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3d7274 No.16252325
So Cryengine 5 just showed ray tracing that'll work on any hardware or api thus further proving that the whole RTX line up is a total fucking joke.
52176b No.16252331
You have to be a genuine diagnosed retard to buy any modern GPU on launch
3d7274 No.16252334
>>16252331
Well a big chunk are because the niggers pre fucking ordered RTX cards.
b84593 No.16252340
>>16252325
RTX might be a pile of proprietary garbage but you're not BTFOing anything with an on rail tech demo that runs @ 30fps and is done in the worst modern engine by far.
652384 No.16252363
>>16252340
Human eye can only see 24 fps anyway.
09465b No.16252381
>>16252340
You wasted your money, pal.
eba601 No.16252389
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>>16252325
What are Nvidia's future prospects at this time?
They've pissed off Intel, the automotive industry, Nintendo and every single company that has ever partnered with them.
Will they try and deliver a reasonable product that isn't dependent on Twitch streamer+Tom's hardware fellatios or will AMD's 7nm Navi GPUs crash them with no survivors?
Vulkan is making their proprietary botnet approach to Grafics more and more obsolete with every passing day, terrible Lunigs driver practices notwithstanding.
6c7ca7 No.16252392
>>16252389
How'd they piss off Nintendo? The Tegra backdoor? The Switch is doing well otherwise.
b84593 No.16252404
>>16252389
Cornering the deep learning market with their proprietary stuff like they did GPU accelerated workloads with CUDA
Finding some way to make their ARM SoC success not limited to a single console.
c30813 No.16252405
German engineering did it!
I always tell everyone Unreal and Unity are shit compared to CryEngine.
They never listen and just reply "muh better pajeet support".
Now Crytek has done the impossible again. Last time it was SSAO. Now it's raytracing.
0a2bae No.16252415
>>16252334
>pre-ordering GPUs
we need to put down the mustards. This has gotten really sad.
4d5b8f No.16252421
>>16252389
They'll continue making best cards (as in most powerful, not "best" overall) for people who can afford them. There is a reason why doing this kept them at top of the marked.
If AMD wont get their shit together and wont bully vidya companies into utilizing MOAR CORES then they'll keep eating shit.
ec6726 No.16252435
I considered ray tracing a useless gimmick to begin with. Do i win anything?
eba601 No.16252438
>>16252392
I reckon Nintendo isn't too happy about homebrew+emulation efforts being aided by freely available documentation and the Switch hardware being 99.9% identical to existing Tablets, not to mention the unpatchable hardware backdoor requiring board revisitions.
AMD's contributions to 8th gen console hardware never experienced anything like this, and as far as ARM hardware goes Nvidia is far from the only provider Nintendo could've chosen.
Qualcomm, ARM, PowerVR and others may have demanded a bit more cash for R&D'ing a custom SoC set up in return for having a non-retarded security approach along with dedicated proprietary developer toolchains+documentation so as to complicate reverse engineering efforts in the long term.
>>16252421
<They'll continue making best cards (as in most powerful, not "best" overall) for people who can afford them.
That number of people is shrinking with every generational price hike.
b65c60 No.16252444
Not to play devils advocate considering the state of GPUs/CPUs but wasn't it Crytek who frontloaded Crysis 2/3 with intensive, worthless calculations like an entire map under the actual level just to show up Nvidia's stuff as better?
b84593 No.16252453
>>16252444
Yeah the tessellation in Crysis 2 was completely retarded and even had "tessellation balls" under the terrain which ruined performance for both Nvidia and AMD but less so for Nvidia at the time.
c30813 No.16252454
>>16252435
As this technique gets optimized, you'll get excellent graphics, lighting, reflections etc.
This demo proved raytracing at a watchable framerate at 4k possible on a 280€ GPU.
This is the next breakthrough imao. And it might even run well on my current GPU.
3d7274 No.16252456
>>16252435
Yes and the prize is smug reinsurance!
>>16252444
Yes
1d2f6a No.16252459
>>16252435
You win a (you). It was pretty obvious hardware isn't even close to running quality real time ray tracing at acceptable performance to anyone except the Nvidiots who bought into the hype.
The only thing surprising about all of this is how quickly a more open alternative to proprietary Nvidia shitware showed up, it usually takes longer than this.
0a2bae No.16252461
>>16252453
Nvidia did the same thing with ashes of the singularity, when Stardock refused to comply with their demands to cripple the game for all users and not just AMD they moved to get the benchmark removed from publications. Nvidia doesn't give a fuck if their shit runs worse, only if the other guys shit ends up being worse by the slightest.
ec6726 No.16252466
>>16252454
If you don't notice something unless you already know it is there, then that something could just as well not be there.
Maybe in the future, but right here, right now, ray tracing is a useless gimmick.
c30813 No.16252473
>>16252466
This is experimental. We're obviously talking about the future.
There is no game atm running on CryEngine using that.
09465b No.16252523
>>16252466
Better graphics isn't "useless gimmick".
1d2f6a No.16252545
>>16252473
>>16252523
Still falling for this meme. Current generation "ray tracing" is just taking some absolutely horrendous results and adding a ton of effects to make them look acceptable.
Not to mention RTX 2080 Ti with RTX on is slower at 1080p than a GTX 1060 without RTX, and RTX on isn't a jaw dropping change. If a $1200 card is going to be slower than a $219 GTX 1660 for such a small change in graphical quality, it's a bullshit gimmick. If we were talking something like Crysis 1 change of graphics, I'd agree with you. But the only time RTX ever shows any sort of huge change in quality is in a demo specially designed to show off RTX. Most games don't really make a difference and all you get is some slightly better lighting and some blurry as fuck raytraced shadows, because the actual ray traced results before all the effects look horrible.
Sorry, but when someone introduces a graphical improvement, and they have to zoom into a door knocker to highlight the changes, it's a bullshit gimmick.
c1ec5a No.16252552
>>16252545
>Most games don't really make a difference and all you get is some slightly better lighting and some blurry as fuck raytraced shadows, because the actual ray traced results before all the effects look horrible
Nigger those are the raytraced effects. All the demos and games you've seen are hybrids of rasterization and raytracing, with raytracing used for specific things like reflections, shadows, or global illumination.
c30813 No.16252579
>>16252545
>RTX
RTX off, dude.
The demo is running on an AMD card and runs on cards from both manufacturers.
71039e No.16252657
>>16252381
>30 fps
I didn't even buy one, retards buy launch products. I always stay a generation behind. Games won't take full advantage of rtx for a few gens
32f79d No.16252676
Yeah I saw that on a 56 no less.
Volta and turing can do it easy but anything older is shit out of luck
512ec9 No.16252756
>>16252405
Isn't Crytek owned by Turkroaches now?
>>16252438
>That number of people is shrinking with every generational price hike
This.
It's nice to buy a card that will last you for years and years, but the prices are so insane now, there is no way I'd get a current card.
And at the same time, buying one form 3 years ago doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment.
So I'm playing the waiting game, going through my sizable backlog and ignoring any games my PC can't run properly yet.
422952 No.16252850
>>16252438
How can they be pissed about this? It was obvious to everyone the Switch was a reskinned Shield. They had to know what they were buying when they bought it.
Sounds like Nintendo's looking for every excuse for the third party market backing out of supporting their system.
6dce25 No.16253199
>>16252756
Anon, it was founded by them.
c30813 No.16253276
>>16252756
>>16253199
That doesn't make all of the employees turkroaches, merimutt.
And the decisions of the turkroaches resulted in nothing but big mistakes and financial hits in the last few years.
This is the most important German /v/idya tech company, so I hope it survives. Just fucking shoot the turkroaches already
c30813 No.16253283
ALSO: Reminder that Crytek payed employees late and probably still does because of the financial situation.
512ec9 No.16253329
>>16253276
>>16253199
I always thought they were just a German studio that got bought out after a bad game or something.
65910c No.16253361
>>16252850
>Third party backing out
That's strange, The switch has had more 3rd party games than the Wii and WII U thus far.
f4be92 No.16253369
>>16252325
Doesn't seem as accurate as RTX. Look at all the smearing that occurs. Regardless, raytracing will always have an enormous performance hit because it requires sampling from the entire environment therefore you can't de-render things to safe performance. The hardware solution will likely be superior to the software solution, much like Gsync VS Freesync, as when you have purpose-built hardware for a specific task it's likely to perform that task better.
Doesn't really matter anyways. I'm pissing into the wind here. No one cares to understand the tech. In most cases they simply pretend there's no difference between the flawed methods used in the past versus lighting/reflections that are objectively more accurate. Back to your regularly-scheduled shill thread.
0abe2c No.16253390
>>16253369
exactly
and i could see envision future where these voxel etc based techniques that store ray tracing better than pure math on hardware, become the norm instead, so its get more and more mainstream
hardware now seemingly only seems to serve as acceleration not much else, as you can do everything in store (even if not as fast)
Crytek clearly is showing this because they can pull of similar stuff with small compromises without insane hardware requirements on all modern mainstream GPUs
c30813 No.16253391
>>16253369
>much like Gsync VS Freesync
They're both hardware solutions NVidia shill. And incompatibility was only there because NVidia tried to make money off of the exact same technology.
160f08 No.16253399
>>16252340
I guess this retard missed the little detail that RTX cards struggle to hit 30fps with Nvidia's own raytracing
c30813 No.16253407
>>16252340
> that runs @ 30fps
At 4k, the RTX demos were all 1080p you retards.
c30813 No.16253427
>>16253399
He didn't miss anything. It's just pure NVidia shilling at this point. We now have a working software solution and they're panicking.
523a95 No.16253452
>bunch of literal illiterate sub 90 IQ turks can do ray-tracing centillion of times better than the nyidia
160f08 No.16253454
>>16253427
Very reminiscent of the blind fanboys who fell for g-sync as anything other than Nvidia's proprietary tax foisted onto an otherwise open DisplayPort standard
160f08 No.16253455
>>16253407
men_moving_goalposts.jpg
c30813 No.16253468
>>16253455
What did you mean by that? The RTX stuff struggled to hit 30fps at 1080p. Vid in OP shows CryEngine at 30fps in 4k. That's 4x the pixels and a big difference in performance.
f0e73e No.16253475
b84593 No.16253538
>>16253391
Gsync has an additional FPGA regular adaptive sync doesn't.
>>16253399
pic related, beside a tech demo will always run / look better than an actual game so I seriously doubt you'd get the same shit in gameplay until proven otherwise, especially with Cryengine being a massive unworkable pile of shit that only the original devs can tame.
>>16253427
AMD already had a working realtime raytracing that worked on all vendors before, grasping at a shitty demo to pretend like Nvidia isn't making a bitch out of AMD in the GPU department is the equivalent of unironically saying
>godot 3D is here, UE4 BTFO
Any anon could have made the same thread with the same OP message with a video of the GPU accelerated pathtracing quake 2 fork and have it not look like COPE™.
c30813 No.16253547
>>16253538
>untitled-1.png
Which game?
b84593 No.16253552
822eb0 No.16253566
You mean a proprietary nVida GPU gimmick is easily emulatable? I never would have guessed.
c30813 No.16253571
>>16253538
>AMD already had a working realtime raytracing
Yeah that was 2016 and nothing happend. More hot air than anything.
1d2f6a No.16253578
>>16253538
>>16253552
Oh, you mean the game Nvidia optimized?
That's some serious benchmark cherry picking. Even if BF5 is a shit game, enabling RTX in BF5 means you lose more than half your performance, even at 1080p.
>Turn on RTX
>Frame rate drops from 115 to 55 on a $800 card
Wow so this is the power of ray tracing. At least the reflections in the windows are a tiny bit sharper! Graphics are revolutionized!
1d2f6a No.16253583
>>16253571
Difference is Nvidia overcharges for graphics cards so they can blow money on optimizing games like Metro Exodus to use as a game to bait retards into buying their products for a gimmick feature while AMD doesn't have that spare cash.
822eb0 No.16253584
Also, and this is from a game dev angle, lighting emulation is a more efficient and stylistically useful form of lighting for games.
e22058 No.16253598
>>16252363
thats a lie; theres a big witnessable difference between 30 fps and 60 fps
822eb0 No.16253603
>>16252363
If we're talking like, in terms of filmography the eye caps out at around 366fps
afc791 No.16253604
>>16253598
A retarded question, but why don't movies use 60 fps? I usually notice those large overpriced TVs that play some animation or movie at 60 fps and they look really nice.
4cd20d No.16253607
>>16253604
that very reason, 60fps came to be associated with TVs and so retarded consumers thought 60fps films looked "cheap".
512ec9 No.16253615
>>16253598
>the joke
>your head
To explain it, 24fps is the minimum you need so whatever is presented will look like proper motion to the eye, even if it's not very smooth.
822eb0 No.16253621
>>16253604
60 is 2.5 times 24
or 2 times 30
You'd effectively double your workload, which gets especially time consuming when working with 3D for renders.
d8bed7 No.16253623
>>16252363
Human eye can see up to 220 FPS, but it needs to adjust to the framerate.
1d2f6a No.16253636
>>16253604
This is a pretty good write up as to why. Basically, 24fps is enough for people to know it's fake but it's still not obviously fake. Higher frame rates look more realistic and it bothers some people.
https://www.filmindependent.org/blog/hacking-film-24-frames-per-second/
b84593 No.16253665
>>16253571
>More hot air than anything.
It's usually what happens when you don't bribe and strongarm devs into making workable product for your new tech, that or maybve AMD knows that there's no reason to push for RTRT right now since not even the highest end GPUs can handle anything close to good at playable framerates.
RTX only exists because they managed to recycle their meme learning bullshit into some gaymer gimmick shit, there's a reason why DLSS is pushed just as hard, and just like meme learning they're trying to lock the market down with some proprietary API which is not gonna work and probably will fail worse than PhysX.
Worst part is the actual good shit in turing is mesh shaders and nobody gives a fuck about it because AMD doesn't have it so you can't use it in anything you expect to sell.
Speaking of PhysX, I suppose not many of you even remember or know how truly horrid that shit was on performance
>BamHam dipping to 5 FPS on a 1070 because you really need a secondary card just for muh PhysX goy, see we even tell you in the control panel
>Alice: MR not being able to hold steady 60fps on a 1070 despite having came out back when Fermi was the hot shit
>>16253578
>Oh, you mean the game Nvidia optimized?
Any game with RTX is Nvidia optimized.
>BFV
>posts prepatch results
>while accusing other of cherry picking
It's almost like you're being a faggot or something.
>>16253621
You could use frame interpolation and not have your render farms blow up.
822eb0 No.16253666
>>16253665
TVs already do interpolation though
afc791 No.16253667
>>16253636
That trillion frame video was pretty interesting. Thank you.
b84593 No.16253672
>>16253666
>TVs already do interpolation though
Is it actually good now?
I remember it looking worse than early version of SVP on the first few sets I've seen with it.
822eb0 No.16253681
>>16253672
It's as good as you can get with mathematical guessing of data that doesn't exist, it's a little nicer on Shart TVs since they tend to have somewhat better processors built in
512ec9 No.16253687
>>16253665
>back when Fermi was the hot shit
Had a nice giggle, thanks.
>PhysX
I just checked, about 40 games at a glance from 2005 to 2018 use it.
I'm not sure what they were thinking with that, but I do remember that you needed nvidia's drivers to run some games even if you had an AMD card.
9dfbf4 No.16253694
>>16252415
Its not exclusively a platform issue, its a fucking moron issue that plagues everything.
8a2720 No.16253697
>>16253665
I don't remember Alice performing so poorly, maybe I turned some settings down? The main menu was a bit glitchy though.
b84593 No.16253712
>>16253687
>I'm not sure what they were thinking with that
The concept itself isn't bad, but because it was bought by Nvidia it turned into some horrible scheme to get you to buy their shit.
Still, I'm pretty sure most people would agree that something like Alice, Metro or Hatred lose something neat without the physics effects although same can be said of Havok ragdolls
>>16253697
It's the volumetric smoke and ruin goop that make it the worst, the smoke is easy, just empty the pepper grinder in place and run into the cloud, the effect is neat the FPS drop less so.
eba601 No.16254203
>>16252850
I doubt third parties would've been scared away by a mildly modified Adreno SoC.
Either way Nvidia will probably find a way to blame it on Nintendo come the 10th console generation.
>>16252657
>Games won't take full advantage of rtx for a few gens
>implying Nvidia will maintain support for it that long
db1978 No.16254339
>>16252461
>Nvidia doesn't give a fuck if their shit runs worse
because they think retards will run out and buy the newest GPU (they probably do)
remember hairworks in witcher 3 with 64x tesselation and the only options were on/off? meanwhile amd gave you a slider and 4x looked just as good for a fraction of the performance cost.
db1978 No.16254348
>>16253329
>>16253276
pretty sure most people left for amazon and RSI by now
906e8d No.16254706
>>16253665
>Speaking of PhysX
The story of PhysX is a very special kind of rage-inducing tale. When Ageia developed it, they allowed it to run on both CPUs and their dedicated PhysX cards. CPUs were way too slow to run the tech to its fullest potential, but with the coming rise of multi-core, multi-threaded CPUs it would have become much more feasible in the near future. Not only did PhysX allow for an incredible amount of hard body physics calculations to occur, but it also had cloth physics (destructable cloth physics), and fluid physics for things like blood and water.
When nvidia bought the tech, they didn't just shut out AMD GPUs from running it, they also made it so that PhysX ran on an older, slower instruction set so that CPUs would remain slow and inefficient at running PhysX. Not only that, but the individual components of the tech were then drip-fed into the industry with massive delays. They started with the hard body physics, then later released the cloth physics in Mirror's Edge, then later released the fluid physics in Borderlands 2.
Bonus fun fact: the PhysX tech demo turned cancelled game Cellfactor had its other core engine tech bought out by Epic games, and was made into Unreal Engine 3.
419166 No.16254858
>well optimized engines
Fuck off consoletards, if I have a more powerful rig I should take advantage of that by being able to render shit you can't. I bet you fags desperately look for lower prices when buying an expensive item because you can't afford to pay more.
512ec9 No.16254892
>>16254858
You forgot your picture.
d003dd No.16255168
>>16254858
Being wasteful of your money is poor financing no matter your income level.
e04c89 No.16255184
>>16254706
Jews ruining everything
858cfa No.16255218
>there are people on this very board who fell for the ray-tracing meme
>they probably fell for VR although in a couple of years with Knuckle that might actually be cool
>they probably have a 3D TV
>they probably have an HD-DVD player
cf785d No.16258675
>>16255218
VR is fine
It's niche, but everyone who thought otherwise is an idiot, plenty of decent games coming for it that are pretty good mechanically and different from everything out there and plenty of seated experiences and mods for it as well.
All the experimentation feels like early 80s PC/console vidya.
Raytracing is fine, what Nvidia did isn't though, I'm glad they're getting fucked in the ass.
79c7df No.16259621
>>16253604
the only time I believe the "cinematic" meme, I've seen movies in 60fps and I think they look kind of shit, especially the special effects.
But low fps games are an abortion, in movies no one is interacting with anything, not a problem, just watch.
In games you input controls etc.
Low fps when trying to control something on screen is a joke.
4b682b No.16259774
yes, but to be able to use it, you would have to work with CryTek
who wants to try?
5fd756 No.16259825
>>16254706
Is is possible to get PhysX running on AMD graphics cards now that the source code and license are free (through a BSD license)?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/PhysX
b84593 No.16259840
>>16259825
Maybe, but I don't think that include the older version of PhysX
5fd756 No.16259854
>>16259840
The only older release publically available is PhysX 3.4, although there's not many games that support it. Maybe if they're updated, but I doubt it.
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/PhysX-3.4
cf785d No.16259902
>>16259621
Normalfags being more aware of performance and resolutions is why you'll see more games running and looking more decently than before but having completely static worlds with nothing going on CPU wise and godawful physics while graphically looking very similar to the previous generation, especially since console CPUs are mobile dogshit.
Despite that and optimization, input lag and sub 30 framerates are still an issue somehow, even outside games that are pretty CPU bound.
That was also the case with 7th Gen games but they had the excuse of have good visuals and art design and being CPU intensive with plenty of physics fuckery despite running at 480p, and if anything I could play them on a computer without any of that faggotry, and funnily enough plenty of 7th Gen titles look better on my PC than 8th Gen ones.
55606b No.16259911
Whats the most affordable GPU for power right now? I'm looking at either and RX580 or putting a little extra in for a Vega56 and changing its bios to the vega64
bda99e No.16259930
b84593 No.16259932
>>16259911
VEGA 56 under 300 bucks
GTX1660 around 250
RX580 around 200
RX570 under 150
55606b No.16259951
>>16259932
Everything I see about 1660 is pretty trash, not to mention a really lackluster budget Nvidia GPU
c53ca3 No.16259963
I'm planning to get GTX 1050
b84593 No.16259988
>>16259951
It's a faster 1060 and the competitor is worse at the same price point, nothing that terrible about it, it's a decent GPU for 1080p and some 1440p
Hard to justify it if you can find a VEGA 56 at 280 or less though, but if for some reason you absolutely need a sub 250 GPU that's still new it's the better choice vs 580/590, that and if you want to do some emulation because AMD is still meh at some of that.
335486 No.16260004
>>16259910
Bring back stencil shadows please. Sure they aren't realistic, but they aren't reliant on shadow maps and therefore don't have disgusting aliasing that has to be smoothed to shit with post-processing.
>mfw gtx 1070 broke shadows in F.E.A.R.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/980370/geforce-drivers/f-e-a-r-shadows-are-still-broken/post/5129140/
0a2bae No.16260007
>>16260004
>Bring back stencil shadows please
god no, they look hideous everywhere.
>therefore don't have disgusting aliasing that has to be smoothed to shit with post-processing.
imagine being this stuck in 2007
>mfw gtx 1070 broke shadows in F.E.A.R.
30 years of backwards compatibility
b84593 No.16260036
>>16260004
I don't remember having that issue back when I played it in may of last year, and I have a 1070
979195 No.16260072
>>16260004
>Bring back stencil shadows please
Why would anyone do that? They look absolutely awful.
471b4e No.16260084
>>16260004
Stencil shadows wont be a thing in the next X years because the proper way to do them is still covered by patents. And after that it still wont happen because high resolution shadow mapping does a good enough job without any of the stencil shadow downsides.
0a2bae No.16260085
>>16260084
the carmack reverse is irrelevant and plenty of games still use stencil shadows. It's frequently used in 2D indie games even.
ced358 No.16260214
Lol I can't believe nvidia faggots are saying it's fake.
Even the official crytek discord is full of admins sucking rtx dick
cf785d No.16260226
>>16260214
Brand loyalty and corporate cocksucking is a disease.
ced358 No.16260233
>>16260226
Funny thing was that the devs themselves didn't dicksuck but the admin did kek
3d7274 No.16260241
>>16260214
>Sucking this much Nvida cock
ced358 No.16260248
>>16260241
Notice how they said its hardware agnostic yet only demo it on vega 56 at 4k 30fps
Really makes me think
cf785d No.16260261
>>16260233
What devs?
And stop using Discuck you stain.
ced358 No.16260267
>>16260261
Crytek have their own discord
I only use it to shitpost
307f0d No.16260272
>>16259988
Maybe he wants to update his drivers three years from now without crippling his card
706844 No.16260273
>>16260072
They look better then the skyrim pixelated shit you get in almost every game nowadays if the shadows set to anything below ultra.
ced358 No.16260311
>>16260272
This is bullshit
T. Own nvidia and amd card's
Went from ancient 38x.x series drivers to current noticed no drop off in perf
307f0d No.16260345
>>16260311
That's nice sweatie
ced358 No.16260355
>>16260345
Wait is sweetie posting still a meme here? Fuck this place moves slower than I remember
b84593 No.16260750
>>16260272
All this card gimping with new drivers is bullshit, anyone can test it and I did
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a3ufusyhu4jqdpkd3y2n2nlby2qettic&dn=Results%209800GT.zip
Now fuck off.
4e935b No.16260781
>>16252363
Its been 50 years…
2faf9d No.16260792
>>16252415
When the financial crash of 2030 hits people will stop throwing their money away.
>>16252444 (checked)
Yes. Crytek has a bad habit of going to the Jews who run the hardware industry and asking them for tips when it comes to future-proofing their games.
For Crysis 2 and 3 they asked Nvidia what the future capabilities of GPU's will be and Nvidia said ultra dense tessellation.
They also completely botched Crysis 1 where they asked Intel what the future of CPUs would be, and Intel said ultra high frequency CPUs.
Except, 8ghz CPUs never materialized so Crysis 1 is eternally unoptomized. With 2 and 3 you can at least turn the tessellation down with minimal visual impact. With 1 the computational pipeline is basically permanently fucked.
>>16252461
Speaking Stardock, I really like their Sins of a Solar Empire game.
Glad they didn't bend the knee to Nvidia
2faf9d No.16260814
>>16260311
Bullshit.
I updated my driver to the latest and had a 20 frame drop in Total War: Warhammer 2
The driver i had before was from last September.
Nvidia 100% gimps their drivers.
Liars get out.
2faf9d No.16260843
>>16253455
>men_moving_goalposts.jpg
This is an image board.
If you have a god damn image to post then fucking post it you plebbit mongoloid.
6217d2 No.16260882
>>16259825
the cupboard door doesn't close properly, they're supposed to have some weight closing themselves when it's close to shut.
2faf9d No.16260915
>>16260822
All I need is a solid 1440p card from AMD and I'm set. I am beyond done with having this stupid GTX card.
Radeon 7 looks good but my price point would rather it be $500 than $700.
I can certainly see why that card has been sold out constantly though, it's an absolute steal compared to the 2080.
2faf9d No.16260969
>>16260921
What's special about Arcturus?
I'm not familiar with it.
2faf9d No.16260988
>>16260975
Ahh, so it will be a technology leapfrog like zen was? Thats nice.
Goddamn it, buying electronics is like speculating on stocks, you don't know whether to cash in now or wait 1-2 years for an upgrade.
7d408f No.16261011
>>16260915
Yeah 700$ is kinda shitty. I really want the card because it seems to have way less framedrops than whatever Nvidia offers right now, and that is worth more to me than 5% higher fps.
Still not worth 700$ though.
307f0d No.16261018
>>16261011
You're not the target audience so you can forget about it if you don't like the price. It's a prosumer card with 16GB of HBM.
7d408f No.16261046
>>16261018
Yeah i know its either used like pretty much all stuff i buy, or waiting until they release cheaper cards with less memory or until the HMB2 prices decrease and i dont even know if that will ever happen.
Still i want one though as my 970 with its Nvidia nigger 3.5gb set-up is starting to get old.
2faf9d No.16261050
>>16261018
That and the fact that it's still in it's teething faze and still needs more support. 16GB is fucking juicy though.
Hopefully I'll be able to pick up one for 20% off down the line.
f4be92 No.16261843
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Here's another update on raytracing tech.
Nvidia is enabling RTX / DXR features on Pascal GPUs in an April update. Meaning that for GTX 1060 (6GB) and up you can enable RTX features like ray-traced lighting in Metro or ray-traced reflections in BF. It will run even worse without the dedicated processing that RTX video cards have for it, but it will be possible to at least SEE it and for developers to have more reason to use it since the install base for the feature will be greatly extended if it includes 10 series owners, also by providing the ability to see RTX features in action to 10 series owners Nvidia hopes to encourage them to upgrade (to the absurdly-priced 20 series, which seems like a massive long shot imo).
9f1d25 No.16261914
>>16261843
holy shit no one bought their new fucking cards so they had to turn it on in older cards.
0abe2c No.16261949
Battlefield V according to statistics there can run it at 50-60fps in 1440p without RTX
those Compute optimizations for AMD years ago are paying off
90e967 No.16261993
>>16261843
Are they delusional?
Who in their right mind would buy a card that is better at shitty gimicks after seeing exactly how shitty they are ?
DLSS is shitty upscaling and even normalfags can see how blurry it is and are making fun of it.
Memetracing is only removing artifacts from screenspace reflections while only lowing your fps by around 50%. Unlike DLSS it at least does not make the game look like shit. That is unless you want good fps.
Who said "yeah we have like two games right now, one of which is bfv, and their RTX features will surely convince people to buy our shit." Sure, normalfags are closer to pigs than thinking humans when it comes to dew and doritos gaming purchasing decisions, but even they have fucking eyes and a non-unlimited bank account.
cbcfda No.16262172
>>16252363
This but unironically
4032b2 No.16262314
>>16253452
Crytek is just owned by Turks, all the brains in the company are European, mostly German. Not that Crytek has been a technology leader for a while now, although KC:D is the only game on the engine that has remotely pushed it.
3a2e15 No.16262367
Why the hell would anyone buy a graphics card for over $300? Why would anyone buy a computer CHIP for $300?! That's enough money to become idort kang. I just spent over 300 for a GTX 1080 recently and I feel stupid.
09091d No.16262675
LOL NVIDIA ENABLES RTX DXR ON GTX AND PASCAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
a59ba5 No.16262715
>>16253665
>Any game with RTX is Nvidia optimized.
Optimized for what? Loss of performance?
307f0d No.16262816
>>16261993
>Memetracing is only removing artifacts from screenspace reflections
Have some doubt in your life, because that was so smugly wrong it was painful to read
90e967 No.16262824
>>16262816
I know exactly what it does you retard, i described the actual effect it has on the games visuals in the only application that uses it right now.
Your Nvidia tech-demos dont actually have any real life use for end consumers. Its smoke and pretty mirrors.
307f0d No.16262830
>>16262824
No, no. You think you do. There's so much information on it on saner parts of the web that I fail to believe you're anything but a neurotic trainwreck of a man who's been kicked out of anu place that's not starved for users like this place is.
90e967 No.16262842
>>16262830
Your mindless insults just show that you are a paid shill without any actual arguments.
Go back to reddit, since you seem to like it so much there.
307f0d No.16262851
>>16262842
I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU, I'M TRYING TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ACTUALLY SANE PEOPLE, NOT WHAT ARE PARADED AS SUCH BY THE MAINSTREAM, ARE LEAVING YOU BEHIND AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT
09091d No.16262928
https://youtu.be/bfyBtGXU41I
Lol what's the point having of having rtx shit now?
eba601 No.16262931
>all these salty Nvidia shills ITT
b84593 No.16262945
>>16262928
>3.2x slower on Pascal
I dunno anon.
b596f2 No.16262955
>>16252325
Isn't raytracing and raymarching too for that matter literally early 90's meme rendering tech? Why such a big fuss when plenty of sceners already make raytraced demos with fucking refrigerator cirtcuit boards?
Did RTX come up with some shitty excuse on why their cards can support something that can be added at the software level to anything if you code it in assembly min, 16x?
b596f2 No.16262966
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Like fucking seriously. Vid related. Year 2000 demoscene, winXP, 64kiloByte demo. Raytracing. Runs on fucking everything under the sun with or without a videocard.
Don't believe me? Run it yourself, it's literally a 64kb executable.
https://files.scene.org/view/parties/2000/mekkasymposium00/in64/h7-final.zip
Retarded marketting schemers.
b84593 No.16262970
>>16262955
>Isn't raytracing and raymarching too for that matter literally early 90's meme rendering tech?
Literally took a rendering workstation or farm depending on the scale but yeah, the thing is that now it's starting to become viable in realtime through various hacks and raw power.
>make raytraced demos with fucking refrigerator cirtcuit boards?
baked in / 10
Not applicable to actual games, stop trying to push this retarded fucking idea every thread RTRT is mentioned.
You want to show actual RTRT from back then show us Q3RT.
>Did RTX come up with some shitty excuse on why their cards can support something that can be added at the software level to anything if you code it in assembly min, 16x?
The RTX part is literally just really good at doing fast INT4/8 calculation which is used to do AI based de-noising to mask the fact that Nvidia uses a low amount of rays for raytracing, so RTX is pretty much them bruteforcing the basic raytracing solutions with their memelearing tech.
You can do everything on regular hardware with FP32, it's just gonna be ungodly slow and since RTX is already really fucking slow with a low amount of actual raytracing it makes it entirely pointless to have it on older hardware except for PR and pushing sales up
The tech demo in the OP uses another way entirely to make raytracing in realtime based on voxels which has other imitations (more blur) but has a better performance cost / image quality ratio apparently, but it's also stuck on a shit engine for now.
c190c2 No.16262975
>>16252438
>I reckon Nintendo isn't too happy about homebrew+emulation efforts being aided by freely available documentation and the Switch hardware being 99.9% identical to existing Tablets, not to mention the unpatchable hardware backdoor requiring board revisitions.
Then Nintendo needs to stop being a pathetic beta bitch and make its own hardware again. They have outsourced everything except the case and interface boards at this point. If they are angry at nVidia then they are much stupider than I thought.
09091d No.16262986
>>16262945
Nah their fucked first gsync flopped now rtx within months
f27ff2 No.16263024
There's a silver lining here. Think of it this way. If a game uses RTX (which causes a massive performance hit since you have to sample the whole environment without culling objects) then imagine how much the devs HAVE TO optimize games just to implement RTX. To have the game hit 60 fps with RTX they REALLY have to put some semblance of effort into optimization. Unlike before where it seemed like they were barely to optimize trying at all.
TL;DR The struggle for better RTX performance can make the game run significantly better with RTX off as devs desperately grasp for the headroom in the frames per second to enable RTX at all.
307f0d No.16263025
>>16262955
That's raycasting you mong
c190c2 No.16263033
>>16263024
That's not how optimization works. RTX is a subset of a subset of the game engine. You don't make maps load faster by optimizing just for RTX, for example. Your network does not have more throughput.
f9d411 No.16263377
Rt and dxr is basically useless atm thr sample count per pixel/ray is too low at 0.5-3spp max
a59ba5 No.16263405
who needs graphics gimmicks when we dcan't even have good games?
32f79d No.16272588
The absolute state of rtx
ec993c No.16272635
>>16272588
1. Am I supposed to be seeing a difference?
2. What game?
3. Nude mod for her?
307f0d No.16272698
>>16272588
Look at the plants next to the tree on the left. There is a difference.
9d942c No.16272713
>>16272635
>1. Am I supposed to be seeing a difference?
Yes. The question you should be asking is, "Is it worth the nearly 50% FPS hit?"
And the answer to that is no.
35b3cd No.16273173
>>16272698
>>16272713
The effect itself looks like ugly vaseline.
307f0d No.16273440
>>16273173
That's yt compression at work
b85747 No.16273605
>>16272588
The shadows are more realistic, given that shadows blur more the further the shadow caster is from a surface, but this was achievable with traditional shadowing techniques. There is an nvidia developed technique called PCSS that does the exact same thing.
0f9494 No.16273718
>>16262975
Nintendo may have done it as a calculated risk.
Rather than spend gorillions of their hard earned shekels on weird bespoke meme gimmicks running on top of custom hardware they just take an existing platform, shove a few gimmicks on top of it and if it doesn't sell well it's not too big a deal.
dd7d79 No.16274969
>>16273605
Amd yet we barely see that pcss method in new games especially ones with rtx…
Hmmm really makes me think
Also wom raider already had a primitive version of that
160f08 No.16275540
>>16260843
>Todd Howard Reddit reaction image
just don't post anything at all next time k sweety?
b73ae9 No.16275699
>RTX will be enabled on 1060 cards and above
what did they mean by this
32f294 No.16275727
>>16252444
Wasn't it the fault of Nvidia® GameWorks® that sabotages the AMD and old Nvidia cards?
3d7274 No.16275735
e463ac No.16275807
>>16275699
That rtx is a failure and trying to make pascal look bad on the handful of games that have broken shit nvidia dxr implementation
Amd have enough headroom on their cards compute wise that they don't need dedicated hardware to do rtx
Pascal Volta and turing can't they need dedicated hardware as they have no headroom in the pipeline compute wise already run pretty streamlined
What's shitty is that fucking rt cores and ai are like 2/3 of the card and basically useless in games atm
160f08 No.16275933
>>16253468
getting back on topic, are you implying that the RTX series is marketed as primarily non-4k ready? It's my understanding Nvidia wanted these cards to be fully capable at 4k, but their raytracing would have one thing otherwise
f50e81 No.16275999
>>16275807
>Amd have enough headroom on their cards compute wise that they don't need dedicated hardware to do rtx
But that's completely wrong.
The only thing AMD has compute wise is that you get more compute performance and that's generally just FP32 and FP64 mostly because the latter is gimped to shit on modern Nvidia card and afaict has no game related use for now, but that doesn't include INT4/8 with a ratio superior to 1:1 compared to FP16 performance outside of VEGA which is still leagues behind anything Turing (VEGA peaks at 118 TOPS INT6 / 59INT8 on an Instinct MI60 which is the fastest and most advanced AMD compute card whereas a mere 2070 has double that with 238,8 TOPS INT4 and 119,4 TOPS INT8 and the 2060 isn't even that far behind) which is what RTX really uses.
You could argue async compte with proper hardware support plays some role but the TITAN V can't do RTX better than Turing either despite being having proper support for it and being fairly powerful in general.
The demo shown in the OP is probably just less compute intensive in general since it uses a different way to do Raytracing and would very likely run just as well on comparable Nvidia hardware.
e463ac No.16276066
f50e81 No.16276070
>>16275999
>The only thing AMD has compute wise is that you get more compute performance
*for the same price