/v/ - Video Games

>>16638514

>Are shmups getting more or less popular?

I think the interest in STGs is pretty much the same it always has been, the community always fluctuated depending on releases. Changing the subject to the games why does ZeroRanger even have the 3 first stages? They are piss easy and the scoring is straight forward and without much room to improvements also popcorn enemies randomly shooting based on rank is shit, they should always shoot or never shoot don't make me have to check every single popcorn enemy because one of them might shoot a bullet I'm not ready for.

Gimmicky Shmups are more popular than horizontal shmups and more popular than actual vertical shmups.

>>16638825

Maybe for a short burst of time, then they lose popularity and people stick to the good stuff.

>>16638825

What even is a gimmicky shmup? Something like Ikaruga or just a game with gimmicky patterns?

>>16638825

>horizontal shmups

How can something be a shmup if you don't go up?

>>16639505

If anything you should be worried about horizontal shmups disguised as a vertical shmup all along, see: zeroranger

>>16640482

But Image Fight and Darius Gaiden are amazing, you bigot!

Recently got around to playing Eschatos, its ok but the music is solid

>>16640599

>ok but the music is solid

Been feeling the same about this right now.

>>16640618

Haven't played that one I'll look into it. Was thinking about getting Danmaku Unlimited 3. Some of the music for it sounds good and it looks fun

>>16640599

>Eschatos

that reminds me;

tfw Natsuki Chronicle never ever

Some wild shit in this

>>16641104

Actually looking for lost game, it's PC game very similar to Tyrian and was present near 2000es

Plot is advanced trough comic panels with cop and his commander, then there's shop with standard weapons/shields/generators, i do remember Plasma cannons have HUGE AOE and slow reload.

Enemies is pirates and later aliens.

>>16641032

I'd recommend blue revolver over zero ranger. For some reason I couldn't get into ZR, maybe it was the look and mecahnics…but BR is very nice, feels like a real shmup.

+10 points to whoever names the source/game of OP's meme

>>16641508

I remember a while back some people were saying to avoid Blue Revolver, what were the mechanics you didn't like in RZ, I kind of like the way it looks but overall don't know anything about the game itself.

I wonder has anyone beat this boss without dying? Without Tool-Assist?

Looks nearly impossible.

>>16641581

maybe it had bugs before? I tried it recently, plays very well. And it's getting an update soon. People gave it good reviews on shmup forums.

>>16642426

>rotating your crt

perfect autism

>>16642513

In 2012 or so, I worked a co-op at Blackberry. There was an analyst there named Jason who was the right amount of autism, and he had a shmup going on his work computer, rotated LCD monitor and everything

>>16641032

How is Shikhondo for scoring? Looks like a cool game. Might get it for PC

>on my switch

Careful with the Switch, it has high input lag for shmup. See this chart:

http://electricunderground.io/shmup-input-lag-database/

>>16642548

>muh input lag

Careful with that autism, you're not skilled enough for it to matter.

How long do you guys practice to 1cc a game?

also

still struggling to beat batrider

>>16642891

I'm not afraid to use level select or save states to try and understand something specific if that's what you're getting that. I should get back to Batrider again, I was pretty close to beating it without the service mode cheat a couple months ago before my computer died on me.

>>16642891

Oh wait, how long? Depends very much on the game. Some clears can come in a week of focused determination, some take years of casual play. I don't typically treat beating games like a job, so single-credit clears usually come after I've been playing and loving a game for a long time. There usually is a point where your attitude toward a shooter changes and you taking beating it "seriously" however.

>>16642166

Shit like this is why I will never have respect for CAVE. This is just poor design through and through

>>16642548

>scoring

You make big points by now dying and get bonus points for how much life and bombs you have at the end

>input lag

havent noticed anything major on the switch version, was going to buy the PC version regardless because I always buy shootem ups on everything

>>16641289

Jets'n'Guns?

>>16642891

Abuse save states, practice a lot, learn to recover in certain spots because you're not a god gamer, look at your replays and/or other replays.

>>16644049

If you think about it, it's all about how consistent your runs are rather than "oh man i got very close to beating the final boss one time a few months ago", because then you can transition into another autism: scoring.

>>16643088

>cave

>bad

Nah, cave is best by far.

Have you tried Ketsui, Mushi Futari 1.5, DDP, Ibara, Progear, Deathsmiles, Espgaluda 2, Esprade, etc? All very well designed.

But SDOJ was caves' last real shmup, they wanted to troll the fanbase a bit, because people were saying Cave became too easy. The designer said he hoped it would take about 5 years for someone to beat the last boss. They want full shmup on Inbachi's difficulty.

>>16645138

>They want full shmup on Inbachi's difficulty.

went*

why are there tubes on her tiddies? Is her ship milk powered?

>>16645516

It's powered by your arousal

>>16638779

>wah wah wah

lol

>>16645138

Most of those games have horseshit for scoring systems. Poor design.

>>16645872

What's your highest score?

Cave is known for it's deep and interesting scoring systems.

>>16645911

>Cave is known for it's deep and interesting scoring systems.

According to whom?

>>16645922

>According to whom?

Top shmup players, experts in the genre…

What don't you like about their scoring systems? Give me some examples.

>>16645938

>Dodonpachi

Make one mistake and hit the fucking reset button.

>Espra.de

Did a monkey design this unintuitive crap?

>Mushi Ultra

Forces you to play in a completely tedious and counter-intuitive manner. In fact I'd argue the latter is the problem with most of CAVE's haphazard scoring systems: they typically feel completely disconnected from the rest of the game they're inserted into.

>Ketsui

Same problem as Mushi, adds nothing substantive to the game except detraction from the rest of the action.

>Top shmup players, experts in the genre…

No, what you mean to say is "CAVE fans". Well sorry anon, but anyone can be a fan of anything. It doesn't make the thing good. I will say Espgaluda's system is pretty fun and actually feels like it's part of the game, while Dangun Feveron's scoring is serviceable.

Ibara's scoring is pretty nice too, but then that's hardly a CAVE game.

>>16645947

>Make one mistake and hit the fucking reset button.

Name one scoring system where making one mistake doesn't give you an inferior score as opposed to a run where you never made a mistake.

>unintuitive

>counter-intuitive

>tedious

>haphazard

>completely disconnected

>nothing substantive

Stop throwing around buzzwords as if they're arguments on their own like you're some low-tier YouTube video game reviewer and actually substantiate your point of view with a breakdown of the mechanics on why they're bad. Maybe that way you can actually manage to get across to others what the hell your problem with CAVE scoring systems is, because I can tell you that nobody can say for sure what it is when all you can list are subjective descriptors.

>they typically feel completely disconnected from the rest of the game they're inserted into.

How so, and why is this bad?

>Forces you to play in a completely tedious and counter-intuitive manner

In what kind of manner?

>adds nothing substantive to the game except detraction from the rest of the action.

How does it detract?

For fuck's sake man, your reasoning is on par with a middle schooler. Apply yourself.

>>16645982

Honestly I really like Jamestown's scoring system, where you could activate gain extra power that decreased your meter, but killing shit gave you more time on it, and you got bonus points if it naturally ended depending on the length

>>16640674

Fuck that, more like

Ginga Force never ever

Not even an emulator because of the redditfag fucking up the Xbox360 dev console

>>16645947

>>16645947

How to say absolutely nothing in 132 words.

>>16645982

>Name one scoring system where making one mistake doesn't give you an inferior score as opposed to a run where you never made a mistake.

You can use that logic to defend any scoring system. The problem is that it's such a massive drop in score combined with being so easy to do that it promotes the most autistic of perfectionist play right from the start with little option for casual lesson-learning. Now there are other shooters that pull off geometrically-rewarding chaining systems without being completely infuriating, because they some fair leeway in being able to "rescue" the chain after a mistake. Chaos Field, Radirgy, Raiden Fighters Jet, and Mars Matrix are some good examples of these.

>why is this bad?

Because the action tells you to play one way while the scoring system tells you to play in another. There's some gameplay dissonance going on which is usually not a sign of good game design.

>>16642166

Not that I am aware of, there was a Inbachi clear by lionmanggg 6 months after the release of the Xbox version I think, but due to his fishy replays and no clears on real hardware the japanese don't take his replays seriously, also fun fact the Saidaioujou isn't on the difficulty list due to the lack of clears.

>>16645947

>Same problem as Mushi, adds nothing substantive to the game except detraction from the rest of the action.

Bullshit, even the ship shotypes are made around point blanking, the scoring system in Ketsui detracts nothing it only adds, play a credit in Ketsui were you stay on the bottom the entire game and see the screen get filled with enemies due to the lack of range in your weapons.

>>16645861

The game just feels like they wanted to cram as many references as they could at the cost of gameplay, the devs even ignore the scoring they had going for the bosses on the undertale reference fight.They could barely make anything hard or interesting and resorted to popcorn enemies randomly firing aimed bullets so that you don't fall asleep which can also fuck up a scoring run.

>>16646159

Scoring is a perfectionist endeavor. Some Cave games are more forgiving than others though, Guwange is very unforgiving, but that doesn't make it's scoring system unworthy or bad, it just suits different people.

>Because the action tells you to play one way while the scoring system tells you to play in another.

Like where? Scoring and survival play aren't going to be 1:1, that would be far too shallow. Scoring is going to put you in unintuitive and risky situations by nature.

And you haven't explain what exactly youre referring to regarding Mushi Ultra, keep in mind Ultra is not for normal humans…there are original and maniac mode better suited for most people.

>>16645947

>>Top shmup players, experts in the genre…

>No, what you mean to say is "CAVE fans".

No I mean the best shmup players in the world inevitably tackle Cave games and enjoy scoring them, and have been doing so for 30+ years.

>>16646159

Oh actually Battle Bakraid is another good example of an enemy chaining system done right (though it could use more chainable enemies). Much better example than Raiden Fighters Jet.

>>16646175

I disagree, my argument is that scoring systems without much dynamic range to reward players at a range of different skill levels are fundamentally inferior in terms of game design. "Easy to play; hard to master" is what good game design is all about. Geometrically-rewarding chaining systems have a big danger of failing at the easy-to-play part, and it all predicates on how easy it is to drop the chain. Dodonpachi's enemy chaining system is basically either you ignore the system entirely or you master it, those are your only options for enjoying it.

>>16646170

>Bullshit, even the ship shotypes are made around point blanking, the scoring system in Ketsui detracts nothing it only adds, play a credit in Ketsui were you stay on the bottom the entire game and see the screen get filled with enemies due to the lack of range in your weapons.

Not quite, Ketsui's shot types are made around staying about a quarter or third above the bottom of the screen. Not point blanking.

>>16646159

>The problem is that it's such a massive drop in score combined with being so easy to do that it promotes the most autistic of perfectionist play right from the start with little option for casual lesson-learning.

So what, the problem is just numbers?

There is -functionally- no difference between dropping a chain in either Battle Garegga, Ikaruga, Dodonpachi or Mars Matrix. The only thing I imagine must make Dodonpachi stand out is because unlike Ikaruga/Battle games the chain bonus doesn't cap out and keeps going, but that doesn't magically mean you can't start with smaller chains and work from there. I could try to do a stage-long chain right off the bat, but that shit's too difficult so I just stick to the smaller ones.

>it promotes the most autistic of perfectionist play right from the start with little option for casual lesson-learning

Again, any scoring system does. That's what scoring systems do by design. You have to be more specific here.

>because they some fair leeway in being able to "rescue" the chain after a mistake

The difference is purely aesthetical; in Dodonpachi your entire chain drops after a mistake but in other games just a part of it may drop, however the drop in maximum scoring potential for your run is the same. How much of a problem this is depends on how frequently extends are doled out, though CAVE games usually only tend to give you two extends you can achieve with scoring max and one extra extend you find as a pick-up. Usually you only need to be good enough at scoring to get those two extends, which doesn't involve being able to perfectly play through the game.

>Because the action tells you to play one way while the scoring system tells you to play in another. There's some gameplay dissonance going on which is usually not a sign of good game design.

Scoring systems usually reward you with extra lives, which usually involve you doing more riskier stuff like point-blanking enemies in Ketsui to gain more score for those extends.

>>16646210

>Not quite, Ketsui's shot types are made around staying about a quarter or third above the bottom of the screen.

Yeah I used the wrong term but still the scoring doesn't detract anything from the core concept it only takes it to the extreme.

>>16645947

Soooo, how 'bout that Toaplan?

>>16646334

They're all right. Games typically had a lot of flash but little substance though. IREM and Konami were better.

>>16641546

ketsui

>>16645982

>Stop throwing around buzzwords as if they're arguments on their own

This, I'm surprised he never used "game feel". The whole post was vague as hell which leads me to believe he never actually played the games thus his opinion is worthless. It's just the typical "shit on games to fit in regardless of their quality" mentality of newfags on /v/.

>>16645516

Liquid cooling. The tubes pump and circulate coolant that is spread throughout her suit and the surface of her skin. The amount of heat the machine produces is large after all.

>>16649551

Is anyone from MileStone seeing anything good out of this, or is this just some parasite cashing in on its IPs? I miss KHDN so much.

>>16649835

>DARKENED.com

>>16643088

To be honest, that's just SDOJ. It was CAVE's last real shmup and they figured they'd just make the TLB bullshit difficult to give their fans something to work towards for the future, however most players just skip Hibachi in order to actually end their high-score runs with an actual clear. Most other CAVE TLB's are nowhere as close in the bullshit difficulty scale.

>>16649835

Tons.

>>16649981

Hellsinker > Crimzon Clover

>>16650137

Not really a fan of either

>>16650218

What's your doujin of choice?

>>16650237

Wish it didn't loop.

>>16649613

a few of the original radirgy staff members worked on swag.

Is this legit Inbachi clear? Are there any other replays of someone beating the true last boss in Saidaioujou??

>>16650134

dadshit

>>16650884

Settle down son, the grown-ups are talking.

>>16652903

because they're afraid someone will steal their secrets or more like, fume in rage over someone else getting a WR/good run, uploading a replay, and using a trick you think you invented.

>>16654348

Soukyugurentai

Hyper Duel

Dodonpachi

Gunbird

Strikers 1945 II

Batsugun

There's too many good ones, it depends what style you like.

>Thirty-five hours a week dedicated to gaming is clinically committable. That's a full working week for most of the general population.

>You really have no ground to be pushing your 'man-up', 'try-harder' views onto other people when you've frankly gone to absurd levels to achieve those goals.

You know, I remember not too long ago getting told by a certain dumbass I wasn't the 20th best player on here because I was only good at Futari and that truly good players get good scores in shitloads of games. Now I've proven I'm perfectly capable of getting decent scores in games not named Futari and that same dumbass still mocks me for being honest about how much I love this genre and how much time I sink in. I guess I just can't win. If only I had some of that Asian "natual talent". :cry:

But seriously, you look at any Arcadia magazine, or even that Chinese leaderboard site in x91's sig, very few guys get truly stellar scores in more than 1 or 2 games. Whether you just play a few hours a day for 2 years or be like me and do 5-10 hour sessions it takes a shitload of time to get good scores in any game. You can even look at that interview with HFD where he talks about how he got to where he was wondering why he was even still going but he didn't give up because unlike that dumbass he wasn't a fucking quitter.

Sure, maybe I could play less. Maybe I could be like the scores of casuals who only care about their meaningless "1cc list" built off Original modes and 1-ALLs. Or I could be like Icarus and be mediocre at everything. Or I could be like Sikraiken and just fake a bunch of STGT scores every year. But I'd rather just be me and that entails being honest about what it takes to get good and that yes, if your best accomplishment is barely getting past DOJBL's first loop you're trash. All I ask of you is to that consider that maybe instead of playing some non-shmup or ogling at your (not sealed) game horde you instead spend that time getting better at your favorite game. But whatever, just keep deluding yourself that DOJBL's first loop is the hardest game ever made and that Futari Ultra is impossible.

Some of you posting in this thread seem like low-iq niggers, I keep seeing your posts in other threads, this thread is pure aids and so are you, generals themselves are shit but having one for a whole genre is just retarded, fuck off.

>>16656113

>>16656113

it's a niche genre, if you don't like it, go away, shoo shoo

>>16656113

It's mostly the system11 rejects that need to return to their cancer forum.

>>16656179

>It's mostly the system11 rejects that need to return to their cancer forum.

Tell us everything that's wrong with that forum

>>16656218

Same thing wrong with every other namefag identity-orient forum: jerking off long-time posters accompanied with hostility to new ones with different ideas. This creates a cauldron of groupthink where people are afraid to speak their minds.

>>16656328

Now why does that sound familiar?

>>16656218

system11 is another hive for the cancer that is the cuck/vg/ shmup general, which is really just several autistic bipolar namefags jerking eachother off. See how quickly you can trigger them by praising Treasure or shit-talking beat 'em ups.

>>16656416

>See how quickly you can trigger them by praising Treasure

I'm fine with people enjoying or hating Treasure, as long as they both agree that Ikaruga is their worst game

>>16656466

They've made far worse games than Ikaruga, though.

See:

>Dragon D-Drive

<Stretch Panic

>Buster's Bad Dream

<Silpheed: The Lost Planet

>Bangai-O Spirits

<McDonald's Adventure

>Gunstar Superheroes

<Silhouette Mirage

>>16658366

>Is Gus still stuck in this mindset when people like Bananamatic, Jaimers and maybe RB completely prove him wrong?

His git gud mindset isn't different from theirs.They just play more variety of games. Their hours and effort invested is still huge.

>>16658378

He thinks you need to be a no life loser to be good at these games when Bananamatic only plays a hour and a half every day but is still able to do a lot of progress and get good scores. His git gud mindset is just self destructive, it puts the game above all else, when in reality if you aren't you good shape you will make more mistakes and might not be able to make good progress.

>>16658397

>He thinks you need to be a no life loser to be good at these games

Nope, some people need to play more than others, but Gus praised SPE for getting great results in Deathsmiles but with far less play time, just lots of consistency over the years. He promotes getting gud at the games you like, if you can do it more efficiently than him that's better.

> Bananamatic only plays a hour and a half every day

Good for him.

>>16656437

>post high-scores

To compete with autofire pussies?

>>16658736

Whew, nice projection.

>>16658749

wot u play?

>>16658760

Image Fight, you?

>>16658736

>cope

>>>/cuckchannel/

Which season does Simpson’s go to shit again? Thinking of rewatching it.

>>16659335

Just watch it from the beginning until it stops being good.

Ok guys, i'm newfag in shumps, is there a recommendation for begginers or am i ok starting with stuff like Twin Bee, R-Type and Gradius?

>>16659448

pick whatever, fantasy zone

>>16659448

Try out the Thunder Force series, it's not as hard as other games that came out the same time but covers all the basics and has a fantastic soundtrack.

just avoid playing Ikaruga

>>16659863

Watching that player skip so many powerups is physically painful to me.

>>16659448

find a cool looking game and keep playing it, I liked cute things so I started with Cotton 2.

>>16659890

This game looks pretty cool

>>16659871

Powering up even a little causes the enemies to fire more shots at you. Notice how even the shield was dumped deliberately.

Any good SHMUPS with explicit lewdness? I used to love Sentimental Shooting back in the day and I'd like to play more of those.

>>16659937

Caladrius Blaze might be what you're looking for

>>16659937

Rumble Storm, see this clip >>16645516

And Caladrius Blaze is actually a really good shooter, also has waifus/lewds.

>>16659448

Check out Gradius Gaiden and Darius Gaiden, they are good and not too punishing at the start.

Giga Wing is also very cool, not too hard until the last two stages, and the final boss is brutal.

>>16659890

Tengai/Sengoku Blade is an acquired taste, it doesn't have much freedom of movement, it's not flashy, the music is toned down, and it's a heavy memorizer, I wouldn't really recommend it to new players.

I'm really enjoying bullet heaven 2

It has some questionable mechanics, but its very easy to get into and fun.

>>16659335

Season 8

>>16659496

I played it in Yakuza 0, it's fun, will beat it one day.

>>16659551

Heard about these, the soundtrack is indeed neat.

>>16659863

How is the SNES version in difficulty? I know it has a patch for slowdown so that's not much of a problem now.

>>16659886

>>16659966

Thanks for the recommendations, i will check them, in the meantime i ended up playing Cho Ren Sha, which i found pretty fun and loved the soundtrack.

>>16660362

SNES Gradius III is actually one of the easiest Gradius games, partly because of the extreme slowdown. Haven't tried the new slowdown-free ROMhack yet, but I expect it probably makes some parts of the game extremely challenging.

>>16660371

Played it with another variant of the slowdown removal thing, can confirm it's hard as fuck.

How do you guys usually get better, do you start on the hardest difficulty and go from there until you get good or do you start from normal and work your way up?

>>16660380

>>16660371

Dang. Now i'm unsure whether to use the patch or not

>>16660381

normal/arcade settings.

pick a shmup you like and isn't too crazy, (some are easier than others)

check where it falls on "The Jap List"

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1157621#p1157621

Then read some of this thread: How to practice STGs

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30458

>>16660381

I start and stay on whatever appears to be the intended difficulty of arcade games. When I finally beat one and still feel like coming back for more, then I start tweaking things.

>>16660386

If you use the sqame way as I did (play via RA on the SNES9X core with slowdown removal) there's several settings, light should be noticeably less slow but not too horribly hard, the other two you should avoid unless you want a real challenge.

>>16660390

I would ignore most of this pretentious faggotry and just keep playing a game you like until you win. If you try to make it more complicated than that and approach "the STGs" like they're a fucking job, that's a good ticket to decreased enjoyment and burnout.

>>16660400

Nah, the Jap List is kind of useful if you're starting out to understand the playing field. There are big differences between a 40 rated Shmup and a 4 rated shmup.

And the strat section is decent.

It helped me a lot and I'm having a lot of fun.

>>16660465

>>>/twitchattentionwhores/

>>16660385

Isn't that the game with the impossible last boss where you have to die and only discovered a new way to beat it sometime last year?

congrats

>>16660557

This game has Ultra mode [which is insane] and the "true last boss" is nearly impossible, sure, but some people can beat it. see Ultra Boss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrPLhATu9pU

I'm playing in Original mode, which is easier but still a challenge for me. Now I'm going to work on my scoring.

>>16660381

not killing leads to less enemies or new enemies

don't look at your ship, instinctively know your hitbox

move diagonal to move slower, move even slower against the edge of the screen

move up and down to dodge

micro dodge > macro dodge

>>16660385

Congratulations.

>>16659042

Try to stay focused when you aren't getting good sleep, it's not the amount of practice that's important it's the quality.

>>16660557

That's Aki from Mushihimesama, the strat is pretty old, if I'm not wrong it was featured on the superplay dvd, but people never executed it because it was balls to the wall hard and routes were still not that well optimized.

>>16660775

>move up and down to dodge

This is one of the biggest piece of advice anyone can give it's very helpful when dealing with diagonal bullets, moving against them is also pretty helpful. I disagree on the macro dodge part though in my opinion the less you have to dodge the better.

>>16660832

how does Saidaioujou run on the 360?

>>16660851

I haven't thought much about how well it runs. The 360 mode is nice as it raises the resolution compared to arcade and the high res sprites are not shit.

I played a bit of Saidaioujou on arcade while in Japan and I don't notice much difference in terms of slowdowns on the 360, but I'm no expert on the matter.

>>16662199

KAMUI

RefleX

ALLTYNEX Second

QP Shooting - Dangerous!!

Xmas Shooting - Scramble!!

Mecha Ritz: Steel Rondo

Danmaku Unlimited 2/3

>this exists

Jesus.

>>16659335

Thee xact moment where you should stop is the 2nd episode of Season 9, where Skinner is shown to be a person who stole the identity of another man named skinner, throwing down the drain 8 seasons of character development for the sake of novelty.

Season 9 is where you watch until you feel you should stop, because it's when it starts to decline. After Season 9 the quality goes down and you should stop.

>>16656416

>he doesn't like bmups

Get a load of this fag.

>>16665252

Always thought they were a super shallow genre myself, particularly the isometric kind. There's lots of good 2D-only and fully 3D ones though.

>>16665383

Capcom smothered the genre. Play Denjin Makai 2, you'll get it.

>>16668238

Rather play keksui

>>16668301

t. boring person

>>16662199

Game Tengoku CruisinMix Special

I don't know why but the second level of Shikhondo always gives me the most trouble for some reason.

>>16669369

git gud

banging track

>>16660371

>>16660393

>>16660386

Try out the gradius 3 sa1 hack, it's built to work on real hardware too.

>>16673560

>needing a fan patch to make a game playable

just play gradius gaiden or 4

>>16673614

why play those when you could be playing the only good gradius game

>>16673614

Toss that junk and play Gradius II or Rebirth.

>>16674560

>Gradius

>>16674560

V is pretty good but the others are good as well.

>>16677929

casual

>>16677957

>Shitty design tailored specifically for arcade cabinets to milk coins our of you

>Good

I'd rather beat the game and have patience to spare. How about you go right back to training how to crawl like the dumb baby you are whenever you stumble while on a walk?

>>16677929

>>16677984

Wow anon, you sure told us.

>>16677929

>>16677984

>perfect port of the game

>it's bad

I don't know what you were expecting

>>16677984

>wtf I ran out of continues why can't I continue

get good you casual and fuck off back to your personal cockputer faggot

>>16678008

As long as it bothers you, I'll keep using savestates until shmups are as wrecked in the rear as your mum after I visited. There's nothing you can do to stop me, scatterbrains.

>>16678015

get good you casual and fuck off back to your personal cockputer faggot

>>16678768

Nah, just doing it for fun. I don't have autism. It's a fucking videogame.

>>16678005

A perfect port of a game's flaws.

>>16679303

>Nah, just doing it for fun. I don't have autism. It's a fucking videogame.

If it's just a videogame then there's no point in exerting additional effort into saying you don't want to put autistic levels of effort into playing videogames. That's contradictory.

I always savestate through a game nowadays to make sure I'm going to really enjoy all of the game before I decide to dedicate my life to it.

>>16679471

But then the other kids wouldn't notice how much of an ebig channerxD™ he is.

How much are you willing to pay for an indie shmup with great/tight/enticing gameplay (scoring system, patterns, controls, features/gimmicks(if any)) but with SHIT production value? Let's also throw in no DRM and physical release.

Personally I've come to the point where I don't want to even pay for games anymore, even being DRM-free isn't enough to make me put my hand in my wallet. Pretty sure DRM-free boxed would, but that's a pipedream at that point.

When I see a new indie shooter released I just can't get myself to really care. They generally with not a too bad production value considering the team size/talent involved, but they are boring to play, they have difficulties coming up with interesting patterns and the classic patterns are misused, enemy placement doesn't really get you pumped up, it feels more like a chore to clear the screen, like there was no thought put behind designing the stages. And, and that's the subject, they are almost never under $10 despite their low replay value, which I find expensive considering there are quite a few good shooters available for free.

You. How much money do you throw at them?

>>16681806

Give me a built-in leaderboard with accessible replays and I'm willing to shell out up to whatever $30 was in 1990 today.

I bought tonight

Revolution Ace

Star Saviors

Overdriven Reloaded

And

DEEP SPACE WAIFU (anime titties galore)

because of this thread. Thanks.

>>16683257

Sounds like a lot of hot garbage.

>>16683175

>I'm willing to shell out up to whatever $30 was in 1990 today.

That would be $60. Having leaderboards would go against the cheap production aspect though. Because it means having server upkeep. Even more so if the replays are also hosted by the game maker.

Servers can get pretty cheap, especially if you self host, but it's still a continuous flow of money going away.

how much does Garegga PS4 go for? (sealed copy)

>>16684797

>(sealed copy)

I feel like this is one of those phrases that should be targeted for auto-bans.

>>16685180

That's right. Don't be curious, don't ask questions, lurk moar while the scolds wag their fingers.

>>16685420

The only people who use phrases like that are scalping video game speculators.

>>16687004

Because fuck Cave/Ikeda for dumbing down Toaplan shumps in their final years.

>>16687660

Dangun Feveron is better than all Toaplan shmups thought, go figure.

>>16689038

though*

>>16689038

Nah. Dangun is better than other Cave games but still shit compared to Yuge/Uemura Toaplan.

Also, Air Gallet > Dangun.

>>16692668

>bland junk

style over substance fag detected

>>16692976

Well yeah I already stated it here

>>16646360

>>16692976

>separating form from content

yikes, we have a brainlet on the loose here.

>>16683465

I just wanted to know how I did in terms of quality, assface.

>>16683465

I dunno maybe to you im having you know, fun

>>16692668

Lol no, early Raizing shmups are extremely boring and their later games are ruined by jankiness thanks to Yagawa's autism.

Most overrated company next to CAVE.

>>16705148

What kind of jankiness? Is it faster diagonal movement, the rotation of the turrets, the rank or are you talking about the slow backwards movement of Mahou Daisakusen which predate YGW games.

Hellsinker soon.

>>16707744

Hellstinker is too weird.

>>16708250

It's schizophrenia: the shmup.

>>16708324

A lot, PC and switch I know of, currently playing on PC.

>>16732950

Can you tell me how the Switch feels in terms of input lag for fighting games and shmups?

>>16732954

Personally, I can't really tell, I use the Mini-hori stick, though it seems Switch's input latency is the worse from the charts I've seen, so your mileage may vary.

bump

Jamestown+ is coming to Switch.

It won't have mouse control though, which is a bummer, but I hear it will support tate.

>>16747503

I remember having that on steam but have no idea why I deleted it.