c48ac4 No.16409253
http://archive.is/c6EXT
http://archive.is/7TlUq
>In a new report, the Jon Peddie Research (JPR) firm estimated that a total of 20 million PC gamers would switch to console gaming or other gaming systems that require a TV by 2022.
>A slowdown of Moore’s Law and high GPU prices may convince more PC gamers to switch to a next-generation console or even a game streaming service that may require nothing else but a smart TV and a good enough internet connection.
It's no secret that since the mid 2000's PC hardware has evolved less and less. Intel is on an 8 year old architecture and is very hesitant to move on, AMD's still struggling with their 15 year old problem of inferior IPC, and most games do not take advantage of high end hardware in any meaningful way. The difference between ultra settings and medium settings has never been less significant than it is today, with the only difference being there might be a few more orders of magnitude of incredibly similar effects such as ambient occlusion for a significantly lower framerate. Since clock speeds have been around the same for nearly 10 years moore's law clearly slowing following a lack of utilization in multi-core technology. The lackluster performance, lack of truly enticing features and generational growth in combination with absurd prices for much poorer incremental returns is hampering a massive advantage PCs had over consoles. These days the difference between a AAA multiplat release on console and on PC is fairly insignificant in the visuals department.
Where do you see the market shifting in the future? The advent of streaming devices does provide serious concern but I think the latency issues will do more to dissuade serious engagement than encourage it, but if anything it'll work as a meaningful platform for sampling games in a demo like fashion but most people would probably be happy booting up a copy on their $300 machine rather than a $900 PC that doesn't really exhibit any tremendous difference in the same game.
b6f16d No.16409264
21ee6a No.16409271
>>16409253
Me on the left.
bcb76e No.16409278
Considering they're both closed down crap with unoptimized garbage for software it makes sense that people would chose the less time consuming option. Would be better to not bother at all but still.
64d648 No.16409284
Reminds me of that one decade old article saying that in a couple of years no one would have desktop PCs because they would be replaced by laptops. Sounds like bullshit to me: I want to see that stud-
>purchase a report or the subscription today!
Yeah this is bullshit
c48ac4 No.16409286
>>16409284
>Yeah this is bullshit
That's how all these studies work.
899875 No.16409308
Can you easily pirate all the latest games on console? if not PC will always be the preferred platform for poorfags. Only gotta spend a good chunk on your vidya card and u can pirate aoll the games.
0e8c09 No.16409311
Man, I'm putting together a new desktop now. It's a pain in the ass to install Windows 7 on, my motherboard was almost too advanced to let me do it.
Not gonna let the kikes get me, though. The piracy will continue until morale improves.
c97206 No.16409312
I'm not surprised, modern PC gaming went to shit when its now taken over by F2P and Microtransactions shit thanks to the chinks and gooks
0e8c09 No.16409314
>>16409312
>playing modern "games"
be348e No.16409315
>idiots still think it's hardware that makes pc gaming popular
c48ac4 No.16409318
>>16409308
Yeah
>PC will always be the preferred platform for poorfags
probably
>>16409315
It's not freedumb.
0e8c09 No.16409328
>>16409308
>he spends money on video games
That kind of shit is how you wind up as a poorfag.
16b440 No.16409342
>>16409253
>>In a new report, the Jon Peddie Research (JPR) firm estimated that a total of 20 million PC gamers would switch to console gaming or other gaming systems that require a TV by 2022.
So in other words no and the OPs subject is clickb8 trash
7d6d83 No.16409345
>>16409253
It's gotta be nice being the guy that takes these photos, getting hot bitches on the set telling them to strike an arousing pose while holding up boxes.
be348e No.16409350
>>16409318
If anything it's control scheme and the kind of games it caters to. People like having a mouse and keyboard to play games with, and they like the level of complexity that those kind of games allow.
60a1b8 No.16409357
>>16409253
>Where do you see the market shifting in the future?
PS5 initially will not sell well compared to the PS4, as most will hold out for the PS5 PRO, or the rumored PS5 ULTRA 2.8 FINAL MIX or not even buy it at all due to censorship. The future is handheld devices with TV out and Game companies releasing their own collections since no one wants to make a good game anymore.
345d64 No.16409380
>Muh end of Moore's Law
>As if this won't affect consoles as well
>The only benefit to using a computer is superior graphics
>Implying any of this shit is going to matter if the jews get their way and everything vaporizes into the cloud and they stick you on an ala-carte subscription tier system with at least a dozen different providers who snap up publisher exclusivity.
This guy is off his fucking rocker.
8f1283 No.16409381
Kingdom hearts is the only game worth playing on either of the major systems.
And The series is older than the protagonist in the first game
8f1283 No.16409385
Also this nigger thinks you can't plug a computer into a TV or a game console into a monitor
bcb76e No.16409387
>>16409381
That series is older than the company itself was when the first game was released.
92cd5a No.16409396
>>16409345
I doubt it. Cosplay photographers get metoo'd all the time, and I'm sure it isn't just in cosplay photography, but any case where there's a female model involved. I doubt all of the photographers are guilty of anything either, except having the wrong opinions, looking at the girls the wrong way, or some other retarded bullshit. Maybe being a photographer in Japan would be nicer, what with less jewesses involved.
c48ac4 No.16409399
>>16409385
nobody wants to plug a pc into their tv
8f1283 No.16409405
000000 No.16409409
>>16409253
>20 million PC gamers would switch to console gaming or other gaming systems that require a TV by 2022
>WOULD
>By 2022
Console companies are this desperate to lie to their shareholders, given their constant failures in making any console worth buying since 2007.
With Soyny shitting their pants in damage control to avoid a massive and inevitable exodus due to them becoming marxists, it will be hilarious to watch all the desperation and head chopping that the next few years' incompetent industry will provide.
Consoles are inevitably dying. And the desperation of those companies is abundant.
64d648 No.16409413
>>16409399
Nice dubs, but I like to watch torrented movies or other stuff from my bed
71cda3 No.16409415
>>16409253
>firm estimated that a total of 20 million PC gamers would switch to console gaming
lmao
>or other gaming systems that require a TV by 2022.
What does that even mean, "other gaming systems that require a TV?" It sounds too vague.
>>A slowdown of Moore’s Law and high GPU prices may convince more PC gamers to switch to a next-generation console or even a game streaming service that may require nothing else but a smart TV and a good enough internet connection.
This is a shill study to promote game streaming or at least push people away from PC gaming. The main reason why is that just because there are expensive graphics cards doesn't mean that they're all expensive.
>It's no secret that since the mid 2000's PC hardware has evolved less and less. Intel is on an 8 year old architecture and is very hesitant to move on, AMD's still struggling with their 15 year old problem of inferior IPC,
Watch, this is where the study explanation falls flat. You should be able to solve this.
> and most games do not take advantage of high end hardware in any meaningful way. The difference between ultra settings and medium settings has never been less significant than it is today, with the only difference being there might be a few more orders of magnitude of incredibly similar effects such as ambient occlusion for a significantly lower framerate.
Did you catch it? Read it again.
Okay, time's up. It just got done trying to say that graphics cards are expensive, but then explains that medium settings in games are no longer significantly distinguishable from ultra. Taken at face value, this means that the solution for budget and even poorfags is to buy a cheap or mid-range graphics card. Meanwhile in reality, game settings that are hardly different from each other is the developer's fault.
This is framed to ignore the obvious and paint a negative picture of PC gaming, nothing more.
>Since clock speeds have been around the same for nearly 10 years moore's law clearly slowing following a lack of utilization in multi-core technology.
Clock speeds is not the ultimate sign of utilization for moore's law nor CPU/GPU comparison. There are some older series of CPUs that can push clock speeds higher than the latest i9s or Ryzens but are easily inferior. This is a total shill study.
>The lackluster performance, lack of truly enticing features and generational growth in combination with absurd prices for much poorer incremental returns is hampering a massive advantage PCs had over consoles.
In what world is this study written in? If this was a complete newfag's introduction to gaming in general, this would come off as confusing and make them wonder why anyone is into PC gaming in the first place. This is how off the rails the writer is.
> These days the difference between a AAA multiplat release on console and on PC is fairly insignificant in the visuals department.
>faily insignificant
Not even an attempt to specify who comes out on top, just let the vagueness speak for itself.
Console ports on PC always look better. When they don't look much better, the answer is obvious: developers didn't want to spend much extra to give PC gamers much more graphical features. This also has to do with the lack of optimization. Why would a publisher spend extra money so the developer spends more time chasing down ways to optimize a port?
>Where do you see the market shifting in the future? The advent of streaming devices does provide serious concern but I think the latency issues will do more to dissuade serious engagement than encourage it, but if anything it'll work as a meaningful platform for sampling games in a demo like fashion but most people would probably be happy booting up a copy on their $300 machine rather than a $900 PC that doesn't really exhibit any tremendous difference in the same game.
Even the last sentence is sloppily put together, flip flopping on its sentiment for game streaming.
This is an embarassingly bad shill study and nothing more. It can't even speak for itself properly with its rhetoric. What levels of retardation coule be behind their paywall?
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c48ac4 No.16409418
>>16409413
Me too, but that removes me from my desktop. It's something I start and walk away from the controls from, I live in a house not a room.
8f1283 No.16409420
>>16409415
I didn't read it but are they seriously using the "Muh GPUs are expensive" shit? The only ones that are really expensive are the shitty x70 x80 nVidia ones.
6ada03 No.16409431
PC gaming is still the only choice if you want to play console games at 60+ fps (and almost everything is ported to PC nowadays), add to that the fact that it's never been easier to hook a PC to a big screen tv and a gamepad on your living room and use it just as if it were a console.
If someone told me in 2009 that 2019 video game consoles would still use 30 fps as standard, I'd think they were crazy or retarded.
277f9a No.16409439
>>16409415
100% shill article.
>huur duur TV qualities are going up
So are monitors
>huur duur PeeCees are expensive
Because a console+online subscription is not
>huuuuuuuuur CLOOOOOOOOOOOOUD GAAAAAAAAAAAAAMING
They didn't even try to use the ever-growing mobile market, that has a complete different user base, to push their agenda, they went for muh industry terms to make it sound smart.
3ac271 No.16409446
Consoles are just low end prebuilt PCs, though.
657adc No.16409462
pc gamers as usual are the casuals of the gaming market. theyre jumping on consoles as soon as they become even more casualized than they've ever been. meanwhile console gamers are jumping to PC because of the censorship.
pathetic.
fb41c9 No.16409474
JPR is the same faggot who thought mobile gaming would kill consoles. He's a fuckin retard who is almost always wrong.
657adc No.16409475
>>16409446
consoles dont require optimization.
the tiers of gaming go from pc gamer>console gamer>xbone tv nigger>steam autist>phone skinnerbox addict
4da188 No.16409489
>>16409474
I remember arguing with some faggot at college who claimed that due to miniaturization, there'd just be smartphone-sized stuff for everything. I pointed out to him that that wouldn't stop people from making bigger machines, towers, etc, because with miniaturization that means you can cram more of that stuff into the same box. So a modern tower would be far more powerful than a modern smartphone or tablet, as long as they're from the same level of technology. He couldn't really argue against that.
657adc No.16409504
>>16409489
because youre right. people that dont understand pc hardware make stupid arguments like that. size is for convenience and convenience alone. its a compromise.
if a .25"x.25" processor was X speed, a 1x1 processor using the same technology would be potentially 4x as powerful.
theres a reason mobile hardware always sucks. but none of that matters since all the major tech companies have software written by pajeets.
b1e041 No.16409507
>>16409489
You shouldn't have wasted the breath arguing with him, you should've put an icepick through his eye socket.
657adc No.16409543
>>16409507
is this part of the green new deal?
4547c4 No.16409555
>>16409253
There will never not be a PC market. I can see someone owning a high end PC as well as one or two systems, but anyone with two neurons to rub together knows that no one is going to scrap a computer for the latest xbone.
71cda3 No.16409557
>>16409489
I remember sharing a class with a reddit-tier console autist. The professor was reviewing the concept of pointing to memory addresses in programming, a key concept that allows programs to efficiently use memory, and speculated that the reason why Arkham Knight (which had just come out) had legendarily bad & unplayable performance on the PC was because the PC port was lacking sufficient amount of these.
The professor even made the same observation even anyone unfamiliar with programming has figured out: developers and publishers take for granted that PC gamers may have better hardware and thus more memory, and took it to the extreme with Arkham Knight - did less than the bare minimum with the port and the result is that it was unplayable.
As soon as the professor was done speaking, the console autist got up, turned to the rest of the class, and spoke in stereotypical slurred nerd speech, "HA HA TAKE SHZAT PC MASTER RACE!" The professor always held back from addressing derails by this autist, but this time he spoke up. "This isn't the fault of PC hardware or PC gaming as a platform, this is the fault of the developers when making the port. You would understand this if you were paying attention."
Reddit never made it past that class.
aa1a8d No.16409564
>>16409557
>Reddit failing a class for being Reddit
I wish this happened more often.
9db146 No.16409569
Theres literally no reason to actually have a console.
Its just an overpriced, lower quality prebuilt pc with a brand name.
You can easily turn a pc into a console and play all the same games.
As time goes on it becomes even more silly to not stick with a pc since you can do anything on it.
abeba9 No.16409571
>switching to the platforms with physical copies and that didn't completely cuck out to digital only yet
Can't blame them, at least I can pirate on PC. Fuck Steam
28f867 No.16409573
8f1283 No.16409576
>>16409564
Well technically I suppose you could call all those dipshits that were duped into flooding the college grad job market failures in economics
9057ff No.16409591
>>16409557
then everyone clapped.
2acb72 No.16409616
>>16409415
>What does that even mean, "other gaming systems that require a TV?"
It means using those little Android media centers to stream PC games.
edab78 No.16409635
>>16409253
>estimated
>would
>by 2022
OK
f07865 No.16409643
Last time I checked and this was a month ago was there were more PC gamers then ever before at the start of the year so this is 100% a fucking shill article. I'll explain why this sham of an article was posted and it's for a few simple reasons, Consoles just aren't worth it anymore and many normalfags started to understand this around 2011-2016 as most normalfags got fed up no games and shit frame rates and saw that building a PC that ran 108060FPS wasn't as costly as they were led to believe. Things have been going poorly for consoles even with the Switch doing well it won't last for forever.
3a83d8 No.16409658
>>16409253
This fucking reeks of damage control by a dying portion of the market.
b22aa9 No.16409815
>estimating something will happen by 2020 based on nothing
>mentioning moore's law at all like it has something to do with gpu prices and not buttcoin fags buying them all for 'mining' make-believe money
>high gpu prices are going to drive people to paying even more money for playing online through a subscription where they can get banned both from playing an online game at all or even be banned from their account?
>mentioning x86_64 as if consoles aren't now using it too and still plugging for intel over amd
maybe they haven't moved on from this architecture because there hasn't been a new architecture made yet you dipshit
>blaming lackluster perfomance on current year tech when it's the fault of shitty programmers
>diminishing returns is hampering the advantage PC's had but not consoles that are still leagues behind PC's performance
this article is fucking stupid from top to bottom
3e65ec No.16409895
Odd that they shit on AMD yet mention the markets where AMD is the main provider of hardware.
c48ac4 No.16409901
>>16409895
AMD hasn't been able to really capture the PC market properly in some time, Intel's just got too much control.
60020a No.16409934
Anyone with 1/2 of a brain can realize PC's and the internet is the future, consoles are just low-end PC now a days, people did suicide before Y2K tho
f07865 No.16409935
>>16409901
AMD CPU wise has been gaining market share rapidly and Intel just can't seem to innovate it's aging 14nm architecture.
c48ac4 No.16409972
>>16409935
Doesn't matter because most PC software will utilize IPC over better multithreading despite it being the only feasible long term strategy.
000000 No.16410074
>>16409972
Intel is dying quickly, and will never recover.
12a9cd No.16410089
>>16409380
>As if this won't affect consoles as well
But consoles have always used under-powered hardware. Slow down of Moore's Law means less of a gap between console and PC hardware, and that works in the console's favor.
ca2203 No.16410125
The audience for this 'study' is old & clueless people with money so that they can 'invest' in my buzzword salad cloud gaming company.
"It's a sure bet!"
"Cloud Gaming! (tm)"
"Little Jimmy's always on the Fortnites!!!"
Spread it to all boomers and demand money for your LLC.
000000 No.16410141
>>16409253
>AMD struggling with IPC
Oh I am laffin, all it took was them catching up to intel for the whole house of cards to fall apart.
692991 No.16410146
>>16409253
If it isn't consoles that are dying, it's PC, then it's Nintendo, then it's fucking facebook games and then mobile, another fucking prediction to sizzle up the market, fucking kikes.
d76cff No.16410149
>>16409253
>study
>no hard statistics
>estimated
>"muh PC gaming is expensive"
I don't know, these stats beg to differ
https://archive.fo/jkxKV
6e9a88 No.16410150
If consoles are so great, why do games keep having to be heavily gutted just so consolebabbies can even run them, meanwhile pcs have no issue
Anyone who honestly believes consoles are better than pcs is retarded
6e9a88 No.16410158
>>16409934
I still laugh about that one, good riddance to anyone who will kill themself over a theory that hasn't happened yet
ca2203 No.16410175
Reminder that you still miss console form factors, you can buy a case that's slim but will fit full size components like graphics cards comfortably (except power supply).
41e4c1 No.16410187
what, GPUs are cheap right now, it costs less to build a PC than to buy a console if you know what to do
c90045 No.16410189
>things that never happened
f60fb1 No.16410198
Console gaming died when everybody decided to charge you X a month to play every single game online.
And I’m glad it did, just before the horrid microtranspocalypse.
490926 No.16410206
My graphics card died and damn if every PC game is either too graphically intense or too early access for me to like. Until prices come down, I’m okay playing old PC games and some what new switch games. I’m satisfied with one new game every few months if I wait for good enough games. I even got DMC 5 with an old XBONE gift card I had for a long time.
ca2203 No.16410216
>>16410206
Shouldn't your local craigslist/offerup/whatever app have plenty of graphics cards?
Lots of buttmad buttcoin miners around where i live.
814431 No.16410247
>>16410206
Just grab RX570, their cheap as fuck, bought one 8
months ago for 125 euros brand new(no second hand market shit) to hold me until fucking navi launches, best bang for the buck at 1080p.
c299fd No.16410291
>>16409253
I dont think so.
>Consoles are great
Sony is going to use some sort of flash memory for the PS5, and that will either result in 250gb consoles, or really expensive consoles and Xbox has no more exclusives that you cant play on a PC.
>GPU prices
GPUs like an RX570 are 120$ and good enough to play pretty much any game on 1080p 60, so "muh GPU prices" is not an argument unless you are a richfag with a 4k screen who needs a 500$+ GPU.
>PC Hardware has evolved less and less.
CPUs are reaching the point where you can get an 8 core R7 1700 for less than 200$, so that is cheaper than it has ever been in the last decade, even without the upcoming Zen2 stuff that should lower the prices even further and seemingly even offer 16 core cpus.
So all in all, building a mid-range PC is cheap right now, and overall prices should get even cheaper the next few years unless AMD demands Nvidia-tier prices for their Navi stuff.
This same article/study pops up every few years, and every time PC GAMING DIES™. And every time it somehow does not die.
4ac398 No.16410308
>Muh TV quality
What the fuck do you think a monitor is retard hell you can even use a monitor as a TV if you wanted I do it all the time with mine, not only that you can plug your PC into a TV if you wanted.
>PC is more "expense"
An outright fucking lie PC is cheaper in the long run, not only do we not have to pay subscription fees but when the hardware becomes outdated a PC user can just upgrade parts individually while a consoletard has to buy a brand new machine.
>Cloud gaming
Well that all but confirms who paid for this shit, Google, sorry google but your gimmick console is just the next Ouya.
923902 No.16410321
>>16409385
>TFW I have,a DVi switch that lets me change monitor from PC to HDMI.
No sound without headphones. But man it feels good.
d67b4f No.16410341
>>16410216
Shouldn't your local craigslist/offerup/whatever app have plenty of graphics cards?
>Lots of buttmad buttcoin miners around where i live.
The week leading up to the launch of a new video card will have better deals on ebay of all places. As far as miner cards go they'll sell them in bulk and not individually since they want the money they lost back.
Fuck them, I'm glad they wasted their life saving in a modern day gold rush and being ripped off by everyone providing them the means of setting up a server farm and the ones selling them the idea.
b581cf No.16410342
>anons angry at the prospect that a part of the PC userbase could prefer consoles in the end
lel
I know my PC is more a dumping ground for downloaded shit as well as sharing stuff, rather than games (besides the real old PC games and recent jap indies/VNs), while my consoles are my main platforms for vidya. Anybody trying to claim you can play the same games on PC (the same is true in reverse) is an absolute liar.
>>16409308
Consoles may take longer to get fully hacked, but once they're hacked you completely break the consistent DRM for all current games and future ones on the platform. You have shit like NoPayStation that let you download and decrypt files straight from Sony servers to your PC, in the same manner of the defunct FreeShop.
65ae97 No.16410364
>that require a TV
PCs require a TV though. In fact, the Switch doesn't require a TV, and is a console. What is this?
c299fd No.16410368
>>16410342
>exclusives
You mean high quality cinematic titles like the last of us,spiderman and goy of war ?
How will i survive without these masterpieces with a flawless metascore.
757ac1 No.16410418
In a new report by me, predictive studies by "market experts" aren't worth the kilobytes of hard drive space they're stored on.
34fd0e No.16410456
>>16409253
>not having everything
Poorcucks
9194d2 No.16410457
>>16410125
In the end that's all this is. This article was made for boomers looking to lose their kids inheritance by throwing money at random investments. The article was written by some asshole that doesn't understand video games, computers, consoles, or even how fucking monitors and TVs work.
345d64 No.16410499
>>16410089
>But consoles have always used under-powered hardware.
Not always. Used to be a day when consoles were custom engineered computers, usually under-powered arcade machines, which could maintain parity with PCs - if not in whole, then in certain aspects of performance. With the caveat that having such unique hardware which gets shitcanned every 6 years in favor of a new totally unique system meant that programming learning curves were steep and you usually didn't see a massive increase in quality right off the bat - but the system could continually surprise you as it squeezed out more and more impressive visuals over time as developers became more familiar with optimizing the hardware.
That all ended last generation when console hardware all went to some variation of PowerPC - and porting became the norm… so even the PS3's unique customizations ended up just getting ignored as devs tried to shoehorn PC and Xbox 360 games onto it as quickly and cheaply as possible. And it only got worse this generation with x86 since "optimization" really just means the devs tweak the graphics options menu, maybe run the textures through a batch converter to downsample them.
Pics related are the graphics options for PubG on the Xbox One and One X, which the devs fucked up an left enabled if you plugged in a USB keyboard.
6baf63 No.16410587
If I had the money I would get a PS4 and Switch. Granted there are only a handful of worthwhile games for both.
25e842 No.16410601
>>16410456
>>16410587
>wanting to fund the death of video games
1e652c No.16410611
Don't fall for clickbait titles guys.
b581cf No.16410631
>>16410368
I know it's bait but there are anons here who honestly believe consoles as a whole can be summed up by just a few pozzed western games in one specific platform
64e579 No.16410648
PC MASTER RACE
interferior architecture never.
limited gaming never.
not being able to actually do other shit like write a proper level or do dev work.
rice-jew propaganda
3dd112 No.16410652
They're not wrong.
Most people just want AAA garbage and current consoles are the best way to play it.
191127 No.16410691
>>16409253
>End of Moore's law making people switch to console gaming
Wasn't one of the prime arguments for buying a console over a PC that you wouldn't have to constantly hardware upgrade your shit all the time?
Streaming faggotry won't change this either as that could just be implemented in software on almost any toaster produced within this decade, heck now that PC gayman is becoming increasingly consolized with nigger Storefronts like Steam that do auto-updates, file repairs and a bunch of shared community features across all their games consoles will be even more than a meme than they already are even specialized POWER9 CPUs coupled to RISC-V GPUs with 12-bit HDR support and a 250GB STT-MRAM array instead of SSDs+DDR4 won't change this as grafics peaked with Crysis back in 2007.
981752 No.16410695
>>16409253
>all that hardware shit
nigger who cares? The processing power is so high nowadays that the main thing causing performance drop isn't the hardware, but dev laziness. If something gets bettter hardware, devs will just compensate by optimising less because they don't have to.
>visuals department
Visuals peaked several years ago. Everything afterwards have been absolutely hideous post-proccessing effects that one has to turn off not for performance reasons, but because they're fucking shit
>hampering a massive advantage PCs had over consoles
The main advantage of a PC over a console is and has always been a the complexity of gameplay. Every time I emulate a console game, I'm left stunned at how fucking brain-dead it is by design; it's like it's made for literal children. Consider fucking Fire Emblem – what the hell is that shit? It's like I'm playing a heavily lobotomised clone of Battle for Wesnoth. Or dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey – it's like Grimrock but made worse in every way. It's not even a JPXWest issue, even Japanese PC games wipe the floor with consoles. Even fucking Rance 6 offered a significantly more complex dungeon crawler experience than Etrian Odyssey. Not even gonna humour shit like playing FPS or RTS on consoles.
a440b0 No.16410749
>>16410611
Those AMDsluts are qt though, much better than (((intel girls))).
c37e01 No.16410786
>>16409253
>hurr durr moores law
The sword cuts both ways fuckwads, that means PCs which can play the newest games will continue to get cheaper. That is if it wasn't for nVidia being turbokikes and forcing obsolescence by contracting developers to put code in their game that kills your framerate unless you're a good goy that buys the latest whirring chunk of silicon.
c37e01 No.16410789
>>16410749
>drops Aryan twins for gooks
Anon, I…
c37e01 No.16410798
>>16410789
>>16410789
Nevermind. My terrible vision is truly a curse sometimes.
a83c5a No.16410806
>>16409253
What was the methodology?
<I got paid to post bullshit on the internet for journos to cross reference ad infinitum to create a new fact
Of course
5fa5a8 No.16410829
>>16409253
>WOULD
>2022
First time in months I actually sage a thread to downboat it.
c37e01 No.16410847
>>16410829
>boiling shrimp
>on an electric stove
What the fuck am I missing? How did Jamal start a raging inferno?
40e667 No.16410868
>>16410847
Those are crinkle-cut french fries and that's a pot of hot oil. He fucked up twice in dropping them in enough to splash oil out and onto the burner, and then by throwing water onto the fire (and any retard knows what that does to grease fires).
fd7d6d No.16410880
>>16410847
Those are french fries. He's deep frying them in a pan that's way too small for it. They're probably also frozen, which makes the oil boil more intensely most of the time. An electric stove is more than not enough to ignite frying oil.
1a748d No.16410887
>>16410308
god i wish that were me
c90045 No.16410919
>>16410847
he is deep frying French fries and had WAY too much oil in his pot, you can see it boil over the side which starts the fire, I've deep fried French fries/chicken on a wide skillet and never had any trouble. That being said just use a fucking deep fryer to be safe
5e4f5c No.16410932
>>16409315
pretty much what they think, and their wrong.
modding and more complex games such as flight sims, real strategy and real MMO games are what make the PC market.
b28d62 No.16410945
>>16409253
These predictions are so fucking retarded and I wish that anyone that seriously spouts this bullshit would be hung.
f07865 No.16410979
743bf4 No.16411003
>>16410932
>more complex games such as flight sims, real strategy and real MMO games are what make the PC market
What is it like to be a time traveler from the year 2007? Because that part hasn't been true for almost a decade. Strategy is dead, flight sims are jewish dlc fests made to nickel and dime enthusiasts, and MMO's are just theme parks now.
59c21c No.16411017
>>16409253
>would switch
>paywall study
>Home PCs are bottlenecking, but somehow gimped proprietary PCs aren't?
I see some stupid faggotry and a bundle of lies, but that's about it.
c48ac4 No.16411021
>>16410695
Play better games
b38a50 No.16411042
>Americans telling people that PC components are cheap.
Try living literally anywhere except the US or Canada, parts prices are often double or more what you're paying, it's no wonder the global market is shrinking.
957251 No.16411043
>>16409253
excrement of the bovine nature
db6816 No.16411059
>>16409328
You piratefags loudly broadcasting that you pirate everything is why publishers turned to microtransactions.
>But piracy doesn't cost them money.
They don't see it that way and now we're all suffering for it.
b28d62 No.16411065
>>16411059
Cry more bitch nigger
331251 No.16411101
>>16411059
>You piratefags loudly broadcasting that you pirate everything is why publishers turned to microtransactions.
Wrong you kike. Game companies are filled with jews and they would have implemented microtransactions and all of that shit regardless. Piracy is just a good excuse for them so that they are seen as the victims by corporate boot-lickers.
df84fb No.16411169
>>16409934
>>16410158
I never got the whole Y2K bug. People claiming that only the two last digits of the year was used to save memory are full of shit because:
1/ you have no reason to store a number as a string if you know you're going to make math operations with it. Not only would that be counter-productive (due to data conversion), it would also be a waste of RAM (with the same 2-byte memory usage to store "00" to "99", you could store a binary that would hold a value between 0 and 65535).
2/ there's no such thing as "only two digits" when you're working with integers, unless you go out of your way to use only 4 or 6 bits (value in range 15 - 63).
Heck, if I recall properly, even the old FAT16 file system would store the year on 7 bits (that represents a value between 0 and 127), and since the base offset (the year of reference) was 1980, it means that even Windows 3.x would handle files properly up until 2107.
Home computers, if they were not running at least Win 3.11, were powered by Win 95 or 98, which used FAT32. The average computer enthusiast would have been completely shielded from this shit, yet most of the alarmist reports on the bug were targeted toward them. Now, I can admit that governmental infrastructure was still relying on much older hardware (they still do by the way), and those computers could go apeshit, but that wasn't up to the public to fix it or to worry about it. There was no reason to fucking fuel a scare narrative toward the larger population… except, of course, to invite them to "buy more shit you think you need".
000000 No.16411312
>>16411059
So? Consumers are Gods. We can do whatever we want.
Companies are our slaves.
We will keep pirating everything, and there is nothing that you can do about it.
f5c667 No.16411334
>>16411065
Man I feel like watching Marvel's™ The Avengers™ Endgame™ now.
b581cf No.16411342
>>16410979
Not an argument
>>16411042
>Try living literally anywhere except the US or Canada, parts prices are often double or more what you're paying, it's no wonder the global market is shrinking.
A mid-range gaming PC costs easily 2/3 of a minimum salary month in my europoor country, and that's not counting into the price of peripherals that may be needed such as the screen, mice, controller, etc
>>16411312
>we
>he thinks pirating is free when people are willing to spend their money in order to share said things
3d54cc No.16411363
Should have focused on Windows 7 being phased out and Linux cucking out.
5f8c87 No.16411443
>>16410499
Yeah, Dreamcast & PS2 were both easily on par with a higher-end PC on release, XBox was better than any GPU on the market until GeForce 4. N64/PSX/Saturn were all capable of going toe-to-toe 3Dfx until Voodoo2 hit years later. 32/16/8-bit consoles weren't just cut down arcade hardware, but often literally home micros with the keyboards and floppy drives removed. Usually the only unambiguous performance disadvantage consoles had compared to typical PCs was anemic amounts of RAM and (especially before CD-ROM, or after big HDDs became mandatory on PC) storage.
8th (and to a lesser extent, 7th) gen launching with middling-to-bottom-end specs is a major change from the past.
d80974 No.16411452
>>16409253
Consolefag delusion thread?
337b26 No.16411510
good
pc has no games since 2007, only indie shit
all good games on pc are (often years late) console ports
64d648 No.16411514
Anyone has the
>16 GB RAM? Try 160
Youtube comment cap?
5565a1 No.16411524
>>16411460
30FPS might as well be considered games for nigger cattle. They're typically the most brainless and inane.
ca01fb No.16411574
>>16411059
<Muh piratefags
>and now we're all suffering for it.
What timeline did you just come from?
>Publishers see that people are still buying microtransactions.
Ftfy
87411b No.16411610
>>16411452
>The ps4 is so powerful
But can it launch missiles?
16b440 No.16411619
>>16411610
Wasn't that from a parody site and/or confirmed fake as some publicity stunt Sony was pulling off? People forget how fast Sony was on the viral marketing game
6d297b No.16411855
>It's no secret that since the mid 2000's PC hardware has evolved less and less
And it is the same hardware as your soystation and niggerbox, dumbass.
>The advent of streaming devices does provide serious concern
That advent happened 10 years ago you retard, and it fucking failed because the laws of physics are real.
8f1283 No.16412041
>>16410786
>The cripple_amd got so bad it became cripple_lowend
Sometimes it's hilarious to think about.
182f2c No.16412061
>>16409312
Stadia could end up a good filtering method if all normalfaggots just go there,hopefully no crossplaybut I would like to see what native jewgle cloud could do ,other than spying
>>16410932
Is there even a way to browse on a console?,most of those idiots own a ps a laptop and a phone.And here I am wondering if an i9 would make 8chan run better
Are there like skins for consoles,do they even have wallpapers?
It
8f1283 No.16412076
>>16412061
Browsers eat memory and nothing else.
d1c923 No.16412085
>>16409253
>oy vey goyim don't you want to buy a console just like all your friends
Something fishy's going on around here.
b02a8a No.16412097
>pc devs dont want mods
>graphics cards are more jewish than consoles alone
>windows is a nightmare
>the great storefront drm wars are in full swing
>pc games are almost always buggier versions of console games that run on 30% of hardware as intended
Time has flipped the industry on its head.
865737 No.16412128
>>16412085
Don't be a broom.
87411b No.16412170
>>16411619
Not sure but I remember kids talking about it at school so if it was marketing it worked.
4885a8 No.16412190
>>16411169
>Y2K bug
Alright, shit was overblown but I can tell you that software devs and technicians had to work a shit ton of overtime back then. Can't tell you much about the technical aspect of it but from what I've heard a lot of software (from computer software to central heating unit onboard system critical erroring in the middle of fucking winter (that's the only one I experienced myself). You have to remember the internet wasn't as widespread back then and you couldn't necessarily get shit updated remotely, especially outside burgeristan so people had to get hands on to fix that shit. And yes there could have been major incidents caused by negligence but not world ending ones because those wouldn't happen on nuclear powerplants right? Who cares if some old grandma dies in the middle of winter because her heating died and she froze do death in her fucking bed.
>it would also be a waste of RAM (with the same 2-byte memory usage to store "00" to "99", you could store a binary that would hold a value between 0 and 65535).
You could, but I guess it often did not happen, you can blame stupidity, laziness or both but that's just how it was.
182f2c No.16412205
>>16412076
but then you have things like webm/mp4 vp8/9 and whatever we start using next,8chan seems to be the technological edge of the internet
Normalfaggs on 9gag started using webm what 2-3 years ago?
I could list all the thousands of reason why PC's are better but we all know them,and better hardware is one of the least important
Can phones handle multitasking yet,can you watch a video,browse the net and play a game at the same time,while torrenting in the background can consoles?
I value my time
345d64 No.16412398
>>16411619
>Wasn't that from a parody site
No.
It's a bullshit story, yeah, but Sony had been pushing the PS2 as a home computer in order to skirt import duty into Europe for electronic toys. And while I never recall them actually saying it was anything more than what it really was (plus a bit of mystery sauce) - a spate of obviously paid articles in multiple sources were calling it a super computer capable of providing Toy Story level graphics in real time, and that it could potentially be used by third world dictators for cheap high-end computing for military applications/simulations.
c90045 No.16412477
>>16411107
definitely better with sound
>oooo shieeet hey!?
a065c2 No.16412621
>>16410847
He has way too much oil in his pot.
Those fries are still frozen, NEVER TRY TO FRY FROZEN SHIT! Fortunately for him vary little oil spilled out, so all he had to do was
>cover the pot, putting out the fire in the pot and preventing more spills
>remove it from the heat source
>smothering the fire on the range with another pot lid or a towel
Unfortunately for him he's a nigger and too dumb to stay calm and instead he
<shook the pot around, spilling more oil
<jerked it away, spilling more oil
<threw water on it
NEVER THROW WATER ON AN OIL FIRE
He did everything wrong that he could have done wrong.
also why is this nigger wearing a chefs hat and jacket to fry store bought french fries?
5f8c87 No.16413955
>>16410601
>implying console hardware is sold at a profit
>especially launch-era hardware you buy used
Remember to pirate
>>16410695
>The main advantage of a PC over a console is and has always been a the complexity of gameplay. Every time I emulate a console game, I'm left stunned at how fucking brain-dead it is by design; it's like it's made for literal children. Consider fucking Fire Emblem – what the hell is that shit? It's like I'm playing a heavily lobotomised clone of Battle for Wesnoth. Or dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey – it's like Grimrock but made worse in every way. It's not even a JPXWest issue, even Japanese PC games wipe the floor with consoles. Even fucking Rance 6 offered a significantly more complex dungeon crawler experience than Etrian Odyssey. Not even gonna humour shit like playing FPS or RTS on consoles.
QFT
>>16411003
Yeah, I want to play all the brand new 6DoF FPSs, stompy mecha sims, turn-based licensed tabletop RPG computerizations, and parser-based graphical adventures from other anon's Bearenstain universe.
>>16411059
Reminder for the actual reason the industry bitches so much about piracy:
>Game demos halve sales, new data suggests
http://archive.is/hzd3M
and
>EU Buried Study That Found No Impact From Piracy On Entertainment Industry
https://www.ibtimes.com/eu-buried-study-found-no-impact-piracy-entertainment-industry-2592661
1999f1 No.16413961
dbfc2b No.16414006
>>16409253
I will never own a closed platform ever again, especially one from Nintendo when their "modern" console is usually based on 10 year old tech.
7cc80b No.16414011
>>16409253
I am a PC gamer and I will switch to next gen consoles, PC gaming is dying. Xbox Anaconda and PlayStation 5 are going to provide native 4K 60fps + SSD + FreeSync/VRR for 500 euros/dollars, that is the best price-performance deal you are going to get in gaming. PC hardware tech has become stagnant and extremely overpriced, PC gaming deserves a good punch in its face. Nvidia is scamming low IQ subhumans with RTX series.
The only way I will stick with PC gaming or come back to it, is if Nvidia releases a true performance leap GPU with no gimmicks that can do 4K 120fps, if not, so long PC gaming, fuck Ray Tracing.
16b440 No.16414022
>>16414011
>I am switching to console gaming because PC hardware has stagnated
>Consoles are literally using PC hardware
>mfw you're a retard
7cc80b No.16414026
>>16414022
You didn't refute anything I said you low IQ subhuman son of a whore. PC hardware in consoles don't cost the same as PC hardware purchased for a PC build.
f5c667 No.16414038
>>16414011
If you're some faggot buying the new shit as soon as it comes out. You could use the hardware today and keep it for years. Most people also already have a shit ton of games on PC and if they were to switch would lose a fuck ton of games. What are you going to get if you switch right now? Jack shit, I cant think of anything worthwhile on getting if I get a gaystation or XBone. You're acting as if you have to upgrade every year or even 3 years. With consoles you're literally forced where with PC you could still use a 980. Nice bait but I've had genuine people think this so I had to get it off my chest.
16b440 No.16414039
>>16414026
>You didn't refute anything I said
Yes I did, you tried implying PC hardware was somehow more stagnant than console hardware when that's false. If you're poor I get it man we've all been hard on money but don't try using mental gymnastics to justify. And if you bothered saving your money you could probably save up enough to upgrade your shit. In fact upgrading your current system would probably cost as much if not less than a console assuming you already have something usable because you don't need to upgrade every component at once. Otherwise I think you're also bullshitting when you say you're a current PC gamer
7cc80b No.16414048
>>16414037
That will change with next gen consoles. Why should I pay 2000 euros/dollars for an upgrade to a PC that can do 4K 60fps, when I can pay 500 euros and get the same result with Xbox Anaconda and PlayStation 5?
Next gen consoles are going to significantly damage PC gaming and steal a massive chunk of their consumers, INCLUDING ME :)
Either Nvidia releases a true performance leap GPU that does 4K 120fps or PC gaming can suck my cock, I don't mind paying 2000 euros to upgrade to a 4K 120fps capable PC, but 4K 60fps with some gay ass Ray Tracing gimmick? no thanks.
>>16414038
What the fuck are you talking about? Who said I am switching right now? I said I am switching when next gen consoles come, not now. And who says I will lose my games and my PC, I will still have my PC and the games I have on it, I just won't purchase new games or new PC hardware, because they suck, are gimmicky and overpriced, designed to scam low IQ subhumans like.
Native 4K 60fps + SSD + FreeSync/VRR for 500 euros/dollars, good luck competeing with that.
>>16414039
When I entered PC gaming, it was relatively cheap, but that wasn't the main draw, it was literally 8x stronger than what consoles could offer.
When next gen consoles come, PC gaming won't even be 2x more powerful than those consoles, yet it costs 4-5 times as much for THE SAME PERFORMANCE? Are you fucking nuts?
I wouldn't mind dropping 2000 euros/dollars on a 4K 120fps PC (and another 1000 euros/dollars on a 4K 144Hz monitor like that new Acer one), but I won't spend that money for 4K 60fps when I can get the same performance from a 500 euros/dollars console.
9c5c3c No.16414056
Even if it were true, and I doubt that it is, I don't give a shit. I'm a programmer, and the idea of buying a dev kit to write software for a console is ridiculously unrealistic, so I'll never abandon the PC. Besides, Dwarf Fortress will never be able to run on a console, and it drives the PC gaming arms race.
>>16409253
>It's no secret that since the mid 2000's PC hardware has evolved less and less
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, and you sound like an ignorant pleb. Intel has been making a lot of strides forward, just like AMD. AMD's IPC is actually close to Intel's nowadays, and Intel continues to improve both IPC and strategy. While AMD throws more cores at problems, Intel throws stronger boost clocks at their chips. The two of them are both targeting different sets of problems, the fact that there's overlap with all of PC gaming is just a convenient side effect.
Besides, it's not about the CPUs that could drive people to consoles, it's about the GPUs. The retarded can't see the value of raytracing, and thinking that just getting 4k resolution in a market that by and large doesn't even have 4k monitors for the most part is pointless. The current market share of resolutions is still: 1080p > 1440p > 2K > 4K
4K does nothing to improve the experience, and all it does is drive this retarded arms race for the least important targets. "Oh well we need 4k textures, so throw 8gb+ video RAM at the problem!" You know what else you can throw at 4K problems? Another fucking hard drive. The 4K pack for Final Fantasy XV drives the installation size of FF15 from 70gb to a whopping 250gb.
>>16414011
>Raytracing is a scam!
You're so retarded that there's nothing I can say to make you look any dumber than the words you've posted.
3dd112 No.16414057
>>16414039
He's saying PC isn't worth the trouble right now since consoles exist.
Which is absolutely correct if he wants to play AAA rehashes.
Developers practically dance around them to make it all work (or remove half the assets) and neglect PC because "you can just buy a new graphics card."
The merit of current PC is that you can make a budget build right now and have access to a nearly unlimited library of older vidya, console-only releases from past gens included.
But there's no point in buying the best PC parts for new vidya if all you're getting are gutted, buggy console ports. You might as well get a console then.
7cc80b No.16414064
>>16414056
>You're so retarded that there's nothing I can say to make you look any dumber than the words you've posted.
Low IQ subhuman sons of whores like you should be genocided. I came to PC gaming for the performance, not for cancerous retarded memes like Gay Tracing. Fuck your realistic shadows, fuck your graphic whore desires.
Give me 4K 120fps or die from cancer. Fuck RTX.
7cc80b No.16414067
>>16414057
No, current gen consoles are dogshit, I am talking about next gen consoles which will do 4K 60fps + SSD + Free Sync/VRR for 500 euros/dollars. There is no competing with that, it takes almost all the advantages PC gaming had for the last decade, except free online, but I barely play online games so it doesn't affect me.
9c5c3c No.16414071
>>16414057
Except that there's more games coming out on PC than on consoles, what?
>>16414064
>Give me 4K 120fps
You're not gonna get that from consoles, they're targeting 4k60. Also if your best argument is to just call people "low IQ subhumans" then you might as well stop posting, cause it's weaker than your limp wrists.
Go bait someone else.
7cc80b No.16414075
>>16414071
LEARN TO READ AND COMPREHEND ENGLISH YOU LOW IQ SUBHUMAN SON OF A WHORE!
4K 60fps on PC = 2000 euros/dollars.
4K 60fps on next gen consoles = 500 euros/dollars.
The only thing PC gaming can offer me to make me not switch is 4K 120fps, but Nvidia doesn't seem interested, why do that when they can scam low IQ subhumans like with RTX meme series? Kill yourself. Fuck RTX.
9c5c3c No.16414079
>>16414064
>give me 4k 120fps
>>16414067
>N-NEXT GEN CONSOLES W-WILL DO 4k 60 fps, F-FUCK PCS
>>16414075
>takes 2000 dollars to get 4k60
Yeah, no. Is that you Patchner?
9b815f No.16414088
>>16414075
>4K 60fps on PC = 2000 euros/dollars.
>4K 60fps on next gen consoles = 500 euros/dollars.
Get a load of this retard.
3dd112 No.16414089
>>16414071
>Except that there's more games coming out on PC than on consoles, what?
Of course there are.
But how many of those are worth playing?
The same reason I won't upgrade my PC for is the reason I won't buy a console either, there are very few worthwhile games coming out now.
9c5c3c No.16414092
>>16414089
There's plenty that are worth playing, just cause mommy and daddy cut your allowance and you can't afford games anymore doesn't mean that there's no games worth playing. Maybe you should stop gauging the worth of a platform on its AAAs and look at the big picture. But instead you're too busy jerking off to loli sex mods in the latest Elder Scrolls game, oh wait, you won't get those on your vaunted consoles anon, did you think ahead on that one?
7cc80b No.16414098
>>16414088
>>16414079
Haven't refuted anything I said, just keeps meme posting like the low IQ degenerate losers you are. Can't get women in real life so saves images of naked women to his storage device, literally kill yourself.
It is fine, low IQ subhumans DESERVE to be exploited and scammed, that is why I love the Jews, I used to hate them, but then I realized they can only do what they do because the LOW IQ SUBHUMANS allow them and WANT to be exploited and scammed.
Go buy your overpriced Ray Tracing dogshit GPUs, go waste more money than needed, I'll enjoy the best price-performance gaming on next gen consoles.
Native 4K 60fps + SSD + FreeSync/VRR for 500 euros :)
Call me when Nvidia releases a 4K 120fps gaming GPU with no gimmicks like GayTracing.
Good BYE!
c9fbdc No.16414102
>falling for the 4k meme in the first place
Sure, the console is only 500$. The TV is another oh, 300-400$, or 500$+ if you're going to get one that isn't a cheapo piece of shit with terrible latency. Coulda just bought a computer that runs everything at 144fps in 1080 for half that or less.
6d6b88 No.16414106
How utterly fucking retarded are you to think that the next generation of consoles will provide 60 FPS? Console manufacturers have lied about performance for decades. Remember how they screeched about supercomputer performance during the last two generations? And now you're enjoying your 20 FPS. In addition, consoles are locked down bullshit with not even a tenth of the capabilities of a PC. And censorship? You better believe that's only going to get worse.
>why should I buy a PC for a quadrillion times as much!!??
This time it's your dishonesty on display rather than the console companies'. You don't need to buy an entire new PC, you only need to upgrade the relevant parts. In addition, you don't need to buy the most overpriced parts; middle of the road stuff will get you better performance than the "20 with drops" consoles. And while we're talking about costs, why the fuck would you prefer a console?
>paid online
>no option of piracy
>more expensive games, can't just pirate DLC if you want to
>conveniently ignoring the cost of console peripherals like controllers
Bonus point: since you're so much of a corporate cocksucker that you apparently plan on buying two shitty consoles, you need to multiply everything by two. Oh, and since you're no doubt including the monitor price with the PC, I assume the TV cost will be included when calculating the console cost? Maybe even the sound system?
Either you're a faggot pretending to be retarded because you think you're an epic troll or because you're paid to spread misinformation, or you're objectively wrong and objectively amazingly stupid.
f5c667 No.16414107
>>16414048
Wow dude, you're right. I should buy a 4K™ 60fps™ $500 gayming console as soon as they come out with the Gaystation 6™ and the Xbox Supersonic™ I'm super excited to play all the exclusives that they will have.
4k is a fucking gimmick and completely pointless.
7cc80b No.16414111
>>16414102
4K is not a meme you low IQ son of a whore. I've tested it at my local city center. 4K at high-medium absolutely shits on 1440p ultra. It is sharper and more immersive, especially at 27", the 163 ppi makes it a godly experience, the best and sharpest visuals with no need for any form of AA, 0 jaggies.
I am not going to game on a TV with my next gen console, I will game on a 27" 4K gaming monitor, I just won't use a PC, when next gen consoles will give me the same experience for 500 euros, instead of 2000 euros.
9c5c3c No.16414114
>>16414098
>Haven't refuted anything I said
Don't need to. You go ahead and buy your console, go ahead and play those Stadia and Streaming games too. Just remember, when you play with Stadia/Streaming you don't own ANYTHING. Have a game you enjoyed? Better enjoy it while you can, cause after 4 years they'll (((SHUT IT DOWN))) and you'll never be able to play that game ever again. This is the future you choose if you choose consoles.
>>16414106
I mean that's what they're bragging about is that their platforms will provide 4K 60 fps. Which is like .. so not a fucking achievement. 4k 60 fps for a garbage game that isn't fun to play?
9c5c3c No.16414120
Also just to burst your bubble there, 4k boy, sure you'll have 4k 60 fps, but the texture and graphics quality sliders will effectively be locked at low-medium. You'll have 4k textures, but they'll look like Minecraft textures.
d8972c No.16414123
>>16409253
Fake news. I've successfully converted four people to PC master race already, with two more on the way. Gaming industry is almost pure garbage, and if it keeps up, as well as the shitty botnetting, I'll just stick to my old games and probably just end up giving up on computers in general and start going /out/ more.
7cc80b No.16414124
>>16414114
Mentally ill or low IQ subhuman son of a whore, which one are you?
Next gen consoles are local hardware, not streaming. I also actually will own and can resell my future nexg gen console games if I desire, unlike PC versions. Steam was already pissing me off for a while.
Only GoG and Piracy are viable pro-consumer options on PC, everything else is DRM cancer.
9b815f No.16414125
>>16414098
>using virgin as an insult
>:)
The anal aggravation is palpable. Keep swallowing that marketing cock.
7cc80b No.16414127
>>16414120
Maybe you are right, but I doubt it. We will see once we see the next gen consoles :)
c9fbdc No.16414128
This is some advanced reverse-luciano-posting.
7cc80b No.16414134
>>16414125
Words can't describe how happy I am knowing that when next gen consoles come, there will be low IQ subhumans like you that continue to purchase overpriced gimmicky Gay Tracing PC hardware and continue to get scammed by Nvidia. God bless Nvidia and the Jews for scamming low IQ subhumans like you and exploiting you.
Native 4K 60fps, SSD, FreeSync/VRR for 500 euros, good luck competing with that :)
Either PC gaming makes 4K 120fps the standard within 1 year of release of the next gen consoles, or it will bleed users like crazy, me being one of them ;)
649a86 No.16414154
7cc80b is something the matter?
b03ab1 No.16414157
>20 million normalfags will move from PC to consoles
This is a good thing, because the normalfags could just be normalfags that buy shit meme games and simluators or all that DLC, skins,etc OR this could be 20 million chinks moving to console which is better because PC is for the whiteman
3be0ee No.16414159
>>16414128
And the worst thing is that people are falling for it.
9c5c3c No.16414164
>>16414157
>20 million chinks moving to console which is better because PC is for the whiteman
610847 No.16414174
I wonder if it has to do with
FUCKING GAME-STORE EXCLUSIVE GAMES.
b03ab1 No.16414184
>>16414174
>20 million people moving to consoles where you have to spend 300 dollary doos + if you want to play other exclusives because of 2 stores that you can uses on the same system but one is a chink botnet that people hate on despite most of these haters using discord which is also a chink botnet with 50% tencent ownership
000000 No.16414207
>>16409253
>or even a game streaming service that may require nothing else but a smart TV and a good enough internet connection.
How much did Google pay for this "report"?
tbh, I play portable 'consoles' more than PC now, but you'll never find me using a phone or streaming service to do so.
f9c15d No.16414221
8eb3cf No.16414235
>>16411443
This nvidia kike graphic is wrong, consoles weren't that close past the first Xbox. It's literally saying "You need to buy a $2000 titan to be better than consoles, goys!".
8eb3cf No.16414239
>>16414134
I know you're joking but
>implying the PS5 is really going to have 4k games
c94b52 No.16414247
>>16409253
>and a good enough internet connection.
this guy is a retard if he thinks streaming games from a server that aren't farmville level will ever take off… or more likely some fag who knows nothing about video games.
First, internet in North America is dogshit due to oligopolies that rape customers for every cent they can get. Second the latencies/lag make any game that requires quick reactions unplayable
990568 No.16414361
>PC gamers are getting consoles for their kids and playing with them
>>16414247
Internet in America is not as good as Europe or Japan because it is a large country with big cities far apart from one another. Europe and Japan are densely packed, with large cities a few tens of miles apart. It makes sense economically to lay 30 miles of fibre to get 2 million new customers
067057 No.16414363
>>16414239
I'd be surprised if they made it to five games, personally.
5f8c87 No.16414369
>>16414011
>GPU that can do 4K 120fps
Eh, fair enough, if you don't want to pay the…
>>16414048
>I wouldn't mind dropping 2000 euros/dollars on a 4K 120fps PC (and another 1000 euros/dollars on a 4K 144Hz monitor like that new Acer one)
Wait, what!? That is indeed about the price of a 2-way RTX 2080 NVLink rig that can do that, right now:
https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8741/geforce-rtx-2080-ti-nvlink-4k-120fps-gaming-now-here/index9.html
If I were to make a complaint about 4k144Hz, it would be about the monitors. We're still stuck with LCDs that can't truly show even 60Hz without obvious smearing due to LCD's inherent G2G transition slowness, OLEDs (much like plasma was) are all shackled to LCD-derived HDTV chipsets that can't push anything above 60Hz, and both are tied to lame single-port DP or HDMI connections that require absurd compromises like compression or chroma subsampling. What's needed is an OLED display that uses ganged DP links to max out the capabilities of the OLED panel, and take advantage of the 3 (on most midrange GPUs) to 6 or more (on higher-end GPUs) completely independent DP/HDMI interfaces gamers have sitting unused on each GPU except for multi-monitor rigs.
Until and unless that happens, I'm sticking with CRT for my gayman/anime needs until something either kills LCDs, or I run out of affordable spare parts for my FD Trinitron.
>fuck Ray Tracing
Don't worry, nVidia's fixed-function RTX IC bloc and dedicated DXR API aren't necessary for raytracing, and barely even double RTRT performance over shader-pipeline GPGPU raytracing. AMD will probably issue driver updates to do exactly this, eliminating the entire issue of trying to charge extra for application-specific silicon. Moreover, this more practical approach will allow genuine full-scene RTRT like the demoscene has been for decades in games, instead of the gimmicky interpolated effects nVidia is doing.
Regardless, the rest of the bait in your post is silly.
>>16414075
>4K 60fps on PC = 2000 euros/dollars.
A 4K 60Hz PC, built from scratch using new parts at MSRP, is about $400-$700:
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
And, obviously, much less if you're upgrading a reasonably modern system using parts off eBay. There is absolutely zero economic or other advantage in buying a console, even the next-gen ones, other than exclusives.
>>16414120
This absolutely can't be overstressed. Like >>16410499 points out, that "4k60" on "next-gen" consoles obviously isn't going to be at ultra.
>>16414157
If the "casualshitter u-bend" containment theory were actually true, all the normalfags moving to phones/tablets last decade wouldn't have had such a devastating effect on the quality of PC user experience now.
>>16414235
Look very closely at the right column labels on the graph, and notice it's not linear, but logarithmic. Not technically false, but certainly misleading.
>>16414056
>Dwarf Fortress
<single-threaded
<no SPIR-V GPGPU offload
<little FP and barely uses SIMD
>drives the PC gaming arms race
I wish. Toady One at least has the excuse that the game is in feature-incomplete prealpha, but it's completely unoptimized, to the point where it has the performance feature profile of a word processor from the 1980s.
191127 No.16414383
>>16414369
I hope electro-emissive QD panels will finally get us out of this backlit color filter hell that are PC displays in the current age.
37d3e2 No.16414399
if 10nm yields are so hard to achieve and is still going in even if it takes takes years and still shipping 14nm when AMD has long passed it, its going to be real painful years for Intel
Even worse is if it they keep cranking up clocks and cores without improving the hardware so turning CPUs into fucking ovens (lets admit it i9 is already way too hot at this point)
and AMD already shipping stuff thats cooler and as powerful atleast is enough to make dent in the industry, especially if all this continues and
AMD passes Intel in energy efficiency with next Zen
Intel has really dug itself into hole too because they are heavily investing in GPU market, which is good idea to make up for the losses in the future, and GPU market needs another competitor, NVIDIA and AMD got that locked down so tight prices are jacked up to ridiculous levels
3dd112 No.16414406
>>16414369
Is there a single manufacturer of CRTs today?
848bb8 No.16414447
>>16414361
>yurop
<gud intrned :DDD
dange mergel :–DDDDD
9c5c3c No.16414484
>>16414399
The transition from 14nm to 10nm has been a difficult one because Ice Lake is a jump of 2.7x higher density instead of 2.4x density (like previous generational leaps). And because of this Ice Lake was pushed back, but it's gonna be out soon. For the 7nm push they're scaling back their target to 2.4x.
The standard density increase in the industry is 1.7-2x, so Intel tried to push a little too hard, and they have admitted to that. They've also pointed out that they're moving from photolithography in 10nm to EUV for 7nm. When Ice Lake gets here it's going to savage everything that AMD has put out. And the performance yields of AMD is only more powerful in spaces that don't pertain to gaming, Intel still has a small lead. Threadripper 2 is still the hottest running chip on the market, and requires its own thermal solutions because of the massive fucking size of the thing, which eliminates 99% of the best thermal solutions.
Intel's difficulties were over ambitious approach and using the now aged photolithography instead of switching to EUV.
16cf0b No.16414500
>>16409415
>What does that even mean, "other gaming systems that require a TV?" It sounds too vague.
So, game consoles that are not the Nintendo Switch?
5f8c87 No.16414519
>>16414406
Yes, in China and Malaysia. Newly manufactured CRTs still command maybe 5-10% of marketshare in some 3rd-world countries (mostly SE Asia, MENA, Africa, South America):
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=crt
http://www.hktdc.com/sourcing/product_searchresult.htm?bookmark=true&query=crt&locale=en
https://www.made-in-china.com/multi-search/crt/F1--CD_CRT-Display-Catalog/1.html
But all of them are low-end garbage using ancient designs, because the factories are just old production lines that are being run without any upgrades until they completely break down. I sometimes fantasize about running a Kikestarter to buy up old patents from the incomplete final generation of CRT research at Sony/Mitsubishi/NEC/Phillips/Nokia/ViewSonic/etc., gather up the last group of veteran engineers, and jury-rig the best maintained one of those Chinese CRT factories to make a luxurious dream CRT (aperture grille, flat-faced, stripe pitch waaay under 0.2mm, pixel clock vastly exceeding 500MHz, maybe short-neck, etc.) marketed specifically to gaymurs, artists, and other weirdos with a lot of money.
Oh, and speaking of crowdfunded efforts by fringe engineers, the closest thing to the uncucked controller board needed for the OLED I want is probably likeliest to come from such a hobbyist (though this guy has only done LCDs so far):
http://zisworks.com/
9c5c3c No.16414548
>>16414519
Honestly your fantasy is ridiculous. Do you guys like to fantasize about this shit while forgetting all the pitfalls of CRTs? Because of all those photon guns needed to make a CRT you're going to have a super massive box that will cost the price of a used car to ship.
c48ac4 No.16414558
>>16414548
>Honestly your fantasy is ridiculous
potentially the dumbest thing said on this board to date
9c5c3c No.16414569
>>16414558
I don't know, I'd have to take a look at your post history, but this one's already pretty high up there.
5f8c87 No.16414613
>>16414548
CRTs really only have three fundamentally inescapable flaws:
<1) Flicker
Since this is actually desirable for full-motion applications like gayman or movies, at least until we have 1000Hz displays, this just means you keep a 2nd sample-and-hold display around for officework or whatevs.
<2) Screen size
<3) Internal reflections
Both of these are caused by the same thing, atmospheric pressure versus the physical strength of glass against vacuum. The biggest CRTs ever made were 50", but I'd probably only shoot for 19"-24" to keep reflections down.
>a super massive box that will cost the price of a used car to ship
Nah, it's no worse than the >80" flat panel HDTVs Amazon sells all the time, which aside from being way more humongous and delicate, are over a hundred pounds not including packaging, which is slightly heavier than the oft-lauded Sony GDM-FW900 24" widescreen CRT. Using preexisting short-neck technology, that weight could probably be cut in half.
c0d2cf No.16414785
>>16414011
I am a mobile gamer and I will switch to next gen PC's, mobile gaming is dying. Steam Machines: DRM Free Edition and Udoo Bolts are going to provide native 8K 8fps + HDD + Gsync/Virtual Boy Reality for five hundred and ninety nine U.S dollars, that is the WORST price-performance deal you are going to get in microtransactions. Mobile tech has become stagnant and extremely overpriced, mobile deserves a good punch in its face. AMD is scamming high IQ geniuses with RX series.
The only way I will stick with mobile gaming or come back to it, is if Voodoo releases a true performance leap GPU with gimmicks that can do 720p 24.99fps, if not, so long gay bowser, fuck Ray W.J.
46e272 No.16414965
Who even plays video games anymore?
>kids play mobileshit so they can buy clothing and emotes and don't have the attention span for story driven games
>zoomers play assfaggots and overwatch while worrying more about politics of said games than the game itself
>middle aged balding men play soy of war and similar movies so they can feel like they are having some kind of "mature experience" while simulating taking care of an actual child they should have by that age
5a1aa1 No.16414993
>>16409253
INVESTORS, PLEASE BELIEVE THIS!!!!
8f1283 No.16415005
>>16414124
You forgot Playism
64d648 No.16415007
>>16414993
This is a textbook bubble. If you've got money, investing while all the dumb rich people are still investing and then cashing out when the bubble is close to popping sounds like easy money.
12faa7 No.16415054
>>16410308
imagine paying a fee on top of your internet just to play multiplayer games and then a 3rd fee if it's an mmo
7cc80b No.16415059
>>16414965
Speak for yourself, gaming has never been better:
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice @ 4K 120fps on PC = GG.
Devil May Cry 4 @ 4K 120fps on PC = GG.
Resident Evil 2 @ 4K 120fps on PC = GG.
349b8c No.16415076
>>16415059
>Japanese based Dark Souls
>Old game
>Shit remake
Wew. Except for Sekiro, that's a long shit.
c66639 No.16415082
>>16415054
I've never actually seen an Xbone in real life, but I know on PS4, certain games don't require PS Plus, and that includes MMOs, including Free to Play ones.
I don't care because online multiplayer is one of the biggest cancers that killed video games. If you're not in the same room as me then you're not a real person and I might as well be playing with bots.
7cc80b No.16415084
>>16415059
>>16415076
I meant to say Devil May Cry 5, not 4. DMC5 is the third best action game ever made in the history of gaming (Ninja Gaiden 2 is the second best, Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is the best).
Resident Evil 2 is the best horror game and the best Resident Evil game ever made.
Sekiro is GOD TIER.
Armored Core 6 is coming up next.
Hollow Knight perfect 2D metroidvania and we are getting Hollow Knight: Silksong which will perfect Hollo Knight as a franchise.
Gaming has never been better.
64d648 No.16415092
Just stop replying to him. He either will starve from not receiving (You)s or you're wasting your time on a lost cause.
5f8c87 No.16415174
>>16415054
And then a 4th fee if it's streamed from The Cloud™
8bbb41 No.16415305
>>16415084
>implying
6th Generation gaming was objectively the best. PC gaming and console gaming had a reason to coexist, prices for components and hardware weren't outlandish, and the games weren't sliced up into incremental DLCs. When you bought a game in 2005, you got a whole game.
d73605 No.16415338
ok so since i cant get exclusives on one console I bought a switch a ps 4 and a xbox and a tv for each
9c09d1 No.16415393
>>16409571
Instead you're cucked to a proprietary device that can only play vidya, oh, and stream (((Netflix))).
5f8c87 No.16415395
>>16415305
<explying
Mid-'90s were the peak. PC-centric genres still flourished, CD-ROM and reasonably priced HDDs had given enough storage for more ambitious content, CPUs were fast enough for 3D, arcades and non-wintel PC platforms were still around, and consoles knew their place as strictly inferior.
Everything good that happened afterward was strictly monkey's paw: Hardware 3D acceleration made every game look alike to the extent nudevs are still too retarded to take advantage of modern reprogrammable GPU pipelines, broadband and online was used for retarded DRM and incentivized devs to stop providing modder SDKs or demos, MMOs rapidly turned into "massively singleplayer" games through instancing with too much linear themepark design for players to actually interact with each other, consoles getting more PC-like starting with PSX caused the direction of multiplat ports to reverse and infect PC games with console-ness.
Other poster is arguably right for the wrong reasons, because crowdfunding and the slavjank renaissance in the 2010s has caused numerous long-dead PC genres to rise from their graves and provide a steady stream of games actually worth playing, after the absolute nonstop crapfest that was consolization and indyshit throughout the 2000s killing off mid-market "AA" games.
9b64de No.16415408
>>16409253
>In a new report, the Jon Peddie Research (JPR) firm estimated that a total of 20 million PC gamers would switch to console gaming or other gaming systems that require a TV by 2022.
Oh look your headline is fucking wrong your flaming faggot of an OP.
Its estimation, why would I switch to console when my PC has a larger library and I still can run most games in ultra settings with a gtx 660 I got back in 2010.
45c128 No.16415419
>It's no secret that since the mid 2000's PC hardware has evolved less and less. Intel is on an 8 year old architecture and is very hesitant to move on, AMD's still struggling with their 15 year old problem of inferior IPC, and most games do not take advantage of high end hardware in any meaningful way.
Like that's any worse than paying for overpriced hardware that can't even run games at 30 fps and forces you to pay for online features? I'm sick and tired of the constant fear mongering threads I see on this board, I just want to talk about video games and have fun goddammit.
ca01fb No.16415421
>>16415082
>Self-aware meatbag.exe
Play nice with your 1s and 0s. They're family.
191127 No.16415526
>>16414519
You should try buying up the patents for picrel.
>>16414548
<he doesn't know
f98df3 No.16415580
This is an incredibly retarded thread.
As long as there are exclusives or games that play better with gamepads or even portable consoles that do more interesting stuff than mobile trash, there will always be a console market.
But likewise, as long as piracy is active, as long as games rely a lot on meta communities and information as well as services like Discord and for as long as Abandonware lasts, there will always be a PC market.
Japs were switching to PC while the West is changing to consoles. Big fucking woo. How new is the industry again? Maybe you have a few staunch PC gamers that are considering a console now since upgrading your PC is an incredible bitch now (seriously, you almost need a degree to understand and compare parts these days, what happened with "more RAM" and "Pentium 1,2,3,4, Dual Core, etc being easy terms for comparison?) and barely worth it when the games you'd use it to run them with aren't even worth your time nor do they look that much better anyway.
Similarly, maybe some Japs are tired of their closed garden and want to finnaly try this whole PC deal where they get new levels of freedom and content. But in either case, it's not just one userbase changing from one side to the other, it's the market of both sides expanding to the other.
The only idiots that should be worried or think about this seriously (but of course they won't) are the morons that make PC parts and the morons that make console games. Maybe charging a small fortune for a graphics card is worth jack shit when the only thing it's good for is to play a very, very, very pretty… Linear corridor realistic military shooter. WOOOO! And maybe all the belts and whistles you tie around your console as well as the shit exclusives you managed to secure don't really attract that many players when they get tired of playing the same shit over and over again and don't give one fuck about your very own attempt at a social platform.
Everyone always gives Nintendo a lot of flak for many reasons, but they ain't morons. Wii didn't compete with graphics, it had it's own gimmick and image as a family console and did really fucking well compared to the alternatives. WiiU was a damn failure because of the name and bad marketing but you wanna know what it also was? The perfect prototype for the Switch, that now gives you shit you can't get from neither the PS4 or the Xbone: a portable console that can be docked as well and is really fucking simple to work with and play videogames.
So unless we start seeing some actual TECHNOLOGY or some decent creativity, shit is going to be as it always has been for us while the morons making cards and consoles will writhe in pain.
191127 No.16415613
>>16415580
>upgrading your PC is an incredible bitch now (seriously, you almost need a degree to understand and compare parts these days, what happened with "more RAM" and "Pentium 1,2,3,4, Dual Core, etc being easy terms for comparison?)
A socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear.
5f8c87 No.16415629
>>16415526
I wish, but I'm pretty sure the competing consortiums of Matsushita/Canon/Hitachi/Toshiba and Sony/AUO are still holding the patents over each others' heads for some bizarre, nonsensical reason, and are too buttmad to allow the other to proceed.
345d64 No.16415692
>>16415613
>and "Pentium 1,2,3,4, Dual Core, etc being easy terms for comparison?
The Pentium line itself was a renaming fuck-job when they had a perfectly fine 286/386/486 naming convention. Pentium was the 586, but they decided to give it a brand name because "it would make the distinction easier for consumers" - which was complete horse shit. It was only ever about having a slick name for marketing purposes - and to intentionally confuse the customer since it wasn't long after that when the Pentium name was dropped and the market was flooded with about three dozen different product lines with ambiguous names.
dd5ce6 No.16415768
>>16414484
Is that a good thing or a bad thing for the consumers?
I read this line "When Ice Lake gets here it's going to savage everything that AMD has put out. And the performance yields of AMD is only more powerful in spaces that don't pertain to gaming, Intel still has a small lead." and think that it'll be another decade of stagnancy because AMD will get blown out and flail around while Intel locks the market down.
5f8c87 No.16415881
>>16415692
>4004
>8008
>8086
>80186
>80286
>80386
>80486
>80586 "Pentium" (-penta is from the Greek for "5")
>80686 "Pentium 2"
>80786 "Pentium 3"
>80886 "Pentium 4"
>80986 "Core" (finale before switch to AMD64 architecture when Intel's own IA-64 project failed)
Obviously, they were about to run out of numbers. Agreed that failure to continue putting a number somewhere, instead of expecting people to keep track of "X Lake" codenames, is pretty annoying. Especially since AMD also did that for a while with Bulldozer's revisions.
f07865 No.16415923
>>16410291
>muh GPU prices" is not an argument
If you live in Canada or elsewhere that prices are fuck you expensive then it's an argument.
f07865 No.16415973
>>16411342
Someone is assmad.
db8220 No.16416163
>MFW playing my autistic mid sized PC exclusives, old and new, on my mid spec 600 Eurobucks PC forever
>MFW upgrade half of the computer hardware for 300 eurobucks every 5-6 years and run nearly everything flawlessly
>MFW even if streaming becomes the norm I'll still be playing all of the old stuff I missed out on 4free
>MFW not a console/mobile/streaming cuckold
Feels good man
c48ac4 No.16416513
>>16415408
>falling for the ultra settings meme
defensive
77eb27 No.16417686
>>16415408
>I still can run most games in ultra settings with a gtx 660 I got back in 2010.
Yeah… no, you can't, although you didn't mention resolution or fps, so games would (((run))), sure but it would be a literal slideshow, even a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation would seem more fluid than gaming on a gtx 660 at ultra.
Is this the new (((muh 8800 GTX can still run anything in 2015)))?
7baaa1 No.16417729
I wish they hadn’t stopped making NHL for PC. The only way to play hockey on PC right now is modded NHL 2004 (2009, the last one they made, sucks cock)
5f8c87 No.16417776
>>16417732
Reminder PSX & N64 for most of their active production were both emulated better than native on period PCs. Hopefully someone will take advantage of the x86 basis of current consoles to repeat the process today.
16b440 No.16417796
>>16417776
> Hopefully someone will take advantage of the x86 basis of current consoles to repeat the process today.
Its actually already happening right now with the PS4 lmao
https://github.com/AlexAltea/orbital
Still in experimental state though but supposedly it can already boot PS4 firmware
000000 No.16417817
>console
>not also a computer
>not also using the same components with the same problems
d14fe3 No.16417877
>>16412789
>people are so desperate to watch a shitty movie they'll do it at a diagonol filmed by a shitskin with his handheld recorder in a movie theater with arabic subtitles
When do we wipe out humanity lads?
b581cf No.16417878
>>16415973
I dont like underages and other fags who believe piracy is some kind of magical thing that somehow let you access to "everything", when it's just actually people sharing stuff whenever they can. And I say this as someone who contribute to piracy (especially console games & DLCs) like I implied in my first post here.
Then again, it's the regular torfag who also keeps on the delusion that "consoles are dying". If you dont like consoles because of certain things that I can wholly agree on (consumers being more and more restricted to digital, online stores that can disable games from purchase without warning, etc) then that's okay. Believing the console market will die, when it's still the cheapest option available for anybody, is retarded however.
ca01fb No.16418009
>>16417878
Sharing things isn't magic. I agree.
> Consoles are the cheapest option available for anybody
Now that's some fucking sorcery, that you remain incredibly short sighted on the benefits of consoles over pcs. Considering that Pcs are a good long term investment for video games+. You're buying gimped prebuilt pcs when you get any console. Never forget that.
eccd5c No.16418018
>>16417732
Consoles were never a thing in Europe until recent.
Everyone started on PC.
83e51b No.16418050
5f8c87 No.16418052
>>16417878
>I dont like underages and other fags who believe piracy is some kind of magical thing that somehow let you access to "everything"
That's literally what fullsets are, for older target platforms, or hoarders who plunked down for a multi-TB RAID.
8fce54 No.16418093
>>16415395
in the future there will be no solid state media, everything will be streamed and only get unencrypted upon hitting a monitor with a valid ez-watch subscription
every single thing you do will be monetized as a subscription service, even owning your own house will become impossible
as of baby boomers haven't already made it unaffordable for most of us anyway
307ed4 No.16418106
>>16418093
>even owning your own house will become impossible
So, renting?
39b027 No.16418107
Current and upcoming consoles are a waste of money. They're worse versions of PCs with no advantages at this point: games and content tied to accounts/devices, need to keep old hardware around or lose access to your games, adoption of (((game streaming))), install times and patches (that you can't back up or transfer locally), paid P2P multiplayer, pathetic sale discounts, etc.
>>16417686
>Is this the new muh 8800 GTX can still run anything in 2015
It's mostly bloated VRAM (4GB minimum) and RAM (12GB) requirements that are forcing people to upgrade.
afaik a GeForce GTX 760, assuming you don't run out of VRAM, can still run stuff from now, mostly on mid/low at 1920x1080. Ivy Bridge (3000 series) i5s or i7s are still good to go. that's 6 year-old hardware and counting. and the money you save from not paying for PSN/XBL more than makes up for the cost difference. you should try harder.
5f8c87 No.16418149
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16418093
As long as we still have local CPUs, we can crack out of anything. The final killshot will be once they completely stop selling consumer-priced hardware with CPUs in it, forcing all code execution to occur remotely, and we'll be back to the days of dumb terminals and mainframes like before PCs happened.
Hopefully the sheeple will wake up before that actually happens.
28f39f No.16418172
>>16409253
As an older man who is becoming less inclined to spend time tinkering with shit and more about simple plug-and-play, I should be getting a console.
…But consoles are now becoming second-rate PCs.
>requiring logins and updates
>an even stricter walled garden than fucking Windows 10 S, can only play whatever the parent company thinks is good for you
>Sony is becoming stricter about censorship, and I won't even be able to patch their shit out
So…. yeah, I'm sticking to my PC for gaming.
77b738 No.16418183
>>16418018
the fuck you talk about? there are country in europe that still have more console then pc player you faggot
000000 No.16418188
>>16414993
/thread
>>16414048
All the while we will simply pirate every console game worth a damn,, when the inevitable emulation comes. Consoles are dying. There is nothing that you can do about it.
>>16414092
>>16414134
THIS ANON IS THE EVOLVE FAGGOT.
Still butthurt because we won't ever spend money on anything while getting everything for free? Cry more.
59aac6 No.16418212
>>16418149
> what is Intel IME / AMD PSP
You don't own nothing, I'm afraid.
d14fe3 No.16418225
>>>/v/16418188
>when the inevitable emulation comes
>been 13 years and ps3 emulation is still barely functional
5f8c87 No.16418265
>>16418172
It's a shame all the "10-foot UI" standardization efforts by Valve, M$, etc., and "out console-ing consoles" didn't quite pan out. Even with newer PC games, console ports included, compliance is all over the place, and there's usually tons of crucial features inaccessible without diving into .ini files or whatever.
Ironically, probably the best overall user experience for a normalfag-proof toddler experience of any platform, is using amateur frontends (Kodi, Launchbox, etc.) loaded with emulated console games.
>>16418212
Already pwnd, somebody just needs to write replacement firmware so we can do something useful with it, instead of simply wiping it:
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
>>16418225
>purse owner fully playable better than native
>rapidly improving even further
>barely functional
If you were complaining about the lackadaisical pace of XBox, 360, or Vita emulation (not to mention PS4/XBOne), you'd have a good point.
d14fe3 No.16418285
>>16418265
>persona
Who the fuck cares? It's gonna be another cemu situation where it only runs a single shitty game.
f309be No.16419354
>>16418107
>you should try harder.
Honestly I agree with everything you're saying but…
>I still can run most games in ultra settings with a gtx 660 I got back in 2010.
Is just fucking impossible, no matter what, unless we're talking about 2D pixel shit, it's just a ridiculous thing to say, I should know since I have i3 6100, a 2 gb GTX 950 and 12 gb of ddr4 ram, I can play REmake 2 pretty good at 1080p and low settings, and that's one of the better optimized games that came out this year.
f309be No.16419358
>>16418107
>you should try harder.
Honestly I agree with everything you're saying but…
>I still can run most games in ultra settings with a gtx 660 I got back in 2010.
Is just fucking impossible, no matter what, unless we're talking about 2D pixel shit, it's just a ridiculous thing to say, I should know since I have i3 6100, a 2 gb GTX 950 and 12 gb of ddr4 ram, I can play REmake 2 pretty smoothly at 1080p and low settings, and that's one of the better optimized games that came out this year.
413e2e No.16419408
>>16414038
>If you're some faggot buying the new shit as soon as it comes out. You could use the hardware today and keep it for years.
Yup this is what I have always done. My last PC I paid I think around $2,000 for everything. I used it for 8 years and honestly could probably still use it today. I however upgraded because I wanted to do more 4k shit and felt it was due anyway. My xbox 360 is literally just a DVD player now and it's not even plugged in.
>>16414048
>That will change with next gen consoles. Why should I pay 2000 euros/dollars for an upgrade to a PC that can do 4K 60fps, when I can pay 500 euros and get the same result with Xbox Anaconda and PlayStation 5?
Because you can do more with that PC. If you spend 2-3k on a PC you can get at least a decade of use out of it maxing or near maxing games. Especially these days as games are developed for gimped consoles. Plus, PC just has more utility. Consoles are just media centers that play games. They don't do anything else of value. You are only wasting money building a high-end PC if you do that every year because you just HAVE to run the best shit. 4k 120fps will come to PC first then consoles will ape onto it and offer it in a worse package. That will be the time to drop $2,000 on a PC and you'll bet set for the next 7-9 years of 4k gaming.
6edaa9 No.16419502
>>16418285
The path emulators are heading is depressing. The new emulators put up a patreon and just update the emulator to run the latest meme game for the big bucks while breaking accuracy or not even caring about more minor titles.
d14fe3 No.16419863
>>16419562
>guy bought a kids toy so he could hide his dick with it in a selfie
000000 No.16419919
>>16418225
But it is inevitable that it will be functional at some point. All consoles will be emulated, eventually. And for free.
>>16419502
Nothing that can't be taken away from the developers at some point. Let the cattle pay, and wait for when someone takes away the whole project from the developers, or start one on their own.
Be patient, and it will eventually happen.
Waiting for it is better than paying for it.
>>16414098
You can keep feeding the industry, while we keep getting everything that they create for consoles, for free, via emulation and piracy. It is the perfect ecosystem for those who won't pay for anything from the consoles industry: you give the console companies your money, they create games, and we get those games for free at one point, without ever giving any compensation to anyone.
So, keep feeding the industry. It doesn't change anything for us. If they release any game worth playing, we will get it without paying for it.
Again, the perfect system, for us.
490fed No.16420139
>>16414111
4k on consoles is just upscaled trash.
f07865 No.16420150
>>16417878
>consoles are dying
They are and it's just slowly you seem bitter that no one here is really taking your horse shit.
7cc80b No.16421291
>>16419919
Kek, good luck waiting 10 years to play a shitty buggy glitchy version of a game, PC still can't emulate Demon's Souls properly. I am a PC gamer myself (until next gen consoles come out), your bullshit won't work with me, nice try though.
>>16420139
Next gen consoles are NATIVE 4K 60fps, keep coping harder though, salty faggot.
b581cf No.16421315
>>16420150
I dunno what cave you're living in, but the console market sure isnt dying with the PS4 and Switch selling hotcakes. We can argue all we want (which I would agree anyway) about the bad habits that consoles took in recent times, but the homogeneity of the hardware and big ease of access ("it just works™") of consoles will always be an advantage for both consumers/users and developers.
Just because you have no personal interest into the current consoles doesnt mean the market is dying.
7e135c No.16421326
>>16421291
> next gen is 4k 60fps
> last gen was all bout "true HD" 1080p
> this gen still can't deliver last gen's promise of 1080p
> but next gen will totally be 4k 60fps
> for a quarter of the price of a PC that can do that
> there are people that actually believe this
> when games this gen were seriously downgraded for PC because the specs for current consoles were severely under what developers were estimating
but sure, next year we will have consoles that do what PCs cannot do this year, for a fraction of the price
7cc80b No.16421329
>>16421326
I DON'T CARE ABOUT LAST GEN OR THIS GEN CONSOLES YOU LOW IQ SON OF A WHORE, I AM A PC GAMER, I AM TALKING ABOUT NEXT GEN. ZEN 2 CPU AND NAVI GPU TECH WILL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH, NEXT GEN CONSOLES ARE GOING TO DO NATIVE 4K 60FPS + SSD + FREESYNC/VRR FOR 500 EUROS/DOLLARS.
PC GAMING IS SCREWED NEXT GEN BECAUSE OF THIS INSANE JUMP IN VALUE AND PERFORMANCE, I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO REALIZE THIS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, LOW IQ SUBHUMANS LIKE YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE PROPERLY, IT IS OKAY, YOU WILL HAVE TO WITNESS IT AND YOU WILL.
33a3a5 No.16421330
Did you know?
Sony has profited more in the latest year with the PS4, than in the entire PS2 era.
ae0085 No.16421343
>>16421330
Is that because of RDR2 and that Spiderman game?
33a3a5 No.16421344
>>16421343
They didn't specify and frankly I have a hard time believing it, but there's what they said.
593c54 No.16421432
>>16421329
>NEXT GEN CONSOLES ARE GOING TO DO NATIVE 4K 60FPS + SSD + FREESYNC/VRR FOR 500 EUROS/DOLLARS
They could easily achieve that, however only could it be achieved through gaming as a streamed service.
Which means
>Cloud gaming
Sony has announced they want it and google is likely going to be the first on the market with it, and I have no doubt that, regardless of how badly it will undoubtedly go, Sony will be unwilling to back out of cloud gaming because of how much publishers desperately want it. Microsoft seems to have realized that their Xbox consoles are causing them to compete with themselves for Windows 10 users and I cannot see them making an Xbox Two and there is no reason to call your own hardware "SAD" unless you are trying to shrink/sink your brand.
As for Nintendo, they will not be going to the cutting edge as the cutting edge has never really been their strategy. They have always gone with matured tech, and in the cases where they did not do so they usually suffered, see the virtual boy and the Wii U.
>Subscriptions for usage
Next gen consoles will undoubtedly require users to pay monthly/yearly subscription fees to get the full use of their systems.
5f8c87 No.16421443
>>16421315
Yeah, sorry to say it crashfags, but neither console nor PC are dying any time soon. Pic related, both have modest but steady year-over-year growth underneath the burgeoning cancer of mobileshit clear back to 2014, which was the last time consoles managed to take a small amount of revenue from PCs.
>>16421329
>NATIVE 4K 60FPS medium settings + SSD + FREESYNC/VRR FOR 500 EUROS/DOLLARS
That's about the price for a PC that does that right now, not to mention the even lower price of upgrading a modern-ish system with used parts.
>A COUPLE OF YEARS
By which time PC will be even cheaper
4ba492 No.16421454
>>16421432
>They could easily achieve that
>through streaming
Yeah, on LAN maybe. You can't stream 4k 60fps in even remotely decent quality with anything less than a 50Mbit connection, and most people don't have 50Mbit connections.
f07865 No.16421459
>>16421315
Consoles have been in decline for a while and PC gaming has been on the rise I know you don't like admitting reality but it's fact.
593c54 No.16421469
>>16421454
That was the another point I forgot to mention. Google and other tech companies seem to think that if they put out these systems that require that kind of connection that ISPs will oblige, not realizing that ISPs don't want to put down the money to put up new wires and would rather just sell everyone that garbage wireless internet.
5f8c87 No.16421481
>>16421454
>in even remotely decent quality
Anon, the target market for this is the same people who plug their console with wireless controllers through an AV receiver into a smart tv with motion compensation left on without noticing any lag, and don't think Netflix/Amazon's 5-15Mbps "4k" is any different from a BD rip.
The only variable in question is how many such subhumans there actually are, and how much money they have.
c48ac4 No.16421490
b581cf No.16421651
>>16421459
In this current economy situation where it only keeps going worse in a lot of 1st world countries, you're telling me that console sales are in decline (which I believe but not in the same way you do) but gaming PCs somehow manage to be on the rise?
8ad9c0 No.16421751
>>16421315
>>16421443
>>16421490
>>16421651
In number and in revenue consoles as a whole this gen have sold less lifetime sales than the previous 2 generations, the PS4 hasn't even been able to reach PS1 or PS2 levels despite having virtually no competition due to the WiiU and the Xbone being failures and the Switch coming in too late and already seeing it's huge sales figures dry up.
Despite most of that money being replaced by online subscription and hardware being sold at a profit consoles have indeed seen a decline while PCs have never been this popular from premium/fremium games to hardware with Sony admitting they're now mainly competing with it, if that will keep up to next gen is yet to be seen, but I don't seen the stagnant big three doing something to change that.
All I've seen so far is a resolution and streaming push by Blue and Green and an iterative new model of something that already exists by Red.
c48ac4 No.16421817
>>16421751
Your entire argument is flawed, the generation isn't over. PS2 was on the market for twice as long and was much more of a market disruption than the PS4, PS4 is on track to pass PS1 sales (96m vs 102m) and all consoles this generation with the exception of the wii u are selling more on average. It seems like every few months the PS4 has a sudden "surprise" surge in sales for whatever reason, considering it's consistently breaking records.
Consoles are going nowhere but PC is in decline.
8ad9c0 No.16422030
>>16421817
It's not flawed due to the fact that the PS4 had no competition, outside PC it barely has any as well.
7th Gen sold less than 6th Gen and 8th Gen will sell less than both the way things are going
>Consoles are selling more on average
And yet despite all the mainstream success and lower price point neither the Xbone or Switch have made Snes numbers.
Sony holds the majority of console market share with virtually no competition and they have only this year surpassed their lowest selling console after 5 years
>PC is declining
Both PC and consoles are declining, we're seeing an exodus of casuals from both platforms to mobile, and thus we're seeing a much bigger decline on the console side where dedicated gayman hardware is no longer needed to play a handful of games.
However stuff like ASSFAGGOTs, Minecraft and BR have retained more casuals on PC while having lower development costs and bigger profit margins than AAA with a low cost of entry for said casuals.
On the enthusiast level PC gayman is thriving though, you wouldn't see everything from previously console exclusives and Japanese games along with mainstay dedicated/exclusives for it if that wasn't the case.
Plenty of variety and choice
I'd like to see an actual argument on how PC is exactly declining OP, you're dumb enough to fall for the words of a streaming shill after all
5f8c87 No.16422103
>>16422030
>Both PC and consoles are declining
Not in terms of absolute numbers. Look at the graph I posted (and the absolute numbers in the studies on either of the pages your are pics from), and you'll notice numbers are steadily rising for PC and console alike for years. In addition to that, most of the numbers for mobileshit come from new demographics, rather than defection from PC/console.
If you want to talk relative to global population growth (or, perhaps more relevant, total growth in consumer demos capable of sustaining a vidya habit), that might be a bit more mixed. Speaking of which…
>And yet despite all the mainstream success and lower price point neither the Xbone or Switch have made Snes numbers.
This fact is exceptionally devastating when taken into perspective with population growth.
8ad9c0 No.16422214
>>16422030
>*7th Gen sold more than 6th Gen but 8th Gen will sell less than both
How did I fuck that up?
>>16422103
>Revenue graph
Online subscriptions and microtransactions hold a big chunk of that, hardware and software sales are still declining from past generations
>It's less people moving from one platform to another and more
That's true, but a big chunk did indeed leave and those who didn't many times waste their funds on mobile micros rather than console games or console micros
b149a2 No.16422245
>Live streaming services were shilled for real hard when they first started coming out
>"It's the future, goy, get used to it!"
>They all flopped and dissolved
>Nothing has improved since then
It's safe to completely and entirely discount anyone or any company that is pushing for video game streaming.
>>16411452
>People and companies are still sperging about people wanting 60fps
>Already moved to 144fps
I hope you guys get to try it out some day, the difference has become night and day. 60fps feels choppy to me now.
51c3dd No.16422316
>>16422030
>And yet despite all the mainstream success and lower price point neither the Xbone or Switch have made Snes numbers.
Smartphones made x100 the snes numbers.
5f8c87 No.16422463
>>16422214
> a big chunk did indeed leave
<wii/ds + maybe some kinect fad
Probably near 100% of that came from and went right back to socialshit/mobileshit. Interesting question as to how much of the PC market is "core gamers". Maybe the best metric would be discrete GPU shipments.
>>16422245
>Already moved to 144fps
Been here for a while, waiting for something higher rez that can actually go fast without a smeary mess onscreen. Sadly, CRTs are forever frozen in the year 2004, so the faster tubes stopped at around 400MHz pixel clock, which worked out to 720p160, 1080p100, and 1440p60.
769a22 No.16422476
>>16419358
>I can play REmake 2 pretty smoothly at 1080p and low settings, and that's one of the better optimized games that came out this year.
>One of the better optimized games
But it has Denuvo.
d79a88 No.16422501
>>16422214
Goddamn snoystation 4 has already outsold every other console in history based on that chart and doesn't appear to be slowing down. There is no hope left for man.
The overall drop seems to from handheld sales. If you add up all the DS and PSP sales in 2008 and subtract the Vita and 3ds sales from 2015, the remaining amount would still be enough to boost 2015's total sales to 2009 levels.
000000 No.16422511
>>16421291
It is not meant "to work" on you. It is simply a fact: we will wait as long as it takes to play the games for free, without ever giving any money to the consoles industry, while you feed it with your money.
The perfect system for us.
Keep buying. We will keep pirating on PC with inevitable emulators. There is nothing that you can do about it.
>>16421315
>>16421443
>>16421651
>>16421817
Consoles are dying. Current "successful" consoles are selling less than a fraction of previous successful ones. All consoles, without exceptions, are importing the flaws of PCs, without their quality. Consoles just don't work. There is no point in buying any consoles at all, and even normalfags are realizing that.
>>16421329
And people will keep avoiding buying them, until the console market dies completely, without you being able to do anything about it. It seens that you are confusing things: we are not in for the market or for spending money. We are in to get everything for free and give nothing back, no matter what happens to the market.
Keep spending your money on consoles. It will feed the market for some more time so we can pirate everything that they create, and play the games for free.
You spend your money.
We don't.
And still, we will acquire and play the same games that you do.
The perfect system for us. Those who won't ever pay for anything but still get everything.
>>16421330
And you believed that lie? Soyny will say anything to make it look like they aren't dying, as many investors are pulling out. Every single time that a companies screams about their "success" in the current market, you can be assured that they are failing harder than ever.
>>16421481
Fewer each year, and spending even less. That is why you see all companies so desperate to lie about being successful and growing, when in fact, they are failing and shrinking.
>>16422476
That can, and will, be cracked. Everything can be modified on PC, sooner or later.
83e51b No.16422534
>>16421344
it's from psplus subscription apparently
86f28a No.16422870
Pc gaming is fucked
1000usd high end gpus that will get rekt by a ps5
8ad9c0 No.16422943
7cc80b finally found a suitable VPN it seems
cc6717 No.16423060
I would but idc enough to do it
39b027 No.16423100
>>16422870
you're a fucking retard. a $300 GPU will completely wreck a console over its lifetime, and you won't have to buy any (((mid-gen))) upgrades.
there's no point in buying consoles anymore, they're not even fulfilling their purpose anymore (i.e. pop in disc/card, play. no accounts, no downloads, installs, no activations, etc.). also see >>16418172
86f28a No.16423115
>>16423100
Try running any game at 100fps 1440p+ and get back to me
I own a 2080ti and even then 4k is off the table
8ad9c0 No.16423146
>>16423115
You don't own shit and a console won't do 4K 30FPS, much less 4K 100+ FPS, try again reverse Luciano.
86f28a No.16423150
>>16423146
You where saying?
9b815f No.16423180
>>16423150
>all that dust
>running without backplates attached
>taking a photo to save face on an anonymous imageboard
>wasting money on a 2080ti
Gypsiefag, is that you?
92c4ac No.16423182
>>16422476
Just pirate it and give it a shot, it runs great, I don't know if the cracked version removed denuvo or just bypassed it, but it runs as smooth as babby dicks.
86f28a No.16423194
>>16423180
You can clearly see the backplate? The card is unmodded in case I wunna sell it (poorfag) and side grade to whatever new amd card comes out next year.
If it's shit I'm gonna whack some big ass fans on it and try and hit 2ghz with a custom bios
f07865 No.16423320
86f28a No.16423381
>>16423378
Improved airflow nigger it only has one 12cm fan
86d9c4 No.16423390
>>16423378
Are you actually calling expansion slot covers backplates?
Absolute cretin.
86f28a No.16423409
>>16423390
They where vented ones but they royally fucked flow hence why I ripped the hdd caddy out and shoved the fans in
7a8843 No.16423434
>>16410847
>Shrimp
Nigger, are you blind?
604bab No.16423623
>>16410342
>filename
Just about to start SH4, your image has me both intrigued and terrified
sage for off topic
6aedac No.16423715
Op can you at least try to make a valid shitpost?
8b0f51 No.16423817
>>16422214
Thank you for your stats!
c48ac4 No.16423888
>>16422030
>It's not flawed due to the fact that the PS4 had no competition, outside PC it barely has any as well.
It has competition.
>7th Gen sold less than 6th Gen and 8th Gen will sell less than both the way things are going
Xbone passed xbox over a year ago. Switch sold 10 million more units than the gamecube in less than half the time. Only outlier is the PS2, which is an outlier and will probably always be because it was a market disruption.
>And yet despite all the mainstream success and lower price point neither the Xbone or Switch have made Snes numbers.
Xbone won't, Switch will. You're comparing some very conflicted numbers here.
>and thus we're seeing a much bigger decline on the console side
No, we're seeing the opposite. Exclusive games drive sales of hardware, often to record breaking numbers. Unless you're going to argue smash and pokeman didn't sell Switch units. The PC sits in an awkward middle ground where it doesn't really offer anything special but attracts a large audience of 1-and-done style players, it kind of always has done this, even as far back as runescape, world of warcraft, counter-strike, quake 3, etc. People play for one game and move on. Still happens a lot today with the likes of league and whatever else.
>ASSFAGGOTs, Minecraft and BR have retained more casuals on PC
and consoles
>I'd like to see an actual argument on how PC is exactly declining
You have, just arguments you don't like.
894e1a No.16424019
>pay a couple hundred bucks for a better PC that can run games
>it does everything else faster btw
>don't have to spend hundreds on consoles
>can download single player games for free instead of paying $60 a pop like console cucks
>all in one, do whatever you want, multitask, multiple monitors, alt+tab
>aim with a mouse
>literally a board of keys, all the buttons you could ever desire and more
>emulate retro consoles
>plug in a controller if you want
>use television or projector if you want
blows my mind why anybody would ever buy a console
c48ac4 No.16424027
>>16424019
a little army of total biscuits incapable of individual thought or confrontation of hard questions
b581cf No.16424919
>>16424019
>a couple hundred bucks for a PC
i dunno how things work in America, but a decent gaming PC (by "decent" i mean the minimum config that should run anything thrown at it while also leaving enough room for possible upgrades) costs you easily between 700-800€ in my country. And that's not counting the eventual peripherals you might need too. For the average dude there, that's eating more than what's remaining of the salary month (if you dont earn at least 2k a month) after paying the first necessities (rent, food, car, etc).
>>don't have to spend hundreds on consoles
>>instead of paying $60 a pop like console cucks
>what is the second-hand market
>what is hacking and piracy on consoles
067057 No.16424925
>>16424919
PC components are like 20-30% cheaper in the US.
f07865 No.16424938
818c98 No.16424978
>>16414011
>>16414026
I felt dumber just reading this shit I swear to fucking god
b581cf No.16425016
>>16424925
I assumed as much, PC gaming might be a more common thing in America, but it's quite a luxury to afford in european countries like mine. But the dishonesty of masterrrace fags make them pretty much comparable to console fanboys, if not more annoying.
>conveniently ignoring the price of peripherals into the total amount of a brand new build, to make it sound it's cheaper somehow
>forgetting that people may not wish to pirate a Windblows OS, or dont have connections with people in certain fields to get a free legit copy
>being aware that there are plenty of issues with PC vidya that will run the patience of users, depending of how aggravating the problem is (drivers issues, crashes, required Windblows and/or game patches, etc)
And I've experienced enough of people getting viruses because they were doing stupid shit (and begging me to troubleshoot), such as installing some malware software that branded itself to download Youtube videos, or browsing pirate websites without an adblock and noscript plugin as minimum protection. If some anons boast about the wonders of piracy on PC, they sure underestimate the range of inexperience that normalfags can reach Not like I'm tech-savy either, I cant code at all, but the shit I know on computers comes from 20 years of trial-and-error and a minimum of common sense
In the end, denying the fact consoles are still hassle-free and (particularly in europoor) cheaper alternatives is rather stupid.
5f8c87 No.16425211
>>16424919
More like $300, and he's probably talking a low-end build, like dual-core Skylake, 8GB RAM, and something like an RX 550 or GT 1030. Which should still be able to run most new games at playable settings, and max the bulk of pre-2010 titles. Or if using
>what is the second-hand market
then cut most part prices in half, so you could spring for quad core and RX 580 or GTX 1060.
>>16424925
Yeah, I just checked identical builds in Buy it Now prices on eBay for domestic sellers in USA versus France, and after converting € back into $ I came out with a 27.6% increase in price. Are the import fees really that high where you are? Because as a burgerstani, I mailorder stuff direct from China/Korea all the time.
>>16425016
>conveniently ignoring the price of peripherals
KB+M is like $10, assuming somebody doesn't already have a mountain of them lying around.
>forgetting that people may not wish to pirate a Windblows OS, or dont have connections with people in certain fields to get a free legit copy
Yeah, I'll admit most people aren't savvy enough to ask MS to deactivate an old Windows license and reactivate it on another PC. But probably the easiest way to get a cheap gayman rig (get a surplus Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc officebox from a thrift store or your job/school, throw in a GPU and maybe swap the PSU) already comes with a Windows license.
Also, Linux with Wine, like Steam's Proton, is actually pretty viable even for normalfags.
>consoles are still hassle-free
That's an increasingly arguable point.
863d6e No.16425246
PC's are actually relatively cheap, you can get a great build for $150 or less tat can run most modern games, the problem is me and most other people can't even afford $100, and with the new generation moving to mobile gaming it's clear that the market as a whole will be dying if PC does too.
ca01fb No.16425404
>>16424919
A desktop for games is still a net gain.
>What is hacking and piracy
That's is illegal sir ;^)
Pcs are more accesible in that regard. No hacking required.unless you want to contribute
>>16425016
No one here started with masterrace faggotry. You brought that up.
>Luxury
So are dedicated gaming boxes
>All that other shit
That sounds like a personal problem m8. That like most pc issues, arises out of ineptitude or poor choices in life.
>In the end
<Hassle free
Tell me how those modern day online subscription services feel on the rim of your asshole eurofag. I wanna know what you have to say now. Before you are totally fucked for cash by the end of the year.
c48ac4 No.16425407
>>16425246
Not really, best you can do is a used optiplex for 200 with an older i5 (usually a 3000 series), get a new gpu for 100-150, and strongly consider upgrading to an ssd. Comes with a shit tier mouse and rubber dome keyboard that locks up if you push more than two keys at once, so look to replacing that. Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking the hobby is cheap is retarded. You're probably looking at 400-500 starting and it's gonna be a pretty mediocre PC.
f07865 No.16425429
>>16425407
>Not really,
>spreading this much dis info
God this is hilarious.
c48ac4 No.16425454
>>16425429
>disinfo
that's a bit obsessive for my taste
cf40c0 No.16425489
>>16425246
>The cheap pc meme
5f7af7 No.16425503
>>16409399
Been using TVs for my PC since I noticed my TV had a RGB port 10 years ago. Most people are AMAZED that this can be done
aec7a2 No.16425548
>>16425407
This is the better route over the building your own meme. Just needs a few cheap upgrades and suddenly you have a solid mid tier pc for several hundred less than a retard using pc part picker. Did it to replace my dead fx6600 pc.
162135 No.16425560
>>16409253
>not having to upgrade your PC constantly makes PCs less attractive.
wut?
2e617a No.16425575
>>16409253
>most games do not take advantage of high end hardware in any meaningful way
Because the human eye can't see past 30fps, so having over 100fps on PC is worthless.
ead0cf No.16425646
>>16417686
I can run everything but graphically advance games with a 660 at 1920x1080 resolution.
Stop talking shit about something you know nothing about.
>>16416513
>This image which gives no actual sources and is about the AAA Tomb Raider is indicative of all PC games.
This is your brain on console.
ead0cf No.16425653
>>16425575
>Because the human eye can't see past 30fps, so having over 100fps on PC is worthless.
False.
>>16425489
They are cheap to build though, wait until a sale for graphics cards and everything else is relatively cheap depending on what you want.
But again the idiots I'm talking about probably don't know what games you would prioritize CPU instead of GPU and vice versa.
2e617a No.16425699
>>16425653
I think you misunderstood me anon, I was mocking the idea that modern games do not take advantage of better hardware
8fb595 No.16426002
>>16425646
>I can run everything but graphically advance games with a 660 at 1920x1080 resolution.
>Stop talking shit about something you know nothing about.
Oh, now it's (((run))), yet you said (((run at ultra))), go fuck yourself, unless that was another lying fag, still go fuck yourselves.
Also I have a GTX 950, so I know how much these shitty GPUs can do.
5f8c87 No.16426140
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>>16425548
Yeah, the only fly in the ointment is increasing use of SFF cases by office drones, though a lot of these can still take a PCIe dGPU with a 90° adapter and/or half-height card.
>>16425646
>"ultra is a meme" is console apologia
Quite the opposite. It's an observation of the fact that AAA PC game graphics no longer scale (up OR down) to the extent they did in the old days, because of lazy devs targeting consoles.
8805fb No.16426184
>>16409253
The one on the left is a tranny that does porn, lmao. I don't know who the other dude is though.
9b64de No.16426308
>>16426002
Same anon typing at home.
I don't care if you don't believe it or not, I'll enlighten you, for the last several years GPU's have not been making drastic increases in performance, the focus has been on power efficiency, which does have a slight effect on performance.
I can run city skylines at 60 fps, Banished at 60 fps all with large towns/cities.
Dragon Dogma 60fps 1920/1080 full settings
The Hunter cow Ultra, 1920/1080 at 60fps
The forest at 1920/1080 with all settings to max at constant 60fps
8ad9c0 No.16426997
>>16423150
>>16425407
>>16423888
TL;DR
Nice trips though
>>16424027
Total Asscancer made Jewtube videos in 2007?
>>16425016
>400-500 dollars
>Mediocre PC
WEW
f34d9a No.16427053
>>16409253
Who cares, if anything Im kind of glad people are leaving the platform I miss the days of when it wasn't mainstream 13 year old faggots.
000000 No.16427062
>>16422870
Just steal components instead of buying them.
PC is always superior. Consoles are dying.
>>16423320
>This much projecting
>>16425489
Are you one of those retards that BUYS what you want? Cuck.
6ba396 No.16427163
>>16426140
Too true. All Ultra is these days is extended LoD distance. Meanwhile I remember playing FarCry and the difference between high and Ultra was compressed textures vs uncompressed textures
49fefe No.16427173
>>16409253
Fine with me. Console faggots can have all the squeaky 13 year olds, PC going back to being niche (and, consequently, imageboards not being the "cool edgy place" but that's a pipedream) would be a massive improvement.
8ad9c0 No.16427187
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>>16427062
Shut the fuck up Luciano
3a83d8 No.16428890
>>16425560
Don't forget to buy next year's newest console model btw, don't want to get left behind
29d86d No.16430320
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>>16419502
Unfortunately true.
a2808d No.16431302
PC gaming isn't doing so good with windows 8,10.
9b64de No.16433377
>>16431302
The silver lining is that Corporations HATE windows 10.
Windows xp is used for 75% of big businesses which is why its still supported by Microsoft (have to purchase them)
So they wanted Windows 10 with it being the"Last windows" as in they will only be working on 10 in the future.
This backfired as businesses lost TRILLIONS collectively with the shitty O.S.
IT can't figure out blue screen crashes because there isn't a crash dump.
Businesses lose hours sometimes DAYS due to windows updates which are forced.
5f8c87 No.16434135
>>16431302
>implying the walled garden consumer jails of consoledumb aren't far worse
Every single thing you do on a console since 7th gen has been wrapped up and phoned home for sale to marketing analysts, all of your interactions with other players are monitored and recorded, accounts are permanent, and people have already regularly been banned from singleplayer games for thoughtcrime.
These things can be fixed even on Windows 10, let alone other OSs, but the only way to fix them on console is to unplug the Ethernet cable and never plug it in again.
>>16433377
>Windows xp is used for 75% of big businesses
Perhaps, but even in 2016 it accounted for less than 8% of installed enterprise seats, as compared with 62% for W7:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-usage-share-continues-to-grow-but-enterprise-stays-on-sidelines/
For general use online today, W10 & W7 are tied at 39% each, with W8 at 4%, and XP at 3.5%:
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?id=platformsDesktopVersions
And for gayman, W10 has 70%, W7 26%, and W8 3%:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc
>due to windows updates which are forced.
Not true in enterprise environments, where updates are all slipstreamed by the BOFH in your organization's IT department, rather than direct from M$. Remember that's the compromise that allowed us access to the magic of LTSC.
ab14e6 No.16441638
>>16415054
>>16415174
Now imagine if Google provided you all of that for every game in their library, plus gigabit internet, for 125 a month