/v/ - Video Games

VR has been great since Vive first launched. All vr naysayers are indeed poorfag filth and should be genocided.

>>16058225

vive should just do a heaps crazy sale on headsets

one of the few flaws vr games have is lack of players

no games

>>16058241

>treadmills

honestly moving about using the trackpad if fine what games need is a movement speed slider, some games move to fast or too slow.

I'd care about VR if every game wasn't a gimmick, port or 20 minutes long.

>>16058231

Well for me it's room-scale that is it's key selling point. Having that whole setup has killed 'conventional' gaming for me. So just a headset probably still wouldn't give people the push to adopt it anymore than in it's current state. Maybe VR's adoption needs to be limited to those who can afford it so the plebs are contained to their bing bing wahoos etc.

>>16058247

there's a metric fuck ton of games you numb brained fuck

>>16058253

pavlov vr and gunclub vr are more than enough incentive to get vr if you love a shooter

>>16058260

Nice try, poorfag.

BTW OP your thread might get shoah'd for looking like bait, if it gets deleted just remake with "VR thread" as the title and put some questions in the OP

The biggest problem with VR for me is the lack of traditional games. There are a lot of fun short bursts and other games refit to VR, but not much in the way of normal games that use VR as a main component.

Apparently Valve is making a HL2 prequel called The Seven Hour War that will be a full-length VR game, I'll take interest when/if that ever comes out.

>>16058250

Trackpad is OK. I want full immersion. Let me into that other world. Let me run at that fucking monster full speed and hack the shit out of it without damaging my walls.

A simple haptic backpack system that stopped your ability to move when you hit something would be nice for better feedback and to prevent tennis elbow.

>>16058262

Is gun club really worth buying? Is it any better than hot dogs horsehoes and handgrenades?

>>16058271

>Valve is now going backwards

They'll do anything to avoid using the number 3 right?

>>16058273

gun club is a 10/10 weapon handling target shooting sim with a shit ton of guns and a sandbox mode

its also one of the few vr games with a decent progression system and a fucking great zombie mode

get it

When's the next gen of the tech coming out? I'm actually interested in what kind of upgrades Occulus 2 and Valve's product will have. Eventually all the money that's thrown at VR will create a great product. Well, I get motion sickness and want to throw up from driving 10 miles, so I'm not sure the tech will ever work for me.

>>16058216

I thought there was a cool game for VR but I see it's just a shit thread. I am disappointed in you OP.

>>16058271

>Valve is making a HL2 prequel

>Valve Making anything

>>16058216

Just like 3D TV amirite? lmao get fucked with your passing fad faggot.

>>16058305

>Besides for porn, the tech isn't worth it yet, and if you're good at visualizing stuff, you're better off with just your head to get off, I think.

Don't actually use your own head, nearly broke my neck doing this.

>>16058271

>>16058285

To be honest it's probably not a bad idea to make the next HL game a side story. It doesn't need to live up to the insane hype of HL3 and it quells the starved fans.

Also Valve was fucking retarded and got every display manufacturer to go to Microsoft by trying to demand exclusivity for the SteamVR SDK and ended up limp wristedly patching in support for Mixed Reality into steamVR on windows.

And despite being significantly more affordable, quality control and trying to purchase a Mixed Reality headset is a shitshoot because there's things like manufacturers sending out refurbished Developer kits to people

I'll care about VR whenever real games are made for it, currently VR's entire original library consists of Wii-tier cash grabs like Hand Simulator.

>>16058241

>I wonder if omni directional treadmills will ever be affordable

The more important consideration with this is that it would force a complete change of game design at the fundamental level. In basically any game, your character is running around constantly. Can you imagine your average person who plays games even being able to WALK nonstop for a few hours, much less RUN? Any open-world sandbox games would now be too exhausting to play for more than a half-hour at a time. And platformers would be even worse. Now you have to both run AND jump constantly. Fucking nobody would be able to get through a few levels without stopping to catch their breath.

The thing is, everyone is still trying to figure out how to make a game for VR. Adapting existing game design to it inevitably fails because all you're doing is adding a 360 view and dumbing down aiming because — surprise surprise — aiming down gun sights is a FUCK of a lot less accurate than moving a reticle with your mouse or a joystick. Most games made for VR are essentially on-rails shooters because walking out of the motion sensor's view is a real problem. The only thing it works well for is a setup where you're not moving as a human, but as a vehicle, because then you're confined to a chair in the first place. But immersive simulator cockpits already exist and can accomplish the same with a MUCH higher degree of realism because, gee, it's ACTUALLY REAL! What a concept.

Face facts: virtual reality right now is little more than taping the screen to your face and taping the mouse to your hand.

And also I'd just like to say

VALVE, YOU LITERAL FUCKING RETARDS, YOU HAD LITERALLY ONE GODDAMN FUCKING THING TO LEARN FROM THE STEAM CONTROLLER, JUST ONE FUCKING THING. IT WAS A BAD IDEA TO MAKE HARDWARE AND TIE CORE FUNCTIONALITY TO A DRM CLIENT. THAT'S FUCKING IT. YET SOMEHOW, DESPITE IT BEING A TOTAL AND COMPLETE FAILURE AS HARDWARE. YOU FAILED TO LEARN THE ONE FUCKING THING WITH IT, AND YOU MANAGED TO PISS OFF EVERY DISPLAY MANUFACTURER, AND HAD TO PATCH IN SUPPORT FOR MIXED REALITY, INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING YOU WERE WRONG, JUST LIKE HOW WHEN THE STEAM CONTROLLER WAS A TOTAL FAILURE, YOU PATCHED IN DS4WINDOWS INTO THE STEAM CLIENT.

>>16058225

>>16058216

Fuck off globalist capitalist bourgeoisie. The state should use VR as a means to disseminate nationalist propaganda to the volkish proles

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>>16058270

is this an agressive shilling tactic, cause it might work here

>>16058216

I'm waiting for standalone headsets to become a little more powerful before I jump on board. I have a great gaming pc, but I fucking hate VR wires and having to buy/setup multiple cameras. The Oculus Quest looks fun, too bad I'm not giving my money to (((Mark Zuckerburg))).

VR is just the beginning.

Too much bullshit just to play a game, it's like having an overly complicated masturbation routine.

Alright OP you've convinced me to buy a VR system with my autismbux. Now which one should I buy?

>>16058355

Could you explain please?

>>16058255

what good games does vr have

>>16058442

There are literally hundreds of lewd games for VR. The only reason development of VR has progressed this far is because of it. You can checkout some of the demos here.

>>/vir/118

>>16058454

Oops.

>>>/vir/118

>>16058432

It's hard to explain. It felt like my hands were not mine. It happened before going to sleep.

ill get vr when theres games worth playing on it

i am not going to buy vanity hardware, hyped on pipedreams

>>16058466

I understand that. I want to know why VR does it to you. How do you fix it?

>>16058466

>desynchronize with reality and become a 3rd party observer to yourself.

I feel like that doesn't necessarily require you to think reality is not real.

>>16058470

The real world that you perceive is just a virtual representation of what your brain is receiving from all the sensory information combined. It was never designed to distinguish virtual reality from reality.

>>16058475

It's extremely hard to describe if you have never had an out of body experience or at least got high and remember most of it.

>>16058479

I understand that, I'm just curious about it. How do you bring yourself back round?

>>16058501

Don't panic and it'll go away after a while, play VR at regular intervals long enough in controlled amounts and your brain will adjust.

>>16058387

Why am I not surprised japs are the only ones who put anything remotely worthwhile out on VR.

>>16058479

i see the world in dimensions

>reality

>mind

>hallucination

>the cyber dimension

when you see it as traveling from one dimension to another its less… existential crisisy

the way i see it when people stare into the tv, phone or using a computer, those people are no longer in reality

>>16058569

Holy shit, now I've truly seen the future of VR.

>>16058372

No agresive shilling. Games like Gorn, Sairento, Hollow Point, Space Pirate Trainer, Stand Out etc have just more than made my Vive purchase worth it many times over. Running across walls, deflecting bullets and ripping people to pieces in VR have made basic controller/monitor based games boring as shit to me. Anyone who still criticizes room-scale VR to this day either hasn't tried it or are just a poor faggots. It's that simple.

>>16058638

Honey Select alone made the purchase worth it

>>16058569

Porn is the only thing VR might be good with

>>16058645

Have had the Vive for a couple of years and surprisingly am yet to try anything porn related. Maybe now the time has come.

>>16058655

180 degree porn videos aregood

((vr)) is dead nigguh

>>16058270

VR isn't that expensive anymore.

People aren't buying VR not because cost, but because there isn't much interesting on it. It has no killer app, no game that really makes people think "damn, I gotta try this".

I'm sure if you have one there are plenty of fun toys, but there's not much attracting people into getting a headset.

>>16058684

I find the interactivity and customization of games like Honey Select to be far more impressive than 180degree porn. That and:

>3dpd

>>16058697

The argument is always the same.

What can you offer me that functions better than my 2D television?

If you can't beat a TV for ease of use and immersion it doesn't matter what else you can do with it. If I want to marathon a game I don't want neck ache or eye strain from the headset which I wouldn't get from a normal screen.

>>16058702

i do enjoy honey select but i disagree

180 vids are far more surreal

Motion control is the future of gaming.

>>16058569

Source?

>>16058715

blade and sorcery

>>16058707

That's fair, and Honey Select can be a little limiting in some ways. There's only so many animations and sound bites that can be used at a time and it can devolve into repetition. There's just flat out more variety with 180 vids.

I'm consistently amazed how civil the conversation is when discussing porn.

>>16058479

This is why it's basically a mathematical guarantee that all of us (or just YOU, if you believe in solipsism) are already in an artificial reality, a la The Matrix.

Consider:

>It's statistical fact that for a given set of information, a random selection from it will be closer to the middle than either end by virtue of there being a lot more in the middle. For example, if you pick a James Bond movie at random (there are 24), it's very unlikely that you'll end up with one of the first couple.

>If humans don't extinct themselves, they'll continue to expand until they conquer the universe, therefore human civilization will last for trillions of years

>Combining the two above, it means that any randomly selected year is much more likely to be some time billions of years in the distant future than some time in the first 10,000 years of civilization

>We're very close, comparatively speaking, to a VR so complete that it's indistinguishable from reality; it's a century away at most, and it's pretty much a guarantee that it'll end up being made, and people will be plugged into them (possibly at birth and/or against their will)

>This means that the amount of time humans will NOT have indistinguishable VR will be 10,100 years or so, and the time they will have it will be countless billions of years

>Which means, statistically speaking, the chances that Current Year is a year in that first period rather than in the second is so mathematically remote as to be inconceivable. We should all be living in Star Trek right now

>Therefore, because Current Year appears to portray a world in that initial period (and that's so unlikely) it must instead be a false VR

But the thing is… the technology and powers that (presumably) have created this are so in scale larger than you are as to be literal Gods, that there is no hope for you to ever escape it. So knowing the fact that you're in The Matrix right now cannot actually affect how you live your life. Most likely dying here will mean you get disconnected and die in whatever state the real world is in; else why would you be in here in the first place? It's just something to keep you awake at night, staring at the ceiling in existential angst.

You're welcome!

>>16058737

Take it as a rule, when /v/ discusses anything except vidya or politics it's completely civil and productive

>>16058739

You're sniffing your own farts and trying to look intelligent. And you fail to do that even when you try.

>If a civilization ever got the power to simulate a universe it would do so the same way we play games today.

>That civilization would be able to simulate trillions of universes

>If trillions of universes could be run, what are the odds of you being in the real one and not a simulation?

There. I fixed your stupid fart sniffing. I know the stupid youtube videos you've been watching which drag this out to an hour. But that's not needed here. You can state things simple and accurately without your stupid matrix bullshit.

>>16058752

Big talk from the guy who an hour ago had to be spoonfed several times in a row about what derealization is.

Nobody is impressed with your blather. You didn't even understand what I was saying, so your attempt to summarize it succinctly failed to capture the key points. And after I so carefully laid it out with simple logic. You must be a true moron if you didn't get it.

>>16058216

>get vr

For what purpose? Try to give me a reason at least. All I know about VR is that it has horrible games, tech demos and VRchat.

>>16058801

>Be retard

>Get correct

>Go through post history to try and find something to dig at

>Still be a retard

>Completely misunderstand post

Go back to Sargon and Thunderhoof or whatever you faggots are worshiping today

>>16058216

But vr has no gaems, and I'm not going to pay an obscene amount of money just to masturbate to vr porn.

i would cum so hard if i had the money for vr

>huh, about 40% of people can't do one of the most basic elements of just about every game out there, moving, without getting sick

>unless they teleport around, but that breaks a lot of gameplay

>whelp, let's just make only tech demos that don't require movement, and shitty games with teleportation

<vr is great buy it now there is no reason not to you fucking poorfags

The few actual games that get released with proper movement get complaints about it, like Windlands and that's about the only one I can think of because I gave up on current gen vr pretty quickly, and in general there's less decent games for it than the good PS4 library divided by the good Switch library multiplied by good Xbone "exclusives" that aren't also on PC.

>>16058739

>This is why it's basically a mathematical guarantee that all of us (or just YOU, if you believe in solipsism) are already in an artificial reality, a la The Matrix.

Even assuming it's true, it means nothing at the moment, or for the foreseeable future. People want to use concepts like that to try to retrofit magical thinking onto modern concepts. Sure, if you want to believe in an afterlife - it makes a more believable argument that you're saved on some cosmic hard drive - or that you could time travel by hacking the Universe's memory and inserting your data into a previous saved state. But there's no evidence that, even if we were in a simulation, that any of that is actually happening under the hood. The simulation could just be running, and god forgot to hit F5 for the last several million years and a cosmic system crash could wipe out everything, with no guarantee of the simulation recreating everything on the second (or third, or fourth, or hundreth) itteration. And why would we be saved anyhow except as a byproduct? In a simulation of the universe, what makes us special enough to have a off-server digital heaven. Does every NPC you kill in a game get uploaded to the cloud and preserved for all eternity?

>>16060077

Nowhere did it say anything about a delusion of immortality. That's something you added yourself, based on some kind of strawman regarding (I assume) the Singularity — which really does resemble a sci-fi version of the biblical Judgement Day. They're different because one is a furitive hope and the other is a mathematical guarantee. Then again, there's a lot of things that you can get math to say about reality that defies logic in the first place. Part of this was to illustrate the flaws in assuming the Universe can be completely explained and understood through math in the first place.

>there's no evidence that, even if we were in a simulation, that any of that is actually happening under the hood

String theory implies that the universe we perceive isn't the way things actually ARE; it's just another layer of illusion like how our brains interpreting reality is, itself, an illusion. If everything were actually just a hologram it would make more sense than it not being one.

VR is dead