2f9ddd No.16210323
So i finally got around to playing The Witcher 3. I tried the first 2 and couldnt stand them buy found a copy of 3's goty edition in a bargain bin cheap and gave it a few tries but for some reason this time it finally clicked with me.
I was doing some random throwaway quest to find some defiled old pagan shrines being wrecked by some fedoracore types and as i was repairing them it made me think about gods and luck in games which in turn made me think about stuff like the karma system in Resident Evil 2's remake.
In REmake 2 the karma system acts as a 7-14 state invisible difficulty slider. If you are doing really bad your chances of a exploding headshot increases and if you are doing really well a single hit is more likely to do extra damage for example. Its a way to keep the game consistent with your abilities without resorting to just an arbitrary difficulty. If you suck at first you get more breaks but only enough to give you the time to get better and the difficulty ramps up for you to again get better in turn.
It made me wonder if theres anything like this in rpgs. Like say theres some crappy shrine on the road to some barely remembered god and you accidentally destroy it during a large brawl. You get no messages or system info but now that gods pissed and you are going to have bad luck. Your weapons degrade faster, you trip up now and then and generally feel like the games being a shit to you. Its up to you to put two and two together and find some old priest who knows how to appease this forgotten trash god but if you dont realise you might never resolve this mild curse on your head.
Beyond some rpgs tweaking health and damage as a 'active, scaling difficulty modifier' do any have these forms of hidden systems to a significant degree? or does the genre rely too much on hard numbers on a stat screen and "X WILL REMEMBER THAT YOU FUCKER" blaring warning signs?
7421fe No.16210328
Yes, there's games that give you a bad ending if you're too slow.
c0c2a6 No.16210331
Not an dog but Max Payne also does that , I think that if RPGs do that they wouldn't obfuscate the outcome for the simple reason of being stat heavy and relying on you being able to have information like that but there might be examples somewhere.
c0c2a6 No.16210332
>>16210331
>Not an dog
Meant not an RPG I'll have to stop phoneposting I swear
b9e591 No.16210346
This talk just makes me want more games to have invisible stats and skills, like, killing and disassembling a bunch of spiders gives you insight on how arachnid and arthropod physiology and anatomy work, helping you kill them more efficiently, and disassemble them without damaging the parts. But no, we can't have that kind of shit in adventure and RPG games, because more numbers = bad, right?
The universe is uncaring, and the only time a game should have morality police is if the world is being watched over by supernatural forces, or by a China-level spying government. I always play games as a super-savior, no matter what, just the same.
2f9ddd No.16210347
>>16210332
>This air around me was like the opening act of hell freezin over, knees tense i close me eyes and get the job done, hearing the thud as matter meets pavement. This is a grim exercise but a mandatory one. I look up at my master for affirmation of my status. We all want to be good boys, but deep down we always know we are remembered for the couch ripping times, the bond of trust irrecoverably broken and we know. I am not a good boy at all, but we pretend and as the world around us goes to shit in a new york minute we are allowed to believe it might be okay. Bark bark bork.
9bd61f No.16210369
>>16210346
I know that in NWN2 you get feats based on how many kills you have of some species.
For example there are these jungle goblins in one of the exapansions, i went out of my way to kill the little fuckers even if it's implied you can be diplomatic with them and i gained a feat that makes the goblins fear me I was basically genociding them. it's not quite what the OP wants, but the game it's full of that kind of thing.
190f9f No.16210370
>>16210346
I usually default to this or some version of Robin Hood.
2f9ddd No.16210376
>>16210346
>Roommate is doing some uni coursework while i play the witcher
>Kid had his family killed by monster
>Guy who took him in begs me to take contract to kill said monster
>I'm not going to say no to hunting a big monster so naturally go and spitroast the thing on my sword
>Come back and tell him the jobs done, but keep the money as he took in an orphan and is going to need it since i have like 4000 gold on me and really just wanted to hunt a big monster for the hunts sake
>Friend goes "god why be such a moralcuck? thats free money"
>Mfw altruism and nobility has been twisted to be an uncool and scorn worthy concept in this day and age.
and i consider myself the cynical asshole with a heart of coal so what that says about society i dont know.
05736d No.16210384
>>16210370
That image makes sense in that I don't believe anyone with full faculties in real life consciously chooses to do evil. Or more precisely, whatever they happen to do they never think they're doing evil. There's always their own reasoning why what they're doing is right and good.
And that's why D&D alignments are dumb.
d19298 No.16210404
>>16210370
Like most screencaps, this idiot doesn't know what he's talking about, the idiot who took the picture doesn't know what he's talking about and you, the idiot who reposted this, don't understand what you're talking about. Being Lawful Good does, in fact, mean adhering to both "Law" and "Good" not "Whichever is more fun or convenient" and certainly not "Neither, LOL". A Lawful Good character will not break laws, even if that means they do good, nor will they do un-good to obey laws. That means you can easily subdue them with conflicts of interest in which they will have to choose the least obnoxious way forward, violating one of their two core tenants. This is exactly why people don't play Lawful Good unless they're shitters who don't understand this. The reason this is inherently detestable is because that's a complex issue that's not meant to come up in Gygaxian Dungeons and Dragons (that is where these terms come from). Those are simply meant to be slugfests and/or "lol u die from earworms" and so they paint the world very, very simply.
Furthermore, you're gay.
10262d No.16210410
>>16210376
Truly we're in the darkest of timelines when a bunch of autistic faggots from the darkest corners of the internet have more integrity and morality than most normal folk.
8cfe2a No.16210423
>>16210376
Next time tell him "being a ne'erdowell is for weak willed pussies. Grow some nuts and learn some discipline, you gay lord."
55a90f No.16210424
>>16210370
>lawful good is not adhering to law or good
What an absolute retard.
Every fucking DnD game states the exact opposite and paladins can and will often find themselves in uncomfortable situation because of that.
712623 No.16210428
>>16210410
>8ch
>darkest corners of the internet
I mean, we make redditors and fageras paranoid but we're far from being in the internet's "dark corner"
b9e591 No.16210434
>>16210410
>>16210376
We found years ago that this society is approaching peak Weimar levels, as faith, loyalty, and honesty were being seen as vile perversions, while every vice was being portrayed as a virtue.
>>16210423
On the most shallow end, life is a pain in the ass when you're a dick, because no one really wants to associate with you. Even in video games, the rewards are manifold better for the good player.
>>16210428
A sort of power in the shadows, as it were.
8cfe2a No.16210445
>>16210434
>life is a pain in the ass when you're a dick
The richest people on this earth are the most sinister and cowardly.
000000 No.16210447
>>16210376
Maybe it says more about your kindness, Anon-kun <_^
8cfe2a No.16210449
>>16210428
He doesn't know that we are cryptids.
2f9ddd No.16210450
>>16210434
Rat City wasn't an experiment, it was a warning.
95c9a6 No.16210453
>karma systems at all
Supremely cancerous.
b9e591 No.16210458
>>16210445
Money (in substantial amounts) is the ultimate powerup, that bypasses cause and effect.
>>16210453
A karma system devised by idea politicians and other degenerates, perhaps.
b9e591 No.16210459
>>16210458
Identity politicians. Cripes.
95c9a6 No.16210466
>>16210458
Any karma system. Karma's not a thing and it's gay as fuck bugman shit.
2f9ddd No.16210473
>>16210466
>When you only read the title and think it is literal and not a term for a cheques and balance difficulty scaling system unrelated to real world notions of karma so you double down because you are looking like a retard either way
Wew lad.
000000 No.16210481
>>16210434
Yes, except it was entirely germs fault, as there was estabilished bootlicking culture fully being embraced by philistines and fogies. Natsoc was its manifestation. They needed to break free but they didn't know any better as they lacked imagination and unknowingly did what they did for the same reason why Žižek advocates for voting the worst of the worst.
>>16210376
Yeah, it's sad.
ed76dd No.16210484
0cf903 No.16210489
>>16210376
my bet is in chemistry
Dopamine driven society, social media blah blahh all the immediate reward systems in the world/ depression related to lack of serotonin levels (not just depression, age causes a decline in serotonin too and other factors): leads people to be more dopamine driven and frontal cortex oriented. Basically: shallow, immediate environment focused, selfish behaviours.
expanding on this psychopaths have been theorised to have far greater than normal dopamine circuits
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/pn.45.9.psychnews_45_9_022
> "I'm going to take that sucker for all he's worth." thinking.
not to say your roommate is a psycho, but that he may lack a strong emotionally connected cerebral cortex, and be largely dopamine driven in life, and the idea of passing up an immediate selfish reward confused his reptilian brain (read more about how dopamine steers us on wikipedia)
serotonin is content happiness, dopamine is pleasure.
Without a healthy baseline of serotonin you fucking bet desperate degenerate behaviours emerge as people feel utterly hollow without it.
6be91a No.16210498
>>16210376
>being altruistic to things that dont exist
>not just taking the money so you can play the game better
lol ur dumb
000000 No.16210501
>>16210498
>not role-playing when role-playing
2f9ddd No.16210503
>>16210501
Zoomers dont want roleplaying. They want "watercooler lore" to watch youtube videos about.
a69415 No.16210506
>>16210376
Thing about TW3 is that the moralcuck option is actually the cynical asshole option, because you always get a better reward if choose the altruistic option over the option to take the reward.
I guess your friend doesn't know that in videogames in general, and TW3 the player is always herded into good behaviours to get rewarded. Kinda sucks because it removes agency from the player, and any attempt to make this system less predictable and boring (like by it not always working) just makes the system inconsistent and frustrating instead.
2f9ddd No.16210510
>>16210506
He hate the pig meat and didn't at all think 'this is sketch' which says it all really.
73c75e No.16210538
>>16210506
One of my favorite things about Dragon Age 1 is that if you don't ask for anything nobody gives you anything, even if you were promised it at the quest's outset. Did a positive number on me when I figured that out. Wish more games did that.
639d36 No.16210546
>>16210346
Bugmen morality seeps in everywhere.
>>16210404
>Being Lawful Good does, in fact, mean adhering to both "Law" and "Good"
>>16210424
<lawful good is not adhering to law or good
Both wrong. Lawful Good doesn't need to respect unjust laws and it isn't Trudeau-level hippy bullshit.
a475bb No.16210549
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16210331
incorrect, headshots always kill instead of doing extra damage you must be really bad at aiming and thinking you are not.
d4b3c3 No.16210555
>>16210546
>Doesn't need to respect unjust laws
Except it totally does, as long as the laws are in effect a lawful good character has to obey them. The character can object to said laws and work to change them, but it has to be from within the system or by serving a different power. I.E A nation who finds it illegal to shit on sundays wouldn't apply to a paladin who's at war with said nation. Even better than that is if the laws are passed by the church a paladin in that case has even more constraints because of his religious status. It's why lawful good sucks for actual RP because it forces you into a RP style that you have to work around. God forbid your party has someone who's chaotic RANDUM XD in it.
99f508 No.16210562
>>16210453
>>16210466
>haha actions don't have algebraic consequences
>I'm gonna get away with it forevah!
Literal kikel talk, reconsider your weak, gay """"""life""""""".
639d36 No.16210591
>>16210555
>Except it totally does, as long as the laws are in effect a lawful good character has to obey them. The character can object to said laws and work to change them, but it has to be from within the system or by serving a different power. I.E A nation who finds it illegal to shit on sundays wouldn't apply to a paladin who's at war with said nation.
It is a P&P roleplaying. They aren't going to have alignments with the sole purpose making you act like a retard especially when there are people to interpret the situation.
Bethesdrones are conditioned to think that the game shouldn't lock you out of content for attacking and killing every NPC that the game lets you.
ee47f3 No.16210597
>>16210555
Lawful good is the law.
d4b3c3 No.16210629
>>16210591
Except you chose that alignment, you should play within the bounds it gives. If you want to be a dipshit and have absolutely no constraints play CG, LN, or any of the various other better classes if you want to be a dude with a sword. And you can keep posting that screencap from gary, he also claims multiple times that "chaotic good" isn't just a total cop-out for "do whatever".
55a90f No.16210630
>>16210546
Have you ever played an actual DnD video game?
You should read the alignment descriptions in them.
639d36 No.16210659
>>16210629
>>16210630
>A lawful character follows a set of morals, rules, codes, or laws that defines what behavior is and isn't acceptable. This is not inherently the laws set by government. It can be decreed by a god, organization, or similar powers. Paladins are known for being lawful-aligned due to the tenets their oaths require.
>Lawful good characters follow the rules of society and work toward the better of everyone. Most celestials are lawful good, dedicated to keeping the world's peace.
>Lawful neutral characters act in line with law, tradition, and common morals, but without a particular desire to improve lives or induce misery. Humanity as a whole tends to be lawful neutral, obeying laws and mostly caring for themselves and their friends.
>Lawful evil characters work within the rules they're surrounded by to do what they want. Imp familiars are an example of this, since they must listen to their master's order but are inherently self-focused since they're fiends.
Take note that there are many conflicting definitions to these alignments because there are many people working these and alternate interpretations. However, what you are describing sounds like Lawful Neutral which defeats the point them being separate in that case.
d4b3c3 No.16210671
>>16210659
>describes just a good character
Unlike… exactly what you just fucking described that completely combines every single good character into one. "Dude you're lawful good why are you breaking into the bank" "Lol taxation is theft and unjust"
a69415 No.16210674
>>16210538
That sounds pretty much like real life. I should try playing that again. DAO is one of the very few games I have ever returned to a store.
9f7402 No.16210679
>>16210555
Good takes priority above Law
Most paladins follow their deity's code, not the laws of the land
639d36 No.16210684
>>16210671
>"Dude you're lawful good why are you breaking into the bank" "Lol taxation is theft and unjust"
It isn't based on how you/your character interpret as good. Also, you are just taking other people's money.
0cc176 No.16210685
>>16210506
>>16210538
Gothic does a great job of representing a slew of different personalities when it comes to quest NPCs, so you never quite know what to expect. Hell, 2 starts off with a bandit that tries to lead you to his friends so they can beat you up and take all your shit.
ce2394 No.16210688
>>16210370
A big part of the problem is that most games with a morality system have a vastly underdeveloped "bad" side, so being a prick locks you out of a shitload of potential content. (Assuming the game doesn't outright force you to take the good path anyway, just in a snarkier fashion)
d4b3c3 No.16210689
>>16210684
Except what you described totally is, "dude taxation and usury are unjust laws, if I give it back to the people it was taken from, I'm totally allowed to do it, see I'm still LG"
639d36 No.16210701
>>16210689
> "dude taxation and usury are unjust laws, if I give it back to the people it was taken from, I'm totally allowed to do it, see I'm still LG"
No, that is Chaotic Good. How do you think LN and CG are suppose to work?
d4b3c3 No.16210706
>>16210701
Except dude, that's for the betterment of everyone if usury is removed and despised. I'm totally LG because I'm only breaking an unjust law
d0edc8 No.16210710
No, RPGs are very binary, digital experiences. They don't have room for variance on a micro scale, on flag flipping.
639d36 No.16210713
>>16210706
>Except dude, that's for the betterment of everyone if usury is removed and despised. I'm totally LG because I'm only breaking an unjust law
<a setting with literal gods telling you what they think is right and wrong
<lol morality doesn't exist
Also, you can literally genocide an entire village of Orc and you would still be LG in the context of their world.
2f9ddd No.16210725
>>16210713
>Inb4 the /pol/adin debate about killing orc babies shows up again and ends in another 300 post argument, again.
d4b3c3 No.16210729
>>16210713
Except I'm actually a fighter not a paladin, so I don't have to obey the laws of sky men *tips fedora*
This is why LG has to follow the law dipshit, without following the laws they're just fucking CG
55a90f No.16210733
>>16210725
That sounds pretty interesting, I'd like to see it.
639d36 No.16210750
>>16210729
>to obey the laws of sky men *tips fedora*
<atheists in a world where praying to sky daddy literally gives you super powers
Not all Christians are priest. Also, alignment is not based on your own judgment or how you rationalize it.
e5da64 No.16210761
>>16210750
><atheists in a world where praying to sky daddy literally gives you super powers
They are more antitheist than atheist but they exist in Forgotten Realms and stick around in the Fugue when they die because none of the gods care about them.
baf9fb No.16210764
>>16210572
DISCORD TRANNIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
e5da64 No.16210768
>>16210733
Then look on sup/tg/, I'm sure there's a hundred variations of that argument on there. What you are discussing is something every D&D player has seen dozens of times depending on how long they've been playing.
55a90f No.16210776
>>16210761
They also get forced to become a part of the wall of the faithless, a big part of the story in NWN2's expansion.
>>16210768
I never played the tabletop games, so I wouldn't really know.
639d36 No.16210784
>>16210761
The point is that the gods are the basis of the alignment regardless if you worship them or not. If you don't agree, play in a different alignment or add house rules. It hardly matters in most cases.
d4b3c3 No.16210785
>>16210750
Except it is, you just said so yourself. What even qualifies as an unjust law, because unless you have a doctrine from a god (if paladin/monk), you have to make a judgement if a law is unjust. And if it is you have to be able to say "well it's because of X doctrine from god". If you don't have that you're just fucking playing CG. Which is the exact same shit as just following the law to begin with.
lets just be honest no one aside from religious classes play LG
639d36 No.16210801
>>16210785
>Except it is, you just said so yourself.
It is based on the interpretation of LG in the rules of the game its deity.
>because unless you have a doctrine from a god (if paladin/monk)
Good thing that there is something called a player's manual.
>you have to make a judgement if a law is unjust.
Then don't be a fucking retard.
Tell me how does a LG character exist in an evil empire by your metric?
d4b3c3 No.16210817
>>16210801
They don't, how would an evil empire even raise a LG character when his entire life he's taught that "X is good"
639d36 No.16210829
>>16210817
>Nobody ever disagrees with his own country or defects.
d4b3c3 No.16210836
>>16210829
IF THEY DEFECT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY LAWFUL ARE THEY
e5da64 No.16210840
>>16210836
You don't have to be lawful to a nation to be lawful. Get a hold of yourself.
d4b3c3 No.16210849
>>16210840
Except "a rebel who follows their own code and defects from a nation" would be fucking chaotic good, not lawful good dumbass. In your fucking scenario there's no way to maintain any sense of lawfulness, he can't follow a higher power's laws because he wouldn't have access to learning them.
639d36 No.16210858
>>16210836
>>16210849
>mixing factions with alignment
It isn't based on your country's laws dumbass.
57f32c No.16210868
>>16210572
Eat a bullet discordnigger.
d4b3c3 No.16210869
>>16210858
So tell me then, if a person would have absolutely no way to learn a lawful code from a god because such materials were banned because "evil empire" how exactly would one learn of the powers at be to follow the fucking Lawful part of Lawful good. If he only follows his own code of conduct then he's CG not LG which you seem to have trouble understanding
e5da64 No.16210876
>>16210849
I'm not the other guy. Read IDs.
It would be extremely unlikely for an evil empire to produce a good character but it's not impossible.
>cult of LG god is suppressed for years upon years by evil tyrant
>or cult of any good aligned force exists and one of their members believes the best way to remove the evil tyrant is entirely through lawful means
A true rebel (as opposed to the modern rebel without a cause trope) isn't necessarily chaotic because their ultimate desire is still a lawful government and sense of order. Is everyone who wishes to escape abuse and tyranny chaotic?
d4b3c3 No.16210888
>>16210876
By DnD standards, yes they are. You have to be able to follow a set of "something" be it laws from an organization, government, or god in order to be lawful. You can probably get away with NG if you really hate the chaotic part. If their whole goal is to overthrow a government and establish a new one then they are still CG/NG unless they're in the "we're following the old government's code" or some shit.
639d36 No.16210894
>>16210849
>he can't follow a higher power's laws because he wouldn't have access to learning them.
<You need to be a Christian to be a good person.
<You can't be a vegetarian without holding a religion like Buddhism or Hinduism.
>>16210869
>So tell me then, if a person would have absolutely no way to learn a lawful code from a god because such materials were banned because "evil empire"
Not a requirement for an "evil empire." Also, people read banned books all the time.
>how exactly would one learn of the powers at be to follow the fucking Lawful part of Lawful good. If he only follows his own code of conduct then he's CG not LG which you seem to have trouble understanding
If "his own code of conduct" just so happens to more or less aligned with what the gods deems is LG, he is LG.
>>16210888
>By DnD standards, yes they are. You have to be able to follow a set of "something" be it laws from an organization, government, or god in order to be lawful.
No, just a set of morals defined to be Lawful Good.
d4b3c3 No.16210910
>>16210894
No it isn't at all, if it's your own code it's not lawful good in the slightest. It has to have the backing of something. You can't just fucking say something is lawful good because you want it to be, LG has the most constraints out of any alignment for a reason dipshit.
1dc166 No.16210912
>>16210370
D&D alignments are fucktarded beyond belief.
That's made even worse by moral relativism that 5e authors believe in, and also inventing "unaligned" because apparently being retard with no views or morals out of choice and out of being an animal is different now
>good is altruism, spoonfeeding and cummies for everyone
>evil is eating children alive and murdering women for the fun of it
>neutrality is either schizophrenia and switching sides every 2nd day or doing absolutely nothing
>>16210424
>I believe in (((good)))
>I believe in law
>somehaw bad law creates a huge ethical dillema for my character
Amazing system.
a69415 No.16210918
>>16210685
That sounds good too. Random can be fine, as long as it keeps the player involved and isn't arbitrary. If the player can predict or affect an outcome by paying attention then that's rewarding gameplay.
55a90f No.16210937
>>16210912
I never said it was a good system, you mongoloid.
a69415 No.16210944
>>16210868
Newfag here. Is there a chance that guy could catch a ban for shilling his discord constantly?
55a90f No.16210951
>>16210944
Lurk for 2 years before posting.
639d36 No.16210952
>>16210910
>No it isn't at all, if it's your own code it's not lawful good in the slightest. It has to have the backing of something.
No official source ever said that. In fact, they specifically said that wasn't the case.
d4b3c3 No.16210956
>>16210952
So explain then dipshit, what's the difference between LG/NG and CG if all of them can just make up what code they want to follow, but all are "working towards the good of mankind"
639d36 No.16210963
>>16210956
>what's the difference between LG/NG and CG if all of them can just make up what code they want to follow, but all are "working towards the good of mankind"
The gods.
d4b3c3 No.16210966
>>16210963
So gods aren't a higher power? Dipshit
1dc166 No.16210973
>>16210937
I never accused you personally of saying it's good, retard.
a69415 No.16210980
>>16210951
I've been here for more than 2 years already. But the communities I'm from, unless your account is 20 years old you're a newfag.
639d36 No.16210981
>>16210966
>Gravity didn't exist before Newton
>Animals don't exist until they are discovered.
>The Sun revolved around the Earth until recently.
91726c No.16210984
>>16210912
>somehaw bad law creates a huge ethical dillema for my character
But it doesn't though. The laws of a country have literally nothing to do with the concept of an LG character or following an LG alignment.
Paladins do not fall because they refuse to follow a law that demands they throw babies into a pit with wild dogs, just as they do not fall for refusing to follow a law that demands they cross the street hopping on one leg backwards.
d4b3c3 No.16210988
>>16210981
I'm not seeing what you mean unless you mean you ran out of ways to justify being a fucktarded idiot and saying that all good alignments are the same
639d36 No.16211005
>>16210988
The gods determine what is LG, NG, and CG just like a cat has no say on what its breed is called. Even if you are unaware of the gods, sharing a particular moral code puts you in a certain alignment.
d4b3c3 No.16211012
>>16211005
Are you actually retarded, If you're not specifically following a code, you're not lawful. You're NG at best. Especially because the entire point of the whole "lawful" part is that you're specifically following a fucking code. Most gods even have fucking wiggle room of 1 alignment on either side, and even then gods have their own specific brand of bullshit rules to play around. I really want to know have you ever actually played dungeons and dragons.
639d36 No.16211031
>>16211012
>If you're not specifically following a code, you're not lawful.
I never said that you can be lawful without following a code.
d4b3c3 No.16211035
>>16211031
Except you did, you need to have knowledge of the code to follow it. Especially given LG gods have bullshit like "can't harm X".
8cfe2a No.16211052
>>16210458
So, you're agreeing with me?
639d36 No.16211074
>>16211035
>you need to have knowledge of the code to follow it.
<People need to be told that murder and rape are wrong.
By your standards, a LG atheist knight that is cryogenically frozen and his kingdom becomes evil while he is frozen will become CG.
639d36 No.16211076
>>16211074
While he is frozen.
d4b3c3 No.16211080
>>16211074
Except I already said that wouldn't be the case dumbass. He in that case is following the rules of the "old empire". Also lets take a look at some of the gods that totally don't contradict eachother and make LG a shitshow. You have Tyr the god of blind justice, and… Glittergold the gnomish god of trickery and deceit. The gods are inconsistent as fuck if that's what you're trying to base your "lawful" on
639d36 No.16211093
>>16211080
>Except I already said that wouldn't be the case dumbass.
You are really banking on your inability to read.
>Also lets take a look at some of the gods that totally don't contradict eachother and make LG a shitshow.
Because you are a fucking retard, I'll be more literal. The people who designed D&D decide what is LG, NG, and CG. The gods themselves have alignments. A NG god represents is the basis of NG morality. A CE god represents what is like to be CE.
f44a2e No.16211096
>>16210549
>headshots always kill
d4b3c3 No.16211103
>>16211093
Okay so I can trick people constantly, and then murder people for trickery, and still somehow be LG.
639d36 No.16211112
>>16211103
How about try reading before you post? There are good gods and evil gods.
a78f67 No.16211125
>>16210370
DnD aligment systems are ridiculous bullshit. Either you go with moral objectivism, at which point they're restraining as fuck and lead to a very black/white morality and through it shitty characters, or they go with moral relativism at which point any player can justify literally anything he wants provided he has even a shred of imagination. I'm glad this shit never came into serious focus in any of my games (save for paladinfags, but if you pick paladin, you're literally asking for this horseshit and probably like it) and the DM simply changed my alignment here and there, based on my choices, without this retarded moral compass actually ever influencing anything significant.
518876 No.16211133
Morality is a spook, only cucks, tradfags and zealous christards act like weak willed fags, obsessed with slave mortality.
d4b3c3 No.16211140
>>16211112
Both of those gods are lawful good dumbass
639d36 No.16211146
>>16211125
>Either you go with moral objectivism, at which point they're restraining as fuck and lead to a very black/white morality and through it shitty characters
Is the good boy points really that important to you? The whole point of alignment in D&D is force people to stay in character and avoid meta gaming. It doesn't fucking matter most of the time. Just don't have your previously established to be heroic character start eating babies.
1235ff No.16211147
>>16210944
>newfag here
>discord
>>16210980
>ive been here for more than 2 years
REEEEEEEE
339f38 No.16211148
>>16211133
You're the spook, you midnight black coon.
639d36 No.16211166
>>16211140
Trickery domain is a domain of magic. It isn't like he advocated for killing random people. Besides, you still haven't address where did anyone involved with D&D said that LG is specifically about following laws by a government?
d4b3c3 No.16211170
>>16211166
Learn the lore jackass, Glittergold tricked and pranked people constantly. Tyr murdered tricksters for not being justice enough.
ff1705 No.16211171
>>16210323
>If you are doing really bad your chances of a exploding headshot increases and if you are doing really well
That's called rubberbanding and it isn't a karma system. It's a shit system that punishes good players to bring them down to the level of shit players like you.
518876 No.16211172
>>16211148
>get asshurt
>resort to racism and lowbrow insults
Way to prove my point, again, illogical people follow illogical made up rules.
639d36 No.16211180
>>16211170
Still didn't answer the question. You just keep starting your "arguments" with "That isn't how it works!" without proof.
d4b3c3 No.16211186
>>16211180
Look at any fucking players manual. Even the one you yourself posted fucking earlier.
>A lawful character follows a set of morals, rules, codes, or laws that defines what behavior is and isn't acceptable. This is not inherently the laws set by government. It can be decreed by a god, organization, or similar powers. Paladins are known for being lawful-aligned due to the tenets their oaths require.
now look again
> This is not inherently the laws set by government. It can be decreed by a god, organization, or similar powers.
Nowhere in there does it say "be a dumbass and follow yur own rules man, like dude"
a78f67 No.16211191
>>16211146
>The whole point of alignment in D&D is force people to stay in character
If you need something like that to force you in character then you're just a shit roleplayer. I really do not need this sort of bullshit to play the character I made the way I wanted to play him since the start.
>avoid meta gaming
In practice, I've mostly seen it lead to rulecuckery. If someone can't stop himself from meta gaming, just call him a faggot. It works pretty well.
>Just don't have your previously established to be heroic character start eating babies.
It's clear in such cases, but then you run into plain bullshit. Let me give my own example:
>play lawful neutral wizard
>befriend two ghosts on a dungeon dive because why not
>they're bros so I do all in my power to make their afterlife more fun with shit like allowing them to possess me so that they can feel stuff again and similar fun crap
>half the party outraged about this because muh undead, but not enough to actually take action
>dungeon dive ends with us getting buried under tons of rubble and barely digging ourselves out, but have to leave ghost bros behind because tied to that place
>sad
>reach a town that's run down as fuck, but still inhabited
>everyone refuses to talk to us and flees
>the one bitch we corner just stonewalls us
>finally see some kind of argument
>some bitch is buying fantasy drugs from a crone, but has no money to pay
>crone demands her firstborn
>"whatever, I'll just pay her and get the info I need"
>save her son's life by paying the crone for the drugs
>also inform the junkie bitch she's a shitty mother
>she tells me she feels offended and doesn't want to talk to me anymore and starts closing the door
>"wtf I just saved your fucking kid"
>pissed
>inform her that if she dares close that door without answering my questions, I'll burn her shitty house down
>she closes the door
>I set the door on fire and leave
>they all burn to death because probably too high to escape
>DM tells me I'm now lawful evil :^)
If I was constrained by the moral compass, I wouldn't be able to do those things due to either "lel you're evil, why are you so kind to some ghosts?" or "Lol, just, like, let the bitch shit all over you like that, what are you, evil? XDDD", yet I wasn't out of character at any point. You can't just cathegorise people into neat labels like that.
d4b3c3 No.16211195
>>16211191
Honestly he should've moved you down to TN for that not LE. You didn't exactly abuse any code for your own purpose, but burning down someone's house after they refused to talk to you seems like a tad over-reaction.
518876 No.16211197
>>16211191
>Fantasy drugs
Moralfag friend killed the crone on sight, and torched the crones dream pastry cart kids were still on the cart, and roasted alive
518876 No.16211200
>>16211191
Curse of Strahd
a78f67 No.16211222
>>16211197
>>16211200
yes, no spoilers, please
639d36 No.16211241
>>16211186
>Nowhere in there does it say "be a dumbass and follow yur own rules man, like dude"
And nowhere did it said you have to listen your government to be LG. You don't become CG just because you decided on your own that raping is wrong.
>>16211191
>If you need something like that to force you in character then you're just a shit roleplayer.
I said that it doesn't matter most of the time. Also, I'm pretty sure burning a house over that is going overboard.
d4b3c3 No.16211250
>>16211241
You don't suddenly become LG because you decide that rape is wrong either dipshit.
a94e2f No.16211262
>>16210323
>hates the best witcher game
>hates a smaller version of the exact same game
Are you retarded?
4233f9 No.16211365
>>16210450
ooh, take me on down to shitrat city, where the grass is shitty and the girls are shitty
oooh, won't you please, take me do-o-wn, woah-oh-oh
b89cba No.16211387
Didn't read the shit you typed OP, but if you have the chance to kill any sorcerer or sorceress, take it.
4233f9 No.16211397
>>16211387
Wizards in the Witcher are like jews, always complaining about being persecuted for ne reason, when in fact they're always causing problems with their scheming for power and profit.
339f38 No.16211478
>>16211172
You're the one who started the namecalling when you called morality a nigger.
2b14ed No.16211503
>>16211125
D&D is explicitly morally objective. Good and Evil aren't vague concepts. You can literally collect some and put it in a jar.
2e18dc No.16211606
>>16211478
Howsa bout I suck yer dick
1dc166 No.16211661
>>16211503
Not 5e, it uses jewish morality of "feels good, is good" so death penalty or justice is bad
48618e No.16212133
>>16210323
>confusing dynamic difficulty (being good is bad does not make sense) with an actual karma system
nice retard thinking
battle garrega, gradius, starting from resident evil 4, typing of the dead / house of the dead, god hand have a ranking system that goes up and down based on dying and other variables with respective games, they come from older arcade games to keep the game slightly fresh enough and balanced through certain situation.
2c13b4 No.16212207
>>16211606
you better stop that or I will be FORCED to pin you down and suck your toes.
639d36 No.16212887
>>16211250
>Deciding for yourself that stealing is wrong doesn't make LG.
>Deciding for yourself that murder is wrong doesn't make LG.
>Deciding that you should be able to poop in Sunday despite the no pooping law makes you CG.
By your metric people can have different alignment despite having the same views morality because they are born in different countries or different time eras. You still haven't given proof that anyone involved with D&D explicitly said that following a government is required for LG.
f43bcd No.16213006
>>16210323
It's very annoying when a game does this without telling you that a system like that is in effect from the get-go. Many games let you get away with nearly everything yet punish you for what seems arbitrary at the time.
To use your example, a crappy shrine getting destroyed in a brawl should only have hidden consequences if I'd been warned at some point that certain actions can offend the gods. Otherwise from a player's perspective you're just penalizing me for seemingly no reason.
>>16210346
>that image
>NewVegasBountiesIII.jpg
a78f67 No.16214372
>>16211661
It's actually better that way. I'll rather take moral relativism than "in this setting, being mean to LGBT people or racist is objectively evil and on par with eating babies"
3db796 No.16214410
>>16214372
But sodomy feels good to deranged faggots, there was a city in 5e that's basically san francisco but with more aids and trannies
a78f67 No.16214448
>>16214410
Moral relativism isn't about how shit "feels". Moral relativism says that good and evil are subjective and that there is no arbiter (save perhaps for God) who can objectively say what is good or isn't. It doesn't mean you need to base your definitions on what FEELS good, you can base it on whatever the hell you want. If your character is thoroughly convinced that killing niggers is an act of good, then in a truly morally relativist setting, he should be getting good boy points for killing nigs and evil points for letting them live (as that, by his own definition, is evil). Of course, this isn't entirely compatible with the previously estabilished DnD shit (which ran on moral objectivism), so compromises were made.
Of course, in a truly morally relativist setting, almost everyone would be good aligned, since almost everyone does things he thinks are good, rendering the system mostly pointless.
6a66a8 No.16214754
>>16210549
Max Payne 1 only does it, the difficulty ramps up the longer you survive.
71fe59 No.16214789
>>16210489
Dude its a videogame. Maybe he juat wanted the money.
fff119 No.16214929
>All this alignment system bullshit
When I start a game of DnD that involves the alignment system, I sit down with my players and we decide what it means within that game and how much it matters. If, for example, someone is playing a Cleric and another player is a Paladin, then it matters a fair bit more than if we have a Druid and a sorceror and no divine classes at all. If we're going to the Planes, then it matters a lot more than if we don't.
Generally speaking it goes like this:
>If you're a divine class, the laws of your God are paramount. THe laws of the land are secondary. The code you have set for yourself is tertiary.
>If you're not a divine class, but still Lawful, the above applies still. If you find the laws of the land utterly unconsionable - for example, if you find even consensual, contractual slavery to still be abhorrent - then you will have a discussion at that time about whether it affects you alignment to fight it.
>Good and Evil are determined in the pre-game session with a series of 'absolute commandments' that different gods order differently and 'absolute sins' that evil gods/demons order differently.
>Alignment change is a Big Deal and tends to happen with player and DM agreement. Paladins that fall tend to do so because of a disagreement between their personal code and the God's personal ordering of commandments - the most memorable being how one married paladin handled being cheated on, turning Blackgaurd by murdering his spouse and her paramour. He was eventually recruited into a different faith and regained his paladinhood, which resulted in an odd relationship with his former evil allies.
The alignment system only really matters within DnD and discussions of it should take place within its context. Ignoring that context, and the fact that the game is meant to be played with an almighty arbiter who can change the rules as they see fit, is pointless.
4b08be No.16215734
I don't like this system in Remake 2, playing good and one zombie bite when they reach you from a bullshit angle can take you down from Fine to Danger.