/v/ - Video Games

>>16630915

Is that Rudy?

>>16630923

WHO?

>>16630938

He's a MTG collector

Yes, there are games that feature standard locomotion and not teleportation

Yes, there are actual games in VR, some are, ports of already existing games, sure.

Unfortunately a lot of VR dev studios are brand fucking new and don't have any real experience outside of "neat thing in VR that's kind of like The Lab/ Steam Home, but also not really".

Also, and here is a fair warning for you, if you DO try to do standard locomotion, try to stay at your natural walking speed unless you are immensely good at handling motion sickness.

>>16630972

I have a headset dude, the issue is like 90% of the people you slap a headset on immediately just fall face first if they try any form of first person locomotion

oh snab last vr thread is one bump away from death >>>/v/16500870

>>16631051

While it's more of a limited garrysmod esque fuck around simulator, Steamhome is potentially getting a walking locomotion update.

>>16631061

>limited garrysmod esque fuck around simulator

How is that any different than vr chat.

>>16631051

are either of those single player?

>>16631067

Entity complexity is much better in SteamVR, but it has a super limited community because you can't just throw in any model as an avatar, also I think it doesn't have a no headset mode

vrchat game worlds, pavlov, onward, blade and sorcery.

>>16631070

Both are multiplayer FPS. I'm sure theres a bot mode, but whats the point of doing that with that type of game.

>>16631081

I get what you're trying to say but I have never enjoyed multiplayer fps games.

VR loli daughterfus? Sign me up!

>>16631158

>>16631120

>>16631167

Too bad he removed all the porn.

>>16631199

What porn was there? I only saw the cute wedding video.

>>16631199

He said he removed the porn so that he could focus on other aspects of it instead of spending all day wacking his dick. He also said he'd bring it back when he was ready. Unless he's said something recently about not doing sex content at all. She already has a fully modeled vagina and multiple poses ready made. If he decides not to add the content someone else will.

>>16631120

hot trash.

>>16631741

he said pron is not coming back

>>16630958

>dev studios are brand fucking new and don't have any real experience

yes, and all staffed with college graduates!

>>16631070

>single player?

buy a psvr, buy farpoint + aim bundle if you're mainly into singleplayer fps.

>>16631741

>he said

>>16631812

>he said

And yet, no source for any of this.

>>16631855

>make claims without any evidence

>be outraged someone doesn't believe you

Fuck off outta here with this "it's not my job to educate you" bullshit. A screencap would be more than enough proof and Ctrl+F with "porn" or his tripcode would easily find whatever post proves your claim.

You're just being a lazy shit-stirrer nigger.

>>16630970

As someone who has an entire room dedicated to VR.

Frequently plays Blade and Sorcery, and has about 800 in total VR Time.

Porn is so pitifully underwhelming in VR that it makes question my own mortality.

>>16631929

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I MEED TO REMOVE THIS FUCKING FLAG

>>16631942

>proving my points

He did not "remove the porn", he stopped working on it and his current rig isn'tcompatible with the previous animations, that's pretty much what pic 3 is.

It does not "prove your point" at all since you claimed it was removed.

>>16631942

>what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Stop being a lazy piece of shit you fucking nigger.

Edge of Nowhere was pretty good.

It's a third person game weirdly enough based on the Mountains of Madness. Gameplay isn't super deep and is mostly a trek forward but does have combat where you need to time ice pick swings or sneak around to hit freaks in the back. The weakest of guys die in one normal his, the next one up can be hit in the back or take a few hits, then there's a sound sensitive blind one which is hard to kill, and a big nasty who sucks all around. Though there is a shotgun with limited ammo to handle tight spots but using it attracts everyone (Though it pierces so you can line up shots).

Beat Saber is a rhythm game, not movement sadly but it does demand a lot of coordination. Cubes come flying at you with the music, each needs to be cut in a certain direction or you lose health. Multiple difficulties and modes to play with,

To the Top is sort of movement heavy but your arms control your movement by just flinging yourself instead of teleporting, needing to grab shit. Jet Island is similar but you're on a jets.

Moss I don't think has teleporting movement. You play as some spirit thing helping a mouse on an adventure, it's a puzzle/adventure game. I've yet to play it myself so I can't tell you if it's good or not, but the idea is interesting.

VR chat of course has some maps that play like actual games but they're all sorta janky. But they give a Gmod feel which is good if that's your thing. Capture the flag is a particularly good one.

I'd also suggest checking out itch.io for some stuff. There's a handful of interesting games on there, not very long but free so might as well check them out. Cubism was fun, it's a puzzle game where you need to take tetris pieces and fit them into a shape. Starts 2D but the 3D ones are hard.

COMPOUND is rough but good. It's a shooter, plays like one and is satisfying. Worth saying though all VR shooters are kinda slow paced but that's expected since you need to actually aim a gun and most people can't do that.

Tea for God is a similar deal but much smaller scale. The gimmick there is your play area is the whole map so you can only walk around these tight little corridors filled with murderous robots. It's actually pretty good even if you do get dizzy.

A Guy and his Hero is another one kinda like Moss but very easy. Help a little hero get through town, nothing more to it. It's short but nice if you just want to see something cute for a bit.

Also worth saying there are a few programs out there to run non VR games in VR, even if kinda janky.

>>16630873

If by thumbstick you are implying "played with a controller" then no, there are no good VR games that require a controller. It defeats the point of VR.

There are plenty of VR games where you look with your face. 99% of them infact. If you are just using the headset as a camera controller then you are retarded, however.

There are shitloads of games with a gameplay loop for VR. And a reason to play more than once. And not just porn. Protip: Anything made by a AAA is shite, just like on PC and consoles. Money does not make good games.

But I suspect you could've figured this out for yourself if you really wanted too. It takes about 30 mins to find good VR games. I'm willing to bet this is more of a "I'm too poor to afford VR so say something about it which will give me an excuse to shit on it" kind of post though.

playing shinobu waifu simulator reminded me of my 2nd gf

Finally anon is realizing that VR has literally never been about making video games.

>>16632566

It's actually very cool.

>>16631834

mate of mine was using his vive (not pro) with a 970 back then. but why go an index anyway?

>>16630978

So you mean the aforementioned 5% of the populous?

>>16632559

I don't know about the porn, but he could have at last kept the nude. What a wast.

>>16632657

there's plenty of polygon pussy around

>>16631865

>>be outraged someone doesn't believe you

No one is outraged. Just don't give a fuck what you think.

>>16630873

Just played the Compound demo and it looks pretty good despite being EA. It's made by one guy who seems to understand the potential of vr.

>>16630972

>5%

Try 75%, faggot. People have done research on this shit. Studies showed that 25% never get motion sick, 25% always get motion sick and 50% get sick initially, though can adapt to it with time.

It depends on the game as well. The three things that cause motion sickness are the line of horizon moving up and down (mainly by going up and downhill in racing games and roller-coasters), the character's acceleration going from 0 to 100 instead of gradually (this caused a lot of motion sickness in Minecraft particularly) and things popping in from the sides of the screen into your peripheral vision. That last one is solved by darkening the edges, or at least the corners, of the screen, or creating a flashlight-esque effect. This is why Resident Evil 7 was one of the VR games that caused the least motion sickness.

Also, a reminder that Bonerwarts IS HLVR.

>>16633008

>Try 75%

You mean 25%. You just said it yourself.

>>16633052

He implied that 5% ever get motion sick at all. It's 75%. 25%, however, stay motion sick. It depends on the game to ease players into it. Like I said, RE7 didn't cause nearly as much motion sickness as Minecraft and similar games.

>>16633060

Well that 25% should kill themselves for being colossal pussies.

>>16633104

By that you mean having functional brains, right?

The reason they get motion sick is because they do not feel with their other senses what they see. Their brains think they are being poisoned and make them nauseous in hopes of vomiting said poison up. It's evolutionary. If you NEVER get motion sick from VR, that just means you're an evolutionary mistake and will probably walk into oncoming traffic or impale yourself on a pencil or something.

I've never been immersed in a video game ever. I've had tetris effect syndrome before, but I've never felt "immersed" in a game while playing and that includes vr. I don't get any kind of motion sickness because I'm incredibly aware that I have a tv strapped to my face.

That being said the only real draw of VR to me is hands. The motion and touch controllers can be a very fun way to interact with game worlds if devs figure out how to do it without making it wii waggle busywork.

>>16633060

don't forget everybody has a different sensitivity and reacts to different things. I can go sanic but the moment I smooth turn I can feel my brain cramp.

as for the 25% never getting motion sick is hard to believe, have to wonder how far they went it the test.

>>16633123

> It's evolutionary. If you NEVER get motion sick from VR, that just means you're an evolutionary mistake and will probably walk into oncoming traffic or impale yourself on a pencil or something.

If that were the case, then you're motion sickness numbers would be a lot lower than 75%/25% as those people would be dieing off a lot more. Instead, those people are doing shit that cause motion sickness like: riding/driving cars and boats, riding/piloting planes, riding rollercoasters, riding horses, ect. It's not that all those people whose brains are broken, it's yours. You're the pussy that can't adapt.

>>16631097

How is old miku better?

I have a Vega 64 for VR and while it's fun and all there really isn't much out there which is unique or fun.

There's no competent boxing game, nothing in the realm of a Steel Battalion or even a tank simulation. It's just an overall mediocre experience. There are a couple of shooters which are kinda fun to play every now and again, but for the most part it's all just boring as sin.

VR horror needs to take off before I begin buying any new titles.

>>16633235

Back to /b2/ copefag

>>16632639

Breaking it down

5% Start vomitting near immediately after moving and can't stand up

10% dry heave really badly and usually puke after going slightly too fast

Another 10% seem to handle manual locomotion ok but get badly nausous at cliffs

45% tip the fuck over whenever stopping from moving slightly too fast

The rest seem to handle manual locomotion OK without much issue

>>16633600

>only play VR games at a friend's place

>get physically disoriented at fast movement while standing, eg Pavlov etc - move and have to fight to keep my balance

>totally fine while seated during driving/flight sims

>try out that rollercoaster thing

>almost immediately feel like I'm going to puke, like I'm talking three seconds into it

I mean, I'm older than most on here, but even I feel like it's something you get used to, unless it's running at like 15 fps

this is all super cute but VR isn't that convincingly real. The people they studied must have been fucking schizophrenic

>>16633623

You're in the 45%

>>16633623

How old are you, mate?

>>16633623

It takes a while to get used to VR locomotion, used it for like 2 weeks every day for a few hours until i stopped being nauseous because of it

>>16630972

You can just go to settings and change the locomotion to regular moving instead of teleporting in serious sam. That being said the game worked well except it crashing like 13 times during the final mission

>get vr

>get fbt

>get some sex toys

>hop into vrchat

>fuck or get fucked by cute girls/guys/nanachis/hyenas/whatever else strikes your fancy

This is the only legitimate use case for vr.

-t someone with 2k hours in vrchat

>>16635233

Wanna take me on an adventure?

I legitimately want to explore in VR chat but it's so hard to find anyone

I just want a way of getting the benefits of a VR headset(depth perception, better FOV, head movement independent of body, better immersion etc.) working for good games that are already out like Stalker. The ability to move your hands independently is cool but far from necessary.

>>16635233

What horrors of the abyss have you witnessed anon?

>>16642709

dude trust me

>>16642731

The amount of unsubstantiated garbage swirling around the justifications for loathsome design decisions in VR is flabberghasting. And it's clearly a beachhead to territory they've been seeking to conquer for years.

For instance, here's a lecture by the devs of screensavers such as Flower and Journey, from just before GG, advocating that any form of manual camera control in even 3rd-person 3D adventure games is a sooper problematic accessibility issue, berating strategy games and 2D platformers as unplayably nauseous for the sin of SCROLLING THE SCREEN, and straight up dismissing anything with a 1st-person camera as fundamentally worthless.

>>16646834

Why? There are no games for VR. Its a meme

>>16646926

>everything is unified under SteamVR 2.0

For realsies? My general impression as an outsider is that the walled garden-ness was progressively getting worse than ever, with all the big players in VR still dead set on eventually eliminating the ability to use VR gear as a PC accessory at all, in favor of some horrifying console/cellphone/etc-based all-in-one monstrosity.

>>16630972

>directional teleporting

I haven't played any VR games, I looked this up and have no idea how games can be played like this. VR games really are retarded.

>>16647147

Most games now have a twinstick system since all the major headsets now have thumbsticks, its a user preference thing and most games give you the option to pick whatever you want. Only games I think force you to do it are the shitty Bethesda ports.

>>16646926

But there is literally only about 2-3 "good games" in VR. Beat saber,Pavlov,VRchat. I would gladly buy a VR headset if there were good games out there. But its not worth spending 200,500 or 700 bucks for something that you will grow tired of quickly. Also 1 bad thing that i've seen alot in VR is the teleportation alot of games seem to have. I mean whats fun about teleporting around? But besides that,there just isnt enough content to qualify a purchase.

>>16647116

This is great news

>they have made it so no matter your device you can customize your inputs so that you can get the experience you want

I wonder if this could extend beyond VR, to unfuck the disgusting mess M$ made when they "deprecated" DirectInput in favor of the XBox Gamepad-specific XInput API, forcing us to use retarded shims like x360ce, Joy2Key, XPadder, etc. The only people who ever got this right were Apple back in the '90s with InputSprocket.

>>16630944

>MTG collector

Literally who?

>>16632566

Best Waifu of the year, every single fucking year.

Anyone who disagrees is hot fucking garbage and should shoot themselves.

What would be a better purchase? Pavlov or Zero caliber? Pavlov seems like fun to me but I'm on a tight budget and am not sure if I should get that or some other one if you vr anons know any better ones.

>>16632007

>third person

what

>>16631161

Is it though? apparently everybody's still waiting for the source 2 editor. Or am I thinking of the complete SDK?

>>16649219

People want the SDK, but you can do a lot with scripted entities, it'd probably lack hud elements but you could probably get Capture the Flag working in it.

>>16630972

>>16633008

>>16647147

Motion sickness is inherit property of VR joystick movement and can't be solved.

Its because game constantly jumps between 2 modes.

1. Video is tied to teh inner ear perception. When players looks around turning and moving the head.

2. Video is not tied to the inner ear perception. When character moves with joysticks. Scene moves but no inner ear perception confirming this.

Monitor/TV games work all the time in the mode 2. So they have no such problem and player can become accustomed to such disconnect between moving picture and inner ear.

>>16649237

Oh yeah huh. They said it would be released for PC a year after it came out initially. RIP.

>>16631097

>loli miku isn't best miku

gay detected

>>16631741

It looks like a cute game to play either way, not like every game needs fucking porn in it.

>>16631865

>anon makes a memory based comment and assumes he shouldn't need to provide a source because it's a waste of time to lie.

>you get mad

>NO YOU'RE MAD BECAUSE YOU'RE LAZY

Why would he make shit up? You don't need proof for this sort of shit, you either believe the guy or go look it up yourself.

>>16631893

>And then there's a bunch of niggers chimping out because someone isn't devving for free what they want. I'm assuming you're part of that crowd.

I don't get why people are mad, it's fucking porn. If you wanna go jack off then you have literally thousands of images and a ton of cards for her on illusionbooru's.

>>16650060

>Why would he make shit up?

That couldn't be the only way people would spread false information. Sometimes people remember the wrong things, or just ill-informed.

In any case, it is understandable that he demands proof from either persons, since both made contradicting claims.

One other thing I forgot which was actually the best part of the headset was the audio, its insane how good it sounds despite being off your ear, I played all my rhythm games and they sounded as good as if I had my headphones on.

>>16630873

Try Quell 4D I thought it was fun

Kind of like Doom but in vr

>>16650944

>LCD-based HMD

Shouldn't that have some pretty severe smearing/ghosting/blurring motion artifacts compared to OLED, especially at 144Hz?

>>16651292

I still gotta do some more test but I didn't notice any blurring or ghosting at all when I was playing lat night. The panels are quality despite the colors not being as good as the Vive.

>>16652821

It's okay from what I know, their phones were good until recently I heard.

Taiwan #1!

>>16652821

HTC are the people who make the headsets for Valve. Them and occulus are the big two. I can't tell you much about their quality, though.

>>16630923

>>16630915

looks like him, picture is really funny

also to answer op's question: _Skyrim_

"games"? hahah honey thats an outdated concept, we instead make experiences (walking simulator + minimal interactivity) or copy badly whole genres (guitar hero)

vr is the future as you can see

>>16653165

Are you trying to say beat saber is a guitar hero clone?

Yeah three years ago this was an issue. Now every dev gets their ass chewed out if they even consider leaving out smooth locomotion

>>16648741

Pavlov always has people playing, this is probably the biggest consideration.

>>16653165

Or that gorn/blade n sorcery/nervosa/cliffside manor/incursion are walking simulators?

If someone doesn't release a fully libre VR headset for unix/linux then VR is forever dead to me. VR as a concept has no productivity gains or games that would make it beneficial unless you are a pilot or horny. VR is a unified shitshow of propietary software.

Although a mech simulator where you control the inside of a mech in VR would be amazing if done right. Same with 3d point and click adventures in VR like professor layton. VR is still shit till then.

>>16654042

idn't openvr usable in linux?

>>16654053

Openvr is just a sdk

>Because the OpenVR API causes the game to connect to any attached VR hardware

Which means the headset must have some way of interacting with linux/unix in the first place. I haven't searched much but I assumed all headsets only have windows drivers for however they communicate with the GPU on the host computer.

>>16654057

Oh just ignore me now. WIthin five minutes of research I found that VR headsets that work over USB will just werk TM with openvr.

>>16655780

>Index

Isn't that the thousand dollarydoos headset?

>>16656019

You can set different preferences and you get a score boaed upon those. It's up to you how you wanna play and you have a lot of freedom. You can also then off the radar as another example.

>>16647147

>>16630972

>>16649914

Most VR games I have played use joystick movement. I've never become motion sick from it.

>>16655808

>those magnetic grabs

The game looks incredibly janky and rough, but god damn imagine a Star Wars game with refinement.

>>16655808

>webm for retards

Are you using the latest version? The successor project is here.

https://gitgud.io/nixx/WebMConverter

>>16657192

try pornhub

>>16636605

I have seen two guys in cute nanachi models with cute little rabbit dicks have cute furry vrsex for 15 minutes followed by hours of vrcuddles. The bottom one was using a dildo IRL and moaning softly. The top one was me.

>>16664904

Halfchan's /a/. They had a VR thread.

>>16665077

>>16636605

How horrifying. So horrifying, it makes me smile and laugh. I want to hear more stories from you, but I'm also worried about the darkness swallowing you whole. Take care anon.

>>16665077

FORCED REACTION!

>>16666143

>Pic of Hitler behind Tarkus

>Oswald leaning in at the right

>The Lost Sinner behind the Chosen Undead

How the fuck did I never see all that before

So I picked up Superhot VR a couple of weeks ago. Pretty good if a bit short. Also missing the bit of exploration from the not-vr SuperHot. Apparently it's a different story as well or I think maybe the same story. I recognize a few places in between them. I'm not sure how they'll fix the issue of playing an FPS in VR but I feel like theyneed to get the movement down. Also make controllers that don't feel like shit.

>>16665077

Stop trying to derail the thread glownigger.

>>16665077

You should give your skull a new ventilation system.

>mfw this disgusting faggot >>16665077 is getting so many (you)'s, while my post with cute holo videos only gone one

>>16666202

Cute things are a diamond dozen. Soundless cuckchan reposts are not as interesting as delving into the Evil In Man's Heart. Stay mad, cuck.

>>16660579

>OpenVR Toolkit

What have you been doing specifically with that, anon? I opened up the provided hello world example valve has on their github but I'm pretty bad with C++.

Unless you are referring to steamvr advanced settings, which is also a great tool.

>>16647554

>>16664795

>>16664904

DIRTY

KNEES

>>16666202

You're not getting more you's because you're making my jealous. I have VR, I could buy it and yet I haven't because I haven't made time to try it, fuck.

>>16666969

Not getting the refence, though.

>>16666969

You keep saying that but it still never happened. You're projecting your own cuckoldry onto this.

>>16666472

Well, there's not much else to say. I'm a nanachi and I hang out around other nanachis. Sometimes we fuck. This community is very lewd, and also very gay. Personally, I'm bi. If I find someone cute, I make a move. If they are dtf, we fuck. Some people I fuck regularly, some occassionally, some are one night stands. Sometimes I fuck things other than nanachis. Anime bitches are fine, but rather generic. I have yet to fuck an avali, a hyena, and a sergal.

And I know it's technically just multiplayer masturbation. Thing is, I never really enjoyed jerking off that much. Doing it in vrchat, however, is a whole new game. Apparently, vrsex with fbt is very close to the real thing, at least according to one of my fuckbuddies (who is not a virgin). I wouldn't know. What I do know is that this thread is full of seething autists that know no one would ever fuck them in any reality, not even the virtual one.

>>16667445

It's absurd how over a decade later since release some fags took things so severely out of context and ignored everything else just to "prove" a point.

NTR is disgusting, but you'd have to jump through a lot of mental hoops to reach that conclusion for S&W.

I bet they could spin the Kodomo no Jikan mango to sound like NTR central.

>>16667583

Why the fuck are they all Nanachis? Anime adaptations were a mistake.

>>16667583

To be precise, the base model is called lexichi (made by lexidoll), but we just call ourselves nanachis. And yes, there's a lot of us now. There's a discord server for lewd nanachis that has almost one thousand members.

>>16667603

The lexichi base model is cute and free to use and modify. There are other nanachi models that are more show-accurate, but those aren't as popular.

>>16667675

post it

>>16667675

>discord server for lewd nanachis that has almost one thousand members.

Share pls

>>16667675

>almost one thousand members

Reminder these same degenerates have been incubating on lame avatar chatrooms like 2nd Life for years, waiting to infest VR.

>>16667758

Do you really need a reminder that Second Life is full of degenerates?

The best movement I've experienced so far in VR were some random test tank game on the PS4 in a store an VR Chat's flying brooms.

The tank was good because it was fairly slow and you were seated anyhow, so it felt fairly natural. It was alright, but dunno how well it would translate to anything outside of the essentially 2d movement of tanks.

VR Chat's flying broom was the best fucking thing I've experienced in a long time, though it was kind of slow and the area you could fly in was pretty small in that particular world. Basically you held the two controllers "on the broom" and then you controlled how fast it went, up or down and then how it turned around itself. So you had essentially complete freedom of movement.

My mate who owns the VR set felt like throwing up after a minute, but I had the time of my life as long as I was seated since standing up your point of balance goes to hell. I even pulled off Immelman turns and Wronski feints, just to see if I could.

Sairento was pretty decent too, but it honestly worked better with just continuous teleporting because of the enemies shooting at you.

Mind I don't own VR and have only played it sporadically.

>>16667771

Tanks seem like the most obvious application of VR that would actually work, I'm surprised I haven't heard much of tank VR games

>>16667678

>>16667720

I'm not gonna post it here. I don't want local shitposters to gain access to that kind of material.

>>16667768

It's just these things always seem to follow the same pattern. Like, for some reason The Palace seemed to have a lot more ERPing perverts than most MUDs, as if the smallest semblance of a game causes some amount of fun to happen instead of just 100% faggotry.

Like, when is there going to be a VR equivalent of Space Station 13?

>>16667820

>as if the smallest semblance of a game causes some amount of fun to happen instead of just 100% faggotry

If there's nothing else to do but talk then it only makes sense ERPers will flock to it.

Has anyone played Jet Island? I was wondering whether I should try it out.

>>16667835

No offense, but I don't know you or your intentions. I won't invite randoms, especially not from this place.

>>16667508

>Well, there's not much else to say. I'm a nanachi and I hang out around other nanachis.

You better watch out, there's a vorefag with an appetite for Nanachis roaming around here somewhere. Sounds like a regular buffet to him.

>>16668182

i figured you could just vet me in pm first but oh well. my pc can barely run vrchat so i would just be lurking anyway

>>16668182

You may be a humongous faggot but at least you have some goddamn common sense.

>>16666955

It gives SteamVR the same usability as Oculus Dash, you are able to move and navigate windows easier. I can have YouTube appear in a certain part of my playspace or have it attached to one of my arms. If I had to pull up irc in VR it's so much easier compared to the default SteamVR methods.

>>16672183

How would you know?

>>16672209

I downloaded it, ran out into the world and near immediately shot 4 mammoths to death

>>16631120

now this is the cyberpunk shit i want.

>>16666202

If you want upvotes try a site that actually has them as an integral part instead of an imageboard that centers around the lack of identity, veterancy, karma, and other superfluous metrics that don't actually make your posts any more or less valid.

I'm getting real sick of seeing things like this and "underrated post" as if posts are rated to begin with. Can't you just take comfort in knowing someone read it and maybe didn't think it was worth posting "LOL" just to increase your counter? This is getting out of hand on the entire internet. People desperately clawing for numbers just to feel satiated. Gross.

why does vr always have to be motion control bs I just want to play a regular game with regular controls but have the full sphere of vision immersion.

>>16674315

Valve doesn't really want people to have locomotion from what I heard, Joysticks on the index were a concession, and most VR developers aren't really experienced with making real games.

>>16674315

If that's all you want, just use VorpX. It works with the majority of shooters, and lets you control your aim with head movement on top of mouse and keyboard.

Though having tried this myself, I can tell you it's not as good as you might think. In almost all shooters, you basically end up having a gun, or your characters hand/wrist glued to the lower right of your jay. And when the headset is specifically engineered to trick your brain into making you think what you're seeing is real, this is a huge annoyance and destroys any of the immersion you're looking for. You really don't gain any type of advantage from it either, since even with an Index, you're only getting about a 130 FoV at best, which is only a tiny bit more than you're probably playing with on a 16:9 monitor if you care about using a high FoV for an advantage.

Doom VFR and the Serious Sam games are absolutely magical experiences. Hearing an audio cue to to my side, turning my head just enough to see an enemy charging me in my periphery, and throwing my arm out and shooting in one motion feels 100 times better than any twitch shot I've ever landed. It makes you feel like John Wick, ready to kill 3 people with nothing but a pencil.

I know it's the same thing you've read million times if you've done any research trying to make up your mind on buying a VR headset, but it really is just something you have to experience. Words don't do it justice. If you tried both, I'd bet my left nut that you'd agree with me that motion controls are better in shooters.

>>16672183

It's the same deal with the Serious Same games. Independently aimed dual wielding is crazy when the game was never designed for it.

Unfinished broken VR mods of non-VR games are unironically the only good VR games. And Beat Saber. I don't know why devs collectively think thumbsticks + head movement is so bad but they can fuck right off with that teleportation shit where you jump between locations instead of walking by holding a stick forward.

>>16675074

> I don't know why devs collectively think thumbsticks + head movement is so bad

because it makes people vomit faster?

>>16674768

that sounds fucking retarded considering roomscale, but wouldn't put it past valve.

>>16674986

>dual wielding

it's a bit annoying for me when you try to move a the same time via sticks, or maybe I'm just too used to the aim.

>>16675113

Well you have to realize, there's kind of a major difference between a super limited scale 2x2m space you can wander around in, and actual locomotion.

>>16632007

>orth saying though all VR shooters are kinda slow paced

Not Serious Sam

not exactly vidya, but wtf is up with vr video players? it's either buggy, rudimentary as fuck with half-cooked features (like format set by file names, with no way to switch in the actual fucking player) or outright retarded (why would I want to use motion controls only for a fucking menu), suspiciously "free" shit or all of the above. ffs the only worthwhile player is made by valve in fucking unity, probably by a dev that just wanted a bullshit-free wank (and even that one could be improved by a mile easily)

>>16675406

even 2x2 is easier to traverse with a stick. the only reason to use teleportation is for comfort and cheaper/easier implementation. unless you run around in an full fledged installation (where it becomes a non-issue) you'll always have to consider how people are gonna move around.

>>16675920

I use Virtual Desktop's built-in player, which I'm pretty sure uses Windows Media Player and just adds 3D and "native" resolution playback, which you can make use the K-Lite codec pack.

>>16675995

I mean I don't think antilootbox stuff will actually help VR, I don't actually think there are any games with that shit at all, right now it's mostly an issue of being expensive enough to enter theres a ridiculous upcharge on software, and aside from maybe the Hotdogs and Handgrenades guy all the devs are gunshy of doing anything more complicated than giving you a few phys objects you can fuck around with. Which you can already do in steamhome, which is free, and that's not even getting into vr in garrysmod, or the rumor of the dude who wants valve to give him the tools to make a Source 2 Sandbox.

>>16676019

I wasn't saying that type of monetization is a problem in VR (yet, remember there must be future financial motivations for Facebook's purchase of Oculus, and Samsung's attempts to integrate cellphone hardware into PC-free standalone all-in-one dedicated VR devices). I was more pointing toward how most of the hipstercore casual walking sim devs are bankrolled by large platform holders like Sony and publishers like Ubisoft that get most of their moolah from milking whales through predatory monetization, not to mention that a lot of those hipstershit devs entered the industry via the creation of mobileshit/socialshit titles.

The anti-game cancer being built up around VR is only one part of a larger pseudo-game bubble over the last decade, one that is uniquely vulnerable to legislative attack.

>>16675995

I still don't think that moment in Blade Runner deserved to be that iconic.

Roy talks about a lot of things, but the viewer never gets to see anything even remotely close to them. It's an obvious breach of "show, don't tell" that makes his backstory feel kinda weak despite how necessary it is to sympathize at all with the replicants.

It's sequel at least somewhat understood this and you see a lot more abuse going the MC way to hammer it home how much of a second class citizen they are considered to be.

>>16676019

It's a vicious cycle. Not enough players buying into VR means the market is too small to justify big budgets in devving for that kind of stuff.

But with a small budget, you get small games that are gimmicky shit most of the time.

And with gimmicky shit, you get less people interested in forking over the cost for VR.

And with less people, we go back at the start.

It'd take someone breaking this cycle on their end. Either Valve\Facebook drops the price on their headset (and that ain't gonna happen), Devs actually making something massive at a major financial risk for them (not likely) or the players keep buying the headsets in the hopes that better stuff is made for it (sadly, the more likely option).

>>16676069

>But with a small budget, you get small games that are gimmicky shit most of the time.

I can't really take that justification seriously. I mean, take Avara for example, a shareware game from the mid-90s that's sort of MechWarrior plus Bolo, written by one guy from scratch. It was basically designed like a VR game, with separately controlled body/head rotation, actions like crouching and jumping tied to smooth changes in stance, etc.

Nowadays, with all sorts of fancy engines, middleware components, assets, and art tools available, it should be easier than ever for genuine independent game authors to do actual games for VR.

Even VR hardware, compared to the typical price of a complete PC system throughout the 80s or 90s ($400 for a C64/TRS-80, $1500 for an Apple/IBM), isn't really that expensive.

>>16676030

>Ubisoft that get most of their moolah from milking whales through predatory monetization

uwot

ironically ubisoft is also one of the few AAA devs doing VR shit.

>>16676202

>Nowadays, with all sorts of fancy engines, middleware components, assets, and art tools available, it should be easier than ever for genuine independent game authors to do actual games for VR.

gameplay isn't the issue, assets are. shit textures/lightning/models are way more obvious and jarring. not to mention you want voiceacting, most people don't want to stare at some subtitles especially during a fight etc.

>>16676404

>uwot

It's absolutely true. Ubisoft is trying to go full EA as soon as possible, cashing all their chips into whaling. Projections for this year place it at 25% of Ubisoft's total revenues, and slightly more than online distribution of actual games:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/57597/microtransactions-make-25-ubisofts-fy2019-revenue/index.html

Every major player is basically attempting to exit gaming for the crack addict market, like Konami going pachinko, but without the honesty.

>shit textures/lightning/models are way more obvious and jarring.

Is that really true anymore, in the post-Minecraft era?

>>16676202

The point isn't what you could make gameplay-wise or how much work it would even take.

The point is that devs don't expect that much return in their investment so they aren't going to spend that much making the game as well.

Less money means smaller teams and less time working on it, so they make do with what they have and focus only on basic gimmicks to justify the game even being in VR.

Could they make a lot more and better, possibly even with less work? Sure they could.

But would it work and atract enough players? Maybe. And "maybe" isn't good enough. When they could be doing plenty of other projects that are more likely to give them a better profit.

>>16676516

>Is that really true anymore, in the post-Minecraft era?

Minecraft is a bit of an anomaly and the graphics are tolerated at best. Plenty of resource packs and even mods strictly to change how the game looks so it's not so horrible anymore for instance.

This problem is also more noticeable in VR when you have shit pressed on your face literally and can notice problems a lot more or get bored of repetitive textures more often, etc.

And don't forget that, if you want a game to be successfull when it doesn't look that good, it has to have great and unique gameplay. Now consider how often that happens and you get your answer as to why Devs prefer to focus on pretty graphics instead.

>>16676555

If every idea has to start from a pro operation, even a low-end one, I agree with your analysis. But what about actual independents, the people who work a real job or school attendance, and make games as a hobby with perhaps a second income stream as a possibility if they happen to strike a rich vein?

I dunno, maybe there just isn't enough autism to go around nowadays.

>>16676647

I doubt amateurs would want to start with VR for a personal project. Sounds like more trouble on top of everything else, like tackling multiplayer for a first project.

>>16676618

I don't think so, no. They can differentiate between at most 3 input axes, and only one of them can be active at a time, and there's hell of a lot of input lag.

>>16676658

VR games are like regular 3d games except you use a headset instead of a monitor. They're developed in exactly the same fashion, it's just different set of image output considerations are applied.

>>16633459

Try FNAF VR.

>>16676069

Literally all they need to do is go back and "remaster" some older 6th and 7th generation games to add in VR functionality. That will give the more traditional game market a reason to jump into VR, can fuel itself off of a new twist on old nostalgia, and will provide the funding necessary to start experimenting with adding VR as an optional mode into newer games.

This is going to piss off the hipsters who want to push VR as some new transcendental experience to connect players to marginalized voices through the power of atmospheric low-poly environments and garbage rich narratives - as well as the power of interpretative dance (vid sadly related)… but it's exactly what the market needs to bridge the gap between traditional games that the market already wants, and growing the nascent VR market.

Nintendo is primed to really capitalize on this space. They've already got a strong community push to get their old catalog of games working in VR through emulation on the PC, and those games are light-weight enough resource wise that they could be ran on the Switch in VR with enhancements. Plus, users already have all of the necessary hardware built in. All they need to do is release a proper headset mount that allows hands-free manipulation of a controller.

So it's a great confluence of low-cost, high userbase, low resource usage, and high-demand. If it's successful on the Switch, you'll see a lot more of it happening on the PC and competing consoles.

>>16677502

despite being the game with the most potential to be nauseating to VR users, gravity daze fans have balls of steel and would never have a reaction so feminine to the sensation of falling in first person.

>>16676516

>Ubisoft is trying to go full EA as soon as possible

create shit games, drop them the second they underperform while milking fifa?

the point was ubisoft has probably the least cancerous lootbox scheme out there while still funding singleplayer games, do new shit instead of rehash endlessly (including vr) and actually support their games instead of shitting out a sequel asap. no idea about siege or for honor, but everything else is just cosmetics you can even get ingame without spending a dime usually. for the former you never hear anything about boxes either, only how much of a grind shit is (apparently by people that bought the starter edition, so no surprise) and gameplay/technical stuff.

where ubisoft goes full retard is how pozzed certain games are (especially asscreed), however to a some degree that's just marketing baiting everyone. fuck some people go full assblast because division 2 doesn't say anything about trump, "b-but it's in washington, it's meant to be political" and other retarded shit. not to mention yass queen slay villains in the fc5 expansion, a gay dude in fc4 etc.

from a business perspective it would be stupid not to go after whales, the difference is how it affects everyone else.

>Is that really true anymore, in the post-Minecraft era?

minecraft is the exception, not the rule. you can go with a heavily stylized artstyle (that isn't dreamworks or calarts), but that requires just as much if not more talent, so it's easier/faster to go with the semi-realistic route, especially when you use photogrammetry etc.. also depends heavily on the game and atmosphere. a vr heavy rain would need to look the part, astrobot rescue mission not as much.

>>16677165

>Literally all they need to do is go back and "remaster" some older 6th and 7th generation games to add in VR functionality.

only if they do it properly, else don't bother because it will just be a gimmick. I mean look at skyrim vr where the melee combat is worse than wii wagglan from 10 years ago (at least you can mod it).

>>16677981

>only if they do it properly

By do it properly, I mean do as little as possible. You go radically altering the controls for "muh immershon" and you're going to be defeating the purpose and ruining classic games. I mean, just provide head tracking and 360 degree view. Really, that's it. Yeah, it'll be gimmicky - but unlike wagglin, that gimmick actually does have some gameplay utility. It makes it far easier to gauge distance in platform jumps, makes it easier to track enemies behind the camera for greater situational awareness, and allows a degree of environmental exploration free of the constraints of a fixed camera. It puts you more "in" the environment, so you're generally more perceptive to design alterations and small details where you might otherwise gloss over them on a flat screen as being part of the environment. And this part of why I think the Switch would be a perfect platform for this kind of a push - because it's limitations would keep traditional VR wheel-re-engineering to a minimum because it doesn't really have the hardware setup to chase the immersion meme.

I think the bigger issue would be game length - since nobody is going to want to spend 8~20 hours with a Switch strapped to their face. They would need to redesign the games to either have more natural break-points every few hours (or every few stages)… or they could create a compilation of mini-chunks of the games highlights with additional challeges. Sort of like their NES ReMix games for the 3DS. Hell, they could even use it as a $60 demo by putting links to the store page for full games in VR if you happened to like what you played of the ReMix.

>>16678035

> They would need to redesign the games to either have more natural break-points every few hours (or every few stages)… or they could create a compilation of mini-chunks of the games highlights with additional challeges.

but that would ruin the game just as much, if not more.

I rather have proper inputs than cut content for the sake modern accessibility.

>>16672183

The rate of fire you can pull off with a bow is batshit insane and makes crossbows absolutely worthless. Might have to eventually look into mods that add dual wield rapid fire crossbows since I technically beat the game by getting dragonbone shit.

>>16642769

>screensavers

Why have I never seen this before? I love it: it's sharp, it's succinct, and above all it's on-the-nosee. These things we've been calling "walking simulators" aren't games, they're barely even movies, they're just a thing that happens in the background that barely distracts you. They're fucking screensavers. We need to spread this, I smell a hilarious twitter shitstorm when butthurt soyboys and retarded wannabe "game" "developers" get wind of people calling their precious golden calves "screensavers".

>>16679348

TBF, those abominations were described as screensavers a bit before "walking sim" was coined. And with good reason, as they (Flower in particular) were even less gamelike than a typical walking sim's "subpar museum tour" experience, with their floatiness and lack of much distinct geometry being strongly reminiscent of actual screensavers like ElectroPaint.

So it just occurred to me, with standing play area VR, would a DDR pad be usable for locomotion? If you think about it, it could work, the ddr pad wouldn't have to check for which direction you are facing if you turned around and back was your new forward, it'd still push you forward, the only thing that seems like it could be awkward is that it's a 4 directional pad with no diagonals, although I have seen some that have face buttons on the corners.

It seems like it could be a way to free up hand inputs from being locomotion input

>>16689694

Lel most people wouldn't have the spatial awareness to know which orientation they were to even press the right direction since what you usually are doing is moving around within a playspace. The thumbstick twinstick is probably the best setup we have had for VR it's just devs getting their shit right and using other games like Onward as an example.

>>16690389

>trying to figure out how the nips decide on more seasons

it's a fucking mystery, they probably don't even know themselves.

one one hand it's great they don't milk popular stuff for all it's worth to the point it becomes shit, otoh it's popular for a reason so people want more…

>>16690494

>devs getting their shit right

remember vive wands don't even have a stick (nor do the ps moves) and everybody tries to make it as comfortable as possible for motion sickness, add to that most devs don't like to experiment or are flat out unable to, you get a lot of derivative motion systems, especially in the beginning till over time a standard establishes itself.

>>16690389

Can never say never, old anime do sporadically get new seasons out of the blue. Could be good like FMP IW, mediocre like Slayers Revo/Evo, or an abomination like nuBerserk.

>>16690389

Before i'd have said it's because the source material is done/popular enough they don't need to sell more but with Wolf and Parchment It's about Holo's daughter it could happen.

It would be a rather poor experience for anime onlys though, along with being hard to adapt in 12 eps.

Without spoiling too much, a 12 ep season covered 2 volumes. Skipping vol 4, and good chunks of 5 made the latter half of s2 poorer and badly set up to continue. Adapting vol 6 would have half a season spent on a boat, with vol 7 being 3 short stories about backstories and foreshadowing, and if they skipped this they'd not only have minimal setup but have to cram vol 8/9 together since its a two-cour arc. Considering they barely managed 1.5 volumes in s1 it'd be index s3 tier.

I still hope for it, but dunno how well the majority would recieve it, a redo of s1/2 that doesn't change/add/remove characters and straight up volumes would be a better start.

>>16630915

>Todd is such a manlet he needed to be ENLARGED on a fucking T-shirt

>>16691045

and this is wrong because instantiating an object doesn't require an object to already exist. This is "learn to code" / agdg tier programming knowledge.

>>16665077

You sank my battleship.

>>16691045

>oh no someone made art of my waifu that i don't like and now i'm angry about it

Nigger, it's the same voicebank either way, it all really just comes down to preference on artists/musicans that use miku and the various other vocaloids, nothing has fucking changed in the slightest.

For instance: Miku used to have this bitchy song called "The world is mine" but at the same time also had a song about vegetable juice…

Are you really suggesting that miku has a personality that isn't just made up on a whim to match the song she's playing? Waifufags are all atypically retarded if you believe this isn't the case.

God why does VRChat make me so horny? These low poly unity models make me hard. Most players don't even have VR.

>>16691045

Gumi > Miku

>>16630873

VR is dead.

>>16691005

lena anderson vid just got released, so you're objectively wrong

>>16691036

He's 5'8, average height.