6625fb No.16460453
I recently started replaying FFXVI for the first time in at least 10 years on my PS Vita and boy did this game surprise me. Not by it being a good game, thats pretty much universally agreed on, but on the TECHNOLOGY it does in subtle ways. For example:
>Early on you trigger a conversation with 2 npcs and one goes "follow me, i'll show you to your room" and in real time goes through 3 different areas to lead you, not as a cutscene but a real time event you need to manually follow, or don't if you wish. Something a lot of games were effectively making a cutscene as you lose control and get pulled along a scripted path as recently as the nintendo DS as a go to design choice.
>In battle you can cast magic, something meant to be only myth in this game, and the character that recognises it stops the battle to freak out in the middle of the fighting arena. Then for a lenghty discussion to take place with the protagonist winking and making a pose at her teammates to swoon and fall out of the screen and then jump back into place in the lineup when she says "stop swooning!" and the fight continues. This is entirely optional.
>A mode 7 overworld that truly makes vehicles offer a sense of scale and exploration around the world thats different to another sprite moving in the cardinal directions like all other rpgs till the jump to 3D CD based games.
>A full 30% or more of the game is optional secrets like sleeping at an inn with a certain character getting a flashback sequence or straight up secret party members you can find.
Nowadays a lot of stuff it does is not exactly common but also no longer unique but looking back and thinking how this was following up FFV and running on the exact same hardware and its in many ways a more impressive jump than FFVII because its not some huge new technological leap, merely developer skill and creativity using the exact same tools instead and that aspect of the game seems really under appreciated compared to just "it looks better and has a deeper story".
What games have you revisited lately that do things better than you remembered?
0e0367 No.16460510
>>16460453
I remember when Crysis first came out, and I fucking hated it. I wrote it off as being a shitty tech demo, and that it's basically Far Cry with a power suit. Which, by all definitions, it's really just that.
I reinstalled it recently after not touching it for over a decade, I'm surprised how well it looks even today. Also being able to play it at 60+fps helps things a good bit. It's still basically a tech demo, but it's a pretty good game in its own right: I loved Predator, Commando, and Rambo; and in Crysis, I'm all three at once.
The depressing part is that it was also the last bastion of a true PC-first game. Everything that's come after has been PC-port trash, and it's pretty depressing in the worst fucking way.
25632c No.16460514
9 out of 10 response in this thread will be pretty much "at least it isn't as bad as X". The long game of lowering standards is how things get worse.
4d038c No.16460549
215689 No.16460565
>>16460453
>FFXVI
>Final Fantasy 16
67fa06 No.16460567
>>16460453
It was the last game of it's generation OP, there was a lot of small details but there was also a lot of bullshit cuts, and OP, read up your roman numerals, otherwise people the only people happy are the Classic FF fans.
And would Tiberian Sun, it has some clunks but the unit pathfinding was pretty good.
4a77ff No.16460655
Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
When I first picked it up years ago, I tried it for exactly 2 missions before dropping it like a rock.
I decided to try it again last night and (after a bit of messing around to make the controls workable) found the game to be very decent.
It has its faults, but it's certainly not unplayable tier.
I imagine the multiplayer would be pretty easy to set up even with an emulator for a lite MGO experience.
c75307 No.16460713
>FFXVI
Good timing, I'm replaying FF6 myself. It's got a lot of fancy aesthetic stuff and looks fantastic, but it's still inferior in gameplay to FF5, like almost every game in the series.
9320cc No.16460717
>>16460453
Appreciating the quality of early Squaresoft games feels bittersweet these days when modern Squenix is more obsessed with making trailers that tease the announcement of a trailer that will be released in 9 months for a game that won't come out for 15 years because they keep leaving it up to one talentless hack who is more obsessed with fashion and setpiece cutscenes than making a game that even vaguely measures up to the kind of games the company made 30 fucking years ago.
25632c No.16460726
>>16460717
On the other hand if they actually did release their games on time you'd just have more terribly designed crap on the market. Them wasting as much money as possible with nothing to show for it is probably the best we can hope for.
0bd3c1 No.16460739
>>1640453
ET. The game was misunderstood on top of having some issues. People didn't understand the goal of ET was to collect items and then go back to the area to escape. These ideas weren't really done before.
Some guy actually made a fix for ET so you don't fall down holes when your head touches them. Not saying the game is great but still better than I remember. http://www.neocomputer.org/projects/et/
Donkey Kong Land 2. It was frustrating as a child but I liked playing as the spider. I actually 100% completed as a kid but I ended up hating it for how clunky the movement could get and how you could run into shit offscreen like this was am arcade game trying to get ylur scheckels. Playing it now is a lot better. ai guess emulation and better expectations help.
cd1caa No.16460753
Parasite Eve 1. The horror feels more real once you can understand what they are actually saying.
MediEvil 1. Every once in a while I replay this gem. Absolutely love it.
Strrets of Rage for the genesis. That soundtrack is a big Yikes for me, but its a good thing.
9320cc No.16460756
>>16460726
It's really hard to say what might happen if they weren't afforded a decade or two for development time on one game. Used to be that the limitations of hardware and time would lead to games like FFVI, and the industry flourished in spite of some impossible barriers. Now they're given more resources and better technology than their predecessors could ever dream of, and not only do they blow through billions of dollars, but they miss every deadline and completely miss the initial target of making a fun, engaging game to play.
2b10bc No.16460780
>>16460510
>It's still basically a tech demo
It's not. A "Tech Demo" isn't a game that pushes the envelope with visuals but otherwise has standard genre gameplay. It's a game where much or all of the gameplay centers around some tech gimmick. Link's Crossbow Training or even Portal, for example.
>>16460717
They aren't churning out top-tier classics anymore, but they're still mostly putting out decent games about on par with Capkike.
>>16460753
>parasite eve
>horror
The dialog is pretty horrific, but in a good way. Don't mind the meme filter.
>MediEvil 1
Still my favorite 3d hack'n'slash.
>Streets of Rage
I hope you're playing Bare Knuckle 1-3 instead of the cucked burger versions.
3cfef5 No.16460783
>>16460655
I thought PO was pretty fun. My only major complaint was that playing it longer than 15 minutes made me feel physically ill
3cfef5 No.16460784
>>16460780
>cucked burger versions
What exactly was changed besides a few names?
f60b8d No.16460796
>>16460784
Most of it is on SoR/Bare Knuckle 3. 2 only had the removal of the final boss' cigar and altering Blaze's kick to not upskirt. 3 removes/redraws some enemies and gets rid of the leather daddy gay boss that you can play, among other things.
4a77ff No.16460800
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>>16460783
The shitty framerate would be my biggest complaint.
I played it on my PSP, but now I remembered that there's a perfectly working emulator, so I looked up to see if there were any 60fps hacks.
Lo and behold, there are: https://forums.ppsspp.org/showthread.php?tid=4799&pid=104163
67ad53 No.16460820
>>16460510
Good game, but it's a shame the gameplay and level design go downhill when the aliens are introduced.
503ae1 No.16460822
As a kid, I had a copy of Medievil that was too scratched and couldn't reliably be played. That, and I never had the data space for my saves because of.. you know. Anyways, I nuked all the saves on a memory stick and tried to beat this thing. Before, I could never get after red guy on the mountain. The game would always freeze up. Cleaning the disc did nothing. So, in frustration, I popped open my ps2 mid-freeze and slammed it back shut. Amazingly, that worked! I just open/closed the ps2 whenever it froze and beat the game that way. It was an amazing game, and I hope to play the second Medievil one day.
7d4d52 No.16460831
>>16460453
> FFXVI
tell us your secrets, time traveler
b215a7 No.16460837
>>16460453
>best FF ever made is better then you remember
FF7 is overrated and the only reason it's popular is because it's the one that appealed to graphics whores to introduce the series to cancerous normal fags. The only thing good about 7 was Tifa's boobs.
3017b1 No.16460860
>>16460837
FF7 gets no real criticism, only baseless cries that it is overrated, this lack of criticisim has made the reality that the game is in fact underrated as people assume it is worse than it really is. This brings them to the conclusion that it is actually the best final fantasy, which it is.
b215a7 No.16460877
>>16460860
>baseless
lol suck more dick normal fag.
3d687b No.16460885
>>16460756
>they miss every deadline and completely miss the initial target of making a fun, engaging game to play
Making a fun engaging game to play is no longer a goal for AAA gaming studios. It's regurgitating identity politics through a shiny layer of polished shit. If they actually do make a fun engaging game to play, its more of a coincidence than purposeful design.
2b10bc No.16460890
>>16460860
>This brings them to the conclusion that it is actually the best final fantasy
It's the most ambitious mainline title in the series that actually managed to pull off what it was trying to accomplish, but as a whole I think IX is the better game. Everyone knows Tactics is the best FF anyway.
f92b39 No.16460895
>>16460860
31 year old boomer here, who remembers it's heyday.You want legit criticism? You got it sunshine.
>Story is a slightly convoluted mess that only got stupider when they expanded the canon.
>Chocobo breeding was a crapshoot that required a strategy guide to not pull your hair out.
>Popeye arms. There was no excuse for tthis, there are earlier PS1 games with better models, they look like fucking placeholders.
>Translation was spotty. Admittedly this only applies to the western release.
>The fanbase.
I mean I genuinely like FF7 (Though i prefer IX for it's characters and setting) but it really is a product of it's time and certainly not flawless.
3d687b No.16460906
>>16460895
My main problem with it is that the graphics did not age well. It aged much worse than the sprite-based games preceding it. The game play and story were okay. I liked the story in FFVI better.
2b10bc No.16460917
>>16460895
>Story is a slightly convoluted mess
It was very M.Night, but in a good way.
>that only got stupider when they expanded the canon
I don't think it's fair to apply criticisms of the failings of later entries done by completely different people to 7. This is like saying Fallout 1/2 are shit because 3 ruined the canon.
>Chocobo breeding was a crapshoot that required a strategy guide to not pull your hair out.
Strategy guide sales bait for sure.
>Popeye arms
Can't argue with that.
>Translation was spotty
You say spotty, I say endearing. I bet you hate Woolsey too you nigger.
>The fanbase
It's a singleplayer game, anon. The fanbase and the game are entirely separate.
3302c9 No.16460943
>>16460860
The game is utterly piss easy. Two mandatory bosses in the entire game put up any sort of fight, and that's on a minimal-level playthrough. What this means is that all the depth contained within the materia and equipment system and the side quests involved in obtaining them is completely put to waste.
The story railroading segment of Midgar drags on for far too long.
Far too much unskippable dialogue, cutscenes, and other forms of exposition interrupting the actual gameplay. Not like FFVI or most other Final Fantasy games don't have this problem though. Serious impediment to replayability.
3302c9 No.16460948
>>16460917
>This is like saying Fallout 1/2 are shit because 3 ruined the canon.
Yeah, instead Fallout 1 and 2 are shit for entirely their own failings.
f05620 No.16460950
>>16460906
>just the graphics
That was not the only problem, story really was a mess cut up into bits and pieces then scattered all over the map/discs.
You have to 100% the entire map multiples times to get the entire gist of whats happening. You can say its not convoluted because autists like me went and filled up the wiki
>>16460917
>It was very M.Night, but in a good way.
The Zack twist isn't whats convoluted, its the Aerith, Sephiropth, Cetra, Vincent, Hojo, and Lucretia bloated the whole thing into insane proportions
>This is like saying Fallout 1/2 are shit because 3 ruined the canon.
more like 3,4, and 76 are whats ruining the series. Dirge of Cerebus added nothing but problems.
>You say spotty, I say endearing.
There were really were problems in the translation, they didnt understand pronunciations so certain characters were confused with others.
or out right butchered certain monsters a chimera is not a harpy and what the fuck is a safer sephiroth?
To add onto him there were numerous minigames that were annoying but had to be completed to complete the story
Unskippable summons, unskippable dialogues, unskippable cutscenes that bugged your game.
2b10bc No.16460989
>>16460950
>its the Aerith, Sephiropth, Cetra, Vincent, Hojo, and Lucretia bloated the whole thing into insane proportions
For me that added to the replayability, eventually piecing it all together across multiple runs, like a movie that requires multiple viewings to get the most out of it.
>Dirge of Cerebus added nothing but problems
Pretend it doesn't exist.
>To add onto him there were numerous minigames that were annoying but had to be completed to complete the story
I still enjoy the minigames to this day. The "annoying" ones (marching/fort condor) don't even need to be properly completed to progress in the game. Fail the march and get your grenade, set the fort condor speed to high and just let the enemy reach the tower, fight one guy and you're done.
>Unskippable summons, unskippable dialogues, unskippable cutscenes that bugged your game
I guess, but I'm personally not the kind of person that skips cutscenes. If I'm replaying it, I'm doing it for the entire experience, not the bog-standard JRPG gameplay.
f05620 No.16461023
>>16460989
To each his own but when you say it like that i understand.
>Pretend Dirge of Cerebus doesn't exist.
Done and done
000000 No.16461042
>>16460753
>Yikes
Go back to cuckchan, faggot.
>>16460837
The Materia system is fun, and the whole presentation of the game is good. Overrated, yes. But still a good game.
ce1101 No.16461052
>>16460917
>bad translations are actually good
No wonder the localization industry is still shit, EOPs happily eat it up and ask for seconds.
4fc5cc No.16461055
Still my waifu after all these years.
And they say true love don't real.
e546c6 No.16461066
>>16461055
>And they say true love don't real
She's not real
f05620 No.16461069
>>16461055
>>16461066
>ff13 is the first game with a female protagonist
I will never stop hating those faggots.
She loves Locke though
4aa282 No.16461077
0415b1 No.16461079
Honestly, Dragon Quest. Just all of that series. I remember trying to play it a long time ago and thinking that it was so simple that it was boring and I ultimately lost interest. However after the Erdrick Smash rumors began intensifying I decided to go back and not only try the games again but learn about it's history so I could try to learn any references the character might have when he was revealed for Smash. As a result, I found that the simplicity of the series is actually more of a benefit than a detriment thanks to the sheer fact that each game is consistently good and aside from a couple of exceptions, each game is pretty much better than the last. Compare this to Final Fantasy, which is more experimental but much less consistent in it's quality. It's like going to a Mom and Pop restaurant that isn't too exciting but the comfort food they serve is consistently good every single time you have it versus the big flashy expensive restaurant that constantly changes it's menu but every change pisses off it's customer base. Plus it helps that I can really appreciate the historical importance that Dragon Quest has on RPGs in general now.
4aa282 No.16461080
>>16460948
Fallout 2 is legit 10/10. Best PC game i ever played.
a65a2b No.16461082
GTA IV. I didn't like it at all back when it came out because I wanted another big GTA like SA, and I was unimpressed by the technology involved. And sure, the game DOES sadly have a lot of cancer that's prevalent in games today (such as lack of content or too many scripted sequences) but a few years later it grew on me as to me it has the most detailed city in an open world game (even though it could be better in a few areas, such as having a busier Star Junction that could really feel more like Times Square) and cool fictionalized car designs. Especially after GTA V came out and disappointed me with its unsatisfying gameplay and even less content with emphasis on gimmicks.
2b10bc No.16461090
>>16461052
Sometimes quirky translations can feel more true to the material than accurate rewrites. Obviously you don't want serious errors or censorship, but compare the SNES vs DS versions of Chrono Trigger for a good example of what I mean.
>>16461077
Agreed. If you can look at it as a fallout-themed looter shooter instead of a proper entry to the series, it's pretty okay.
3302c9 No.16461091
>>16461080
It's trash. What flaws from the first game it actually fixes, it introduces new ones of its own. Doesn't deserve more than a 6/10 at best.
3302c9 No.16461094
56b2e5 No.16461101
>>16461069
>Locke's face
Not sure if I'm just imagining it but he almost looks like Master Asia.
>>16460989
>>16461023
Hey, remember that time Lucretia murdered Vincent's dad, then felt so bad about it that she dumped Vincent for Hojo?
3302c9 No.16461102
>>16461079
>each game is pretty much better than the last
IV better than III? Anon pls.
b73734 No.16461105
>>16460780
People are not literal when they call a game a tech demo.
f05620 No.16461111
>>16461101
>Hey, remember that time Lucretia murdered Vincent's dad, then felt so bad about it that she dumped Vincent for Hojo?
yes i also remember her hiding herself in a waterfall cave and not fucking helping us stop sephiroth cause she felt guilty.
0415b1 No.16461112
>>16461102
I did say with a couple of exceptions.
4aa282 No.16461115
>>16461091
It would be 6/10 if it was new game today. There are no flaws in Fallout 2.
>>16461090
That is how i see it. Farcry in Fallout. I didn't realy enjoyed Fallout 3 and NV soo it is realy not problem for me.
3302c9 No.16461131
>>16461115
>There are no flaws in Fallout 2.
Pure fanboy vision.
Fallout 2 has
-shit controls
-one of the worst inventory management systems in the history of RPGs
-an absolutely insane amount of bugs
-fundamentally broken skill system due to fetishization for dice roll success probabilities (i.e., don't blow 200% on that skill because it can still somehow fail and fuck you over)
-fetish for instant-game-over enemy critical hits ensuring the player is savescumming often enough that that they don't notice how broken the rest of the system is
-combat system is shallow enough that at the end of the day the side questing in order to build your character up amounts to hardly anything because the game is trivial to beat
Oh but none of those count, flawless game, 10/10.
7896b4 No.16461148
>>16461131
I will never get how anyone can prefer F2 over F1.
529e26 No.16461149
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I played Chrono Trigger as my first Square RPG back in 2014 or so, but forgot a lot of it and remembered it as not too much more than a more streamlined and polished FF SNES game. Recently I had to do some boring shit and wanted something in the background while I worked, and pulled up Vinny on Chrono Trigger. I forgot how everything feels with the visuals and music and how comfy of a game it really can be. I decided to go ahead and play Chrono Cross for the first time and just beat it yesterday. It did some neat stuff although I can see how people would be annoyed if they were expecting Chrono Trigger.
d41286 No.16461160
>>16460780
>all of the gameplay centers around some tech gimmick.
That's called a "proof of concept", where the concept is the Portal gun, and the game is purely about proving it can work.
A tech demo (in the literal sense) only exists to show off the engine, or what can be done on hardware, and has no gameplay. Half-Life 2 Lost Coast is a tech demo, it has no gameplay and just shows off the graphics. Calling a game a tech demo shits on the gameplay, implying it wasn't important to the devs as was the graphics.
>>16461079
DQ still did some experimental shit, that you might not recognize on the surface. IV fucked with story presentation, V had monster collection (when only SMT had done it before), VII was VII, and IX did some wild online shit you'll never see without a time machine.
FF experiments with the parts that work, while DQ keeps a consistent base and experiments on top of that.
3302c9 No.16461169
>>16461148
I get it. Fallout 2 has more mainline content and fixed some of the problems of 1. The problem is they're both shit games.
f92b39 No.16461177
>>16460950
>what the fuck is a safer sephiroth?
A less dangerous one, duh!
2b10bc No.16461187
>>16461094
Sure, why not.
>The game is utterly piss easy
This is common thread with all turn-based JRPGs. I can't really hold it against them since there's next to no player skill involved in the genre, so the best you can do to present a real challenge is (typically optional) bosses with mega-bloated stats that require above and beyond progression or specific gimmicks to tackle.
>all the depth contained within the materia and equipment system and the side quests involved in obtaining them is completely put to waste
I really enjoy the completionist aspect of the materia system, and feel the player is sufficiently rewarded with fun spells for going hard with it, but then again I've always been a big fan of collectathons.
>The story railroading segment of Midgar drags on for far too long.
I can see how this would be a problem if you didn't enjoy the setting. For me, the Kalm/Nibelheim section is the only part that really irks me on replays.
>>16461105
What they actually mean 9/10 times is "my shitbox couldn't run it at launch".
>>16461160
>That's called a "proof of concept", where the concept is the Portal gun
Less on the portal gun, and more on general Havok implementation. It turned out to be a decent game, but I think it strongly straddles the line between game and tech demo, especially when you read into the development history of the game, why the game ended up being tied into the HL series, when and why the story was written, etc.
529e26 No.16461190
>>16460950
>story really was a mess cut up into bits and pieces then scattered all over the map/discs.
>You have to 100% the entire map multiples times to get the entire gist of whats happening. You can say its not convoluted because autists like me went and filled up the wiki
I like to boil down the story of FFVII to the following: it's about how Cloud is being controlled by Sephiroth, who is being controlled by Jenova, who is being controlled by Sephiroth.
e20863 No.16461202
>>16460453
>FFXVI
I got tifasdicks.copypasta as the banner pic. Is this a sign?
f92b39 No.16461210
>>16461190
To be fair to you, at least it wasn't the sheer mess of infinite sorceresses that 8 was.
even if I do have a reluctant soft spot for 8
f05620 No.16461240
>>16461190
>I like to boil down the story of FFVII to the following: it's about how Cloud is being controlled by Sephiroth, who is being controlled by Jenova, who is being controlled by Sephiroth.
Except it Cloud was being controlled by jenova cells that was controlled by jenova who manipulated her other cells to look like Sephiroth.
Sephiroth was strong thanks to jenova cells in the end he was controlling jenova. But wait Sephiroth isn't actually related to jenova, he's actually born from two humans, who thought jenova was related to the cetra who were in fact the ancient enemies of Jenova, but hojo didn't know this when he made his rape baby with Lucretia.
The real Cetra is Aerith who's mom decided to run into enemy territory instead of away from the enemy. Why? because fuck logic.
Sephiroth is insane because he thinks his mother is a decapitated head, real mother won't even confront his son to save the planet.
>>16461210
>To be fair to you, at least it wasn't the sheer mess of infinite sorceresses that 8 was.
that was even more confusing.
b73734 No.16461255
Might as well throw my hat in while I'm at it.
Hybrid Heaven
First playthrough
<most man ass opening you could ask for, no explanation of anything whatsoever
<your gun turns into a sonic squirt gun
<WTF is this turn based shit
Second playthrough after a long time
>pile driving every single alien I can grab through world wrestling
>curb stomping everything else after I kicked them across the room
>everything can be tricked into running into your kicks by simply running away and then rapidly turning around to wallop them
>final bosses are actually satisfying to fight
>some of the aliens just make you wonder what the fuck you're fighting exactly
<still hate that fucking segment involving to giant aliens where you have to jump because the camera switches at the right moment to fuck you up
>love the music
Overall not the greatest but once you realize you can round house the glasses off the MiB clones it's those little details that make it engaging. If I were to change anything though I wouldn't make the fights ARPGs but actual fights, you can preconfigure your movesets outside the fights.
3302c9 No.16461281
>>16461255
>once you realize you can round house the glasses off the MiB clones
What the hell you better not be lyin about this anon.
4aa282 No.16461285
>>16461169
>Fallout 1,2 are shitty games.
What?
>>16461131
i would agree there are some bugs but that core of PC gaming anyway. i don't agree with rest. it is game from cca 98. it was pure gold.
0415b1 No.16461295
>>16461289
>late doublepost
What the fuck? Is the site on the fritz again?
0cf76a No.16461300
>>16461295
>Again
Is it ever stable?
452dfa No.16461310
>>16461289
I'm so mad we didn't get DQX. Besides IX, the whole series is great. DQ XI even has a legit hardo modo for cynical misers like me to enjoy.
2b10bc No.16461316
18fdcc No.16461330
>>16461316
Yeah, it's one of the post regurgitation bots.
785b8d No.16461336
>>16461055
Used goods that got gangraped in a dungeon. Superior VI waifu coming through, don't @ me nigger.
f05620 No.16461357
>>16461336
shes a messiah allegory shes gonna be pure till the day she die
also she's a furry she sick fuck
91f575 No.16461358
Modern Warfare 2 is actually a pretty fun party game 8======D
b4b74d No.16461368
>>16461281
Only specific attacks work and positioning and timing has to be perfect. Graphically it's just changing the texture to an agent without glasses but it's a nice touch.
efd301 No.16461372
>>16460950
>Dirge of Cerberus
I genuinely wouldn't have minded Dirge of Cerberus if it played remotely well.
ce1101 No.16461439
>>16461330
>post regurgitation bots
Is that a thing now? For what purpose?
6b4488 No.16461449
>>16461439
You don't remember bui?
33ca4d No.16461470
>>16460453
Crysis was my childhood game and I played it again only to find it even better than it was before.
6b4488 No.16461475
>>16461470
>Crysis was my childhood game
3d687b No.16461512
>>16461481
>2005 was 19 years ago, anon.
I see you can't into math.
3d687b No.16461515
At least you had the decency to delete that post.
6b4488 No.16461516
>>16461481
How are things in 2024? Has the race war started yet?
f05620 No.16461525
>>16461481
I need some winning lotto numbers from your last 5 years 2024-2019 if you please
785b8d No.16461529
>>16461357
Invalid, only her human form stays after the ending of the game
f05620 No.16461531
>>16461529
But her furry form is her true form ergo you didnt love her for herself. She may be Superior Waifu tier but you shit husbando tier
0101bc No.16461537
>>16461470
>Crysis
<GET OUT OF HERE KID
>Game came out 12 years ago
>if he played it when he was six he's an adult now
AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH
ce1101 No.16461551
>>16461537
18 is still a kid. You're not an adult until at least 25.
efd301 No.16461564
>>16461551
>25
Try 250, mon keigh.
785b8d No.16461583
>>16461531
>esper form
>true form
She fucking cast it aside so she could stay alive in the world to love and be loved. Ergo, she's basically a mutt that got the ability to dump out the nigger in her.
2367c8 No.16461610
Wild Guns Reloaded is a beautiful game.
Granted it's a remaster, but the game is more beautiful than from what I remember, or at least I can now appreciate the details much more now that I'm not a small child.
The dog is also a great addition
0101bc No.16461614
>>16461540
>>16461551
As far as the law is concerned, 18 years old is an adult. As far as the board rules are concerned, it's 18 and up.
a65a2b No.16461659
>>16461551
Everything should depend on the context.
For example, I'm not going to call 14 year old girls "children" since they have taken so much cock and had dozens of sexual partners.
912f0a No.16461664
If a game is better than you remember then you obviously don't remember it, you fucking retard.
Everyone is this thread has down syndrome and should drink bleach immediately.
ce1101 No.16461732
>>16461664
>Everyone is this thread
I guess that includes you.
56c2b0 No.16461745
>>16461614
That depends on the location and the context. For example in the US you can consent to sex at 16-17 in most places but can't die for israel until 18 and can't drink until 21.
3402f2 No.16461768
>>16460780
>Portal, for example
Portal was built on an engine that had been around for 3 years already. HL2 was the "tech demo," but you won't say that because of how retarded that makes you sound.
d786bf No.16461806
>>16461310
I actually have the Switch version pre-ordered, if only because of the fact that we're finally getting orchestral music in the game without having to mod it and the extra goodies look genuinely interesting.
3302c9 No.16461867
>>16461610
Too bad they shat all over a classic with DRM.
508eab No.16461903
>>16461187
>This is common thread with all turn-based JRPGs
Man I really hate this excuse. Fanboys constantly use it defend absolutely anything and everything regardless of how true it is. Sure, you could argue that all JRPGs don't really require skill, but there are clear differences between FF7 and Elminage Gothic and you are blatantly trying to sidestep criticism by saying there isn't. Chrono Trigger has very similar gameplay to FF7 and I don't think it's hard at all, but it's far less of a cakewalk and the combat is far more entertaining as a result.
25632c No.16461928
>>16461903
> but it's far less of a cakewalk
This isn't the lol thread.
508eab No.16461954
>>16461928
>first battle in Chrono Trigger
>you have 60 HP
>enemy does about 10 damage a hit
>first battle in FF7
>you have 300 HP
>enemy does about 10 damage a hit
The trend only continues throughout the game. Please explain what makes FF7 harder than CT.
25632c No.16461960
>>16461954
So you didn't even play either, got it.
0375c9 No.16461979
>>16461610
they redid a lot of the art assets with extra detail. Natsume's been really surprising me with their recent work.
>>16461867
if your first step is griping over drm, your next step should be to get the physical copy.
1fc856 No.16462019
>>16461101
It looks like a combination of two of the characters. Locke, and Cyan. Incidentally when I played FF6 I would always call Cyan Asia.
3302c9 No.16462097
>>16461979
>your next step should be to get the physical copy
Already got it and I've owned it for ~15 years. Fuck modern Natsume for raping their classics with DRM cancer.
25632c No.16462192
>>16461979
>responding to the tencent chink
bf2af2 No.16462297
>>16460943
All JRPGs are piss-easy; it's all menus and button pressing, and if you can't power your way through a boss you just grind. Midgar was varied and interesting for all the urban decay, and i honestly wish you could do more with it; now, the tunnels segment was repetitive bullshit, but that's not until towards the end of the game. Also every RPG has dialog out the ass, especially in an era of unskippable segments. I don't think you're complaining about Final Fantasy 7, i think you're bitching about 90% of JRPGs period.
25632c No.16462308
>>16462297
JRPGs didn't use to be about mashing through dialogue until FF4 happened.
0375c9 No.16462394
>>16462097
>Already got it and I've owned it for ~15 years
alright time traveler
>DRM cancer.
yeah, PC ports are unnecessary
b5714c No.16462402
>>16460822
The second game is not as good as the first one, it's only worth playing if you REALLY want more medievil it also ends on a cliffhanger, and the third game got cancelled ages ago, the PSP remake is also kind of shitty compared to the original; they cut a ton of levels, shoved a couple new ones, forced a """ quirky""" companion on you and for some ungodly reason they made the game more lighthearted and humorous, for example dan makes a "triumphant" noise and strikes a pose whenever he falls into a hole/water and resurrects with a life bottle.
3302c9 No.16462403
>>16462297
That's really not true and you would know if you'd play more of them. Japanese turn-based RPGs can be quite challenging, see the SMT or Etrian Odyssey games. Japanese action-based RPGs can also be quite challenging, see the Tales of games.
>>16462394
>PC ports = DRM
Pick your spine up off the floor. Perhaps some may be too young or were never in the loop enough to know this, but the world of Japanese game PC ports used to be almost entirely DRM-free.
b877e8 No.16462436
You really have to wonder where all that old talent went. Eushully is the only company I can actually anticipate good games from.
25632c No.16462445
>>16462436
They all either moved on to greener pastures or were killed by paranoid corporatists.
fe8098 No.16462454
>>16460895
You would've been 6 years old when it came out. You're too young to remember its heyday.
bf99a9 No.16462541
>>16460713
why is that women pushing that boy?
508eab No.16462561
>>16462297
Find an actual argument you subhuman nigger
25632c No.16462611
>>16462454
You're bad at math.
bf2af2 No.16462700
>>16462561
Give me a sound complaint you cumguzzling dick parade. I will, in turn, tell you why you're wrong because FF7 is fantastic, and the only reason why you can't understand that is you're fucking mentally irregular. This homosexual give-and-take will continue until you get tired of it because i am relentless in my internet textual masturbation.
508eab No.16462723
>>16462700
"other game does it too" does not excuse FF7 being a game where you can hold down one button and win the majority of fights. If you think every single JRPG has this problem (which they don't) then it does not excuse FF7, it means that every JRPG has this problem, FF7 included. It is a problem *as a video game* and it doesn't suddenly stop mattering because it's also a JRPG. I already made a reply to someone else making this retarded claim and didn't want to repeat myself.
11c298 No.16462750
>>16460453
If video game history was delayed and FFVI came out in the modern day, people would devote whole youtube channels to the 3deep5u hidden lore of the game, like they do with Dark Souls and Undertale.
774abd No.16462753
>>16462723
You could further argue that with FF7 massive success and Dragon Quest not helping matters it further cemented this piss poor formula into other JRPGs for years afterwards. So even if most other JRPGs suffer from this, a fair portion of them suffer from this because FF7 had this retarded philosophy as well.
bf2af2 No.16462783
>>16462723
My point is you're a cunt, first and foremost. If you want variable gameplay and tactics and shit, i suggest playing FFTactics or maybe a more skill-based game that isn't largely numbers and grind, or MegaTen and Etrian games as >>16462403 offered. Personally i think the line between 'easy' and 'bullshit' is a fine one, and games like MegaTen 3 and Okage, where it's game over if your main dies and enemies can just gang rape you is firmly in the bullshit catagory, so i have no problem with a game because it's not challenging and i'd probably go so far as to say i like RPGs BECAUSE they generally don't push you to extremes to win fights. Hell, i saw a low level run of FF7 once where most of the characters where around 20 at the end of the game, and it turns out bosses actually scale with the party so you don't need to grind to a super high level. If you REALLY wanna challenge yourself, just restrict yourself to not using materia or any other self-imposed restrictions that autists love to do; every run i do of a game is a fun run, so i don't worry about playing games a certain way because i never feel like i need to live up to some other fucktard's standards.
But yeah, nah; i love FF7 for the setting, the plot, the characters, and the minutia around those, like the shop in Junon with all the greeting girls or dodging Elena's punch in Icicle Inn so she's goes tumbling downhill. The best arguments you can make against it are matters of opinion, including but not limited to 'i like how other games do things and you must be wrong for not agreeing with me'. Go fuck yourself harder than your constant stream of burly male prostitutes already are.
bf2af2 No.16462813
>>16462794
>blind enjoyment of fruitless manual labor
found the irishman
508eab No.16462852
>>16462783
>so i have no problem with a game because it's not challenging and i'd probably go so far as to say i like RPGs BECAUSE they generally don't push you to extremes to win fights.
Why don't you just say this instead of spouting the same "but what about other thing" fallacy retardation? I know those other games exist and so do you; why pretend that all JRPGs are as much of a cakewalk as FF7 then? It's a poor excuse that isn't even valid, yet it shows up from fanboys any time you criticise basically anything about a JRPG. I'm sick of hearing it, makes it impossible to properly discuss this entire genre.
Anyway to get (slightly) back on topic, personally the combat being so easy did affect my enjoyment of it and it's not because I require JRPGs to have "bullshit" difficulty to be fun. I was liking the characters and setting but getting into random encounters that need no thought and present no threat felt like little more than padding for time and made me lose my patience. Restricting materia and doing a low level run wouldn't even matter for the early part of the game where I lost interest, since you don't even need materia to beat the encounters. Chrono Trigger was also an easy game, but player HP being lower, enemies attacking more often and hitting harder, being faster in general, and not having random encounters kept me engaged enough for two playthroughs, despite everything else being so similar to FF7.
>The best arguments you can make against it are matters of opinion
Another vapid non-argument. Every counter you've presented to my statements, as well as your reasons for why the game is good, are also matters of opinion. That's the whole point of a discussion after all. Besides, if my point is based on opinion then yours is based on pure falsehood as we both know that not all JRPGS are exactly the same as FF7.
25632c No.16462908
>>16462783
>and it turns out bosses actually scale with the party so you don't need to grind to a super high level.
They don't. What's going on is that low level runners use all sorts of tricks to cut damage taken to insane levels and later bosses use moves that do damage based on level or just fractional. Remember supernova? That can never kill you. Now, the final boss actually does scale, but it's based on how many of your guys are level 99. At max level he actually has a higher attack than any other enemy in the game, or at least higher than the superbosses, but only one of his moves are physical anyway. The game is just weird like that.
bf2af2 No.16462912
>>16462852
I have played a shitload of JRPGs. Breath of Fire 1-4 (and 5 but fuck that one), Suikoden 3-5 and Tierkreis, FF Legend (SaGa) 3, CT, Robotrek, Mario RPG and the first two Paper Marios, Dragon Quest 1-9, Okage, Wild Arms 3, Star Ocean 2-4 and very little of 1, Valkyrie Profile, Radiata Stories, Infinite Undiscovery but fuck me if i remember any of it, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and Lunar: Dragon Song, a game so shit it's a struggle to play on several levels; i could do on a little further but that's probably plenty. I know full well that not every JRPG has the same system but fuck you nearly all JRPGs are about large amounts of small fights for the sake of attrition, which is the closest most of them come to difficulty and second closest is perhaps team composition. If you're going to complain about FF7's difficulty i'm going to tell you you're a fucknut; if you're gonna complain about it's plot and setting i'm going to call you a philistine. The most civil thing we can do is agree to disagree, cope with other people's opinions on the internet, and look for OTHER people to preach to; the second best is we keep going back and forth on this retard see-saw until one of us gets sick of it.
25632c No.16462923
>>16462912
> Infinite Undiscovery but fuck me if i remember any of it
That game is so hilariously awful it actually borders on depressing.
25632c No.16462984
>>16462977
I figured the point is that it's a bitter cycle with no end.
84322f No.16462987
>>16462984
This.
>not immediately lapsing back into dronehood after attaining self-awareness
508eab No.16462996
>>16462912
>nearly all JRPGs are about large amounts of small fights for the sake of attrition,
There's no attrition in FF7. You can easily win fights without expending any kind of resource or losing much HP.
bf2af2 No.16463007
>>16462996
Unless you can one-shot enemies with normal attacks or run away before you get hit there's always attrition. It may be very petty attrition that you can recover from with cure 1 and then hit up an inn for MP recovery thus making it borderline non-existent, but it's there. Murdering for exp and golds and turning those golds into new gear and item stockpiles so you can go further and kill harder is what JRPGs are all about; it's all a question of the ratios. Here, have a flash game that takes it to the logical extreme.
25632c No.16463011
>>16463007
Only if running away has no downside. In FF9 and Paper Mario you can run from every fight in the game but it costs money. Oddly enough in FF10 you can run away from any fight in the game instantly for free.
3302c9 No.16463179
>>16462912
The Mario RPGs and Star Ocean games are all about skillfully avoiding battles you don't feel like fighting, those are terrible examples of your argument. In fact due to their combat systems they are immensely interesting games to play by constraining your level-ups by not killing every single monster that comes your way.
Final Fantasy VII, on the other hand, is not. Because it's a complete joke even if you run from every single battle except bosses.
bf2af2 No.16463193
>>16463179
>he doesnt fight every enemy he finds for sweet exp gains
>he doesnt consider random encounter SO2 to be the defining game and everything after to be a limp sack of 3D gruel
Star Ocean 2, incidentally, is another of my favorite games for it's little absurdities. It's definitely less good than FF7 but it's good for a half-dozen bad reasons including the scattered skill that turn into item creation abilities when you level the right ones up and random creations from basic foodstuffs. In, as far as i'm aware, all of the Tales games if an enemy drops one food item you gotta buy more or hope you have it stocked; in SO2 you can just fry it up directly.
d0c691 No.16463220
Go back and play SaGa Frontier, still looks good today and is arguably more difficult and designed better than any FF game. Parasite Eve remaster collection would be great.
45e548 No.16463225
>>16462912
>>16462955
>>16462963
PCHEW PCHEW, AUTISM BEAMS EVERYWHERE AAAAAAA
-explosion-
14c79a No.16463411
>>16462912
>I have played a shitload of JRPGs […] Suikoden 3-5 and Tierkreis
How have you played every Suikoden except for the best two? Even that piece of shit 4? I'm not trying to criticize you, I'm feeling pain on your behalf.
bf2af2 No.16463419
>>16463411
When they first came out i was under the mistaken impression they were shitty dungeon crawlers in the vein of Evolution; haven't bothered to emulate them since i learned otherwise, and with the others i played the physical versions. There's a lot of things i should probably dig deep to emulate but don't really give a shit about, like Lunar on the Sega CD.
56b2e5 No.16463429
>>16463419
>shitty dungeon crawler
>Evolution
I agree, but I fucking loved that game regardless.
2d4232 No.16463456
First time I played it was on PC and I really didn't like it that much overall. Got a Gameboy and a Super Gameboy a few months ago and replayed it. God damn, apparently it takes a while before you get to understand the aesthetic the game builds. Sure, it looks inferior to M1 and Super, but the gameplay and the atmosphere are absolutely sublime. When I first played it, I rated it as the lowest of all. (I have not played OM yet) Nowadays I'd rate it >>16458617 , so between AM2R/ZM and Fusion, M1 etc. In each case, my opinion totally switched.
912f0a No.16463700
>>16461732
found the window-licking waterhead
ac1825 No.16463701
>>16460895
>31
That counts as boomer, now? Shit, guess I'm a boomer.
>Story is a slightly convoluted mess that only got stupider when they expanded the canon.
Completely true.
>Chocobo breeding was a crapshoot that required a strategy guide to not pull your hair out.
No it doesn't. People are just retarded is all. Shit was simple and fun first time around.
>Popeye arms. There was no excuse for tthis, there are earlier PS1 games with better models, they look like fucking placeholders.
Bitch bitch bitch. I can name worse PSX games. People need to remember the polygons weren't eye-bleeding back then—that's just your heroin-addled brains that got used to cutting edge of today. In that regard, every Capcom NES game must look like complete ass. The SD models were fine. Hell, FFVIII's shift was far more jarring. Super-serious bullshit world that couldn't make up its mind or meld its background and tech properly.
>Translation was spotty. Admittedly this only applies to the western release.
Completely true.
>The fanbase.
Every fanbase is cancer. It's an inevitability of the world.
>I mean I genuinely like FF7 (Though i prefer IX for it's characters and setting) but it really is a product of it's time and certainly not flawless.
Completely true.
ac1825 No.16463704
>>16460943
>Unskippable dialogue
>In an RPG
Bitch go back to fighting games and visual novels.
000000 No.16463708
>>16461659
Get raped twice and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.
You deserve to be burned alive and buried in a landfill with the rest of the garbage, you subhuman sack of shit. Your parents should be gassed for not having you aborted.
b5c1c1 No.16463717
>>16463704
Did your retarded ass completely miss that he was talking about replayability?
ac1825 No.16463734
>>16463717
Do you realize how retarded an argument that is? I work the majority of my week and I still have time to sit and enjoy my older RPGs. He's bitching about a basic function that's in EVERY SINGLE JRPG EVER.
Fuck outta here with that stupidity.
581ff0 No.16463740
>>16463701
>I can name worse PSX games.
Graphically? Not many. It had very bad graphics even for its time. Capcom's NES games have great graphics for their times.
ac1825 No.16463743
>>16463740
It had bad graphics for its time if you compare it to the largely hand-drawn sprite offerings in 1997. Compared to those, of course it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I don't see anyone screaming on Wild ARMs's battle offerings which go from said drawn sprites to unholy abominations spiting a merciful god. Peole kinda forget that by that standard, it ALL looked like shit compared to Resident Evil or pick-your-3D-fighter game (and some of those were just as bad—sup Bloody Roar).
183671 No.16463858
How the fuck can anyone who just played FFVI think it's good?
90b59d No.16464440
>>16462783
I haven't seen a FFVII fanboy this salty since the old days when we had visitors from Gaia Online.
581ff0 No.16464460
>>16463743
I didn't realize Crash Bandicoot was hand-drawn sprites. Or Mario 64. Or Nights into Dreams. There were tons of games on all three major platforms that had way, way better graphics at the time.
8c25d9 No.16467630
>>16461240
>>16461190
Are you seriously skipping over the fact that Cloud was simultaneously being controlled by Tifa? She subconsciously shaped him into her perfect man-toy fuck-doll and yanked him around on a metaphorical leash for half the game.
b73734 No.16468084
>>16463734
FFIX not giving you a save point right at the beginning of the game is something I don't like. Having to sit through that cutscene so much when debugging an emulator got on my nerves.
4fcdf1 No.16468142
>>16468084
Considering it's an emulator, you could have used save states.
f7884e No.16468296
Shenmue 1 and 2, especially 1.
28d1e4 No.16468369
>>16468142
If he's debugging the emulator itself that would create false positives.
000000 No.16468862
>>16462783
This is a brain rotten by soy:
<i love FF7 for the setting, the plot, the characters, and the minutia around those
>liking a game because of anything but the gameplay, which is the only reason to care about a game in the first place
<The best arguments you can make against it are matters of opinion
>Objectivity is now "an opinion"
This is literally a soyboy that can't play a video game, and can't face a challenge without crying.
Next, you will call everyone a "contrarian", right?
7933d5 No.16468864
>>16460453
>that's pretty much universally agreed on
Indeed, FFVI is overrated.
f05620 No.16469013
>>16467630
no but he always wanted to be tifas fuck toy
290664 No.16471317
>>16468862
>This user is posting via the Tor hidden service.
bf2af2 No.16472255
>>16468862
Actually, we'll call out
>torpedo
f7884e No.16475137
>>16471317
>>16472255
What's wrong with tor? I'm legitimately asking, I don't know.
4b31c7 No.16475144
>>16461055
Named your skank "waifu" WHORE in my most recent playthrough. Suffice to say I laughed pretty hard at the dialogue before the Kefka fight.
5c9842 No.16475149
>>16475137
>Whats wrong with TOR.
Hope you like being an unwilling CIA glow in the dark nigger.
f7884e No.16475160
>>16475149
So the issue is it makes you stand out?
b73734 No.16475163
>>16475137
It's like tripfagging but you're empowered by the idea that nobody is sure who you are no matter how illogical that deduction is.
5c9842 No.16475183
>>16475160
The creators are leftist faggot cucks in the pay of the Jews. They take the info they steal with TOR and pass it onto authorities. Do not use TOR it does the exact opposite of what it says it does.
f7884e No.16475194
>>16475183
Oof, big yikes. I didn't realize they were so pozz'd.
4b31c7 No.16475245
>>16475227
>Nothing, it's just a lazy bitch tier fallacy used whenever pseudo-anon (thread IDfags) comes across an argument from real anon that they can't handle.
>>16475231
>Whew, nice projection.
25632c No.16475246
>>>/v/16475227
>giving your info to directly and willingly to a corporation
>real anonymity
4fc5cc No.16475263
>>16461336
>>16461066
>>16475144
I still have my Locke cosplay from some ancient anime expo too.
c2cbcd No.16475265
>>16461659
You sound like someone who's lost perspective, or maybe never had it in the first place. Echo chambers can skew the way you see the world. Try actually talking to a girl in real life, and maybe spend less time on 8chan. You'll be shocked to discover they're just people and most of them actually aren't whores.
>inb4 tits or gtfo
Not a girl, sorry.
25632c No.16475269
>>16475265
You should show your tits anyway, for posterity.
d6838d No.16475568
Fascinating that my post was deleted. Did it hit a nerve because a certain vol likes to use the very same fallacious anti-anonymous arguments I described?
>>16475137
Absolutely nothing, it's just a lazy bitch-tier fallacy used whenever pseudo-anon (thread IDfags) comes across an argument from real anon that they can't handle.
>>16475245
Yes, projection. As in the debating tactic where you try to throw your own weakness onto your enemy. In this case it's pretending that the more-anonymous user is actually the one dealing with identity-related argumentation problems that tripfags and thread IDfags in reality have to deal with.
063ed8 No.16475599
>>16460453
Easily the best in the series. The way it plays with narrative structure is fantastic and was completely unseen at the time. There is so much personality in the characters who are not only well written but are completely brought to life with the tiny little animations.
So much was done in-game without the use of cut scenes. A great example is the scene with Cyan where the ghost train leaves the station - the direction on that scene is just incredible, they really squeezed out a shocking amount of emotional punch with those little sprites.
Also It has such a strong atmosphere helped by the 10/10 music and overall tone of the story and world.
5a999d No.16475657
>>16461069
Terra wasn't the protagonist of VI and Lightning isn't a female.