dad978 No.16548933
So i decided to retry Borderlands 2 for no good reason after not touching it since release. I beat the base game after getting it free with a new computer upgrade at the time, never touched the dlcs and enjoyed it somewhat even if i found the writing and characters insufferable.
Retrying it now 3 things stood out:
>The writing was worse memeshit than i remember, thank god the period of ironic wiggerspeak is over
>The level design is absolute trash
>The gameplay is slow and boring
Forget comparing this to stuff like DOOM 2016 this was trash compared to vanilla Destiny. Unless this got a huge gameplay shakeup for borderlands 3 i can see a lot of people going 'ew, why is this so slow and dull?'.
Honestly i dont even see what i could have enjoyed the first time and by the time i got through the ice area i said out lout to myself 'i am having no fun and wasting my time' and quit and uninstalled the game.
What games have you gone back to to find to find out they aged like garbage on a summers day?
1b4afd No.16548952
Mario Kart Super Circuit
It looks like ass even when upscaled on an emulator, there's no drifting and you're guaranteed to slide off the track at every corner, and it's annoying hearing the same two voice lines from your character every three seconds.
I played the shit out of it when I was younger, loved it to death. The music and track designs are actually bretty gud though.
c0668e No.16548974
None of that has anything to do with aging, you just realized how shit it always was. This isn't like Ultima 6 or something that was actually revolutionary and groundbreaking in many ways but is a massive pain in the ass because of hardware constrictions and a mouse based UI that's older than fucking Windows 3.
9c67dd No.16548979
Most games on the Wii and in part also on the Wii U at least graphics wise.
Mainly because the graphics were outdated even for its time and the technology on both of those consoles paled in comparison to competitors.
6b10ca No.16548995
Games, movies, music do not age.
Borderlands was always shit. You're just slightly less of a retard now.
063e56 No.16549004
>>16548974
Exactly this. Anons tend to confuse developing taste with aging.
1b4afd No.16549034
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>you will never share a big pink cookie with erik wolpaw
bbc82e No.16549048
>thank god the period of ironic wiggerspeak is over
no it's not. we still got people using words like "lowkey", "smh" and "dis ain't it chief".
92cefe No.16549059
>>16548979
They look great on an emulator, especially galaxy.
dad978 No.16549060
>>16549048
How quickly you forget the age of dumb middle class white girls using terms like "i'm izzle in the hizzle fo rizzle". It was a dark time.
6e854f No.16549062
>>16549060
Fo real?
shieeeet
54b9b0 No.16549070
metal gear and metal gear solid, also dark cloud, I still play them and enjoy them because of muh nostalgia but damn
9b58d4 No.16549072
I don't typically consider games in terms of "aging" and usually consider them in context of when they originally where produced. I never liked shit games like Borderlands so your example isn't really something that I can relate too.
However, I used to love Black Isle Studio and many wrpg's, but as I grew older and my taste changed I started to hate these games. I wouldn't say they aged like milk, but rather I got more familiar with the Tranny infested progressive faggots whom where behind making the games in the first place and the low testosterone queers involved with D&D in general. "Nerds" where always beta-cucks even back in the 80's and in hindsight I grew to loath as much as I hate rick and Morty fans. Even the idea of "Roll Playing" is just gay as shit. Its something perverts do to spice up their sex life, not something you do with a bunch of guy's in your mothers basement. D&D was majority men, so to fix that half the community cut off there dicks and put on lipstick. In hindsight it's remarkable nobody saw this coming, but the righting was on the wall. Thus going back to the halcyon days requires one to be so delusional that they ignore this reality putting their head in the sand and that kind of blissful ignorance is impossible.
1b4afd No.16549077
>>16549034
shit wrong thread
9b58d4 No.16549080
c0668e No.16549086
>>16549072
It is pretty funny seeing the disconnect between the writing in old RPGs and the artwork. You could tell where the infection started.
6e854f No.16549089
>>16549080
Don't think you need anything at all?
ea7c6a No.16549090
>>16548952
>The music and track designs are actually bretty gud though.
That's why it apply better for newest Mario Karts.
>>16548979
The original No More Heroes looks better than Heroes Paradise.
>>16548995
Wonky controls can age like milk. For example, compare the original tank controls and control scheme of the original alone in the dark with Resident Evil control scheme and tan controls. They are similar but yet bery differently, same with Doom's original control scheme, and so on and so forth. Doesn't mean they are not enjoyable, but you can notice a difference and how little things evolved for the better before going to shit completely.
2237ed No.16549096
Games that force the player on endless repetition, almost like a job, to get to the spot they want to actually be.
b6041b No.16549106
Didn't this shit come out in 2015?
1b4afd No.16549111
>>16549079
we're fucking doomed
c0668e No.16549112
9b58d4 No.16549119
>>16549089
what?
>>16549096
>Games that force the player on endless repetition
can you give an example? Because I like games that are replayable and old arcade games that have harder loops after compilation. Are you talking more about grinding?
d66ce9 No.16549136
All console FPS I used to play like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Not only are the controls absolutely fucking godawful but the extremely low framerate and FOV are both headache inducing. This may come off as me being an elitist faggot but after experiencing high framerate PC games with M+KB controls I find it impossible to enjoy/tolerate playing console FPS.
dad978 No.16549157
>>16549112
good god it feels like 2008 at the latest
b6041b No.16549175
>>16549079
>These "people" were "KANGZ"
Also 2012 is hardly old, shit looks the same now as it did then
>>16549136
Also you're 100% right. Never can understand people who play FPS games on consoles, Nightfire was the last straw for me, BF1942 came out the same year so fuck console FPS's
d956ea No.16549183
Any FPS that came out before Uplink. That demo completely wiped it's ass with every other FPS out there. Quake and Unreal are still fun today with some tweaks but I just can't fully enjoy Doom/Heretic/Duke Nukem in a post Half-Life world.
ee4a36 No.16549192
>>16549136
I came into this thread to say Goldeneye.
Fucking hell that game feels horrible to play, even when compared to modern console FPS.
97da21 No.16549195
>>16548995
This tbh. Poor aging is a meme people convince themselves is real to rationalize their memories of a game with their current experience of it after having gotten accustomed to quality of life changes, and other games.
Half the time I hear about a game having "aged poorly" it usually also turns out to just be something someone is parroting from the mouth of a streamer or youtuber who said it to excuse themselves for being bad at the game. e.g. Rich Evans whining about Metroid Prime and Goldeneye.
e341f1 No.16549208
oblivion aged like wine tbqhwyf
a7fe2d No.16549213
First, this isn't Borderlands 2 'aging like milk,' this is your tastes changing. The writing was always insufferable.
Second, maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Borderlands 2 still plays well. Melee zer0 and some gaige builds are fun.
Third, all early 3d console games have aged like milk. I can't think of a single n64 or psx game that hasn't.
dad978 No.16549223
>>16549208
opinion: oblivion gates were too samey but that game is fun and its world is mad comfy.
1b4afd No.16549233
>>16549208
I could never get into Oblivion, there's just too much empty space compared to Skyrim, and that fucking weird barter system. Then again I only played it a bit on the 360 before I got bored so maybe the PC version is the best as usual
54b9b0 No.16549235
>>16549223
fact: the game was trash through and through
d09366 No.16549238
>>16548995
>>16549136
>>16549175
>>16549183
>>16549192
>>16549195
<Could I point out that some people think that this game is "dated", a "product of it's time", and "aged like milk"?
ed6ed4 No.16549244
>>16548933
>OP didn't find BL2 trash on his first playthrough
>OP bought Destiny (likely on launch or shortly after)
shiggy
>>16548974
>>16549004
One can't develop taste, you can only discover it. Same goes for fetishes and porn consumption. It's impossible to acquire depraved fetishes, you can only figure out your affinity towards them and then act on it.
>>16549090
>Wonky controls can age like milk.
If the way the game is played was a standard way of playing it then the game would also be balanced and designed around such controls. The only thing that can age is meta controls.
>>16549213
>I can't think of a single n64 or psx game that hasn't.
Looks like you don't know many psx and probably n64 games.
54b9b0 No.16549247
>>16549238
good post, aged like ass indeed
97da21 No.16549250
>>16549223
Not having access to levitation killed the game for me.
ea7c6a No.16549255
>>16549213
Super Mario 64 still plays great.
d956ea No.16549264
>>16549195
>Poor aging is a meme people convince themselves is real to rationalize their memories of a game with their current experience of it after having gotten accustomed to quality of life changes, and other games.
That's exactly what poor ageing means. That the game does not have the QOL changes that we have come to expect and so feels janky.
>>16549213
>Second, maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Borderlands 2 still plays well.
You spend most of your time either dying to bulletsponges or waiting for shields to recharge, it's just not that fun at its core. It's a shame as the game is very pretty and I like the looter shooter concept but I just don't have the patience for it.
ee4a36 No.16549266
>>16549213
> The writing was always insufferable.
While this is true, the writing wasn't quite so outdated when it first released. It was obnoxious at release and outright cringe today.
>Second, maybe I'm in the minority here but I think Borderlands 2 still plays well. Melee zer0 and some gaige builds are fun.
The game is really fun, but Christ does the writing hold it back.
Also I want to dick the memebot.
>>16549208
Oblivion didn't age poorly, it was fermented milk on release.
It was over 10 years ago, so let me refresh your memory of what games looked like at that time. Now compare that to Oblivion.
1b4afd No.16549274
>>16549255
lmao no it doesn't
the controls are ass, you never know if mario is going to do a complete 180 when turning around or walk forward a bit off a cliff
camera is ass and never points where you want it to
I could keep going
a7fe2d No.16549281
>>16549244
Feel free to enlighten me.
981e1e No.16549303
>>16548979
They look good on a CRT still. The Wii is basically another 6th gen console visually. The games all suck though.
ed6ed4 No.16549305
>>16549281
RR: Jailbreak, Deception 3: Dark Delusion, Crash 2 and Spyro 2, Silent Hill 1 - stand strong even today.
981e1e No.16549309
>>16549274
Anon, the controls are fine. You just suck.
ee4a36 No.16549311
>>16549281
Medievil and the Crash trilogy are great.
ea7c6a No.16549319
>>16549274
It plays just fine, you are just a faggot. Only because you don't have complete control of the camera doesn't mean it is a bad camera, since it always provide the best angle in can, because that's the best they could do at the moment.
b6041b No.16549325
>>16549233
>Then again I only played it a bit on the 360
>played it on the 360
dad978 No.16549332
>>16549325
You want to fucking stroke out?
My first western rpg was morrowind on the original xbox when i was 13
9b58d4 No.16549343
>>16549195
>Half the time I hear about a game having "aged poorly"…
I usually hear it as a vapid excuse form pretentious kiddo's who want to sound like an authority on the hobby but haven't actually taken the time to play the classics.
a7fe2d No.16549350
>>16549255
It really, really doesn't. Even when it was current gen Mario 64 felt horrible to play. I can understand giving the devs a pass because 2d doesn't easily translate to 3d, but let's drop the rose-tinted glasses.
>>16549264
Above OP3 bulletsponges are a serious problem but below that I never found it tedious.
dad978 No.16549363
>>16549343
Tell me System Shocks DOSbox controls haven't aged like shit and i'll call you a liar.
063e56 No.16549364
>>16549244
>Same goes for fetishes and porn consumption
>It's impossible to acquire depraved fetishes, you can only figure out your affinity towards them and then act on it.
I don't know where you read that, or if it's just something you intuited, but in reality it's the polar opposite. Polite sage because this isn't vidyagames.
9b58d4 No.16549385
>>16549363
>play it on DOS
I haven't played it recently but I don't recall it being to bad. You could also rebind key's iirc.
>_ _ _box
anon it's the Disk Operating System, no need for the sufix. I wouldn't refer to a NES game as playing it on Fceux.
ed6ed4 No.16549392
>>16549364
You haven't even made a claim besides stating that you disagree, on a scale it's even less substantial than stating a contrary opinion - what can I even reply to such a non-statement?
Sure, I could specify that tolerance plays big into the dynamic, and that from the external point of view the metamorphosis looks similar in effect to acquiring/developing, but that wouldn't change my point whatsoever.
063e56 No.16549434
>>16549274
The controls aren't bad, they're just nuanced with a very high skill ceiling. An example of simple controls with a low skill ceiling would be the first Spyro. Both have their merits.
>>16549392
>it's okay to push tranny shit on kids because only the kids who are actually trans will go down that path, goy!
>raping little boys doesn't turn them gay or wire their brains to crave that stimuli causing them to frequently grow up to be abusers themselves!
>don't worry about the second P coming soon :)
Don't bother replying, just do the world a favor and jump off a fucking bridge.
8aa92e No.16549443
Any piece of media that is centered around current political or social nonsense will always age like shit. Just take a look at any "MUH DRUMPFTY" joke and see how fucking terrible they aged not even a week after they were told. Anything that has to do with simple morals, universal problems, universal archetypes and observational comedies will never seem outdated or bad. Basic human concepts such as paranoia, naivety, tragedy, romance, depression, irony, etc can be rewritten, retold and remade into many different cultures and languages but will always be understood by the people of the time. Take Star Wars now versus Star Wars then. Lucas made a lasting story that boys and girls will identify with forever, Disney made a trashy feminist-laden garbage heap that's being hated and forgotten not 4 years after its creation.
4d8398 No.16549444
>>16549266
The only bad thing about Oblivion when it came to graphics/artstyle/etc are the potato faces. The rest of the game looked superb back in 2006, especially on PC.
7e2711 No.16549447
>aged like milk
So they turned into delicious cheese?
9b58d4 No.16549454
>>16549244
>>16549392
>One can't develop taste, you can only discover it.
that is a rather bold statement. Someone could very well discover a love for a particular gaming genre (to keep this on topic) and then latter learn more about different games in the genre leading to that taste being refined and thus more developed. To assume its a binary on off switch seems a bit reductive, mankind's ability to adapt is integral to understanding human nature. For example someone can be abused into loving their abusers as seen with stockholm syndrome. The fact that taste can be groomed seems to lend credence to the idea taste can develop.
>>16549443
But anon then nostalgia kicks in and people start to love all the kitsch. Historical progress is a meme is not linear. What is old can become new again.
>>16549447
perhaps
b315a6 No.16549464
>>16549195
It's a very real problem if you have any standards. Getting sub 15 FPS in game areas on the original systems is a problem. A lot of early Doom clones weren't very good back in the day but you had nothing good to compare to them. It's like eating food. If you eat plain rice it's not as good as rice with a pinch of salt, which isn't as good as rice with a bit of spice in it. You can't say that plain rice aged but it's obviously sub standard at that point.
Games like Quake when released were fucking amazing. 10/10 graphics outstanding, mind blowing at that point. We're talking cutting edge tech that no one could compare to. Jumping forward just a few years and quake looks like a muddy pixelated mess
Also because you're clinically retarded
>640x480 resolution hasn't aged a day
sure thing faggot.
3f5812 No.16549465
>>16549238
>>16549247
Aged like wine
From the lighting to the combat
a7fe2d No.16549469
>>16549305
>>16549305
Never played Jailbreak, but I remember liking one of the other PSX Road Rash games, so maybe.
Have to disagree on Crash and Silent Hill, but Crash was definitely less painful than Mario 64.
Silent Hill played horribly. And it wasn't just the tank controls, it was the ponderous animations.
Most of my problems with old 3d games probably boil down to an uncomfortable interface between the controls and animations, whether it was fighters or platformers.
>>16549363
System Shock's original controls were always too complicated. Turns out all it needed was mouselook.
3a9dfe No.16549478
>>16548933
>Borderlands 2
we joke a lot about how bad burch is but i honestly think borderlands 2 is the worst written and worst acted (voice-wise) game of all time.
>tiny tina screeching the word "badonkadonk" every six seconds in a shrill, nails-on-chalkboard voice until you either shut down the game, mute it or throw your headset through a window
>LMAO XD so randum handsome jack calls
>"the bad guys are bad! so here they are! oh wait they're gone. good job!"
i can't even go on. i played it for i think six, maybe seven hours and apparently my brain has actively tried to suppress those memories. what a piece of shit. it didn't "age" like milk, it was shit from the beginning
063e56 No.16549479
>>16549443
If it's done well, it won't feel out of place. You wouldn't say the first three splinter cell games are politically outdated trash even though they're heavily rooted in bush era politics, right?
>>16549464
>Getting sub 15 FPS in game areas on the original systems is a problem
Couldn't agree more.
>Jumping forward just a few years and quake looks like a muddy pixelated mess
>640x480 resolution hasn't aged a day
That's where you're wrong, but I don't blame you. For the most part we've consigned CRTs to the memory hole, but older games still look spectacular on them.
3e7b48 No.16549490
>>16549183
If you posted Halo instead of that piece of shit, you'd be right.
8aa92e No.16549495
>>16549479
Revenge of the Sith was an obvious allegory for Bush as well, but it was covered in other themes that people could easily point out even decades after Bush is out of office. Evil versus Good is an amazingly simple concept and the Hero's fall is another. These completely overshadow the overt political commentary and can still be enjoyed today. I'm not saying don't include it at all, just don't make your entire fucking story out of it.
b315a6 No.16549498
>>16549305
Crash 1 is the better game. Spyro always sucked and it's nostalgia like most of your list is.
Silent hill 1 has aged awfully if you pay attention to the main character. His run animation is so bad it's distracting. I can't help but see it like a kid with down syndrome trying to shuffle to the bathroom after he shit himself. I like the game but it's not holding up well.
>>16549443
Star wars was a special effects flick about pushing model technology to it's limits. The prequels were about pushing CGI tech.
Star wars isn't as deep or as interesting as you think it is. You bought into a shitty consumerist lie to get you to keep paying to see the same film and buy action figures on mass. George Lucas can be blamed for the media industry how it is today. The fucker sold IOUs on store shelves for star wars figures. You bought a piece of card saying "1 luke skywalker" on it which you would later receive. Even fucking EA aren't that bad.
>>16549479
I play a lot of old games but the resolution these things are in no longer fit monitors we use and CRTs are dying. They're not being made any more so what happens when they're all dead? Old hardware dies, emulation becomes the only way to play many of these games. One day there will be no more functioning old systems at all.
2b32d1 No.16549499
>>16548974
Underrated post.
9b58d4 No.16549511
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16549478
>i honestly think borderlands 2 is the worst written and worst acted (voice-wise) game of all time.
I never played Borderlands 2 because i thought the original was shit. My god this is awful.
>>16549499
up-voting those doubles my dude.
2b32d1 No.16549513
>>16549136
Perfect Dark is fine, git gud
063e56 No.16549518
>>16549498
>They're not being made any more so what happens when they're all dead?
a7fe2d No.16549520
>>16549464
I remember thinking that Duke3d looked better than Quake did, before I got a 3d card. Duke3d looked fine at low resolutions because it was more colorful and it was easier to appreciate the map geometry.
ea22ad No.16549527
>>16549511
Only main villain and acting was good.
b315a6 No.16549538
>>16549520
Build engine is such a massive cluster fuck of issues it's interesting. Most of the classics in the genre only hold up for the shareware TBH. They were often the best levels.
Kids today aren't playing Duke or Quake as we know them. They're using source ports and HD re-releases with additional options. Most of us would of played Doom and Duke 3D with keyboard only back in the day.
063e56 No.16549547
>>16549495
You're right on all points. I was getting a just keep politics out of games vibe from your first post, which would be pretty unfortunate and creatively restraining. I completely agree that if you can't do it right, don't do it at all.
ea7c6a No.16549570
>>16549498
>Spyro always sucked and it's nostalgia like most of your list is.
Played the first 3 games recently because fuck the remasters. They are great, and they do have a high skill ceiling.
>Silent Hill
Is still great.
7770cd No.16549585
>>16548979
Wii games didn't age bad graphically. They always looked like that.
>releasing a console that doesn't even do 720p in 2007.
At least we have emulators now.
7770cd No.16549597
>>16549309
Yeah, the controls are the best thing about 64. That's a game where just running around in circles and doing jumps feels satisfying.
Now, if you want to talk about level design, maybe not everything has aged incredibly well.
3f5812 No.16549618
>Turns into an unpopular opinion thread
Everytime
ee87c2 No.16549636
SBB Brawl aged like dogshit. Most Wii games did really now that i think of it. Waggleshit was a mistake.
ed6ed4 No.16549647
>>16549434
>implying I have implied that if it's natural - it's not deviant
>implying I have implied that if it's an innate preference - it cannot be destructive
You are not fit for this discussion, poltard.
>>16549454
>first part
I don't see how that's a counter argument. Integrity on a subject is not taste, past that I can reframe what you are saying as a person simply trying to go more into detail about their preferences.
>For example someone can be abused into loving their abusers as seen with stockholm syndrome.
It may sound like the dynamic you are describing as artificial, but I would say that it's not detailed enough to ascertain that claim. Since I can't really come up with an argument that would disprove the notion entirely - I don't really have or need to, I can simply state that while major external influences are possible, personal preferences still play a defining role in forming an outcome. However, there is a possibility that there may be shared preferences across most humans, which semantically speaking, could change it from being a personal preference to a biological tendency (something as constant as having the exact number of organs and limbs across the species).
>>16549469
>Have to disagree
Disagree all you want, but that doesn't show the games themselves have changed, compared to you simply not liking the games in the first place.
>it was the ponderous animations.
>Most of my problems with old 3d games probably boil down to an uncomfortable interface between the controls and animations
Eh? Please elaborate.
Also, again, see previous point.
>>16549498
>sucked
>nostalgia
Not an argument.
>Crash 1 is the better game.
Crash 1 is forced for the most of it to feature stages from same locales with similar mechanics for each island (first and last islands in particular). Also, the cycle management is way overpresent in the first game and it really breaks pace for a platformer gameplay. Some character designs are extremely rough.
And since Crash 2 improves on all of these aspects, while not really losing anything - I think it's a superior game.
>His run animation is so bad it's distracting
I don't really see how it's bad, awkward, sure, but that doesn't really look out of place for me. Like the context is that the character is lost and it's not really clear what's the destination or what the future holds, so given, that he is also looking for his daughter - I certainly don't see how he would run any other way.
b315a6 No.16549659
>>16549647
Nostalgia is an argument. You are willing to accept flaws because you're used to them.
Silent Hill is very rough around the edges if you make excuses or not.
Learn to format a fucking post you wall of text sperg
7770cd No.16549663
>>16549636
The waggle was never good. People just worked around it, when there was a good game.
Actually, NMH did waggle in a fun way. Not much else though.
fd93b1 No.16549676
>>16549498
I recently replayed the first Spyro and it was as good as i remember it. The second one however, felt like dumb down garbage compared to the first. I haven't replayed 3 yet and I had nostalgia for all 3.
72831c No.16549679
>>16548933
>>16549048
>thank god the period of ironic wiggerspeak is over
ayo bruh not if I have anything to do with it fam, this aint it chief
ed6ed4 No.16549682
>>16549659
>"Learn to format a fucking post you wall of text sperg"
>from a person that spaces each individual sentence
Yeah, nah.
>Nostalgia is an argument. You are willing to accept flaws because you're used to them.
1. That's not what nostalgia means;
2. The problem is that you are just making an assumption about the position I'm speaking from, hence why it's not an actual argument.
b315a6 No.16549693
>>16549676
>As I remember
I didn't grow up on Spyro and I fucking hate how janky they are. I grew up on Crash, Mario and Croc. Others say Croc is janky but I enjoy it any way. It's all nostalgia happening, which isn't a bad thing but it's still there.
>>16549682
Each independent sentence. But fuck it keep posting walls of text, it gets you ignored by most posters.
9b58d4 No.16549696
>>16549647
>Integrity on a subject is not taste
then define taste because you are clearly not using a definition accepted in common parlance and have some.
>It may sound like the dynamic you are describing as artificial, but I would say that it's not detailed enough to ascertain that claim
this sentence make no sense in any context. Are you perhaps autistic?
9b58d4 No.16549704
6b10ca No.16549727
>>16549264
Quality of life is nice but if you can't appreciate something without a crutch than that's not the game's fault, it's yours.
61e9cb No.16549748
>>16549201
>lousy education system
yeah must be just that huh
>>16549636
Mario Kart Wii aged like champagne though. Bitter but goes with everything.
d28b52 No.16549761
>>16548933
I just played through Half Life and Half Life: Blue Shift, for the first time in about 13 years. Still great games, with an awesome feel.
As far as aging like milk, I'd say 99% of the SNES games I used to love are absolute ass now.
e04a93 No.16549786
In terms of visuals, games that did 3D prerenders for sprites. Doesn't look as good as fully 3D; Doesn't look as good as fully 2D. It was basically visual gimmick for the time like "Woah DK's in 3D. Its like I'm controlling a toy story!"
On the other hand, professional spritework from that same time period still looks amazing today.
ed6ed4 No.16549835
>>16549693
>it gets you ignored by most posters.
Honestly, doesn't seem like it.
>>16549696
>then define taste because you are clearly not using a definition accepted in common parlance
Taste can be differentiated by its quality and its type. Taste type is your innate preference, something that you are born with and can't really change throughout your whole life (color, genre, cravings and wishes, etc). Taste quality is a subjective assessment of one person, on the amount of nuance about the taste type that's displayed by the other person through expressed integrity on a subject (knowledge of classics and niche, skill, empirical baggage, etc).
Integrity is a byproduct of continuous practice and exploration of your own preferences, sure, they are linked together, but the former is obviously secondary to the latter.
>this sentence make no sense in any context.
Stockholm syndrome may rhetorically support the case where some preference could be acquired or implanted, i.e. be entirely artificial, however, since it's only rhetorically convincing - I can dismiss it (to some extent) without being fallacious in my dismissal.
>Are you perhaps autistic?
Well, one could say that I'm an ESL autist.
9b58d4 No.16549855
>>16549835
>born that way
stopped reading there
ed6ed4 No.16549864
>>16549855
>literally triggered
d956ea No.16549871
>>16549727
>Quality of life is nice but if you can't appreciate something without a crutch than that's not the game's fault, it's yours.
It's not really a crutch, it's more like you have two legs now and old games expect you to hop around.
9b58d4 No.16549918
>>16549864
no you dumb retard. First off even biology disagrees with this retarded assertion, over time peoples taste change. You are merely presupposing determinism and no reasonable person would ever assume taste is deterministic, the very idea is absurd because taste requires preference and preference requires autonomy which is contrary to determinism.
2bdd18 No.16549922
>>16549527
I don't understand sjw logic, he always seemed like a okay dude. No idea what makes him the bad guy there.
6b10ca No.16549961
>>16549871
If you're expected to hop then hop. A second leg would break the game.
b315a6 No.16549965
>>16549918
Taste is also too abstract to compare. I cannot tell you what someone else tastes when they eat water melon.
You're dealing with a fag trying to sniff his own farts. Look at how he types and how he keeps trying to over complicate the words used. He's an artfag type who has so little in actual brains he tries to mask it by fucking a thesaurus.
a7fe2d No.16549977
>>16549647
>doesn't show the games themselves have changed, compared to you simply not liking the games in the first place
I actually realized this after making that first post. It's true, my position is that these old 3d console games were always bad.
Controls, physics and animation all kind of play off each other. When I say, 'this game feels bad' I have a hard time telling which of those components is more at fault. When Mario or Harry Mason doesn't move how and when I want him to move it feels bad. The controls and animations are not interfacing well.
Sure, you can compensate for these flaws, but you can also mod Bethesda games to be less shit. Does that make Bethesda games not shit?
b315a6 No.16549999
>>16549977
Just because we found a better way to do something doesn't mean the old way is defacto bad. Your argument says that Fallout 4 is better than Doom is at being an FPS, which is simply untrue.
Walking is an effective movement method, but it's not as good as a bike. A bike is not as good as a car. But there are places a car can't go your legs can go and vice versa. Just because you can't ride a bike doesn't make the bike a bad form of movement, it's you who has the problem.
9b58d4 No.16550002
>>16549965
<define Taste
>Taste is predetermined
<no it's not, that's just stupid
>Taste is also too abstract
LOL
>You're dealing b315a6
>a fag trying to sniff his own farts.
we have ID's. Unless your trying to say you where meanly pretending.
b315a6 No.16550014
>>16550002
Taste is literally abstract, the same way colour is. You cannot describe what taste is to someone who cannot taste. You also cannot describe what a taste tastes like without using another internal reference point. Taste is entirely in the brain and you can't be sure if you taste a peach the same way someone else does.
a7fe2d No.16550026
>>16549999
Doom had better controls than Mario 64.
d956ea No.16550059
>>16549999
I might play DOOM once in a while as a novelty but to pretend that it still holds up is laughable. It's possible for me to say DOOM was great for it's time and laid the foundations for the FPS genre but also acknowledge that it was bettered multiple times over.
e0cc20 No.16550062
ed6ed4 No.16550064
>>16549918
>no reasonable person
No reasonable person would commit a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
>over time peoples taste change
Perceived taste change, I personally, have not perceived that change in myself, hence why I believe that the change in taste has nothing to do with a change of innate personal preferences.
And since most arguments on the subject and many other ones are derived from common knowledge - I dismiss them on the spot, hence why I am so confident in expressing my point of view. However, I couldn't care less about asserting my point of view as one and the only one, as long the outcome gets closer to the truth otherwise my point of view is the only one that is correct.
>preference requires autonomy
No it doesn't. It may be too complex to derive a predetermined outcome, but nothing in preference guarantees autonomy.
>>16550002
>we have ID's
Exactly. Unless your next line would be "N-no, I-I-I've meant, nice ID hopping, f-fag".
>>16549977
>my position is that these old 3d console games were always bad.
Well, then you cede your initial claim about the games aging like milk.
And while I could disagree, I'd rather focus on arguing about "taste is an innate preference" with other fags, than try to figure out if your' a simply wrong or if your taste is so wildly different that we just wouldn't be able to agree on the quality of said games.
>you can also mod Bethesda games to be less shit. Does that make Bethesda games not shit?
If we assume that unmodded Bethesda games are shit, then no external factor would change the quality of said games. If someone were to claim that there is some definitive experience that could be achieved through modding, then it would at least be debatable (thought, in my opinion, highly unlikely to turn out to be any good).
>>16550014
I agree, even though you, cunt, have tried to discredit me.
1c4a98 No.16550086
b315a6 No.16550315
>>16550059
I still play doom weekly and enjoy it. Doom holds up because it's the fundamentals of the genre. It's just solid in every aspect. It's 1 flaw is Barons have too much health, but they're mini bosses so it makes sense.
7bfc4a No.16550376
>>16548933
>>16549183
Nah, those 2.5D classics at least had their own charm. Games in the Half-Life 1 era fit this thread to a T. The graphics aren't good anymore. The physic puzzles are pointless and are just programmer wank. Trying to take a talking glorified square with a box for a mouth that just opens and closes quickly seriously is just isn't possible anymore. The worlds that once seemed immersive are barely any different than the "series of boxed rooms with no purpose" that games had before.
516dce No.16550411
>>16550376
Half Life 1 is still the best shooter ever made.
dad978 No.16550419
>>16550411
Thats not Titanfall 2.
3525a3 No.16550426
>>16550411
It's been years since I last saw this video.
d956ea No.16550443
>>16550376
No, Half Life 1 is the greatest FPS ever to be made, it has never been surpassed, it is still amazing
3f5812 No.16550448
>>16550419
>Titanfall 2
>The game that rips off most of what Half Life and Unreal Tournament created
>Best anything
30aa46 No.16550453
>>16548952
>It looks like ass even when upscaled on an emulator
mGBA has a new high resolution mode for the Mode-17-style rendering effects that might help it immensely if you tried it now.
>no drifting
If memory serves, don't you have to jump first and then you can drift after landing?
dad978 No.16550457
>>16550448
>Half life
>The game that rips off most of doom and duke nukem created
>Best of anything
3f5812 No.16550466
>>16550457
>The game that rips off most of doom and duke nukem created
It doesn't, Quake if anything and even then there was a 3 year wait between releases
Try again TES kiddie
fbefed No.16550485
>Dated graphics
>Dated physics
>Some poor design choices
At least it had cars with actual AWD drivetrain, instead of being F/RWD (mostly FWD) in newer games.
7bfc4a No.16550542
>>16550411
>>16550443
>no u
Amazing rebuttal there, nigger-brains.
7448e1 No.16550657
>>16550376
You're basically saying "these old graphics with basic interactions are still good, but these aren't". While the gameplay isn't a masterclass, HL still has a lot of fun little details. I also don't see anything wrong with little puzzles as it's basically adding a bit of flair to what would otherwise be "key hunt #294" in Doom. Not that I dislike Doom either.
a7fe2d No.16550693
5c31e9 No.16550714
>>16548933
>>16549238
FEAR was considered average when it was released. I've only seen it be getting better reception as it's getting older and so far as I can tell most people who hate FEAR now seem to be doing it purely to spite people who like it because of whatever stupid reason makes sense to them in their heads. I can say the same thing for Thief III, I've seen more positive reception from younger people who don't get where all the hate comes from.
050f15 No.16550733
>>16549570
>high skill ceiling
Tree tops is an optional level you don't have to do it if you don't want to. The only issue comes if you wanna 100% the game. Getting to Gnasty Gnorc isn't that challenging compared to some other PS1 platformers like Crash 1
050f15 No.16550739
>>16550714
>FEAR was considered average when it was released
>Game that was lauded as having some of the best FPS AI of all time
>average
I wish summer was over
ef90fa No.16550748
>>16549266
>they make the memebot playable in the Pre-Sequel
>he's awful as a "joke"
He deserved a little better. At least revert him to BL1 annoying and not straight into meme idiot territory.
050f15 No.16550749
>>16549266
at the time open world games generally looked way worse visually than a tranditional level based FPS would. Like compare how characters look in GTA San Andreas and Half-Life 2 it's like night and day
ea7c6a No.16550751
>>16550733
Who doesn't 100% their games?
3f5812 No.16550755
>>16550751
Just Cause 2 players
518c78 No.16550761
>>16549183
Half-Life aged well, but most of the games it inspired didn't because they took the setpieces too far. Doom and Hotline Miami have more in common than you might think; its existence shows that a simple score and challenge based game with clearly delineated stages has its place.
5c31e9 No.16550815
>>16550739
Yeah it was considered average, for all the praise the bots get nobody praised those repetitive hallways and it wasn't really that scary after a first time playthrough. The most praise I ever heard about anything else the game had was from journalists.
aa9deb No.16550819
>>16549918
>>16549855
>Different people may perceive the taste of coriander leaves differently.[3] Those who enjoy it say it has a refreshing, lemony or lime-like flavor, while those who dislike it have a strong aversion to its taste and smell, characterizing it as soapy or rotten.[16][26] Studies also show variations in preference among different ethnic groups: 21% of East Asians, 17% of Caucasians, and 14% of people of African descent expressed a dislike for coriander, but among the groups where coriander is popular in their cuisine, only 7% of South Asians, 4% of Hispanics, and 3% of Middle Eastern subjects expressed a dislike.[27]
Studies have shown that 80% of identical twins shared the same preference for the herb, but fraternal twins agreed only about half the time, strongly suggesting a genetic component to the preference. In a genetic survey of nearly 30,000 people, two genetic variants linked to perception of coriander have been found, the most common of which is a gene involved in sensing smells.[28]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander
34a0d2 No.16553047
>>16549244
>It's impossible to acquire depraved fetishes, you can only figure out your affinity towards them and then act on it.
You may be right. However, I've only ever seen talk like this come from people who eventually say something like "And therefore it's okay to allow depravity into society, because nature will somehow magically take care of things" and that still makes you a homosexual. And you may think yourself to be very smart, but you'll never outsmart your own fetishes. Because after all, they're a natural affinity and not a learned habit. =^)
ed6ed4 No.16553367