/v/ - Video Games

>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.

Hello EA.

Why cant games come in discs any more? I would honestly pirate LESS if they did.

They also forked wine into proton which has led to a nightmare scene when it comes to debugging wine.

As almost all new test results are being directed to proton instead of wine.

Proton is a set of scripts built on top of wine and interfaces with steam quite nicely as to make it retard proof.

It's basically just wine + winetricks.

It uses proprietary dlls BY DEFAULT. WHICH IS OF NO HELP TO WINE DEVELOPERS AS DEBUG FROM PROTON DOES NOT REFLECT ON THE ACTUAL STATE OF WINE'S OWN DLLS

This makes me angry every time, that and winedb has basically become a wasteland because of it.

>>16306652

I've only bought one game from Steam my entire life, and only because I was literally forced to. (For educational purposes). I never used Steam before, so I needed help from a PC gamer irl to figure out Steam's confusing interface and how to download games. I quickly learned that Steam wasn't for me and haven't touched it since.

I think I still have about 15 dollars on that account. It was the leftover money from that $20 Steam gift cards I used. Now that Valve won't give me my money back, it seems like a waste for me not to use it.

I just plan on using it to buy Bug Fables if that indie game ever comes out.

>>16306731

all those words and I will read zero of them, you need to relax Abraham

>>16306731

Is there a reason for preferring blu-rayss over flashes drives? Is it because they're more stable/durable? What about the next optical format? M-disc and archival disc, I think.

>>16306652

>Anti Valve

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I want Valve dead as much as any other genuine PC gamer, but what the hell can we do about them?

>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company

dubs thread

>>16306731

>Proton isn't a good thing for Linux

Proton is massive fucking cancer to be sure, but lately I've become convinced that the actual worst thing for GNU/Linux is Mono. It lets worthless hack developers continue to develop for Microsoft's cancerous fucking .NET framework while giving GNU/Linux users an incredibly poorly optimized piece of shit "port".

>>16306780

more like 300+

Get real torfag

>>16306652

Take advantage of the current normalfag revolt against other companies (EA, Soyny, Blizzard and Bethesda) and incite them to also start hating Valve. Show little by little, repeatedly, all info on what Valve has done to ruin the industry. Make every attempt from Valve be met with increasing negative reactions, to the point that normalfags react to Valve in the same way that they reacted to those companies cited above in their recent scams.

after string of failures including tanking the indie market, destroying its own game, and shutting down countless internal projects for no real reason (they cant finish anything because they dont commit to things anymore)

they decided to release another VR headset (market with no gamers and no worthwhile games) and make a another big update to one of their failing games (Artifact) in few years

Do they want to fail at this point? looks like it

i think we can agree no matter what you think how Epic is doing things, atleast its lighting a fire under their ass

This seems like a /cow/ thread with no actual lolcow to milk.

>>16306731

>>16306803

If I have to choose between windows 10 and proton, I go proton

>>16306731

Swap GOG and EA and we're golden. GOG began with good intentions but the Witcher gave excuse to open the floodgates to indie schlock. EA was

Sage for preaching to the choir

>>16306731

valve did the most for linux gaming of all big companies and does their best to migrate players from pajeetware

without valve, most companies wouldn't give a shit about linux and keep their games for windows/mac only, proton is solution for games not getting linux port anyway

>>16306748

>Is there a reason for preferring blu-rayss over flashes drives? Is it because they're more stable/durable? What about the next optical format? M-disc and archival disc, I think.

Flashdrives are more volatile. I think 12 years of not being used will delete all data from most. Disks by their nature are also cheaper. For 32GB thumb stick your looking at $5 or $7, for over priced writable blurays 25gb, i think i paid $1.25 a disk. Using flash drives for RO hasn't really been done before in my experience. That might increase product cost.

>>16306652

>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.

Alright! I'll listen, but i'm very much doubting.

>Their brainwashed drones still praise them.

>Half Life 2 is easily the most over rated game of all time and has done more damage to gaming than any other game.

>Valve drones want something of Valve's to tout and HL2 is what they chose.

>They and the tactics they popularized are always defended.

None of this props up your initial claim. I have no clue why you think Steam is the worst thing in the industry. Also i just want to make sure, but "[…]more damage to gaming than any other company" are we talking about gaming as a whole, or just PC gaming? I just want to make sure what subgroup we're talking.

>Half Life 2 is easily the most over rated game of all time and has done more damage to gaming than any other game.

While Half life 2 is over rated in my opinion, lessons they learned and implemented in the game have advanced the industry.

>>16306682

Why cant games come in discs any more? I would honestly pirate LESS if they did.

It saves money for them to be digital. Why spend the money on printing, and boxing the disk, just to send it to a physical store, just for some of it not to sell? Digital allows them to increase profits and cut down on waste. Also a bit of supply and demand. Why make disk if people are buying digital.

If they did high end physical releases, like having physical goods beyond just the disk, they could likely charge more than $60 for the product.

>>16306731

>Not even close, the most damage EA has done is closing down their own studios. They are number 4 on my list.

I know you're trolling with this thread, but god i wish you were serious.

>>16306910

>reminder that this is the typical person who uses both (((Steam))) and 8chan

You mean (((Battle.net)) and 8chan

>>16307007

Better than OP! At least he had specific complaints about steam.

>i think we can agree no matter what you think how Epic is doing things, atleast its lighting a fire under their ass

Sadly, i don't think so. I think the company structure is causing problems. They can work on what ever the fuck they want, and there are things which need work. TF2 needs staff, steam client needs work, especially in the garbage social areas.

>>16307029

>If I have to choose between windows 10 and proton, I go proton

Keep Feral Interactive's GameMode in your back pocket. If a game doesn't run reasonably, try using it. It vastly improved proton games for me.

https://github.com/FeralInteractive/gamemode

Yeah OP, I'd much rather use Games For Windows Live like a real Windows 10™ gamer.

>competing platform to steam comes out

>massive and unconvincing infographics appear from nowhere about how the new platform is "spying" on you

>a massive shill squad will show up and shit all over the game's thread about how "bad" the game's distribution software is

>any criticism of valve or steam is flooded with that stupid supposedly anti-Chinese post

Does Valve spend anything on advertising? I don't think they do with the number of idiots who constantly shill the damn thing.

>>16307062

What about burned vs pressed blurays vs flash drives? And does it make much difference if the flash drives are in USB or SD or some other type?

>>16307139

B-BUT ANON, I CAN'T GET AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL ANYMORE, ABLOO BLOO BLOO.

>>16307141

I've got a few games from playism that included pdf manuals. One of them even had an html page that played music from the game.

>>16307142

>>16307144

I agree with you 100%, I was being ironic to paraphrase people who shit on digital release because "no boxes and no instruction manuals." Honestly, most fucking people never even read the fucking things, they just wanted physical instruction manuals for no fucking reason.

>>16307139

you are slave to the distributor should they go banckrupt or update their rule to something unacceptable that will if you refuse: cockblock you from the game that you "paid"

it also bloat your hard drive.

>>16307145

Well, physical manuals, in general smell nice, that's a benefit. They had that nice glossy paper.

>>16307148

>Steam going bankrupt

Shit that won't happen in your lifetime. Seriously you think Valve wouldn't lay off their employees and go into a passive subsistence mode before that happens? Steam has BILLIONS of dollars, Gabe Newell is worth BILLIONS of dollars. There's enough money to keep Steam going until the day you die. Valve doesn't spend $500m budgets on shit games pre-doomed to fail like EA or Activision.

>>16307154

>Valve doesn't spend $500m budgets on shit games pre-doomed to fail like EA or Activision.

How much did artifact cost them actually?

>>16307168

I'd prefer regular paper as an actual reading implement however, it makes the inside of the case smell nice and not like toxins.

>>16307172

But the smell of glossy paper IS the smell of toxins. It's literal toxins. You can eat normal paper, you can't safely eat glossy paper.

>>16307191

Actually the Toxic smell is from the disk's label

>>16306664

>EA has done more damage to gaming than any other company.

Hello EULA

>>16307207

>So the only way you lose access to your games is if Steam goes tits up, and that is highly unlikely.

Steam also has an integrated backup system that allows you to take advantage of the package compression it uses so honestly it's really not that bad considering cracking the client to make it run anything without proper license as long as you have the untouched files is trivial

As bad Steam is, everything is better than Ebin Store.

>>16307222

>digital games 50 year in future would be too advanced for old shit to compete.

I think your standards are vastly over estimating the capacity for a branch of software development that hasn't even gotten past PS2 game complexity, and in many cases, regressed behind that

>>16307235

Yes Anon, two separate and unrelated topics are totally a conspiracy because the game just so happens to be sold on Steam just like almost every other fucking game. Master sleuthing skills.

>>16307233

>Why would Steam end? No seriously please explain why Steam would end

Because we are moving into balkanization of internet and age of total control. Era when you could sell goods are freely talk over teh broders would like ancap era of 1819 when you could trade salves and opium over the counter.

>>16307233

I think the youtube game streaming thing is going to flop but it does show that alternatives are trying to push to the surface, I don't see a future for steam, they just don't have a great reputation, and they don't have the cash to innovate as much as google or other big companys have

>>16307259

>steam doesn't have a great reputation

>they don't have the cash to innovate*

* Innovate meaning chase trends from OVER A FUCKING DECADE AGO

Yeah okay fag

>>16307269

Oh congratulations, it looks pretty.

That's not advancement.

>>16307269

>digital vs analog

So agree the old shit was better then. Thanks.

>>16307259

>they just don't have a great reputation

Are you retarded or something? After Ebin killing themselves by overjewing, Origin being shit from the start and propped up by fifafags, and every other launcher being complete bloatware that adds absolutely nothing, and doesn't have a catalog of games nearly as big or on sale as often, Steam is by far the most reputable platform among normalfags. And the Google and Apple gaming consoles are going to flop to shit, since the apple one is probably going to be 400$ more expensive than it should, and the Google one is a bunch of semi-impossible marketing bullshit designed purely for Californians.

>>16307281

No, I'm just honest when it comes to the concept of advancement in game design.

>>16307281

You don't like freckles?

>>16307259

>Steam doesn't have a great reputation

With whom? People on 4chan and 8chan count for a fairly small minority of the gaming population of the world. There are probably people who are reading this thread and disagreeing with you but not posting because you ARE the vocal minority. I am the vocal minority willing to speak against your criticisms because you don't know what gaming used to be like.

Seriously, people who hate Steam have never lived the days of what gaming used to be like before Steam. There used to be games that game with a CD and a floppy Diskette, you had to pop in both to play the game. Do you know how easy it is for a floppy Diskette to get fucked up and wiped?

When Gabe talkeda bout how piracy was a service issue, there are people like yourself who don't understand what that means. But for people who actually lived the years before Steam, we know what the fuck DRM truly was.

>>16307284

Looking pretty is advancement by itself there is no reason to play ugly "use your imagination" point and click game you you can play same point and click game with image that overcomes Hollywood blockbusters of teh past.

Visualization is point of videogames. If you don't need it you would better served by AD&D.

>>16307290

I don't like Jews. The girl on the right looks amazing, the girl on the left looks like she's getting ready for her Bat Mitzvah.

>>16307294

u wot m8

>>16307292

Digging out your disk but finding the code missing basically left you with a Frisbee, To this day i still hate whatever stupid suit felt killing off pc gaming for years over the imaginary threat of piracy.

>>16307301

I was really relieved when I found out that Blizzard was now registering copies of Starcraft/BW, Diablo 2, War3, etc. Cause my CD copies got fucked up but I still had the CD-Keys.

>>16307294

Listen faggot, quite literally anybody could cram a bunch of high poly shit into a game engine For fucks sake, look at any game released ever and I'm sure you can find around 10 High Quality mods for it. It's not a show of any technical skill, and it's more of a sign of how fucking dead ended game design is.

Something meaningful as far as game advancement goes would be the difference between something such as, Halo 2 to Halo 3

GoldSRC to Source

as it stands there hasn't been a meaningful jump in game design since fucking 2007, and in a lot of cases, aside from HE HE HE PRETTY PICTURE MODELS THAT NEVER HAD A TOPOLOGY OPTIMIZATION PHASE uWu LOOK IT EATS UP 80% OF MY CPU AND RAM AND THE HAIR WIGGLES IT'S SO ADVANCED

Shit, most games are even worse technically, don't even get me started on fake physics in fucking everything where everything that moves outside of entities are converted to particles and destroyed immediately afterwards

>>16307300

How does she look Jewish? Maybe Irish.

AND BY THE WAY

FUCK YOU GAME DEVS, THE FUCKING CORN SYSTEM CAME OUT IN 2003 YOU AREN'T IMPRESSING ANYONE WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENT DESTRUCTION

FUCK YOU

people in these thread never played Metro or Resident Evil 2 remake

it shows

its you whos living in 2007

graphics have advanced quite a lot, and one of the main reasons is Physically Based Shading, Volumetric Lighting and Photogrammetry

>>16307550

I assume it's those sites like fantatical and humble bundle that basically give away steam keys. Even if GoG has a sale for 50% off, that seems too much to pay for a game when I can get it for 50¢

>>16306910

>he thinks that most people in here don't use steam

I'm pretty sure almost every anon in this thread has or has had steam at one point. that being said, if you use steam for anything that isn't a multiplayer game then you're a faggot

>>16307145

There were games that had pretty nice manuals (SMAC, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Pharaoh come to mind) but for most they were completely superfluous.The whole muh physical manuals just reeks of retrofetishism.

>>16307207

Failing to accept Valve's unilateral additions to Steam's subscriber agreement results in a full account ban, in addition to other things such as receiving fraudulent gifts (even if you had nothing to do with the purchase), offenses related to piracy and hacking, or simply violating the subscriber agreement or code of conduct.

The danger isn't really that Valve will go bankrupt. The danger is that Valve will either sell out to something worse (i.e. Tencent) or become even worse themselves (as they already have been, they've also demonstrated their willingness to change the agreement in their favor in the past.)

>>16307562

But it's not just on /v/; even outside of /v/ platforms like GOG only get mentioned once in a blue moon, it's like everybody's going 'please, more DRM!' whereas back before the Epic store became a thing the whole discussion was about having no DRM and how good that is. Now the whole discussion is all about DRM platforms, if not just only Steam and Epic. I just don't get what happened to not wanting DRM, because now it's suddenly all about 'your DRM platform is actually shit/your DRM platform is actually great!'.

>>16307562

>GOG is now hated here.

I haven't been keeping up. Is it because they bent over to SJWs on Twitter, and the "it's current century line" in The Witcher?

>>16307591

It's chink shills desperately trying to make everyone talk about Steam and GoG instead of the epic store.

>>16307591

>>16307589

It's a combination of thing them going to reset era to grovel and curating there store against lewd even worse than steam.

>>16307610

Do you know what the word "trying" means?

>>16307595

While I do detest the lack of lewd and faggotry, I don't buy porn games because I refuse to pay for porn and the best ones are free anyway and really only care about actually owning my games without DRM.

>>16307617

They aren't going to make good games period. No amount of buying will suddenly cause ever large kike company to fire all their pajeets and hipsters and replace them with people who know what the fuck they're doing again. Never, ever give money to a system that actively hates you.

>>16307617

Maybe you're confused, or maybe you're too young to remember and just projecting on others, but I remember hating exactly the things described in your image as well. The difference, as the OP's post stated, is that Valve POPULARIZED those things. They went from something being met with majority dislike to something that is accepted as routine. You can tell that it's mostly loyalty to Valve too, because Origin and other similar competitors don't get the same reception overall.

>>16306731

And here I was thinking about making SSD ROMs with a cartridge reader. Also thought about releasing SD card ROMs for PC in the same vein. There would be a partition on the disk for installing update data and local saves so you can play directly on the disk if you want to. And if you want to mod the game then you can install it directly onto your PC or an external back-up drive. As long as you have the disk you can install it on as many machines that you want.

That said anti-DRM's end game is Web 3.0 where the operating systems are cloud computer based.

>>16307620

So i shouldn't give money to Kingdom Come Deliverance?

Or Terraria?

Or A Hat in Time?

No, Anons should only spend money on a bing bing wahoo machine because it's "physical"

Fuck you.

>>16307635

That's the argument everyone here is making.

>>16307639

No. Kill yourself.

>>16307615

Yeah, what does that have to do with anything? Why would chinks try to make people talk about Steam and GOG? I don't understand the logic behind talking about your competitors and not you.

>>16307643

I think what he's trying to say is that they're trying to make people talk about Steam and GOG so that they and their shit can pass by unnoticed while everybody is too busy focusing on their competing platform.

>>16307639

>That's the argument everyone here is making

No they are not. Most retards here are pro-physical and hate digital on principle.

They use arguments against digital like it can't apply to physical as well.

If we put digital and physical right next to each other with every disgusting jewish practice removed digital wins by a landslide.

>>16307631

>Valve POPULARIZED those things

I gave you a specific example of a popular game with "these things" that happened without Valves input.

Valve never payed for back to back shilling to become popular. (mostly because they were already popular)

Valve never forced people in through exclusives.

>you can tell that it's mostly loyalty to Valve too, because Origin and other similar competitors don't get the same reception overall.

Valve got a different reception because it was less intrusive, less walled off, and had better features.

Anyone with laymens knowledge knows that Valve has, by far, the best digital store. So why it is constantly flamed here as the worst thing ever here is beyond me. Every time people attack it I feel like you guys are just making up excuses.

>Steam popularized xyz

>Steam is the source of it all

>what do you mean you want specifics.

Yet when Epic, or Origin enters the room? Crickets, with the occasional cop out of "All digital stores suck"

>>16307617

I get.

In these anti-digital threads, I'm normally the one that mentions that the physical media is your own hard drive, and in most cases the games can be burned onto a disc. A disc itself, does not mean it won't be DRM-free or [always] online launcher free (e.g Blizzard games or any physical games that still require you do enter a Steam code).

Just that current perception of data on a hard drive has people give themselves the perception that what is on their hard drive doesn't necessarily belong to them even though it should. E.g people who buy microtransactions in online multiplayer games e.g hats, skins, etc are essentially paying to access data already on their computer- otherwise the computer wouldn't be able to render such items on the other players to begin with.

And some people just don't buy blu-ray drives for their computers anymore since the read/write is slower than hard drives.

But I don't believe spending money in the ways you suggest does anything other than sustaining the status quo.

>>16307682

>I gave you a specific example of a popular game with "these things" that happened without Valves input.

>Yet when Epic, or Origin enters the room? Crickets, with the occasional cop out of "All digital stores suck"

When you put these two lines together, I can't figure out if you're talking about contemporary image boards of each era, or whether you're talking about the average retarded gamer. If you're talking about the average retard, they'd never say any digital stores suck. If you're talking about places like this, those "features" were never popular. You could argue that many people were hypocrites about it, but they at least put on a good public face about it.

Also, keep in mind that Valve of this era was simply poking its nose in through the steadily widening overton window. It was still a net loss for the consumer, but compared to StarForce or SecuROM it was easy to fool people.>>16307682

>Anyone with laymens knowledge knows that Valve has, by far, the best digital store. So why it is constantly flamed here as the worst thing ever here is beyond me.

I don't care if Valve makes the "tastiest" Diarrhea Milkshake. It's still a milkshake made with human excrement, it's irrelevant if they mask the flavor better than EA.

>Yet when Epic, or Origin enters the room? Crickets, with the occasional cop out of "All digital stores suck"

And this, of course, is because people like the Epic Store and Origin. Certainly it's not because there are no games worth caring about, it can't be because the companies themselves are some of the lowest trash in the world, and there's no possibly way that it's related to the fact that the digital distribution argument has, for most people, been completely settled and decided for years, and there's no point in paying enough attention to it to argue with an apologist like yourself.

>>16306652

>new game comes out

>physical copy drops significantly in price, even as early as 6 months later

<meanwhile, on digital platforms, games that are 5+ years old somehow maintain their value

<only time you see a (temporary) price reduction is during sales

How can they get away with this shit?

>>16307778

The joke's on you, COD2 still costs the equivalent of 45$ physical where I live.

>>16307736

>When you put these two lines together, I can't figure out if you're talking about anons or retarded gamers durrrrrrrrr.

I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU. YOU PIT-PULLING JEW.

So let me get this strait. You're mad at valve specifically because they are the best storefront? Really?

You said it yourself, "tastiest diarrea milkshake".

>it's irrelevant if they mask the flavor better than EA.

I'd say it's pretty relevant, if you don't have standards you will always end up for the worse. Western Art only became worse when people became unable to have preferences.

So I will say what is the best and what is worst whether you like it or not, because their must always be winners and there must always be losers.

Also they aren't "masking a flavour" They are providing a service, that either functions or doesn't function.

>the fact that the digital distribution argument has, for most people, been completely settled and decided for years,

Yet we still get these stupid threads that, mind you, didn't exist before Epic games decided to become merchants like Valve.

It's almost like you are copping out saying "all digital stores suck" now that I've brought up the other stores. hmmmmmmmmmm.

>>16307758

>Defending Valve is pleb tier tbh fam.

>Oh shit he pointed out the shilling.

>Oh shit he pointed out that I suck dick

>Better call him a hipster

2/10

>>16307784

<Dark Souls 2 Scholar of the First Sin; released in 20-fucking-15 (four goddamn years old); On Steam; 40-fucking-dollars

>new physical copy: 15-fucking-dollars

<Dark Souls 3; released April 2016 (3 years old); On Steam, full price

>used: 1/3 of the price, even new physical copies are cheaper

<Watch_Dogs 2; released November 2016 (nearly 3 years old); On Steam, full price

>used: 1/3 of the price, even new physical copies are cheaper

<Nioh Complete Edition; released on Steam in Nov 2017 (around 2 years old); 49.99 USD

>used: 1/3 the price (no dlc; the complete edition did not get a physical release)

<Far Cry 5; released March 2018 (1 year old); On Steam, full price

>new physical copy: around half price

<GTA V; released in 20-fucking-15 (four god damn years old); On Steam only recently got a price reduction to half price

>new ps4 physical copy: 15 fucking dollars

So, eat shit nigger.

>inb4 "hurr why would you want to play any of those games anyway"

>>16307838

You're calling me a jew while defending digital distribution bullshit. I'd just like that to sink in briefly.

>You're mad at valve specifically because they are the best storefront? Really?

No. You don't have this "strait". Valve gets the attention and ire that it does because it was the most successful at it, and because the widest variety and quantity of titles have fallen into its abyss. You just don't seem to understand that even though "Valve has, by far, the best digital store", I don't want a digital store. Being the best of a series of bad things means it is still bad. Does that make things "strait" for you?

>It's almost like you are copping out saying "all digital stores suck" now that I've brought up the other stores. hmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe if the other storefronts manage to make even shittier practices popular while becoming a de facto monopoly on the distribution of games in any format, and someone like you comes along to defend them, we'll have the same conversation about Epic Games.

Fortunately, nobody is stupid enough to do that, so it's not necessary.

>>16307917

>key reseller

Yeah, and I can get it for free by pirating, what's your fucking point? The original argument was that on Steam games are more expensive and retain their value longer than their physical counterparts.

>good luck finding it

Where are you, in some third world shithole? This is America, son, and here we have something called abundance.

>>16307937

I see third world niggers are still too retarded to provide an actual argument to back up their points.

>>16307945

and also video games.

>>16307956

>provide an actual argument

Digital is pretty much the only way to get most videogames "legally" outside of central Europe and burgerland. You're also a stupid nigger and you said "digital platforms" and not steam exclusively, meaning, yes, key resale sites and all of that shit counts, since they're also platforms to buy videogames digitally. You're a fat fuck, go gorge yourself on burgers.

>Valve has done more damage to gaming then any other company

You're fucking joking right? I mean they do stupid shit like censoring porn games and the whole paid mod fiasco. But to call them the worst? Wew, give that to Tencent or EA.

>>16306652

Why does your list include everything BUT pushing assfucking anti-consumer DRM? That's by far the most cancerous thing Valve does.

>>16307137

>Lootboxes

Too be fair I am pretty sure Valve is the one who popularized it with tf2.

>>16307965

>Digital is pretty much the only way to get most videogames "legally" outside of central Europe and burgerland

Then pirate everything, you dumb cunt. Why would you pay for anything if you live in some third world shithole? Use what little money you have to buy some fucking bananas or whatever the fuck it is that you eat.

>you said "digital platforms" and not steam exclusively, meaning, yes, key resale sites and all of that shit counts, since they're also platforms to buy videogames digitally.

Yeah, well, fuck you. They're not official digital distribution platforms, and they wouldn't exist without Steam, or a legitimately run operation. When you buy from them, you still have to use Steam, you dumbshit, the only difference is that you're getting a discount courtesy of some fuck who used dubious methods of procuring a quantity of keys without paying for them. What if Steam suddenly decided that they want to incorporate some technology that would allow them to detect when any given key was sold through a reseller or otherwise not authorized by them? Then your resellers go out the fucking window.

Eat shit cocksucker, the point is that prices on platforms like Steam shouldn't be so outrageous.

>>16307975

>Implying this wasn't a big thing before Steam

God damn, steamworks is easy as fuck to crack. They don't make an effort to make it hard to either.

>>16308005

Steam normalized it. We have Denuvo precisely because people tolerate Steam.

>>16308009

In fact Steam is also directly responsible for Origin and Epic's stupid DRM front now too. Good job shit eaters.

>>16308009

But it was normalized before, I wouldn't blame Valve for that. It Denuvo is a shit thing for sure, but it would of happened either with or without steam. Now I wish valve wouldn't allow Denuvo since it's borderline maleware but that's just me.

>>16307550

Could be shills with the only definitive goal to weaken one platform, could be a coincidence

>>16307550

GoG doesn't get great releases, I would recommend it if you want to buy older games. Not to mention the increasing requirement of their storefront Galaxyfrom what I've heard.

>>16308009

Does the name Securom ring any bells dipshit?

Digital distribution is the inevitable result of the nature of programs really just being data coupled with the spread of the internet. There isn't really a systemic problem that doesn't also go as deep as regular people growing more likely to play games to offset their boredom, you cannot fix stupidity, just distract it and profit from it. There will always be good games, but if you grew up with a mainstream taste then you will see it go to shit because of people you are just slightly ahead of on the curve.

>>16308055

I'm sorry, how is it exactly that you think that's an argument? Steam is far and away the most widespread and pervasive of all DRM.

>>16306731

All faggots who say Valve is the worst company need to off themselves. While every major publisher was busy ruining video games, Valve was reviving PC gaming.

>>16308080

>your argument isn't an argument

>>16308098

Valve "revived" PC gaming by consolizing it and putting out its trash games and reddit humor. It succeeded in ruining PC by displacing the consumerbase with a flood of ex-console redditors who have no expectations beyond what console could do. This is why most big games now are just console games that happen to run on PC. Nothing that pushes the platform forwards. Ex-Console "PC Master Race" valvdrone reddit faggots have no expectations beyond the consoles they grew up with in 2005

>>16308119

>putting out its trash games and reddit humor.

Isn't most of valve's writting and mannerism built from things that long since predate reddit

>>16307956

>and also video games.

That's Japan. At least for now. The trash you produce does not deserve to be called video games.

>>16307966

How about Soyny?

>>16307137

>before Steam, the PC gaming market had shrunk to a very small wall at any fucking game shop. PC titles were almost nonexistent because almost all of the publishers had switched to consoles.

I can confirm this exact situation where I live. It didn't help I didn't live in the big city, so Steam certainly made life easier in that regards.

>>16308119

You strike me as the kind of guy who spent half his life arguing with pcmr redditors.

Nobody here cares about pcmr, they are just washed up bottomfeeders who get their high off of memes. Nobody here associates with them.

Also are you saying just because Valve had a little sense of humor means they are reddit? Get out.

>It succeeded in ruining PC by displacing the consumerbase

Valve didn't displace anything, if anything they absorbed the consumerbase.

>Nothing that pushes the platform forwards

VR, indie games galore, and… well that's all that's really needed.

>This is why most big games now are just console games that happen to run on PC

Is Arma 3 a console game?

Are Steam's thriving community of strategy, sim builder, and management vydia console games?

Get out.

>>16308175

>VR

>pushing the platform forward

How you know you're talking to a sycophant.

>>16308152

I would say Sony is worse yes, almost on par with EA and tencent

>>16308181

You can't deny they're trying to, its extremely obvious.

>>16308181

It is. It's pushing the platform forward painfully slowly, and it's way too fucking expensive to be feasible for now, but it's doing something beyond cramming more polygons onto a rock model nobody gives a shit about.

>>16308181

How would you push the platform forward?

>>16308199

By renouncing DRM, pushing for libre drivers and dev libraries, and by forcing all developers who publish on my store to have a full input remapping utility, as used to be the expected standard of PC gaming in the late '90s and early '00s.

>>16308148

It's not about which one came first. It's about it being cancerous and retarded. All of valves games after goldsrc just try and hide the shit gameplay behind "lore" , reddit humor, and gay storytelling. The only time valve has ever made any remotely good gameplay is when they copy or otherwise reuse ideas from id software.

>>16308175

It's very obvious that you spend all your time eating shit. VR and indie games are trash. Valve humor is reddit humor, and the valvedrones here buy into the same false history retardation that you do. I don't interact with reddit, you are really just projecting, but I think that you would fit in with that website.

Consider, modern sim building games and management games are all garbage decoration games with no real management difficulty. Not even worth mentioning.

Arma 3, strategy games, this is just cherrypicking. Of course there are a couple games and generes that can't be done on console. But most people spend all of their time playing console shooters like, overwatch, AAA console ports, etc. If you play a game that is compatible with consoles you are playing something that will never take advantage of the PC platform. The gameplay is just tainted from design decisions made for console.

Pushing PC forwards is better gameplay- not trash immersion, storytelling, experimental (low effort) games that VR and indie produce. There is nothing of value and it tells me all I need to know about your taste in games.

>>16308209

Idea of " game launchers" Is the cancer that makes this possible. Real progress is not arguing which faggot middleman is better. Just, running the programs normally…

Imagine being this butthurt over digital store front that (((you))) don't use. Okay China, good luck with your exclusives.

Pirate everything.

>>16308237

I don't use their store at all but I'm sick and tired of games I look forward to being shat up with their scummy fucking DRM.

>>16307924

>what is GoG?

>>16308268

You make it sound like nobody hit enter twice before 2005.

>>16308287

Its

Shitty

Formatting

Regardless

Nigger Brain.

>>16308268

Generally a game being good has little to do with it being indie. But a game being bad, has a lot to do with being indie. Do you know what I mean?

Anyway let me, try and explain something to you- if you unironically enjoy valve humor you are a redditor, I know you won't admit it, but in spirit, that is where you belong. Projecting furiously is not going to help- if you want to change, you need to first, stop eating shit, stop projecting, and stop jerking off to gay valve "storytelling" where some mullato nigger pretends to be your girlfriend for two hours or something. Stop being a little faggot and treating every attack on your stupid faggot video games as an attack on you , ok?

>>16308287

not if there end up more empty lines than text

you double tap maybe once per paragraph but not every other sentence

>>16308295

>Generally a game being good has little to do with it being indie. But a game being bad, has a lot to do with being indie. Do you know what I mean?

Yes I do. You said you wanted to "advance the platform forward."

How do you do that? Well you have a bunch of Indie developers enterprise to take risks.

To succeed you must take risks. If not the Indie cucks than who else? AAA isn't going to be taking any risks.

Do you know what I mean?

>Anyway let me, try and explain something to you-

Teach me your wisdom r/AskMeAnything

>if you unironically enjoy valve humor you are a redditor

Get over yourself.

>Projecting furiously is not going to help-

>you need to first, stop eating shit, stop projecting, and stop jerking off to gay valve "storytelling" where some mullato nigger pretends to be your girlfriend

Wew. he's completely unaware.

>Stop being a little faggot and treating every attack on your stupid faggot video games as an attack on you , ok?

hahahahahahaha

Mentally defunct faggots like you are just to much fun.

>>16308333

just more worthless projection. Consider, anyone who is "indie" and successful is immediately distanced from being indie, or rather, that just isn't important anymore. People who advance the platform don't waste time identifying with the worthless "indie games" culture,

Hotline Miami is a good game but is it advancing the platform forwards? It's really just part of the somewhat recent trend of taking art that was being made for free, if you look at the hundreds of flash games that anyone could play for free, and a lot of them were as good as hotline Miami, and now packaging these games as products that you have to sell on the steam store. Ultimately it's regressive because it attaches a price tag on a type of product that wasn't special and didn't require Steam in the first place.

Anyway it's just true that you feel attacked when someone identifies your faggot reddit humor for what it is. Really the only difference between you and a redditor is that on the off chance that you don't actually post on there is that you have slightly more shame and self awareness (at least enough to not admit to being a redditor in this thread). Otherwise those people are literally the same as you are, same revisionisim, same dicksucking, etc.

>>16306698

Embrace, extend, extinguish. It's rather fitting considering Gabe worked at Microsoft before Valve.

>>16308369

Part of me is a bit concerned, I'll admit. I don't go on Plebbit so i don't know what their humor is like.

And since you're obviously an expect on all things Reddit, you could be right. I am slowly becoming tainted by this "Reddit humor".

I'll just go take a walk outside and contemplate my life.

**Luckily I don't have to contemplate much about Valve because you've provided no counter-arguments to mine, and have resorted to calling me names.*

The only way to fix gaming is to give people something better to do.

>>16308402

> I am slowly becoming tainted by this "Reddit humor".

Not that simple. Your humor and reddit humor is coming from the same origin, the same place.. valve, is one example. Do you like superhero comics? That's another… I'm not trying to describe a recent phenomenon. Just one that was always there. Reddit is just less self aware.

What arguments did you put forth that I didn't address? Same revisionist claims made by valvedrones with no real context on the situation, this is the "false history" created by people with no context of what games were like without/before steam. Loss of freedom that steam created is the meaning of this , "consolization", as well as a new wave of people with no context about what PC games were like before valve. This makes shitty valve games the foundation of their tastes and ideas about what PC games are and should be. Faults are projected onto EA, consoles, etc. with no self awareness about who the cancer really is. Redditors are just the most explicit, least self aware people in this group.

>>16307138

>What about burned vs pressed blurays vs flash drives? And does it make much difference if the flash drives are in USB or SD or some other type?

I have no clue once we leave the realm consumer space. I'd assume pressed would be better and cheaper in every way. I don't see how SD or thumb drives would ever compete with disk.i

>>16308445

Well strictly speaking they can't, really the only reason 16-64gb flash media is a thing is because sony are niggers about blurays

>>16308209

I think he meant in term of hardware or even mechanics because this is the only supposed value VR has but just in theory since on practice it's absolute shit, though PC as gaming platform can't be pushed because of the terrible state of industry as well. The only people with actual money are so happens incompetent retards who love to play it safe and being lazy as fuck at the same time by consolizing games, even if they start with making PC version just to port it to consoles later, DOA6 seems to be the best recent example of it.

People think that consoles are problem or even digital stores are which have no control over industry, but not really and not in a sense they think it is, same goes for digital games having non-changed prices which wasn't such a big problem in the long past. The real problem is industry being a shitshow thanks to retards who infested it and publishers becoming even more greedy while having more control thanks to digital era and mainly Internet as some anon stated in physical related thread. After all it's because of them digital games prices never change and if they could they would never allow retailers to change prices either, there they have much less control which is why prices aren't a problem when it comes to retail.

But this shit works mainly because of huge discounts which is the biggest reason why those companies don't change prices, people accepting this shit because there are discounts. However there are still CD keys which can't be easily controlled just like retailers and some of this shit you can get dirt cheap.

>>16308227

>Consider, modern sim building games and management games are all garbage decoration games with no real management difficulty. Not even worth mentioning.

This is a problem of industry itself though. No fucking store would change this situation. Our only hope is for American industry to crush with no survivors, otherwise nothing will ever change the situation. Otherwise your best hope is for AA developers outside of leftist clique.

>>16308295

>But a game being bad, has a lot to do with being indie

Except it has a lot to do with clique, not with being indie. Every leftist indie is absolute shit but not every indie game is leftist.

>>16306652

Fuck off tecent, nobody will use your gay ass Epic (more like Egay) store

>>16308442

> I'm not trying to describe a recent phenomenon. Just one that was always there.

>what PC games were like before valve

Valve is a symptom, not a cause, though of course there is a feedback loop as with anything, same as your example with Reddit. PC gaming got popular, popular things aim at the LCD if their goal is pure profit. Ennui in the modern world will call more and more morons to spaces which they can be harvested. Dreams of infinite progress are idealistic visions that you were bombarded with while you grew up, in reality shit plateaus and degenerates.

>>16308119

Valve revived PC gaming by selling PC games and giving the PC market a breath of fresh air. Underage cunts don't know absolute jack shit.

>>16308268

The main problem with reddit's text formatting is that you can't just type something onto a new line, like here. Either everything is on one line until it wraps to the next automatically (which you can't control), or it's a new paragraph.

If I want to format

something like this

on reddit

without paragraphs,

I can't do that. I'd be forced to make each of those lines into a completely new paragraph, which takes up space and looks extremely retarded.

>>16308480

And to make it more clear, if industry wasn't broken in the first place we would have a good digital store with all the advantages like no DRM, a choice for updates, better prices and other shit, but this possible only with people getting common sense and being against the kikes having advantage or exploiting them.

>>16308491

Absolutely agree. If it wasn't for Valve I would never be able to play Guilty Gear XX AC+R or UNIEL unless I supported the faggots at Soyny, Arcsys gave up on PC after several attempts at getting there until their castrated BBCT version finally sold well enough to consider putting their shit on PC again and actually putting some efforts into this shit with getting feedback from players. This is just a minor case however and there are more good games which were finally released outside of locked PC shitboxes.

>>16308529

>If it wasn't for Valve I would never be able to play Guilty Gear XX AC+R

That's nice for those like you who have no standards, but I still can't play AC+R because I refuse to be fucked by Steam DRM. I'm tired of playing #Reload with nobody. As a big XX fan myself, I sincerely hope you choke on shit.

>>16308480

>This is a problem of industry itself though.

You're taking this out of it's immediate context. It's a response to >>16308175

>Are Steam's thriving community of strategy, sim builder, and management vydia console games?

About how it's not worth talking about just since it's a genre in a poor place right now. Kind of auxillary to our discussion because it isn't complex enough. So, I agree with you.

>>16308480

I agree too, this is, my poor communication of an idea. Expressed better in here: >>16308369

>>16308080

>>16308209

>late '90s and early '00s

You mean back when all fucking games had on disk DRM? That sometimes wrecked your drives? Installed fucking Ring 0 rootkits? That didn't work if you had drive emulators or CD burning software installed? Those 90s/early 00s?

>sTEaM maDE pEoPLe aCcEPt DrM OtheRWisE wE'd LiVE iN frEEtARd PaRAdiSe rIGhT nOW

You either need to lose you nostalgia goggles or stop being dumbass underage b& LARPing as a /v/idya hipster.

>>16308646

>You mean back when all fucking games had on disk DRM?

No, I don't? It sure must be convenient being an underage faggot and telling yourself that Steam's ubiquitousness now is how it's always been though.

>>16307070

>It's been like 6 years

>bronies are basically dead as a fandom

>autists still have a visceral rage reaction to seeing a cartoon horse

Lol

>>16308624

>a poor place

They still get games, because Steam is convenient for everybody and facilitates the publishing of video games.

>>16307091

>Chinese company gets exposed for selling your data to the chink govt and making a botnet

>Sudden, massive backlash against an existing competitor while claiming the Chinese company did nothing wrong

Wowie sure does make my brain do a big ol thinkeroo

>>16308593

>That's nice for those like you who have no standards

Nice projection. I never for my whole life bought a Sony or MS console, same goes for Nintendo and I never will, nothing will make me do that and I would never buy AC+R on anything other than PC. That said, even Reload had DRM which was also quite useless just like Steamworks, you can even play Steam version offline with no problem.

>I sincerely hope you choke on shit.

I wish you the same thing, but mainly because you're useless and can't provide a solution even for yourself, I bet you're also a hypocrite and did support shitty business practices in the past besides playing DRM games before Steam was a thing, I don't think there is anyone who is pure here and I'm going to mention again that Reload had DRM on PC too. But if anything, Guilty Gear is worth buying on the less cancerous platform even with Steam DRM which is easily removable if you're tech illiterate too and I absolutely do not regret it which is on the contrary for anything else.

Though I didn't purchase from Steam directly.

>>16308624

>You're taking this out of it's immediate context

Well, it's still very relevant to this thread. The point is, if we need better customer options we need to change the shit industry.

>>16308732

I can only presume you only played the latest in AAA trash back then, DRM was mostly found on those releases. Smaller developers and publishers did not shove DRM down people's throat with anywhere near the rate at which they do these days thanks to the ease of crippling a game with Steam.

>I don't think there is anyone who is pure here and I'm going to mention again that Reload had DRM on PC too

Oh you mean the game that is currently sold right now on GOG? In what form?

>>16308681

You're conflating steam existing with those games being made. They aren't related to each other.

>>16308754

#Reload comment direct at >>16308744

>>16308764

And you just confirmed you aren't interested in an honest discussion. Thank you for the battle, kiddo.

>>16308754

>In what form?

In form of physical copy released in 2002.

>>16308784

So it's DRM because it was physical?

16308491

Sure, VALVE did that but STEAM was just a shameless cash grab. Nothing was wrong with CD keys and Gamespy was better than Steam has ever been. Fuck DRM, fuck shills, and fuck jews.

>>16308784

Hence I said it had DRM.

>>16308789

It's DRM because you couldn't play without disk being inserted in your CD drive.

>>16306652

EA / EPIC shill detected

>>16308775

Bullshit doesn't fly in serious discussion, don't be mad you're being called out for not knowing what you're talking about.

>>16308797

Ah okay, two things:

1. The disc check is gone in the GOG release, if it ever even was a thing and you're not just making shit up

2. Disc checks are not DRM

DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT is: a secondary background process running alongside software to police the user's legitimate use of it. Disc checks are a form of copy protection. There are many types of copy protection including DRM and more hardware-focused means like obfuscated chips, physical region locks, CD keys, etc. There may certainly be compelling arguments about why all copy protection is bad, but it's important to distinguish between different types because some fundamentally curtail rights or impede user control more than others.

Remember buying CDs? Physically owning a product but still having to type out CD keys? Machine activation limits? Activation servers that went down after less than a decade? Having to insert the CD into the drive when you play? Vital patches that you could only download from ModDB because the game's website is long dead?

I do and I still fucking hate it. Steam is not perfect but it's better in every way. If you want something physical go buy some fucking merchandise.

>>16308851

Most computers now lack disk drives. A big reason why this is, is because almost all software went digital a longass time ago. Games if anything are still behind the curve since most office software can't even be purchased physically if you wanted to. You must download an online launcher. Digital was an inevitability people for some reason are blaming Valve for capitalizing on.

>>16308851

>Physically owning a product but still having to type out CD keys?

Oh no a minor annoyance you must do a single time when you install the game.

vs

>useless background process forcing user to give up extra system resources and control every single time they play a game

I think it's obvious which of these is worse.

>>16308876

>Oh no a minor annoyance you must do a single time when you install the game.

That's not the point. Companies eventually got fed up with this activation because it was trivial to crack. Which is why they got on-board massive drm schemes that were much more invasive. They still do this today with Denuevo and always online titles but it was much worse back then.

>>16308876

Tech illiterate.

>>16308883

Not to mention how fucking tiny the PC section of retail gaming was back then, and it was always shrinking and getting smaller. PC sales were shit unless you were an online game that had a trial client like Evercrack.

Valve started the digital distribution trend in full force (it did exist prior but it was fragmented at best and next to useless at worst), and for better or worse PC game sales got to the point where boxed copies in store started getting more shelf space despite being tied to activating the keys on Steam.

>>16308899

the PC gaming landscape was in decline during the late 2000s and early 2010s and didn't really make a comeback til the mid 2010s. You can see it with how Epic who used to make Unreal Tournament went from a primarily PC developer, to Cliffy B going "Gears of War 2 won't be on PC because a person who knows how to upgrade their graphics card also probably knows how to use Bittorrent". And it's even more funny that they're trying to take over the PC gaming space now after they abandoned it 10 years earlier.

>>16308899

>and for better or worse PC game sales got to the point where boxed copies in store started getting more shelf space despite being tied to activating the keys on Steam.

Not saying my experience was everyone's, but at the stores where I live the downward trend in PC game store space never stopped. In some stores around here the games are one or two columns right next to tax software.

>>16308918

>forum birthed from a consumer revolt

>now back to sucking Gabe's cock

Astro turfing is a wonderful thing.

>>16306660

>>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company

but it's true. now they're cucking out and censoring stuff to appease SJW types and hiding reviews calling out companies when they pull some bullshit, labeling them as "review bombs". valve also

>cultivated an army of braindead drones that defend them unconditionally (see people like that kaldaien faggot)

>attempted to instate paid mods

>popularized the trend of tying physical games to a fucking user account, on top of forcing you have internet and keep their spying bloatware running to play them

>popularized the centralized multiplayer model with their steamworks shit and matchmaking

>popularized the cancerous trend of infecting working games with unnecessary cosmetic items and skins

>are pioneers in creating a marketplace where you can exchange your microtransaction shit for in-store credit, which, given that items are obtained from (usually) paid lootboxes, is a blatant form of gambling

also see how they're EEE'ing wine >>16306698

hell, the only shit Valve needs to do to to become the worst game company ever would be going the EA/Activision route and buying studios, then running them into the ground.

>>16307062

>I think 12 years

you mean months. you're supposed to plug in flash drives every less than 12 months (assuming 40°C active temperature, storage at 30°C) to ensure the data isn't lost.

>>16307139

>digital is way better than physical.

not in its current cancerous incarnation. it would be true if digital behaved similar to a ripped console ISO or ROM (i.e. can back it up, play it anytime without restrictions, etc.)

>>16307154

>Shit that won't happen in your lifetime

except when it does happen. besides it's still way inferior to physical which is what matters.

>>16308926

>not able to save games on physical releases

Are you retarded? Do you have brain damage?

>maximum of 3 activations

Only for a few titles, mostly triple-A garbage.

>fucks up your disk drive

No.

Fucking retard, holy shit. Kill yourself.

>>16308940

Honestly I actually struggle to come up with games that had that kind of crap that I actually wanted to play. Spore and Bioshock both sucked ass.

>>16308940

>Are you retarded? Do you have brain damage?

Did you remember GTA4's PC release. When it ran on Games for Windows Live? Where if you went offline the game disabled the ability to save your game?

>Only for a few titles

>problem existed during physical that doesn't anymore

>"I guess the problem didn't exist"

Did you forget about all of this and assume that physical releases was some amazing time period where you just bought a game and put it in and played it? Almost every game I would buy had some bullshit I had to deal with. It's why used video game stores never carried them because it was a nightmare to deal with every single drm scheme that every company put out.

>>16308918

I will take a drm free digital that i can burn to a disk to a drm filled pc release there is a reason physical died on the pc but is going strong on console, Stupid suits pushing drm.

>>16308683

The same message got pushed about Origin collecting, selling your information, and turning your computer into a botnet. I think I saw it with Bethesda's client too but nobody cared since skyrim was already on steam. It seems to happen every time a client that could do some actual damage to Steam.

I have my doubts about the epic games launcher collecting any meaningful information from your computer.

>>16306716

>needs help to navigate Steam

kek brainlet

>>16308914

I am sure you enjoyed buying WoW subscriptions and Sims expansions.

>>16309023

Because Origin did do those things and probably still does. Faggot.

>>16308918

>There are people in this thread even now, not only arguing a single aspect of steam but claiming it is better than the age of nonstandardized verification of physical releases

Oy vey

Fags are less intellectually honest than the retards that actually try to argue the opposition doesn't believe in global warming

>>16309165

lmao imagine selling games without VA

you are delusional

otherwise i agree with most of what you have said

>>16309202

Voiceactors are glorified clowns and overpriced

Dev voices > voiceactors

>>16306698

Yes, it pisses me off too. It used to be if I wanted to get something working, just check winedb and its all there. Now? I have to go patch together hot ideas from various youtube videos showcasing proton where they put their own workarounds in the video description, and if something goes wrong with dxvk you can bet your ass the issue isn't listed on winedb, or even dxvk's own repo. Its on the fucking proton repo with its six million issues of various broken shit. The few times I've tried proton it hasn't come close to working. Even setting aside the huge mountain of technical issues, they've destroyed wine's ability to be maintained.

>>16308939

>Valve implemented a backup option into Steam

So what. you're missing the part where steam requires an account and internet, forces you to run its spyware/bloatware, doesn't let you lend, resell, or transfer ownership of your games, still has DRM, etc. you know, the reasons people hate digital.

>>16307581

Valve isn't a publicly traded company, so the risk of them becoming another Tencent company is almost 0.

>>16308933

>inferior to physical

Depends, not all of us have tonnes of space to put up shelving units to display our games like they're some kind of fucking trophies. You know what a wall of games you never play is good for? House fire fuel. Shit happens.

>>16309757

you don't know how it works. "private" companies still have investors, it's just that an agreement for them is made in private. You have no idea who owns valve really, and there's nothing stopping them from making deals with tencent in the future or going public and getting bought out by tencent.

Valve is private company in the truest sense, they would never make deal like Epic did with Tencent

they truly are the good guys in gaming as they portray themselves, if there is such a thing

then again Valve own internal structure is fucking up their development of games, rather than helping these days

but i am glad Epic is lighting a fire under their ass, so they cant waste another decade on things people dont buy or want

>>16309834

>valve will tank steam if they do nothing

Epic doesn't provide the deals that Steam does, and people already hate the Epic store for their exclusivity deals. If anything if Epic doesn't clean up their fucking act, they'll be the first digital platform to go under.

I for one welcome our chinese overlords

>>16309968

Go back to predicting the weather you hack.

>>16307595

wtf are they doing going to a nazi shithole like that!? and I just bought witcher 3 last week as well.

There are people >>16308926 posting on this board right now that weren't even alive in 07'

>>16310097

>having doubts means you are a shill

You sound like a valve drone.

>>16310244

If you still have doubts after proof is shown, then yes, you are a shill.

>b-but valve!

Valve is shit too. Realizing Tencent Store is a botnet doesn't mean you like steam. It's not one or the other you fucking niggerkike.

>>16307062

>>16310024

Thanks for the answers.

>>16311260

Actually, seems like even Russian are calling out DS kikes on their lying because their official Russian distributor Buka promised Steam CD keys for pre-ordering the game from them.

>>16310113

>FUD threads

more like calling out companies on their kikery. this is the only place I've seen with a consensus that digital game "ownership" is a big fat lie. everywhere else you get complacent remarks about how you're "just paranoid" and "these companies are your friends, they wouldn't piss off their customers", and corporate cocksuckers going "why won't these companies take more of my money X-DDD"

>>16311265

Deepsilver is a publisher.

The development studio is 4A games.

4A games are Ukrainian, not Russian, and had to relocate to England because of the war.

Though ultimately, it doesn't matter if 4A is from Zimbabwe or anywhere else because Deepsilver is the one who handles distribution.

I'm pretty sure this deal with Epic was, "teenager cramming at the last minute to finish his homework on the bus" tier last minute.

So they probably made a lot of false promises when they said that everyone could keep their pre-orders.

Like the teenager on the bus, they gave themselves no time to properly do their math.

>>16307139

Only if pirated and without any control or profit given to any company or developer.

The whole concept of paying for anything digital is retarded. If it is digital, it must always be free.

>>16311649

>this is the only place I've seen with a consensus that digital game "ownership" is a big fat lie

It is a lie, but that comes par for the course with the internet. Nobody here is pretending that you can fully own anything digital, so get your strawman out of here.

There are however, plenty of people of saying that physical is better which is just as much a lie

I have a physical copy of spore next to me right now.

>Spore sucks blah blah blah

Yeah, yeah I know it sucks. I got it when I was obviously younger.

But this game is a living testament to how everything peddled here about physical is wrong. You will never be able to own physical.

Spore had SecuROM and it's own account system. So right here I have the fucking disk, and it won't install. What's up with that? I thought the only way I could "own" a game is through physical?

Oh that's right it has SecuROM, and has already been activated on three other machines. There's also the fact that I need the unique manual for the game because it has the activation code on the back of it. So if that had been lost 10 years ago I would have also been fucked.

In further insult to injury spore has it's own account system were you had to make an account on Maxis's multiplayer network. But that got shut down, so even if I did somehow manage to get past SecuROM I'll still be fucked by being stuck with only the default game and none of the multiplayer.

>Well spore is only one game.

It was one out of many. This was the way things were retard. It was cancer, and consoles were being to monopolize the market because of it.

Your "golden age" of piracy was more of a dark age, because you can't pirate games on PC when they don't even fucking run on PC's because they are all being made for consoles!

Just like what will happen to Piracy again if Stadia ever becomes a thing.

You can't pirate a game if it's software is designed to run on a sever farm.

Also these are obviously FUD threads. If you don't see that then you're just part of the problem.

>>16311710

>consoles were being to monopolize

"were beginning

>>16311710

So you can lose access to some physical PC games, sure. A lot of games have patchers for them so you could use your physical copy, use that and still play it, but sure, you lose access to some.

On the other hand, you will lose access to ALL of your digital games. All of them. Each and every single one of them. Not only will you need patchers and so on, you'll need to download the whole damn game from somewhere.

There's also the possibility of a digital game getting removed arbitrarily, for licensing reasons like Scott Pilgrim did. That can't happen with physical.

Most physical copies are shit now, and you know why? Because they're borderline digital copies. There's either no disk or most of the game is missing from the disk. It's just a fucking Steam code, nothing more, that's the issue. That's why Steam fucked up physical copies too, that's why Steam is such fucking garbage.

I have plenty of physical copies that aren't going anywhere, that all continue to work despite two decades having passed and will continue to work. Steam games are dead if I don't keep all of them on the hard drive before Steam shuts down.

>>16310024

>Piracy is the only acceptable form of digital distribution. You cannot justify paying for digital distribution. When you pay for digital distribution, even (((GOG))), you are financially rewarding digital distribution, financially rewarding companies charging for something with 0 scarcity and infinite supply, and are financially rewarding all the negatives that come with paid digital distribution.

Get that dragon dildo off your ass.

>>16311750

>On the other hand, you will lose access to ALL of your digital games. All of them

You've been saying this for years and there are still absolutely no signs Valve is going to stop servicing Steam. In fact, that's all they seem to be focused on.

>>1631171

>Nobody here is pretending that you can fully own anything digital

but you can you numbskull. it's just kike companies that won't allow it.

>plenty of people of saying that physical is better which is just as much a lie

You're being disingenuous here. you know when people say physical they refer to the pre-widespread internet times when games installed/ran from the media and you could play them right away. no online stores, no accounts, no downloads, no shoehorned online DRM or services, no immovable games tied to a device or account. You could even host your LAN servers, and everything was already on the disc.

>It was cancer

what we have now is also cancer. 2 wrongs don't make a right. moreover, piracy is still going strong, so the only ones who lose out in the end are the honest paying customers.

>>16311767

>b-but they wouldn't take your games away

holy shit look literally 10 posts above >>16311058 >>16311260

the people who bought Metro Exodus had their steam keys deactivated and were told to make Epic accounts. that shit doesn't happen with physical games.

>there are still absolutely no signs Valve is going to stop servicing Steam

That still doesn't make Steam acceptable. my hardware store doesn't forbid me from selling my cordless drill or require me to connect to the internet to use it, nor do they prevent me from using the rest of my tools if I lend it to someone. Gas yourself.

>>16311767

>In fact, that's all they seem to be focused on.

And because of that, if they go under, it's all gone. Between Stadia and Apple Arcade potentially changing how vidya is going to be monetized, and Epic aggressively pushing to enter and take over the market, Steam is in a risky position. This applies to GoG as well, and any other stores as well. Hell, places like Gamejolt and Itch.io are the worst, because those house thousands of games that aren't available for to pirate, either. Sure, the vast majority are trash, but the vast majority of all games are trash.

>>16311908

missing a 0 >>16311710

>>16311651

You don't get it. Buka distribute the game in Russia since Deepshitter has no offices there and they distribute many other games in Russia. There is a difference between terms "publisher" and "distributor", Epic Store is a digital distributor, for example and DS is a publisher. I hope we're clear here.

And from what I investigated it seems they pulled the plug and replaced Steam CD keys with Epic ones the same day DS kikes announced that this shit would be released exclusively on Epic. However it does seems that Buka did distribute Steam CD keys before that Epic shitshow happened what according to the kikes means that those keys were disabled too since this shit is somehow considered "stolen" in their eyes, the actual official keys they willingly gave to the Buka to sell it in Russia again officially.

I bet this is just one of many examples and there were other stores which had official Steam CD keys for Metro, DS are bullshitting when they say "no official Steam keys were available to purchase separately". So in other words, they hit the switch for every CD key which was "stolen" before this Epic store agreement happened, that includes official Steam CD keys which are also "stolen" according to them.

>>16311649

It's really low effort thread with low effort OP. Not even Soyny or Nintendo is getting so much hate, in fact there are anons who are perfectly fine with supporting them. The truth is, there is not a single company which deserves to be supported, if we speak of distributors or platforms and the days when physical was actually good without any kind of bullshit are gone. Modern physical is a meme unless you can put the disk and fucking play the game with no Internet, account, required updates or any other bullshit like that. But I really don't understand why you'd support modern industry these days anyway, especially American industry.

>>16306682

You honestly don't want disks to come back. I think it was spore that was the first game to have a limited amount of activations before you had to contact EA support or some shit. That tech would have only become more cancer as time went on. Physical disks don't mean shit if the game itself has some online component. Take Darkspore for example I have a useless physical disk because EA literally killed that game.

>>16306731

I like how you don't mention any of the actual cancer companies like Tencent and Activision or Epic. That automatically makes anything you say invalid considering Activision and Tencent both pioneered and made micro transactions what they are today.

>>16312322

>You don't get it

You don't get it. A game was disabled remotely. this shit would have been unthinkable 20-30 years ago. who did it isn't relevant.

>>16312436

>Take Darkspore for example

if it won't run with the disc alone without an internet connection it's just a useless shiny disc containing installation files, not a physical release.

>>16310274

I sorry I don't like steam Mr Valve Drone, the only one thinking in absolutes here is you.

>>16312886

and I don't like chink spyware or steam who knew you could dislike both.

>>16312949

I wouldn't place the blame on the devs I'd put it on the ceo and upper management. Devs work incredibly hard only to get shit on by management. Which is why the cost to make games has risen exponentially. Don't blame the people who make the game blame the people who don't and claim they do.

nolifers professing about how physical media is dead are really mentally damaged people

all these things supposedly being dead are only in gated communities, rest of the world keeps moving forward, it doesnt revolve around fears and phobias you have in your room

boxed copies of things are still on the shelf, companies choosing to rely entirely on the net are undercutting themselves

infact boxed copies of things is trendy in japan, its cool

>>16306731

>1. Valve by far for obvious reasons

>2. CDPR/GOG for popularizing the "support the developer" mentality

>3. Blizzard for WoW

>4 and 5 belong to EA and Bethesda, which one is which is arguable.

>Whole list is backwards

>doesn't mention the worst offenders >>16312453

congratulations, you made the (last month's) mayority opinion /v/ angry, maybe next week when everyone agrees with you you'll find something else someone likes to complain about.

No, the real fucking problem with games is that you all STILL buy games that you know are going to fall short of shit.

You support devs who don't give a damn about you or I, because a marketing associate on /v/ told you "THE GAME COOL AND GOOD YOU WILL LIKE IT."

Instead of just not buying the fucking game, instead of just skipping over it and ignoring it, you fall into the trap of "I'M GUNNA BITCH ABOUT GAME AND GIVE INDUSTRY FREE PUBLICITY".

STOP TALKING ABOUT SHIT GAMES. It was stupid shit like this that made my little pony popular in the first place and keep shitty games like CoD alive.

SKIP OVER SHIT.

STOP BUYING SHIT.

STOP SUPPORTING SHIT, NO MATTER THE PLATFORM.

>>16306731

You make a few decent points, but EA should at a bare minimum be #2 on your list, with #1 reserved for a personal vendetta. I could believe that Valve has done the most damage to the PC gaming industry in particular. However, EA's "acquire and destroy" strategy actively destroys what is good in the industry. Think on whether or not the industry is better off with these studios gone:

>Origin

>Westwood (reminder that RTSes are basically dead at the moment)

>Bullfrog

>Bioware (yes they were on the decline before they were acquired but there was no absolute reason they could not set themselves back on the right track til they were acquired)

>Maxis

>Criterion

The studios which aren't dead are dying because they aren't making shit, and the ones who make bank are making shit games. It's not as spectacular as, say, Valve endorsing paid mods, but EA has by far done the most legwork to actually destroy the industry, brick by brick.

>>16317478

Thats the thing though the average dev makes okay money. Its the CEO and shareholders that make a killing and make the decisions.

>>16306682

Physical runs seem to cost more to produce, compared to digital only releases. Most would probably find it hard to justify the cost.

Sage for my shit grasp on how the games industry works.

>>16321197

Were you able to begin playing immediately or did you need to download a day 1 patch and install new firmware?

>>16321243

this has never been the case or requirement for pretty much any console game in existence. The number of exceptions are in the single digits and they're all shit.

>>16321197

Consoles are also a lot more restrictive which is why physical releases are a thing.

>>16309491

I remember when steam first came out, it was annoying as fuck and we had slow dial up so i could never play the damn game.

what steam did was give game devs a reason not to include drm in every fucking game, you would just need an account and you can move your library to any pc around the world provided you installed and logged into your steam account.

>>16322377

Damn you're fucking retarded.

>>16322377

You aren't buying the data, you are buying a liscense. Even if you buy a physical copy of a game, you still don't technically own the data on the disk. The copyright holder does.

>>16324379

> Even if you buy a physical copy of a game, you still don't technically own the data on the disk.

But that's wrong, you dumb 12-year old nigger. That's pretty much the entire point of the first-sale doctrine.

>>16324426

You dumb nigger its like you don't even understand what you just claimed as a defense. "Most computer software is distributed through the use of licensing agreements. Under this distribution system, the copyright holder remains the "owner" of all distributed copies. For this reason, alleged infringers should not be able to establish that any copies of these works have been the subject of a first sale."

>>16324488

Yes, that's correct. So when you rent a game on Steam, and you're presented with the Steam Subscriber Agreement as your contract instead of a contract of sale, you aren't actually purchasing a copy of the game.

When I walk into a store, or go to Amazon and buy a copy of a game, I am entering into a contract of sale. There is no licensing agreement, and in the event that there is, it's irrelevant because I already own the copy.

>>16324534

Hatred for steam dates back further then the chink botnet.

>>16324534

>if you hate x then you must love y!

>it's impossible to think both steam and tencent store are shit

Gas yourself, newfag.

>>16324520

>There is no licensing agreement

Read the fine print. It will say, "software subject license" or something to that effect.

>/v/ suddenly hates Steam

I remember you faggots defending Steam and having "Steam Avatar threads" every week. I was the only one calling you dipshits out on being steamdrones and your only excuse was "muh convenience!".

Kill yourself /v/

>>16324557

No, it pretty much started this last year when China entered the US market through Epic.

The majority of the /v/ circle jerk was focused on Nintendo/console wars before that.

Pirates just kind of kept to the share thread, and only dropped into threads about new releases to remind everyone to pirate and never buy.

No one really cared about Steam because Steam never did anything noteworthy and still isn't really doing anything noteworthy other than selling games as usual.

>>16324520

Always read the fine print almost every computer game or software that you buy in the store will say "software subject license." Which means that you absolutely don't own the copy.

>>16324595

>Always read the fine print almost every computer game or software that you buy in the store will say "software subject license."

They can write whatever they'd like to (an exceptionally small number of console games even do this, mostly EA or Activision dreck) but it doesn't actually matter.

It was purchased in a contract of sale. Those are the terms. If you were even halfway correct, businesses like Gamestop would actually be illegal to operate.

>>16324379

>you are buying a liscense

licenses grant exemptions to copyright law. you're talking about agreements that grant a license, which are something completely different.

>>16324594

>No, it pretty much started this last year when China entered the US market through Epic.

that is a lie. I can assure you spics and hues dislike digital distribution. the only reason they gobble down steam's balls is because physical retailers are kikes, charging $100 a pop (most people make ~$800/month or less, median wage is ~$500) and only bring the most mainstream games. if digital stores charged the same as retailers they would vanish overnight.

>>16324595

>read the fine print

the fine print and the contract can say whatever the fuck they want. it doesn't mean it will stand in court. further, severability clauses exist for a reason. further, shinkwrap license agreements are illegal in a good amount of countries.

I want to see a company breaking into my house or remotely destroying my media to 'reclaim' their games. the thing is, you do own the copy. they know this, so they tack on superfluous services to circumvent ownership and erode customers' rights.

>>16324658

software has no owner, you moron. creative works are non-rivalrous, and once distributed, non-excludable.

>>16324594

You're blatantly lying, nigger-kun. Steam was heavily despised here for long before epic even existed.

>>16324658

You can own a copy without owning the copyright, you obtuse, disingenuous faggot. Just like you can (and do) with a painting, a book, or a music CD. Furthermore, Gamestop and stores like it have no capacity to sell licenses. They simply aren't set up for it, and people would find it utterly ridiculous if they were able to start.

>>16324594

That's retarded, I could point to such kikery as Steam and Bethesda teaming up for paid Mods causing more people to drop Steam and simply never use it again then Epic showing up. Even before that any reception to threads about Steam sales was lukewarm at best, or ignoring Steam entirely and wondering when a pirated copy will surface or if it has surfaced. If there is anything that has changed it's the perception of GOG, ever since their change in attitude regarding SJWs their reputation has only steadily been getting worse.

>Pirates just kind of kept to the share thread,

>Pirates

The share threads is practically an irrelevant microcosm separated from the entire piracy scene and doesn't even maintain anything obscure you couldn't find anywhere else. It is maintained entirely by a handful of Anons who just use copypasta templates and one guy who sometimes does maintenance on a github branch every couple times a week.

>>16306652

>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.

Hello Sony.

>>16326233

Sony is your top pick for damaging gaming over, Activision, EA or Tencent or any other big publishers that shit on the companies they own?

>>16326242

>>16326233

There are tons of shit to name before you get to name Valve.

Valve created a market monopoly. Other companies actively degraded the quality of games as a whole.

Now that Steam has become the only way for many people to discover new games, they have become the moral gatekeepers of gaming. What they and their leftist SJW circlejerks don't approve, they ban.

>>16308926

>DRM on DVD's

>somehow worse than DRM on digital distribution

1/5 got me to reply. Try cd-roms from early 2000's like original Deus Ex and Ghost Recon where you simply got what you paid for. When running a game without the cd-rom was as simple as deleting "D:" from "cdpath=" in the .ini file.

>muh piracy

but DRM is why we pirate

>>16307562

They bended the knee to the outrage mob, they are dead for me.

>>16324715

>I want to see a company breaking into my house or remotely destroying my media to 'reclaim' their games

If they wanted to take away their disk they would just take you to a court which is inconvenient and wasteful, so they came up with better solution to block your from access to the game using Internet connection, even if you buy the game on disk these days. Expect things to become much worse in the future with shitstation 5, though I sincerely see no reason to care since industry went downhill completely with the exception of Japan anyway. I also find it rather amusing how kikes at Valve implemented worse restrictions even to gifting system, the greed of kikes and their mania for total control know no boundaries.

>>16306652

Steam is good for one thing. Scamming people out of thousand dollar skins.

>>16326759

> their disk

And how do you propose that they should invalidate my contract of sale?

"Your honor, we printed a one-sided 'terms of use' in the back of the manual and we're just assuming that he actually agreed to it, so the game is obviously ours now."

Right. If you're going to advocate AGAINST your own rights as a consumer, you're better off fucking killing yourself to keep your disease from spreading.

its funny how after all this time and so many mistakes and cancelled games people still defend this company

why the fuck should devs hand over 30%, why the fuck should indies do it? and the fuck should you sell on steam when its full of SHOVELWARE?

i love what Valve did for gaming but that was decade ago

>>16307070

Christ quentin comics are so insanely lazy that it's kind of astounding

>>16326784

>stealing is ok if you can get away with this

>>16326784

>And how do you propose that they should invalidate my contract of sale?

I don't care enough to learn every tiny detail about how copyright works in your country, especially if you're from US where even constitution means jack shit. They can easily fuck with you and they do have strong desire for control which is why we are facing this problem now. They get away with many questionable practices which hardly can be considered legal in sane countries, even in EU as a matter of fact and you can do absolutely nothing to hurt them, prove me wrong, you'll get bonus points if you managed to defeat the kikes yourself.

>If you're going to advocate AGAINST your own rights as a consumer, you're better off fucking killing yourself to keep your disease from spreading.

I advocate nothing, I simply stating the fact that you really don't own those games and neither you have rights. Chances are you're treated as foreigner in your own country and can be fired or jailed even for saying the word nigger or doing something stupid or something right.

If we lived in a perfect world you could easily fuck with companies in case they pulled something anti-consumer and digital wouldn't be such a problem, like when kikes at Rockstar removed music from digital versions of GTA games even if you owned it for years prior music license expiration. This shit is extremely anti-consumer and should be illegal yet nobody tried to do anything. But do you know why? The same reason why you should rely only on physical copies which don't require you to connect to the Internet or shit like that, with no other choice being left and that is because it's simply inconvenient for them to take it away or modify it too because it literally means finding million of people with those copies in hands. However if they decided to take it away you'd do absolutely nothing to protect yourself either, unless as you're saying they came to your house, something they would never do because they're not that stupid. Neither would you get protection from the government or anyone else and I bet you know this, at least deep down. If you seriously consider being powerless over kikes is fighting for consumer rights you're pretty much proving my point. Physical is good to have, but I'd rather prefer to be able to punish company for any stupid shit it does, I prefer to have more rights and I'm against them having too much control over what I'm buying. I don't give a shit if it's digital or physical, neither should be controlled by them if I own it and I in fact do want to own it, not just a license they can take away any day, they should not be able to do that.

Do you think if consumers had actual rights those kikes would get away with their practices so easily? Do you seriously think that we would face all those problems? We wouldn't need physical copies in the first place if it was so easy as you're trying to make it sound. You're delusional.

>>16324715

>the fine print and the contract can say whatever the fuck they want. it doesn't mean it will stand in court.

It stands up to this date. Nobody was able to restore their banned Blizzard (for exmaple) acounts objecting fine prints in court.

>>16326881

>I simply stating the fact that you really don't own those games and neither you have rights.

Wrong and wrong. Your entire post goes on to describe people (Steam users are a great example) who willingly made an informed decision to give up their rights.

The problem is people like you. People who give up their rights willingly and then act like everyone else has done the same, that the old way is "just as bad" as if to deny what they've done.

I own my games, yes even in the US where consumer protection is weak, and the continued existence of resale proves it.

>>16326895

>I own my games

What games? Lets recite their license agreements something is telling me you forgot to read them.

>>16326895

>People who give up their rights willingly and then act like everyone else has done the same, that the old way is "just as bad" as if to deny what they've done.

Nice projecting. You already gave up your rights long time ago when allowed this shit to happen, you and many other people like yourself, complaining about this on the Internet means absolutely nothing and does nothing productive.

>even in the US where consumer protection is weak

Now you just proved my point right here again and you pretty much agreeing with me. Again, you'd do absolutely nothing to protect yourself had they bothered to take away physical copy of the disk you bought and nobody would help you, just like those retards who keep supporting anti-consumer companies no matter what they do. They can get away with digital simply because they have more control over it thanks to Internet, period.

But let me ask you this, have you bought anything DRM protected or anything with copy protection? What have you done to protect your consumer rights?

>>16326915

>Lets recite their license agreements

"That'll be $50."

"Here you are."

"Thank you, have a nice day."

This was the agreement when I purchased most of my games, I'm not sure where the part is that I don't own them. I mean I give the people the amount of money they're asking for.

>>16326931

So you didn't read license agreement. Your fail.

>>16326948

>So you didn't read license agreement.

Let's pretend one exists.

Let's even pretend I read it.

I don't agree to it, at all. I have no reason to and no desire to.

This >>16326931 is the contract I made.

>>16326970

>rules of my contract with game owner are that i just made up without asking consent of game owner

>>16326970

>Let's pretend one exists.

Name games you think you own. We gonna ahve reading class.

>>16326981

I just grabbed the first one I spotted on the shelf. It's Wave Race 64. What would you like to read?

>>16326946

>I'm not sure how it was possible for me to prevent it when it's not something that I've supported.

Unless you never ever supported anything anti-consumer you contributed to this problem too. That goes beyond supporting DRM and buying just video games.

>but it's completely wrong

In a country where the kikes don't really give a shit about laws and tend to exploit them to their benefit? Doubt it.

>the same control over me

It still is quite anti-consumer. Pirating copy protected games is better alternative in my book.

>and I don't suffer apologists like yourself who try to make excuses as to why Steam and its ilk are acceptable

You're missing a point and making shitty assumptions for what I'd like to see citation, because in nowhere I said anything about buying shit from Steam or anything like that. I simply stating that you have no rights, that's all. Tone down your insecurity.

>>16326437

"But X game didn't have drm so it didn't exist and wasn't a problem"

"Who cares if there were games from that era that required you to purchase a new copy just to reinstall it. It wasn't on XXX game so it didn't exist"

>but DRM is why we pirate

You're in a FAR better state with DRM existing than without in terms of piracy. WAY better. Especially when it comes to older titles with websites like GOG. This is what I don't get with people saying "Websites like GOG are part of the problem" when most of them pirate GOG's exes anyway and directly benefit from their existence.

>>16326970

By using this software, you agree too [blah blah blah…]

You don't actually have to say you agree to agree.

>>16311750

>A lot of games have patchers for them so you could use your physical copy,

might as well download the rest of the game files from the internet then.

I'm against digitally licensed games, not digitally sold games, which excludes most storefronts.

>>16307137

my only gripe with this post is that you deny that valve created lootboxes. Do the mann co. crates not count or was there an earlier progenitor?

wtf I love giving my data to the Chinese now

>>16327699

The problem is most computer games and software are licensed regardless of if they are physical or digital.

>>16327739

Actually a shitload of chinese MMOs and mobile/facebook games had lootboxes and the like before Valve came out with Mann co. crates in 2010. Either way digital lootboxes are all garbage, but what really spurred them in the west was Magic and other TCGs in the 90s and early 2000s and mobile esq companies like Zynga.

>>16321243

You do know the firmware updates come on the cart these days right? Later editions of games even come with patches

>>16326915

>Lets recite their license agreements something is telling me you forgot to read them

that's the (((copyright lobby)))'s mantra. it holds no weight. but here's some facts.

>1. you CAN'T OWN a creative work. no one can

you can own copies of data. but seeing as data itself is non-excludable and non-rivalrous, you're gonna have a hard time deleting people's copies

>2. copyright only covers 5 things: distribution, reproduction, public display, public performance, derivatives

if you have braincells to read the above you can probably tell you don't need any fucking license or agreement to make use of a work still under copyright

>3. shrinkwrap agreements, especially non-negotiable ones, are not legal in plenty of states/countries

now go read a book and stop reciting the (((MAFIAA)))'s FUD and propaganda you nigger.

>>16327459

>By using this software, you agree to

if you live in a non-niggered country and you can play the game without seeing any agreement, chances are the EULA will be thrown out of court.

>>16306682

The problem is not the form of distribution, but the DRMs. There is no problem in the game being digital if you have the right to download and play offline on any device.

But this in theory facilitates piracy (just see how easy it is to hack the GOG versions of the games). So companies will be against you actually acquiring your game and will try to force the idea of games as services.

>>16328215

Even if there was a really solid DRM free game how many people would actually pay for it after pirating to indicate to said company that their game was successful and that they should keep making quality content.

>>16328282

I think most of those who buy DRM games would continue to buy DRM-free games. But I'm just guessing.

>>16307057

>valve helped linux gaming

Getting real sick of this meme. Valve has done fucking nothing in terms of helping linux, all they've done is fuck everything over for profit and dominance in the linux market.

The ones who are supporting linux commonly are independent of steam, valve pushing steam on linux creates yet another bullshit layer of cancer on linux that can't be removed.

>proton is solution

NO, NO IT FUCKING ISN'T

We were perfectly fucking fine using things like lutris,PoL, and plain wine with winetricks; there was a fucking stream of information that could be token from all these places, which normally origined at winedb and would sprinkle down to other projects like lutris.

All valve has managed to do is break that order, now every fucking skipping retard goes to protondb and none of that information is in any form useful for those running stock wine.

The feedback loop here is that to get newer games running with the information avaible you need to use proton, and then no one is helping wine at that point.

On top of that PROTON IS WINE, WINE IS A WRAP LAYER FOR FUCKING WINDOWS! IT'S NOT LINUX!!!!!!

How many fucking times do people need to explain this shit, wine is not ment to replace native ports.

>>16328296

Its hard to say considering just about every game has DRM nowdays and the Witcher 3 is one of the more notable games without DRM, but how many bought it on GoG vs Steam.

>>16328396

Lets be honest before Valve got scared that Microsoft might force all windows apps to be MS store exclusive and started the whole "We support Linux meme." Linux supported gaming about as much as Mac did.

>>16327459

>By using this software, you agree too [blah blah blah…]

[citation needed]

No, seriously, what are you even pretending to quote? Where is it from? I've got the box and manual here, but there's no such thing written here.

>>16329398

>>impossibly high standards

get your head out of your ass. all they have to do is make games work like they worked 90's: pop disc, optional: install, play. entire game is in the disc. no microtransactions, no accounts, no downloading the rest of the game, no online checks. you can host your own multiplayer server. there's no DLC, only expansions.

if that's too high a standard I'd say they've sunk below ground level.

>>16329664

>hosting servers

What are you some kind of retard? Always host servers on a server box. Especially if they are shooters.

>>16329940

Steam didn't invent lootboxes chinese MMOs and shit have had lootboxes that predate the Mann Co update and Zynga was doing it as well before steam.

>>16308899

Dubs of truth. Physical abandoned pc before pc abandoned physical.

. >>16336491

the last physical pc game I bought at a store was the first biosock in 2007 , even then the full pc section was in the back of the game stop on one side of a stand

if you think about it. you can't sell used pc physical pc games so Game stop had no incentive to hold the games at the store

>>16306682

Because brick and mortar stores decided to stock only a small portion of PC games, dedicating the bulk of their catalogue to console garbage. This naturally made Steam an appealing choice since it actually had more than a small handful of games and you could buy the games you want to play.

>>16306716

Steam is literally made for 13 year olds to handle

you are one dumb motherfucker, anon

>>16328396

> wine is not ment to replace native ports.

nigger you are never getting native ports for linux when 99% of the market with wangblows XP and win10

>using linuxs for gaming

Shit you negros are almost as bad as mac nignogs.