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what is the worst continent and why is it the south one

>>16138550

West is pretty dead. No power players here, and I'm in a forgotten area. I only had one, maybe two people try to grief me all month

I can't even figure out where I am.

>>16138583

Are you running Amber client? I meant to include it in the OP; it can show you your coordinates in the world.

>>16138562

isn't west the home planet of those AD fucks? maybe it's dead because they've already exterminated everyone there

I'd play this but damn it must be coded by chimpanzees using a pencil stuck in their anus to poke the keys.

>>16138637

It's even worse than that. It's coded by Swedes.

>>16140627

without sitting in the chair, its not taking into account your stats, this update made it so symbel becomes vastly ineffective if its QL is below your highest stat, isint it great?

holy shit pick axe IS SO FUCKING GOOD

>>16140956

I've never had a huge food stockpile, and my softcap is thr same or higher, fuck

>Trade some skins for a boar spear from one of the big boi factions

>Discover it actualy gives you extremely long reach on the melee attacks

>Proceed to lure bears and moose to the water and stab them from the safety of my boat

>easy 60q+ skins, bear teeth and antlers

>>16141358

I really ought to get some metal. If some shows up on rustroot radar its basically guaranteed ill get some?

>>16142700

the "ore" will be there

there still is a question if it smelts into anything that's not a really hot, useless rock

Can you find limestone as a normal rock?

so, any plans for setting up a base together?

>You can dual wield shields

>And you get appropriate armor bonuses

>Using Oak Stance so my UC actually gives me more block% than with Sheld+MC now

Awesome

>>16143053

Oh fuck, but then I just realized I have basically infinite Q30-35 bat hides and that gilding rounds to the nearest whole number, not down. This means that with Hide Layers (+2 UC) I don't actually need Q40, but Q31 for a +4 bonus per item. So basically I'm going to keep rerolling shit and with boar lining, hopefully end up with a set of +10 UC combat gear by the end of the week

PATCH INCOMING

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=63953

New Implementations

>Added "Kebab Roll", you can now, in a meat grinder, create a kebab roll from mystery meat of your choice, and spitroast the roll. Suggested here.

>Added an experience when seeing whales.

>Added "Oyster", bivalve mollusk.

>Added "Jellyfish", derpy 'lil thang.

>Added Aurochs Skeleton

<the jellyfish spawn in rivers

Key Fixes

>Reworked infected sores. Infected sores are now an overlay applied to a particular wound, rather than a wound in and of itself. Using soap on the infection stops it from growing worse while the "Lathered" buff lasts (longer the better quality soap you have), and using a Camomille Compress on the infection stops the infection permanently. Infected wounds can be treated as normal, but the infection now makes the wound itself grow worse. Hopefully adressing concerns raised here.

>Fixed a bug with Nidbanes attacking outlaws sleeping in beds.

>You now need to have gathered a lifetime total of at least 10k LP, and have the Hearth Magic skill, before you will receive your first (A Whisper on the) Wind quest. You will stop automatically receiving quests if you cut down Wind quest givers that you have quests to, but will still be able to use commune with nature to get quests.

>Made it so that there is a hefty delay on receiving new wind quests if you abandon or fail one.

<good shit overall, all of your infected wounds are gone

Small Fixes

>Fixed a bug by which you would collect all scents in a given spot by collecting one of them, even if you could only see some of them. You now only collect the ones you can see.

>Can now put Dugouts in sheds, and the like. Reported here.

>Should now get discoveries for Aurochs' hides and Uncommon Snapdragon.

>Fixed a small issue with Sap taps.

>Seals now give less meat, and more fat.

>Beeswarms can now fly over water and ridges.

>Should now auto-drink properly when digging clay in the shallows.

>Quality fields of stones dug in the overworld should now be differentiated by stone type.

>Buffed Porcelain doll.

>Reduced the ranges of boar spear and B12 axe a bit.

>Waterstriders are now bait, talked about here.

>Strawberry Cake now satiates berries, rather than fruit.

>Yarrow now heals Antcid burns over a short duration, rather than instantly.

>Added an explanatory tooltip to the Push! action.

>You can now make coins from Rose Gold. Reported here.

>Adjusted boiled egg timer to about a quarter, to better reflect accurate Haven time relative to real life boiling times for eggs. Reported in PM.

>Eagle Owl Eye is no longer a feather. Reported here.

>Rafts should no longer have this problem upon disassembly.

>Fixed a typo in the meteorite ore tooltip.

>>16143301

>the jellyfish spawn in rivers

shit my bad they spawn in oceans, it's the sea oysters that spawned in rivers but that seems to have been fixed

Why is the server fucked

>>16143907

I still need to discover ore myself. Is that the /v/illage?

>>16143926

Nah, I'm playing separate with another friend. He's doing crafting stuff.

>>16143942

Ah, that's cool. I did that with a friend from elsewhere but he only played for like 2 days. I made good with my neighbours in the world though, and ended up making a shitty cave base but specializing in foraging (later tailoring)

Oh hey, can you build a claim then extend it over someone's hearthfire?

>>16144056

Do you know what continent you're at? I wouldn't mind bringing you a metal shovel if it's not a 5 hour journey out of the way for me.

>>16144056

If you're the western continent anon, I've got a vortex access to the top half of it.

>>16144091

>>16144069

I am, but I should be fine without it. I can shuffle projects around and acquire one if I really really need it.

>>16144148

I've literally got nothing to do right now, I'm waiting on satiations because the food system in this game is REALLY GOOOOD.

>>16144148

gimme coordinates

>>16144171

There's a cave at (-156, -4) with a farm outside it, that's mine

>>16144186

This lake's a bit inconveniently placed for that coordinate, but if I can find a way to the ocean I see an easy path to rowboat there. I'll update you when I'm getting close.

>>16144236

I should probably get heading to bed. However, if you wanna drop it off in a box somewhere nearby or whatever, that's cool too. Feel free to take whatever you want that's laying around, but you probably have better shit by now

>>16144292

If you want you can kin gayboyman. I won't take anything but if you don't trust me on your claim that's understandable too. I'll drop the stuff off somewhere that looks safe and nearby otherwise.

>>16144356

You won't get enough metal from that single stockpile, but it'll get you started:

Anvil+Smithy's Hammer are base requirements for almost everything.

Alternatively, a Meatgrinder is 3 Iron and doesn't require an Anvil to make, unlocking a huge core of food options for battle characters: Running Rabbit Sausage (Rabbit+Fox, AGI), Boar Baloney (Boar, STR), Deer Dog (Deer, AGI+2), Bear Burger (Bear, STR+2).

IMO, most useful first thing to make after Anvil is Spectacles, can be made from Copper and the ore I brought should be ~+8PER. Rest of the nuggets go into Symbel.

Pick Axe is the obvious goal, it's about 400% mining action speed increase, extremely strong. Metal Axe is useful for chopping trees faster, but currently Stone Axe is still your better q Stick producer. Metal Saw is only useful for more boards per log, as your Bonesaw will more easily be higher q.

Good luck on the smelts. Don't expect anything from that stockpile, I mostly brought it because I'm waiting another 3 days for coal anyway.

I have a stone axe equipped, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything in combat.

>>16144796

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Combat_moves#Attacks

>>16144799

Well then, what should my Strength and Unarmed be before attacking my first fox?

>>16145065

mashing

>>16145065

This game's hardcore.

ardennes I don't mind the meme sfx alerts but jesus fuck get a better microphone so I don't have to hear the explosion of your Fs every time I see an unknown player

>>16145679

JESUS FUCK THERE'S A GUY

>>16145679

https://my.mixtape.moe/vomttv.res

Rename this file to OhShitItsAGuy.res, open amber-res.jar in 7zip, and use it to replace the file in res/sfx/.

>>16144791

They said I could do anything, so I did everything

>>16144471

Thanks again. Is the perception boost that useful right now? I have about 2500 forage or so.

My main goal is quality, and in fact the q28 ore can make me a way better stone axe. How does recycling work? I need a pair of the same gear and it has a 50:50 chance of either adding a socket or removing them? Trying to get some +11 UC combat gear on each slot

>>16146627

Foraging helps all the way up to 50,000 PER*EXP. 2,500 means you're not even seeing every Starfish, Bay Bolete, Kvann, Glimmermoss, etc and you aren't even seeing the bare minimum for Cave Clay. It might not help immediately, but it's an easy big boost to PER with practically no commitment once you have your Anvil/Hammer setup.

Making a Stone Axe with it isn't a bad idea, but the best stone I've found was regular stone anyway.

Recycling requires the same gear with the same gilding, and it's probably a lot less than 50% (I've had decent luck but my friend has failed many recyclings). It also averages their quality so over time you'll probably lower the bonuses because getting +4 Taproot Lacing every time is kind of difficult.

>>16146627

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Foraging Sorry, forgot to include the link to the chart.

>>16145679

Not me in the alert, it's local memester Jordan Coles. Version 83 allows you to change the alert to whatever you want anyway, if you want me to add alerts to the dropdown just send them to me on discord.

>>16145779

that's even worse

>>16146679

>>16146678

I figured that most of the relevant forageables started to show up at least, so that'd be good enough for now. They're hardcapped by node and then survival are they not? Seems almost like itd be better to raise eg nettle in pots

>>16143396

>Want to claim a 90x60 tile region (or 2x3 max size surveys) for this base

>58,000 LP

Christ. I almost have enough saved up, but that's a lot of progress towards Druid Rite I'd have to use up. On the plus side, it'd make a great permanent settlement until some faction asshole decides to catapult it

>>16147154

At that point you'd probably be better off making an alt to share the cost of making a Village.

>>16147212

What's the benefit of making it a village instead?

>>16147226

Villages are cheaper after a certain point, and unlock a couple useful features and builds. I think you get some small bonuses in your village and whatever.

>>16147248

Okay, so it'd take 30k for the founding, plus 20k for Lawspeaking, and I get a 101x101 area in return? That's already a better yield. Looks like I just plunk it down and pay the cost after 22h?

When Amber says I get say, 2,300 LP/h, is that real time? That is, I'd get about 1k LP/h, or 24k per ingame day, which is enough to sustain a village authority?

>>16147281

When I calculated it a while ago I'm pretty sure it's practically nothing to sustain a village but I haven't looked in a while honestly. Yes, you should easily sustain a village authority with even basic curios.

Alright, almost have the shit I need to found a village. I assume I have to defend the claim from shitters for a day? Should I build a wall and call it that?

>>16147540

Few recommendations to add:

Cattail Heads suck. At least for me, working a full time job, it's too much micromanagement to maintain them along with other things.

Gooseneck Barnacles (found on Skargard, along Ocean) are great for little investment.

As great as Ants are, that's a lot of time wasted on raiding ants that could be spent on better things.

Prisms are mediocre LP/hr but an extremely easy upkeep.

(New) Jellyfish are decent LP/hr but hurt you.

Starfish are good LP/hr and decently common, can probably upkeep much easier than 40 Ant Soldiers a day.

>3/20 or 15% of the ore became bars (this was low level shit I mined to test out the smithing process)

We're gonna make it lads, now I have a source of metal, in addition to what you gave me.

Remind me again how the time scale works in this game? I could've swore the wiki said it was 2.3 game hours per real life hour. A lot of times on the wiki are unclear if its game or real hours, eg tree saplings die after 8 hours. I usually pop trees in my herb table and then go to bed and find them dead when I wake up

>>16148523

One real-life hour is almost equivalent, but bit less than, three (3) in-game hours.

>>16142700

Rustroot shows what is one layer beneath you. To find ore in caves you have to use rustroot on the surface. Also you have to mine your way to the same location, which might be difficult if one of the tiles on your way there caves in

>>16143248

Fat can be used to make soap which heals infected wounds

Also it can be used in place of butter in certain recipes (any which require ‘Solid Fat’)

>>16147540

Olive trees grow the fastest so are probably best for high q wood

>>16148945

I chose kings because it has the most wood and logs. Though high quality is important so teching up my olive trees quickly would be a good idea. Thanks!

This looks pretty neat. how would I go about learning how to play? Would someone from /v/ be willing to take on dumb hands?

>>16143294

Spitroasting Large animals just became more or less obsolete after you gain access to meatgrinder.

Well, I only got 3 copper and 3 iron from that load of ore you brought me. Still, that at least unlocked a shitton of things for me to craft. I do have a vein of Chalcopyrite near my base so I can continue to mine that. I think I'll go for pickaxe+anvil first, and go from there.

>>16150243

With three Iron you could also make that Meatgrinder to jumpstart into good STR+AGI gains. From your stats you posted earlier, even in Famished you should get a stat-up from Running Rabbit Sausage + Frog Legs + Chives, which will almost certainly be AGI and gives around 1000% Energy back. I'm not vouching for this option specifically, as a Pick Axe is really huge, but you need I think 9 Iron to get that Pick Axe (4 for Anvil, 3 for Hammer, 2 for Pick Axe?)

>>16150277

Is there an advantage to better fighting skills? Like, I can take boars with minor cheese, does killing a bear unlock anything, or is it just higher quality? I have a comfortable source of decent hides for now; otherwise, getting the pickaxe sooner means faster ore, which helps with all future mining, otherwise I'm stuck acquiring it slowly for a fighting benefit that isn't strictly needed yet

>>16150287

Red Deer and Bears both unlock the most practical combat foods for basically the rest of the time you'll be playing - AGI+2 and STR+2 respectively. STR will always be relevant for any hermit as it affects Smithing and Jewelcutting, and AGI will mostly be relevant so long as STR is also relevant, as the faster and more easily you kill Bears, the more you can focus on better activities (plus, more AGI negates the penalties of metal armour, for whatever that's worth later on).

Aside from that, there are also the dungeons - Bat Dungeon will make it so that normal bats permanently stop attacking you, plus Large Bats have decent curios. Ant Dungeon gives you faster Anthill raiding speed as well as decent loot. I don't even know how much combat ability you'll want for those but I can't imagine they're easy to fight.

Like I said I don't really vouch one way or the other. For us, with just one vein we've had to wait on Charcoal to be produced twice now, so metal is almost a non-concern. I don't know if my vein was inside the norm, though.

>>16150317

You don't go in the dungones alone, ever, from my experience. They're a LOT easier with a gank, since you can take as many people as you want in.

>>16151469

Where was that posted?

>>16151528

It's in the updates section of Ardennes' client. I checked the forum post and he didn't say anything, so I'm just guessing it's general disagreement with the development progress of the game, because that's certainly how I feel about a lot of mechanics.

Is there an easier way to make strings other than using fucking roots. I am in Hobophase right now.

>>16151760

Cattails.

>>16147226

>>16147248

Villages are expanded by building banners instead of dumping more LP on the claim. They do require Cloth though which requires massive flax fields to mass-produce.

>>16151943

>implying the new wood colours aren't incredible

What foods have the best energy to hunger ratio? Seems like Roasthopper is king, followed by Marrow Roast

>>16151469

Frankly, I'm just tired of their attitudes toward the player base and general unwillingness to make changes that the community wants/needs because it doesn't fit their 15 year old ideology of what a sandbox RPG should be.

>>16154999

Don't like it? Make your own game!

>>16155080

Or, I can just continue to develop a custom client that makes every effort to bastardize their vision for the game with nothing they can do about it.

>>16155153

How many custom clients are open source? I know the main one is, right? Is it still current?

>>16155168

Most clients are open source, the only ones that aren't are private faction clients like AD's/Ainran's/Hedgehug's/DIS's

Currently Amber, Ender, Purus, and mine are open source and available to the public.

>>16155211

To be fair, those clients are normally private because of the distinct advantage they give in either combat or industry production. Faction clients back in legacy were known to have server crashing capabilities for emergencies.

>>16155233

I get why they'd do it but, c'mon. It's a fucking Java game written by two swedes with less than 2,000 players. It's fucking tryhard trying to minmax and "win" the game

>>16155240

Well, I'm sure the developers mostly got into it for the same reason I did - a hobby and a fun way to learn Java. My client started as the result of a few day outage back in January of 18' where a weekly update broke Amber, and I didn't like relying on someone else to maintain the client. It just sorta snowballed from there, adding QOL items that people ask for. I'm pretty opposed to private clients, if you want to force developers to change shitty mechanics, make bots mainstream so they have a real reason to change it. That's how we ended up with default area select mining/farming.

>>16155250

Does the game have a public API that it uses? Like what kind of calls to the server can you do?

>>16155277

Basically anything you can think of except for a few things. The entire game is governed by widget messages and ui messages. Any normal in-game interaction from clicking on something to picking something up simply sends a message to the server with a pre-determined structure telling it what you did, once you learn the structure you can simply recreate those actions with code instead of actual game-play. Easiest way to learn is just to put debug prints in the gameui class which handles nearly every widget message and just review the calls whenever something happens.

>>16154999

Honestly I really love Haven. My friend described it as a grounded EVE Online, which I never played but for a small group it's quite a compelling sandbox MMO. We know we're not doing things efficiently, but the process of learning the game and iterating upon our processes has been a lot of fun. The primary delay in our farm has been just how improperly it was set up several times.

What I'm really hating is all the mechanics that kind of discourage me from playing. I want better stats to fight stronger animals. The efficient solution? …Stop playing the game??? As the character with high STR in my group, I want to mine, but mining sucks away my Energy which in turn hurts my Hunger. Eating more frequently for Energy means I'm eating on Satiations that take several hours to recover, and am not staying in Ravenous. I want to do something somewhat risky (or, in some cases, just something arbitrary that I had no intuitive way of knowing beforehand) and I get punished not just in wounds but also a strict restriction in where I can go (swamps are a no-fucking-go now, which is a shame because they have an important curio at all levels and easy spawning of a good Energy/AGI food) and in some cases crippling my character so much that I actually can't play the game until the wounds wear off.

Want a horse? Be prepared to be able to check back on the game regularly for a small window to attack the horse. Want trees? Well, don't go to sleep or they'll die, but you need to be around for several hours to babysit them! I get that there are a lot of hardcore aspects to this game and that's a huge part of its appeal, but there are a lot of things in the game that are just checking to see how little you can play but how frequently you can log-in (Satiations - ideally you just sit at a table, eat one food, then fuck off for two hours. Why???)

Once we get our fill of Haven we probably won't really come back. This game's not really designed well to be played, but to be managed through bots.

>>16155450

Look at it this way: each mechanic has a failsafe where you can't do it for extended periods of time. So you have to vary your activities and do the ones that take the longest first

>>16155450

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Treeplanter%27s_Pot

Where did you get the "need to be around for several hours to babysit them?"

Otherwise quite solid critique, devs have supposedly been aiming to reduce need for alts but many of these wounds and restrictions can be bypassed so easily by making alt for it, such as with dedicated character that goes to swamp to forage and catch dragonflies but does no activities that could cause wounds that infect.

Taming animals was relatively painless to my group, but we did capture dozens of them to have room for error.

>This game's not really designed well to be played, but to be managed through bots.

I know a guy who is planning to build a 100% bot-run village.

When is farming skill applied? During planting? All my crops seem to hover around the 19-21 range and don't seem to go any higher. I have 20+7 farming skill at the moment.

Finally finished Forager. I gave up on a Kvann quest, got a Pick 2 Bay Bolete quests, and then of all things my final quest was… two points into Exploration. Quarryman is a go, now, and my expectation is it'll probably be a bit easier despite the additional quests I have to complete. I'm thinking my third credo should absolutely be Gemhunter, yes?

>>16156027

>I know a guy who is planning to build a 100% bot-run village.

He's not the first. I mentioned some of the inner workings of the ones I scripted in one of these threads. Remind him to occasionally take breaks from writing those bots and play the game, or he'll get burnt out and lose the motivation to continue. We lost a lot of good coders to that.

>>16157238

Planting. Anyone can harvest, regardless of farming skill.

>>16158787

Hope that's not your first one

Is there any injury for jumping off too steep of a cliff? Don't want to find out the hard way.

>>16161173

I haven't had a problem yet

>>16160671

Get some leeches and let them loose on the bruise, they should reduce 20 of the hard hp damage over a short time investment.

>See someone with a white dot and no name in scrubby clothes run up point related

>Ask if they need anything

>They're gone

I'm pretty sure they logged out. How fucked am I

How much harder are horses to beat up than sheep, for taming purposes? If I can easily tame a sheep, are horses a go or should I wait for a bit more agility?

>>16162231

>login

>serb is shutting down

H-haha

>>16155450

Get good.

There's no need to go into the swamp yourself after getting a cut you autistic fuck, just tell someone else to do it. You prepare one type of food, eat it, trigger a satiation then fuck off to your retard corner because you're too fucking illiterate to prepare more than a single food type (system designed to counter this btw) and you're most likely mining randomly like a sperg instead of using rustroot to find veins that aren't going to shit on your stamina bar.

>>16162303

And people wonder why this game has no new player retention. Simply the nicest community, for sure.

>>16162324

>people wonder why this game has no new player retention

Nobody wonders that you fat fuck, we actually embrace that.

>>16162324

Quality of players is better than quantity though. Look at what happened to 4chan and this site, after all.

He gave you more than enough information about how to correct your stuff

>>16162372

Nah he's just some fag larping as the feelings police.

If new players can't handle mean words on the internet they're not ready for a permadeath mmo that isn't actively permabanning select countries.

>>16162324

Its better to have no player retention than to try and keep dead weights like yourself.(see: Eve Online)

>>16162389

>implying you're in any way relevant

>>16162303

>There's no need to go into the swamp yourself after getting a cut you autistic fuck, just tell someone else to do it.

This is kind of precisely where I feel like the game isn't respecting my time. While there are a couple of benefits in this design overall (it's nice having an MMO not tied down to some bullshit dailies system, and as a result of the large time-gates I don't feel like I'm falling significantly behind as a result of not playing enough vs. just not knowing what I'm doing) there are a few things that just aren't fun, and often times aren't getting changed fast enough.

Me and my two friends all work full-time jobs, with one of them also going to school. Our schedules don't line up frequently outside of days off where all of us are playing together for extended periods. In some cases, this means we can make a request towards another person's specialization and not actually see the result of it until a few days later (e.g., having our healthiest go to a swamp). When something comes up where we require something from a swamp, the general preferred solution is to either a) wait a few days, or b) make an alt to do it. None of us really like the idea of making alts, and all three of us think it was stupid enough that we had to make hard labour alts just to fix up our claimed land.

Look, I get that there are very clearly ways around Infected Wounds. You rarely actually need to go into a swamp for anything that can't just wait a few days. Worst case scenario, need a bunch of leeches, which is a non-issue once you have a cupboard full of them anyway. My complaint about this issue in particular is that it's a heavy earmark of the design philosophy in general where I'm not just getting punished for a lack of foreknowledge, but am actively being pushed out of the game for a temporary time. Another example of this is >>16160671 where I figured the design would be kind enough to not have immediately accessible cave walls not be cave-in tiles, and was quickly proven incorrect and had my play session before work cut short.

It's not about "getting good," in the intuitive sense of the phrase, but rather about "obtaining the prerequisite knowledge of how to navigate the arbitrary minefield of the game, knowledge of which is often unintuitive or in the worst case actively hidden from new players". The intuitive part here is key - I love the real risk of losing my character and weeks of work. I don't love that it could happen because of something I had no way of preparing for short of taking a veteran's brain and downloading all the knowledge they have accrued.

>You prepare one type of food

Actually, my favourite food combination currently is Boar Baloney + Frog Legs/Nutjerky + Chives/Mushrooms depending on if I want AGI or STR. These three are an FEP level up for me even if I'm in Hungry status, assuming I'm not Satiated. We also make use of Grub Pie, Pumpkin Pie, various fishes, etc.. and so far the only stat we haven't pinned down a good set of foods for is Psyche, in part because Cavebulbs are still pretty rare for us. On my lunch break, I ate a Boar Botillo (45% Sat at 20% chance) and hit the lottery, and five hours later I'm logging in to find that I'm still not unsatiated. Eat shit, this is an unfun sub-RNG statgain system with timegating.

>illiterate

k

>and you're most likely mining randomly like a sperg

>>16143907

I found this with rustroot, thanks for the assumption. I know you're enjoying your elitist git gud wank, but I actually read through the mining post from the last thread and learned a lot about it. The only random mining I (was) doing since was trying to find Feldspar for my Credo, but I've since learned.

>>16162372

>He gave you more than enough information about how to correct your stuff

That wasn't me responding. I'm not whinging because I'm not learning. I think my group is performing admirably largely thanks to what I've learned from you guys here, despite how shitty the wiki and game is. I'm whinging because of how horrendously unfun and unintuitive a lot of mechanics are. I get it, it's all to stop me from just doing one thing repetitively, but the extremely important issue I'm seeing is that it doesn't actually stop me from doing anything if I were willing to just make a bunch of alts.

Like, there was a change to Infected Wounds that is an improvement, but still I wonder what the actual fucking purpose of it is aside from just screwing over a character for some realtime hours (and, thus, making an even more compelling argument for alts). I wonder what the actual fucking purpose of satiations taking several realtime hours to recover when you're already punished in overeating by the hunger system, are already keeping your energy between 8000% and 10000% and having many ways to dump that energy, AND are REWARDED for eating more than one thing repeatedly thru variety. Satiations are just double-dipping on this and turning the RNG statgain system (FEPs themselves are already RNG, and many useful, easily obtained meats that don't require significant investment are weighted with shitty/unwanted stats for specialized characters) into an RNG "can I continue eating?" system on top of it.

Basically, I took the bait because that guy's an autistic faggot. I'm sorry that I'm a new player and don't know everything unintuitive about this game, and I'm sorry that apparently it upsets him that a new player points out how dumb some systems are. Dare I mention that the client/server is shit? It's certainly not any fun being only able to walk in one straight line through the endless sea of trees. Or maybe I'll be told that's a system that is meant to make me continue to stare at the game instead of alt-tabbing while engaging in extremely long travels xd

>find q46 fox bones

>accidentally turn them into marrow

Fuck

>>16161727

dig from just behind the crest of the cliff at the top, pull enough dirt out from around it and the cliff will reduce in size

>>16163465

Oh okay, I can dig from the top? I thought I had to be on the bottom

>Somehow got Quick Barrage from something

>Quickly builds IP

>Scales off weapon damage

>Uses red openings

Holy fuck this is fantastic. Even at level 1, I'm killing bats in about half the time with a 30q stone axe. After I build up a bunch of IP, I just switch to UC knock teeth out attack and it's tied up nicely. I can't wait to farm higher and more levels of weapon attacks

>>16167811

The Stone Axe you craft is (qStone+qStick)/2. Trees and boulders in the wild are hard capped at 10, so you won't make a higher Stone Axe from those.

There's two tricks here at play: First of all, Stone that you DIG up (i.e. from Mountain terrain ground) and Stone that you MINE out (from cave walls) instead have variable qualities hardcapped by Masonry, and in the case of Mining, SOFTcapped by your Tool. Second of all, when you take a Block of Wood and Split it, the resulting sticks is modified based on the quality of your Stone Axe.. So if you have a q30 Stone Axe, you will take q10 Blocks of Wood and make q17 Sticks.

So here's your play: Go around in the world and dig up Mountain tiles until you get higher q Stone. You'll need to raise your Masonry above 13 to really reap the benefits - at least 20, but I've found q43 Stone myself so the higher the better. You then make an Axe, Split a Block, make a new Axe, Split a Block, etc.. until the Sticks stop being higher quality.

By the way, when you try to Mine, not only is your tool Softcapping the quality of your ore and stone, it's also a multiplier on Str to even Mine in the first place. This is the real autism of Mining.

>>16167847

>>16167811

The axe was donated by an anon. I previously had a q22 axe, but had access to the resources to create a q30 myself.

But yeah, basically you use little tricks to quality spiral up and then upgrade all your shit.

>>16167847

thanks for the info im at a 14q axe now, bottle necked by my 17 strength for the stone. so its boar shooting and kitting until my fish drys and i can fest up my numbers.

>>16167811

I hope you get a palisade up before you start working with metal anon.

>>16167976

Basically, the number one thing I've learned about playing this game, that you have decent control over even as an uninformed player, is asking the question: "How can I use my resources to make something higher quality than it currently is?" In cases like mining, the difference between 2-3q is enormous in terms of energy drain. When you're smelting the ore you mined, how do you get the most out of it? Increase the quality of your smelter as much as possible, and then also the highest quality fuel you can manage, which means the highest quality tar kiln with the highest quality kiln fuel (which do you have control over q between blocks and boards?). Most of the time it's just trying to raise the softcap as much as possible, but when you're softcapping something, even a few extra points of quality makes a big difference - and with the sheer scope of the game, it's hard to really detail every tiny little bit without being overwhelming and mostly irrelevant to new players.

By the way, your Stone Axe also softcaps hides and meat when you start killing higher wildlife. It's very important to spiral it up, even after you get a Pick Axe.

So currently I'm considering my gildings. I really don't want to keep working with Nettle gear because gathering it is a pain, but we're still a while away from mass manufacturing Hemp/Linen Clothes. I wouldn't be surprised if my friend reaches Tailor by that time anyway. I think I have a decent idea for my gildings for the time being, as the miner of the group: Plumb-bob + Leather Patch. I should be getting around +6 Masonry per Plumb-bob, and it's a rather cheap at 2 Nuggets each, making the bottleneck on 2 Gild Clothes actually finding the Nettle for it. Exploration Patch boosts my Exploration even further, plus giving me a sizeable boost - and being a Survival Gild base, I have a slightly improved chance at opening a 3rd Gild, where I can slam a Mole's Pawbone or a Taproot Lacing for the dream set that will last me one hell of a long time.

>>16168191

Do you know what continent you're on?

>>16168860

From my first quest, I have a gilding stone with +18 melee on it. Still waiting to use it

>>16170191

Sounds like it's worth staking your own claim next to it and expand it as close as possible to the other claim.

I remember trying this out years ago when it was still 2D. Is there like some big village you guys live in or are all of you in your own villages?

I'm on the tutorial and it's telling me to eat food to heal but no matter how much I eat it isn't activating. Do I have to hurt myself first?

>>16172691

Food gives energy, energy above 8000% starts to heal HP. Please read wiki.

>>16172691

pro tip that's not a tutorial

>>16168860

the bottom continent

>>16174134

If I find a vortex to that continent I'll stop by with gifts.

>>16174134

side note have you seen Flint on that continent?

>>16175376

i think so, wile using rustroot.

Any of you faggots in the far east continent?. I almost near the edge of the map.

>>16176623

My group is.

>just find a random boat in the middle of a shallow river area

I'm a newfag to this game so I've been following the guide the wiki recommends, and holy shit this boat makes it really easy to escape the ants. Hopefully the owner doesn't mind.

>>16176872

If it's a dugout canoe, it's completely trivial to make one. If it's a rowboat, maybe they'll be mad

>>16178014

Well I think it's just a dugout canoe, I haven't seen anyone else so far, just a lot of signs and graves in russian. I'm going to guess any russian player will probably kill me on sight for not speaking it.

Got a Quarryman quest to find limonite. How rare is it? Just spent about forty minutes prospecting around and only found chalcopyrite and one patch of the tin ore.

So how does sleeping work, exactly? Can people kill/rob me in my sleep?

>>16178339

If you log out, you're safe. If you sleep, your character is defenseless in bed, yes. That's a thing. Sleeping will heal you faster, of course

>>16178345

That's kinda weird but alright. Guess it kinda makes sense, so only sleep if you set up a protected claim?

>>16178231

Limonite refers to http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Iron_Ochre in case you were confused. I've heard that this world ores generate in a way that means certain area will only have one type of ore, so you may need to look further away from places that have some other ore.

>>16178339

Sleeping when you're not Outlawed is perfectly safe.

>>16178339

only if you are outlaw status, otherwise someone can bash your bed and you will otherwise be fine.

>>16179189

Wounded animal has left it as it bleeds damage, it's supposed to help track fleeing animals.

>>16179237

weird. i thought thats what it looked like but i also found it in my personal cave.

>>16179275

Bats and other cave creatures bleed as well I guess.

>>16179189

Umm. You can run over frogs, toads and rats while on horseback.

>>16179353

That does produce blood-splatter-effect but it doesn't linger or show in minimap.

>>16179377

Might have been someone who took wound damage from a wild animal or something in that area, and you're seeing a scent?

Damnit why is the server down, fucking migrations REEE

>>16178678

Yeah, I knew that, and it actually specifies Iron Ochre for the quest but it should show limonite as the ore when I prospect it, from what I understand.

Basically my question is it worth looking for it if I haven't already found it, or should I just roll the dice on Abandon? I can safely abandon this and still keep the chip speed & mine strength perk so it shouldn't impact me much unless I get a CAVE LEVEL 5 quest

>it’s an “incompetent swedes try their best to fuck up the server migration” episode

>>16180606

Iron Ochre should show up as that when prospecting, but it's called "limonite" in game files, meaning if you Ctrl+Shift on top of Iron Ochre pavement of Shift over dropped piece of Iron Ochre, it will say "limonite." Note that these are custom client features.

>>16180901

Gotcha. I'd be able to recognize it either way - like I said, all I've found so far is chalcopyrite and the one tin ore. I'll keep looking, and I guess with the third tier of Quarryman I don't have a pressing need to immediately finish the credo, though the quality boost would be great. I'm mostly wanting to get to Gem Hunter soon to make better use of the Amethysts I'm finding next to my base.

>>16180979

I feel like theres a lot of wasted space there for the paths

>>16180979

>Farmer

>Plate

>Knuckles

>Animals in pavement

>2 rows with all drying racks, one is missing another

eww

Can someone give me a quick rundown on what all of the continents are like?

>>16183476

-Northwest is full of LARPers. Might be the safest until other trollish/minmax/shitter factions begin to attack the larpers

-South will contain one of the larger factions ("Hedgehugs"), who are building a massive community trade hub (which is a relatively peaceful and reliable way to take part in the game's economy)

-West also contains a large faction (AD), not really sure what they're up to besides the beginning of skirmishes with South and Middle

-not sure if/what faction settled the middle continent, seems like this is more of a free-for-all (ie dangerous) for the time being

-east continent seems to be less populous, or at least home to a less aggressive population. Might well be the safest spot for a hermit.

-The smaller islands in between continents are currently not very settled, although I'm sure even a smaller group could fully claim one as their own as you can't mine under oceans and knarr travel is irritating.

In general the most safety can be found near larger factions (the northern larpers specifically are well known to be noob-friendly) unless they're feeling bored. If you live near one, get to know them and build at least a mildly amicable relationship.

Middle continent will likely be the worst place to live especially as intercontinental travel becomes more common. I'd say settle the northeast or west continent if you want to stay safe, or the south/east if you want a more interesting experience w.r.t. large-scale interactions

>>16183608

West has been very safe for me so far. Aside from day-one vandalism and troll claim placement, I've felt very safe.

>>16183608

New players always spawn on the middle continent, right?

>>16184387

God no, it's all over the place

>>16184397

Oh, well fuck. That makes finding where I am on the map difficult.

>>16183608

Well after checking it looks like I'm in the southern continent. How long would it take to get to the northern continent by boat?

>>16184408

Just use Amber client or something and you can get your map coords

>>16184497

when i was told to check this my coords where unknown, making me AY-every confudeld.

>>16184574

Here's the known world - http://odditown.com/haven/map/ - if you're on a blank area, there's a good chance you might be in an unmappe dpart

>>16184488

you would need a knarr to make it across the sea, add the hearth secret serialautist and we can chat, because we are southern boys too and you could make a great pilgrimage to us.

>>16155250

Was there an actual happening I missed with one of the clients? There's that warning post that I'm not sure if that's just covering their butts because Java and all.

I downloaded the source for Amber. Is the client written in Java or JS? I have to compile it right, what's the least cancerous Java IDE?

>>16186104

> I have to compile it right, what's the least cancerous Java IDE?

You don't need an IDE to compile it, you just need a jdk. It looks like it's ant-based, so you can build it by setting up your jdk, making sure ant is installed (it comes with most jdk packages, but you might have to download it and install it), making sure your path and env variables are set up, and then just running `ant`.

If you can't do any of that on your own, you should probably just rely on somebody else to hook you up.

I don't know anything about Haven and Hearth, I'm just a professional programmer with Java experience. Looks like I can build the code here ( https://github.com/romovs/amber ) without any issue, and then launching the built hafen.jar runs fine.

Why do you want to build it, by the way? Are the releases in the release tab not good enough for you, or are you looking to do your own modifications?

Personally, I use Vim with YouCompleteMe, which uses headless Eclipse for completions and other IDE features. If you want a really good user-friendly IDE, I've heard damn good things about IntelliJ IDEA. The big 3 contenders tend to be IntelliJ IDEA, Eclipse, and NetBeans. Eclipse used to be king, but they've been lagging pretty hard, and I've always found it bloated and slow.

Feel free to ask if you need more help or details. Again, I don't know shit about H&H, but programming is my bread and butter. Java can be a bit of a pain to set up and figure out how to get running. If you don't have any command line experience, you might best actually just getting a good IDE and trying to import the project to build it, otherwise you'll have to resort to making sure you have a proper JDK and setting up your environment correctly, which can be daunting if you don't have any programming experience (or even if you do, but don't have Java experience).

>there will never be H&H legacy (from before the gay curios update) private server

Feels fucking terrible, man. Curios ruined the game.

>>16186214

>are you looking to do your own modifications?

I feel like the drawing could be sped up. I have a little experience with gamedev and thought it'd be fun to tinker with for my own reasons

Is the server fucking lagging?

>server shut down.

fix ya shit niggers

>>16187633

At least you didn't get nerve damage from it.

>>16187648

I wasn't complaining about the adder bite, just all the wounds I can't really heal up right now. I have 250 hp, down to like 70 shp, but I'm okay

Making a new hearth fire automatically makes it the one I'll teleport back to when I use the teleport command, right?

>>16188068

Yes, that's right

>>16186627

You just gained LP doing things

You could call it grinding but at least it meant that you actually gained LP playing the fucking game instead of putting something in your study screen and logging out until it finishes

>>16188366

Sounds like how XP works now. I mean, how did Intelligence affect things now? I like the idea of curiosities

>>16188398

I don't know how it works now tbh, I haven't played since 2013. All I know is that once curiosities came out it drastically changed how you play the game. Before, you just played the game and got LP from building things and harvesting crops and killing animals, you know, like every other game out there. After curiosities update, nothing gave LP except curiosities, so essentially everything you did outside of figuring out how to make new curiosities to give you more LP was basically a fucking waste of time. You did your daily make curiosities, put them in study, and log out until the study is complete because studying could be done offline and there was little point waiting for them to complete while online since most of the good curios took 4+ hours real life time to complete.

It was fucking boring and they did it to combat bots grinding on trees. Except it did nothing to combat bots and really only made it easier to make effortless alts. Just another example of retarded devs destroying their game.

>>16188450

You can "prepare for gate" on the cornerpost and actually make a spaced out section with a closeable gate. I see you have Yeomanry so nobody can fuck with your claim which is good. You may way a custom client such as Amber, which has a ton of QOL features (eg showing quality)

You'll want to get exploration and perception up to find forageables. Survival affects the quality of those items. Try to only eat for FEP/stat gain, and not to restore energy/wounds. Combat isn't going to be a thing for you until you get at least 10-20 AGI/STR/unarmed

>>16188465

I heard having a gate means you just need trespassing to get in instead of needing vandalism, so I just replace the wall when I leave or log out. I've been focusing on exploration and survival, but not perception. Thanks for the tips. I'll check out Amber.

>>16188482

If you use a lock, you still need vandalism to get in.

>>16188482

>>16188494

Protip: You can make wooden locks. I never knew this and went a huge amount of time without having any security on my gates. Locks are trivial and cheap to make.

Though I'd imagine a rail fence is easily taken down even if they had vandalism, so it's a basic deterrent if anything. A house is better.

>>16188494

Alright, can I just leave crates and stuff out in the open in my claim or should I still put them in leantos?

>>16188509

People are probably going to snoop and rummage if they really wanted to; make sure they're on your claim and you'll have basically no issues. Any valuables I've always kept on myself.

>>16188505

The general expectation you can have is if you've a meager, humble place, you won't be raided except by someone really bored and wanting to fuck with you. Similarly, quite frankly, if you've a meager, humble place not by choice, you're not actually worth anything. The sheer difference between the auts that know what they're doing with industry and the casuals is staggering.

>>16188509

If anyone steals anything, they're gonna leave theft scents, and those last quite a while. People don't tend to want to do that. At least, they didn't when I played.

>>16188546

At least, they don't tend to want to do that for someone's shitty q10 Tree Bough. I presume there's a sweet spot where someone has useful materials but they don't appear so powerful as to be able to create mandrakes.

>>16188575

The problem is you never know who somebody knows. I never stole anything from anybody, being an asshole in a game with permadeath doesn't pay off.

>>16188587

I made a point of meeting all my neighbours and talking with them and telling them my base location and to let me know if they needed anything. There was one person with a sword in the area, but he wasn't even hostile.

>>16188627

Typically, most people are benign but occasionally you get some real asshole griefers who are only on the server to be dicks. This is where the Russians meme came from, because almost all hostile players back in the day were Russian griefers.

>>16188659

Griefing other players is objectively the best part of any multiplayer game.

>>16188694

Get griefed in real life, kid

I hope niggers burn your fucking house down and rape your sister

>>16188691

Do you think you could fully tame an animal without taking any damage?

>>16183347

>Farmer

I dont like bot's.

>Plate

Versus unsuspected enemy arrow

>Animals in pavement

To prevent them eating low quality food.

>2 rows with all drying racks, one is missing another

I was just lazy.

>>16188708

no, not a horse anyway, even with rocks. im not sure how hard other animals would be, but a sheep is the next critter getting the smack and tickle.

>>16188546

Just out of curiosity, how much effort does it take to actually murder someone in cold blood and what's the downsides to it afterwards? Just a really strong scent?

>>16188795

Very little if they're offline and you happen to summon them with a powerful scent, but since that requires murder, that's already a lot of effort

>>16188804

Also depending on whether the player is using a hearth vault, which players who do crimes tend to use universally, it may just be impossible without a huge organized raid.

>>16186218

>I need my constant lel-pee or I'll log out as there's nothing else to do but wait :(!

You have the wrong kind of autism and the only progress that your brain can comprehend is when a number on your screen increases.

>>16191968

>tend crops

>manage curios

Nothing else to do at lower levels, especially at later stages of a world where most quality nodes are already staked and you're a single person. Curios killed the game because it killed most of the reason to continue doing shit. The only people it helped are alt spammers and griefers.

>>16192021

>tend crops

>manage curios

>absolutely nothing else to do

It's not my fault you have some kind of condition, I'm not going to hold your hand through basic concepts such as getting more shit out of desire rather than need or exploiting game mechanics. Go make swastika out of houses with entrances that are blocked by each other them then proceed to call everyone within your supergrid a faggot (while leaving scents so they come take a look).

>at later stages of a world where most quality nodes are already staked and you're a single person

You're playing a grind intensive mmo and you're way too autistic to join a larger group, that's a request to get fucked hardcore.

Have any of you actually been killed by another player or killed any other players?

>>16192210

Yes and yes

What's the fastest and easiest way to make ash?

>>16193036

Bones in a kiln.

>>16192044

The game is only fun for me when I play a solo hermit, I hate people. People like you are the reason why.

>>16193315

You can reincarnate using tombstone(runestone) in character creation area and start at your old Hearthfire, inheriting your claim and some of stats. You can recover items from your corpse without crime skills as well.

>>16193315

Caves and mines are something you just don't fuck around with unless you can make support beams. There used to be a method of digging tunnels where you didn't need to use supports but it was still risky.

>>16193319

ahhh what if i walked in to the fire and spawned already? can i die again and still do it or did i just fuck up hard

>>16193322

Not really, it's fairly easy to avoid cave ins at level one, it's like playing minesweeper, when you mine a tile and powder drops, that means one or more tiles around said mined tile is a cave in tile that will trigger a cave in. The amount of cave in tiles correlates to the amount of cave dust, for example 0.03 would mean there's three cave in tiles around that mined tile.

>>16193325

Create new character and inherit with it.

>>16193356

How long ago did you build your pali? you might be able to bash part of it still

>>16193372

im trying now but fuck im running out of energy and theres no why to drink so this will take a wile

>>16193326

That wasn't a mechanic when I played, it was literally all guesswork.

>>16193356

This is why you never take the masterkey outside.

>>16193051

>>16193054

Hahaha glad you found other ways to enjoy this game.

>>16195141

Crawl into your autism corner and come back tomorrow, dumbass.

>go into cave for first time

>see weird rock thing

>right click on it

>suddenly teleported into a fucking batcave and get knocked out before it fucking loads

>keep getting knocked out over and over

>somehow get lucky and sprint to the exit and escape

Well time to sleep for the rest of the fucking day.

>Fill smelter with 12 coal

>Fill it with 25 ore

>Light it

>Come back 2 hours later

>Out of fuel, nothing produced

This happened twice, what the fuck? I'll use 13 or 14 coal next time but I'm confused

>>16195511

12 is enough, did the ore turn to slag? That means it processed but you got no metal, so bad luck.

>>16195555

>>16195511

No it turns out i fucked loaded the smelter with slag by mistake

>>16195569

No you didn't, you can't put slag into a smelter.

Two questions about the combat system that the wiki is unhelpful for:

Is there a purpose to duplicates with the current system? As I understand, previously it was some sort of card system and it helped with the likelihood that moves would appear, but it appears to do nothing now.

Do I ever want to stop using Punch for UC against animals? I still haven't found any equivalently good skills for MC. Is there a point where Haymaker or Left Hook would be better, for example?

>>16198326

Duplicates let you increase the level up to 5. That's what the + and - is for in the combat schools screen. Punch is ok but there are better combos. Haymaker is good for cheesing if you have an enemy that you can outrun or get stuck on the other side of a cliff. Left hook is good along with punch for building openings for uppercut.

I did some searching on a forum and found the combinations of Take Aim+Chop and Uppercut+Sideswipe. I actually had the moves for both and bumped my MC up to try the second, definitely an improvement in killing speed. I'm still curious about adding more than one to the deck, though.

I'm on the southern continent and one of my hermit neighbors said that the big factions are fighting here, is that true? I haven't really seen anyone other than hermits.

>>16200081

Post coords and I'll unironically fetch your corpse, open the gate and call you a cuck provided you're not on a shit continent.

>>16200173

>173

on the southern cont

>>16200201

or the bottom one if you looking at the map

>>16200201

Add "THIGHMAN" and I'll send an extremely disposable alt to do the task.

>>16201480

My Forager credo was shit. Early on it kept giving me Glowmoss tasks. Then, long after I completed it, I found 4 fucking nodes in one cavern. Piss me off.

My farmer isn't going as well either, I thought I stashed some extra cucumber seeds that I needed, but I guess not. Not a big deal now that I have a Q20 herb table and can get WWW flipped pretty quick.

Originally I was planning on getting Scholar, but the wiki isn't 100% clear on the requirements (eg if Mystic is needed - I assume it is). I guess the point of it is that it gets you free copies of curios every day, which for endgame stuff is probably amazingly useful. Right now though, I want to focus on getting Gardener, so I can get good non-crop plants quality up

>>16202500

I got stupidly lucky with both Forager and Quarryman. The worst I had with Forager was a Kvann quest that I waffled on for a few days before finally abandoning. Quarryman I hit nearly no bumps, only a few abandons for rocks I couldn't find and two Iron Ochre quests that I gave up on (and then immediately found Iron Ochre later…). I consider it karmic reimbursement for my attempts to do Fisherman first and immediately hitting a quest asking me to craft a lure, which meant I would have to harvest a plant fibre (instead of our crafter), make a cloth with it (instead of our crafter), then make a fishing rod with it (INSTEAD OF OUR CRAFTER) just to unlock the fucking knowledge of the fishing lure it wanted me to make. I sat on that quest for probably like two weeks because we kept having better uses for what little cloth we were producing at the time.

If it's of any condolence, there's no way I'm going to smoothly get through 30 quests of Gem Hunter. I just hope I get to the increased chance to mine gems out before it fucks me.

I also really hope there's a decent change to credos coming, because to get to Miner I'm going to go through several hundreds of these quests, with many of them being as fun as "log on, study something, log off for 18 hours".

>>16203463

Quite decent considering the custom sketch limitations (only 9 colors, including black and white.) Max resolution was 128x128?

>>16203463

I thought it could go up to 256 or 512 … either way, the emblem itself is 128x128, but I submitted it as the 2nd and 3rd pictures because of spacing on items

>>16203592

should be 500x500

>>16203592

it's 512x512

Right now, I've been making coal out of pine boards (q18). This only accounts for 1/4 of the final quality from smelting. However, is it better to have a small amount of higher quality coal, or an assload of lower quality coal? Right now, where values are low, I don't think it matters a lot.

Or maybe it matters more, because at lower levels of quality, 1 point makes a larger difference?

>>16204901

If you're patient enough, you can bloom your metal up to the quality of your hammer+anvil, and even a bit higher with some tedium. For my group, two tar kilns loaded with boards was enough coal to cover… about a quarter of the ore I would mine in the same timeframe.

I'd sooner worry about quantity of coal and quality of the Tar Kiln itself. If your kiln's not like, q50+, keep looking for better stone and clay.

>>16205005

I'm playing solo right now, so I don't have a lot of ore to begin with. I figure I'll probably pop into a level 2 mine once I get my strength up and then go to town. Right now all my natural resources are around q30 (except wood). Trying to upgrade everything, set up my base, credos, that sort of shit right now.

My energy is pretty low, but I've been trying to maintain a good hunger bonus at the moment, so we'll see how it goes

>>16205034

Dipping into Famished or even Hungry is completely fine, because a single round of questing can easily fixed it. Yesterday I fucked my Hunger to 80% Hungry, went on a questing spree and dropped down to 70% Ravenous in a few hours.

>>16205049

I haven't made much of a point in doing quests, since farming and credos have taken up so much of my time. Does charisma noticeably affect your rewards that much?

>>16205080

It's hard to empirically say because the rewards are random, but I didn't start seeing 10K+ LP rewards until my CHA hit 30.

Kept exploring rock patches, found Q40 quartz. Fantastic, this feels like something I should've done a long time ago. Making a milestone to it and a few other features I guess

>>16200993

added

Just found my first Chiming Bluebell and got a double pickup. Gonna store one for much later

>Ride horse

>Whinnies at 10%

>Oh I'm sure it'll just auto dismount me, I doubt it'd fling me off

>This is exactly what happens

>Almost die

Welp

>>16205495

Consider that your daily lesson of life as a Hearthling: The worst case scenario is the correct case scenario, and yes you'll almost die.

>>16205546

I should know better by now, I've played for over a month

>>16201790

You’re sure you “peace”d it before you started punching though, right?

>>16198413

Each one added to the deck increases its attack weight slightly, however the tradeoff is that your deck can only hold 30 cards but has 10 slots (so you can’t have the full 5 of each)

>>16205938

I tried looking up what attack weight does, and all I could find was a quote from Jorb that effectively says it just makes the move better. Thanks.

So am I misunderstanding something about the Knarr and Knarr Docks? Should I just build a hellhole of like 50 Tar Kilns to produce Tar?

>>16206072

>>16205938

Attack Weight seems to be a factor for how much of the opening is applied. Not sure how much it goes up by, though.

So what's the strategy for improving our Water q? My group has a q43 node that we can horseback to. It's a decent distance but I just found out we can use carts/wagons to easily fill up cisterns with just a few trips, but I'm not sure what to do for better water because Dig Deeper doesn't seem very sustainable. Should we just go ahead and build a well near that node and claim it anyway?

>>16208537

I found a spot right by the node where the water doesn't rise any further, so I think we'll go ahead and claim+well it at the very least, just so that we don't lose access to it. It's close enough that the well should be q43 as well, even.

>>16206072

>docks

Yes, also pine/spruce/fir blocks produce the most tar iirc

Server down? Been walking on spot for 2 mins.

>>16209250

It's dead

>>16209171

>>16206072

You want Pine ideally, but Spruce and Fir are good too. You get 2 coal per block, 1.5 per board. Note that you can only fit 40 boards per load or 80 blocks. Thus, 80 blocks become 160 coal, or 40 boards become 60 coal. However, it's more likely that you'll get better coal from the boards due to how the construction of them works

>>16209688

Thats only +7, am i missing something? I saw the thread that was in too, people were supposedly getting like 25 FEPs of a whale kebab

>>16209710

200% EPH, 7 FPH. That on its own is insane.

Then you have the Satiations. 5% chance for only 20%? That's along the lines of just eating a Chive you pick up off the ground, except you get extremely efficient Energy and FEP for it. That's so low you can shovel them in your mouth and not even give a fuck.

By comparison, other sausages you're working with are worse FEP, 5-7% Hunger (usually around 100% EPH) and will have a 20% chance to satiate at 40%. Deer Dog is your first practical +2 AGI option, and it gets fucked by Game, Sausage, and Meat satiations, so you can not combine it with any other sausage or Meat Pie or you'll have to, as was eloquently put earlier in the thread when I dared criticize the awfulness of the Food system, fuck off to your autism corner.

Honestly, I don't even entirely care about the stats themselves - as the miner of my group, I struggle with balancing my Energy. I can nuke 5000% Energy in about 20 minutes, and eating one sausage can kill my ability to eat similarly relevant stat items for 10-12 hours. Of course it's RNG, too. As a side note, the Hunger cost on this means less questing to bring your hunger back to Ravenous, which means more time spent doing relevant activities like mining out a gemstone for your credo.

>>16209744

Oh okay so it wasnt that one particular thing was ahove the curve, it just had absolutely no drawback and was basically best in slot and all around good

>>16209766

The whale one is pretty fucked up. Those are FEP numbers from the likes of cheeses, which takes weeks to create and also extremely fuck with satiations.

I hope the take-away isn't to make satiations worse. There's just too much hard labour to do in the game, and not everyone wants to play it like an RTS with countless alts.

It's up.

>>16210611

Go back to /r9k/ to find innocent incels to brainwash trapdiscord cucks.

I did some math. I have 1,725 chalcopyrite mined out right this second. That's going be 69 rounds of smelting, with a grand cost of 828 charcoal. Using Boards on my Tar Kilns will require 14 rounds of tarring at a grand total of 1,166 tar kiln hours. This is just to smelt what I have mined out immediately, and is after we've already gone through 10+ stockpiles of chalcopyrite.

So here's my setup and my plan, if one of your jaded veterans wants to correct me on anything I'm missing here:

Always maximize Charcoal quality over quantity

q23.9 Anvil + Hammer

~q38 Finery Forges

Destroy my stockpile of iron until I've bloomed a few pieces of Wrought Iron up to q38, and then remake my Anvil and Hammer. Repeat the process until I feel like remaking my Finery Forges.

At some point in this process the Charcoal is going to be the primary softcap, and I'll probably end up waiting on our trees. At this point, I'll start remaking other important metal tools and accessories. Hopefully, I hit q50+ on my Wrought Iron, and once our trees catch up, I set aside 12 Wrought Iron to be made into Steel for the highest q B12 I can muster so that I can SLAY SOME FUCKING ANIMALS

Am I on the right track with this? Or should I take a different approach?

>>16211307

Addendum: I should be making q30+ Iron once this round of coal comes out, so I'll probably just remake the Anvil and Hammer immediately. That way I'm not as reliant on godly RNG to increase the quality of the Wrought Iron.

Are there any berry bushes worth growing? I just realized that berries are more plentiful and likely faster to Q+ than trees are, and they're valid for offerings

>>16211260

My inventory is only 7x4, where's that extra row/col coming from? Are you subscribed, or did you do a credo?

>>16211336

2col backpack, 1col bindle, 1row bindle, 1col verify

>>16211307

That's how spiraling works AFAIK but you might be better of trading your iron for some quality-grinding faction. They should have plenty of hq anvil+hammers from their spiraling that is much higher than yours.

>>16211328

People grew Elderberry bushes for hq blocks in w8 but I haven't head of people using it since. Main drawback is probably having to use same amount of material and effort to plant a bush as a tree which will yield much, much more wood. They could provide decent supply of berries for offerings, use your old tables/pots and abundant/cheap water/soil to spam them in addition to regular trees.

>>16211743

Addendum about trading: you will be jewed but if you use trusted traders from forums/HedgeHugs run discord server, you should be able to complete the deal without getting completely shammed. Factions should produce lots of anvils as they spiral metal, and even if they discard them for one higher-up in the spiral, it should still be a magnitude better than you can get as hermit (I assume you're playing alone.)

>>16211785

Not quite alone, but two other people. All of us are new for W11 so we've mostly just been winging it, and none of us are really using alts, so we're definitely "behind the curve" compared to the organized groups. That said, we fortunately are organized enough that our stat spread is neat and contained, with the aside of Psyche which is a bitch to obtain. I'm hoping to raise it up soon before my STR/AGI gets too far into the 100s.

>>16211307

Ignore the tradeniggers, they're trying to stop you form learning the game for yourself. Upgrade your anvil and hammer at every 2-3 points of increased quality, since the quality of your hammer and anvil are included in the bloom calculation.

if you're a stingy coward, upgrade your hammer with all of your milestone wrought bars that have capped out in quality, since you get more quality calculation power per bar of iron in the hammer than from the anvil.

Also iteratively upgrade all of your tar kilns with the best stone and clay you can muster, it has a 1/4th weighting in the quality calculation for the coal AND speeds up the rate that it puts out coal. (reminder if your coal is better than your branches you can fire bricks made from better coal made from better tar kilns to make better smelters that make better baseline quality bars from your ores)

If you want to play miner and start spiraling your own metal, try it out and see how far you can get. Taking scraps from another faction means you waste the opportunity to learn how the agme systems work and how to plough through them faster and more efficiently the next time you pick the game up.

>>16211861

>Also iteratively upgrade all of your tar kilns with the best stone and clay you can muster…

Already started on that. I got a couple going using q50 Clay and q43 Stone. I don't expect to find better Clay until we can Bone Clay (and am occasionally making trips to stockpile more and more of it) and the only better Stone I've found was about 12 pieces from a few tiles in L1 that got used to spiral mine and another anon's Stone Axes.

I hadn't considered using coal for bricks, but right now most of my bricks have been made from q28 Sticks and our trees are only about to get better - I think the Stone Axe spiral is the number one thing I stayed on top of, to the point that it's actually almost better than my Pick Axe (q38.1 Stone Axe vs q19.9 Pick Axe). Because I have a q43 Stone node, I think my Axes and thus my Branches will stay ahead of my Coal for a while still.

Thanks for the advice. I generally had the right idea but I think I'm overestimating how much the bloom will increase the quality, to think I'd get nearly 15 points before upgrading my Anvil/Hammer. Now that I've nailed down a good diet for energy without murdering my stat potential, I feel pretty safe to mine out thousands of ore. It'll be another 10 hours before this next round of coal pops out, so I'll get some good experience on the matter in then.

>>16211861

Good to hear you're already keeping up on the stone axes. Lumber industry is the biggest stopping block for metal production since you actually softcap down your metal if you put shit coal in a a finery forge the same quality as the cast iron.

Firing bricks from high quality board-coal is a possible crossover between tool progression systems if you get a very good bonesaw before you find high quality stone to upgrade your stone axes for better branches.

This makes wrought a retard's game where you destroy countless bars to try and get two +10% rolls to make a better hammer.

I think the understated aspect to metal spiraling that people explicitly try to avoid describing is that your 'failed' bloom rolls still dramatically increase the quality of your source metal if the anvil and hammer are high enough. Turning q10 ore to q20 bars and the q20 bars into q50 'shitty' wrought is still making huge advances quality from thin air. With a big enough stock of 'shitty' wrought, you can make cheap armor and other items that have sqrt(50/10)= ~2.2 the defensive power of the q10 bars they came from.

If wrought was only useful because your best ores could be made slightly better, it wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal.

>>16212034

I understood the concept that you could effectively bring all iron up to the level of your hammer and anvil, but I haven't had significant differences in quality since my first vein I mined was ~28. I hurt its quality a bit from the smelter and coal, and can improve it, but the improvements aren't from wrought.

My expectation here is I have thousands of ore and can serve to trash it in the attempt to increase its q. The rest of my downtime is waiting on trees for better coal and wax for mineholes (though from what I've read, my STR level is going to be sorely lacking anyway so I shouldn't be in a huge rush. Maybe I can get a q40ish Pick Axe by the time I hit L3 and that'll work out)

>>16211743

Any particular reason why Elderberries were chosen specifically?

>>16213810

Boards are carpentry only, akin to the stats used when making a bucket. You can test this by making boards on an 1 carpentry alt with a good bone saw then increasing carpentry. You'll eventually get boards for that sqrt(board*saw)

>>16214091

Something is blocking the way. Hint: road checks for obstacles not between the road signs, but the points couple tiles ahead of them (as shown when building small milestones.)

You may have also accidentally created a new road that is only one segment long, jorbtar sometimes works in mysterious ways.

>>16213254

They grow fast, give decent amount of blocks for a bush, and yield like dozen or so berries so you get plenty of rolls on the random quality change on planting.

>>16213533

>>16213547

You just collecting them for no reason? You need to leash them on Hitching posts to tame.

>>16214100

>Blocking the way

Nope, I manually navigated it with a cart and then teleported from the other one to where I am now. It works.

I just can't get it to fast travel back to the other one

Oh okay. I did Milestone->Mini when I should have done it the other way around

>>16212093

It's fine to smelt it now but i recommend holding back on smelting it until you can find a quality node for ochre, chalco, or heavy earth somewhere. Finding q40+ in l1 is not all that difficult, and getting just enough for an anvil increases the value of all your old ore.

>>16215359

Nice incremental progress. 6 kilns probably isn't enough, you really should think about running 12. It sucks to upgrade them but it's pretty much always worth it. Focus on banking clay from your best available source every single day, evne if you aren't immediately using it, because you end up blazing through it so fast for big upgrades.

>>16215376

The thing I hate about this is the q50 clay node I found is from three vortices deep and I'm only getting to hit the outskirts of a big claim staked over it. It's a large enough node I get about three-four stockpiles but the travel is killing me.

How much better does it get with cave clay? I still don't see it but all the other forageable clay tends to not be impressive q.

Also I misunderstood the process a bit: I thought wrought iron went back into the finery forge, but I also thought wrought iron was the only bloom product that would get significant changes. Getting the huge q increases on cast iron makes it so much more reasonable to spiral this metal - another round with a 38.8 bar is a q4.5 increase on my hammer, which is like an average increase of ~1q on all bloom products? Pretty nice.

>>16215395

The vortex destinations changed today. Hopefully I'll get that location again, but if not I'm downgrading to q38 clay.

>>16215395

You get cave clay ~ 1 unit at a time rarely. I don't think it's even guaranteed to be better than the world clay you have around you - have fun. I never got my per*xp high enough on my miner to ever see any.

By the way, the quality increase (from the anvil) applying to cast iron bars is the secret to spiralling. The more times the cast iron bar 'fails' and returns to cast iron, the more you converge on the metal quality of your best bar.

How do I cure Starvation damage faster, what's the trick? I have maxed out energy and went to sleep, and woke up and only 2 units of it were healed. Still have green energy

Also with prospecting, what does the red cone indicate?

>>16215705

The red cone directs you to the nearest ore. So if you're standing in a spot and it says "Limestone," then that precise tile on the cave level below you (L1 if you're on the surface) will have Limestone. Then, there's an arrow pointing in a direction. roughly sized to give you an estimate of how far you have to go, pointing to the nearest ore. The fatter the arrow, the closer the ore is.

>>16215496

>How do I cure Starvation damage faster, what's the trick?

You don't get starvation, and you use the best bed. Shit sucks but let it serve as a reminder that prevention beats treatment.

>>16215705

Where the ore vein is. Move a couple dozen tiles (30) that way and prospect again.

You can practice this with a dowsing rod. Something like per*exp*masonry affects how well you're using rustroot and what you can find for whatever reason.

>>16215724

>>16215717

Okay, that's about what I thought. I found a node with Q50 clay. Is that decent? How far up does natural quality tend to go?

Can someone please confirm that there at in fact 15 crops that are ground planted and 5 crops that are trellis planted? I'm trying to plan out a farm properly

>Found my first Peculiar Flotsom

>his boner grew three sizes that day.jpg

>>16218316

The Basalt I'm getting q51.5+, which I'm definitely softcapping with my Pick Axe. Just another few more days until our trees grow and I can get a q30ish Pick Axe.

>Random unknown players in the area are actively seeking me out to be my friend, because I was so nice to their friend(s)

Hey this is kinda cool

If anyone's getting tired of the more obnoxious modclient alarm sounds here's a python script to add the header to an ogg file so you can replace the files in Amber-res.jar. Make sure it doesn't have any metadata or the game will crash.

https://pastebin.com/VQJzmK0p