352e3b No.15956424
You ever just force yourself to play a game everyone says sucks just to see how bad it is but then you realize it's not as bad as people say it is? Post that game.
d3ff54 No.15956432
So you wanna say why its not as bad as everyone says it is?
a5280a No.15956451
>>15956432
The customizable spell system lets you do crazy shit once you have enough spell cards. I remember breaking the game with a spell that put a fire gravity vortex on whatever it hit, and also spawned physics-enabled rocks. The gravity vortex sucked in the rocks and pinned enemies under a pile of flaming rubble, and nothing in the game could effectively deal with it. The rest of the game is mostly single player MMO garbage, though.
1c2b1f No.15956455
Oh fuck off. Nobody thinks Two Worlds Two is bad. It's average, but nobody says it's bad. Two Worlds is the one people say is fucking awful. You're trying to be a contrarian but you can't even get that right.
2bb6b4 No.15956459
>>15956451
So, outside of one specific instance, it’s still a bad game. That’s what you’re saying. Kinda defeated the purpose of your own thread.
a5280a No.15956467
>>15956459
someone doesn't have ID colours turned on
4af071 No.15956471
>>15956455
>First game is bad
>Second is good
Any other games like this? Only ones I can think of are metal gear solid and halo. MGS 2 and halo 2 were better than the games before them.
631e8e No.15956495
>>15956455
The first two worlds wasn't that bad
>kill a bunch of bugs to raise your permanent hp
>commit mass genocide by proxy onto some weeb village
>collect all of the fucking katanas and stack them all together to cut through anything
>get really fucking mad and deal five times the damage
>poison anyone that gets in your way, summon golems and become INVINCIBLE after going through your magic cards
352e3b No.15956501
>>15956432
Basically what >>15956451 said and the multiplayer was somewhat fun when it actually had people playing it.
>>15956455
No dude plenty of people say it's a bad game. The only real praise it gets is the magic system and the fact of how the game was a step-up from Two Worlds. I don't know what world you're living in when you say "nobody thinks Two Worlds Two is bad".
d3ff54 No.15956576
7f13ea No.15956587
>>15956471
Diablo probably, also starcraft
ebfe7e No.15956590
>>15956471
>MGS1
>bad
You don't deserve a reaction image
81be49 No.15956628
Read that this game was one of the least liked out of the yugioh games. Got interested in it because it's a sort of a real time strategy game and said to myself how bad can it be?
Abandoned it halfway through Yugi's story. Though it's not a bad game it is plain, boring and slow.
46e5bb No.15956645
>>15956628
If you'd like to play a similar game, I'd recommend Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen.
e34ebb No.15956654
>>15956587
>starcraft 2 is better than starcraft 1/brood war
Kill yourself. You have terminal shit taste.
7cc7a2 No.15956660
Yes I have on occasion, and sometimes done the inverse. I've forced myself to master a bad game that everyone said was good just to be able to construct rock-solid arguments on exactly why it was bad. Pics related.
d87476 No.15956661
>>15956628
Isn't duelist of the roses pretty good?
7f13ea No.15956663
>>15956654
>better graphics
>3-d instead of 2d sprite trash
>koreans aren't dominating it
>constant support and updates
>co-op game modes
>always shifting the meta
no you
d87476 No.15956671
>>15956663
>2d sprite trash
>caring about online or meta
>he actually gave money to (((blizzard)))
d3ff54 No.15956673
>>15956587
>Diablo 1
>bad
>Starcraft 1
>bad or worse than Starcraft 2
I knew this thread would attract cancer but goddamn
7f13ea No.15956676
>>15956671
How would I play with my friends if it wasn't online anon? There isn't any other way other than maybe splitscreen.
7f13ea No.15956677
>>15956673
Diablo 2 wasn't as good as 3, but it was still a vast improvement over 1.
d3ff54 No.15956681
>>15956677
Ah, so you're baiting then.
You had me, gotta give you credit
d87476 No.15956687
>>15956677
>Diablo 2 wasn't as good as 3
e34ebb No.15956688
>>15956663
>shifting the meta always
By changing shit that doesn't need to be changed solely for the sake of change. That's not good design.
>co-op game modes
Shit.
>constant support and updates
The updates don't do anything but add stupid cosmetics and fuck up the design even more, and the 'support' is meaningless.
>koreans aren't dominating it
So what?
>3d instead of 2d
>better graphics
Caring about graphics over gameplay? Wow you're a nigger. You should truly kill yourself.
7f13ea No.15956695
>>15956688
Video games are for fun. If I can't tell my little zergling is tearing into the marine then how am I supposed to have fun? Change is very important anon, without it the game would grow stale and no one would play it.
c2cc63 No.15956715
>This way of playing games
You are playing the game with the smug expectation of being right instead of playing the game to see if it's really that bad or if it's really that good as people say and constructing your own opinion from your own experience. I'm not saying that the experience of others is worthless, but the moment you start playing games "to find arguments to shit on them" is when you are a contrarian who gets swayed by public opinion and either hates things just because they are popular, or pretends to like them just because they are not popular enough. Play a fucking game and make your own opinion faggot, don't be a closed-minded nigger that follows groupthink. Always allow yourself the possibility of being wrong in your mind, especially if people are telling you otherwise.
7cc7a2 No.15956734
>>15956715
I'm sure for most people they play something bad out of morbid curiousity. Then, after forming an opinion after having played it for a while, they keep playing in order to be firm in their convictions.
c2cc63 No.15956759
>>15956734
That is different, that is trying something out from actual curiousity with the idea that it might be bad in the head, you are still being open about the game then. Honestly this is problem of OP's wording, "You ever just force yourself to play a game everyone says sucks just to see how bad it is" sounds like he already has an opinion about the game and wants to smugly affirm it.
This said I admit that I might be just autistically peering into a bad choice of words and OP actually meant something else, but if that's the case he chose an awful way to convey it as it seems to imply that he started playing Two Worlds II just with the motivation of shitting on it.
219757 No.15956768
>>15956424
Kingdom Hearts
I always heard about the insane story, but the game itself was really enjoyable. I loved the enemy designs and how varied they were.
8c9425 No.15956792
Combat is ass, but I really enjoyed the environmental traversal and how you could mix it in with the combat.
Bosses are also fucking awful, the helicopter being the pinnacle of shittiness, but the final boss is kinda decent.
d3a73f No.15956926
>>15956424
I liked both the second and the first game (sans grass and shadows and reflections to be safe). If you bought full price, you'd be salty and rightfully so.
1e0469 No.15956966
Not even bullshitting. I enjoyed IW in spite of its issues. The black market biomods, the chances you get for screwing multiple sides over, and the early 2000s bump mapped visuals and lighting carried me through the game. Definitely inferior to DX1, but it's certainly better than DXMD.
1e0469 No.15956968
>>15956660
> I've forced myself to master a bad game that everyone said was good just to be able to construct rock-solid arguments on exactly why it was bad.
I know how that can be. Pic related.
858e77 No.15956969
>>15956424
I actually liked it, especially the world since it was really pretty and had some neat designs going on.
Like that whole Asian town/village, really damn pretty and i wish i were autistic enough to copy it to Sims 3.
7cc7a2 No.15956976
>>15956968
Redpill me on System Shock 2. Always been suspicious of the FPS-RPG "genre", but never played one.
c44ee7 No.15956978
Its a pedoweeb game I won't deny it- but that is right up my alley.
c44ee7 No.15956986
>>15956969
I played Two Worlds 2 as well. The art is alright, the story is serviceable. But the problem with low budget Slav games is their technical performance. Too much jank.
b3997d No.15957004
>it can't be that bad, and just look at how cute that girl is!
<its that bad
b5b827 No.15957018
>>15956968
>>15956660
I've enjoyed both of these immensely despite their flaws or bugs, what do you guys dislike about them
e16efc No.15957020
>>15957004
Dude it's a Slav game.
1e1d17 No.15957024
>>15957004
>calling x-blades bad.
the game was fine, stop regurgitating the opinion of journalists that gave the game a low score because it wasn't feminist enough.
8d4972 No.15957025
>>15956424
I don't really go out of my way to intentionally play bad games, but I played Daikatana during the apex of the hate that it got. Wasn't a bad game, it just was incredibly unremarkable. Mediocrity is probably worse than being terrible, because at least games can be memorably bad.
7cc7a2 No.15957028
>>15957018
Bad controls, bad inventory management, shallow mechanics, low overall game content, low mandatory game content, fundamentally broken mechanics (the fact that enemies can get critical hits on you, chance-based skill system even at 200% with game-ending failure consequences, ammo types in Fallout 1), and a seriously extreme amount of crippling bugs and unfinished content.
d3ff54 No.15957044
>>15957028
>bad controls
Nigger what? the controls were fine.They just took a little getting adjusted to but once you understand hotkeys exist the game increasingly becomes a breeze as you progress.
>shallow mechanics
In what way?
>Bad inventory management
Its not great I'll admit, but I never had problems with it to the point of actually irritrating me about it
>low overall game content
That's not true. The world is expansive enough and there's plenty of interesting possible random events, dialogues and whatnot. All the styles of play and perks and whatnot also help its level of content and replayability immensely
>low mandatory game content
Yes, but that's the beauty of a game like this. It allows for excellent sequence breaking and doing all sorts of crazy things
>fundamentally broken mechanics
yes it has some frustrating RNG, but its usually grossly in favor of the player and often to the point of the player more being able to break it to their advantage than anything else with all the clever things they can do
>bugs
didn't encounter any significant ones, a few irritating ones that ended up fixing themselves quickly
>unfinished content
There was some, but definitely not an "extreme amount"
1e0469 No.15957108
>>15957018
SS2 is just a massively inferior sequel to SS1, primarily in mechanics and level design. It improved in the sounds and atmosphere, but that's it.
7bd89a No.15957109
>>15956976
System Shock 2 is a poor man's Deus Ex
cae027 No.15957122
e28949 No.15957127
It was just an SRPG that took long to play, but it wasn't a bad game at all
b3997d No.15957133
>>15957024>>15957024
>stop regurgitating the opinion of journalists that gave the game a low score because it wasn't feminist enough.
This game came out way before that shit was prevalent in games journalism. I played the game myself, got to the second level or so and saw for myself why people thought the game was shit. Because it was
Cute girl though.
b3997d No.15957137
1e0469 No.15957142
>>15956976
It's a shittier game than SS1, plus it's the well spring of Ken Levine's pretentious meta narrative bullshit.
dd1249 No.15957166
>>15957133
Shitting on any game with sexy girls or Japanese origin was standard practice long before they went overboard with feminism.
b3997d No.15957174
>>15957166
Well I'm telling you they shat on this one for good reason; the sexy girl was the only thing the game had going for it.
1e1d17 No.15957184
>>15957133
>This game came out way before that shit was prevalent in games journalism.
>game was released in Russia as Oniblade in 2007, came out as X-Blades in 2009 for the us
if you believe that then you weren't really paying attention back then. 2009 is also the same year bayonetta came out, don't act like you don't remember the controversy around that. Anita practically built her reputation on 4chan with her shitty bayonetta and X-Blades criticism.
8aa641 No.15957191
If I had know it was going to go F2P, I would have used the dollar I spent on a bag of pork rinds instead.
7a205c No.15957212
>>15956677
I unironically think 3 is better than 2
1e1d17 No.15957226
>>15957166
>Shitting on any game with sexy girls or Japanese origin was standard practice long before 2014 feminism.
this and fixed
>>15957174
>Well I'm telling you they shat on this one for good reason; the sexy girl was the only thing the game had going for it.
the game was average (at the time) and (((game journalists))) even back then would pick-apart any average game to death, while shilling the same AAA or Indy crap they got paid/asked/sucked off to. and god forbid any female have sexy design just for the sake of sex appeal. every year it got worse until the jumping off point in 2014.
dd1249 No.15957228
>>15957174
That's not what we're discussing though.
270786 No.15957251
>>15957024
how do boobs work
7b1915 No.15957292
I played Other M because everyone said it sucked, and it wasn't as bad as they said. It was worse. Everyone complains about the story and character shit but nobody mentions how you have to change the way you hold the wiimote on the fucking fly during gameplay. I didn't even get far enough to be bothered by the writing. It's like if you were playing a fast paced Xbox or Playstation game and they made you hold the controller backwards for some actions. Absolutely retarded.
412374 No.15957304
Two Worlds is just boring. I own the game and the second one. You just get fucking bored as shit halfway through it.
219757 No.15957317
>>15957304
Did anybody here ever figure out how to play the music mini-games? The drum one was the only one I could play, the others were impossible.
16c7b6 No.15957322
>>15957069
>those fuck me eyes in the last image
I am fully erect
>>15957317
Playing on a keyboard, I assume? Those minigames were designed with controllers in mind, they really don't translate well to PC.
6c962a No.15957333
Detective Pikachu
though I don't really see anyone saying it sucks so much as anyone playing it at all
best way to describe it is it's a Pokémon ranger game but you don't battle and instead there are very simple logic puzzles and QTEs that you can fail leading to pikachu dying repeatedly or at the very least falling on his ass and calling you a shitty partner
dd1249 No.15957358
>>15957292
I can't touch 99% of Wii games because of motion controls, including Mario Galaxy or Prime 3. I'll never understand why anyone thought that shit was acceptable, it was a massive leap back in terms of control for the sake of having a gimmick.
d62c93 No.15957365
I was playing through the series to see how bad/casual it became over time, and heard how bad 3 was. I can understand why many people were angry about the ending of this game(it was on par with ME3 ending), but I didn't really care about that, the rest of the game(the past section) had some good ideas, like climbing trees, building and managing a settlement, giving your assassin underlings unique abilities(one of them would dress all of your underlings in british uniforms and "escort" you as a prisoner to your British target inside a fort). The ship combat was good(yes, I know about 4), the father-son relationship was interesting, and I wish we got to play as him, instead of the whinny half-indian bitch boy. The problem was, that all these ideas, like settlement building, ship combat, trading, were half-backed, and either felt rushed(like the underground tunnels bellow the city) or not utilized to their full potential.
9ae016 No.15957374
>>15957351
>Agents of Mayhem
>Got on winter sale and had a blast for 2 days. >Fun asf.
>Its basically a healthy man's SP warframe.
"Healthy man's SP warframe"
You smell of soy.
412374 No.15957402
>>15957358
Did you have the motion plus remotes? They are very accurate for what they are. Nintendo perfected motion controls with the switch though. It's amazing.
6c962a No.15957403
>>15957358
>including Mario Galaxy
What, you can't even flick your wrist?
4a2592 No.15957442
>>15957127
I played the demo years ago and remember it not being terrible but at the same time I was playing Valkyria Chronicles and wasn't too interested in it.
4cffcd No.15957454
rouge warrior, thought it'd be funny for the mickey rourke lines but the gameplay is so fucking mundane
dd1249 No.15957463
>>15957403
I can, I just would rather press a button than jitter in front of my TV. It's completely pointless and adds nothing to the game.
dd1249 No.15957471
>>15957402
I did. Accuracy wasn't the problem, I just didn't enjoy playing anything with motion controls. I haven't tried motion controls on my switch, I'm not convinced they do anything aside from poorly "reinvent the wheel." It's like teaching someone to walk by making them shake their leg with each step. Sure you can do so, but why would you?
7cc7a2 No.15957609
>>15957044
>Nigger what?
It's a tedious disconnected clickfest. You either click constantly to do anything (tedious) or you click once somewhere over there, sit on your hands, and watch the game play itself (disconnected).
>That's not true.
Oh but it is. Try playing a real goddamn RPG sometime. Fallout has a grand total of 6 locations that can be considered towns and only 6 dungeons in the entire game. Where others might have 20, 30, or even 40, Fallout is a fucking wasteland of content.
>Yes, but that's the beauty of a game like this. It allows for excellent sequence breaking and doing all sorts of crazy things
Please don't confuse non-linearity with the amount of mandatory content a game has. When your game has 7 dungeons to complete and they can be done in any order, that's 7x6x5x4x3x2x1=5,040 different ways to replay the game. When your game has 2 fucking dungeons that actually have to be completed to win the game such as Fallout, that's 2x1=2 ways to replay. Skipping a ton of content because "winning" the game is an utterly trivial feat is not the same thing as variability.
>didn't encounter any significant ones
There's a bug that everyone has to deal with when they play Fallout 1 whether they realize it or not. The bug is that the ammo types don't do a single thing, completely negating the meaning behind choosing the right ammo for the right situation. Another bug that both Fallout games have is one that inventory hoarders will encounter which progressively eats up the interface until it can corrupt save files. Fallout 2 also has some serious stability/slowdown issues in a number of areas of the game, particularly San Francisco.
Fallout has so much unfinished content that two game endings straight up don't work properly because the quests to activate them weren't finished.
3498d8 No.15957634
>>15957133
>This game came out way before that shit was prevalent in games journalism.
Nier came out not long after and I specifically remember Cuck Informer complaining that the game "thinks lingerie functions like armor." Or something to that affect.
d65789 No.15957658
>>15956455
>Nobody thinks Two Worlds Two is bad.
I nearly threw that game in the trash after 15 minutes.
d65789 No.15957692
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15956966
I actually love that game. Played it way more than 1, and didn't even finish Human Revolutions, or touch Mankind Divided.
Vid related is my choice. I loved the way the lightsaber was controlled with the right thumbstick.
d72227 No.15957695
>>15956695
>without it the game would grow stale and no one would play it.
That's the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever read, you can patch a multiplayer game all you want the way players play the game and even the maps they play will not change unless it's a drastic nerf or overhaul.
d65789 No.15957720
>>15957358
Same, I hate that shit. Every game that requires motion controls is fucking unplayable shite, to me. It's not that I couldn't conceivable finish a game that has them, it's just that I wouldn't at all enjoy using an inferior scheme when a perfectly good option should be available. So glad we're past that garbage.
>>15957402
>Nintendo perfected motion controls
Too bad I haven't perfected sucking nintendo's dick enough to be able to enjoy that.
b4c0a6 No.15957758
>>15957692
Oh shit, I remember that game. Never finished it, but then again I rarely finish games. Wasn't great, but wasn't horrible, for the time. That video hits the nail on the head.
3545e7 No.15957791
>>15956424
You just have a hateboner for it
d87476 No.15957804
>>15957791
There are a lot of good things about it, but also just as many complete shit things about it. Easily the most overrated game in history.
270786 No.15957810
>>15957791
glorified rpgmaker game
bda3c4 No.15957815
>>15956966
>the chances you get for screwing multiple sides ove
This, fucking around with everyone was great, killing everyone at the end and dooming the planet as a black woman was almost poetic, if you don't take it at all seriously IW can be really fun.
>but it's certainly better than DXMD.
Not sure about that, i just started MD the last month i've been playing the series in release order and so far i'm really liking it, sure the writing is pretty shit but the immersive sim gameplay is there for the most part and so far i'm really enjoying it.
also, i'm "cleaning" the streets of Prague, the game aint as diverse as i expected but still more than it should
>>15957791
Undertale is unironically good, the fact that its fanbase is cancer is irrrelevant.
a51bd6 No.15957818
>>15957351
>shilling for agents of mayhem
That you, Flippy? Why'd your channel become so shit?
5fb4a1 No.15957857
>it's just a movie!
>did u rike it?
>turns out it's the most mechanically polished game in the series
>actually enjoyable
>>15957004
It's all right.
A bit clunky and not focused on the combat as much as I'd like, but not bad.
>>15956978
But is it good?
c1628a No.15957880
>>15957692
I somehow managed to enjoy the phantom menace game as a kid and compared to that this looks like a masterpiece of action combat.
631e8e No.15957885
>>15957857
>long ass load times and a install time that is artificially doubled for no fucking reason
>fragmented storytelling and levels
>boss fights and to that extension the characters themselves are stupid
>no codex
>only thing to praise is the autistic detail of a bazillion weapons with very few stealth weapons
>also weird mgs2 shit happens if you explore a bit in the levels
yeah nah i would rather play metal gear
390d40 No.15957888
>anons keep shitting on MGSV
>I try it out
<It's fun as fuck
200 hours in and still not tired of it. I've also seen retards shit on Stalker. I've learned to pretty much ignore all opinions in here.
7a53ff No.15957898
>>15956424
Rarely. Usually if it looks like shit, smells like shit and sounds like shit, I don't bother tasting it to conclude that it's indeed shit.
e030e9 No.15957937
>>15956688
>By changing shit that doesn't need to be changed solely for the sake of change. That's not good design.
its good design among bad design. should they just pretend the game is perfect?
e5c0e3 No.15957971
>>15956660
This fucking game. Every Doom thread on /v/, there's always a few idiots bleating about how /v/ is blind with nostalgia and how this game is the best shit ever. Guess what, I finally got down to playing it one day and it's
HOT
FUCKING
TRASH
>Shotgun has a tight spread but pitiful damage, actually becoming worse than the Doom 3 shotgun
>Takes 3 shells per imp at medium range where vanilla Doom's shotgun would've oneshot it
<Super shotgun turns your shell economy into 2-3 shells per hellknight and one per everything else, completely outclassing the shotgun
>Assault rifle is the first decent weapon you get and sounds meaty
<Chaingun does nearly twice the damage it does, completely outclassing the assault rifle and they somehow managed to fuck up triple chaingun barrel mode because it feels stupid to use
>Plasmagun is somewhat decent, will kill hellknights quickly
<Siege mode gauss cannon wipes entire corridors per shot and takes 2 headshots max to kill barons of hell, completely outclassing the plasmagun
>The game doesn't even do you the decency of having your keypress default to the stronger weapon for each ammo class because of console weaponwheel bullshit
>Can't actually run out of ammo since using the chainsaw on any enemy gives you near full ammo back
>The game actually has an infinite ammo perk for when you have above 75 armor
>Can have 150 max armor after upgrades so you won't actually start losing ammo until you get hit
<Infinite ammo peashooter pistol exists and takes up a slot for some reason
>Enemies have little to no hit reactions when getting shot
<Unless they get thrown into 'glory kill me' mode where they suddenly start noticing they got shot for the first time
>No dying groans or moans unlike vanilla Doom
>No sounds at all for losing an arm or even getting half their torsos blown off
>So little feedback from getting gibbed by weapon fire it's actually easy to miss that the guy you were shooting at actually lost an arm or even his torso
>BFG works like the Quake 2 BFG where energy tendrils reach out from the main projectile
<Tendrils instakill any nonboss enemy
<The enemies killed by said tendrils spurt blood and lose limbs as though they just got shot by bullets instead of a big fucking stream of energy
<They actually made the BFG unsatisfying to use
I could go on and on. Sometimes shit games are actually shit games and no self-respecting person should actually waste time and bandwidth attempting to play them.
94b236 No.15957972
>force yourself to play
Of course. I suppose the last was the Walking Dead shittery. I don't think I've ever felt so hostile after """playing""" a """video game""". Not even after that gay-dyke-walks-around-a-house one.
29d27e No.15958005
>>15957971
I can't deny those faults but combat still had its moments.
On the other hand, you should really talk about the platforming sections, god the platforming sections. Because if there's anything Doomguy (I forgot, it's doomSLAYER™ now) is known for, it's the double jumping and ledge grabbing.
Then there's the autistic plotline and unskippable cutscenes, telling you all about the world and its character as if literally all other games don't do that.
When I started, I had a relatively open mind, searched all the secrets etc. then it bored me to find that one room some retarded redditor has hidden through shitty level design and that you can see on the minimap.
d3a73f No.15958011
>>15957127
terrible voice acting but the gameplay was awesome and challenging. If you liked Valk Chronicles, you will like it.
e030e9 No.15958019
>>15958005
>Then there's the autistic plotline and unskippable cutscenes
thats my only problem with it. hell, i even thought they werent going to go that route when doomboy destroyed the monitor that was trying to talk to him.
d87476 No.15958035
>>15958011
I hope you're not implying Valkyria Chronicles was challenging
94b236 No.15958159
>>15958011
It's Valk but with where wolves, right? I remember, probably the same, anon bringing it up in some Xbox thread.
703a05 No.15958165
>>15956451
>spells are fucking awesome
>but the rest of the game sucks ass
What a fucking shame no one stole the spell making idea, it sounds hilarious. I saw a video of people playing it and they conjured up 20 wolves, sounds pretty fun but the actual gameplay looked like ass
e8e0ca No.15958172
Battleborn was a pretty good game actually
d0e263 No.15958181
>>15956424
Sure, most of the games reddit hate are actually really neat.
bd7125 No.15958247
>>15956424
The FPS and draw distance are pretty atrocious, but the game, for all of its clunkiness, is fun and captures the feeling of piloting a huge mecha better than virtually all others.
e030e9 No.15958393
>>15958247
>game has draw distance problems
>game is called target in sight
8e14c1 No.15958426
>>15956792
DMC2 has allot of problems from the fact it basically had no director until the last few months of development, but it's biggest problem to me is the lack of any organic way to learn your move list, nothing like a buying skills to get the hang of things one at a time or just a simple in game move list.
Once I took the time to actually git gud at DMC2, while it didn't remove the games problems I was having allot more fun pulling off my own brand of Style and that's what DMC is all about.
8641ce No.15958488
>>15957791
It's not even a hateboner, because a lot of people on /v/ really likes Undertale myself included it's more that people are extremelly divided on it.
8641ce No.15958495
>>15958181
>Cure of Raven's Cry
Wasn't that game so buggy it was fucking unplayable?
>Daikatana
Never played it but know about the controversy, not going to comment on it then.
>No Man's Sky
No Man's Sky actually looks better and better with every update. I still respect them for sticking to the game and not abbandoning it.
>Spore
The problem is not how good Spore is, it's about how better it should have been.
4cffcd No.15958553
>>15957971
i found the level design/pacing to be complete shit too, it dosen't feel good flowing through levels, too many stop and start moments
most people will probably disagree but i wasn't a fan of the soundtrack either, felt like it belonged in quake or something
7cc7a2 No.15958711
>>15958005
>unskippable cutscenes
All I needed to know. Game confirmed pretentious trash.
e6f5f0 No.15958782
>>15956976
>tell me what to think about this easily piratable game in a genre I'm unfamiliar with
>>15957028
>complaining an RPG doesn't have enough mandatory single-file bullshit and lets you do what you want
>>>/twitch.tv/
2a6d0f No.15958793
>>15956966
Agreed, compared to modern deus ex games fucking IW is a masterpiece. How many modern games would be brave enough to have a quest where it turns out that everyone is being spied on by a worldwide AI. Or that both sides of a conflict were being controlled by one entity in the shadows.
7cc7a2 No.15958822
>>15958782
>>complaining an RPG doesn't have enough mandatory single-file bullshit and lets you do what you want
Your straw man is confusing and unclear. Articulate it better please.
0f2ddc No.15958828
I actually got through 3 of the levels before I just couldn't stomach the retardedly awful level design any more. It's just truly baffling how badly they botched the basic flow of a side scrollan' run and shoot game. Conman should be hung for how bad Mighty no 9 was.
678c2f No.15958830
>>15958553
>>15957971
>soundtrack full of shitty wubs instead of tonsa guitars
I fucking hated it and yes, everyone's favorite bfg division is also fucking gay. DOOD was fucking trash.
Even titty ninjas had better demon slaying music. That's just shameful.
ba5a0a No.15958833
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>>15958830
>embed failed
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ead7d0 No.15958852
>>15957609
jesus, I remember getting bored fast but I never remembered it being that shit
4480bd No.15958853
These two. They really aren't that bad, and the humour in Risen 2 is probably the best I have seen in any game. AFAIK, the English translation of Risen 2 was a complete rewrite so that's possibly why.
ec9d23 No.15958908
>>15957971
I'm convinced that every anon that sings its praises, when it isn't someone simply shitposting, is a kid, or just past being a kid, that always saw how beloved classic Doom was and really wants their Doom to be like that. It why they always insist it's such a true successor, how it's even better than the classic games, how Doomslayer must canonically be the Doomguy of the classic series, how anyone who disagrees is a nostalgia-fag desperately clinging onto their old games. Out of envy and spite, they desperately want nuDoom to supersede classic Doom in every way.
d72227 No.15958911
>>15958852
Fallout 3+ is just so completely different from Fallout 1+2 that such a negative reaction is to be expected. That said i am pretty confidant he would not like any crpg or point and click adventure game whether that be the mid-late 90's types like Fallout and Torment or pretty much anything predating that.
7cc7a2 No.15958936
>>15958911
And you would be wrong, shit eater. One of my favorite RPGs was released the same year as Fallout and I really like some of the older Ultima games too.
Also love the typical fanboy logic that anybody who dislikes Black Isle Studios' crappy isometric clickfests must just be a fan of Bethesda's crappy FPSs.
4cffcd No.15958937
>>15958830
>>15958833
yeah it was a weird choice to use that style of music, i prefer heavier shit (pantera) but whatever
>>15958853
i've bought risen 2 twice, something so charming about it
4cffcd No.15958959
>>15958908
lel the worst part is, their's a secret level in nu-doom were you play in og doom's e1m1 + m2 i think and it just shows how they fucked up everything
from movement speed, to shitty demon reactions etc.
sage for dp
9281d4 No.15958972
>>15957791
what? The game and especially the OST is good, its the godawful fanbae
d72227 No.15958986
>>15958936
That's bullshit I could never believe, if you said Ultima Underworld I'd believe you because that seems to be more up your alley.
>>15958959
They "fixed" the problems by changing the time and speed of those secrets on those levels.
7cc7a2 No.15959013
>>15958986
>That's bullshit I could never believe
You're pathetic. Let's recap the fanboy logic at work here shall we.
Someone criticizes a game I like -> they must be a fan of bad thing and thus their opinion is invalid -> no amount of claims to the contrary will dissuade me
You make no attempt to address any of the relevant criticisms, they're just wrong due to a straw man and in your mind they have no way to defend themselves because your retort is "I don't believe you". You are living in a world detached from reality where you have removed the sensory tools necessary to ever make you wrong about something.
151b9c No.15959015
>>15957166
Dont trust mainstream games media when they talk about Japanese games.
>>15957857
Ar Tonelico is good if you are an advanced weeb with at least mild autism. It also helps if you are attracted to underage characters.
d65789 No.15959016
>>15957880
I enjoyed many things as a kid. The benefit of not knowing better.
d72227 No.15959035
>>15959013
>You make no attempt to address any of the relevant criticisms
None of your criticisms beyond bugs and rushed content is relevant. It's exactly because of those other criticisms is why I know you don't play anything older then Fallout 3 or New Vegas.
d65789 No.15959036
>>15957888
It is fun, but it was a huge letdown in terms of story and characters; and the lack of direction in the mission design is wholly out of line with the series. Something much better could have been made with that engine and time.
Stalker is masterful with mods.
7cc7a2 No.15959042
>>15959035
So you're really going to sit there and defend the fact that Fallout has 6 dungeons (being very generous in what are considered dungeons here) and 6 towns? While another RPG released the same year as it has upwards of 60 towns and 40 dungeons?
4480bd No.15959048
>>15958937
>something so charming about it
It's the humour that makes it so good, IMO. I think it's great that you can cheese all of the combat by just dodging with a musket too, since otherwise it would be a lot less fun to play.
d72227 No.15959069
>>15959042
Yes, writing within your limits is perfectly acceptable. Since Fallout is more of a point and click adventure game I hold it to those standards.
4cffcd No.15959077
>>15959048
yeah you're probably right, i didn't mind the combat believe it or not
i think they really nailed the "hobo phase" well, you start off complete shit and eventually become decent, not overpowered
also the adventure aspect were it felt you were progressing slowly from shit to something greater
it's cause on paper it's "shit" but actually playing it is a different story
best type of eurojank
drunk so might sound like a fag
1048a4 No.15959086
>>15959069
>Fallout is a point and click adventure game
what
0de669 No.15959088
>>15957857
It would be interesting to square off the memekids of different eras against each other. Imagine the fun with self diagnosed autistic teens, each thoroughly convinced by their peers of opposite ideas (like your MGS4 example).
I always marvel at the social instinct of normalfags, steering them toward consensus even on an anonymous board.
d72227 No.15959102
>>15959086
I get the exact same feeling playing Fallout 1 and 2 as i did playing all those point and click adventure games when you're not in combat, so those are the standards I hold it to.
d0e263 No.15959125
>>15958495
>Wasn't that game so buggy it was fucking unplayable?
Not at all, the bad bugs have been fixed and it's just another rough slavtier gem that's pretty fun.
>Never played it but know about the controversy, not going to comment on it then.
It was mostly overblown hype and the companion AI kind of sucked but it's a legit good old school shooter that's beautiful at times and it feels just like the classics of old does to play.
>No Man's Sky actually looks better and better with every update. I still respect them for sticking to the game and not abbandoning it.
The thing is that it wasn't even that bad on release except for a few bugs but yeah, they've kept improving it and adding free content and stuff. Meanwhile Scam Shitizen is in development hell.
>it's about how better it should have been.
That is kind of the case with all the games I picked except Raven's Cry which was pushed out the door to early because CD Projekt stole all devs from the team to work on The Witcher 3. But even today when you bring them up people talk about them as if they're the worst games ever even though they were alright or pretty good even.
d0e263 No.15959155
>>15958853
Do people really dislike those two? They just seem to be kind of obscure to normalfags outside of Germany to me. Really decent games even if they're not as cool as the Gothic games. Risen 3 in particular was very fun.
d0e263 No.15959162
>>15959102
Honestly I prefer a good point and clicker to Fallout, it's just so awfully paced and the combat is so needlessly slow that you spend every moment thinking you could play a better game, like Deponia or whatever.
0de669 No.15959167
>>15957609
>inb4 console war
Up until the PS1 age which brought massive casualization of the medium, PC and consoles had fundamentally different crowds. Consoles were for the gamers in the modern sense, while PC brought in external communities like roleplayers and chads looking for relax.
You wouldn't find so easily someone who knew both Fallout and Chrono Trigger, or Monkey Island and FIFA. Gaming magazines reflected the split and things were kept set apart between consoles and PC, down to specific models (Amiga games, SNES only magazines). This is important to realize, when someone young talks about the past as if we had shared roots.
4cffcd No.15959172
>>15959155 (checked)
people on here shit on them quite a bit (compared to gothic and even risen 1) normalfaggots don't give a shit though
elex worth a pirate btw?
1ffdba No.15959185
>>15959086
It's not far off from being one.
ea6623 No.15959187
>>15959172
Elex is worth a buy, IMO. It's going for 20€ now on sales and I think that price is very fair for a >60 hour game.
7cc7a2 No.15959191
>>15959167
>This is important to realize, when someone young talks about the past as if we had shared roots.
That's cute, tell me how many Ultima and Wizardry games you've played. Fallout was a half-assed joke of a PC RPG on release.
d0e263 No.15959211
>>15959172
Elex is pretty great, well worth a pirate but also worth buying if you can get it during a sale. If you liked Gothic and Risen you will like Elex.
2d16dc No.15959536
>>15957191
fwiw it went f2p so fucking late it didn't make much of a difference.
the bigger crime is that it was easily salvageable, but after the first week sales severely underperformed they dropped it completely. another hilarious fact is almost all things people gave it shit for are totally ok in overwatch because it has waifus.
>>15959125
>It was mostly overblown hype and the companion AI kind of sucked but it's a legit good old school shooter that's beautiful at times and it feels just like the classics of old does to play.
well, romero DID go full retard with engine changes and trying to cram like 2.5 games in there. he could've easily released less earlier for more favorable reviews and then do a sequel.
also fuck him for taking so long it failed so hard critical bugs never got fixed (solution is literally "just port into the next chapter via console commands"). they also nerfed the pvp, I remember playing it on a lan it was the most fun after duke3d pvp, the final release had none of it.
d18a55 No.15959552
>>15959536
marketing tests prove that having waifus is an important paradigm for vidya in this era
d52821 No.15961757
>>15957292
The story is nonsense but in a weird way it being nonsense becomes enjoyable if you know what you are getting into. When playing the game the drawn out story segments get really funny just how stupid they get.
It's the rest of the game that is very frustrating while at the same time not being completely unplayable. I emulated Metroid: Other M on dolphin so I was able to make the controls more tolerable then the average Wii user, and it's still baffling that they thought this was acceptable:
>dodging and moving are mapped to the same button (d-pad)
>due to how awkward this is they give you so much invincibility during your dodge
>missile use completely limited to first person, a mode where you can't move, in an action game
>the game constantly ushers you where to go and allows for now exploration until the end
>you no longer get health from enemies but you have to stand still and use concentration to gain a minimal amount of health, which rewards camping and running away in an action game
>your combat abilities never improve, just run, jump and shoot, and most of your powerups do not really change the combat all that much
>your power ups are not given to you due to the reward of beating a certain enemy, beating a boss or completing a certain puzzle, but are given haphazardly due to the story, so traversal of the map is not as fun as other Metroid games
That said, Metroid: Other M isn't that bad. It's a passable action game, so it's not the worst thing ever. But that's it. It fails in practically every other way. It's the most mediocre action game ever.
91a8bd No.15961796
>>15957191
I paid full price at launch. The game was a broken mess then too. You could make a heavy class with the bullshit chaingun, then quickly swap to the light character. The game wouldn't read it if you did it fast enough and you'd have a super agile runner with the heavy weapons.
8dc9af No.15961801
>>15957365
haytham was the only fun part
connor was unlikeable, the voice acting for all the injuns was bad, the only thing worth booting up 3 for was for comfy wilderness walking and hunting (probably doesnt hold up now but when it first came out i remember that taking up a lot of my time) also those fucking STREET KIDS jesus fuck they were bugged or broken and they never cared to fix them or something because they never shut the fuck up
i somehow ended up with mulitple copies of the game, people just kept giving them to me because it was in the bargain bin and people thought i liked ass creed.
ec9d23 No.15961802
>>15961757
The problem with Other M, besides the terrible writing, is that it's a poor Metroid game that isn't good enough in other ways to make up for it. As you said, it's an incredibly mediocre action game, so when you add it the lack of exploration and unsatisfying ability acquiring, it's a huge black stain on a beloved franchise that had very few poor moments. Everyone ends up focusing on the story, because it's the only thing about it that could be considered remotely interesting, as everything else is either mediocre or barely resembles Metroid. You can write essays on what's wrong with Other M's story, writing, and presentation, but gameplay criticism just ends up being "it fails at being a Metroid title, there's a few really dumb design decisions, and it's mostly just bland."
314d17 No.15961863
I'd like to play this game but I feel I can't play a game designed with co op in mind alone :(
97c832 No.15961936
>>15956688
>>koreans aren't dominating it
>So what?
Bug people ruin everything Hitler. The less of them playing vidya the better.
907b8e No.15962149
Glad I pirated this shit. Only good thing about the game is siding with Dagda and killing off your Persona-tier friends.
39f467 No.15963184
>>15962149
Dagda is the most pitiful excuse for an edgelord I've ever seen, you should be ashamed of yourself.
4cf285 No.15965071
>>15956966
>>15957815
Mankind Divided is a legit good immersive sim from a gameplay perspective, Prague is a well designed and fun map with a lot of hidden nooks and crannies to explore and plenty of meat to tear into. The game is at its height when youre cruising around town assassinating/outting corrupt cops, tracking down serial killers, disrupting or aiding underground news networks, investigating illegal drug rings, breaking into private property and reading the owners emails while drinking all their beer and wine or removing the occasional kebab you find praying to Mecca in the street. The writing is generally pretty bad but the side quests are mostly passable with a few exceptions that are legitimately well written, they alongside the open world immersive sim hijinks are the highlight, main story is utter trash. Also, Adam is a fun character, he deserved a better game in general.
4cffcd No.15965599
>>15965071
sounds decent (mechanically) is anyone essential? i'm assuming most "story-important" characters are but can you just kill most civvies/optional quest givers?
dc7da5 No.15967588
>>15965071
I was actually quite surprised at how good the level design of prague was, i lost myself for hours exploring, hacking, breaking in places. For example, i broke into the home of my boss (i didn't know until i hacked his pc) looking around for anything unusual like a secret room, see a punching bag, don't think about it too much, after a while looking i punch it, that opens a secret door besides it, steal some ammo and shit, hack a terminal to open a locker, there's a pocket secretary, it basically said that his bank account was gonna be terminated, that he should go to the bank to pick the stuff from his vault, it had his pin, fuck it, going to the bank, break in like a ghost but hack terminals to get the robots and turrets on my side, chaos ensues in the bank, no one knows i'm there, i'm moving through the ventilaton, get to the vaults,i hack and steal everything then get out, then get back through the front door and listen how the clerck guy tells me Palisade is the most secure bank in the world.
I haven't done any main missions so far well except for the aug one with koller, but i've already spent a dozen hours exploring, doing sidequests and killing niggers.
So far it is mechanically pretty good, certainly worth a pirate if you're into this kind of thing.
>>15965599
Sure you can kill civvies, thought quickly you'll have all the cops in prague chasing after you, for that just enter the sewers and wait a bit.
Don't know about story NPCs yet though, doubt many if at all though.
699389 No.15967600
It's just MGSV with an actual story and decent melee combat. 99% of the shit it gets from ecelebs is because it has an incredibly slow and annoying first couple of hours, and none of those fags got to the HF blades, drill arrows, jet engine hammers and other cuhrayzee shit.
5bae93 No.15967695
>>15959155
Risen 2 is okay, but has a few really questionable design decisions that made me drop it halfway through.
>>15965071
Mankind Divided is pretty great if you get over the fact that it doesn't really have a reason to exist because HR was a pretty full experience and MD raises a lot more questions than it answers.
For me it's gotta be pic related. It's not great, but it's a huge step up from DA2 and I liked how they expanded upon the tiny little management aspect of Awakening.
The writing isn't as terrible as it appears, either. The pozz is in there, but you can avoid it by not recruting Sera and the Iron Bull. All other characters are alright, and the main story is alright, the gameplay is alright. That's the thing about this game, it's alright. Not great, not good, but not terrible, either.
cb5c6a No.15967791
>>15957971
I had a lot of fun with Nu Doom. Wasn't best game ever but it was a pretty solid game and about as good as you can expect from a modern FPS.
You are a shitcock who shouldn't be allowed to play games, scratch that play more games, it's the best thing for someone this dumb.
>Weapon upgrades are bad.
In the original Dooms the shotgun was whole sale replaced by the super as well. Once you got the super shotgun you never used the original unless low on ammo. It's weaker than the other Doom shotguns because the mechanics changed. If the shotgun is your primary weapon and a main mechanic is glory kills then 1 hit killing defeats the point of the glory kill. Glory kills are lame but it's easy to understand why it's set up this way. Ammo isn't ever an issue in the game so it's not a big deal.
>The minigun is more powerful than the assault rifle
Said the retard who never put a scope on the assault rifle. It 1 hit kills every human sized enemy. Headshot is 1 shot, 1 kill. You can snipe off the grunts and make the larger enemies a 1 on 1 battle.
The rest of your shit is similarly whining about things you don't understand in game design or "it's not the original doom". Same type of person who whined it was too slow and had no depth when it first came out. Just changing the arguments to be more autistic and even dumber.
cb5c6a No.15967819
>>15962149
SMT4 is just a bad game. It's stuck between SMT fans and Persona fans. Then it's stuck on a handheld that can barely handle 3D environments to put the cherry on top of the shit sunday.
It's a game built around the meme of the series with no idea why those mechanics were the way they were. SMT is hard and has party wipes so lets make the first 10 hours glass cannon party wipes.
>>15965071
Divided was less enjoyable than human revolution to me. The story is less interesting and I felt like I was running side quests rather than a main story. It's pozzed to absolute shit and back in a world that doesn't make sense. All these Augs just tried to genocide humanity. Why the fuck would they even let them in the same train station? Golem city is a nice solution to these problems, which should of been to switch off all Augs and call it a day. The universe collapses under it's own social justice pandering and it's constant nigger loving.
I don't want to side with any of these people. None of them are trust worthy or someone I want to be involved with. I have a choice between evil white man, saint nigress or self insert 1337 haxxor mechanic hiding in a sewer. None of these people are people I want to work with and yet I'm forced to. The only person I liked in the game was the woman who runs the elevator shop. She seemed nice but didn't respond to me hulk smashing her place up or using it to hide from the cops.
It's not unplayable but it's not good. It's the type of game someone who loves the genre will enjoy. But as someone who played it as a gap filler because it was free, it just didn't do anything interesting or well. It was a less interesting adventure, with a less interesting cast and the same mechanics which could break the game if you wanted it (turning invisible in a stealth game is dumb)
b2f0d6 No.15967867
>>15957857
>>turns out it's the most mechanically polished game in the series
But you hardly ever utilize those mechanics when going through brown corridors.
Fortunately TPP does the opposite and you have a mechanically crippled litterbox with nothing to do but playing with catshit so you might get toxoplasmosis and die.
>>15957888
There are retards who are entertained by fidget spinners so I don't blame you for not being tired of TPP.
4cf285 No.15968544
>>15965599
I believe all the characters central to the main plot are invulnerable normally, but you can kill pretty much any other NPC, including side quest givers or NPCS that are part of side quest event chains and Merchants.
>>15967588
>I was actually quite surprised at how good the level design of prague was, i lost myself for hours exploring
Same, for everything thats wrong with that game, they did this one thing right, I especially like how some side quests are hidden in the environment, with no action to trigger them other than to find someones PDA or an email that will put you on the trail, and even then some of the quests are totally unmarked so you have to sort of feel your way around Prague to get the full story out of some of these events. Breaking into Palasaide and raiding corporate data vaults was really neat.
>>15967819
>Divided was less enjoyable than human revolution to me.
I think most felt the same, its a shame because its a step up in terms of game play and about on the level or a small step up in terms of the map design, but its a big step down in terms of writing, which is a problem since Human Rev was not well written to begin with, but managed to get away with it on the back of being self contained and focused. In MK, as you say, it collapses under the weight of all the virtue signalling and the shark jumping the last game did at the end. The goverments reaction to the Aug incident is made out to be totalitarian and unfair in the game, but realistically it feels like the goverment is being overly lenient on the augs, they all went stark raving mad and started cutting people up, everywhere in the world, all at the same time. In a real world scenario theyd probably all be rounded up and forced into concentration camps that would make Golem city look like paradise, and thats assuming they wouldnt just be fucking killed.
>>15967600
I was kinda eyeing that thing up when it was about to drop but avoided it due to the all the bad word of mouth, now Im tempted to give it a pirate and see for myself.
5c445e No.15968554
Yes. Honestly I actually thought it was pretty good.
4dd6f9 No.15980857
>>15967867
the MGO for MGS4 was fucking awesome, so you got more out of it if you did multi.