of AIDS puss that is the economy instead of playing the game.

Imagine if you will a soccer game; each team will have a set of uniforms, one red and one blue. But then the referee decides to allow the players to wear different hats; at first the hats allowed are reasonably appropriate for the event, but over many game seasons the hats allowed become increasingly flamboyant, and the players are now wearing towering pillars of hats with feathers stuck in, and wigs so heavy with powder that the wearer becomes caked in white after a game, and shit emoji caps. Along the way the referee also starts allowing more outrageous outfits to be worn, and soon the games are a giant eyesore of players running around haphazardly and uncaring of winning since "it's just a game lol", in a sea of multicolored seizure inducement that strains one eyes if one dares attempts to keep track of what's happening. The games become a television static that no sane man can comprehend, a spectacle of dozens of unique individuals who are no longer competing as a team for victory, but rather vying for your attention with ever greater ludicrous displays.

TF2 has devolved into a great game for dominance, but not through the sort of honorable combat that real men are inclined for. These hat-fetishists have chosen the only way a weak-willed feminine beta male can assert himself among his peers: through passive aggressive outfit competition. These lost men do not wear outfits for mere style or even irony, but rather are trying to outclass their fellow faggots that surround them. At the top of the hierarchy of homosexuality are those with the greatest of treasures, such as Flaming Team Captains and other such extreme rarities, and these men typically have great influence upon the community and economy as do the jewish bankers and CEOs of real life. Below them the strength of one's poz position is relative to the expense and luxury of the attire, with those with unusuals being placed high depending on the exact rarity of the possessions, and this usually corresponds with some sort of influence and participation in the market; the underlings are those without any sort of real treasure, those that never bother to participate in great amount into the market and rise above the rungs of the ladder; those whom may own a cheap unusual, but are content with that. These 'plebians' hold little voice in matters, and are merely the eternal slaves of their economic 'daddies' who they prop up, for without the commoner there is no economy for the rich to exploit and thrive on.

>>16732671

I believe there is a finite amount of suffering possible on this Earth, and that this suffering has and will always be unequally spread among the different classes of society. Suffering is a tangible, measurable substance, but the amount of it present in the world is never increasing nor decreasing. Instead, throughout time, it is always spread out unequally among the different classes of society. The rich suffer little, having every luxury and service at their whim; the middle must struggle somewhat to sustain themselves, yet they live comfortably and without much worry; while the poor are constantly struggling to survive the hell of their lives, working endlessly without rest to sustain their meager existence. I say to you, to escape this awful balance of suffering, you must escape society itself. Cast aside your supposed 'need' for money, electricity, a pre-built home, and processed food, and run to the mountains to escape the Satanic world the jew and their negroes have molded in their Antichrist vision. Live in a shack made of sticks, eat what you grow, drink from the stream, and burn candlelight at night.

Truly wise are those who care not for the hats and other relatable accouterments, who only care about playing the game without the sideshow that has become the main attraction. But these people are being strangled out by the overwhelming forces of trade jews who have grown over the years to dominate TF2, and who have put TF2's devs on a leash, controlling every update to suit their whims at the direction of the top hat tradesmen. There is no hope for us now. We will be walked down this path until we reach the edge of oblivion, then we shall witness TF2's servers being shut down and this pyramid of a hat economy crumble with it. There is no future for this game, only the oxidation of the circuits of the Valve servers and the pages of rage the mighty shall exalt once they fall. Once this old world is burnt to make way for the New Kingdom, not one soul shall remember these times, for they shall not matter in the grand scheme of eternity.

>>16732671

>>16732672

4/10 trying too hard.

>>16732672

>>16732671

spicy spaghetti

>>16700385

>Dead game

>Can still find lots of heavily populated servers active at any time of day

Learn what dead means you dumb faggot.

>>16712815

As much an investment as "real" money.

>>16732863

Its still in top 10 most played on steam too

>>16731662

Can you believe this is in the same game that originally had people form hoedown lines playing Cotton Eyed Joe as a reason to keep playing?

>>16731841

>>16731820

Ya both need to keep in mind here, that the new matchmaking system is deliberately set up matches to win or lose before they even happen with thousands of matches of data on the players before they even play.

Unfortunately Pub stomping means less now than it used to

>>16733251

The one i bought doesn't, the two i opened do, seems like they didn't track sold ones

so maybe i will resell if the price goes back up

>>16733686

It seems to be that if someone bought or traded the "glitched" unusual it just says not tradable until a certain date.

Most people don't realize this so prices are going to be the same.

3 dollar hats are going to go for 20 dollars soon.

>>16732271

Shouldn't they be required to refund you on the purchase if they did that?

RUMOR: TF2 PUT ON HOLD DUE TO WORK ON HL: ALYX

Its a rumor, but knowing Valve, they have possibly put almost all people on the VR, even tough their other games need help, content and fixes, and they perfectly have no problem getting more people for their still profitable games.

Also, some dubious study shows game only shows 6K players playing game, with over 2K being bots/traders, and a more than a dozen players being on competitive. Weird because finding a random game is like only 10-20 second long to wait. and if not the 50K players that Steamcharts show, it should be at around 15K-35K.

Any thoughs on this?

>>16764421

TF2 has been on hold since Jungle Inferno and dying since Meet your Match

>>16731919

>tfw 7v7 comp ladder in '07-'09

I miss those days.

>>16764458

Why did they do Meet Your Match anyway? Was it just panic in the face of Overwatch?

>>16765136

Looks like yes. It was dumb, and ironically with Overwatch 2 now, they would truly try to fight it by making new MannVsMachine content, instead of a dumb matchmaking mode, when the old Quickplay maybe only required some fixes.

But thats Valve for ya, dumb & lazy, and only care about collecting Steam money, regardless of how much their games make.

>>16765136

They were listening to reddit and jewtubers

>>16765368

>Evil Dead 2

excellent taste, anon.

>>16765368

Hey asshole, don't pick on the freak fortress servers, it ain't their fault they gotta bottom barrel bosses to keep people on the servers.

>>16700385

>Constant updates

>>16700477

we had arena but it's fucking dead and i will never not be upset about it

>>16766266

Because making something like TF2 would require throwing out everything whatever peer-reviewed jokes they call "game design courses" out immediately. Seriously, I'm convinced the reason so many old games/spiritual successors are being made is because devs these days honestly forgot how to make good standalone games and it's all some big effort to reteach them.

>>16765368

>MYM was just a fucking disaster.

>Completley killed off the community servers.

I'm 100% sure this was done because of hats. For a while there was a dedicated server mod that would let you access all the hats and pick which ones you want for free. Not to mention if you look at pic here >>16710409 Who do you think is the most prevalent and still loose with their money. The hardcore might spend the most, but the sheer amount of dipshit normalfags in the hoard who will drop $20 for a unusual dildo heavily outnumbers them, and these dipshits get scared off from figuring out how to work a server browser. Gutting the community and replacing it with a hoard of retards with equally as retarded spending habits probably made valve a fortune.

>>16767800

You retarded nigger that plugin has been broken since like 2012

>>16766302

I know right? Arena was the tits.

>>16767854

>Can only read two sentances

Ignoring the fact that Valve, only caring about money, would probably want to tie up a loose end that invalidates their entire manneconomy scheme. The much larger point is that they want more normalfags because normalfags are retards with money.

>>16767881

>I don't give a shit about what you said considering quickplay already preceded matchmaking, and you're wrong regardless, and the issue wasn't just EZ GAME, the issue was Valve actively penalizing people for playing user servers with shit like contracts.

It was a process not one giant patch that just fucked the whole thing. Seems like Valve really wants to kill off dedicated severs. Couldn't be for herding normalfag cattle for sheckles could it? I wouldn't doubt ranked would have a hand in killing servers to. Shit is like a fucking slot machine.

>Again, player attachments on user servers were disabled LONG before the mannconomy shit, and the retarded idea to completely fuck the tf2 ecosystem had to do with eSports faggotry and not the joke of an economy that had existed at the time.

Who do you think cares about esports faggotry besides normalfags? The same people who come in hoards and blow their money on stupid shit. When I said Manneconomy I didn't mean the TF2 item economy. It's just bait to lure retards in. I meant the store they added. Even the esports faggotry is just a front. It's all a scam to herd normalfags into the game so they can spend all their slave wages on keys and hats.

>>16774799

well its dead as a doornail. i'll leave it open all night if anyone wants to join the idle time is 45 minutes.

>VNN says the lackluster response to MYM and JI is what caused TF2 to go on hold

>devs don't realize those updates were complete shit

I hate this team. What's worse is how a lot of the current TF2 team is still made up of the original devs, so it can't be blamed on "nuValve"

>>16775130

You know the worst thing.

That 15 second wall hack only exists because in 6s you literally NEVER have to consider there being a spy much less spawning and seeing one

At least, from what I remember it's a server variable and a not retarded server could just shut that off.

Kinda the same with how the fall off crits on ambassador is a weapon attribute you can turn off, and you can unfuck the sandman with a plugin to make it ghost stun instead

>>16775505

>there being a spy much less spawning and seeing one

I don't know how to shortcut spoiler but that's false. Spies do exist in sixes and wallhack is turned off in sixes. Every class is used in that format on the highest level. That includes Pyro, Engineer, Heavy and Sniper.

>>16774852

>Lackluster response to MYM

More like 'they fucking hated it', since it changed many things that nobody wanted except for compfags begging Valve to give them a proper matchmaking. But Valve somehow made it even worse by implying EVERYONE wanted it, not just the compfags. And that's why we're stuck with this horrible shitty matchmaking system.

>Jungle Inferno

<Lackluster

No shit, they've just added a few weapons for 2 classes, a campaign, some balance changes, and some (very shit at launch) maps. They revamped the Matchmaking but it's still nowhere near as good as Quickplay. They're probably trying to pull an Uber update but they forgot that the Uber update gave every class a weapon, TF2 went F2P, and it ended with the best Meet the Team short. Plus, the updates don't stop after that, they kept coming even months after release, unlike today.

I mean you literally have an entire community that would gladly work for you for FREE, all you need to do is just screen the fucktarded ones and input the ones that are actually good.

>>16775130

I honestly believe 2016 is the new cut-off point at how fucked everything is. It's like the new 2007

>>16776004

2007 is more to deal with the internet in general getting hyper centralized and shitty. 2016 is when tf2 in a fit of poor decision making and negative influence from a community that got blood in the water a year ago decided to repeatedly shoot itself in the leg.

Rebalancing updates were honestly a mistake, and while yeah some things kinda did need a fix. (Sandman in MvM should function like the new one, but honestly ONLY in MvM) letting youtubers know that they can get more or less any change they want made to the game if they sick their dumbass fan base on the devs was probably the worst thing to happen, ever.

Especially considering now Tf2 is in a state where Valve HAS to be constantly working on it since they killed user servers.

about to go play it again to see how much worse it actually has gotten since I last played it a couple years ago, already having problems

>moved steam games to a different part of my drive because I was going to get rid of steam entirely and wanted to preserve any game saves that may have been with the actual game files

>steam only allows you to have your games installed in one directory per drive because of some fucking retarded rule, so since they're not in the actual steam directory anymore it's not letting me do shit until I move it all back

what a great fucking start, now it's working

see you lads in a few

>>16702030

Soldier is fucking extremely unbalanced, specifically rocket jumping. There is zero justification for having such an over-powered mechanic exclusive to them/being in the game.

>>16777801

fuck me I actually had fun

>joined payload server

>most people actually knew what they were doing and were playing the game

>cosmetics are still fucking annoying but you can ignore them for the most part

>heavy still needs no skill whatsoever

>joined another payload server

>still the same for the most part

>soldier also needs no skill

>some engie was high as fuck and got his teleporters backwards

>steamrolled anyways

>played mvm because I still had tickets for some reason

>forgot how fucking loud it was holy fuck

>played an expert mission but had no difficulty on any of the waves

>everyone across all three servers was super cool and friendly with some banter

if you dig underneath all the cosmetics and valve not giving a fuck anymore the soul is still there, you just have to get lucky to find it

Alright, diehard TF2 fan here. Want to know why TF2 succeeded - and, if you're keen, understand why another like it will never be made again - when it was released?

>Intuitive art style that took into consideration how designs would affect gameplay while also being absolute eye candy - not to mention it was styled in such a way that it is essentially timeless

>Just enough classes to cover each role in each situation, no matter the game mode (with the only exception being some classes in Arena mode but that one sucks shit and has never seen a large playerbase to my knowledge)

>Users able to mod their game in multiple ways (maps, game modes, player models, skins, etc)

>I will say it again, users being able to make their own maps and play on community maps (and dedicated servers, for that matter) is a HUGE benefit for a multiplayer-based game.

>Updates both minor and major were spaced out perfectly - not too much and not too far in between

>classes themselves had perfect characterization. Each one unique and lovable

>new weapons added in major updates changed how some classes were played while still retaining each respective classes' strengths

I bet most of the people responsible for the TF2 we know and love are far gone or have since drunk the kool-aid. Sad.

>>16777887

>shrug it off because they're chasing trends and selling out to china and because they can just sell trading cards like they don't care about reception being bad because they, as a billion dollar company, need to focus all their attention on a single game (artifact)

>valve isn't somber at all they're making dough from doing literally nothing

>valve expects a half life announcement to be worse than artifact

fucking retarded shit, didn't bother to read the rest. fucking hell where did you get this make believe shit from?

>>16778045

You're a fucking retard and a hipster.

>>16778045

>that pic

Most of that shit isn't all that bad, and the stuff that is could be fixed by making it Halloween only.

>>16778053

Or we could do the less retarded option of just allowing people that foam at the mouth at the sight of a hat to toggle cosmetics as an option.

Make it an item, like the Pyrovision goggles

>>16778053

Its a really outdated, old-ass picture by now.

Theres far, far worse shit now.

Still, even though they arent as bad as some of the more recent stuff, they still clash with the original 1950-60s art direction and the character profiles.

Halloween restrictions are a fair compromise though.

Make it so anything that does not fit into the original art direction gets Halloween restricted.

>>16778054

You could make it an effect of The Proof of Purchase

but then most of the people complaining couldn't use it

>>16777887

>TF2 gets interest again

a man can dream…

>>16777887

I really hope this is true.

>>16778037

>>16778045

Exactly. MYM issues could have been fixed long time ago, but didnt happen. And with 12 years already, Valve should have remade the game by not. But if not before, now should be the time.

Obviously, one should worry how a tf3 game will be.

>>16778056

>>16778053

>Make it so anything that does not fit into the original art direction gets Community-Server restricted.

Fixed that for you. That would promote Community server more easily, instead of only Quickplay/Matchmaking.

the playerbase is shit regardless of its size. I can never find a game where people play seriously and use headsets which used to be at least half the team back in the day. No more /v/ or partyvan servers. Nobody wants the older maps. Somebody please prove me wrong! I miss this game so much.

>>16778365

Well the no mics thing is more to do with the fact that voice chatting on a public server is likely to get you harangued by a mob.

>>16780326

>please care about my loadout

Fucking nobody, I mean absolutely nobody, gives a flying fuck about your 'loadout'. tf2 threads got ruined by your blogposting ass. Are you a girl or something? Jesus fucking christ. No wonder tf2 went to shit when nobody actually plays the game anymore. It looks fucking retarded to have skulls on your chest or an out of place hat with an emblem on it. Soldiers are supposed to have the same hats. It's a rank thing you wouldn't understand because you wear retarded fuck skulls on your fucking self and somehow dare to call it okay. No wonder you're fine with it, what does that tell us about you?

>>16778365

>older maps

Nobody wants to play newer maps rather. I remember actually playing maps before they became official. Everyone is stuck on Dustbowl, 2fort and Orange.

>>16780329

>blogpost

It's an example of cosmetics that aren't distasteful you impulsively assblasted nigger. Either you don't get the symbolism of stahlhelm/skull or you're just retarded

>>16780329

That’s one of the main drawbacks of having that quick play shit. The “playable” maps are all picked out for you and largely just old TF2 maps for each respective game mode

>>16778068

You’ve got egg on your face, nigger. Yes, Valve would rather ride their cash cows that make money without needing much attention or care rather than making an entirely new game each time. Think about it - in TF2, CSGO, DOTA, all they need to do is release a box or a crate with new weapon skins, hats, or other cosmetics, and they’ll likely make literal millions. You know the battle passes in DOTA? Yeah, and do you know the prize pool for the internationals? Remind yourself that only a small amount of each battle pass purchase goes to that prize pool, meaning Valve makes at least double or triple that when the prize pool reaches absurd amounts like 20 mil.

And you think the modern day devs want to work their asses overtime on a new game when they can fill their next paychecks just fine with a gay cosmetic? Kill your self

>>16780345

If someone has a job and disposable income, there isn't any harm in tossing a couple bucks at a game you play often, even if it's wasted cash.

>>16780416

I literally have that exact same hardware configuration, shit's an issue on your end.

>>16780434

What issue? I haven't eluded to anything even related to performance problems or whatever, this entire conversation has been about whether cosmetics can be done tastefully.

>>16780416

>project

Why do you assume it's a projection?

>>16780453

Because you came out of nowhere with 'craptop' and the good 'ol classical 'if you don't blow tons of money on video games you're a poorfag' retardation. Crawl back to wherever you came from

>>16700965

Real men trimp and do that, you just arent playing the game right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r4JWKhK6yI

>>16780561

>out of nowhere

If you don't believe I made that comment after evidence then you're ass-backwards in logic

>second line

Yeah, no logic to be found there. It's not even anything I ever claimed, now who is projecting?

>>16780442

Gonna be honest, I'm so used to the same nonargument that hats destroy the framerate on everything forever that I wasn't really thinking along the lines of the aesthetic presentation of loadouts, since it'd be kind of redundant to arbitrarily restrict a customization system. Outside of something reasonable like equipping EVERY cosmetic in the game at the same time, which actually doesn't cause as much lag as you think it would.

>>16780635

>which actually doesn't cause as much lag as you think it would.

Tf2's minimum requirements in 2009 were much lower. Every single update that added 'cosmetics' has decreased the average FPS. FACT.

>>16780637

Well, obviously a game that has changed for OVER A FUCKING DECADE has more demands than when it first comes out, but you're also acting like hardware has been static for a decade. Of course tf2 wouldn't run on the minimum specs of hardware from LITERALLY A FUCKING DECADE AGO, WITH ALL THE WEAR AND TEAR OF IT BEING A DECADE OLD.

>>16780372

You're a fag for making me even entertain the idea of responding to you.

>Anon, Valve has a flat corporate structure. People work on what they want, they aren't bossed around by anyone. Valve also has no investors or shareholders, so they have no obligation to do any of that.

Except that, if you've been paying attention, you'd know they work through cliques, and anyone working on something not 'socially approved' is looked down upon - and considering that Valve is HQ'd in California, this means the employees are certainly not going to bother challenging those social expectations.

>(Underlords) is being run at entirely their expense

If you believe they'd do something for free like this then you've got another thing coming, lizard-brain.

>what about all the programmers and designers?

Fixing minor bugs in games nobody plays anymore (all bug fixes pointed out clearly and had their work done for them almost entirely by the community) and I don't know why you mentioned designer. Those are 85% idea guys, at least in my experience. At Valve it's definitely even more theory and less practice.

>Or all the engineers working within the hardware teams?

Oh yes, the glorious and brilliant minds behind the Steam Machine and the Steam Controller. Don't forget the "Home" system! It's a surprise these people earn paychecks at all.

>Valve doesn't even make the cosmetics anymore, the community does

Exactly, all Valve does is implement them.

>If the artists weren't doing anything and didn't have a purpose within the company, why wouldn't Gabe just fire them all?

1. They make concept art for cosmetics or whatever and use that as 'evidence' that they've done work

2. Gabe doesn't care about internals, he just plays video games (bad ones at that) in his office all day

3. The most the artists do nowadays is remake counter strike maps and make them look uglier and more cluttered. That's about it.

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Oh yeah, cause CS 1.6 and Doom run like shit nowadays