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>>16699171

>Nocturne

>Nocturne

>Mara

>Demi Fiend

>>16699171

>DDS1

>Raidou 1

>Taraka

>Aleph

>>16699171

Were's the SMUT?

>>16699365

>An enigmatic, charismatic, and sophisticated entity like he's suppose to be

But Lucifer is a little fag with massive daddy issues throwing the universe's longest temper tantrum in the actual lore

>>16699372

I agree

Metatron > Lucifer

Playing Nocturne as my first SMT game, currently on the subway/Four Oni section.

I get the impression actually trying to use newly recruited demons is a waste of time, since they're dead weight until they learn some skills and it takes forever to level them up (the battle system doesn't help). It seems much more effective to establish a team early on, fuse them with each other and re-summon from the compendium whenever your numbers start running slim. The only benefit to recruiting is to get things that are really impractical to fuse. Am I wrong about this?

>game

SMT4A

>OST

Jack Bros.

>demon

Mastema

>character

Alex

>game

Devil Survivor 1. I like the for the "society falling apart" part of SMT games, so a game about watching it all go to shit in front of your eyes is fun. Shame you can't get leave that bitch Midori to get lynched by an angry mob though. Synchronicity Prologue also deserves honorable mention.

>OST

Digital Devil Saga.

>demon

Marici or Fortuna.

>character

I like a lot of 'em, but I guess Amane if I had to pick, mostly for being the only actually good lawfag. Being cute helps too of course.

>Favorite Game

Nocturne. Couldn't for the life of me get into the series before then, tried the first one, didn't hit with me. Tried Digital Devil Saga and ended up loathing it and quit after the first boss / area.

>OST

From what I've listened to, the music from Devil Summoner Raidou is pretty good.

>Demon

Inugami because dog snakes are cool and I'm a scrub

>Character

Demi-Fiend I guess

>>16699171

>game

Devil Survivor 1 or SJ. Still need to get around to II, Nocturne and DDS

>OST

SJ's battle track, the weirder stuff from SMT IV and Devil Survivor 1's garuda track

>demon

Seth

>character

The Founder in Devil Survivor 1.

Is it worth suffering through SMT 4:Apoc for the upgraded gameplay from 4 and some of the endgame fights like YHWH?

>>16699714

compared to 4, 4:a's combat is actually challenging and rewarding, with fun bosses. you can still stack resistances/all elemental moves on every demon like you could in smt4 but it's nerfed a bit, just barely not enough to stop you completely though (there's more elements to reward specialization, instead of leaving you with 2 free slots on every demon the entire game). i recommend the free dlc with apocalypse difficulty too but it has the persona protagonist-dies-game-over system, if you don't like that don't bother since it's basically the same as the normal hard difficulty otherwise.

as far as endgame i reached nearly the very end then got caught up in the endless tower to unlock demons, then quit out of boredom. i can't vouch for the very final few bosses, but every other boss is interesting and fun. don't bother with the endless dungeon though unless you want to hit level 99, the bosses there have a billion health and instead of having interesting mechanics they're really easy, and they just kick you out and make you enter the fight 4-5 times until you eventually kill them. it's horrible and tedious and a waste of time.

4:a has the worst story i've ever seen in my entire life no exaggeration, and exactly half of the soundtrack is unbearable (the other half is really good). if those are deal breakers, don't play it. otherwise it's just an improvement on the gameplay mechanics of smt4.

>>16699714

hell no it isn't. 4A is hilariously awful, they actually have to damage gate yhwh to prevent you from killing him too fast.

>>16699765

>>16699832

Should 4A's story make us worry about SMT5?

>>16700039

4:a "tries" to be a "fanfic", as in, they purposefully did not give a single fuck about the story. though what makes it really pathetic is it doesnt even rise to shitty fanfic level and even fails at that, so yes even as a cash-grab or fanservice or what have you i'd call it a really bad sign for the writing team.

i'd be more worried by persona 5's paper-thin plot and smt4's extremely easy, lackluster gameplay that atlus only felt comfortable anti-casualizing in the shitty spinoff sequel.

>>16700039

Team Maniax so far doesn't have a good record for their writing, so all we can do is hope they get someone that can actually write. The way they've been silent about anything regarding SMT5 is worrying amidst the sheer amount of P5 content getting announced and made.

>>16700039

Not just SMT 4:A, also consider their recent "expanded" re-releases of SMT SJ and Radiant Historia. I don't trust current Atlus at all.

At this point I'd take SMT5 as barebones storywise as SMT4 instead of them fucking it up again like 4:A.

>>16700144

Hey, cut him some slack.

If it wasn’t for Persona, Atlus would have shitcanned the series long ago.

>>16700144

I can't get into their mobile series because I don't have a 3ds.

>>16699257

I will beat you to death, fool.

>SJ, Nocturne, DDS1, DeSu Overclocked

>DDS2

>Decarabia

>Gale

>>16700148

Flag aside this is preferable to modern Atlus continuing to fuck over SMT at this point.

>>16700159

Daily reminder that the current SMT team is divided into two groups, one that wants classic SMT and another wants weeb pandering bullshit.

http://archive.vn/AC2YG#selection-307.0-307.42

>>16699171

>Soul Hackers

>Raidou 1 and PSX Persona 1

>Mastema

>Nakajima

Reminder that as soon as Gideon finally fucked off we got both the remaining SNES games translated near instantly.

Also go play the fucking old games you retards, Nocturnals are as bad as personafags.

>>16700211

were the new translations rushed out just to shit in him? all i know about aeon genesis is that his smt1 translation has trash menus, and on the page for his if… translation he cries about the community like a cuck.

>>16700517

>>16700211

also, /r/ing story of him getting assblasted by the community if there is one

>>16700522

>>16700211

>>16700517

Who's Gideon? Some faggot localizer like those pozzed reddit translators of Thracia?

>>16700524

i assume he means gideon zhi, aka aeon genesis. he did full translation patches for smt1, smt2, and smt if… for snes.

>>16700517

They weren't done to spite Gideon, but they were done by people passionate about the megten games and worked at a real cracker of a pace. They got what 3? games out in a year. Majin Tensei, Majin Tensei 2, Last Bible GameGear and that's just their megten work, they are still progressing on other stuff.

>>16700524

Funny you bring up Thracia, the hacker is/was, not quite sure there, working with another chap on a Thracia patch that has been quietly progressing for years by the guy who did the FE4 patch.

>>16700526

>>16700524

He's not even a translator if memory serves (actually just checked, SMT I and II had Tom and Ian Kelley credited for translation), just a romhacker and hoster for various projects other people translate for, which he promptly sits his ass on instead of trying to get finished. Last few years he had thirty something unfinished, some of which not even having progress reports in a decade.

>>16700804

>Funny you bring up Thracia, the hacker is/was, not quite sure there, working with another chap on a Thracia patch that has been quietly progressing for years by the guy who did the FE4 patch.

Better the hacker than the translator "translator" joining up on that, that's for sure.

>>16700211

But when will Devil Summoner 1 get translated?

Also people gave up translating Soul Hackers because of the 3DS version but is the 3DS version any good? Would the original still be worth pursuing?

>DDS

>Raidou 1

>666 tits Satan

>Gouto

>>16700836

>Better the hacker than the translator "translator" joining up on that, that's for sure.

Sorry to clarify. The hacker that worked on MT,MT2,Last Bible etc, is working on or at least was working on another separate Thracia patch and has been for years.

>>16700848

DDSTranslation?

>>16700885

Yeh. bookofholsety is doing the translation. Tho a notoriously difficult person to get in contact with so i'm not sure if they are still working on their Thracia patch, i hope so tho.

>>16700889

>Tho a notoriously difficult person to get in contact with so i'm not sure if they are still working on their Thracia patch

Obnoxious when that happens, especially if it's someone critical to the project holding things up for whatever reason. For example, the guys working on SCS3's patch apparently only recently managed to figure out where their programmer went (again, if memory serves he's done this before), and have supposedly roped him in for the rest of the project until it's finally done, but who fucking knows. Some people vanish repeatedly.

>Persona 3 :^) its still a megaten game and theres not enough anger I the world to change that Nocturne

>DDS

>Makami

>Demi-fiend or Aigis

>>16700932

>and I don't see any reason to play those ones over it.

Historical purposes really since the original game was never brought over on it's platform. Plus I'd be lying if I wasn't the kind of person to want to play the previous version of a game even if an update comes out that's better. It's the same reason I played P3 vanilla even after P3P came out.

I never finished Soul Hackers. The game was piss-easy when you had a couple off buff-demons in your party.

>game

Strange Journey

Almost no other game managed to hook me like the way it has, it was extremely suprising considering the way the game looked and played like

>OST

Most of SMT4 soundtrack is fucking godlike

>demon

Demi-fiend even though hes only half demon

Besides him? Any demon with some juicy titties on its chest including Satan.

>character

Jimenez did nothing wrong

>>16701004

I did. I beat the final boss in around 5-7 hits after I debuffed the shit out of his defense then buffed the shit out of my party. He was very hard to hit though, I think around half of my attacks missed the guy.

>>16700932

>none of these are enabled by default

But I remember much of those being enabled by default in my case.

>>16700932

Thanks. Sounds pretty good.

>>16701295

Given Bugaboo's personality, the way Jimenez's personality shifted after fusing with him never made 100% sense to me, honestly. Realizing that Jimenez is only about quarter demon means that his decisions were, ironically, almost entirely his as a human rather than his as a demon.

>>16699714

>SMT 4:Apoc for the upgraded gameplay from 4

Its "upgraded" in all the wrong ways.

Did you like how in SMT you could use status ailments on bosses? Well fuck that shit, its all gone now. Now its smirk spamming while the bosses fail to keep up with your DPS.

But that isn't even the worst part. The plot is some retarded shit which starts by taking a big dump on SMT4 and then by completely destroying the tone of the game and world. Words cannot express how awful the plot is.

>>16701383

The plot is bad but the gameplay IS upgraded from IV, including ailments being useful several times in bosses and ridiculous on random encounters all the way up to the Metatron hordes in YHVH dungeon. Sukuna is weak to sick even, and demon affinities make ailments actually viable for your demons to use and have a high chance of infliction.

>>16701383

>Did you like how in SMT you could use status ailments on bosses? Well fuck that shit, its all gone now.

4 had absolutely none of this. 4A has several bosses that are WEAK to ailments and nothing else, and most of the early ones are vulnerable to them, especially sick and daze.

>Now its smirk spamming while the bosses fail to keep up with your DPS.

Describes 4 to a T. 4A on War or Apocalypse difficulty keeps your damage levels in check and keeps enemy damage high throughout the game, much better than 4 at the very least.

>>16701076

don't forget how his translations were so shit it required a patch to fix one of them because of a bug that made one of the paths unavailable, the fact that he changed the dialogue for a few characters that would make Nintendo Treehouse blush. And that he only had an autistic meltdown only after people told him when the game was going to be released. Not to mention how many untranslated games he's hogged and hasn't worked on for years.

>>16701076

This is the big reason why I don't understand why people are unwilling to translate a game/novel even if someone else has expressed a commitment or released partial patches of. If they aren't doing it at a reasonable pace, and if you want to translate it you should do it 100% guilt and hesitation free. Especially if the translator you're "stealing" the project from has a history of shitty behavior.

>>16702185

And risk having all your efforts amount to nothing because he suddenly releases a "complete" patch after you've commited hours upon hours of work?

>>16702195

>And risk having all your efforts amount to nothing

Since when does a second translation being out make your translation worthless? Sure it makes it redundant but if you're doing an original translation instead of hacking a script from a localized version from another platform it still has worth.

>>16702198

It still makes your work feel diminished.

>>16702207

Your reasoning is pretty weak tbh and not at all something that should keep you from stepping on the toes of a scumbag who is holding completed or near-completed translations, or who starts a large number of projects but finishes very few, on the path of making your own translation especially if you're better motivated and capable of doing so. Have you ever contributed or undertaken a translation project?

>>16702210

It's the typical Western "politeness > everything that makes any practical sense" mindset, it's why we're in such a mess. If anyone still had balls they'd just go "hey faggot, ultimatum time" at the first sign of major downtime and one or the other would be getting released much sooner

>>16702225

>Western

I think you mean Reddit. After all, here on >>>/hgg/ alone there are several home-grown projects to mod h-games against the wishes of their creators, usually in the vein of including underage content.

>>16702210

It may be so, but that is what I'd feel. You say it shouldn't keep me from 'stepping on the toes of that scumbag' but I don't see it that way. I wouldn't translate something out of spite for starters so it has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with politeness as >>16702225 puts it.

>>16702195

If your work is better, then their efforts are what amounts to nothing, while you're the hero that actually properly translated the game

And from what I'm hearing, this guy does real shit jobs, so even more reason for people to tell him to fuck off and make their own translations

The only people that will care about this are the kinds of idiots that shill for bad localization companies, except even worse and more pathetic because they're shilling for random incompetent dudes. Everyone else just wants to play the game and they'll play the version that doesn't need updates and patches to stop the game from breaking their emulators or crashing the PC

>>16699468

Do you plan on fighting all the Onis? Hopefully you know the trick to beating Ongyo-ki. It has been awhile since I played Nocturne but I believe you just want new ones so you can have access to them later like you said.

>>16702261

>Absolutely nothing to do with politeness

Alright, "giving the benefit of the doubt" then. 20+ years ago there would have been competitions between others to race to finish what that worthless fuck was cockblocking. No one would give a shit about what you're talking about.

>>16701295

There was mention of fusion accidents occurring with human/demon based on a comment from an npc in smt 4 in blasted tokyo. Said npc looks like one of the food demons you encounter early in tokyo. He was a smoked pig.

>>16702308 Meant for >>16701037

should I play the NES games or is kyuyaku better?

>>16702313

kyuyaku has both 1 and 2 and is fully translated

>>16702331

nes mt games arent translated yet? I swear there was one that was translated recently, anyways thanks

>>16702347

only the first, second was getting a translation but stopped after kyuyaku finished translation

>>16702210

One factor is simply that whoever puts out first is going to set the standard and subsequent translation patches have to do something better to actually find usage in the community. So if you wind up getting sniped by another group there's some honest soul searching to be done because either you put out something people won't use or you make it something people will adopt and thus validate all the time it takes to hack a translation into a game.

I think the notion of politeness and "we don't want to step in your territory" is also a factor but romhacking is still something people do to create a usable "product". If nobody is going to use your hack because someone else beat you to the draw why bother finishing it?

>>16702831

On a related note (being a game with multiple finished patches), to this day I'm still not sure of whose fan-translation of Mystic Ark is considered the better. I'm sure most people used AG's patch because it came out a few months earlier than Dynamic Designs' though, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's preference towards that one amidst the game's western fanbase by simple virtue of being first.

Has anyone took a look at this? It goes into great detail about the modern demon designs in SMT.

http://archive.is/eLQ15

>>16704115

He usually writes some good shit, but he also wrote this:

http://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2017/06/jjcat.html

>>16704143

Yeah other than that JJCAT article his scathing articles and posts about nu-SMT is refreshing.

>>16701076

>sitting on Slime Mori Mori Dragon Quest

>has been for years with no progress

>no other translation group will pick it up because its "claimed"

Fuck that guy with a rusty spoon.

>>16704143

How can you not understand that using something as a basis for a story doesn't mean you fucking believe it. SMT4 was all theosophist bullshit, does that mean they're Theosophists?

>>16704235

>>16704143

>>16704381

Off topic but the demon Mitra, the lion one, is actually a statue to Ahriman. Zoroastrian is Dualist but the Romans weren't, so when the Mithras cult spread West, they treated the Evil Gods as if they were an equivalent part of the pantheon.

I can't wait for SMT V to come out and be good.

>>16707198

Hey you know, looking forward to winning trillions of dollars for doing nothing too. Both are about as likely

>>16707176

>Why does SMT4 and SMT4A have the worst demon designs in the series thus far? Looking at the concept art, they had much better ones they could have went with.

Maybe they thought the ones they went with looked "cool" to their audience. Atlus higher ups are seriously retarded and holding Doi back.

>>16704277

He's an utter faggot, he was time to post leftist shit on twitter and discord but no time to update his own site. He needs to stop being a hoarding kike and cut down his active projects so that other people who want to translate can get the job done.

So do chaos fags have a logical argument that doesn't appeal to emotion, or is it just "muh freedom"?

What am I saying, logic is anathema to chaosniggers

>>16711899

You can't fool me, (((Law friend)))

>>16711915

Nice rebuttal, low-iq chaosnigger

>>16711920

Oh shit nigger, is that a person or thing that terminates?

>>16704115

I always get a good laugh at how upset he gets over loli demons, and I still don't understand his complaints with Amon. He just finds things he personally doesn't like and goes "no it's inspired by tokusatsu or anime so it's bad!!!" It's just sometimes he does pick out things that are actually bad regardless of the reason why.

>>16715128

You can especially tell from this line here:

>Like in SJR, we have a traditional demon (by their reckoning, anyway) with Amon to appeal to old fans, young girl and busty girl to charm every kind of Japanese male imaginable, and the hot-blooded tokusatsu Zeus to get the attention of the kids playing Monster Hunter or Yo-kai Watch on their 3DSes

He's just sees everything that isn't his own demographic as beneath him and comes up with excuses as to why. He's deathly afraid of any sort of sex appeal because that's for dirty gross nerds, despite it always being there.

He's willing to admit that Kaneko's designs had the same sort of issues, but rejects the notion that maybe the new stuff is because it has been going on with the whole series the entire time.

Why is SMT IV: Apocalypse hated around here? Maybe it's because I had only played SMT: Strange Journey before it, but I quite liked it. The music was great, the storyline decent with some surprising plot twists, and overall fun gameplay.

>>16715194

Haven't played it, but people really fucking hate the writing, apparently.

There were some very strong knee-jerk reactions with the character designs being "persona-y," and I think that stuck with it. In general people just really like shitting on it and 4.

>>16715194

The music is the only good thing about it, otherwise it's a massive step down from SMT3. It should have been a spinoff or something, making it mainline was a mistake.

>>16715208

You mean Nocture? Wasn't that just one big grindfest with little to no storyline?

>>16715093

Approximately how "real" is that screen?

4 and Final/Apocalypse seem pretty well liked in Japan, judging by Amazon reviews, so I wonder how much of the shit writing is actually translation garbage. What I played of 4 (in Japanese), I really enjoyed, but people say it gets worse the longer it goes. I stopped playing because I wanted to play the rest of the series first to get a better grasp as to why people don't like it.

>>16715225

3 is generally overrated but it's still good. It's way less grindy than the games before it, and the story is more about depicting the vortex world than having giving demiqua a character arc.

>>16702195

>>16702207

>>16702261

>WAAAAAAAH MUH WORK IS DIMINISHED IF IM NOT FIRST

Please do us all a favor and fucking kill yourself. You are why faggots like Gideon hold romhacking back with "muh first claim" bullshit.

Reminder if Gideon wasn't a mod at RHDN his entire catalog would've been finished by more competent hackers long ago.

>>16715194

It's because almost everything about it is an antithesis to what SMT is about.

>>16715225

> grindfest

If you're grinding in a SMT game, you're doing it wrong lrn2 fuse and git gud.

>>16715230

It's apparently a sub-app for the Dx2 mobileshit game that was intended for players to review how good demons were. But the comments are practically unmoderated, so shitposting ensues instead.

>IT'S LIKE ANUDDA CONCEPTION

I'm playing Strange Journey and while going through it I try to get the demons fully analyzed and grab source then fuse for new ones. Is it worth doing that or should I be playing differently?

>>16722804

>Is it worth doing that or should I be playing differently?

I did it that way and it only made the game a bit more grindy. If you want to know a specific demon's source by all means look it up because the skills you get might not be worth the extra time. Otherwise just play how you want.

>>16722971

Is there anyway to know what the source is going to give? I assumed it was going to be the demon's base skills but when I went in to aim for a specific source it ended up not being that at all.

Regardless I'll probably keep doing that, but changing up for specific skills if I need, thus far it's mostly just been bosses I've been mixing it up for.

>>16723014

I'm assuming you're playing vanilla SJ since you didn't say redux so this site will help. Just find the demon name and then check their link

http://apps.evilrobotstuff.com/strange_journey/demons/

>>16723037

Yeah, playing the original. I'd rather avoid having to rely on outside sources if I could, but since that's what you link I assume it's the only way to know. Thanks.

Anyone know where this album is? I can't find it anywhere other than the youtube page it was uploaded on.

How convenient SMT3 Manix Chronicle Edition was posted two years ago but I just updated from 1.0.4 to 1.1.2 so here's a link to that patch, if you need the ISO I can upload mine, you also need DeltaUIX to patch it by the way, though that one is straight forward if you can't figure out that you might have brain problemss; Link for patch here;

https://mega.nz/#!JFgwAAKL!zLzeX2e8ZXaeT4UZzePSjwuv-hQMa_BQqllqWZFPRj4

When the fuck is SMT V coming out?

>>16732181

Hopefully never.

The SMT If Akira route is such a fucking chore. Yumi route was fun if you ignore sloth being complete bullshit. Akira route is so bland.

>>16735282

>sloth being complete bullshit.

Whoever designed that level seriously needs to fucking die.

>>16735282

>Akira route is so bland.

You'd think otherwise based off his premise being a Devilman spin.

>>16735420

I mean, I get it thematically, but from a gameplay point of view, its awful. I ended up running laps in the school to pass moon cycles after grinding for hours, getting loads of demons, then ~40k mag.

>>16735534

> I ended up running laps in the school to pass moon cycles after grinding for hours, getting loads of demons, then ~40k mag.

Same here. Only time I've decided to grind in any MegaTen game. Complete bullshit.

just beat the phone version of the first one

it was aight

i think i managed to completely miss all of the additional content but whatever

Yeah, alright I'll restate what I said.

I wish Nocturne got a port to the vita, like P4 did, because it's such a kickass game. It would have made sense too since p4 used the game engine, and Nocturne was the big mainline game first released on Playstation

>>16742103

They would fuck up the game somehow since they usually add shit that makes it much worse.

>>16764066

Dammit, forgot to spoiler the image. My bad. Very tired.

Anyone looking forward to that P5 Scramblers thing? Looks way more fun than the actual P5.

>>16764437

That was the Musou, right?

>>16764852

Still is, hasn't come out yet. It's looking to be closer to a mix between Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and Sengoku Basara 4.

>>16699171

>Strange Journey

>IV

>Sraosha

>Oi

>Game

Nocturne

>OST

Trauma Team

>Demon

Samael

>Character

Hiroko

>>16765434

Toki is possibly the worst character out of the MegaTen franchise along with that shitheap pile of the game she came from.

>>16765665

Hold on, this post was already made >>16711899

I thought this was a different thread because I thought that post was made months ago

>>16766402

>That Devil

good shit

>>16766402

those actually look like kanekos. i wish it was kaneko himself though considering atlus wants everyone to forget about him

>>16766432

Where did you get that impression?

All of his demon-designs are so iconic, you saw how the fanbase reacted to the reimagined Lilith and how Atlus backpedaled.

Hell P5 still used the Kaneko-Lilith.

>>16766672

they've been steadily removing his name from his artworks iirc

Just what the fuck is SMT4's art direction? It reminds me of Xenoblade 2 where every Blade's concept art is drawn by a different artist.

>>16766925

>It reminds me of Xenoblade 2 where every Blade's concept art is drawn by a different artist.

They got Sentai artists for the game.

>>16767195

I did say possibly, Asahi is up there too.

>>16767930

>>16766925

>>16767195

>we will never get a prequel that explains all the plotholes in that duology

i hope that smt v never goes the route the smt4 duology with its story

>>16767951

to shit out persona games

>>16711920

It was a good option in devil survivor. Not the best but compared to other iterations, god and his angels have good reason to be hostile and it shows that humans aren't always right. That was the only time that law was at the very least decent.

>>16768781

>I'm guessing you're suppressing any memories of SMT4.

are you implying Law is a good choice in SMT4?

Neutral is the only choice in SMT4, law and chaos are explicit bad ends.

YHVH DID NOTHING WRONG

>>16700159

The port of fire emblem idols is just a cheap port made from the european release, and nips buying the wiiu copy in droves when it was announced they were using the censored european template for the switch port probably did make them do a double take.

>>16768849

>>16769015

I can't really except fictional examples designed to be as unflattering as possible to be valid examples

>>16769673

>yhwh did nothing wrong

>smt2 law theme

???

>>16781185

They fucked up Strange Journey too though and that was released after Apocalypse. Nu-Atlus only cares about trying to grab the Persona audience with mainline SMT.

Is Giten Megami Tensei any good? Is there any reason it hasn't been translated? Is is even worth playing?

>>16784629

Is the ramake of Bizarre JoJourney any good?

>>16784631

Adds a 3rd wheel character who is also a mary sue that needs to be defeated to get the "ultimate" ending while fucking up all the art to be worse.

Its a typical fatlus remake i.e. not worth playing.

>>16784650

Did it even have much of an improvement in terms of graphics?

>>16700039

I am not even worried one bit by SMT 5. Typically Atlus takes forever to release something, and it is not abnormal for something to be announced and then be worked on for 4 years and then released. Look at Final Fantasy XV(i know i know dev hell but still), Death Stranding and even Metal Gear Solid.

I will say though it is going to be better only due to the fact in IV and Apocolaypse you had to replay the maps over again which was the limitation due to Nintendo 3DS platform.

>>16700093

>At this point I'd take SMT5 as barebones storywise

Persona 5 did have issues with exposition and explaining what exactly happened. It kind of had a memory hole issue but i have zero clue if its due to the rush by the translation team having to do 120 hours worth of text or what. But i am hoping Royals does a far better job when it releases than what we had with P5. Still a great game though none the less and i would recommend it as a starter game for anyone getting into SMT and Persona as a series.

>>16700159

>Wasn't there and article about them working on a port of SMT#FE for switch? They think that a literal, another SMT#FE would be more profitable than putting an ounce of resources into developing an SMTV.

Let me do a green-red text as to what happened its a complex process.

>Treehouse "translates" Mirage Sessions censoring out clothing, and even going as far as making a normal wedding dress

>Japanese does not get censored(because Fans would throw a bitch fit over this and it would bomb, 2ch decides what succeeds and fails)

>Game succeeds in Japan but bombs in the West for obvious reasons.

<a few years later after the demotion of Treehouse, Nintendo announces a port with added plot elements, and monsters etc

<Everyone in the West thought it was censored because it did not have lewd stuff showing

>Note: This has happened before where Trailers censor out violence etc due to Japanese Youtube rules, and then in the full game it is on there, even SMT Apocalypse had this happen. So it was up in the air due to no announcement on it

<A few months later on the Japanese Nintendo website it says its the Western release

<Japanese fans notice it is censored and the justification for Nintendo porting it was because the Western version had a few extra scenarios

<Japanese get pissed and call the West names not heard since WWII

<Japanese Chans,Twitter and the community gets up in arms over this

<Nintendo allows the Japanese to refund their games because they did not specify which version it was

<Japanese then buy the WII-U version to show they want the original and that Atlus should rework it even if it costs them some money.

Sadly its a leftover from Treehouse, but ever since that Nintendo Of Europe has been translating the games and allowing lewd stuff including Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

>>16701076

This is mostly true but you are missing a few details.

>Sits on translating the games,

>No group touches it because its "claimed" and usually stays away due to unwritten rules

>Makes a Patreon and sits on the games

>Goes on Resetara to talk about how TAHXIC the SMT Community is.

>Suddenly a small group of people who can translate starts to say "fuck this we are going to translate the games we dont fucking care if its claimed"

>Shits out a translation that is well done within 8 months flat.

If i remember that is the same guy that put

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/4832/ out.

>>16784831

From what I'm reading he's actually trying to get the Goemon games finally released in english after two fucking decades since Gideon Zhi is a patreon collecting inept fuck.

>>16784856

Absolutely, they make mini drama "im going to no longer translate the game because you said mean things" "im not going to do it" you have to force their hands and get people together to say "fuck it, he has not translated this in two decades or 5 years, is not making any real progress we will do it instead" its the only thing that forces their hand.

>>16784818

>Try Strange Journey Redux and Soul Hackers if you can. You seem to like the retro versions of the SMT series.

SJ Redux is awful, play the original.

>>16784949

The original is awful, play SJ Redux.

>>16784971

The only thing redux does is put in worse looking redrawn art for the MCs, makes the game easier, adds Mary from Persona 4, throws in several retarded endings along with her and ruins the ones left in from the previous game.

>>16784831

>>16784875

Seriously, what makes these prima donna faggots think they have any sort of leverage? Not everyone knows Japanese or how to code, but if there's enough of an interest people WILL learn how to do it themselves if the niggers get uppity and say they're not working on it anymore. Far as I know, the only reason people let games be "claimed" is as a courtesy because of how long translating/progamming the text into the game takes and they don't wanna make the other guy's effort wasted.

>>16785496

First to the finish line might be a better way to go, but I don't know enough about the scene to say for certain. Maybe a grace period for someone who's claimed something, after which, it's a free for all.

>>16785500

>but I don't know enough about the scene

There's no "scene", it's just a bunch of faggots doing it for free or epeen who actually finish their shit, then you got the ones collecting patreon bucks who sit on their asses indefinitely or just wait to get scouted by corporations for a job position that proceed to delete their shit while never actually finishing their projects.

>>16785532

In that case, it should be whoever finishes first, finishes first. Survival of the fittest. How did the convention of letting people take however long they wanted with a translation originate? It seems pretty stupid to me.

>>16785536

There was never "letting people take long", faggots will be faggots and projects are projects, people will finish them if they want to or not, whether they ask for incentive or not. Comissions are comissions, money is money, time is a finite resource, people will do whatever the fuck they want without obligation or value or virtue holding them together.

I've been playing SJR and didn't know I was supposed to hate it, tbh I don't think I could go back to the original, although I never did finish it (maybe I'll pick up one of my old saves). But holy cow, this game did not need to be any longer, I have to put it down for a bit with the risk of dropping it yet again

>>16791883

This, shit sales of Apocalypse didn't stop them from ruining Strange Journey.

>>16791953

They're gonna cut content so they can sell it as Day 1 DLC.

>>16791953

At least now we'll be able to find out definitively whether this will be more of the same shit or them trying to make SMT great again.

>>16699171

>Game

Soul Hackers

>OST

Nocturne

>Demon

Isis

>Character

Demi-Fiend

>DeSu1

>SMTI

>Mothman

>Atsuro

I have come to the realization that while I enjoy the games and the mechanics, the endgame becomes such a slog to me that I end up dropping them. So far I dropped:

>SMTI on the Great Cathedral

>SJ on Eridanous

>SMT4:A on YHVH's Universe

There's so much corridors you can run down and dead ends to automap before it gets old, and that's with Estoma up. If you're going to have a gorillion paths that lead nowhere, at least put something better than a Hustle Drink or an outdated piece of armor at the end.

>>16792334

>It took me about 50 hours to complete

I dropped like 200 hours on SJ and that is only counting my second attempt at the game. When I first picked up the game, I made it to Sector Carina before getting bored and not touching it for probably a year.

The fact that I knew most of the maps of the first 3 sectors helped though, early game was much less of a slog that way.

>TFW never did NG+

I keep telling myself, some day I will pick it back up and do NG+, but I never seem to be able to get myself to do NG+ in RPGs.

>>16792718

"John Madden, I've always said he's the greatest Shin Meegoomi Tenso player that ever lived. I've seen this guy beat all of Nocturne without even using a single buff or debuff." -Brett Favre (January 20th, 2017)

>>16792715

Here's a man who does not rush

>>16792334

I'm about 50 hours, just landed in the F-zone whatever it's called. That's like a month and a half of irl time for me. All the skip-encounter EZMODE stuff in SJR is kinda balanced out by the time the new side dungeon eats up. I've got it on hard mode if anyone cares.

>>16792612

>I have come to the realization that while I enjoy the games and the mechanics, the endgame becomes such a slog to me that I end up dropping them.

Same, Soul Hackers is the only one that didn't feel WAY too long to me. I've dropped about as many of these things as I've finished.

>Strange Journey was the last SMT game to use Kaz's art

>They remake the game and go out of their way to replace all his good art with generic anime shit

I'll never understand why they did this.

>>16796256

It's extremely grindy, even for a SMT game, in terms of items, exp and money. And Atlus made pay-to-grind DLC to make things more bearable. You can even buy demons with a fuckload of skills like the Megidos, Victory Cry, Luster Candy, Dekaja and Dekunda.

Also, Dagda did nothing wrong, and killing your friends is the right choice.

Toki best girl.

>>16796247

Because the upper Atlus management wants generic anime shit.

>>16796256

Most Megaten games got review bombed by someone for some reason but even so IV Apocalypse is shit due to DLC, shitty story, shit dungeons and being handholdy.

>>16796247

I agree with you with the art being shit, but am I the only one here that actually liked SJ Redux?

>>16796360

Probably not but I feel that it's a shitty remake on par with Radiant Historia and Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold.

>>16796360

I could have tolerated SJ Redux if it wasn't for the shitty forced in new plot points and characters.

>>16796275

No way, the game constantly showers you with exp like mad, you actually reach 99 for the final boss through normal gameplay

The DLC is shit because they're paid cheat codes

>>16796360

I'm enjoying it, the new dungeon is pretty nice, the QoL is much improved

>>16796256

It's next for me, here's hoping it will be a pleasant surprise after you guys have lowered my expectations

Can these games be played on PC? I liked P3 and P5 (mostly) but I hear SMT is really where the spirit of the series lies. Is this true?

>>16792718

>>16792715

>160 hours

I just don't think I can put time like that into games anymore. I remember putting 115 hours into Legend of Dragoon as a child, but that's insane.

>>16797537

Putting over 100 hours into a linear JRPG with no fucking content beyond battle animations sounds more insane to be frank.

>>16797537

>I remember putting 115 hours into Legend of Dragoon as a child

This is some autism

>>16797596

>>16797599

It was the only game I had. I had Earthworm Jim on the SNES, and Armored Core or something like it, but my stepmom sold it.

>>16797603

That sounds like depression to me. I've done shit like play Ariel the Little Mermaid 2 over and over again since my copies of FFVII, FFIX and Spyro 3 copy got ate up by the used PS1 my parents bought for me as a kid since they were dumb enough to buy one of the earlier models.

>>16797606

How the fuck did a single console eat three of your games? Am I missing something or are you fucking retarded?

>>16797752

You must be an underage retard since you can't even bother looking anything up on google about the old PS1 models.

>>16796275

It's nu-smt

>>16796256

Some will hate it because its basically SMT IV recycled maps, but i like it because it is not as stupid on the end game especially on neutral route with the laundry list. Opinions might differ because some do not like some of the Personaish storyline elements in regards to it not being edgy enough for their liking. I try not to compare the past and the present as it should be judged on what it tries to achieve instead of what it once was or what it is today.

If anything SMT Apocalypse is a fun game to play and fixes so many issues with IV its not even funny. If you hated IV you will love apocalypse and appreciate all the QOL improvements. If you liked IV you may hate Apocalypse and find it too easy for your liking. Except the end map is kind of a huge puzzle in of itself.

>>16796287

>>16797329

>DLC cheat codes

Its optional though. If someone is struggling they can pay for it, i say why not. Fire Emblem Fates has this as well and nobody complains about it there. And they make money to hopefully make another game in the series and also SJ Redux has something similar. Nobody complains but does cherry picks on this is absolute madness.

>>16797537

Most of it is storyline related and exposition anyways. JRPG's hinge itself on storyline if anything and music.

>>16798055

That only happens if you use something with an extendible tray and expect it to not break down eventually like a retard,you just sound plain fucking retarded.

>>16798086

>only happens with an extendible tray

>PS1

Anon, you, apparently, lost three separate games to single console. The only one that sounds fucking retarded here is you.

>>16798115

What the fuck are you even talking about, a PS1 isn't a PS2 you stupid fucking bot.

>>16798128

>Nice way to summarize your whole arguments so far.

>Missing the point

You didn't put forward a point and just said it's subjective, that's not a talking point, you bring forward you position or don't.

>You ignore that not everyone sees the way you do. Come down from your ivory tower sometime. You will find some are casuals who like to play the game they want to, and some like challenges. Variety exists.

1. still ignored the point. 2.

>Variety exists

>This means all products should be watered down the to lowest common denominator

Ok.

>I on the other hand do not get all autistic and uppity and do not care how others play their games.

>Made post >>16798128

>not uppity with using add homonym attacks over talking points

>and do not care how others play their games.

>I play rock paper scissors for fun.png

>Only you seem to care about a slippery slope.

>Slippery slope totally isn't a thing guys (Slides Tokyo Mirage and lists of casualisations between SJ and SJR, entire money crunch point from my last post under couch)

>I can't debate it so I will just say only you care because you are the only other anon in the current thread on this topic and this will totally legitimise my position

Also thanks for not addressing my provided examples to even try and dispute them about the money curve in the game which's only offset is DLC, it even covers your point on it being "optional" later in your current post due to how extreme a grind it expects with the only spot without DLC you can even hope to make that kind of money is right at the end of the game.

Great points you've made so far.

>Calls others wanting an echo chamber

>Also tries to push peoples points as wrong because they're apparently only from "a few others" trying to actively silence opposition without actually refuting or discussing

>"Gotta boost it with those extra autist ad hominems to really make me appear as the smart enlightened one"

I'll say it again, why are you posting here? if you wanted to circle jerk your casualised 3DS game, unironically go to reddit, being negative on a game in it's subreddit will have them down boated and ghosted by the site, sounds more your speed if you don't want to see people clearly having distaste and issue with a product and or changes with said product.

>>16797922

>not edgy enough

>if you liked IV you might find it too easy

What backwards world are you from? Dagda route is actually edgy unlike the rest of the series where your conflicts had a reason to exist, the game so obviously wants you to do Bonds route that Anarchy feels shoved in because half way through he developers thought 'oops we were meant to make an SMT game not a generic shounen, uhhh just let them kill their friends then they'll shut up'

IV's difficulty is laughable past Naraku and IV:A on War or Apocalypse difficulty are far more challenging

>>16798160

>IV's difficulty is laughable past Naraku and IV:A on War or Apocalypse difficulty are far more challenging

Not when you are having to do the neutral route on IV. That laundry list, those two areas with poison, a long labyrinth and a few boss fights can be a bit challenging on its own terms. Also my issue with IV is that it has a lot of issues the story-lines do not feel fleshed out and it kind of is easy to get lost instead of knowing where to go. Apocalypse its more straight forward even if the characters are not the best. It has a lot of QoL improvements that i would want to see in the future of the series.

>IV:A on War or Apocalypse difficulty are far more challenging

Agreed it can be more challenging especially some of the side quests with God-slayer training. That is more fair if anything of a challenge.

>Visit a friend from high school who has been busy in law school and graduating soon

>they decided to pick up mainline SMT games after playing Persona 4 and 5

>never got to play it until now when they are graduating

>Ask them what game

>SMT IV:A

>Mention how its probably one of the worst entries in the main series

>Immediately apologize for being rude

>They laugh it off and told me they found it relieving to hear that as they were playing it and were not having any fun

>Mention how they should pick up SJ for the DS, it should be dirty cheap, has a combat system that isn't a poorly thought out puzzle system like SMT IV:A, and doesn't lock grinding behind DLC.

I'd lend them my copy but only 2 saves and I just picked it up after not playing for years to do my Chaos run.

test

>>16797922

>If you hated IV you will love apocalypse and appreciate all the QOL improvements

Or you'll hate it for being even dumber with more brain dead level design than IV.

IV:A is genuinely garbage. The plot and characters are so bad they are almost worse than Idea factory games. Everything about the game is frustrating, from the dumb ass mechanics to the poorly thought out bosses.

>If someone is struggling they can pay for it, i say why not

Oh you're retarded

>my post got fucking eaten

God damnit.

>Reconnect with high school friend who has been busy in law school

>They decided to jump into mainline SMT games after playing Person 4 and 5

>Ask them which game they got

>They got SMT IV:A

>Mention how its probably the one of the worst mainline entries

>Immediately apologize for being a sprug and being rude

>They laugh it off and mention that they found it relieving hearing that its one of the worst as they were forcing them self to play it even though they hated it

>Mention how they should pick of SJ for the DS as its cheap, has a battle system that trying to be a battle system instead of a puzzle system like IV:A's battle system is tried failed to do, and doesn't have grinding locked behind DLC

>Mention how they could also get SJR if they wanted to but that it has a shoehored in third wheel character and basically relies on the player to have beaten SJ already to understand the new character

>>16798213

>>16798208

>>16798241

I wonder why these posts are starting to sound the same with the DLC argument. Could it be that you have a hateboner for SMT:A that you want to make sure your opinion is the dominant one?

>>16798240

>Or you'll hate it for being even dumber with more brain dead level design than IV.

Not to disrupt you here, but the maps are pretty much the same how can you say they are really much different from each other when its just playing it in reverse in some respects?

>>16798208

>>16798241

HOLY SHIT I'M FUCKING RETRADED

I FOROT I FILTERED POSTS CONTAINING PERSONA

GOD DAMNIT

Sorry for the double post.

>>16798252

>but the maps are pretty much the same

What the fuck are you smoking

Have you even played 4 and 4A?

>>16798252

>I wonder why these posts are starting to sound the same

Its the same post dipshit, check the ID. my dumb ass double posted.

>>16798255

I have played both, there is not really much differences between the two if i am to be honest with you. In 4 you start out in Naraku and head out to Tokyo and in SMT 4A you go from Tokyo to Naraku. The Lucifer stage is not much different as it was in the original and it just feels like a recycled map scheme. I do not know why you assume i did not play both games when they are really not much different map wise. SMT A the faults i would give is there is a lot less monsters in it than IV and the maps do not have much varience until at the very end of the game with a huge complex map scheme and the Egg level. It really does not have much in it to keep interest. Characters are boring unless you like Persona stuff but i would say its mediocre.

>>16798261

>there is not really much differences between the two if i am to be honest with you

Apart from going to areas which you don't even see in SMT4.

How about you actually be honest with me and stop making shit up?

>>16798265

>How about you actually be honest with me and stop making shit up?

You can believe what you want to, but i am just stating my own opinion.

>>16798265

Other than a few new dungeons which are shit and don't stack up to SJ/DDS/Nocturne, most of the maps are reused from IV. I remember feeling tired playing it halfway to the game, not to mention the shitty characters and story not helping matters.

>i am the retard now edition

I recently picked up IV after avoiding it for years. I had dismissed it based on the cover art lacking Kazuma's distinctive designs and none of the media seemed to show anything other than a bland looking setting and talking anime heads. I've only been able to play about and hour after work so far but I was immediately struck by the mismatched demon portraits. They've clearly reused old artwork. It doesnt bother me that much but it feels cheap. The other thing I noticed is how much emphasis there seems to be on the press-turn system. I'd seen a lot mentioned about it but it didn't seem that important with Nocturne being my only experience with it. I don't mean to say it didn't matter in Nocturne but it certainly was more forgiving than IV since I'm likely to get wiped by even lvl 1 beasties if I ignore it that and striking the demons for opening advantage. I've also noticed the UI doesn't feel right. Something about it is off, like it's cluttered at times and parts of it are too small. Almost as if it had been initially developed with a higher res screen in mind.

>>16807960

The beginning is the hardest part, after reaching Tokyo the difficulty will flatline sans one or two bosses. Also the franchise got worse from IV with Redux and Apocalypse being shit.

>>16807960

It's all due to smirk, but also the fact that physical and magic skills now do basically the same damage, but magic can almost always hit weaknesses (ie. use the press turn system) so it's better in every way

>>16797537

Its not that hard to find time to put into handheld games, especially when you are reliant on public transit.

Any day I have to go to work I have about 1.5 hours of bus travel that I can put into a handheld game.

I have a feeling that is part of why Atlus has put the main line series, and really, most of their RPGs on handheld systems starting around 2006/2007.

Though not the only reason, given that was the same time when the PS3 came out which was a nightmare to make games for, as well as the fact 2007 was also when the great recession kicked in.

Like year by year, games published by Atlus, minus the games that are not RPG/Strategy games. Assuming I don't get any of the genre's wrong as I can't even find videos of some of these, or miss any games

2006

>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army

>Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis

>Persona 3

>Growlanser: Heritage of War

>Kuryū Yōma Gakuenki Recharge

<Megami Ibunroku Persona: Isora no Tower

<Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner A's Test Server

2007

<Growlanser Alternative

<Etrian Odyssey

<Suteradeusu Renkinjutsu no Jikan ?

<Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner A's Test Server Kazenban

>Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine

<Shin Megami Tensei Tokyo Chinkonka

>Persona 3 FES

>Odin Sphere

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Coliseum 20XX

>Growlanser VI: Precarious World

<Majin Tensei Blind Thinker

<Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers Intruders

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible

<Persona 2: Tsumi Lost Memories

<Aegis: The First Mission

<Persona 3em

2008

>Pandora Saga

<Etrian Odyssey II: Heroes of Lagaard

>Persona 4

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible II

<Knights in the Nightmare

>Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Maniax Chronicle Edition

>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon

2009

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor

<Persona Mobile Online

<Shin Megami Tensei: Persona

<Growlanser I

<Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

<Persona 3 Portable

2010

<Etrian Odyssey III: The Drowned City

<Knights in the Nightmare

<Tokyo Mono Hara Shi: Karasu no Mori Gakuen Kitan

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible III

<Radiant Historia

2011

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Hunter Zero

>Catherine not really an RPG

<Persona 2: Innocent Sin

?Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children

<Growlanser: Wayfarer of Time

<Nora to Toki no Kōbō: Kiri no Mori no Majo

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked

>Inazuma Eleven GO Battle Stadium Arcade?

<Inazuma Eleven GO Battle Stadium 3DS?

2012

<Shin Megami Tensei

<Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

>Persona 4: The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena Arcade

<Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

<Persona 4 Golden

<Etrian Odyssey IV

>Persona 4: Arena Console

<Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers

2013

<Shin Megami Tensei IV

<Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl

>Dragon's Crown console

<Dragon's Crown Vita

>Persona 4: The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold Arcade

2014

<Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth

>Persona 4 Arena Ultimax Console

<Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold: The Fafnir Knight

2015

<Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker

<Etrian Mystery Dungeon

<Persona 4: Dancing All Night

>Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE

2016

>Odin Sphere Leifthrasir PS3

>Odin Sphere Leifthrasir PS4

<Odin Sphere Leifthrasir Vita

<Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse

<Etrian Odyssey V

>Persona 5 PS3

>Persona 5 PS4

2017

<Radiant Historia: Perfect Chronology

<Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2

<Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey Redux

2018

>Dragon's Crown Pro

>Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight PS4

<Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight Vita

>Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight PS4

<Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight Vita

<Etrian Odyssey Nexus

<Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth

2019

>Catherine PC

>Catherine: Full Body PS4

<Catherine: Full Body Vita

>Persona 5 Royal

2020

<Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE Encore

Upcomming

<Persona 5 Scramble Switch

>Persona 5 Scramble PS4

<Shin Megami Tensei V

>>16808648

>Apparently Kaneko was a Spawn fan in the 90s.

Yeah, i think Zaou Gongen's and Ippon-Datara's designs were influenced by Spawn.

>>16810402

oh shit i can see it

no wonder i found zaou design so familiar

i cant see shit for ippon though

>>16797537

Its not that hard to find time to put into handheld games, especially when you are reliant on public transit.

Any day I have to go to work I have about 1.5 hours of bus travel that I can put into a handheld game.

I have a feeling that is part of why Atlus has put the main line series, and really, most of their RPGs on handheld systems starting around 2006/2007.

Though not the only reason, given that was the same time when the PS3 came out which was a nightmare to make games for, as well as the fact 2007 was also when the great recession kicked in.

Like year by year, games published by Atlus, minus the games that are not RPG/Strategy games. Assuming I don't get any of the genre's wrong as I can't even find videos of some of these, or miss any games

2006

>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army

>Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis

>Persona 3

>Growlanser: Heritage of War

>Kuryū Yōma Gakuenki Recharge

<Megami Ibunroku Persona: Isora no Tower

<Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner A's Test Server

2007

<Growlanser Alternative

<Etrian Odyssey

<Suteradeusu Renkinjutsu no Jikan ?

<Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner A's Test Server Kazenban

>Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine

<Shin Megami Tensei Tokyo Chinkonka

>Persona 3 FES

>Odin Sphere

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Coliseum 20XX

>Growlanser VI: Precarious World

<Majin Tensei Blind Thinker

<Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers Intruders

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible

<Persona 2: Tsumi Lost Memories

<Aegis: The First Mission

<Persona 3em

2008

>Pandora Saga

<Etrian Odyssey II: Heroes of Lagaard

>Persona 4

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible II

<Knights in the Nightmare

>Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Maniax Chronicle Edition

>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon

2009

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor

<Persona Mobile Online

<Shin Megami Tensei: Persona

<Growlanser I

<Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

<Persona 3 Portable

2010

<Etrian Odyssey III: The Drowned City

<Knights in the Nightmare

<Tokyo Mono Hara Shi: Karasu no Mori Gakuen Kitan

<Megami Tensei Gaiden: New Last Bible III

<Radiant Historia

2011

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Hunter Zero

>Catherine not really an RPG

<Persona 2: Innocent Sin

?Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children

<Growlanser: Wayfarer of Time

<Nora to Toki no Kōbō: Kiri no Mori no Majo

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2

<Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked

>Inazuma Eleven GO Battle Stadium Arcade?

<Inazuma Eleven GO Battle Stadium 3DS?

2012

<Shin Megami Tensei

<Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

>Persona 4: The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena Arcade

<Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

<Persona 4 Golden

<Etrian Odyssey IV

>Persona 4: Arena Console

<Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers

2013

<Shin Megami Tensei IV

<Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl

>Dragon's Crown console

<Dragon's Crown Vita

>Persona 4: The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold Arcade

2014

<Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth

>Persona 4 Arena Ultimax Console

<Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold: The Fafnir Knight

2015

<Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker

<Etrian Mystery Dungeon

<Persona 4: Dancing All Night

>Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE

2016

>Odin Sphere Leifthrasir PS3

>Odin Sphere Leifthrasir PS4

<Odin Sphere Leifthrasir Vita

<Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse

<Etrian Odyssey V

>Persona 5 PS3

>Persona 5 PS4

2017

<Radiant Historia: Perfect Chronology

<Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2

<Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey Redux

2018

>Dragon's Crown Pro

>Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight PS4

<Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight Vita

>Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight PS4

<Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight Vita

<Etrian Odyssey Nexus

<Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth

2019

>Catherine PC

>Catherine: Full Body PS4

<Catherine: Full Body Vita

>Persona 5 Royal

2020

<Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE Encore

Upcomming

<Persona 5 Scramble Switch

>Persona 5 Scramble PS4

<Shin Megami Tensei V

>>16810380

>>16810503

Fucking Christ god damn server issues.

>>16808648

I cannot concieve or fathom why anyone would be a spawn fan

>>16810855

good art? it aint the story i know that much

In semi-related news, TMS bombed again

>>16815951

If you can call a game cucked then TMS #FE is it. What a horrible shitshow from nu-Atlus and Nintendo.

>>16815918

what did it even add over the original version?

>>16815951

There were enough shit eaters that bought it the first time for it to get a port, I was thinking that they would still buy it plus switch owners desperate for new games/RPGs would make it sell a little better than before but it's actually done worse in the same time

>>16815993

At least they didn't add a Mary Sue like other re-releases. That has to count for something right?

>>16815997

>At least they didn't add a Mary Sue like other re-releases.

Not a re-release but you have two Mary Sues in the game already and one of them still has to be always in your party. And yes, I know what I said.

>>16815918

>In semi-related news, TMS bombed again

Not that I don't believe you, but source? I would've thought the soyboys who the Switch attracts would've bought it to spite people complaining about censorship.

>>16816028

>Not that I don't believe you, but source? I would've thought the soyboys who the Switch attracts would've bought it to spite people complaining about censorship.

Switch owners, at least on the site I frequent most Nintendo Life are usually the ones calling out this bullshit. The comments in articles and reviews are about 50/50 pearl-clutching SJWs and shitposting from people fed up with the PC bullshit. And given what we know about SJWs being a vocal minority that threaten people into silence with doxxing and getting them fired for stating unverified opinions, I'd say the true numbers put the SJWs well into the minority.

And they don't buy games anyway, that much is clear, or the fanservice games wouldn't be the best selling games in the series while the censored ones sell like shit.

>>16816028

http://archive.today/uSAUg

before I started playing Nocturne, why is it everyone immediately says to go for the true memeon ending, when I want to do the typical thing of go in blind and see where you end up. what's so special about it?

>>16816099

Nocturne's final boss is pretty weak, but TDE adds a new one that's a proper fight.

>>16816099

TBH doing TDE first time is fucked because the only way to fight the TDE last boss that doesn't take an hour is to get a set up that makes your MCs damage become stupidly high with a skill that negates damage resistance, it's not hard just tedious if you fight it any other way.

Just play the game how you want the first time and if it really clicks to you, have fun playing NG+ in first person mode and work to get the TDE that time.

>>16816956

That skill is unobtainable until you're already locked in to TDE, at which point they make it pretty explicit that it's going to be useful for you

>>16817021

>>16817612

And the skill you pair with it to do damage to make the boss fight not last an eternity for dealing 5000-7000 damage with focus boosts requires you be level 80 about 25 more levels then just naturally going through the game should reasonably give you at most.

It's not that big a worthwhile boss and takes away from actually seeing what ending your answers would give you, TDE.

Also without a lot of fusing or playing a JP only re release you're the only viable unit for dealing damage to the TDE final boss, lot of boring hoops to add to your first playthrough when you can just play the game originally intended with the piles of other new content and QOL stuff and ignore the one dragged out part at the end they included.

my favorite SMT game is persona 5

>>16817962

You can skip a couple optional bosses and end up at 53 in a LL run, though I think minimum TDE is 55, though I'd have to check.

>>16817962

57 isn't the minimum, in that run you're referencing he does go for TDE which adds the fiends (9 additional optional boss fights with boss fight sized exp), the 4th and 5th kalpas bosses and goes to fight all of the extra bosses which offer magatamas for fighting which is another 6ish bosses.

My estimate wasn't based on going for TDE ending, it was just playing through the game without looking for.

>Pierce works with any physical skill, not just Freikugel