/v/ - Video Games

>>16474637

Both are perfectly fine if done well.

>>16474637

>>A new game set in the same universe and with very similar aesthetics, canonically recognized within the lore, but with a gameplay style that is completely different from the original

Darksiders could've pulled that off easily.

>>16474693

That's more an issue of companies replace what people like about the old games with their new stuff. Tank control, fixed camera angle games can still coexist with the modern Resident Evil games but Capcom is too stupid to realize that.

>>16474663

>>16474651

I meant, if you had to choose between the two

Both can be done well, but you can't please everyone. As a dev, you should make what you want and an audience will come. If you're done with a series and people want more, you can explicitly allow fan works like ZUN or just let people create spiritual successors instead. If you want to make a spinoff, go for it. If you don't want to make a series out of a game you made and want to make a similar game of a different "IP" instead, that's fine. If you want to make rehashes, there's people that like the consistency as long as your games are good and not running low on new ideas.

I think the main problem is big devs or publishers chasing the most money which can lead to killing shit off prematurely to take things in a different direction, instead of having artistic integrity and focusing on making good games first and foremost.

>>16475056

<if I wanted some tits I would go watch twitch

>This argument again.

Get new material.

>>16475094

>Torpedo can't ague in good faith

stay mad sweet cheeks.

argue*

>>16474637

You know things are bad with some people's tastes when choosing between different flavors of creative bankruptcy is all they have.

You can do Drakengard-Nier, where the connection of the games is so well obscured, half the players don't even realise it's there.

depends if the gameplay - even though unlike previous titles - is good and second one is objectively better if it plays better

good gameplay is essential to having fun

>>16475247

That's not true. Both Appeal to Novelty and Appeal to Tradition are fallacies. If something works its a sure thing but you suffer from stagnation, if its new its success is always a gamble but you may potentially invite. I think their is a golden mean between both positions where you value what works and but are angel enough to innovate.

>inb4 Argument to moderation

that is only an informal fallacy. Sometimes compromise is good, its just a fallacy to assume its _always_ good. Sometimes there is no middle ground.

there*

>>16474993

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is an example of both of those.

>>16475410

Don't change Deus Ex' golden formula. It's been done. It's good as it is. What should they do then? Make remasters of Deus Ex until the end of time? See that you have made the best and roll over and die? No, try to make something new. Always keep chasing creativity.

>>16475410

>if it works don't fucking touch it

So don't make new games?

>>16478560

>just keep eating the same shit over and over!

Drastic change isn't necessary, but if nothing changes at all then why fucking bother?

I just want good games.

It really depends on the series. I can't really put it well in words, so I'm going to give a couple of examples

For the former example, I'd like such a game for the Mortal Kombat series. Something like Shaolin monks, for example.

For the latter, such a game for either Ninja Gaiden or Shinobi iteration.

>>16474693

Horror Games.

>Horror games slowly start removing their ambiance

>Worlds are dull and bland, yet so lively you can't even tell it's a horror game anymore.

>Horror games remove tension and the fear that at an enemy you can't deal with could be around the corner -- Then replace it with enemies constantly threatening you.or stalking you so you can't have a moments peace to even build any tension.

And my personal favorite.

>Replace dread with JUMPSCARES ABOOGA BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA

And then there's individual games.

Demons Souls.

>Could build your character anyway you wish. Negative gains didn't appear until NewGame+6

>Could run around with two Tower Shields like a doofus or two Dragon Bone Smashers.

>Lore was explained

>Enemies used their natural advantages.

Then came Dark Souls, 2 and 3, Bloodborne

>Each content patch nerfed how you could build a character. Can't even be an Archer anymore.

>Combat "upgrades" make fun builds more work than they're worth.

>Enemies with wings could be pushed off a cliff to their death. When in Demons Souls, enemies with wings, when pushed off a cliff would simply fly back up to continue beating your ass.

>Lore is absolutely convoluted and hidden. In some cases, they have to patch in NPCs (DS2/BB) to explain what's happening because there's absolutely nothing or no one in the game to tell you.

>>16474637

>Option 1

only example i can think of is Chrono Cross wich was a good JEPG on it's own right but completly fucked up the canon of Chrono Trigger by makin a once simple story into an unnecesarily comboluted mess of time travel and alternate dimensions…

Oh! and there's also WoW spawning from Warcraft…

>Option 2

i loooooooooooooooooooove 2D Sonic games and was soul crushingly dissapointed with the avomination that was Sonic 4, hopefully fanboys came to save the day With Before & After the sequel and Sega was smart enough to hire them for Sonic Mania

that said

i love Freedom Planet even more

say what you will about furry faggotry, the cringe inducing story or the fucked up physics engine that lets you run up walls at walking speed, i still love to speed run through it

i'm choosing Option 2

>>16474637

Is the gameplay good?

I don't give a shit if they decided to make a completely different game, or if the canon is completely different, as long as it's good and I can enjoy playing it I will rike it.

>>16479609

>Is the gameplay good?

You'd think this was the end-all argument, but time and time again people will shit on new games because they change too much, add politics, niggers, trannies, you name it. Truth be told, most of these nu-games suck in gameplay, but the point still stands.

>>16485140

Sure, but the gameplay needs to be good no matter what.

>>16485587

Well, it's true? Like, consider how many people still buy Bethesda games despite them knowing they always suck. Or how Paracucks fucks over those who wanna play /gsg/s since they're currently the only ones with a game of that scope, despite it being grindy as shit.

>>16485140

Yeah, but I can't enjoy the gameplay if it involves interacting with nigger and tranny NPCs unless it involves shooting them in the head.

>>16475056

I wanted to highlight the stupidest parts of your post, but holy shit I'd end up quoting all of it. What a tremendous faggot.

>>16485593

>Stockholm syndrome is a condition which causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity. These alliances result from a bond formed between captor and captives during intimate time together

>>16485619

i think people buying these games is more akin to thinking a whore is in love with you