/v/ - Video Games

>being autistic

>>15981471

>this series

isn't it just one game?

>>15981696

The original game stopped being worked on and the original devs started working on Super Mario Fusion, basically the same mish mash but all the levels are centered on Mario in order to avoid balance issues.

>>15981661

>Not expectng autism on /v/

>>15981706

>Super Mario Fusion

oh is that still going?

I'd fuse my "Mushroom Kingdom" with Tails if you know what I mean, ehehe he

>>15981809

>autistic pride

i don't understand how you can be proud of something that you had no control over.

t. asperger subhuman

BEHOLD, A LEGACY

>>15981825

i'm certainly not gonna raise that flag

despite the gradient colors

>>15981823

is that series still dead.

>>15981817

"Pride" is a word that has multiple meanings depending on context. It can be a feeling of accomplishment or as a simple antonym of "shame". When people use it for gay pride and shit like that, it just means a refusal to be ashamed.

It's just one of those ambiguities in the English language, like "free" meaning either unrestrained or without cost.

>>15981860

>harass a fag

>you cant hurt me i have pride!

>still ends up upset, cries about it later, swallows more estrogen

>>15981914

>I want you to be proud anon, fly that fag!

maybe when i finish of my own fangames.

>>15981834

Yes. Indefinitely delayed.

I enjoyed playing this as Tails back when only 4 characters were available.

>>15981834

>>15982151

There's another new animator who's trying to revitalize the whole thing. So far it seems alright, but it lacks the same energy SMBZ had and has plenty of room for improvement.

>>15981716

I think it's finished, judgespear took his toys and went home, so to say, and just made a mario fangame, as in with just mario as a playable character. Ironic, since a lot of autism that eventually killed the game, like a fucking shmup world, came from him

Honestly back in the day I just wished that JS would go back to MUGEN stuff. This game didn't look that entertaining to me, and now SMBX does the same concept anyway.

>>15983866

he didn't have any direction, he let everybody pile up any bullshit ideas that they wanted, without a plan for how any of it is actually going to be put in the game. Rather than focusing on designing and planning levels that will be put in the game, he wanted more and more "original" concepts added in. SHMUP world, which would take hours of programming and asset creation, which would be enough to actually add a whole lot of content into the game, programming in more and more characters(To the point that the characters that were originally planned, like kirby and samus, never made it in, but memes like vile or ryu from ninja gaiden did), adding in more and more levels, as well as as making really long fucking levels that the engine barely supported. This dragged on and on until people stopped caring, left the project, and who was left was left with so much work, that they would never realistically finish it by themselves. Nobody wanted anything scrapped, and developers just kept adding in shit they wanted, without plans to ever finish anything else that was planned, which like I said, lead to it's downfall.

Judgespear made an entirely mario centered smb3 styled fangame, which I think he released, last I checked, if that asshole did just that in the first place, we would have MKF years ago. He had help from many talented people, including Hello, as in the creator of the hello engine, and a great amount of effort went into making MKF, but it was never finished, and probably will never be finished, unless somebody scales it down.

So, tl:dr, to answer your question? Judgespear had a chance to do what people only dreamed of, took a shit on it, left the project to die, and then finished the project, on a much smaller scale, anyways. All he and others had to do was be a little more professional, and we would have what I have no doubt would be the best mario fangame ever made

>>15983949

Yeah, you can tell he really didn't know what he was doing. Project on a scale of MKF, he really wasn't ready for this.

>>15984250

To elaborate, by "Making more and more levels" I mean brand new levels. As in, levels that were planned as much as years ago were left alone, but more and more levels the designers just thought up of were added in, to the point where a world that was originally going to have 12-30 levels had about 80 or so planned for it, I could be wrong but something like that, anyways

>>15983242

>that eventually killed the game, like a fucking shmup world,

how, shmup mechanics are even easier to program than platforming

>>15985063

which is why they were never programmed into the game, and the whole idea was scrapped

the only reason why that even made it into the game is because judgespear is a sperg about shmups, it was a dumbass idea, and with 10-dozens of characters they wanted in, creating a ship and balancing the game for every one of them would be time consuming and fruitless

>>15985114

>judgespear is a sperg about shmups,

nothing wrong with that

he and 2hu are the reason i'm even interested in STGs.

>it was a dumbass idea,

>and with 10-dozens of characters they wanted in, creating a ship and balancing the game for every one of them would be time consuming and fruitless

again, STG is trivial to code.

>>15985165

>Make a platformer

>Have one world dedicated to a one-off game mechanic that will never be seen again outside of it

>Spend hours creating code and balancing out the game so that 10+ unique ships can pass the stages

That time could have been spend on actually finishing the fucking game. It was a dumb idea, and it was only ever entertained because the game "lead" wanted it in

The world was later replaced with generic sci fi shit(and halo ringworld was turned to something else, fantasy world I think), so even the devs realized the idea was unrealistic and stupid

>>15985191

>that will never be seen again outside of it

alright that's dumb

>>15985683

Of course it's retarded, even judgespear back down and said he basically wanted it in because shmups make his willie feel funny

The entire development process was like this, they laid out a good game plan on what they want to do, then they kept adding on to it without making much progress on what they already promised, and some devs straight up just added in whatever the fuck they wanted, ignoring everything else, until it became a mess nobody wanted to be associated with. This is why you need deadlines and benchmarks, or you end up with this mess, MKF is like Duke Nukem Forever of fan games

>>15981471

Most characters were fun, too bad it suffered from clooision and lag issues, weird collision of elements from games, and some levels just fucking sucked.

>>15985893

>JS heading it, who had proven himself capable of promising something decent and delivering on it.

shmups world was a retarded idea, something he wanted in, and it was the catalyst for everything else that followed. JS wanted this, somebody else who did good bulk of the work wanted that, and it kept adding up, he set the precedent that you can add whatever shit you want. And like I said, the world, should it actually make it into the game, would add nothing, feel out of place, and eat up valuable hours that could be spend elsewhere

>>15985897

It should go without saying the shmups world is a retarded idea for a game that was centrally designed for platforming, but that's what happens when you open up the idea guy floodgates. Any retarded idea becomes viable and every deadline gets pushed back by the process of breaking down each person's autistic hubris about their own ideas of what the game should be and what features it should have. Hindsight is 20/20, but it should have been damn obvious JS would try to put shmup shit in the game if everyone else was allowed to just add whatever they wanted without some kind of editorial process or impunity, considering how much of a fucking sperg he is about shmups.

>>15985910

yeah. I'm still mad, the original concept for the game was fucking neato, they should have just bunkered down and finished that concept, then keep adding in new levels and characters, if they wanted to, even back around 2.0, their draft for the final game was huge, and by 2.5, it was already getting retarded

>>15986022

mkf was a bit different, everybody was the idea guy, including JS. Really, they didn't have a clear vision, aside from "mario visits levels from different games" to "Various videogame characters visit levels from different games, in a mario like fashion". There never were any hijackers because nobody knew what the project was going to be about, aside from whatever they were working on at the moment. Again, I blame JS on this, because it was clear that he didn't know what he was doing, he just made a few cool levels and wanted people to help him make a game out of the concept.

>>15986039

it's a pretty sad and common pitfall that community projects have, yeah. If there's no strong leader with a plan who is willing to take the editorial reins and tell people to fuck off then you'll likely end up with a dead project. Hell, it's not even a community thing. One-man projects can easily suffer from bloat death if you don't have the personal control to not chase every dumb idea that flutters into your head. Just look at fucking Yandere Sim for proof of what being an impulsive retarded kike with no self control does to a project.

>>15986039

>mario visits levels from different games. Various videogame characters visit levels from different games, in a mario like fashion

Acceptable. Extremely challenging. Pointless if it's just a reskinned Mario with a Sonic wig. https://pastebin.com/gVGP8j1i

More than 2 distinct gameplay characters was already too much. 10+ is overkill beyond overkill. Add on top of that some massive utter shit level design prevalent in the latter updates and we get a really boring and frustrating game with nothing good going on for it.

Fever Las Vegas is the most definitive example of where everything went wrong.

>>15986200

imho, they should have severely limited the characters. Mario, Luigi, Sonic, Tails, Arthur, and a few other characters should have been enough(Roll, Ryu and maybe kirby or rayman would have had enough variety to keep things interesting)

Really, a lot of levels from world 2 were fucking horrible, even if it was interesting to play them from the perspective of all the different characters, you could clearly tell some of them were developed for certain characters rather than others

Favourite levels, gentlemen? For me it's The Leviathan level.

>>15987731

i liked the watinga danmaku fight.

>>15987731

levels like ones from halo, doom ect.

>>15986022

accurate tbqhfamlam

I've seen this exact shit happen already on another project, how can some people be talented enough to make their own thing but dumb enough not to see this shit coming in the year of the lord 2019?

Is The Behemoth still the hardest stage in the game? or did it get dethroned?

>>15993360

>Is The Behemoth still the hardest stage in the game?

>behemoth

>hard

that stage is like medium for mkf.

>>15994817

>>15993360

at least in 2.0, doki doki panic one was the hardest for the mario bros, simply because it was long, and there were no power ups implemented yet

So where do I get access to the unreleased levels?

I think this deserves more discussion and interest.

>>16014086

>I think this deserves more discussion and interest.

>this

What, crossover fangames or fangame death by feature creep?

>tfw flash is dead

>>16026030>>16025891

>I think Sonic doesn't work on mario levels. And neither metroid does. This was a shit idea.

So what you're saying is that they should have gone the Sonic Adventure 2 route and have unique levels each character, tailored to their play style?

>>16026244

not him, but that would be too much work. plus, the charm of the game is seeing sonic go thru mario levels and vice versa