b40537 No.16190570
The idea of an online fallout is a great concept, but it was wasted with another bethesda fuck up called "Fallout 76". What changes would you make to make it good/bearable? And if you think fallout cannot work under the online environment, explain why. What does the failure of that game mean for the future of fallout?
Also, general fallout thread, I guess. I don't have a take on the question, I just want to see that cancelled interplay project in action, but that's not going to happen
a7804d No.16190576
>he idea of an online fallout is a great concept
No it isn't.
9b6f44 No.16190580
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>>16190576
Yes it is, kiddo. RIP in fucking pieces.
300959 No.16190598
a7804d No.16190604
>>16190580
Look, let's ignore the fact it's a shitty idea, this is incorrect on a fundamental level. You can like the idea of an online version of a game, but you can't pretend it's a great concept. There is no creativity at play, you're just making an existing game but online. That's not coming up with a concept, it's just making a spinoff for a different audience. Warcraft was the only game to pull it off, and the whole industry has been suicidally deluded ever since.
1959c2 No.16190609
>>16190570
Fallen Earth did everything FO could have done but it went full P2W and had an outdated UI.
b40537 No.16190610
>>16190604
from what I remember, PV13 was going to be vastly different than the other fallout games, setting aside. Problem with F76 is that it is literally just an online mod for fallout 4, and a poor one at that
e6a015 No.16190614
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>>16190570
Fuck off shill.
e80d4b No.16190627
>>16190576
>t. was sniped by invisible russians after 12 hours of shoveling Brahmin shit
>>16190614
What kind of tricks can she do?
3313fd No.16190644
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>>16190570
I wish Mister Caption was still around so he could give Fallout 76 the proper treatment, he truly was /ourguy/. Least we've got his Fallout 3 and 4 compendiums.
check my captcha bros
3313fd No.16190647
>>16190644
check my captcha from previous post
polite sage for off topic.
a81480 No.16190649
>>16190644
Didn't he get assblasted about people not liking his Nier video? I don't remember the deep lore about Caption
3313fd No.16190660
>>16190649
He did, he made a video after the Nier review he made where he cried, then changed his avatar to a skull, then made a video with just black and deleted his channel. Apparently he didn't an hero but he was close.
0016a3 No.16190664
This exact same OP has been spammed multiple times, just so you guys know.
b40537 No.16190677
>>16190664
I Haven't posted here in a while, and this is the first time I saw a thread like this, others just made fun of whatever recent thing todd did to further cement this game into what it is today
3313fd No.16190771
>>16190698
>everyone is cuckchan
You're autism is out of control again anon, take your pills.
761b0c No.16190790
>>16190570
The boomer of akkad made a video complaining how he expected the game to be good and then listed the things it should've done right
The mad man actually wanted a player economy and not just grinding for caps like you are fucking meant to
b40537 No.16190800
>>16190580
I'm pretty sure one of those photos showed denver aka dog town, a location from van buren. Come to think of it, that game was also going to have online, coop, I think. I think coop would work better than just turning the game into a straight up MMO
>>16190790
>Sargon
Literally who gives a shit
Also, why is he, of all people, making vidya videos?
761b0c No.16190856
>>16190800
>Literally who gives a shit
You, you asked what could've done better, and the boomber did a video about it.
Are you stupid?
<Tell me about X
>Y person made a video about X
<OOH WHO CARES, I HATE Y >:(
b40537 No.16190877
>>16190856
But the only people who care about sargon are either cuckchanners or /cow/, and what would a political lolcow know about videogames, anyways?
Somebody made a good point, fallout online was already done, and done much better. I want to hear input of actual fallout fans on what they would like to see, cause I am currently split on this, should fallout remain a solo only experience, or if multiplayer of some sort can work
53c457 No.16190953
>>16190771
>take your pills.
1bd421 No.16191084
>>16190570
Never played it, but the weird "consent" system they had for pvp was stupid. I don't understand what you're even supposed to in this kind of game if you can't grief and PK.
b40537 No.16191096
>>16191084
f76 was handled in the worst way possible, the only thing you get out of killing players is their junk, which is found everywhere. when you die, the only thing that happens is that you also lose junk, I'm not experienced in MMOs, but there has to be a better way in designing one
761b0c No.16191098
>>16190877
>I want to hear input of actual fallout fans on what they would like to see
There you go, go watch his video
Did you know that people who talk politics can like videogames?
308774 No.16191103
>>16190801
>that badly placed mutt some butthurt ami put into it
761b0c No.16191115
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>>16191098
To make it easier, here is the non-youtube version
We are meant to use invidio.us rather than hooktube, right?
b8315a No.16191117
>>16190580
The vats system wouldn't work for an online fallout without some weird implementation.
3f361e No.16191121
>>16190570
>The idea of an online fallout
has been fulfilled and playable for several years.
The point is, Bethesda is literally unable to make video game,s and they have never made one since the company's foundation.
574120 No.16191139
>>16191103
>paid jewish shill continues to expose himself
b40537 No.16191159
>>16191115
go away, sargoy
d5a32f No.16191164
>>16191115
>We are meant to use invidio.us
Same as youtube, pretty much. Invidious doesn't do half the shit the spergs claim.
Just don't embed, youtube or invidious.
>hooktube
Isn't it kill?
c1f031 No.16191167
>>16191115
>posting Cuck of Akkad
761b0c No.16191187
>>16191167
>>16191159
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You are welcome to not watch
b40537 No.16191195
>>16191187
you're welcome to fuck off back to cuckchan or /cow/, same thing, really
>>16191121
With what I saw, I can only imagine how fun that kind of game would be in 3d, if it was made by competent game devs
b99768 No.16191197
just fuck off with this trash to reddit
761b0c No.16191199
>>16191195
>you're welcome to fuck off back to cuckchan or /cow/, same thing, really
No thank you, the video is about the subject of the thread, and your opinion of the author is of no consequence.
b40537 No.16191203
>>16191199
I'm the OP and I'm telling you to fuck off, learn to read the IDs here
761b0c No.16191211
>>16191203
I know you are the OP, and I still say your opinion don't fucking matter
You have no authority to decide who participates on the discussion regardless of if you created the thread or not, welcome to imageboards, is this your first day?
15f3b7 No.16191248
>>16190570
>What changes would you make to make it good/bearable?
Unironically, making it a Survive 'n' Craft game like Rust would be a massive improvement. They could have a rough single player story that serves as a tutorial and introduction, while persistent online servers would be the real bread and butter of the game. Have it go hard on the RPG mechanics, heavily skill based, characters have limited ability, meaning they've got to specialize to get by, inventory space is limited, settlements take time to build, scavenging and exploring is dangerous, Power Armor and functioning WW3 era supertech is exceedingly rare, vaults are too. The BoS and Enclave aren't around.
Players get the option to pick from many different races and origins. You can be a human wastelander, a ghoul, a tribal, or maybe a mutant. Being a vault dweller would be like the old school Force Sensitive character slots from SWG. It's either something you've gotta earn or something that unlocks on purely random chance.
PvP is always on. None of this shoot-then-shoot-back-to-initiate shit. Getting your ass whooped and then slapped with a slave collar, like Kenshi, is the likely outcome of any misguided attempts to shoot at anyone who crosses your path. In fact, the game should just be like a multiplayer version of Kenshi. In fact, fuck that. Play Kenshi instead. Bethesda and Zenimax are shitty companies who deserve to burn to the ground, and the Fallout IP has been dead for a long long time.
4d6b07 No.16191253
>The idea of an online fallout is a great concept
What? No it fucking isn't.
b40537 No.16191256
>>16191211
>Unironically links a sargon video with a straight face
>Tells somebody else they're new
lol
Point is, someone who takes the idea of something called "Kekistan" seriously doesn't get to have a serious opinion on anything, maybe next you can link a rant on sonic's blue arms by chris chan, when a sonic thread pops up
>>16191248
I dunno, fallout was never about survival or crafting, only F4 made that a thing. I want to roleplay as anyone I want to again, make survival a test of skill and character building, not basing it off on how much water and snacks I got in my backpack. Same with loot, fallout shouldn't be about shoving each and every piece of shit you find on the ground into your backpack, I think we would have to get a proper fallout game first, and then make an online experience based off of it. New vegas is the only game like that which comes to mind, made in the recent years
abb992 No.16191260
>>16190801
>stop calling us NPCs
>REEEEEE
Fuck off, leftycuck.
c1f031 No.16191270
>>16191256
>fallout was never about survival or crafting
Pretty much this.
Fallout was always about rebuilding. The game should focus on rebuilding your vision of civilization from the ashes.
>every piece of shit you find on the ground into your backpack
I actually liked how in FO4 you could take apart most shit down to its base components and then use those to craft more useful stuff. Starting out on a fresh map that doesn't have much of a tech base built up would make old electronics with their vacuum tubes a rather useful commodity, as an example.
761b0c No.16191276
>>16191248
So it's Eco X Ark Survival but with RPG superpowers?
>scavenging and exploring is dangerous, Power Armor and functioning WW3 era supertech is exceedingly rare
Not being able to craft, and only fix the power armor, would increase it's value exponentially. Especially if each 'fix' introduces a small permanent debuff
>Play Kenshi instead
I will when they finally decide to add highlighting to bodies
I will not spend hours attempting to differentiate the brown bodies from the brown ground
>>16191256
>Someone's opinions on X invalidates their opinions on Y
4d6b07 No.16191283
>>16191276
Kenshi is "finished" and will likely never see anything besides bugfixes. Since there is no scripting available to modders it's essentially as good as it's ever going to be.
b40537 No.16191289
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>>16191253
What, you're telling me that a paid mod for an already bad game that just adds a poorly implemented multiplayer mechanic isn't a great concept? But a redditor who made a 2 hour long video telling me how F3 is great just made a 2 and a half hour long video telling me that an online fallout game can be salvaged!
Honestly, I think it can work, but it would have to be something different than a traditional experience, and can't be the focus of it. A coop mode or deathmatch, maybe souls style invasion of another person's world, something that does not take away from the main experience, the idea is just waiting there, for somebody to claim it
>>16191270
Fallout was less aboutsurvival and more about personal stories of your own characters, I feel like. I get what you're saying tho, but rebuilding just feels like a natural progression that has to happen in those games. Otherwise, you end up with a forcefully backwards capital wasteland-like shithole, which should by no means exist 200 years after the fact
761b0c No.16191297
>>16191283
Well, I guess it's better to make a new game from zero than attempting to fix that bug ridden mess
The concept is fucking amazing but the implementation is just too bad to play
15f3b7 No.16191314
>>16191270
>>16191289
Rebuilding and thriving in the wasteland after an apocalyptic event is about survival. FO1 & 2 were about roleplaying, though. If we're talking about a hypothetical online Fallout game that succeeds where FO76 fucked up, then survival is going to need to be an element that actually matters. First gathering resources to rebuild, then using them to establish homes and strongholds while setting up farms, domesticating brahmin, and so on.
Remove survival and now the game requires that you have pre-established cities and settlements to visit where you can get missions that tell you to go out and kill 10 infinitely respawning raiders in the nearby raider spawning zone. Remove most of the NPCs and towns, and now you've got FO76 all over again. No survival elements at all means there's no need to gather as many resources or maintain some meters on your character (a thing that most survive 'n' craft games get wrong anyways) which means the wasteland may as well be smaller and combat would need to be a little more dynamic, meaning more weapons and wacky shit to pick up and play with.. and it's still FO76, though maybe with somewhat better combat, which still wouldn't improve things all that much.
The other way it goes does is that you end up with Elder Scrolls Online with a gray-green coat of paint on things so it's apocalypse-y, and you just run around another bland themepark MMO.
b40537 No.16191327
>>16191314
why wouldn't a game with new vegas tier writing and setting work, tho? I would say factions would have to be the focus of the game. It would also have to give you an option to play offline as well, and allow for killing of NPCs, just offer harsh casualties for it. I think this idea has some potential, and there are people working on a mod like that as we speak, I wanna see it in action
dde675 No.16191336
>>16191084
>if you cant grief
That's what you think.
15f3b7 No.16191357
>>16191327
If you just want another Fallout game like NV, that's a different matter. If you want an online Fallout game, then just trying to recreate NV wouldn't work.
836cc4 No.16191376
So Bethesda is obviously never letting Obsidian touch the fallout IP again does this mean Fallout is pretty much done? Bethesda has proven time and time again to release trash
fad0e0 No.16191389
>>16191115
Fuck the fat titted soy beast, his GamerGate2.0: Dragon Dildo edition was as flacid as his unborn kid. Take your cuckchan shit home nigger.
>>16191314
You hit on the problem though, no one in Fallout actually rebuilds, they just reinvent the wheel in the later games. They do that because any concepts beyond the basic get too complicated for normalfag audiences to handle. If you told me Fallout 4s plot was written in Crayon I could happily believe it to be honest.
Fuck it, at this point I predict the next Fallout will be chock full of hilarious memes and pop culture references as who the fuck doesn't love those.
836cc4 No.16191395
>>16191383
Guys people greentext to quote people on 4chan let's never do that again. Also sage started there so let's never do that and memes? Yeah no cuckchan shit ban
15f3b7 No.16191408
>>16191389
FO1 & 2 had new cities, stable economies, social hierarchy, agriculture, and the beginnings of new civilization thriving in the wasteland. FO3 reduced that to one shitty town with about 5 buildings around a bomb, some people living on an old boat, a cave full of children, and then Enclave and BoS bases.
e80d4b No.16191481
>>16191408
>FO3 reduced that to one shitty town with about 5 buildings around a bomb
And possible alternative locations included
>an actual town in decent shape with no real envoronmental hazards
>a supermarket nobody bothered to loot in 200 years until some wacky lol bandits took over.
ae9fa8 No.16191517
>remove survival and now the game requires that you have pre-established cities and settlements to visit where you can get missions that tell you to go out and kill 10 infinitely respawning raiders in the nearby raider spawning zone
>remove most of the NPCs and towns, and now you've got FO76 all over again
Real people are better than NPCs, this is the most fun I'm having with interaction in a Bethesda game. First day I stepped out of the vault I got showered with guns, ammo, and a fusion cores (complete with a power armor chasis) by this really cool high level German guy I met at one of the beginner towns, I picklocked one of his care packages, got a five cap bounty for it, so he tracked me down and began shooting at me, I called out something about letting me go because I'm a low lever player, he then asked me if I want to get as good as him. He then proceeded to mentor me through the whole game, showing me best places to farm xp, where to find legendaries, where to sell my junk, he even built me a house. It was epic tbh, imagine instead of having to slog through the hobo beginning doing the same routine "fix the pipes in Megaton" bullshit or whatever else you're met with this Frank Horrigan looking nigger with a terminator accent willing to teach you his skills. Met another really cool British guy while I was out scavenging for screws, we played all night looking for scrap, and later on next day I introduced him to the German guy. Now we all play together taking over people's workshops, amassing a shit ton of supplies, trading it all between us. I'm a minmaxed level 64 after a week and some days, mowing down everyone with my explosive AK47 and vampiric MG42.
Other players are the "NPCs", and if you aren't out there interacting with them you're playing this game wrong.
>>16191336
>that's what you think
Look at the fo76 subplebbit it's hilarious, normones getting butthurt because even little shit like killing players for their workshop is "non consensual PvP" (even though it warns you that claiming a place might prompt PvP), saying it ruins the "peace" of a game set in a post apocalyptic world full of mutated creatures. 8ch should start a raider clan and stir the game in a good direction, Bethesda is actually pretty active on that faggoty forum, but if those are the people who are willing to give feedback then it'll never get good.
ae9fa8 No.16191521
ae9fa8 No.16191579
>>16191517
Some highlights
I'm telling you /v/ theres nothing more fun than pelting normalfag subhumans with grenades and taking their stuff rather than grinding for it yourself
3313fd No.16191819
Fuck Fallout 76 and Bethesda for many things, but for mainly fucking the lore big time.
>Brotherhood of steel
>Super Mutants
>Drag- ahem i mean Scorched Bat Queen things.
What else did they fucked up in 76 lorewise? I wish Sawyer, Avellone and those guys could get their hands on the fallout i.p. and be given actual time to develop a game. They only had 18 months with Fallout NV and it's still one of my favourite games of all time. It nailed the Fallout aesthetics in 3D unlike fallout 3, 4 and 76.
94751a No.16191867
Was the cliffhanger story of NV really that the wasteland is about to be taken over by underground alien mutants?
Did this ever get expanded on?
e80d4b No.16191889
>>16191867
Avellone was asshurt about game becoming post-post apocalypse so he invented tunnelers that are super scary, breed in the dark, tear apart deathclaws and are scared of flashes and loud noises, you know the thing Vegas is known for.
3313fd No.16191903
>>16191889
I liked Avellones writing in NV he was responsible for the Legion, for many of the decent characters, and he fleshed out a lot of the stories of the quests and backstories for characters. He'd pen and paper role play with friends the characters to try and get the most out of them, get ideas and share them with us. Can you think of Bethesda shitheads ever doing anything like that?
e80d4b No.16191913
>>16191903
Of course not, I appreciate his work but Lonesome Road was pretty bad thematically with his shitty negroid OC self-insert and dude tunnelers lmao let's have an apocalypse again.
3313fd No.16191933
>>16191913
Yeah it did kind of fall flat, the loot gear from that dlc was nice, the advance riot gear e.t.c. and weapons were cool but I see your point. Personally I liked the Burning man dlc out of the four of them. Then the Big Empty where you get your brain scooped out, dead money after that only because I couldn't travel back to vegas until the story was complete and I suppose lonesome road last of all. Man to think we had 4 story dlcs with new vegas and fallout 4 only gave us 2, Nuka world and far harbour the rest being construction. They really fucked us over. I will say one of the only things bethesda got right was the power armour in fallout 4, how you felt like a walking tank, completely different to your normal wear.
c97ae8 No.16191954
172548 No.16192004
>>16190576
Agreed. This was a terrible idea from the beginning. And OP is an idiot for suggesting otherwise. Making something "online" does not necessarily make it better. It usually just makes things worse, outside of some niche stuff like competitive shooters and RTS.
4d6b07 No.16192591
>>16191933
Except they shat all the fuck over power armor lore.
>T-45d doesn't use MFC
>T-51b power supply lasts 5 minutes instead of two centuries
>T-60 exists
>Enclave power armor in pre-war locations
1c418d No.16192634
>>16191913
Ulysses was so fucking bad. It's as if he wrote Kreia again but forgot it doesn't work in a non SW universe.
66fa66 No.16192641
>Yo courier i seen you deliver packages and shiet
>anyway i got a nuke and im gonna fucking kill everyone
>baddabing baddaboom i dont know what the fuck im doing
72b9bb No.16192653
>>16190570
>The idea of an online fallout is a great concept
>>16190570
>The idea of an online fallout is a great concept
>>16190570
kill yourself
>The idea of an online fallout is a great concept
31e765 No.16192679
>>16191383
>NPC and PC Wojaks are cuckchan
>posts 8chan screencap
a3c28a No.16192701
>>16190570
>The idea of an online fallout is a great concept
No it wasn't,it was shit Todd
and you were late and gay and should've stuck to the chess club
836cc4 No.16192744
>>16192679
Arguing about which meme is "cuckchan" and which isn't is the most retarded shit. The vast majority of memes on this site are brought here from 4chan from people who use both sites. Jokes and memes spread and transfer. That's how imageboards have always worked.
c3aa95 No.16192891
>>16190570
>Online Fallout
>Good idea
b40537 No.16193263
>>16191579
it's cute seeing bethtards experiencing their babby's first mmo like this
bc6c54 No.16193267
>>16192701
you know he was never actually in the chess club right?
cc6e2f No.16193375
>>16190570
>What changes would you make to make it good/bearable?
I would ban ever mentioning F*llt and using "fallout" and "online" in the same post.
cc6e2f No.16193376
>>16193375
Fug, I used to many asterisks and turned it into a spoiler.
F*ll*ut **
a3c28a No.16193493
>>16193267
you're telling me that Todd lied?
e34c45 No.16195267
>>16190570
Literally just NV with coop would have worked.
000000 No.16195656
>>16195267
Or coop with NV.
b40537 No.16201977
>>16195267
that's what I am saying. speaking of which, coop for nv is being worked on as we speak
072506 No.16214423
Add an option to select a no pvp zone or an only pvp zone, or add a customization tool to edit what is allowed in zone/server. High risk zones where you can lose everything in your invo, or lose nothing.
Create an optional testing server separate from the main game. With like comand codes
Less janky workshop and camp crafting.
Vats dosen't seem to have much appeal.
Deathclaws should be harder to kill.
A screenshot key for pc,
dafb51 No.16219744
>>16201977
>coop for nv is being worked on as we speak
Just like how coop for Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind and Stalker were? These mods fail 9/10 times.
b3806b No.16222844
>>16219744
The morrowind one succeeded but only after they did a big engine overhaul.
81309d No.16222872
>>16222844
1/10 times magic happens. Never let the blackpill fags get you down, even if they predict an outcome 9/10 times.
ff7704 No.16227782
>>16195267
Fallout 76 is better.
29f6c1 No.16227878
>>16227782
Get punched liar man, I prefer new vegas as the best 3d fallout game. Even Wasteland 2 is a better Fallout game than anything Bethesda have produced.