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>>16654274

There was two, but last I heard some sort of drama happened and one of them died. NWO is still around I think, forgot which server.

>Gaia Online 2.0

Eat glass

>>16654138

>>DPS and Tank queues were the exact same wait times because healers suck to play now and everyone abandoned ship

the scholar & ast changes killed a lot of my enthusiasm for the game tbqh hopefully gunbreaker will be kind of fun maybe

Scholar sucks to play now but we all understand that this is because summoner was really fucking good and they want to move people on the new dlc. All fucking mmos do this shit. New dlc, nerf old stuff and buff new stuff for awhile to move people around, then balance things out over a few patches until the next dlc fucks everyone in the butt and they do it all over again.

>>16654274

Most of us are on Exodus.

>>16654293

As an AST main, I'm not thrilled about it, but hey, I haven't waited more than 5 seconds for a queue so far. They removed Protect, but then turned all my CDs and new skills into heals; I also feel like I'm doing more damage than before, but having to do more healing than before. It's still 'engaging' but it's just spell rotations, not cool card games. I'd call AST an A+ for fun beforehand, now it's like a solid B.

>>16654292

More like, Furcadia 2.0

>>16654302

I'm on Balmung , how bad is exodus compared to my shitty server?

>>16654138

>retards wondered in

There is nothing wrong with criticizing a game. Especially on a thread for said game. If you dont like people discussing the game then whats the point of these threads?

ShB is awful, how do you fuck up tank and healers so badly. They're just awful to play now, boring, easy, and homogenized to fuck and back. Honestly this is Cataclysm but for FFXIV

>healers suck to play now

Used to play WHM a long time ago. How did they ruin the healing?

>>16654274

Main NA ones are on Exodus and Lamia. Each is better than the other, the other being full of fags and trannies.

Lamia has better market prices.

>>16654667

They took all the good stuff and made it bad.

>>16654667

WHM isn't as bad as the others, but DPS kits got gutted and now you get to focus on healing. WHM got to keep holy with its stun and has crazy healing output. They can spend flowers and blood flowers on a strong heal/dps spell. SCH fairies are now both the same with the removal of the Selene abilities. AST cards are now all +dps buff with a slight card variation on each one.

How are the bara cats?

>>16654716

Their barbed penises are ready to rip your asshole up, just say the word.

>>16654717

Oh you forgot the best part, the only reason SCH players are saying they need to heal more now is that the fairy heal got nerfed really hard

>>16654724

>the fairy heal got nerfed really hard

FFS. That was what made SCH fun to play. Being able to DPS more while the fairy had your back.

>>16654726

Don't worry you only have 2 dps buttons as SCH now anyways

>>16654726

All healers got their dps potential toned down to be fair, but SCH got hit the hardest. The top healer seems to be WHM because they have top deeps and heals, but they're still brain dead to play.

>>16654743

Shit being braindead is the main issue this expac, every class got made more streamlined with less choice. They got bigger numbers sure, but they're much less enjoyable to play unless you touch yourself to your dps logs in which case just play fucking maple story at that point where dps is in the trillions

>>16654743

I still can't believe SCH got hit so hard. Jesus. At least give me my bio/miasma/bane spam back AND fucking throw this new AOE skill back into the trash where it belongs.

>>16654951

art of war is literally miasma II that ticks once for each time you cast it, except it has no use in raids to weave your ogcd. Now ruin II is 200 pot and thats too far from what broil was

>>16654757

Some of the DPS roles got harder to play correctly. Even RDM

>>16654951

YP said some changes might be reverted if feedback is negative enough. Which unfortunately might not happen because all the wowfugees love the healing changes. They no longer have to think, just stay out of bad circle, make good circle, press heal button to make good bar go up!

>>16655001

Hopefully the backlash is louder than the praise and we might see some classes reverted like MNK

>consider playing this game

>love healing

>read this thread

>bullet dodged

>>16655039

At least it's not WoW healing where fun goes to die

>>16654138

I bit the bullet, my game is downloading. Which race are the niggers of this game? So that I may steer far away from them and the people who play them

>>16654990

Not really? Most lost all raid utility so you don't really have to keep track of anything, your basic rotation got "harder" but any actual skill that isn't just hitting the buttons and minimizing downtime got completely removed

>>16655139

Lalafel are basically tiny jews, most users from here are on Exodus.

Wish I could play with you niggas but my characters are in Coeurl and only Malboro is accepting new characters right now it seems.

>>16655139

Aura, Rogdaeyn, and Miquote are confirmed niggers

>>16654990

>>16655001

>>16655037

I swear what the fuck is this "streamline the classes" meme 4.X was in a good place as fara s buttons for most classes even though some could use a touch up, pruning too many buttons is one of the big reasons why WoW became unplayable for me and many others.

>>16655157

Many DPS roles lost QoL skills and additional combos so managing buffs is now more skill intensive. MNK got fucked and now it's harder to gain more GL if you use them for TK. The only truly dumbed down job is MCH, easiest DPS role in the game now.

>>16655239

Unlike WoW the pruning wasn't a straight loss. Many jobs got new spells/abilities in return. Except for healers

>>16655203

Eh, as long as you get a character on the same data center it doesn't matter what server it's on anymore. I know it's not the same as Exodus, but if you get on primal at all you can server visit and it'll make no difference really.

>>16655263

and tanks

>>16655261

>many dps jobs got made worse to play, which means they're "harder"

In much the same way that not being able to use a button makes the game harder

>>16655270

>In much the same way that not being able to use a button makes the game harder

Do not purposefully misrepresent my claims. If you take away the ez mode fill resource button, require the job to manage and regain the buff, you have in fact made the job harder. Especially since most of the damage output is now tied even more on to the buffs/resources.

>>16655301

Yeah take away the easy resource gain, the raid utility, any differences in combo you have depending on phase, and… actually you know what fuck it just make all classes simple rotation machines as opposed to having any thought process at all involved, look at dancer!

>>16654274

English speakers in Asia/Oceania are in Tonberry JP server.

>>16655039

you really missed out. i generally loathe healing in MMOs and AST was really, genuinely special. i haven't played since about two months before shadowniggers dropped i think I'm going to resub on payday, I really want to try Gunbreaker so i don't know how badly they fucked AST, but based on what I'm seeing here it's pretty bad

>>16654138

>HW WoD's get their shit pushed in by the WoL

>decide to team up with Minfilia and head home

>they kill the darkness

>oops the flood happens

>100years pass on the First, the WoL finally shows up

>some of the sin eaters are the creatures you see in Ampador

>void demons are from the World of Darkness, which is the remainder of the 13th after falling to the dark

>Ampador Keep and City of Mhach were summoning shit thousands of years ago

So where the fuck did those creatures come from, if the first had not been corrupted yet and depending on the timeline, the 13th may or may not have been destroyed back then?

>>16655362

I mean knowing the writing, we'll either find out instantly in the patch MSQs or 2 expansions from now

>>16655366

it's likely a loose end they probably don't even realize exists. I do find it interesting though that they went with the route of sending Minfilia back with them and the WoD's returning to the light actually resulted in BAD END for the First.

>>16655362

Hydaelyn is a primal

WoL is a primal

The entire XIV universe was wished in to existence by Mewt

>>16655373

Hydaelen being a primal was already spoiled in one the teaser trailers. It's not surprising seeing as how we were immune to being tempered in ARR, which I always assumed was because Hydaelen tempered us with her 'blessing.' I believe somewhere in ARR it was either hinted or outright stated that once tempered, another Primal can't re-temper the individual

>>16655382

It was stated right after ifrit the first time.

>>16655382

Hydaelens tempering of the WoL was most likely a protection so we could engage in combat with other primals, I doubt the WoL is being controlled

>>16655390

No he was being controlled until HW where it got removed from you by one of the dragons

Cleared both extremes, wtf to do now? Why is this game so shit

>>16655408

It wasn't removed though, It was sealed at the end of ARR and you have to unlock it little by little in HW to prove your worth to Midgardsormr.

So how does one get a house now? this feels like a lottery on non dead servers

>>16655362

>>they kill the darkness

They already did that before becoming WoD, then when they did it the light flood started which is what made them into the Warriors of darkness in the first place.

>>16655845

The game states that the flood started upon killing the last big boss of darkness that was left on the First and moved quickly across the planet until Minfilia saved Novrandt. If they killed the guy, the flood started, then came to the Source, fought, then returned, so much time would have passed on the First that I'm assuming the Flood would have already completely destroyed everything. The ghost WoD also mentions he's been wandering since the flood happened which leads me to believe that the Flood started when he returned with Minfilia seeing as how it's been 100years and his story doesn't account for lost time while at the Source

>>16655967

They did neatly sidestep this question early on, by saying time passes differently on the First. Essentially, it moves at the speed of plot.

How do you play tank now? Do you just grab a whole bunch of mobs and spam aoes like before?

It’s difficult when certain mobs hit like a truck.

>>16655422

>what to do now

Level other jobs. Farm gear to max your ilvl on your main job. Do crafting/gathering. Farm birbs/doggos that you don't already have. Crank out FATE's in the new areas to get your local region rank up. Run around as a healer in newbie areas and heal them when they FATE. Kick yourself for shotgunning all the content before early access has even finished when everyone knows that all the real end-game shit won't be added for another 2-4 weeks.

>playing japanese second life

But why

>>16655804

That's because it is.

>>16656173

Healing is simpler than ever before, you don't really have much of a dps rotation, it's just that everyone's pretty undergeared. SCH especially got hit hard because the fairy heal got really nerfed, so MLG PRO SCHitters are having to cast heals for the first time in the history of the job as opposed to just relying on fairy

>>16656506

Wait. What? There were people who just relied on the fairy? Did they want people to hate them?

>>16656532

Never underestimate how bad people are in the game where saying "you're doing bad" can possibly net you a ban

>>16656173

>Is healing harder now?

No, you have a lot of shit players because who else would preorder something?

>>16655804

Houses are shit.

>>16655985

Aggro is easy now, however you will take more damage in general as square wanted to make healers heal more often.

>>16656634

I typically only throw out emergency heals when things appear to be going south. I get the feeling some healers would prefer a wipe over a rdm helping them.

>>16656532

the fairy was that strong

Sch got fucked but the healing and shield for aboulations is cool, it can sort of be buffed with physick so a person can have full health and a nice shield and you can watch the little 'healthbar' melt and buff it or cast succor and replace it, abolutions again, and theres far more reason to cast succor now as it has also buffs with a nice shield. Which is cool because watching those bars melt is all you're going to be doing as a sch now.

>>16656953

>>16656574

>>16656672

There's nothing wrong with people helping healers out. What's it going to do, fuck up their healing chain? Healers want to do some damage, other guys want to help the party stay alive.

>>16657144

I like her–I'm a big Viera fan too, but am probably just going to make a new character for mine. I kind of want to replay Heavensward, plus I skipped things like the sightseeing log on my main, and that feels like a very Viera thing to complete. iirc in Tactics Advance the Viera said white (and thus white hair) is a sacred blessing, but that was just dream Ivalice, so let there be unorthodox hair colors, I say.

>>16657265

I plan to do the same, what data center?

So when do I get my collectors edition Gunblade glam?

>>16657320

I'm on Aether. My main character is level 70 all magic-user classes, level 0 in all others, and I don't want to lose my magic-only streak by taking up Bard on her. For my Viera I feel like Botany, Fishing, and Alchemy would be appropriate too (since some of the Viera in XII were 'salve makers'). Going to focus on hunting, gathering, and sightseeing I think.

I also wrote some fan lore on Viera astrology and Word of the Wood loosely based on stuff in XII, adapted to the world of XIV.

https://pastebin.com/GcLHuy6z

>>16657361

Christ, character creation is just outright not happening on Aether right now.

is tomorrow going to be a bigger influx of people than on early access?

>>16657408

Yeah, I haven't been experiencing log-in issues lately, but we'll see how that goes in the future. I'm waiting to see how things shake out while I play through Shadowbringers first. Afterwards, if there's an RP friendly world I can make a new character in, I'll go for that.

>>16657585

Only one I'm aware if is Balmung, which is full of ERP cancer iirc.

>>16657653

Yeah I know allll about the Balmung experience. I was hoping normal RPers would have spilled off onto other worlds though. Every now and then I encounter some doing roulettes. I'll give the forums a browse when the time comes.

>>16657585

mateus and goblin on crystal, jenova has a small rp community on aether

>>16657585

Stay the fuck off Balmung. I rolled on their with friends that have since quit, it's got the biggest RP and worst community. Also the worst players on that shard.

>>16657778

>casters being buff niggas don't roll a bara roe

I dunno anon, that picture of the dapper af Hrothgar has made me rethink how I envision that sort of thing.

>>16657998

Don't worry, I'm sure in 5 patches they'll throw a potency buff on random garbage which will totally fix the classes. Because all that matters is higher numbers not if something's actually fun to play or not

>>16658221

Tanks don't have a tank stance anymore, and aggro is easier than ever before. The issue is that tanking became so braindead all the good tanks either quit or changed classes

>>16658223

They do have a tank stance. It gives them greater aggro.

>>16658226

it's not really a stance, because you don't have any other fucking choice. It's braindead garbage. Literally it's "are you dumb enough to somehow still want to play a tank after this" and if you answered yes, you probably can't keep track of a single buff.

>>16658233

>You probably can't keep track of a single buff.

Well most of them can't, before 5.0 I never had a problem with tanks forgetting to put it up but now I have to keep reminding them in chat and some times they don't even pay attention to that.

>>16658221

>be tank

>feel like doing instance

>hop into the last one I have unlocked

>Qitana Revel and that groovy music baby

>am 79

>get level sync'd

>all buffs removed including tank stance

>don't realize this until the third pull in

After two years of running mostly high-end content that doesn't do that shit, it's taking us a moment to remember that level sync'd kills any buffs you have on you. Hence, we gotta re-apply tank stance each time we get level sync'd, including FATE's or anything else that gives us a sync. End game beforehand maybe you'd run a leveling or a trial roulette and that would be the extent of your sync issues. And even if you forgot, so many attacks had extra emnity baked in that you could get away with tanking in dps stance so it didn't matter. Tank stance was such an afterthought simply because it wasn't needed.

>>16657998

>be healer

>spend most of your time doing dps because that's the meta

>SE wants healers to actually use healing on things outside of tank busters and raid aoes

>healers now actually encouraged to heal

>shit hits kinda hard now

>"zomg SE y u do dis?! i quit!" fucking everywhere

So, turns out, most "healers" really were DPS who just wanted faster queue times, and now that healers actually have to fucking heal the mask has come off. No longer can a healer get away with being an orange icon; they actually gotta fill those health bars to make a living now.

That isn't to say some of SE's decisions weren't dumb. The removal of Energy Drain seems stupid, and AST losing it's RNG fun for a boring ass set of samey buffs was just a bad idea. I dig the new lily mechanic WHM has, with the payoff of a nice nuke at the end, encouraging active use of the lilies for defensive/restorative purposes.

SCH and AST will need to be looked at I think. But healers need to accept that they should be healing more than they dps, instead of the back asswards way things were done in HW and StB.

>>16658237

Like I said, good tanks and healers are becoming increasingly rare because the classes got gutted so hard.

>>16658239

As a healer main, let me tell you, you're full of shit, healing is just as easy as it always was, you just lost a lot of your dps options because… fuck you I guess, have fun with 3 whole dps buttons as a SCH

>>16658239

Is painfully obvious you don't play healer. Healing is just marginal harder in dungeons with some trash groups, but overall is the same, specially with bosses. Fucking DPS wasn't the issue, is that when we literally cannot heal there is anything else to do that is entertaining. What the fuck do you want us to do? Overheal? AST mains complain about a simpler less entertaining card system, that regardless if it has "better numbers", it requires very little though. I, who played SCH, find absolutely miserable when most of my time is spamming 1 fucking key. Yes, is fun when a tank pulls big and have to focus mainly on healing, but that happens maybe once or twice on the whole instance, the rest is easy as hell. Also the changes to the fairy are awkward as fuck. Not being able to spend Aetherstacks, not being able to use Aetherflow out of combat, not being able to use the fairy skills at the same time we are casting and the lost of some useful skills, like Largesse and the fairy healing buff (I forgot the name) coupled with Rouse fucking sucks. Also, the experience at low levels is even worse. We don't get Aetherflow until level 45. Literally you hardly have to heal on those. ShB is actually a small portion of the game, the rest has become even more boring.

On another note, a lot of the issues on some of the hardest pull come more from a lack of DPS than healing/tanking for what I gather. I'm going through ShB as SMN/SCH. Not gonna say I'm great, but competent enough on both. My friend is going as DRK. When we did dungeons, he died on two occasions despite me blowing out all my oGCD and spamming Adlo. Same happened once when I was SMN, and the WHM couldn't keep him alive on one of the pulls. On both occasions, either both or one of the DPS was doing poor damage and one of them just not doing AoE at all. It seems that it is more important for the DPS to actually pull their weight or both the Tank and Healer will run out of tools to keep themselves alive, and if the healer is not geared enough, spamming heals, at least as SCH, won't cut it. Take note however, that my gear isn't spectacular, so perhaps it was more an issue of me being under geared for the specific pulls.

>>16658269

It was probably a duel gear issue more than anything else. Once the tank and you get geared you'll basically fall into the same uniformity you're used to.

>Blizzard holds back their Azshara patch to compete with XIV

>Its a shitty coral island in the ocean because the dumbdumbs can't deal with flying if its called swimming

>Get to the final area of Shadowbringers

Its fucking rapture from bioshock: FF edition

Boy is this one not what Blizzard intended huh?

>>16658244

>As a healer main, let me tell you, you're full of shit, healing is just as easy as it always was, you just lost a lot of your dps options because… fuck you I guess, have fun with 3 whole dps buttons as a SCH

On the one hand I get you; healers need to be able to survive solo and to have meaningful things to do when *not* healing. It would be bad design to force so much damage that healers always had to be healing 100% of the time. Some variability is good, but it seemed to me like by about the mid-point of HW, it was the job of everyone to deal as much damage at all times as possible. A consequence of SE and their obsession with dps checks and how higher dps resulted in less need for healing cause the fight ended faster and maybe you'd push a phase faster and skip a mechanic, i.e. Zurvan and Soar to name one. Bad design there, but it is what it is. So ShB comes along after the HW/StB meta dominated for so long, and SE wants healers to be healing more than they dps. What do?

I wish I had a suggestion but I don't. I can only have faith that things will shake out and SE will make necessary adjustments. I mean, they made MCH fun as fuck; I've seen more MCH in this past weekend than I saw in the last year of StB. My experience with DRK so far has been pretty good. I have a few minor complaints mostly about mana gain vs. cost of mana spenders but they're pretty minor, and you get these bursts of frenetic action every 50-60s that are reminiscent of OG DRK from HW. The other tanks aren't doing badly, and the "loss" of stances isn't a practical loss at all because no one ever fucking used anything but the dps stance anyway. Maybe on the initial pull if you didn't have a ninja or your DPS couldn't into using Diversion, but then only for a single aggro combo and it was back to max dps again.

>>16658269

>Is painfully obvious you don't play healer.

You're right, healer isn't my main. I did get AST and WHM to 70 and played them both in Deltascape savage raids, although I admit I wasn't very good at it didn't get past O2S, although I did beat it a few times as a healer. The push for moar deeps at all times was something I felt very keenly there.

As for now in StB, I think a number of healers and tanks have forgotten that they are in leveling gear again and that's a major source of some dungeon-running problems. I've yet to get to the current end-game so I don't know how things will be there, but I do feel as DRK that I have good tools to deal with shit that comes my way as a tank. I've had a few situations where healing was a bit tight, but so far it's always been a healer tunnel visioning on dealing damage. I acknowledge that healers need something to do when they aren't actively healing, and asking them to just sit there on their hands until someone needs a cure is stupid. But I also don't think leaning on "well, just nuke it I guess" as a solution is a good idea either.

Ultimately, I think we'll need to see how the first bit of end-game plays out encounter-wise. Maybe there will be enough varied sources of incoming damage to justify more active healing from healers. That would seem the most logical way to deal with this; give healers the tools they need to overcome the challenges that will be presented to them.

>>16658223

>The issue is that tanking became so braindead all the good tanks either quit or changed classes

<be me, a tank player.

<almost half my main's job skills were removed on 5.0.

<My tank rotation is now just 1,2,3,4 then repeat.

Thrilling changes here.

Been playing for a few days, gunbreaker is fun, with decent aggro management and survivability, and the mch changes have been great, no more fighting mobs, bosses and rng

>>16658309

Be a real man and play DNC and not FGT.

>>16658302

>But I also don't think leaning on "well, just nuke it I guess" as a solution is a good idea either.

To be honest, I don't disagree with this one. Is just that DPS was what we used to fill the downtime. Healer had been drawing the short end of the stick for a while. Perhaps giving us tool to mitigate damage, to buff or debuff, more support, make MP management more active, something to make the downtime more interesting and reducing DPS times to a minimum. Even new healing tools that are harder to use but more fun will be better. As it stands now, they are really not that fun anymore.

Dancer RNG is a bit shit though, 50% my ass feels more like 20% of the time their flourishes proc.

>>16658317

Skill speed all day err day. Skill speed forever. Skill speed and anon, best friends all time.

>>16658302

Except the meta hasn't changed. Healer DPS is as high as ever, they just reduced your options for dealing it. SCH for example does more DPS than in SB, but is far more of a boring class. Healing isn't harder, they just reduced your DPS options while keeping your relative DPS the same. So you end up with the same meta of "DPS PUSH" because SE can't physically design a fight without a DPS check, I think they'll actually die if they don't have a dps check in a vast majority of fights, but now your class just has less shit to do.

>>16658309

Yeah seriously, Warrior and PLD got massive shafts. DRK sort of did, but I don't play dark at all.

>>16658373

you mean nostalgia, because most people agree that PLD was at it's worst during HW

>>16658302

>it was the job of everyone to deal as much damage at all times as possible.

Only in decent savage parties. Everywhere else healers (male) could just press a single button while bouncing on a dildo glued to their chair.

>>16658309

b-but you have to memorize when to press a button and move the boss around!

Tanking is fucking braindead now, this shit is worse than the SB warrior rework.

>>16656646

Should have stayed paladin instead of going to DRK

>>16658221

>>16658237

It’s not because i don’t want to, I always have grit on, why wouldn’t I there is literally no reason not to, but every time I enter a dungeon,trial,fate it gets turned off. It’s just muscle memory

As an off tank you also have to have it off, when your main tanks dies you switch it on, but unlike before where you only needed to perform 1 combo to get the aggro off your team mate now you have to provoke and pray your teammate doesn’t outaggro you forcing you to have to do two more combos all the meanwhile hoping your teammate doesn’t die in between.

Tanking isn’t hard it’s just old muscle memories fucking me up.

>>16658467

I'm playing GNB actually

Is FFXIV tanking like WoW back in the day when sunder tab sunder tab sunder tab sunder tab sunder was so fucking tedious and annoying no one could be bothered to do it, so the few tanks that did thought they were the hottest shit in the universe.

>>16658475

How is it? Everyone I hear tell me it’s fun more geared towards dps. Not that it matters I’m switching to rdm, could just be the bosses but I feel like this expansion made me a worse tank. That and the queue times are ludicrously long.

>>16658477

Not really, Tanks are more like DPS which have Aggro Stances which let then generate tons of aggro, with oGCD defensive skills that the must use either for constant mitigation (by rotating them) or to mitigate tankbusters. All of them also have Support Skills, specially GBN and PLD, like shields, heals and the like to protect party members. Finally all tanks have a single "super" defensive skill to that let them survive in extreme situations. PLD'ss Hollowed Ground makes it invencible, WAR's Holmang make it so that for a while you cannot go down of 1HP, DRK has living dead, which make you unable to die for a bit but must be healed to max to avoid dying for good, and GBN reduce its HP to 1, but becomes invencible for 8 seconds. I find tanking fun, but is extremelly easy to hold aggro.

>>16658477

basically, you have extremely easy main rotation followed by mitigation you have to pop whenever a boss does certain mechanics.

>Cover nerf

>That requiescat change which makes every retard with a pulse get 5 HS

I'm so glad I'm borrowing an account, holy fucking shit I wouldn't pay money for this garbage.

>>16657748

>>16657660

>>16657748

do erpfags buy lots of fanart?

>>16658239

>>16658269

imo the key problem is that healing will always be too easy b/c if you designed more frequent & unforgiving hp checks, only good healers would be able to handle them and the average pub group would fucking fall apart.

rather than doing big dps, i'd like there to be more nuanced support abilities or more debuffs to have to deal with, just something to do.

>>16658481

My only point of reference is old DRK, since I haven't played the other tanks this xpac, but it seems simple. Easy rotation, easy AoE threat. Later on you'll weave in some OGCs to spend their unique resource. If you've played fighting games before, they basically get EX-moves, tied to their resource system.

>>16659177

Everything is better then wow nowadays, even the biggest die hand fanboys aren't defending 8.2 anymore.

>>16659184

Well you still have the occasional Twitch shill whose followers suck up to.

>>16659283

yes

>>16659283

Apparently it's getting increased to level 60 in a future update.

>>16659293

But why? I thought the plan was to make it un capped when shadowbringers comes.

Since tp got removed would it possible to go max cd as WAR?

Also it is a real fucking shame WAR got fucked

>no more steel cyclone for mad pulls

>decimate is the new aoe with long animation

I think mithril cyclone is meh tier kind of like DRG sonic thrust combo but that shit should do more than extend storm eye havent played with the new abilities yet

Does FFXIV still have the retarded

>We're going to force you to do old quests to get to new expansions

Bullshit? Also, does scaling down still get rid of a bunch of your skills?

>>16658300

>Blizzard held their patch back

It's not even finished, they pushed it out to compete.

>>16659324

You better pay us money goy if you want to play the dlc you bought

>>16658682

>DRK rotation

I like the oGCD weaving with the new skills. Against a single target you use Edge and against 2+ targets you use Flood, interspersing Bloodspiller or Quietus depending on the situation BS for 1-2 targets, Quietus for 3+. I'd like to see CnS and AB be more than just a button you push more or less without thinking every 60s. Give them some kind of synergy with other skills, like adding a debuff to CnS that allows the DRK to drain mana on the target for 3-4 hits, or making it so Quietus/Flood reduce the CD on AB by 5s per use and add a stacking buff that increases damage and life drain. Something.

The basic rotation isn't bad per se, although I'd like to see another combo coming off of SS instead of merely HS>SS>SE. Something else that we have to keep track off that can be used during the downtime of Delirium and Blood Weapon. The class is quite fun when you have either (or both) of those buffs up, but then you've got 50-75 seconds without at least one of them up and it becomes a bit boring.

>>16659293

>>16659311

That blows. I'd come back if it wasn't a gimmick class, but now that they fucked up SCH too, I'm definitely not coming back.

polite sage

>>16659314

Did they say that was the plan? I don't know what they've said publicly about it, but I thought the idea was to make 'limitted jobs' for potentially fun or unique mechanics that couldn't be their own close. Like, now that Astrologian has lost time-based abilities, they may make a limited time mage class in the future instead.

>>16659444

m8 its a cube.

>>16659440

>Did they say that was the plan?

nope, its another wish created by the community.

>>16659456

>well yes you do have to play the game before you can get to the end game

okay nigger. I'd want to skip it because it's a bunch of horseshit fetch quests that prevent me from actually playing with other people. At least I know to still not bother with this game.

>>16659456

Because the vast majority of it is the same fetch quest bullshit of the base MSQ only with gigantic maps that you don't get to fly through until you no longer need to?

>>16659485

>>16659478

>wahh I have to actually put time and effort into exploring the world or something instead of q'ing dungeons until level cap without ever leaving the main city

WoWniggers - not even once.

I maxed out DRK, should i continue the msq? or wait tll i catch up with another class? 790k is alot of exp to give up.

>>16659546

Finish the MSQ its worth it

>>16659546

You are 3 episodes away from the finale of Gurren Lagann, keep going.

>>16659446

I want it

>>16659564

>>16659552

Alright you convinced me

>>16659456

I like how they trimmed class quests but not the ever important story of "go here talk to someone, okay now go back to the waking sands pray because you went to the wrong person"

>>16658244

>>16658302

So what, WHM with no stone or aero to pass the GCD when you don't need to heal? No wonder everyone is throwing a hissyfit about how healing classes are changed. I mained tank myself PLD with DRK on the side, WAR Is for metawhores. and I guess they didn't get destroyed so badly.

>>16659603

Wait I thought they just trimmed abilities, they trimmed the class quests too? That is bullshit.

>>16659620

They added something different this time where you follow the path of one of the warriors of darkness from HW.

>>16659620

I think since they changed buttons and some jobs deeply the old shtick of "use ability you got in previous class quest here" wouldn't work.

>>16659621

oh you mean the new ones, when you said "trimmed" I thought they had gone back and removed the old class quests from before.

>>16659620

They made "role" quests where you follow what happened to one of the other WoD from HW. I didnt find the physical DPS story to be all that interesting so i started skipping it halfway thru.

Definitely not as good as a job quest line, but at 80 once you finish the role quests and the MSQ you get a capstone single job quest thats more flavor than anything but I still liked the SAM one i did.

>>16659629

No, as far as I can tell you get a role quest every 2 levels starting at 70. So there is a tank questline, healer questline, ranged magical questline, ranged physical questline, and melee DPS questline. So yeah, no distinct quests for all 17 jobs, just five generic ones.

>>16659632

So far for the tank role quest things are interesting. You're following the Paladin WoD as he goes around securing the heirlooms of the princess of Voeburt that he used to serve personally and despite the horror of what happens to people, it's actually kind of touching.

>>16659636

>role quests

Not five but four. Tank, healer, physical dps and magical dps, corresponding to the PLD, WHM, BRD and BLM WoD's.

>>16659639

That sounds way better than the physical DPS one

>after story get dungeon in alt syrcus tower

>something is in the basement

its a garland ironworks robot from the alt future gone berserk. Cid rebuilt fucking alexander as the core of the time machine

>>16659502

<Locking cutscenes behind fetch ten bones or kill ten mobs is boring wowshit made worse by huge wowshit zones because muh flight

>LoL wOwNiGgErS

Is Alisaie a clam lapping dildo jockey? The more interaction I get with her in this expac the more she comes off as a really tryhard dyke with an over-inflated sense of self importance.

>>16659340

This dungeon and Mt.Gulg were my favorite ones, and that Il Mheg one. They really went all out with the high-fantasy setting.

>>16659442

There were so many moments that brought a tear to my eye. I really think this expansion is better than Heavensward.

>>16659442

It's strange they made their MMO story better than their main games.

>>16660013

I would almost agree, except the gameplay got massively worse, and the story in FFXIV is roughly 10% of what you do. The rest is dealing with retards who think that 3 buttons is a good and fun dps rotation, and people who can't even hit 3 buttons.

>>16660024

Why the fuck do you think they made the Trust system?

>>16660105

So you have to deal with NPCs who do no damage because they don't attack during mechanics? Pick your poison

>Pre-ordered shadowniggers

>Doesn't come with game time

SASUGA SQUENIX

>get official release confirmation email

>go to mog station to officially register release version of the game

>moments later receive message that due to suspicious activity on my account, it's been temporarily locked pending a password change

Nani the fuck? Is this what that Mog Station maintenance is addressing?

I'll play when they put in PUP

>>16660240

I love Zenos, personally. I've seen plenty of other Zenos fans out there as well. He's just great. Selch is also cool, but after FFXV and Ardyn, the whole 'bad guy cooperating with the party' thing is already a bit played out. I'm not expecting Zenos or Selch to have an Ardyn-tier backstory but I do like that they are building towards something with both.

>>16660271

It's funny you say that because I was getting Ardyn vibes from Emet-Selch throughout the whole story. People complained about Zenos' character and how it's been played out, but that didn't matter to me. Zenos alone was the best part about Stormblood and there's no denying it. Personally the "bad guy just wants to have a good fight" trope is a favorite of mine, and Zenos plays it off so well with how he looks and talks.

>>16654138

I knew I shouldn't have gotten back into playing this shit…

>>16660372

I was sorta thinking Zenos is gonna end up as your ally somehow, a "Vegeta" type character. Though now I think that won't happen. It's being made pretty clear that Zenos is gonna end up being more formidable than he was in Stormblood.

Remember Emet-Selch said Zodiark and Hydaelyn are primals, so Zenos could possibly use his resonant to posses Zodiark similar to how he did Shinryu

>>16660424

My conservative prediction is Zenos gets really powerful, kills the emperor, then fights one or more ascians.

My giga-brained prediction is that Emet-Selch summons Zodiarc in an incomplete state, and Zenos temporarily works with the Warrior of Light to destroy it after realizing his super-powerful state is still not strong enough.

>>16660439

You forget, he's going to team up with you, you're going to kill zodiarc, and then he's gonna go "haha this was my plan all along" and then steal it somehow run away for the next expansion

>>16660424

Zodiark was made from three quarters of the Ascian population and Hydaelyn was made from the rest when they wanted to stop making sacrifices to him after the giganigger calamity and let younger races survive. They also have influence that doesn't require them to tangibly be there, so his definition of primals feels a lot more vague and general than just god-figure a bunch of furfags/scalies summoned with aether.

>>16659502

>this game is perfect, no flaws

>if you think different you're a wownigger

How much you getting paid?

wow is a better game than this anyway but it's so close it's be a shame if it didn't fix the minor things holding it back

>>16659456

I'm still salty that Yotsuyu's outfit isn't available for glamour.

>>16660555

WoW hasn't had a good expansion in over a decade.

>>16660460

They explain that as the ancients having far more natural aether for their creation magic and the lesser beings on the sharded worlds world need to consume a lot of lives, crystals or natural aether to do the same, and since moggle mog we have known the primals are not set creatures like in other games but an idea brought to life. Even the lyrics in Answers about 'hope' and 'wish' were teasing Pheonix the whole time. Then it got confirmed in HW when another Titan was summoned who didn't recognise the player character at all. Primals are just absurd high level creation magic that brings ideas and concepts to life. It looks like the Ascians simply let their imagination run free, literally, and they were overwhelmed with nightmares and subliminal thoughts.

>>16660555

your kind has ruined all mmos with your complaints of not like wow enough.

>>16660830

You're not wrong, this expansion reeks of "we want the WoW audience" down to repeating the same mistakes WoW made.

>>16660883

For example?

>>16656574

>leveling dps

>pressing buttons like a madman

>notice other people are pressing the same button over and over expecting to get carried

>press the button that has /action "jolt" <wait.3> repeated 14 times and alt tab

If other people are shit, that just means the bar has been set really low.

>>16660900

Massively dumbing down classes, notably tanks and greatly reducing player agency notably healers, and taking the lazy way out with class quests, which while not something blizzard did exactly, reflects the ideology that blizzard has as a whole. Right around cata Blizz went hard in homogenizing classes.

I actually yelled 'What the Fuck!' out loud when the summon at the end of the last dungeon is "Guardian Force Quetzacotl" and he even has the exact same design as FF8.

>>16661002

>Massively dumbing down classes,

SAM is almost exactly the same. Actually has a few new buttons to push. RDM too. DNC is a fun take on a ranged dps that stays interesting due to the dancing and partner mechanic. Tanks are much simplified, but at the same time, no one was using the shit that they lost. DRK gained more oGCD busy-ness while PLD got fleshed out as a spellcaster a bit more and WAR just lost stance swapping and it's aggro combo as did all the other tanks in some form or another. I won't speak to the rest, and I know healers are feeling a drought of skills in downtime now, but I won't make any judgments on that until the first tier of savage has been around for a few weeks. I have confidence that they built the content for the changes they've implemented to healers.

>taking the lazy way out with class quests

I initially thought the same thing, but I like what they've done, with each role quest being the history of the other four Warriors of Darkness. People bitched and moaned about how short the WoD questline in HW was, and how it felt like they got put on a bus. I'm loving the tank role quest. Branden saw some shit. Plus, given the situation story-wise, it makes sense; how could your respective job quest givers from the Source give you level-relevant content as you go from 70 to 80? They can't travel the firmament to go from one world to another like the WoL can.

>homogenizing classes

From what I can tell tank-wise, there's not a lot of homogenization. There's similarities, and some standard stuff that all tanks have more or less always had but the way I break it down now is like this; GNB and DRK are the oGCD classes, with moments of frenetic button pressing to break up the normal combo routine. WAR and DRK share something in that both have a "balls out" cooldown and do well aiding a single character via Nascent Flash and TBN. PLD and GNB share a similar style of extra resource, stacking it and then using it on empowered attacks, with PLD having the option for effective albeit only for a short time ranged dps, while GNB generally wants to stay up close and personal as much as possible. Not the same, but similar. Different enough that playing WAR doesn't feel like playing DRK except when Delirium/Inner Release are active.

I share the concern about class homogenization, but given the limitations they've set for themselves in game, I'm pleased with what's come about so far. Yeah yeah, healers and dps, I get that, and I'm certainly not happy with the AST card changes, but I'm withholding judgment on that until more than just a few days have passed since people have been playing.

>>16661021

Except you can't change the core problem, unless they either completely revert, the depth just isn't there anymore at all. For any of the healing classes. Tanks too for that matter

>>16661021

Also the class quest thing is lazy as shit "well we don't want to make multiple, so just do 1 line for each role that differs at the very end!"

I could forgive it if they were super in depth compared to the previous class quests but they're about on par, it's just them not wanting to write more storylines.

>>16661032

the thing that pisses me off even more is there was no reward either, no clothes just 3 materias.

>>16660452

That literally is his plan, after the credits there's a few more in game cutscenes where he confronts Elidibus in his body, Elidibus spills the beans about Zodiark and Hydelean then fucks off and Zenos gets his body back. Zenos then kills his father saying nothing will stop him and the player from getting stronger. Hes probably gonna take control of/absorb Zodiark while Ascians manipulate/Zeno forces us to do the same with Hydelaen

>>16661030

What depth are you referring to? If anything, tanking really hasn't become more simple itself, because tanks either never leave Tank stance or never used leave DPS stance. Tanking is mostly the same, if anything ShB monster's DPS is higher, multiple pulls are harder and shitters stick out much more like a shore thumb. If anything has been lost is party Aggro management, meaning diversion/lucid dreaming aggro dumps. Not terrible deep either. The healer issues is completely right though.

Also the change to job quests to role quest have a very easy explanation. If they keep adding 2 jobs minimum each new expansion shits gonna get bloated and lot of resources will be spend on writing the story lines. Many, mind you, which were trash, and annoying to complete if you wanted you skills. While is true some were the best written in the game (DRK's) most were garbage (WHM, PLD, WAR). The fact that it deals with character related to the main events of the game is actually very interesting.

Also what the fuck are you sperging so much, you really have a hate boner for the game, have you? You just saying everything is shit without really explaining why.

>>16661039

Also what's gonna happen to Garlemald now that Varis is dead? Zenos straight up said he doesn't give a shit about the throne and he probably wouldn't be emperor anyways because he committed regicide. I know Zenos is strong but could he really fight off both Gaius and Estinien?

>>16661048

You can complete dungeons with giant pulls? if im unlucky i can only do that once a dungeon.

>>16661048

>tanks lose a ton of abilities, have more shit relegated to passives, threat management is literally turning on a single ability with no thought required

<tanks defend this

It's not even a hate boner, it's more of a hatred for people who I know will continue to ignore this shit and while the game gets worse. "who cares if I lost 20 abilities, my entire kit got streamlined down to a single combo and I do more dps now!" is the exact same chain of thinking that lead WoW to where it is now, and that's exactly what's happening in FFXIV

>>16661053

A lot of things could happen more likely than not there will be another civil war or until succession is determined the Popularis will take control of the senate. Zenos isnt dumb just hyper focused and knows that if Varis stayed in control he would have used Black Rose and that would have spoiled his hunt. Probably

>>16661048

>because tanks either never leave Tank stance or never used leave DPS stance.

Tell that to stance dancing Warriors in Stormblood, that class is basically unplayable now due to how brain dead it is.

>>16661056

>less skills

DRK lost four things: Blood Price, Spinning Slash, Power Slash and Dark Arts. No one used the aggro combo so that's whatever I do miss that PS animation though and no one was sad to see Dark Arts go away. Dark Passenger got turned into Flood of Darkness/Shadow and Darkside was baked into it and Edge. DRK gained Edge of Darkness/Shadow, Dark Missionary, Stalwart Soul and Living Shadow. That's a net gain and loss of 0 skills. DRK has exactly as many buttons to push now as they did prior to the xpac. I haven't looked extensively at PLD or WAR yet, but at a glance PLD gained more than it lost, with the only major loss being no more Bulwark. This is made up for by Sheltron essentially doing what Bulwark did but with 100% success rate and a much lower CD.

>threat management

Always has been thoughtless. As long as you aren't drastically out-geared in the weapon department, holding aggro hasn't been a problem since the game was released as ARR. The addition of Shirk in 4.0 made aggro management even easier.

You have a problem with the game, fine, but keep the strawmen and bullshit hyperbole out of it. You haven't made a point that can't be refuted by actual evidence.

>>16661094

Warrior lost a ton because it's just conversions off an ability. PLD lost a ton too. "hurr you gained one ability you can pop every 120 seconds!" doesn't change how the other 100 seconds without that ability play. God pull your head out of your ass, yoshi isn't going to come congratulate you personally for burying your head in the sand like a good paypig

>>16661086

But tanks really haven't lost that many skills. PLD has almost the same amount of skill. Can't talk about WAR or DRK though, so perhaps those have it worse. Aggro combos were kind of shit and certain changes are welcome. I'll say this issue in particular you are focusing on the wrong side. DPS has some good and bad changes, tanks hasn't really receive much changes. Yet I'll say you are not entirely wrong, as is true that the defensive oGCD are more similar than ever, which is worrisome. What is a fucking travesty is the healer changes, and people are complaining rightly so. The main issue I see with tank is that they had been and are more like "blue dps", and more focus on support, damage mitigation and enemy control would be welcome. The interruption mechanic is welcome. Also, I agree that further homogenization would be actually horrible for the game health. I hope Yoshi and his team listen to feedback in this regard. (although if you are not japanese probably it will be hard).

>>16661086

Is that bad? damn, that sucks. WAR stances were probably the best and most fun to use. Don't know how much the changes have affected WAR so won't say much about them.

>>16661109

>vegetable finally turned tanks into blue do’s.

What the fuck man, that’s a weird autocorrect.

What I meant to say is that I’m sure war mains are happy since tanks are just blue dps now.

>>16661108

Wars are just awful to play now. SB they were bad, ShB it's just painful to play, you do dps sure, but you'll be bored the entire way. Healers most assuredly got the shortest stick on earth, but tanks didn't escape unscathed either.

It's amazing how shitty WAR's new "Inner Chaos" ability looks and sounds. Even at it being a 920 potency + auto DH/Crit it still feels like shit. WAR used to be so much fun to play, but fuck if it's even a shadow of it's former self now. Lack of sustain, lack of excess HP, lack FUN, but I guess we got more fucking head smashing with Fel Cleaves. Thanks, Yoshi.

And fuck the niggers expecting you to watch videos for extremes 1 day after official release because they shit socked already.

>>16661170

Already? What datacenter are you on?

>>16661175

Primal. From what I gathered neither of them are difficult and are around the same level as Susano and Lakshmi. So it just goes to show the level of shitter on my datacenter.

>>16661190

It’s been only a day, why ruin the experience of learning.

>>16661094

>That's a net gain and loss of 0 skills. DRK has exactly as many buttons to push now as they did prior to the xpac.

Ignore how DA was the button DRKs pressed the most :^).

>>threat management

>Always has been thoughtless.

If having to ask 4 retards to use diversion was thoughtless then this is a change fit for the WoWfugees that are jumping ship.

>>16661108

>PLD has almost the same amount of skill.

Buttons? Sure. Actual skill? Pass me whatever you were smoking because I want to be retarded too. You probably clapped at the thought of instant casting under requiescat because the only casting you've done was use clemency in dungeons after using a boost to 60 and playing for a couple of hours before going back to some shit DPS class.

>The main issue I see with tank is that they had been and are more like "blue dps",

I fail to see how is that a bad thing. They could deal a lot of damage and it was fairly easy to do so provided you:

1_ Were literate

2_ Had two hands

3_ Could press more than 30 buttons a minute, in a game with a gcd at 2.5

Mouthbreathing niggers that thought DRK looked cool would fail to do damage and would get killed by a boss casting a tankbuster with a 5 second castbar, from full HP, the game isn't in a position to ask more out of tank players and the developers know it, that's why they made the tanks easier to play.

>and more focus on support,

But everyone gets "support" now, shitty aoe shields/mitigation.

>damage mitigation

Already in the game, Reprisal. Otherwise see above.

>and enemy control would be welcome.

Such as? Stunning a story mode boss that dies in 4 minutes? A savage boss that's following the same mechanics over and over? Are you fucking stupid?

Quit typing buzzwords when talking about what tanks should do, retard.

>>16661086

>WAR's prog ability is now the same trash as the rest

>You can no longer salvage shit runs with Inner Beast

>Cover is too strong, better make it cost 50 gauge just like intervention, and remove any mitigation you'd be getting

>Tanks can't be too good at something, give all of them damage resist and 2 buttons with the same downtime.

>>16661116

>war mains are happy

If you ask someone that spent $40 AND isn't trying to perform mental gymnastics trying to defend that purchase, we aren't.

>since tanks are just blue dps now

They were blue DPS for more than half a decade, but now tanking is just as braindead as DPSing.

>>16661170

>And fuck the niggers expecting you to watch videos for extremes 1 day after official release because they shit socked already.

Better get on discord too so your tranny party leader can call out the first 30 seconds of the fight, for over an hour.

>>16661190

>From what I gathered neither of them are difficult and are around the same level as Susano and Lakshmi.

Ex trials have always been braindead and the only "difficulty" stems from either two people with brain damage aiming their LOIC tethers at the rest of the party, or several AFKing and guaranteeing an enrage.

>>16661210

> You probably clapped at the thought of instant casting under requiescat because the only casting you've done was use clemency in dungeons after using a boost to 60 and playing for a couple of hours before going back to some shit DPS class.

Played PLD quite regularly, done some savage with it. Perhaps you should keep your assumptions to yourself faggot. Although what a fucking dramatic change, not like dodge casting was hard unless you were a shitter.

You cannot fucking complaint that tanking has become brain dead, where all skill PLD gets from 70 on wards are attacks and then turn around and reject absolutely any other method of making tank actually have to actively work to make tanking more challenging that popping out oGCD once in a while.

>Such as? Stunning a story mode boss that dies in 4 minutes? A savage boss that's following the same mechanics over and over?

Yes, how about designing fights were you can actually stop certain attacks and reward reacting accordingly. The new interrupt mechanics are good example of these.

>But everyone gets "support" now, shitty aoe shields/mitigation

You said yourself, we have very little in the way of support, 1-2 skills isn't really very deep. They are, as you say yourself, shitty.

>Already in the game, Reprisal. Otherwise see above.

Hold your fucking horses, 1 single skill. Totally great.

>They were blue DPS for more than half a decade, but now tanking is just as braindead as DPSing.

Tanking has always been fucking easy. If you think threat management was any kind of problem, you are a fucking retard.

>>16660830

>implying

I still play a MUD, pretty far from wow.

FFXIV plays just like wow, it just does it worse in a very few ways. Unfortunately, it's ways that make the game much worse to play.

XIV is a 2nd Job Simulator

>>16661256

>Played PLD quite regularly

With the shit you're spewing, I can't see evidence of anything besides you throwing yourself into dungeons while griefing your party by making them experience SB's PLD in dungeons.

>done some savage with it.

Casual progs complete with a "leave the salt at the door :)" description? Quit fucking around.

>not like dodge casting was hard

You mean slide casting? There was hardly a reason to dodge while casting because you could just use a cooldown and ignore stuff, but a gigantic faggot, like you that runs on tomestone gear while looking forward to alliance raids for gear wouldn't know about that.

>You cannot fucking complaint that tanking has become brain dead, where all skill PLD gets from 70 on wards are attacks

I can queer, witness me. It gets one skill to AoE packs under requiescat because WAR using IR+decimate to jump from 6k to 12k dps just wasn't fair, a gap closer then an excuse to keep "sword oath" in the game and quite literally a requiescat finisher. Basically one button becomes part of your single target rotation (what you would be using once, every minute, for 9 minutes of a fight if you weren't shit), the gap closer is to be used on cooldown unless MECHANICS happen and Atonement is there to replace all the oGCD utility buttons you won't be using because cover is now what? An excuse not to tank swap and maybe a worse intervention.

If you can't see what "instant casting under requiescat" means then you're some nigger that's willfully ignorant, doesn't know what ogcd weaving is or never bothered trying to 5 HS and never cared about tanks/PLD.

But please, tell me how tanks are the same using your REALLY GOOD ANALYTICAL ABILITIES. Just focus really hard at the amount of buttons that DRK has, while also providing your government a reason to enact harsher population control policies in your hometown over that hive somehow spawning someone this fucking retarded.

>Hold your fucking horses, 1 single skill. Totally great.

The button that allowed both tanks to lower raidwide chip damage and allow the healers deal more damage? What next? Are you going to cheer over the removal of convalescence & death of adlo because only the small percentage of players cheesing limit break 3 months into the tier made all (you) shitters that couldn't into actual teamwork look really bad?

>Yes, how about designing fights were you can actually stop certain attacks and reward reacting accordingly.

You had that in Midas, along with entertaining mechanics like gavel. Stun an add for some LB, a big fucking deal.

>You said yourself, we have very little in the way of support, 1-2 skills isn't really very deep.

And what the fuck do you want, besides buzzwords? Yoshida adding a Rubik's cube to the tank UI? Keep posting trash, nigger.

>If you think threat management was any kind of problem

It never was, unless you were shit at the game, which is probably a relief for the likes of you. Now you get the both of words worlds: lotsa aggro with lotsa damage.

It's now such a difficult role to handle, hold on I gotta be a good tank and make sure that my weeb invuln macro is on my gamepad, fuck me, what a challenging role I'm sweating here.

>>16661372

>Atonement is there to replace all the oGCD

Fuck me it's a weaponskill, replying to this nigger is making me retarded, but I'm not afraid because tanking will still be accessible.

>>16661565

>DRG player that swaps to SMN, the class that can afk inbetween bahamut cycles

No wonder you couldn't tell a difference between tanking in SB and Shadowniggers and replied to that other post with some faggot math over how many buttons DRK has to press.

>>16661048

>If anything has been lost is party Aggro management. Not terrible deep either.

And now there's no way for players to control their aggro. Whatever depth there was is now gone, because shitters couldn't bother learning how to actually play the game.

For instance, a BLM is going to be 3rd or 4th 2nd in aggro no matter what and when the tank eats shit that BLM is going to start getting hit. He can't do anything but Manaward and hope the 2nd GNB provokes. He can't use lucid/diversion on cooldown either to avoid getting as much threat and he'll never watch the cotank and 2-3 other DPS eat shit before he does unless he deals less damage than other people or he dies and his aggro is reset.

More features are going to get deleted and you'll have retards that preordered the game defending those changes.

>>16662050

>SMN>literally the busiest DPS in ShB

Yeah, ok. Whatever you say.

>And now there's no way for players to control their aggro. Whatever depth there was is now gone, because shitters couldn't bother learning how to actually play the game.

>For instance, a BLM is going to be 3rd or 4th 2nd in aggro no matter what and when the tank eats shit that BLM is going to start getting hit. He can't do anything but Manaward and hope the 2nd GNB provokes. He can't use lucid/diversion on cooldown either to avoid getting as much threat and he'll never watch the cotank and 2-3 other DPS eat shit before he does unless he deals less damage than other people or he dies and his aggro is reset.

I completely agree on this though. Happened to me multiple times.

>Whatever depth there was is now gone, because shitters couldn't bother learning how to actually play the game.

The thing is, I completely agree with you on this. I would have rather they improved the tanking stances, make them more significant if you know what I mean. WAR for example was quite alright, you could for a time reduce the negatives effect and it give you access to more defensive skills. I actually ended up enjoy WAR more in general just because of that. DRK had some of this, but it wasn't as significative. PLD stance was shit. Instead of removing it I would have prefer them to make the stance more significative, perhaps makes PLD's oGCD too or atleast be more important. I'll say though, tanks themselves aren't that hurt about the changes, because the design that was in place also didn't encourage tanks to really manage their own aggro unless they were with shitters. The changes affected more the "deepth" of the whole party, which may be even worse. I'm still of the opinion that tanking needed to be more involved. The right way should have been the opposite, making holding aggro more important for the tank. Also at this point is impossible, but perhaps more substained damage mitigation instead of simpe burst dmg mitigation would have been interest, if you know what I mean. I tanks have a form of recovery build in their combos, but I feel it is not much and doesn't really require much thought.

Unlikely as it is, what changes would you say are needed for tanking to improve on the game? You seem to have quite a good grasp and I'm actually interested if you don't mind.

Why did they remove protect?

how do i tank

>>16662201

I guess because it was a very superfluos skill. You used at the beginning of the duty or if someone died. Wasn't really that useful nor fun, so they removed. Could had made it into a shielding skill imo.

What I want is to be able to make my character as fat as that cat girl.

>>16662216

go into tank stance and dont die

>>16662216

From my experience it's pretty much impossible to lose aggro now as a tank. The only decision making involved is when to press your cooldown buttons which you should do on packs that hit hard.

>>16662216

>>16662268

I just did a Dohn Mheg and Tank DC half way trough the second boss but we still killed it because he hold aggro by just standing there in a right place

Fucking hate these parsing faggots that ruin mechanics for "uptime". Stupid fucking niggers in this game.

Red pill me on spell speed. I filled just about all my materia slots with +40 spell speed materia, then took off all my gear and it increased the cast time by 0.05 seconds. Am I retarded or is this pointless? Do materia just not really matter that much to begin with?

>>16662551

Isnt that why SE doesnt allow it to run in the game? Technically using a parser is a violation of the ToS isnt it?

>>16661262

what mud?

i'd love to go back and play anything at this point.

>>16662551

What's worse is this shit isn't even hard, but these fags want to do this in pugs. Fuck sake these people are retards.

>>16662563

They don't want it to be used to bully shitters, as in actual trash players, which is why it's reportable if you insult someone with shit damage. How else would you know unless you have it running? Otherwise they don't give a fuck.

>>16662577

Seriously. You'll naturally be able to find out how your class works and be able to squeeze the most out of it regardless. Then it becomes a game of learning mechanics. But its so hard to build a team when you don't got interested friends and harder to find a team willing to include you that doesn't parse.

Any anons on Ultros?

>>16662551

>>16662427

>>16662574

>>16662577

Baddies detected.

>>16662592

>I can just FEEL I'm doing well, I don't need objective measurements.

>>16662646

Most of my parses are purple with a few in orange, but I guess because it's not all orange I'm bad, right? It's different in using it as a judge and niggers RUINING a run for uptime in a pug. Suck a dick, nigger. Not once did I say to not use it ever to get better. Fucking retard.

>>16662050

>For instance, a BLM is going to be 3rd or 4th 2nd in aggro no matter what and when the tank eats shit that BLM is going to start getting hit.

That's what Voke/Shirk is for. As long as Shirk is used after tank swaps or if swaps are unneeded, on cooldown by the OT onto the MT with Provoke then the OT will always have 2nd threat while the MT will be ahead of the OT by a country mile.

The aggro "game" died when Shirk was introduced. Aggro was never an issue in 4-mans, and in 8-man's the two tanks can create a positive feedback loop of aggro that no one else can hope to catch.

>>16662659

Do you hate games with scores too? Games with timers? K/D ratios? Ranks? There's more than just success/failure when it comes to games.

>>16662771

Look RDM's should be able to do 3.2k dps in Titania EX, and that's you're fault for expecting them to be able to play.

>>16662745

>plenty of ways to determine if you're having an issue

But how do you know what the issue is? Even if there is no issue, what if you just want to perform better because you feel like improving?

>people who live by it

Don't play with them. How does other people playing the way they want effect you?

>adding a score

Not really, the info is already there it's just presenting it in a way you can keep track

>treating it like the law

Then don't do that and don't play with those who do? When I played MMOs last I never did.

>>16662752

>disagreement is baiting

>Specs that could be interesting to experiment with get shunned because muh anecdotal evidence.

Parsers are not anecdotal, they are objective. Anecdotal would be GW2 originally when people were only bringing elementalists to dungeons because mathematically they could perform the best, after a parser was made people were more willing to bring other classes because they could see if players were playing them well. Granted I've only heard of that, might be false but that is what "anecdotal evidence" would be, not a parser. As for being shunned, are you saying people should be forced to play with you against their will? Maybe people should just play with like minded people so they can all have fun.

>The fun should be in the journey, not the destination.

Improving characters is fun for some people, it's why ARPGs like diablo are so big, along with loot autism of course. For them the journey is improving their character, like someone playing DMC4 might find it fun getting SSS ranks.

>you're a moron if you don't play the way I play

I think you might be the troll.

>>16662794

>Don't play with them. How does other people playing the way they want effect you?

>Then don't do that and don't play with those who do? When I played MMOs last I never did.

Cause this shit's the norm. Imagine being completely unable to fucking play anything current because people refuse to go without this fucking shit.

>But how do you know what the issue is? Even if there is no issue, what if you just want to perform better because you feel like improving?

I'm not implying that its a useless tool. Just that the only way I've ever seen it used is to make things less fun. I'm not against the tool as a concept, but the fact that 99% of people are using it as gospel rather than a measuring stick to help fix issues is the problem.

>>16662745

>>16662752

>>16662794

>>16662809

Let's not forget that the top 1% of parsers are about cheesing the meter while fucking the group over and not actually doing top DPS. At one point DPS meters were about optimizing your DPS, their obstensible point, but they've gotten to the point where you just use them to trash people who aren't "optimal." Its the meta community formed around DPS meters that cause the toxic behavior, not the tools themselves.

>>16662809

>people refuse to go without this fucking shit.

Considering how much bitching people do about it and that openly using it in FFXIV will get you banned, I don't believe you. You probably wont get into the top guilds, they are the top because they enforce this more heavily, but you can find groups to play. I know I found people to play FFXIV with who didn't use it, or if they did didn't make a big deal out of it, for the few months I played.

>>16662817

>toxic behavior

You have to go back.

>>16662825

> I know I found people to play FFXIV with who didn't use it, or if they did didn't make a big deal out of it, for the few months I played.

I need to find these people then apparently cause I never fuckin see them.

>>16662832

Not really sure about that then. I think I just joined some random guild that was recruiting in chat. Are you on one of the unofficial raider servers? If a server is known as the one where the high-tier players play it may attract more of those types of people just like Balmung and that other server attract the RPers.

>>16662830

I see them constantly in Savages and EX Trials. Anything current that's not a normal or a dungeon. But you gotta do it when its current or else fucking no one will be doing it.

>>16662842

>that name

>those guilds

No surprise. Have you tried the guild recruiting forums? Might have better luck there.

>>16662857

I might have to take a peek but at this point, I've considered just sayin fuck it and making a guild myself.

>house flippers advertise they're selling medium plots on my server

>try to contact them

>none of them ever respond

>on top of this I still haven't gotten my sin eater minion from Mt.Gulg

I want to die

Servers ded for anyone else?

What is the minimum color on fflogs for clearing content? Assuming the entire group is the same parse.

>>16662898

I mean if the entire group is fucking grey would they still clear or would they have to all be blue? Don't be a fucking sperg, nigger.

>>16662842

I also started on Faerie because of friends, then got abandoned by them because they stopped paying the subscription fee

Unlike you though, I knew other fags online to play with and moved servers

>>16662869

One issue with parsers being bannable I can think of is guilds cannot openly state they are used when they recruit so people who don't like them may join a guild only to be kicked for "unspecified reasons" or hear over TTS that parsers are used after already in the guild.

>>16662986

Happened to me on Ultros. I reconnected and my queue position is about 650 now. I started at 1700~.

>>16663010

At least when Stormblood launched I was in the game and unable to continue the MSQ. Now I can't even log in.

>>16663169

you got problems

>>16663210

>At most, WAR would have 10% increased crit chance during the Inner Release phase, for 5 FC's, before using a 6th to dump the pooled 100 gauge, lowering their crit rate boost from 10 to 5%.

And just so we're clear, since I know you suck at mechanics, Inner Release gave WAR a 100% crit rate, so the boost to crit granted by Deliverance was useless under the effects of IR. In terms of practical use, you were more likely to see a 10% crit boost to a Heavy Swing than anything else, which was paltry and overall useless in the grand scheme of things. You also might see a 10% increase in crit to a single Fell Cleave or Decimate, but any gain in damage from that was negligible compared to your overall damage. This is more than made up for by the additional skills WAR has gained via Nascent Chaos.

>>16663224

no they didn't, warrior is still out all of their tank stance shit, and what you got in return was "lol juts do fell cleaves", Is there even a point for having inner beast still in the game? Oh no there isn't because it just morphs into fell cleave. At this fucking point just remove everything from warrior but fucking fell cleave because it's obvious that's all SE wants warriors to ever do.

>>16663303

I make no statements about which is better wow is shit I'm simply pointing out that classes in wow have fucking class flavor. Name one thing, that is class specific that adds a down time utility or novelty in ff14, pro tip, there isn't one.

>>16663334

oh boy, moving the goalposts, why am I not surprised.

How come you hardly every see FFXIV players shit up WoW threads?

>>16663411

Because Wow players are niggers and niggers have no decency.

>>16663411

Because their game isn't directed by jews.

>>16663411

Because you can only make fun of a retarded kid for so long before it gets boring? But FFXIV is in it's CwC phase

Does anyone have a catbox link to the song Mortal Instants? It plays in the uh…the level 80 dungeon

>>16663411

We're too busy actually playing the game and having fun instead of projecting our insecurities onto other games.

I just spent half an hour tracking down this obscure mouse management software so I can use my mouse 4/5 as shift/control because apparently fucking nobody knows how to do that and my mouse has shit drivers.

FUCK

>>16663572

>implying you're not in a queue

>>16663601

Nah bro, I'm doing hunts. Gotta get me those nut sacks and finish hitting 80.

>>16663631

All right that's cool and all but what the ever loving fuck happened to my SCH and where are all of my skills?

>>16663643

No idea, but I've heard that SCH can solo heal the current extreme content because their healing kit is just that insane.

>>16663649

Yeah that's nice and all but can I have rouse back?

>>16663643

dancer really should've been a healslut. weren't they in xi?

>>16663670

I DON'T KNOW BUT WHERE IS PROTECT AT I'M GETTING SCARED

>>16663649

Not really, SCH's healing kit is the best of the lot, but you need a really geared tank to solo heal, not like it really matters though the 2 EXes that are currently out are extremely easy. Innocence EX was a one shot because it's all just reactionary, and titania EX has old mechanics thrown in there.

Soooo are they ever gonna add Zurvan's glowing weapons?

>>16663979

Nice to hear. I'll have to ask my BLM friend how he feels about it once he hits 80.

>DRK thus far: pros

Feels better than it did in StB. No more DA spam is a very welcome addition. It's now baked into TBN, thereby ending the argument about "DA vs. TBN" without regard for any of that opportunity cost bullshit. TBN costs 3k MP, which is the same as the Edge/Flood skills cost, but if TBN pops you get a Dark Arts proc that lasts indefinitely and makes the next Edge or Flood free. So as long as you know your TBN will pop, you always want to use it. Having it changed to 25% of target's max HP is an out-and-out buff too. A pair of DRK's can just rotate their shields on whoever is tanking at the time and probably mitigate a solid 50% of all incoming damage. At ~111k max hp right now, you're looking at a TBN of over 26k when used on a tank.

Edge and Flood are nice additions, with Flood basically acting as a Dark Passenger replacement. Darkside is no longer a toggle and is now baked into Edge/Flood, so using it gives you 30s of 10% more damage, stacking up to 60s max. Upgraded at level 74 from Edge/Flood of Darkness to Edge/Flood of Shadow, the moves are oGCD with a shared 3s CD and hit like trucks 500 and 300 pot respectively. With Blood Weapon up mana comes in pretty quickly, aided by the buff to Crave and Spit also giving as much mana baseline as Syphon Strike does. Unfortunately BW only works on weapon skills now, so no mana gain from AA's or oGCD skills, but you do gain mana with your aoe combo now since it's now classed as a weapon skill and not a spell. The removal of Darkside as a toggle also means DRK gets natural mana regen of 200/tick, and each tick seems to happen on about 3-4s intervals, adding up to a decent chunk of mana over any given fight. Dark Missionary is a nice bit of raid utility, and the level 80 skill is a solid damage boost, if a bit boring. At least you can set it and forget it during certain mechanics and still technically be dealing damage.

Delirium is basically an Inner Release clone with MP gen tacked on to BS and Quietus 200 and 500 respectively. Unfortunately, Quietus doesn't get bonuses from hitting multiple targets anymore. You just get a raw 500 MP back per use of it when under Delirium, as long as you hit at least one enemy.

>Cons

Not too many. I'd like another combo besides the Souleater one, but the class doesn't lack for things to do most of the time. There is about a 10-20s downtime period where all your stuff is on CD and your stuck with the basic combo to generate mana/blood, and those moments suck. They can be mitigated to a degree by not stacking cooldowns, but that kinda goes against how you want to play with cooldowns. Getting BW and Delirium CD's rolling ASAP means more uses of them over the course of a fight, but unless you're careful you'll end up losing out on resources, especially blood, if you mistime them. So you're encouraged not to stack them too much on top of each other, which is a bit weird.

Overall, I'd like to see a bit more in the way of mana generation outside of Blood Weapon, CnS and the paltry drop you get from Delirium. The gain on Quietus under Delirium is fine, but BS only gets 200 per use, meaning you'll get at most 1k mana out of each Delirium. With natural regen that'll be about 1400-1600 mana, which simply half of an Edge. I'd like to see something done with Abyssal Drain and CnS besides what they have now. Both are 60s CD's, with CnS doing good damage with good MP return on it, and AB has the life drain effect baked in. Both are rather brainless to use; you just want to throw them as often as you can, with potential delays if you know you'll need some aoe healing/thread for adds or if you might cap on mana for some reason. I like both skills, and I'd like to see some kind of synergy, maybe with the lowering of cooldown if certain moves are used or other conditions are met. Something to help break up that 10-20s of downtime when BW and Delirium are both on CD and you have to sit on at least 3k mana for TBN.

Overall, when it's good it's great. Frenetic, lots of oGCD weaving and proper positioning to maximize your aoes and enough cooldowns, both offensive and defensive, to make you feel like you have a tool to handle most problems. The lacking factors are the MP regeneration when your CD's aren't active and the isolated nature of AB and CnS.

So the Coeurl mount and others that previously couldn't are now capable of flight.

>>16665010

Every mount can fly now, some are incredibly stupid the Behemoth for example just runs on air.

>>16665253

Is that Mark?

>>16665253

>fucking jew

Is the fastest way to level a DPS to 50 still PotD?

>>16665339

Yes, although it's worth it to do leveling roulette once a day for the bonus.

>>16665253

>>16665296

>fucking jew

>what's he doing on his gay cellphone?

>it doesn't stop making bing bing wahoo noises

>i wish Hitler had won

>>16665339

command missions if you got high enough npcs.

>>16660555

>wow is a better game than this anyway

not for a long time, too long.

>>16665701

That's the one minigame thing kept up with before Stormblood. Hopefully they're ready to go and it doesn't make me want to kill myself more than PotD.

>>16665657

Wrong? Not all. Efficient/quick? Hell no. Doesn't matter though; I've been leveling DNC almost exclusively via roulette and it's already 68. Only done HoH maybe 2 or 3 times to tick me up a level when I was done with roulettes for the day. Spamming palace or HoH is boring af. More enjoyable to do the MSQ while waiting in a roulette queue.

>>16665339

As of right now the roulette is, queues are insanely quick even for DPS it must pop instantly for healers and tanks judging by the speeds.

>>16665816

I've actually been getting DPS in Need for some of my queues and they still take a while. On Famfrit.

>>16665105

Behe always ran on air.

>>16665792

properly leveled the npcs cuts through mobs like butter while you get all the loot etc (great for farming the gear for glam in bryflox). when you do a new one on level you also get bonus for the chain. 20 minute AV for a full level is hard to beat.

>Slogging through the Stormblood post-game

>Finish Rise of a New Sun

>Wonder how far I am

>I just finished patch 2 and there are 3.5 more patches left

Fuck. I don't care about any of this Stormblood shit. Fuck the mhiggers. Fuck the nips. Fuck this whore. Fuck her old man bodyguard. The best area of Stormblood was the steppes and I haven't been there a single time during this whole shitshow. I miss Zenos. We were gonna be friends until he turned into his fursona.

AST main hot off the final boss here. In the end, I like the changes made to the cards. Personally I find myself doing more in fights than before.

The core loop with cards is basically the same: draw card, look at it, store it, redraw, or minor arcana. Now you just draw and redraw more frequently, and storing cards also casts a buff. AOE balance is now guaranteed every three minutes, and while you could potentially get them more frequently before, the minor arcana are strong enough to outweigh it now. Sleeve draw is especially fun in 8-man groups where you basically burn through four draws, rapid fire, with three redraws, trying to get the best buff for each DPS while casting them in the right order to set up your seals.

Coming off of the old system, it wasn't as fun at first. It basically became fun once I figured out how play it better.

Is there a way to ping individual servers? I have no idea what server to use since I don't know where the fuck is anything located

>>16666708

That's completely useless to determine what server is best unless I make a million fucking characters one on each server and then run the command on each one individually

>>16666735

>That's completely useless to determine what server is best unless I make a million fucking characters one on each server and then run the command on each one individually

You do it once for each datacenter but if you had to do it for each server you'd have to quit being such a bitch.

>>16666587

i prefer to rapid fire my draws directly after ive played Diviniation, for 14% buffs on 4 people

It's very strange to see such good writing mixed in with the usual. While the character plots and conflicts in Ahm Araeng revist were phenomenal the actual, physical conflict was nonsense.

>We need to get to the absolute Southern portion of the map

>Can't take the established way, Eulmore soldiers, that are far less threatening without Ran'jit, are there and they MIGHT cause problems.

>Only reasonable way South is this overly complicated trolley system

>Out of countless different propulsion methods available to normal science, let alone fantasy science, we settled on intricate automatons to push the carts

>They've all broken down and there is no way to move a cart on a track without them.

<I feel it would be a sinfully lazy writing, but canonically we can go back to the source whenever we want with whatever we have on us. It would be entirely possible that we could hop across the pond, have Cid make us a deus ex machina, and hop back.

<That said I wouldn't be surprised if they had us flip-flopping between worlds to solve problems in the 5.X MSQ

>The trolley itself isn't even necessary. We could just walk along the tracks.

>Lol nvm there's a gate blocking the way that ONLY a functioning golem can open.

>Door doesn't close behind it because it's a safety hazard.

>Someone at some point knowing full well the trolley system would fall into disrepair after the flood closed that door.

>Door opens by what seems to be a pressure plate. Okay just drop a rock on it or use Break :^).

>lol no it actually reacts to the golem's aether. Okay just pump some aether into the panel.

>Even if there is no reasonable failsafe for this gate there's still the elephant in the room:

>It's just some wood reinforced with iron.

>Last expac we bust down a massive fantasy steel gate using the Thaumaturge guild.

>This is just some old wood and rusty iron that Alphinaud's carbuncle could probably destroy let alone Y'shtola with a Foul of the Seventh Dawn.

>Failing everything else, just fucking climb. Ran'jit clearly did.

also

>Golem's mechanical failure is some broken circuits and a bad PSU.

>No one thinks to check the other golems for a functional PSU before resorting to an absolute statistical impossibility.

It still wouldn't have been perfect, but all they had to do is block your path with a cave-in that only a golem could move in a reasonable amount of time.

>>16667534

Tell us how often you get kicked from groups

A question to any euros playing, are EU data centers any good or is it better to take the connection hit and play on NA ones?

>>16667906

I play on Lich and never had any problems.

So if i'm getting this right from the dancer quest line that the dancer troupe has a dance that can draw out the negative emotions from people and banish it right?

Then why don't Dancers have a debufff ability?

New dungeon theme fuckin' slaps but i can't remember what original track its remixing.

>>16667962

Return you to normal isn't a debuff blackpill anon.

>>16668031

That's Alphascape 3 bro, the Omega (machine) fight.

>>16667171

but Hythlodeus also says that he doubts anybody but he will be able to see Ardbert and this leads me to believe he's us.

Innocence Extreme is a fucking pain with retards I swear. Stand in every fucking mechanic. Titania is a joke compared to him.

>>16668538

That's not how I interpreted it, but I can see where you're coming from. There's enough ambiguity there that it could go both ways.

Of course, if Ardbert and our WoL are fragments of the same soul, going back to Orbonne and seeing the comments there leads me to believe Ramza was also a fragment of the same soul. Were we the one who summoned Hydaelyn into being as a check on Zodiark?

Any advice for a FFXIV noob? After reading the posts here I'm thinking of re-rolling on Exodus (once they allow new chars) if more comfy people are there as I'm only lv24 on Diabolos.

>>16671145

as long as you didnt call them niggers you can report them

>>16671159

For what it's worth, world visits are a thing now. As long as you're on the same server group as Exodus you can visit that world and treat it as your own, including using the market board. I think the only thing you can't do is join an FC on another world.

I'm around level 75 almost 76. I'm assuming halfway through the MSQ.

How old is this new Minfila supposed to be?

Thancred keeps wanting to dick her down but everybody else, ESPECIALLY Yshtola, seems to oppose the idea.

She has tits so she is at least 10yo but this is Japan so unsure.