/v/ - Video Games

>>16019304

>Under rated.

>When everyone says its one of the best games on the Wii.

Faggot please.

>foot faggotry

>>16019307

>When everyone

Really? Where? When it was released almost no one mentioned it except maybe a TTYD fan who would be upset by it and it still isn't mentioned nearly as much as the other Mario RPGs. Even the bad paper mario games are talked about more due to the outrage they caused and of course these days making a super meta video game got huge thanks to Undertale but undertalefags likely never played Paper Mario.

>hurrr, it subverts your expectations!

>This is good!

The best Mario game of all time is Mario Odyessey because it doesn't try to do any post-modern bullshit gimmicks like faking out the player, it just gives you everything you could want out of a Mario game and more.

Paper Mario is also massively praised among the Phil Fish, smell your own farts, crowd. If anything Paper Mario is overrated and it's due for a good shitting on.

>my post was too good to stay in the existing Paper Mario thread

>>16019304

Why hello there faggot >>16019192

>>16019329

Considering subverting your expectations is the new indie game fad and since they fail horribly at it because going into it people know what it's trying to do, I think the one game that did it the best deserves to be recognized for it. Especially since it is a solid game even without any of that. If undertale can be Tumblr and reddits top rated game of all time simply because it's "Subversive" maybe an actual good game deserves a bit of notice that also did it and did it better?

Oh yeah, and Meta shit sucks, btw. Being able to reference the inner workings and outer workings of the stuff you make isn't clever, it's not creative, it's just deconstructive and lazy. Meta bullshit is only enjoyed by critics because it makes them feel like their job actually matters, when it doesn't. The world doesn't need any more ironically, self-refrential, overly aware pop-culture homages or references, what it needs, whatit is severely lacking, is genuine content. Stuff that isn't making fun of itself, stuff that isn't ironic, stuff that truly believes in beauty and virtue. The last fucking thing we need is another smarmy faggot telling us he's too fucking clever to be making a children's video game or a fantasy story or something.

>>16019324

>>16019365

Why the fuck are you talking about Undertale out of nowhere? What does that have to do with Paper Mario?

>>16019417

Probably because OP is a retard who can only discuss things in their relation to pop culture or memes.

>>16019341

>>16019335

>Newfags think they are clever for being able to notice that related posts on the same board might be related

>>16019431

>>16019417

Maybe actually read the OP instead of asking questions you can get answered by reading?

>>16019452

We read your post, and it sucked. Now kill yourself.

>It was basically a better Undertale before undertale existed

pls die

It's mediocre at best.

<has the most shallow battle system for an RPG possible, even fucking sticker star had different ways to handle a situation other than "just jump on it until it dies"

<in fact the battle system is so shit that it fucking breaks the game, the forced 2D perspective only exists because it would be fucking balls to have to jump to fight enemies with TTYD esque controls in a 3d space and it ruins the level design, making every area samey platforming and backtracking for puzzle solutions

<no partners

<story is just some intern's romeo and juliet ripoff that the game takes you out of the action to explain in text dumps because it isn't competent enough to explain it to the player naturally or through subtext

<general aesthetic is fucking ass

<marks the start point of the series being about paper that just happens to be mario, rather than mario that just happens to be paper

>>16019457

Not an argument. Take your shitposting back to cuckchan.

>>16019460

I didn't say they were. I said that it did these things while also being a good game and doing it better than other games that tried to do it. Your reading comprehension is shit.

>>16019547

>"just jump on it until it dies"

I guess that makes every other Mario game bad then doesn't it?

Shouldn't have made this thread while the kiddies are out of school OP. Talking about vidya and not internet drama is a no no after the 3rd exodus.

>>16019598

< It was basically a better Undertale before undertale existed but didn't blow up because it was released before tumblr was invented.

>OP's not a kid and/or baiting

>>16019311

That's the gamecube one though.

>>16019304

>not playing superior Thousand Year Door

Weak bait.

>>16019633

I did, but there are thousands of Thousand Year Door threads and it has been talked to death. Super Paper Mario is also great but was different so it isn't talked about as much.

>>16019644

>he didn't have his first cum to Vivian

>he didn't stroke himself off to rule 34 fantasies from the japanese version saying Vivian was a boy

Weak b8

>>16019558

But bosses were never the most important part of any mario platformer, they were always either the exclamation point on the difficulty of the rest of the level or merely another obstacle baked into that platforming. In a mario platformer they're just the last aspect of the challenge of a castle, in SPM the bosses are the challenge in themselves. I mean look at this shit. This is the final boss. In comparison, by this point in TTYD you have a shitload of badges, skills, partners, you have a lot of ways to handle the last challenge. In SPM you just jump 'em to death.

>>16019558

You forgot the fact that its an rpg not a platformer. You really must be retarded

>>16019637

>Calls people kids for not liking a tumblr kids game.

OK FAGGOT

>>16019675

>Paper Mario

>Tumblr kids game

I know you are underage but you should at least be able to use google.

>>16019673

>It's an RPG not a platformer

I didn't realize a game could only be one or the other. See above faggot.

>>16019671

>Literally using "It's different" as an argument

Thousand Year Doorfags really are autism supreme.

>>16019745

Okay fag, then explain what you see in that boss fight. Explain why it's good - or even passable - from a pure gameplay perspective. Don't mention plot at all.

The soundtrack's fucking fantastic.

The Thousand Year door has one of the best stories of all games, is one of the most clever, and despite being an old game has well-aged graphics and very dynamic and varied environments, far more than 99% of games, including Skyrim.

>>16019770

Not that anon but it has multiple stages with multiple forms of attack.

>>16019304

What it lost in visual style, it definitely made up for in writing. I liked the combat well enough too.

>>16019770

Explain why the final boss to Mario 64 is good without mentioning the story.

>>16019801

TTYD had that too, and had denser gameplay to boot.

>>16019825

Nigger I just explained that mario platformer bosses aren't that important. Learn to read.

>>16019825

It builds on the previous two Bowser battles in a satisfactory way while increasing the challenge. Of course in most Mario games the level leading up to a boss fight is more of a boss than the actual boss. That holds true in Mario 64 as well.

>>16019849

>Having bad bosses doesn't matter for this Mario game but matters for this other Mario game for some reason

The bosses in Super Paper Mario are better than the ones in the Platformers.

>>16019858

>Doing a shitty thing 3 times is ok because each time you have to do it more

>>16019870

>Of course in most Mario games the level leading up to a boss fight is more of a boss than the actual boss.

>That holds true in Mario 64 as well.

>>16019329

it doesn't really have wide, open levels, though, not counting the hub worlds

its just a bunch of obstacle courses one right after the other, or at least thats what I've gathered from reading about it on /v/, but at least it has sequence breaking in at least one place, I'll give it that

does it even have legit alternate paths?

>>16019329

>If anything Paper Mario is overrated and it's due for a good shitting on.

Reverse hipsterism is just as bad as regular hipsterism.

>>16019864

It doesn't for mario platformers because - as I explained earlier and you didn't bother reading - they're not intended to be especially memorable. In fact they're usually considered an afterthought. In an RPG especially bosses are considered more important because they're a way for the game to assure that the player is good at the game because there's rarely other opportunities to test their skill.

>The bosses in Super Paper Mario are better than the ones in the Platformers.

That isn't an accomplishment.

>>16019891

It's like how when you're about to orgasm it feels so great but when you cum you feel nothing at all.

Sex is overrated

>>16019895

Reverse reverse hipsterism, where you claim a game is good because you sense there's a coming wave of hipsters going to bash an already well liked game, is even worse.

>>16019901

prove Super Paper Mario is an RPG nigger

you can't

it's actually the first in the current series, Paper Mario, the original series was called Mario Story in Japan

>>16019892

>does it even have legit alternate paths?

Yes, and tons of non-legit ones. It has a decently high skill ceiling as you can see demonstrated by speedrunners, but it rarely if ever requires such effort from the player. I wonder how long until Switch emulation allows the creation of custom levels?

>>16020273

You wanna give source for that, Anon? Reverse image search isn't give me shit.

>>16020296

>prove Super Paper Mario is an RPG nigger

Prove that it isn't.

>>16020308

She's from precure, makoto kenzaki/cure sword, no idea which doujin though.

>>16020338

you're the one who claimed it is and whose whole argument revolves around it being one, I just provided evidence that it's not even in the same series as the previous games, and all you can respond with is

<n-no u

get the fuck outta here

>>16020394

I've done every hole in a fucking thanksgiving cornucopia of women and I can affirm that the best orgasms are the ones I've given to myself. I've heard going gay gives superior pleasure because men actually know how to suck dick but I'm just not that into stubble.

Though I will admit the vagina is comfy as fuck, far superior to the anus.

>>16019365

>If undertale can be Tumblr and reddits top rated game of all time simply because it's "Subversive"

Because no one was impressed by the game's soundtrack and that most of the game was done by one guy.

>>16020449

What? It won an indie game soundtrack of the year award, anon

>>16020474

He was being sarcastic. The anon he's replying to said it was popular only because it was 'subversive,' and the anon you're replying to is pointing out that the soundtrack and project size were also things that drew people in. Learn to read contextually, nigger.

I loved Super Paper Mario but it was still the beginning of the end of the series. TTYD was still a lot more fun and I wish Paper Mario would finally go back to this style of game.

I absolutely loved SPMs story and style, but the gameplay has been way too easy and shallow. I guess some of the many puzzles were nice, but the entire ""partner"" system was built around those puzzles and because of that, the partners were utterly uninspired. But in return, you got Peach, Bowser and Luigi not just as partners but playable characters and being able to play as Bowser always adds back some lost points - even though, again, he made the fights be way too easy.

I'm probably gonna replay it at some point, but I'm just gonna say it: It would have been better if this game never existed and Paper Mario wouldn't have strayed from the path it has been on.

>>16020580

I mean, if we're talking hotlands and CORE, sure. On the bright side, and this is only really inferrence but maybe parts of the game won't have to be rushed because of butterdragon faggotry in Deltarune.

>>16020432

I don't have time for schizos anon

>>16020594

I don't think one characters addition was that big of a set back. No interest in playing deltarune, too much baggage and the game doesn't look very interesting. Plus I'm not Japanese so touching it would give me an unfortunate association.

>>16020601

No no, you see the butterdragon faggot dropped like $5000 on the game to get his self insert stuck in the game and wanted his own area and shit on a tier that was supposed to be for a homestuck fancharacter, which was likely only going to appear for one screen and from what I heard is that he was threatening to pull his funding if he didn't get what he wanted, but eventually the game got more than enough funding so butterfag got shoved in an encounter that'll only happen one day a year for around ~1min

>>16020596

Go ahead and try to worm your way out of a coherent statement. You had no argument and were only trying to muddy the waters.

>>16020652

Make an actual argument. If Super Paper Mario killed the series than the rest of the games would be platformers with a ton of story.

All the modern PM games are turn based and have no story.

>>16019901

Your argument is based on what an RPG "Should" be. You can't actually explain how the game is bad other than going NOT MUH

>>16020590

If SPM didn't exist sticker star would have just come out sooner. The issues SPM has are completely different than the ones Sticker Star and color splash have.

>>16020902

It's the game where they decided "lets stray from what we used to do" and it went well enough to keep them on that path, but not well enough to stick with the idea SPM used.

>>16020927

There was a third traditional PM planned that got abandoned because of SPM. There is at least a chance that they would have went with that if SPM didn't exist. But of course that isn't a guarantee that Nintendo wouldn't have found a way to fuck that up, too.

>>16019675

But he was saying Mario was better than Undertale. Do you read posts, or do you just see the word "Undertae" and immediately screech?

>>16020916

I'm saying what I think an RPG "should" be because I think an RPG "should" be fun. SPM isn't fun. It's a slog. It's the developers trying to squeeze as much variety as possible out of a gimmick that went stale after the first world. Of course I'd be going NOT MUH, because this is what replaced a perfectly fine game formula. What do you want me to tell you?

>>16020974

>it's a slog

No more so than many parts of the other Paper Mario games. There are parts where fighting random enemies feels like a grind. I like Thousand Year door but they could have cut out 50% of the enemy encounters and it would only help the game. You are ok with TYD doing it because you have been conditioned to be ok with padding in turn based games. It's easier to avoid unwanted fights in SPM and overall felt less grindy because of it.

>>16021023

You can avoid almost all non-scripted fights in TTYD, so it's a non issue. You don't have to grind either because you can just git gud with superguarding. Most of the scripted fights manage to be fun anyway with neat gimmicks, and if you learn how to do stylish moves you can make the fights go even faster. When is a scripted fight in SPM ever fun?

>>16020394

stfu normalfag

>>16020639

no you are the the worm, kike, I asked you to prove how Paper Mario is an RPG and you dodged the question continually

>>16021601

*Super Paper Mario, which is a DIFFERENT SERIES from Mario Story

>>16019329

Mario Odyssey is passable at best, the entire game is built around rewarding the player for making a minimal effort.

>>16021612

>implying soyboys want to play anything that requires effort

God, I'm going to be the next >(80+) at this rate.

>>16021601

I'm just asking you what you believe the genre of Super Paper Mario is. Why are you being so obtuse? I don't give a shit, once I get my answer I'll refine my argument. You're the expert on game genres, not me. I just assumed it was trying to be like an RPG.

>>16021602

>DIFFERENT SERIES from Mario Story

Yeah, they just usurped basically fucking everything from Mario Story except for the gameplay. Also - if I get what you're trying to tell me - it coincidentally happened to take on the same exact name as the western localized name for "both" series. Fuck off.

>>16019304

It has the best Paper Mario story but not much else worthwhile.

>>16021692

So what is it then?

>>16021695

AN ACTION-ADVENTURE GAME YOU ILLITERATE NIGGER

>>16021698

Was that so hard?

Okay, so it's not actually a Mario Story game, it's it's own thing that rid off the success of the Mario Story duology. And it prevented a third Mario Story, according to >>16020947. For obvious reasons we're not going to see another go at Mario Story, so for all intents and purposes Paper Mario took over Mario Story.

Honestly this whole shit sounds like splitting hairs to me. It's the kind of thing that you'd only care about if you were in an internet argument like this one. If you're still going to force me to consider them as two different properties then that means that I'm going to have to accept that this mess of a game permanently prevented a game that I want to play from coming into existence, and it isn't even in the same series, which pisses me off even more. It's the thing that killed Mario Story. Do you really want me to accept that?

And it's an action-adventure game. Okay, it's an action-adventure game with worse combat, bosses, and level design than an RPG. Also it has one of the most tryhard stories in Nintendo's history. Do you feel accomplished for getting that out of me?

>>16020611

imagine being this wrong

butterdragon is a literal living shitpost.

>>16021788

That nigger deserves the rope even more than other furries, honestly.

Since we're talking about Paper Mario, did the original game require the use of the control stick? I've been thinking of replaying it on an emulator and I'd rather not use my analog controller. Also what is the least shit N64 emulator

>>16021858

Nearly every N64 game used the analog stick for movement

>>16021859

But did it require it? It's an RPG, it might work with the dpad alone.

>>16019801

That doesn't make it a good boss, though. When you design a boss you should either have the intention in mind of testing what the player has learned throughout the game or at least providing some challenge to them, if not both. The final boss in SPM might be sufficient as a first level boss but not as the boss of the entire game. Even putting those two very basic design principles aside, the majority of that 11:43 clip is cutscenes, so can you even call it a boss? You could've just made the entire sequence a cutscene and nothing would've been lost.

>>16021858

yes

>>16021747

I wasn't trying to get anything out of you you dumb cunt, just saying you can't criticize it for NOT being an RPG when it wasn't trying to. You are seriously fucked in the head or something. You hound me for several posts asking me to tell you what genre it is, and when I provided several pieces of evidences you throw a fucking tantrum. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>Also it has one of the most tryhard stories in Nintendo's history.

You know who else though that? Miyamoto, who killed Mario Story because of it, forcing IS to start making story-less Paper Mario games instead of going back to Mario Story like they had planned. Congratulations, you share your opinions with the guy who killed the original series.

>>16021097

You "can" but in reality you will either still deal with a lot of unfun battles or need certain items. Scripted battles make up a minority of fights and many fights are repetitive.

>>16021982

>When you design a boss you should either have the intention in mind of testing what the player has learned throughout the game

Throwing bowser in no way did this in M64

>>16023486

>Bowser in SM64 was a weak boss

That doesn't change the fact that the final boss in SPM was jumping on the boss a few times and a handful of cutscenes.

Furthermore, I don't argue against Bowser being a weak boss in SM64, but he at least provided some challenge (albeit small) to the player. The first and second encounters weren't much to speak of, but each successive encounter took the basic format of the first one and built upon it for the final battle. At bare minimum, it requires just a little bit more thought than "jump on this boss to get 8 minutes of cutscenes" and was also more exciting than a boss standing in the middle of a room doing virtually nothing.

>>16023805

>the fact that the final boss in SPM was jumping on the boss a few times

Yeah, it was a platformer. How do you think he should have been killed if not by getting jumped on?

>>16023813

>How do you think he should have been killed if not by getting jumped on?

Gee I dunno. In a Paper Mario game, which throws a plethora at tools at you in the form of partners, and furthermore in the game that allows you to change what character you're playing as so that you can do something crazy like utilize even half of those abilities in the final challenge of the game, what could you possibly do besides jumping?

Just accept facts. The final boss in SPM was weak even by SPM's standards. Almost every boss that comes before it is far more compelling of a battle.

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>>16021858 here

I gave it a try and got through the first chapter or two. It uses the stick only, dpad doesn't do anything. However, so far I have had no problems mapping my controller's dpad to the N64's analog stick. Hopefully there won't be any minigames or battle action mechanics that require more precise analog control.

>>16023345

I was showing you that your claim that it wasn't an RPG didn't mean shit. You were acting like everything I said hinged on my belief that it was, and by getting me to say that it wasn't then I'd be fucked. But it was just something I brought up at the time for a small comparison. You're the one who emphasized it so hard.

>You know who else though that? Miyamoto, who killed Mario Story because of it, forcing IS to start making story-less Paper Mario games instead of going back to Mario Story like they had planned.

I agree with that theory. That's why I wish this game wasn't made. It's done nothing good.

>>16023484

Can you give some examples?

>>16020652

thats gay and youre retarded

sacrifice yourself

>>16020580

What is this? It looks really cute.

>>16025597

scrap story

>>16025665

Thanks, how come I haven't heard of this before? It looks great.

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>>16025695

probably the same reason half the catalog isnt about video games.

>>16025695

Probably because it hasn't been released yet. It looks really promising though. It also looks like a lot of work.

>>16035562

maybe not if she eats a star vagina pill

No it wasn't. It was… pretty mediocre, and an incredible disappointment after the previous two entries that were legitimately amazing games. It wasn't Sticker Star bad, but it was the first bad Mario RPG, and the start of the series decline.

>>16035335

post more shadow peach

>>16038687

Shouldn't she be taking care of her kids?

>>16038687

>nipple piercings

Absolutely disgusting.

>>16023935

They should've just made SMB 4 with twice the suits instead of this garbage. Yoshi sucks, the cape is gay, and the level variety is bland compared to SMB 3.

>>16038687

I hope you didn't post this unironically