[–]▶ cad076 (7) No.16040898>>16040968 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
Been a while since I enjoyed a game as much as this one. I think the last one to really hook me was Yakuza 0 and that was more due to some autistic dedication that triggered in my brain, this is just pure enjoyment.
Anyway, if you have never played a Wonder Boy/Monster World game they're very tight exploration focused action platformers, or metroidvania for you psued's out there. They're difficult but fair and put a focus on platforming challenges that ramp up in difficulty, if anything the closest other comparison I can point out is if Zelda 2 evolved into its own style of game that expanded the game play in as many directions as possible.
The new game in the series is by some French fans of the original and it took them years to get everything until it was just right, constantly re-drawing characters, hand drawing every level and art asset and eventually some big names like Yuzo Koshiro, Motoi Sakuraba and Michiru Yamane (among many others) to do things like the music, sounds and help with the direction of the game. It's kind of incredible but it plays amazingly too. The levels are creative and each puzzle feels incredibly rewarding to figure out, even the ones that might seem cheap end up coming full circle to be satisfying. It doesn't feel like one of those generic indie metroidvania's that thinks using hallways and ladders is an excuse for inter-connecting levels and instead ties everything together with tight knit platforming challenges and puzzles that just feel fun to solve.
I'm only about half way through now and just got to the underwater section of the game, it's amazing how they actually made movement underwater fun with the frog and snake. Going through the sequence to get the pirate's bomb had me sniffing out invisible platforms, swinging from loops to manipulating a cannon to shoot objects in the background to fling a treasure chest to where I can access it, to boiling myself in the pig form to convince a pirate his pork stew was ready. If you're feeling burnt out I can't help but recommend this one a ton, or any of the big Monster World games like The Dragons Trap or Monster World IV. Have you ever played any of these games before? Did you try the Dragon's Trap remake? I think the PCE version of that game is still the best.
▶ 0e810e (2) No.16040968>>16041011
>>16040898 (OP)
Sounds pretty ｋｉｎｏ but you didn't leave me a download link or anything.
▶ 5c4ca0 (4) No.16040985>>16041011 >>16041042 >>16042228
I really liked Wonder Boy in Monster World on the Mega Drive, but that's the only game I've played in the series.
Which others are worth a shot?
▶ cad076 (7) No.16041011>>16041027 >>16041039 >>16048023
>>16040985
The Dragon's Curse on PCE/The Dragon's Trap remake (Not the SMS original), Monster World IV on the Genesis, and Monster Boy. They're all excellent and MWIV features one of the cutest protagonists in a game ever who went on to be copied by Way Forward and made into Shantae. If you like Shantae style games this is basically the origin of them but a lot better.
>>16040968
Monster Boy is only on PS4/Switch right now. Buy it because it's great.
https://mega.nz/#!Nmw2TRxK!9mxBfqjiDmd4UCJXdeiQBWq8apz9jwJUkEbu-9Y59YI
▶ 5c4ca0 (4) No.16041027
>>16041011
> If you like Shantae style games this is basically the origin of them but a lot better.
Sweet, I'm sold.
▶ 0e810e (2) No.16041039
>>16041011
>Buy it
>PS4
Haha
▶ f0048b (5) No.16041042>>16041314 >>16042094 >>16048017
Game heavily suffers from mobility creep
>double jump
>double jump + able to step on clouds (never used again)
>double jump + able to walk on lava (hardly used again)
>double jump + dash up in the air
>limited flying
>infinite flying
>able to phase dash four times in a row
Also the shmup sections are terrible, bunch of fixed bullets and boring aimed patterns, absolute snorefest
Frog movement while swimming is fucking shit, hitting up or down rotates AND moves you relatively FORWARD, instead of just rotating the sprite instantly and moving in the direction i moved the stick in.
The first half of the game is fucking terrible, until you get the lion and it becomes fun but then the game overall level design becomes too much 200iq thinking and trying to search around the area, I find myself finding secrets than trying to progress the fucking game. As soon as you get your human form your pig form is fucking end of the barrel useless other than sniffing out treasure, great game along with the frog's tongue being experimental when used on enemies, might fuck yourself over or might be the key to winning.
The music outside of the temple is also very unmemorable. What's with the Japanese and english opening, the Japanese opening is laid back and is sung by a female singer but then english opening is some 4kids-tier fucking garbage.
Oh yeah I clapped at the very 'subtle' reference to the first few wonder boy games, felt like a fucking gamer right there.
The game only looks pretty and everything else is metroidvania shit I've seen a hundred times.
>>16040985
The first wonder boy is alright, a pure platforming game.
▶ bf5934 (2) No.16041314>>16041320 >>16041344
>>16041042
How is that "bad"? The mobility upgrades are essentially just keys.
▶ a69297 (1) No.16041320
>>16041314
It game out on a gamepad bro
▶ ca51c4 (3) No.16041333
The Dragon's Trap remake is amazing. You can even mod in the PC Engine music as well.
▶ f0048b (5) No.16041344>>16041425
>>16041314
>go to haunted mansion
>there are a bunch of platforms to jump on
>lmao i can just infinitely fly or easily recover my fly move
defeats half the point of this game.
▶ 5c4ca0 (4) No.16041346>>16041425 >>16042094
Just beat the first real boss in Dragon's Trap. Pretty fun game.
Also, is it an emulation issue or are the controls actually this slippery?
▶ ca51c4 (3) No.16041425>>16045798
>>16041344
It's to try stages with different forms.
>>16041346
I think that's how it was on the Sega Master System.
▶ cad076 (7) No.16042094>>16045798
>>16041042
I don't agree with the mobility creep thing, this isn't hollow knight or dead cells, it's a platformer that presents problems for your navigation not a hallway runner that presents shortcuts for your traversal.
>hitting up or down rotates AND moves you relatively FORWARD
the entire game has momentum in movement, it would be jarring if it didn't have this. Maybe the problem is you're playing with a stick and not a d-pad.
>The music outside of the temple is also very unmemorable.
definitely not. The field track, the Aztec temple rendition of Desert Zone is tastefully done and the beach track especially is tremendous.
>the very 'subtle' reference to the first few wonder boy games
It's not meant to be subtle.
>>16041346
It's slippery by design, make sure you're not playing the SMS version.
▶ b66195 (1) No.16042228>>16042312
I've been asking about this game for a month. Glad to finally have some criticism on it before I try.
>>16040985
WB II-IV, the MW IV
The series is really good.
▶ 2f8746 (1) No.16042312
>>16042228
It's a seriously good game. Probably the best of 2018.
▶ 5c4ca0 (4) No.16045798>>16046421
>>16041425
>>16042094
I'm playing the US Turbografix version.
Currently stuck in the Lionman/Temple stage.
The pacing of the game is really good. Levels are short but the challenges come thick and fast, each clearly an evolution of the ones prior. Then it's on to a new mechanic.
I also really like that each enemy recolour has new behaviour, even if its as simple as the blue muscle snakes being able to jump.
▶ c9f214 (1) No.16045933>>16046421
The idea of making a game with good gameplay is now considered a revelation. Just because a game is from the 90s doesn't suddenly make it not good anymore. Developers have forgotten this and choose to instead make crappy games.
▶ 4c8164 (1) No.16046421
>>16045933
That's nice and everything but the monster world games are the top of their genre.
>>16045798
Don't forget you can use the lion man's swing to break blocks above you.
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16047636>>16047649
I'm still confused that we've had 3 Wonder Boy games from 3 different companies in as many years.
▶ ca51c4 (3) No.16047649>>16050126
>>16047636
Because, Sega whoring out licenses.
▶ 1cc8f3 (1) No.16047672>>16047712
oh, i though this was a thread for the "other" monster shota game.
▶ 859694 (1) No.16047712
>>16047672
Oh, you mean undertale:^)
▶ 95ef46 (3) No.16048017>>16049906
Didn't realize someone else had the same idea as me.
Just now 100%'d Cursed Kingdom. Good shit. Art style was subpar, but it grew on me. Metroidvania gameplay style, but you can change into different monster boys with different abilities. I've been curious about this series for a while, and it's why I picked up Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap first (inb4 Orson Welle's opinion on the French).
Just wanna know if there's any other enthusiasts for this series here. Now I wanna play Wonder Boy IV, and Monster World V. Saw the latter got a shitty fan translation, and I hope someone else fixed it up somewhere. Wanna experience Asha's story, so I can see why she got sealed away during Cursed Kingdom.
>>16041042
I know how tiring it is to see the same damn shit in every video game, but I genuinely enjoyed this Metroidvania, for what it was worth. Puzzles were challenging enough to me, at least. I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't just go into them haphazardly.
▶ b22c2a (1) No.16048023
When's Cursed Kingdom having it's PC release? The vague 2019 tag is something I hate Steam for even allowing.
>>16041011
>Shantae
I know you say the same thing in your post but it has to be resaid, Asha is superior to Shantae.
▶ 95ef46 (3) No.16048092>>16051363
What's even going on here?
▶ 40b20c (1) No.16048707>>16049906 >>16050168
I love you asha autist. Never change.
▶ cad076 (7) No.16049906>>16050126 >>16051346
>>16048707
funner games are funner and everything in Monster Boy is pure fun.
>>16048017
>Art style was subpar
I really liked the look, a nice recreation and reinterpretation of the classic style. It still managed to feel like its own thing with the curvy and elaborate background design while being full of tasteful callbacks.
>Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap first
Very good remake of a very good game.
>Wonder Boy IV, and Monster World V
You got them mixed up, Monster Boy is MWV technically. MW4 had a really nice fan translation and also an official translation, both are good. MW3/Wonder Boy in Monster World is great as is the Dragon's trap (MW2) and Wonder Boy III/Monster Lair on the PCE CD and Genesis are also great. As much as I have a soft spot for Sega systems the PCE is remarkable especially for the soundtrack. We lost something remarkable when Westone closed their doors but Sega has done a great job of keeping their legacy alive
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16050126>>16050157 >>16050165 >>16052211
>>16047649
Did Sega buy it from Westone?
>>16049906
I'm still confused. Is there only two Wonder Boy games, and the rest are Monster World?
t, didn't play any of them
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050157>>16050188
>>16050126
Wonder Boy and Monster World are the same series, just different names and are a good way to differentiate the styles of game play. The Wonder Boy games are arcade platformers in their style and design. Monster World feels more like it took that tight platforming from Wonder Boy and gave it new life in an exploration focused shell. The whole series is a mess of ports/reinterpretations/licensing of game design but not of name. It's a weird mess but that just means there's tons of unique games to find out there and little twists on some of your favorites.
▶ f0048b (5) No.16050165>>16051348
>>16050126
There's also adventure island a spinoff of the port/adaption of the first wonder boy game
▶ 6d43c2 (4) No.16050168>>16050169 >>16050302
>>16048707
What I don't get is why he keeps thinking that Asha is white. Ingame, she has about the same skin color as Shantae.
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050169>>16050173 >>16051356
>>16050168
Nobody thinks Asha is white, don't be stupid.
▶ 6d43c2 (4) No.16050173>>16050182 >>16051353
>>16050169
The Asha autist does. In every Shantae thread, he complains about Shantae being a nigger and how white Asha is superior.
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050182>>16050243
>>16050173
No, just that Shanty is a ripoff and a mutt. Like I said, don't be stupid.
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16050188>>16050197
>>16050157
The whole >2 games named Wonder Boy III thing made my brain error I think.
Should I start with Deluxe over the Master System version? And the arcade versions in general? Did anyone dump the MW4 English ROM from the digital release?
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050197>>16050215 >>16055440
>>16050188
>The whole >2 games named Wonder Boy III thing made my brain error I think.
It's a convoluted series. The arcade games are fine but not amazing. Play the PCE versions of the games when available, Genesis when not, and try the other stuff like adventure island.
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16050215
>>16050197
>pic
Fuck.
Thanks anon.
▶ 6d43c2 (4) No.16050243>>16050252
>>16050182
>mutt
Mutt, nigger, sandnigger. He usually always says something about her brown skin or her being muslim/arabic. Then he posts Asha art with very white skin and how her lighter tone makes her the superior girl. But when you actually take a look at her appearance ingame, she's about as brown as Shantae is.
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050252>>16050296 >>16050302
>>16050243
>she's about as brown as Shantae is.
not quite. This sounds like some insecure fanfiction.
▶ 6d43c2 (4) No.16050302>>16050310
>>16050252
The evidence is right here >>16050168
Use a color picker if you want. Shantae's sprites and Asha's sprites have similar brightness.
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16050305
>>16050296
dickskin:skinskin
▶ 32d1f9 (6) No.16050310>>16050373 >>16050434
>>16050302
>>16050296
seems like it's not about as. Looks pretty different from here.
▶ 03e7b5 (3) No.16050373>>16050434
>>16050310
>pretty different
One has a hue of 31, a saturation of 52, and a value of 93. The other has a hue of 38, a saturation of 47, and a value of 87. This is not describable in any way as "pretty different". They're almost identical in hue.
▶ f0048b (5) No.16050434>>16050588
>>16050310
left looks skin tone is more eastern asian
right looks more tanned fair skintone
>>16050373
>unable to eyeball color
▶ 03e7b5 (3) No.16050588>>16050610
>>16050434
>unable to contradict data
▶ f0048b (5) No.16050610
>>16050588
>not realizing the HSV model was dumbed for humans and instead offering the RGB values like an some autist who cannot comprehend the differences of light
▶ 89da4f (1) No.16050642>>16051305
>Derailing a monster boy thread just so you can have this bullshit screechfest for the umpteenth time
Jesus Christ.
Wasn't there an also recently released fangame? Slime Guy or Boy or something?
▶ cad076 (7) No.16051305
>>16050642
>Derailing a monster boy thread just so you can have this bullshit screechfest for the umpteenth time
Shantae fans.
>Wasn't there an also recently released fangame?
I wish I could search games similar to Monster World but Monster Hunter: World has done a number on the desirable search results.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051346>>16051358
>>16049906
>I really liked the look, a nice recreation and reinterpretation of the classic style. It still managed to feel like its own thing with the curvy and elaborate background design while being full of tasteful callbacks.
I guess I'm calling this from the anime intro. Though if you look at Jin's face when doing a down stab, it looks kinda potato in quality. Not saying the art is bad, just needs tightened up a lot more.
>You got them mixed up, Monster Boy is MWV technically. MW4 had a really nice fan translation and also an official translation, both are good. MW3/Wonder Boy in Monster World is great as is the Dragon's trap (MW2) and Wonder Boy III/Monster Lair on the PCE CD and Genesis are also great. As much as I have a soft spot for Sega systems the PCE is remarkable especially for the soundtrack. We lost something remarkable when Westone closed their doors but Sega has done a great job of keeping their legacy alive
Right, the naming scheme for this series is confusing, as is it responsible for things like Adventure Island. I'm sure all the ex-Westone employees are spread out to other development teams. Does Sega really have the rights to the Wonder Boy series, though? I see them in copyright mentions, but it's kinda hard to believe.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051348>>16051358
>>16050165
Made by Hudson, right?
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051353
>>16050173
He's probably one of the crowd of skinheads that make up 8chan as a whole, constantly bombarding everyone with Nazi propaganda and war politics. Probably can't stand that he's got shitskin neighbors, but he's blind to the beauty a woman of color can achieve.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051356
>>16050169
Can't really tell if there's much of an improvement there. The shading on the old style was garbage, of course, but the new style "toon" shading isn't the greatest thing either.
▶ cad076 (7) No.16051358>>16051365
>>16051348
Yeah, Hudson did their own thing with it.
>>16051346
>I see them in copyright mentions, but it's kinda hard to believe.
Sega's been really flexible with the classic properties they hold on to. Sometimes for the worse but they often surprise me to the point that I'm confident in their handling of it. It's complicated, right? At the time Westone owned the game play and plenty of others licensed that out from them and all they did was re-do some art and change the title. Sega owned the name and characters however. Westone went under in 2014 and they hadn't really done much that stood out to me since the Saturn.
Not to mention the series creator worked on Monster Boy now.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051363
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051365>>16051369
>>16051358
>they hadn't really done much that stood out to me since the Saturn.
What did they do on the Saturn? I'm intrigued.
▶ cad076 (7) No.16051369>>16051375 >>16051376
>>16051365
Wochenroder, a steam punk styled strategy RPG.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051375>>16051376
>>16051369
Turns out to be Wachenröder. Looks pretty dope. Wish there was a fan translation.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051376>>16051771
>>16051369
>>16051375
This is some Final Fantasy type bullshit here.
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16051771>>16051811
>>16051376
Wachenröder's art team was god-tier. I love all those sculpted models they made. They had a (minor) member of King Crimson on the soundtrack, too.
The game was released extremely late in the Saturn's lifecycle, even for Japan, and right in the middle of PSX Final Fantasy fever. I don't think it ever really stood a chance.
The Saturn hacking community is unfortunately extremely nascent, there's zero translation patches for the system. We don't even have Princess Crown, though it'll be the PSP version if we ever get it.
▶ f9200a (10) No.16051811>>16051890
>>16051771
Someone finally unlocked all the assembly or code or whatever for the Saturn 3 years ago, right?
▶ 0f0ea7 (7) No.16051890
▶ c75789 (1) No.16052211>>16055377
Don't have time to read the whole thread, but reminder that the guy who made Wonder Boy worked on this game so it is absolutely Wonder Boy VI Monster World V
>>16050126
Monster World starts in Wonder Boy 2, Wonder Boy in Monster Land, and the last Monster World before the game this thread is focused on was not Wonder Boy at all. I also believe the arcade game Wonder Boy III Monster's Lair does not take place in Monster World. The arcade game is a completely different game from Wonder Boy the Dragon's Trap
So, there is one more Wonder Boy game over Monster World, and they are not all a part of both series. In this, not all MW games feature Wonder Boy, and not all Wonder Boy games take place in MW.
▶ 69b6a8 (3) No.16055377>>16055388
>>16052211
If anything the number of named legends it has working on it should be enough to catch most peoples interest.
▶ a6181b (3) No.16055388>>16055391
>>16055377
I agree. It seems like it's really under the radar, too, but maybe that's because I only come here.
▶ 69b6a8 (3) No.16055391>>16055430
>>16055388
Yeah, but this is largely a PC gamer forum so they avoid even good games if they're not on PC. This will be eventually but the Dragon's Trap remake garnered maybe 2 threads if I recall, both filled with cynics claiming the SMS version being better despite it only running at 30FPS, clearly the most educated people.
▶ f0e389 (1) No.16055412>>16055432
You ever find a game initially appealing and figure you would eventually get around to playing it but then because shills are desperately shilling it all the time you actually become averted from everything about it and decide to never even pay it?
▶ a6181b (3) No.16055430>>16055439
>>16055391
Yeah but there's still a considerable amount of discussion on console games, old games too. While this isn't old it has old game credentials
I'm trying to find it in a store right now and I've been sol for the past two weeks everywhere I go.
Wish me luck
▶ 0a9e2d (2) No.16055432
>>16055412
I played the Westone games and Takeshi's Diabetic Fat Fuck Island reskin before the indie garbage was announced back as a kid so no, you're not wrong.
▶ 0a9e2d (2) No.16055439>>16055516
>>16055430
>While this isn't old it has old game credentials
You sound fucking retarded.
▶ bf5934 (2) No.16055440
>>16050197
Super Adventure Island and Super Adventure Island (2005) are named differently in Japanese. Also, Super Adventure Island 2 is more like a Monster World game than the other Adventure Islands.
▶ a6181b (3) No.16055516
>>16055439
Okay but I'm not wrong
▶ f9200a (10) No.16055568>>16055569
Christ, the first "real" dungeon in Monster World IV is longer than I expected it to be.
▶ 69b6a8 (3) No.16055569
>>16055568
pretty lengthy game overall.