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>>16535072

niggers

https://www.ig n.com/articles/2019/06/02/bethesda-knew-fallout-76-would-have-bumps-a-ign-unfiltered

https://www.vg 247.com/2019/06/03/todd-howard-fallout-76-criticisms-well-deserved/

>>16535072

You're kind of trying to tell us something different from what is actually happening. Todd didn't "know the game would be shit" this is him expressing the obvious fact that because it wasn't like previous Fallout games that people might not like it from a game design perspective. Todd did not forsee people's seething rage at the bugs, blatantly recycled assets, disastrous product management, weird banning practices and tunnel vision that the game has become associated with.

But normalniggers will still make TESVI sell more copies than Skyrim for some insane reason

He knows all his games are terrible.

SURE THEY FUCKING DID

They knew it was gonna be shit like but nowhere as the shitshow it was and all the other garbage surrounding it. Why are devs even allowed to release a game they know is gonna be shit?

>this is not the type of game that people are used to from us

Classic Todd lie.

>>16535082

Not sure I'd trust that would even hold up its end of the deal as being a bag.

Semi-related, I'm surprised they haven't done a Deathwing-like spinoff where you play as a soldier in power armor.

>>16535109

>implying I go to 4um

archive just doesn't fucking work. It worked just fine before, until just a few months ago when it started 404ing on me.

>>16535128

https://archive.fo/qm3of

https://archive.fo/gmcue

Only normalniggers didn't know or eant to believe this anon.

Why are you posting this like it's something new?

Because they finally admitted it?

>>16535093

FUS RO DAH

>critics hate your game

<we make our game for the fans not critics

>fans also hate your game

<delete all fan reviews

>>16535165

There is a thin line between fan and critic. To them fans are sycophants, and maybe there is some truth to that.

>>16535133

thank you.

>>16535072

>And we knew our new core audience would eat i up.

Bethesdas games without Unofficial Patches are unacceptable buggy messes, difference this time is this will STAY A BUGGY UNACCEPTABLE MESS, because its online and they made modding either extremely confined in their "store" or not even allowed

So no Todd, its not getting that much better, i dont think people will care in a decade when its finally fixed

There is no real "community", only small group of people who are sticking around because they want to play the next thing Bethesda releases (proper games with proper mod support to fix their bullshit again)

>>16535228

Even with the patches their games are busted horseshit that would make streetshitters blush at the sheer programming incompetence.

>>16535072

>muh Metacritic

Cancer.

>muh launching a broken product isn't a problem

Cancer.

>muh community

Cancer.

This defines Bethesda.

>IGN gave it only a 5/10

How did F76 earn 5/10? The game didn't even work.

>Todd knew the game was shit

No fucking shit. There is literally no possible way anyone working on the project wasn't aware what a clusterfuck it was. Also, the Todd memes are funny, but it's time to stop meming Todd and point the finger at the men behind the curtain pulling the strings; Pete Hines and Zionmax. Todd is essentially a PR manager they trod out to do damage control and hype people up, while they scheme up new ways to fuck over the goyim.

>>16535267

They intentionally delayed the review so they could bump up the score under the guise of "it's getting better" just like SimCity 2013.

>>16535239

I know about the Outer Worlds but what else is there?

>>16535267

All scores for AAA games on IGN automatically have +5 points because the publisher owns IGN through advertisement purchases.

>>16535267

These ratings dont make any sense. 5 should be the average, but only true dumpster fires ever get a 5. An average game apparently is around 8, which is completely retarded.

Might as well post this. Personally I forgot about the whole Nuka Cola/Brandy thing.

>>16535267

Just take 5 out of both the score and the maximum to get the actual IGN scores.

>>16535355

To my surprise zenimax isn't public, so not consequences on the stock market. Only the eventual pissed customers and class action lawsuit.

They're genuine piece of shit.

>>16535078

>why are devs even allowed to release a game they know is gonna be shit

because supply and demand don't work anymore, these days supply IS demand. Thus they can shit out whatever they like, without consequence.

>>16535515

From what I heard it somehow worked for No Man Sky, so who knows, though I never played it, nor do I know anyone playing NMS.

>>16535279

>it's not Todd's fault

pretty much.

Todd did nothing wrong tbh. If anything, he's been kind of like a bulwark preventing 100% pure distilled feces being crammed down our throats.

>>16535557

Difference here being that NMS wasn't forced online, as far as I know, and actually playable. It went from being boring to being less boring while 76 went from unplayable to "okay, but why would I bother?".

>>16535562

Hey Todd.

>>16535082

>canvas

Nylon is the new canvas.

Beth is in full damage control before e3

>>16535580

They've also confirmed they have nothing to show. It's probably just going to be NuDoom2 and some 76 expansion or something.

>Todd Howard lying

I'm SHOCKED

>>16535072

I'm pretty sure Todd Howard hates his fans and the modern industry and does this shit on purpose. I bet he thinks of anyone that still pays for games as subhumans because we went from paying for a physical copy, on PC $50 max for a physical copy that was better than today's collector's editions, to paying for a fucking download and DCL and mtx. He releases games unfinished, releases DLC on purpose just to spite people and to extract their money because even though Todd doesn't like digital distribution or releasing buggy games or DLC, he happily takes the money from the subhumans that accept, they don't' deserve that money.

If Bethesda would just stop being faggots and start using an engine from this century, maybe they wouldn't find it so difficult to make a functioning game.

>>16535596

nah, todd is an extreme normalfag and casual and his game design are a reflection of him

he genuinly believes this shit is good

>>16535596

What hurts more is that TES used to be one of the better RPGs at the time, but they casualized it to hell and back. Killing fallout is one thing, but doing the same thing to your own franchise? I Just don't get it

I also agree with

>>16535634

Todd specifically made the game more normalfag friendly since morrowing, that game and oblivion being made for consoles first and foremost, with skyrim being the point of no return, where the redditors and console owners were the only audience they catered to, using the "Mods will fix it" philosophy for the PC players

Too bad he doesn't know the rest of Bethestrash's roster is also shit.

>>16535647

dont kid yourself it started with morrowind

>>16535706

Might wanna brush up on that reading comp.

Why wouldn't the king of bullshit know he sits upon and produces manure for the masses?

>this is not the type of game that people are used to from us

A bug riddled mess? Nah people are used to that already.

For example: When Skyrim came out, the MAIN quest was broken. The one questline that you actually should have made sure worked, didn't.

This is just the first game that couldn't be saved by modders or console commands.

>>16535620

I don't want that to happen at all. I want to see how much longer they can use their frankencode to make games before the games just start destroying hardware and homes from being run.

It was a game that is following the modern philosophy of "Get the money now, fix it later"

Heard that it's an in playable state now, but developers have no reason to stop doing this practice since people will still give them money.

>>16535355

>They had to beg hackers to tell them how they were able to access the Development Room

Oh my fuck, what a bunch of morons. I hope they never find out.

>>16535107

They already did it was called Operation Anchorage.

>>16536381

FO76 is small-time compared to the burning trainwreck Daggerfall was upon release. Bethesda has a history of releasing broken, buggy trash, but at least Daggerfall had the "it's massively ambitious" excuse to fall back on.

>>16536336

>Heard that it's an in playable state now

It isn't. Every bug fix they've released since launch added a new on top. To this day I don't think the "randomly equip two items at once now they're permanently stacked together" glitch ever got fixed. There's bugs in this game that are older than the people playing it. I'm dead fucking serious.

>>16536158

I think Skyrim was the first Bethesda game that couldn't be saved by modders due to them tearing out the core of the game; no matter how much modders would add or fix, without that core you can only do so much window dressing.

Why the fuck do you think its only available on the Bethesda launcher and not Steam? Guess what Bethesda refund policy is? Its fuck you we have your money.

He knew it was an unplayable buggy abortion that wouldn't pass a first semester game dev class project. He also knew he could sell it for full price and add microtransactions and shit eating "gamers" would gladly shovel it all down their dumb throats while asking for more. You can release a barely functioning game, leak private user data, and rip off customers with false advertising and still be just fine because that is just how fucked this industry is.

>>16535072

Of course they knew, but preorders already implied they would turn a profit so they didn't give a fuck. With normalfags they don't even need to release finished game anymore. As long as the cashshop works, they are happy.

>>16535202

For once I'm proud of those faggots. The reaction outside the casuals was this game can get eat ass. Piss them off, say publicly anyone who likes Fallout 76 isn't a real fan. It makes them absolutely assblasted.

>>16535082

did anything ever come out of that lawsuit?

>>16537070

Bethesda caved and are issuing refunds and sending on the proper stuff.

>>16536357

Pete Hines literally said the game would have "spectacular bugs" at launch, they didn't give a fuck.

16x the detail.

>>16537283

What did Todd actually mean by that?

>>16535647

At least Morrowind was not 99% copypaste like Daggerfall.

>>16537358

Daggerfall still did it well. The towns actually feel like little villages in the middle of nowhere. If you play the game without fast travel it's something else, there's nothing that replaces the feeling of stopping by some village to sleep the night, then looking for work in the tavern. You could actually roleplay.

>>16536421

>"it's massively ambitious" excuse to fall back on

All of bethesda games have relied on that to excuse their jank. These days that excuse doesn't hold water when Witcher 3 and Kingdom Come Deliverance, both games competing in the same category of "ambitious" open world rpg and made by slavs on a budget of vodka, were more functional upon release than any bethesda game to date.

Bethesda can't even use the "we're a growing studio" card now that they're swimming in money

>>16537371

Hmmm… too bad that the only engine implementation is made in unity and looks like shit, unlike OpenMW (although they have changed some tiny stuff from vanilla).

Daggerfall seems so big, so empty. Beside the roleplaying, what is in it for you?

Hey, you. I know you lurk this thread. Yes, you, the fucker who can't go one week without a new vegas thread on /v/. The poor asshole who has to pretend he hasn't played in a while and needs a list of recommended mods. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

You can't just like the game and leave it at that, no, you have to turn this into a fucking statement. You don't like New Vegas for what it is, but for what it's up against. That's why you're here, in this thread, that's why you probably already posted two or three times, acting smug at Todd, proclaiming how much you despise nuFallout. Which is all well and good, but you'll still play New Vegas, post in the hypocritical "r-recommended New Vegas mods guise ?" thread, or even be its OP.

Don't fool yourself. New Vegas is an unfinished, badly designed piece of shit and you know it. With the time you've invested in it, you could be blind and you'd still see the huge amounts of empty padding any other game would be crucified for. New Vegas isn't good. You just hold it on a pedestal because it's the only way you can indulge in the bethesdashit you claim to hate and still think you're the more distinguished consumer.

Keep believing that, you stupid shit. Todd has you. He owns your soul with his gamebryo garbage. You think you don't just because it has Chris Avelonne writing on it? If Avelonne made a difference, you would have played once, nodded, and moved the fuck on. But you're still playing and endlessly shilling the game close to a decade later. You're a fucking Bethesdadrone in denial. You can pretend otherwise, but I know. Keep running if you want, being a mindless cultist praying to your Big Iron gods. I know you love Todd like you love Big Brother, and only a veneer of irony can make you live with yourself.

>>16537477

>bethesda drone snaps

>letting big iron chads live in your head, rent free

yikes

>>16535596

He certainly knows that he's the only remotely charismatic game developer, and can therefor get away with lying through his teeth. Chad/alpha/etc

>>16537477

good copypasta

>>16537477

Fallout 1 and 2 were the best ones.

>>16537520

The dungeons in TES2 were so big you'd have to save before entering one in case you got lost.

>>16535355

>Check out his channel

>r/dank memes

>spoonfeeding underage children on the internet like KYM

>Low effort, normalfag/cuckchan memes/anime

>>16535267

Reviewers rely on company goodwill to be one of the first to review products, as well as before the release interviews/game footage/interesting content. Without actual journalism or a desire for integrity over cash, most companies will rarely if ever give a shit rating as it destroys the ability to receive more "donations" from companies for giving favorable coverage. A good example iirc is kotaku who is blacklisted by Bethesda for leaking info they uncovered a while back, which pissed bethesda off. Customer reviews are a far better indicator of quality than "professional" journalists or journalist outlets, like IGN. Though even that is hard to guage nowadays, with things like steam now hiding the actual content score on games, because the people might be angry and not reviewing products in the way steam would like them to, like the review bombs on Bethesda games after the fallout of fallout 76. Though what happened to bethesda and borderlands might just be the stated bullshit reason to make it okay for steam to throw devs a bone, now that they have competition with epic games.

>>16537540

It also un-installed itself from some peoples computers because beths launcher is broken shit.

>>16537724

the funny part about kiketaku getting blacklisted is that they are still very, very butthurt about that.

http://archive.is/RFdTd

>>16535348

i'm sad that you can't look at something rated 5 and go "oh it's just okay"

>>16538034

>>16537724

Have any other companies blacklisted/started blacklisting fake news sites?

>>16535076

No he knew, this is just the modus operandi for GaaS trash. Why waste all that time and money completing the game when you can start making money now, finish it later and have a "second launch" which draws in all the gullible normalfags that denied you the first time?

>>16538034

>>16537540

Don't forget downloading the beta forced you to delete the game manually from your hard drive if you wanted to play the full release, for god knows what reason, because the updater couldn't differentiate between the two. If you had the beta installed, it thought you were trying to copy the game when installing the release version.

It does matter how good it is on launch because people's opinions are really hard to change. That's why it's important to fix bugs BEFORE releasing. People are paying a lot of money for your game and they expect it not to be shit. It's good that they fixed it though I don't understand how you can fix a garbage idea.

>>16537540

>>16538034

>>16538080

Pathetic.

>>16538036

IGN's reviews are heavily inflated and are trash nowadays.

Don't even respond to it.

So, how many copies did they sell on all platforms? I hope it wasn't over a million.

>>16538512

The "game making is hard ;(((" shit is just a demoralization tactic.

>>16538560

1.4 million

>>16538581

It is hard. Not impossible, but it requires a discipline and team cohesiveness that modern studios lack. Games are wholistic things and should be treated as such; no one part should be designed without considering the others. Publishers have realized that they can save money by delegating parts of a game to other studios. The best case scenario for a project like that is Deus Ex HR, where most of the game was serviceable but the boss fights were completely jarring because they were made by another studio, and the worst case is Aliens Colonial Marines which requires no elaboration.

How could he not have?

<Hey guys what if we take that RPG series we own and make an open world multiplayer survival game? And what of we remove all the NPCs? And what if we make it so you can't actually fight other players unless you are formally engaged in PVP, like it is some kind of gentleman duel? And what if we apply CURRENT YEAR to it even though it is set in the apocalypse, so any players who band together to go out and persecute people based on their homosexuality, for example will be permabanned, even though that is something that would totally happen after a nuclear apocalypse?

>>16538512

Game making is hard, the reality is that some companies don't have the talent.

Literally the second they announced Fallout76 I knew it was going to be a shitshow. Bethesda cannot even make a fully working single player game. How are they going to make an online multiplayer one WITH THE SAME ENGINE NO LESS?

On the technical side, Bethesda only has some people that know how to handle gamebryo, as if they were a bunch of 14 year old modders (Remember the train headed guy?). They probably have some guy that upgrades the engine to make it prettier each release but that's about it. They have no real talent whatsoever in there, they cannot make anything that isn't TES, TES in the future or their next franchise TES in space.

They literally DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

>>16538600

and of course don't forget: and what if we use that engine that was made in the early 2000s for a single-player game with very little physics originally implemented to make our game even though the last few attempts doing this have all had bugs even without multiplayer

>>16538606

There has been a severe brain drain on the industry as the old guard of young, unsupervised hopefuls like the id Software founders and experienced and well-educated authors and traditional game designers have all left. Like the guys at BioWare who had fucking PhDs. And they can't be blamed either, since working there has only gotten worse. Now it's just a continuous cycle of kids that have no domain knowledge of the technology they're working with, and just when they start to figure it out they get laid off.

From a technology perspective it is also hopeless. Software absolutely requires both senior people who have used and modified the existing platform for years and new guys with fresh ideas if you want a product which consistently grows and increases in quality.

What Bethesda has done is create a games sweatshop, a factory with no supporting crew to maintain the machinery. It's almost like watching a group of Tech-Priests from Warhammer 40k try to make video games; they aren't allowed to innovate and the only thing they have to work with is ancient technology which they only have a rudimentary understanding of.

>>16537568

The dank meme thing was laughing at reddit for blowing a gasket over “stealing memes”

>>16535557

I like calling it No man tries

>>16538714

>While I want to agree and say that they have no talent, I cant help but point everything to management

The reason their devs have no talent is literally because of management. This isn't enterprise software (yet) where you can bring in a "Informatica guy" or "Salesforce guy" and turn them loose with no guidance and watch them magically fix things and make them better. All games are, by necessity, very large applications with a metric ton of custom-tailored logic, even the ones which try to be as "standard" as possible by using Unity or UE. You can't escape this because games must have tons of rules, again by necessity, and those rules must be written out in code. Big, custom applications like this need subject matter experts or your company is going to be a shitshow. Management does not allow that to happen because they can't reasonably be expected to pay a guy entry level salary for 4 years, so they just lay them off after a single product cycle. Even the best dev can't hope to do much under these conditions.

>>16538954

No, you just pass through them, and there's the dev room inside.

>>16538965

Fitting that the room is abandoned and filled with broken equipment then.

>>16538036

>>16535348

This isn't an issue that's only got to do with video games. It's a generalized issue in the west, with how people perceive products and entertainment in general. The general populace's scale for rating between good and bad is completely broken, and completely lacking in objectivity but then again, a lack of objectivity is more or less a defining characteristic of the overwhelming majority of people out there. I personally use a system where 1 means utterly broken, 3 means bad, 5 means average, 7 means decent, 9 is fucking awesome, and 10 is near perfect.

>>16539131

To me personally, a "6" means "This is a game I enjoyed playing at least a part of for some period of time." The scale up from there is basically how much of the game you enjoyed. "5" is "I really wanted to like the game, but I couldn't bring myself to continue playing it because…" That may differ depending on whether you would bother with something that is mediocre. 4 and below are games I could not bring myself to enjoy playing, with an increasing number of reasons as the score goes down.

>>16537291

The bugs i think.

>>16535082

Those are the kinds of promotional bags that companies give away for free at trade shows. What a gyp.

>>16535228

unless they open up modding I doubt the shit will even be fixed in 10 years. There's still stuff in skyrim that was there day 1 that never even got acknowledged let alone fixed.

>>16538034

>(they haven't responded to a single Kotaku email for 4.5 years and counting)

I'm not fucking surprised. Jason Schreier has done some great work in the past, he was the one who exposed how horrible conditions were at Bioware, but he also puts out articles like "Metacritic Matters: How Review Scores Hurt Video Games"

If Kotaku wants to be taken seriously they have to stop their outrage and Buzzfeed-esque articles. These people always rant about "outrage culture", but they're absolutely guilty of it themselves.

>>16539571

Schreier's the only one there that's ever actually done some form of real journalism, but even that is few and far between. Aside from those articles, he's still a whiny, insufferable jewish faggot who's just as intolerably progressive and bitchy as any other hair dyed feminist you'd catch on the street in downtown SanFran. His few bouts of lucidity and actually doing his damn job don't forgive him of all his disgustingly stereotypical soyboy sensibilities and incessant subversive whining.

>>16538554

I still remeber arguing with people on youtube that

>"No, you brainlet, they are not going to turn the complete joke of a "beta" into anything resembling a functional game in the 2 weeks until launch."

And they still fucking believed they would "fix it" like todd is turbo coding santa.

like the Beta being a trainwreck isnt already proof that they are unable to deliver the game

>>16538589

despite somewhat enjoying that game i completely forgot it even had boss fights.

Pretty much drives home the point about outsourcing.

>>16538661

The big joke about this industry is that if you just swallow your pride as a studio and use something like unity or unreal you can have a pretty functional general purpose engine. Probably not going to make the next crysis with them, but both are extremely well documented and "just work" even if you are a brainlet like me , unlike a bad in-house engine that ends up wasting more money/time due to problems than licence fees for something else would.

>Todd knew FO76 would be shit.

Of course he did. What, did you expect him to tell the truth for once and put the game back into development for 6 months? Especially when Microtransactions are on the line? The whole project was just a scam to dangle the bait of monetization in front of Altman long enough to get the dirty jew to come off of the shekels necessary to expand their studios and buy some new workstations.