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>>16673004

That's like, your opinion man.

I want to help people get into the game so there are more people to talk about GD with.

>>16673004

ARPGs are designed to be gear treadmills from start to finish though. Why would you bother to play games for the plot?

Realistically, there's a few different playstyles, melee, ranged, caster, summon, and about 6-8 major damage types and like 4 secondary damage types, plus a number of damage/t variants. So you have a fair variety on how you build your character, depending on how autistic you are

>>16673025

Oh I had forgotten about that.

Well, monster groups are still generated randomly, and certain objects like bounty targets, chests, and bosses are randomized as well. So you can still memorize different routes and locations, but they'll vary game-to-game. In addition, even though you have a large map, different passages will be randomized as well, so you might be able to snake through a cavern one way, but then have to take a different route next game. It works, even though the map is static.

>>16673025

>Dude it doesn't even have random generation like Diablo 1 or 2.

Well no ones saying this is better than Diablo 2 and to be fair how many ARPGs out there actually have random generation?

>>16673148

I've also played D2 to death to the point where I can easily identify map tile groups and even know whether to go clockwork or anticlockwise on Durance 2

>>16673160

Durance is easy, especially when you have an enigma. Now for some reason I can never remember the fucking catacombs.

Although that could probably be a result of me favouring Mephisto runs over Andariel runs.

I have no idea how to utilize Harra set. Its just not works with any build i try.

>>16673613

I thought chain conversion doesn't work? It seems like it wants you to be NB and take advantage of Phantasmal Blade, doing pierce->vit, and then vit->cold

Also, asking again in case anyone knows:

What flags a town as being the one you spawn in? I've tried using riftgates, interacting with merchants, seemingly everything, but I'll always seem to respawn in Devil's Crossing. Then, I'll visit some other random town, buy some shit, and then it will be my active town, and I can never figure out how to change it to the one I want

>>16674244

Skill and item conversions are different. Same type conversions will not work (not that it's possible to have 2 skill type conversions). But you can have skill turn the type into something, and then the gear turn something into something else. That's how I envisioned it working.

Also rate my faggotry please:

https://grimtools.com/calc/mN4Y4QB2

Planned as a cold in yo face weapon damage caster relying on empowered veil of shadow turning enemies into meek faggots, then blasting them with cold damage. Doesn't actually work properly until around 75 when you get the no-CD attack, although honestly once you get the hourglass it should work just fine and frankly until 75 you can manage the cooldowns without issues, passive damage from spectral wrath and night's chill kills everything whose name is yellow or white.

Good overall defensive stats, considering 32/32 masteries, barely got capped resistances. Not enough health, but good panic buttons and passives in both classes to facilitate survival.

>>16676146

>supermaxed Shadow Dance, Justifiable Ends and Blade Barrier

>11 points in Pnuema Burst for 10% heal and 6% speed

>capped Shadow Strike but no Nightfall

>Soul Harvest over Lethal Assault when you could easily have both, or even max both

>five crit procs but 2.3k OA

Please explain.

>>16673000

More like Grim Yawn, I blazed through that shit as a summoner.

>>16676283

>11 points in Pnuema Burst for 10% heal and 6% speed

Valid criticism, maxed skills before getting items.

>supermaxed Shadow Dance

What's the problem? DA scaling is linear, and dodge chance has increasing returns. Only a problem if you are lacking points very hard.

>Justifiable Ends

Point taken, one point should be enough.

>Blade Barrier

Valid, changed smax to max.

>Soul Harvest over Lethal Assault when you could easily have both, or even max both

Don't like the skill, also don't want to have a rotation, this is not a MMO.

>capped Shadow Strike but no Nightfall

Point taken.

>five crit procs but 2.3k OA

Wut? There's only Blizzard, and I only took it because why not, the devotion is there, and has good stats. Probably should put it on something multihitting that crits eventually, but honestly I do not care about it at all.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0BRWoN

Any better?

>>16676283

Ah, I get you my man, you mean item procs. Since item options for this setup are lacking a lot, I've taken anything that did not look like shit, and procs were the last thing to pay attention to (although CotWK looks absolutely amazing for this build). When it will come to actually playing it, I might take something else instead, probably even green.

>>16676550

Can you elaborate? Do skeletons actually take off later? They always seemed weak and ploddy

>>16677221

Pet builds in general can be very OP, but skeletons are the weakest of them. They're really underpowered currently.

>>16677229

I haven't really tried out pet builds yet, since it always seemed like a class with get one, maybe two summon types, and they always struck me as fragile. Maybe I'll give it a go then

>>16677244

Pets are immensely overpowered in the early game. Once you start getting into elite and beyond you have to start worrying about their resistances some. Particularly poison and aether tends to have ground effects that slaughter pets. Skeletons have so little health it's probably not as worth it to stack resistances for them.

>>16677244

Pet builds are fun. I like going Necromancer\Occultist and let my pets do the killing while I just give healing and support to them, the goddamn Pox is fucking hilarious and I can't wait for Ravenous Earth to start exploding corpses.

I also have a question regarding Dual Wield vs Two Handed.

I was making an Inquisitor\Demolition character to go full akimbo style. However, some of the skill augments I've seen require Two Handed and that got me trying and thinking about the whole build.

I'd guess that Dual Wield would be a better option for the extra procs that Inquisitor gets in some of those attacks and maybe Fire Strike, but I'm not aware of how much better this is.

Do I get a chance to activate those things for every attack and thus double the chances with Dual Wield, each gun attack able to proc it?

Does Fire Strike apply to both weapon attacks and thus ends up giving me double the extra damage? What about the times where I fire both guns at the same time?

I've already searched a bit and it seems that DW is the way to go for procs while 2H is best for raw damage, but I'm not sure exactly how good it is for that.

>>16678641

I imagine that dualwielding would be good with procs, being that you're making twice as many attacks with it. Or rather, that's the benefit you get, whereas with a sword+board, you get more tanky

>>16676146

You can only convert damage once, regardless of if it is a skill or item. The conversion is always raw damage type (without %bonuses) converted to first order damage type which then receives the appropriate %bonus for that damage type.

>>16676146

To clear up the explanation a little: consider the Cadence skill.

Cadence has a modifier that adds 42 flat elemental damage and converts all physical damage from the skill into elemental damage. Say you wanted to run an elemental damage to chaos damage conversion and you have this on your gear at a 100% elemental damage to chaos damage conversion.

The first order conversion is the skill modifier, which excludes the gear conversion of acting on the now elemental damage that Cadence deals. This results in Cadence dealing primarily elemental damage, as the only elemental that would be converted would be the flat elemental damage from the modifier and whatever elemental damage existed on the weapon.

The game, by design, only allows single-step damage conversion. It does not penalize you for over-conversion on skills however, notably fire-conversion Forcewave allows you to convert physical to fire at 200% with the right selection of gear.

>>16679028

I don't like "elemental" damage. I'd rather focus on one or two of the damage types it includes

>>16676698

By the way, i liked the passive damage on both necro and nb so much, i went to Crucible with it and can pretty much effortlessly go up to 80 Aspirant being on level 25 (last time died on 88 on some oneshotting crap). Good shit. Cooldowns do matter though, but you got so many of them you hardly notice (I got bone harvest, shadow strike, ring of steel and sacred strike, and you can just walk around, and everything just suicides on night's chill, spectral wrath and ice surge from glacier). 5k crits on level 25, fuck yeah.

Would you guys happen to know of a place or method to farm for those FG glyph blueprints? I've been looking for one that does acid/chaos/vitality damage but I've only found ones that do cold/pierce/physical so far.

>>16678641

Yep, Fire Strike and any other skills that give you flat damage will apply the bonus to both weapons if dual wielding. 2h is better served by any skill that takes their weapon damage into account.

>>16681201

You get the good ones from SR runs, specifically the chests in the middle. The weaker ones drop randomly.

https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12079 is acid/vitality but Dreeg's Vector is probably better anyway just because it's a teleport.

>>16681283

>chaos strike is a glyph skill now

So that's what where it went. I remember wondering why my riftstone component granted me a different skill when FG launched.

>>16681304

How many shards should I do to get those?

>>16681356

I don't remember but the chests are pretty standard since the reason they're there is to drop FG materials and blueprints. You get something like 90% of the max reward by going three shards past a waypoint (ie start at 40, end at 42-4) so you can get stuff fairly rapidly once you've found a comfortable point.

>>16680019

I am just using it as a broad reference to damage type conversion. Even still, the modifier is a poor choice for single element damage because "Elemental" damage is an even split: 60 elemental damage is 20 fire/lightning/cold damage. So you are still better off searching for a physical to element conversion instead of using the modifier. All element damage is pretty niche for most combo builds.

>>16682169

>devs focus on QoL changes from the community

What fucking year is this

What's the trick to weapon-based builds? Every time I build one, it feels like it can't kill multiple enemies and falls flat

>>16683245

What do you mean weapon based builds. like cadence or like any non-caster build

>>16683593

Yeah, non-caster. I always find myself making caster builds in ARPGs because damage from them is based on dumping points into a skill, and you usually get a stronger immediate return, not to mention projectiles etc give a lot more AOE and stuff. Whereas stuff like Cadence or charge up / default weapon replacers seem to just improve damage on one target.

But if you're in melee, you're going to get bullied a lot, so you have to build tanky too, and if you fall behind on weapon itemization, your damage is shit too, etc etc.

>>16683656

There's a ton of really good melee AoE in GD though, Spin if you have FG is really good and it's based on weapon damage. Blade Burst for Nightblades is good, primal strike for Shaman is good, Storm Spread is good AoE for inquisitor if you use guns, Bone Harvest for necro, lots of decent AoE options for weapon people.

>>16683245

>>16683656

>if you fall behind on weapon itemization, your damage is shit too, etc etc.

Weapon builds are obviously more reliant on your weapon to deal damage which is both a curse and a blessing. Getting good rolls on a weapon or just a generally very strong weapon fit for your build whilst lvling can lead to a massive boost in damage whilst casters don't get as much of a benefit even from a BiS weapon.

>Whereas stuff like Cadence or charge up / default weapon replacers seem to just improve damage on one target

Don't forget that you're also getting attack procs both from passive skills like Storm Burst and that you can also tie multiple proc devotions to a single attack by attaching them to said passives, which caster builds can not.

>But if you're in melee, you're going to get bullied a lot, so you have to build tanky too

True but later in the game pretty much everyone has to get decently tanky and melee builds tend to have an easier time (melee classes like Soldier and Oathkeeper have very good health & physique gains + strong defensive skills).

>>16683678

Must have forgotten to update the magnet, new one can be found in the source I linked or below:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:EAD4F9CDDDAFE89B3C0F686D44FF28D6103326F0

>>16683724

>Don't forget that you're also getting attack procs both from passive skills like Storm Burst and that you can also tie multiple proc devotions to a single attack by attaching them to said passives, which caster builds can not.

Oh I didn't realize this.

Sorry, who's skill is Storm Burst? I can't seem to find it. Is it one of those X% proc chance upgrades to a skill?

>>16683729

My bad, meant Storm Spread, the Inquisitor gun proc passive.

But yeah your AoE potential massively increases as you get more passives, especially when you consider that the AoE (even if small) increases the chance to proc. If you hit 4 enemies with Cadence and have a single 25% chance to proc skill, it's almost guaranteed to proc.

% to activate on hit passives such as Storm Spread or Soldier's Zolhan's Technique are also weighted against a table of 100. Meaning that when you reach 100% or more in weapon proc chance (say you have 4 different 25% ones) normal 'non-proc' attacks are completely taken off the table and it's not just a statistical probability to proc something, it's guaranteed.

I think it looks something like this:

<2x 25% chance to proc

>Game rolls 1/2 if proc or regular attack

>Lands on proc, now rolls 1/2 to decide which one (a single attack can only proc one at a time)

<4x 25% chance to proc

>regular attack has been completely taken off the table, go directly to 1/4 roll to decide which passive activates

At least that's how I understand the system working.

In short, weapon based skills tend to start with lower AoE capabilities but have high potential to evolve, spells tend to be more static and if they have an AoE component they'll have it at the start (or through a direct skill upgrade) but will not improve much after that.

>>16683791

>(a single attack can only proc one at a time)

Oh and obviously this only applies to passives from the skill tree.

Passives from the skill tree themselves can proc both constellation and item 'on-hit effects' and if a skill (say, Cadence) decides to proc Zolhan's Technique but you also have Bat tied to Cadence, both can proc at the same time. But Zolhan's Technique and Markovian Advantage could not.

The disadvantage of tying a constellation proc to a skill tree passive proc is that you severely dilute its proc chance. 25% chance to hit on Zolhan's Technique means average proc every 4 hits. Tie a 25% chance devotion to that and you need to on average proc Zolhan's Technique 4 times to proc the devotion, meaning it will proc every ~16th hit.

>>16683656

Melee weapon users also rarely have to kite, so aside from weapon proc skills and devotion skills, there's nothing stopping you from standing in your Devastation cast and aggroing enemies or having your Mortar Trap fire directly at enemies you're facetanking.

>>16673020

>>16673011

>>16673043

>>16673148

Mark destroys another thread with over zealous pruning.

>>16683801

On the topic of default attack replacers, Cadence works best when it isn't overloaded with WPS skills. It's better to have 3 WPS skills (from skill tree) instead of less or more as the cadence skill takes up a slot for WPS when it goes off every 3rd attack. % chance on attack skills from gear can trigger off of any damage attack if it fits the skill triggering requirements.

Savagery, fire strike, and righteous fervor don't replace a slot in the WPS so you can use more than 3 WPS skills for those if you wanted to. People playing a blademaster should be careful to only select 3 WPS skills when using cadence as their main attack. I like markovian's advantage, belgothian's shears, and execution for a physical damage blademaster.

>>16684633

>cadence skill takes up a slot for WPS when it goes off every 3rd attack

Huh, didn't know that.

>I like markovian's advantage

Markovian Advantage has a longer animation than a regular attack and other chance on hit procs which often results in lower dps, more noticeable the higher attack speed you have.

>>16684633

>It's better to have 3 WPS skills (from skill tree) instead of less or more as the cadence skill takes up a slot for WPS when it goes off every 3rd attack

Shouldn't it be 2 WPS skills? Because then it'd be A, then B, then Cadence? Or am I misunderstanding something

>>16689260

The Cadence string works by X-X-C-X-X-C, where X is your default autoattack and C is a cadence hit. WPS can only trigger on the X hits and will not trigger on a C hit (like how WPS will not trigger on a 0s cooldown skill like Primal Strike)

Maybe what >>16684633 was trying to say was to not invest too many points into WPS when using Cadence because of the cadence hit not being able to trigger WPS.

So any new crazy Oathkeeper builds you guys been doing? been off and on with Grim Dawn because new games keep coming out and gonna do short burst runs in between EDF5 and Dragon Quest Builders 2.

So what's a quick and dirty Blademaster / Cadence build look like?

I just hit 30 and I feel very fucking squishy. My points are pretty much only in Soldier right now, and I can't find any weapon pair that comes close to 2h dps

>>16691076

Try to utilize 2-hand build with pierce.

Am I mistaken? There don't seem to be any items that convert to/from aether damage

>>16695881

Disregard that, I fucked up the item filters on grim tools

Finally grabbed this during the summer sale, enjoying it so far. Didn't even reach lv40 with any character yet, but already made 3 alts. Theorycrafting is the funnest part.

So far I got a EoR Warlord (Sword and Board, but might go 2H eventually, haven't decided yet), DW Cold Infiltrator, shield throwing Acid Sentinel and a Lightning caster Vindicator.

Not sure about that last one yet, I feel like I'm just constantly spamming wind devil.

>>16696850

Didn't you make this exact post last thread?

>>16696985

Literally never been here. Now I'm gonna check the last thread though lmao.

>>16697002

Your post seemed familiar to me, though I read it just after experiencing deja vu in another thread

>>16697013

"got it in the summer sale"-posts have probably been pretty common, so I understand completely.

Was thinking of doing a dual wield gun Soldier/Inquisitor, and focusing on fast gun attacks.

Cadence says it does 420% weapon damage; if I get the mutator, how does that interact with the phys->elem conversion? It does 4x my weapon damage, then converts it to elemental?

Bump

>>16702852

It converts all physical damage done by the cadence proc into elemental damage. The specific sets that take advantage of soldier/inquisitor most likely their own conversions. That modifier is not recommended to be taken unless you really know what you are doing and how the game systems work.

>>16717484

https://grimdawn.gamepedia.com/Game_Mechanics

Ah, this page is a good resource

1.1.4.0 is out

>Deferred Rendering

>Update to Game Difficulty

>Auto-Loot for Components, Consumables and Crafting Materials

>Partial Components that are looted are now automatically merged

>Monster Health Bars

>Crafting UI now has a Search Bar

>Search Bar within the Stash

>You can now select which Crucible map you wish to play

>All Component Blueprints now generate Complete Components, rather than Partial Components

>hundreds of other additions, changes, fixes, and tweaks

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-version-1-1-4-0/86026

>>16726466

>All Component Blueprints now generate Complete Components, rather than Partial Component

That's handy, did they tweak the craft costs?

>>16726480

>Required materials updated accordingly.

Yes, according to the changelog. I'm not sure how they tweaked them yet because grimtools hasn't updated.

Is the demo grenades tied to casting speed or something.

would like to be able to at least throw faster. whether its the nade velocity or the player throwing anything helps.

>>16726480

>>16726593

Grimtools has now updated. It looks like they just multiplied the ingredients by the number of partials you had to craft to get a whole component.

>>16727240

You need cooldown reduction to throw more grenados per minute.

>>16727240

>>16733308

The animation is tied to casting speed but like the other anon mentioned, CDR will help you the most.

Bump

Oh yeah, to actually contribute

How about that balance patch? 3 of us were shitposting through normal, but then the 1.1.4 patch hit and we're getting our asses kicked on the void up towards Malmouth

Is Grim Dawn better than PoE?

>>16747106

The only appeal I could see of PoE over GD is if you really love the ladder rushes, resets and world chat.

In my opinion GD does everything else better and I don't care much for the online features in PoE.

Though an ingame chat might be fun, even if it would most likely be cancerous as fuck. The devs could do something like that rogue-like ToME where they just incorporate an IRC chat into the game in order to avoid always online or big server costs.

>>16747132

I kinda like PoE's map system. I mean it's grindy but at least it gives you the illusion of something to do.

Crucible and SR just feel like generic wave combat, otherwise you can just farm the same static campaign maps endlessly

>>16749194

I mean, I'd like maps if they didn't scale so poorly and have the annoying amount of RNG to even sustain running them.

>having fun

>get to literally any boss

>teehee insta kill :)

god I fucking boss fights where you're easily one shot

>>16751565

>you're dodging my attacks properly?

>here's some aoe emitters around the arena

>>16751593

It's the fucking egypt guy boss, one of the earlier ones.

>hi I like to spam 200 billion lightcunts on you

>hi I also like to have 5 little pylon things that spew out lightning bolts which freeze you

>did I mention my attacks also stunlock you as well

The fight wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so autisitically bullet hell-ish, the movement in these games are so awkward so why they thought that would be a good idea is beyond me. I have yet to actually find a boss in this game that I can think is actually fun. They're all just boring sponges.