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No. Most mmos are dead. Dead, dead. The 2000's and even the 2010's are over. Bye

Someone name a good MMO. Doesn't have to be an RPG. I already know about Planetside.

>>16631683

Ryzom

>>16631683

Foxhole.

>>16631683

Also, Legends of Aria?

>>16631723

Ooh Foxhole is great. Actually had to do some trig one time I was spotting for an artillery.

>>16631683

depends what you looking for, korean grind with pretty waifus or western themepark? even fucking destiny can be called a mmo.

>>16631567 (OP)

>mmos

Back to reddit.

>>16631567 (OP)

I enjoyed it. But each campaign is a few hours too long. I've almost finished Factions but put it down for a while.

You looking for a co op partner or something?

>>16631901

I guess that would be nice. It is pretty hard (but doable) to level my necro (currently lvl 9) in the Northlands of Pre-searing.

But I think having someone to farm charr with would make it a bit more bearable.

>>16631949

I didn't mean for autism, I meant for doing campaigns.

>>16631964

Oh, then no, campaigns are not too hard with heroes.

>>16631966

They're not but playing with a bro is more fun.

>>16631979

Yeah, I think your're right. But apart from me helping out with mobs, I do not think I am all that exciting to play with.

>>16632178

Because it's a fucking tutorial area. It wasn't supposed to be some faggot circle jerk.

One day I need to resume it. It's mechanically better than GW2 and a lot more solid, but some of its UI is clunky and big feeling and it feels a bit slow in pace and fighting stuff feels repetitive. I'm pretty early in the game and playing along a friend. Last mission of Shiverpeaks, I think, in Factions. I feel bad I've been dropping the ball on that.

>>16631567 (OP)

I play it every once in awhile. There's some activity still, and you can find Random Arena matches in EU primetime pretty easily.

I really should. I got a copy of GW1 and GW2 a year ago, played them both a bit, and immediately uninstalled GW2 while keeping GW1 for when I had a bit more time to devote to it. The thing is, I just don't really have the time or motivation to sink hundreds of hours into online games these days. That's time I could have spent trying something new.

It also disqualifies the vast bulk of pseudo-MMO AAA GaaS shit, so I have more time to go back and play actually good games - rather than getting distracted by new shit.

>>16631683

Guild Wars

>>16632472

mah man

8ch guild when?

>>16632178

Yeah, I did that like 3 weeks (over they course of 5 months) before they changed it to daily quests.

Feels fucking cheated.

Also: yes, it was added at a later part by Arenanet as an recognition of the extreme autism that some people showed.

the presearing community was always pretty strong and the only instance that is pretty much cut off from the rest of the game, so some people just wanted to be swag as fuck and found out that the leveling mechanics actually apply to both you, and the enemies

DLving was actually pretty easy when you know what to do. It just takes a shitton of time. Play for 10 mins, leave the game open for 10 hours, play again for 10 min. Impossible if it wasn't for GW's lenient disconnection reconnects.

Also, it was just the last 4 levels, as you can get to 16 by just farming the bosses.

man, I hate that you can now just fucking grind dailies for a weekend and still get the title.

it doesn't even make sense, because it was supposed to be like an alternative to survivor, both of them mutually exclusive.

now you can actually get both of them, as long as you are a Prophecies character.

likey why? why was this necessary

>>16631567 (OP)

I go back from time to time, since the game still works well enough for single-player. It's disheartening to see how small the community has become, though. Fuck GW2 for existing and being as shit as it is.

>>16631683

Guild Wars

>>16631567 (OP)

Excellent engine for PvP, horrible engine for PvE and horrible story, campaigns, level design, gameplay for PvE.

The art style was very pretty, but it only made the blueballing all that worse due to the shitty controls and fixed pathways which didn't let you jump and explore.

I miss pre-Searing. Gas the Charr, race war now, 1488.

>>16632488

I could invite you to the one that exists if you leave names. It's pretty dead though.

>>16633170

Out of all the ways GW2 ruined the franchise, I think how they handled the Char is one of the worst.

>they wuz good boyz, noble savages, da hoomanz was oppressin' dem

Fuck's sake.

>>16633236

I know right? Also, am I misremembering or did one of the devs come out to defend the dog cock interpretation of the Charr because penis barbs like real cats would scare the furries away?

>>16633140

If you could jump and "explore" in gw1 you'd have gw2.

>>16631746

>MMOs are reddit

I think you got the wrong imageboard, cuckchan is two doors down.

>>16635082

The gameplay on the other hand was much better.

>>16635129

MMOs have always been skinnerboxes for kids and whales. Now that the nostalgia wave has hit all the crap ones redditors played as a kid like this and Runescape they're suddenly considered anything but shit.

>>16635205

MMO gameplay was skinner box but at the time it was the only way to really do a big open world game. Nothing else had the time or resources to do it. Now we get yearly far cry games.

>>16635224

We had open world singleplayer rpgs with actual content though.

>>16635227

Not really. It was mmos where the tech became more possible than doom with open fields.

>>16635324

It's skyrim with other players running around. What more needs to be said?

every mmo i look at i see what could have been great RPG

but its destroyed by pisspoor grinding, fetch quests and walls of text

>>16635324

Just my personal gripes but it does suffer a bit from an obtuse agro system that leaves a great deal of the gameplay being everyone self-sustaining. Combat is good, but it only has three triggers - Block while gold sparks, interrupt while red sparks, stay out of red ground. There's a pretty noticable lack of buff/debuff mechanics in group content too which contributes to it feeling quite shallow.

Really, it is pretty fun, in a way it's a lot like Guild Wars - it's a single-player game that has grouping.

>>16633236

This pisses me off to no end.

>>16632218

They shouldn't have made it the best part of the game then.

>>16636691

>Really, it is pretty fun, in a way it's a lot like Guild Wars - it's a single-player game that has grouping.

With one huge difference -

Guild Wars without a group effectively becomes a tactical game where you're controlling an 8-man team, solo. Even by yourself, the game is designed around group content. ESO, just like every MMO that isn't Guild Wars, is fundamentally a single-player game with a few instances you need a group for. Which is why despite all of the bitching people give about how Guild Wars is "just a single player game pretending to be an MMO" or other gay shit, it's one of the only ones that truly gets "multiplayer".

>>16635324

>gameplay / end game wise TESO sucks?

shit launch to the point you couldn't even properly quest together, run-of-the-mill themepark which meant you outlevel content constantly if you wanna do story in order, slapping on veteran ranks after zos noticed shortly before release cyrodiil sucks as endgame (the irony is VR burned people out even harder), but then still only had cyrodiil as endgame for weeks/months etc.

it improved leagues with TU, but that took over a 12-18 months and first impressions are hard to shake

>The business model is shit

probably the fairest in the business. yeah, they have lootbox shit but that's cosmetic only and you get plenty of free shit on the side instead of constantly getting pushed to the store (like gw2), gear cap means you only need the dlc for the story etc and possible slight improvement (last time I checked BIS still came from mostly from vanilla stuff), everything besides the last chapter is in the sub so you could drop down 15 bucks, play through it in a month and still keep the unlocks (like skill-lines etc).

>>16636691

>obtuse agro system that leaves a great deal of the gameplay being everyone self-sustaining.

nothing obtuse about it. tanks don't have aoe-taunts (and iirc taunts are temporary only), heals aren't directed which means everybody has to pull it's weight and stick together instead of simply mashing rotations and watching green bars. I agree the combat can feel somewhat janky (especially solo) but a good group that clicks is fucking great.

>There's a pretty noticable lack of buff/debuff mechanics in group content too which contributes to it feeling quite shallow.

due to it being more "action" combat, watching debuffs for cleanses etc. wouldn't really work in eso. the triggers become more important when stuff can oneshot you so you constantly watch what the boss is doing instead looking at a buff bar, or it's implemented into the boss fight itself like DCII

>it's a single-player game that has grouping.

cause if you wanna sell a game to enough people it needs to be able to be played solo to some extend, especially shit as expensive as an mmorpg that needs a big playerbase. there's nothing wrong with singleplayer content, all depends how it's implemented.

>>16637127

>Guild Wars without a group effectively becomes a tactical game

a shit tactical game. heroes are a bandaid, else the game would be completely dead

> Even by yourself, the game is designed around group content.

if you can play with yourself alone it's not group content, same way using both hands is not an orgy.

>>16631683

>>16635324

I'm having fun with ESO. No sub, combat is enjoyable, lots of stuff to do without having to buy the DLC packs. If you liked Skyrim for what is was (I liked Skyrim) then you'll probably like ESO because it's a bit deeper than Skyrim.

>>16636691

>lack of buff/debuff mechanics in group content too which contributes to it feeling quite shallow.

I don't think so. I'm playing a warden and my instance runs are nothing but me cycling my heals/buffs on the group and positioning myself so I can hit everyone. Debuffs seem to be similar with DPS, and tanking, while not aoe based, is there. Granted tanking is more about pushing your taunt on the big guy every 15 seconds while blocking, interrupting, managing your resources, and letting dps smash the trash, but tanking is there. GW2 had zero tanking/taunting and that made it absolutely miserable to play (I like to heal/support and the meta became about maximizing power/crit and stacking on the bosses).

>>16639473

I think he meant more like wow where you have to watch for debuffs, plan how/when to cleanse or stacks so you have to tankswap etc.

>GW2 had zero tanking/taunting and that made it absolutely miserable to play (I like to heal/support and the meta became about maximizing power/crit and stacking on the bosses).

fun fact, the expansions introduced player taunts and main heals (because that's why people roll a ranger, to become a healslut).

it's still just putting lipstick on a pig since it's still based around their whole combo-field gimmick that only sounds great on paper and everybody is stacking together for max efficiency in a particle cloud so it doesn't really matter who has aggro anyway.

add to pretty much all of their designers being fucking shit they couldn't even utilize the combat they had properly. the only one remotely fun is SE story mode. they were even to incompetent to copy TSW which released a month earlier and shat all over gw2 dungeons. now they try to copy ff14 instead.

>>16635205

How was GW1 a skinnerbox? There was a single set of gear you got at max level, that was very cheap, and that was it. You didn't get any stronger gear, there was no higher gear than that single set you bought. You've clearly never even fucking played it if you say something so stupid, so why don't you fuck off back to reddit with the rest of the retards who like to pretend to know about games they never even touched.