/v/ - Video Games

Every enforcement of copyright law that I've ever seen is invariably cancer.

Fucking Disney ruined the entire legal sphere involving this "intellectual property" shit for decades if not centuries to come

>>15940406

Dude that isn't the topic of the thread, quit being a retarded nigger who can't focus on the topic at hand

>>15940413

That's the part I care about

This whole thing is drama-tier to me with the law somehow sloppily involved now

>>15940423

Then don't reply, you retarded autismo

>>15940439

I'll do whatever I damn well please faggot. The law involving this is an aspect of the situation, and in fact the reason its relevant at all is because of that

>>15940450

This thread isn't about the law or your opinions regarding it, though, you stupid motherfucker. Go kill yourself.

>>15940449

You missed the preorder DLC

>>15940406

>>15940413

No anon has a point. Because of copyright law including the DMCA Stardock is royally screwed. In order to get the DMCA lifted they will be required to demonstrate they are the copyright holder. They're not, so it's not going to be lifted.

>>15940423

Anon look at the bigger picture. Several hundred thousand copies have been sold on Steam who will then need to issue a refund or risk a lawsuit for not complying with a copyright take down request. This is going to have repercussions.

>>15940449

Owning the IP anon without the copyright means you get to call your game Star Control and nothing else. They also started adding races as part of the dlc.

>>15940454

My posts are more on-topic than your random whining about them, so you can go kill yourself first

>>15940461

Stardock isn't owned by Kiketivision

>>15940461

>The only thing to do is sit back and enjoy the spectacle.

Yeah pretty much. Best Case scenario is Stardock is going to have to downsize from the loss of revenue. Worse case they burn under having to issue refunds which they can't because they spent the money elsewhere like their bogus lawsuit.

>>15940459

>Several hundred thousand copies have been sold on Steam who will then need to issue a refund or risk a lawsuit for not complying with a copyright take down request. This is going to have repercussions.

I sincerely doubt that would happen. That's practically unprecedented. The most that will happen in the interim is likely the races DLC being removed off the storefront. Refunds for the game entirely? I just can't see it happening until something bigger or with truer legal authority than this DMCA claims happens as that would be quite literally tens of millions of dollars to Stardock, Valve and GoG being lost in an instant

>>15940459

>They also started adding races as part of the dlc.

All the races they added as DLC were original races, plus they added in the ability to add your own.

>>15940482

Steam has removed games and issued refunds to all purchases under similar circumstances before. Normally it is caught before it gets this bad, so this will really be the penultimate example of it happening.

Steam and GoG don't have much of a choice. The DMCA states to revoke access to all those that purchased it because it was not sell able. Steam and GoG can decide to take this to court and fight it, but they'll lose and any lawyer will tell them they'll lose.

I agree they'll be scrambling to remove all the copyrighted content from the game, but that could be quite extensive as it is alleged several base races were knock offs of original races. Until they do so, and come up with viable replacements no one will have access to their game, which will bury both services in refunds.

Steam won't lose anything. Their policies are very clear that Stardock will have to cover their loses.

>>15940461

This is the right approach. Copyright laws should just fucking die.

>>15940396

>wardell gets a free pass

is this bizarro world?

i haven't kept up with the info so i could be completely out of whack.

last time he was bothered by some whore making provenly false muh rape accusation or some shit

>>15940396

This is pretty much fucked up, especially since those two faggots are playng "Poor Indie Developers" who've been making physical DLCs with Skylanders and shitty movie tie-ins for the last 20 years. They had the fucking gall to make a 2 million dollar GoFundMe for their shit lawsuit https://archive.fo/d6CGC

Of course, considering they are have buddies that also hate Wardell, they managed to make shill articles for said fund raising campaign and how poor they are. https://archive.fo/g3v5Q

https://archive.fo/SVrCW

https://archive.fo/Kg3bm

>>15940654

OP either is a goddamn cuckchan faggot or from r/starcontrol redditoir, the people who hated him in first place are defending DMCA bullshit claims, they're big enough fans they haven't seen what the dynamic dipshits have been doing for the last 25 years, movie tie-ins and the creators of the cancer that is Skylanders, while they recently released Crash and Spyro Trilogy remasters which were fucked up because because you need to download the originals and got delayed. I'm also surprised these two faggots haven't sued Ubisoft for Starlink, this is just a tag of war to get the IP instead of settling it, it's goddamn complicated, but fuck these two asshats and the people willfully ignoring their fucking gofundme for 2 million shekels to defend their bullshit and DMCA claim.

Oh yeah, this is also what got those two in a hissyfit, they got beaten by Ubisoft four months ago. Gotta take it out on someone.

>>15940406

>focus on what's infront of you

>don't focus on the real issue

>a retarded nigger

>>15940423

>i like drama and talking about people and events

>i don't like talking about real issues and ideas

>am a retarded nigger faggot

>mining this for my shitty blog or (((youtube))) video

>>15940507

You make a mountain out of a molehill, it's a fucking DMCA, it's nothing. Twitch thots use that everyday to remove their whorish content from other channel. Seriously, are you from reddit?

>>15940679

thanks for filling in the blanks because I'm not really into the scene of drama currently going on (nor ever really was), but the story in OP clicked weirdly with what i reminded.

>>15940828

t. china

>>15940449

Copyright lawyer reads the opinion of the Judge and opines. Sounds like Stardock is fucked.

>>15940892

Not this video where the majority of the comments is just a bunch of sack of shits gleeing at DMCA abuse, the judge is also a fucking retard. This is complicated but those two retards also saw this as the law approval for their bullshit DMCA, and Stardock needs a new lawyer along with escalating this to a judge that understands DMCA abuse. This is a clusterfuck, it's the same shit when Mega Man fanboys who never heard of Inafune automatically sided with him and supported his kikestarter, two guys who have not done with with the IP tries to start a 2 million dollar lawsuit defense fund, fails, then goes to DMCA after getting a wink from the judge, who has it right but didn't see any problems with DMCA abuses.

>>15940907

Who gives a shit about the comment section? It's the Opinion of the Judge that matters in this instance. Comment sections will always be full of retards, you and I are no exception.

But in this instance, when Stardock is selling content that Paul and Fred own the copyrights to (ie, two of the races from the original games as DLC), I think the DMCA takedown is justified. I am not a lawyer, though, and it's possible I'm talking out my ass.

>>15940930

Usually when you file a DMCA like this, you should cite what fucking copyright was being broken/stolen, because after that injunction, those two had it in their heads that this was a legitimate DMCA, this is fucking DMCA abuse, take it in the goddamn court, not abuse the system, if you still believe le internet lawyer there who are becoming the next youtube skeptics about whether this was a legitimate DMCA, you'll get "This is complicated, blah blah" or "They'll have to settle"

Just think: all this fuss because a mediocre game with a nice story developed a cult fan following after being re-released as freeware.

>>15940997

I played a bit of the game after pirating it as well. The Arilou show up and talk to you but never mention their name, they say shit about it being a parallel universe or something. Since they just look like generic greys I figured that was how Stardock got around the issue.

>>15940413

>thread is about trademarks and copyright lawfagging

>"this thread is not about those things"

>>15941322

>Maybe they felt the necessity to start these lawsuits to protect themselves

That is the opinion of someone who doesn't understand what bluffing is. Their goal is very clear to obtain the full rights both what they have and what the other side has. Threatening court is effective because it's a gamble in your favor, going to court is expensive. But since the other party called their bluff they're screwed.

The dude even backed off like the kike he is when he was contacted by a lawyer.

Star Control II already exists, the freeware port already exists, what do any of these used-up hacks have to offer nowadays?

Fred and Paul's claims to own Star Control are as valid as Ken Penders claiming to own Sonic Comic characters.

>>15941322

>OC's new spiritual successor game

As if that game even exists.

Wow, it's the power of the laws.

Wish more creators had strength as these guys.

wasnt Wardell for some time /ourguy/ or some shit like that?

Im honestly lost in all of this.

>>15940679

Thank you. Sure are a lot of faggots in the thread. Most of this shit is happening because Wardell publicly supported GG a while back, and the AGG crowd has been all over him ever since.

>>15940819

You have got to be retarded. Every company I've ever worked for under contract laid pre-emptive claim to anything you create while employed by the company, so you don't DARE come up with anything, or at least don't put it on anything but an airgapped Pentium 1 computer.

ALSO FUCK EVERYONE SUPPORTING RICH ACTI-NIGGERS WHO ARE PLAYING POOR LITTLE RICH BOYS.

>>15941610

>Sure are a lot of faggots in the thread

>faggots

You shouldn't call out people using their first name as that might upset them.

>>15940910

what is it with devs and being retarded on twitter. pitchford, cliffy, philly fish…

>>15941681

It's because they're retarded IRL.

>>15941681

You have to be retarded to use social media in the first place.

>>15941749

>he knows it's literally breaking the law.

wasn't stardock's argument based some legal technicality bullshit where they could use them as long as they're not included in the base game

>>15941749

>everyone there fucking hates him

Do they hate him because of this legal drama or is the forum just full of aGG goons? Wardell has earned the ire of SJWs over the years so it's hard to tell who has a legitimate grievance against him or not.

OP is an (((Activision))) shill, those two hacks never owned the IP Atari did and when Atari when bankrupt Stardock bought it from them now Activision and Toys for bob are attempting to pull a gibs me dat, and the best part is those heebs are begging people for $2million to "fund" their shit even though Activision who fully owns them already are, Paul and Fred's kikary knows no bounds.

>>15941863

>your

>calling someone else stupid

star control fags deserve this and no one is convinced otherwise

>>15941749

>>15941772

>>15941778

>Didn't gave any source at all

>>>/gasyourself/

>>15941910

>Read the fucking article or the statement.

There isn't anything written about this in archived article.

Go choke on 1.000 cocks, retard.

>>15941940

You made a post without calling anyone a kike. You're losing your touch Chaim.

>>15941940

Nevermind, I just noticed it now.

>>15941681

There's something about Twitter that makes people act retarded in general.

>>15941902

Do naughty words cost extra?

2e1b34  Do you have you know any real proof? Because it seems like you have a Personal beef with Wardell.

>>15941999

Why yes, rooting for old developer heroes to return to a beloved franchise after decades of absence is a very ORGANIC and NATURAL reaction from /v/.

Surely nobody would hire a PR agency to astroturf something like this on the internet, nor would they attempt to crowdfund a multimillion dollar lawsuit despite being multimillionaires themselves and falling flat on their face despite the very organic hatred for JEW NIGGER WARDELL NIGGERKIKE ;^)

You confused mongs trying to figure out who's the bigger kike are wasting your time. Stardock didn't get Ironclad to make a sequel to Sins of a Solar Empire, so they deserve financial death.

>>15942058

Ironclad is still adding shit to SoaSE.

>>15942066

A dinky $5 DLC adding some minor feature bloat every 2-3 years doesn't qualify as development. A single person could produce that and more working part time.

SoaSE has key issues (no multithreading, late game performance, primitive MP support, no campaign to sell copies on its appealing lore), issues a SoaSE 2 could solve. It remains the only thing Ironclad's ever done that's sold well.

This is exactly what Bethesda did to black Isle studios and it is how they stole the Fallout IP from the OG creators. Thankfully it looks like it might not work this time. I can't fucking wait for a proper SC3.

>>15942102

Acting like an autistic spreg doesn't help your case it just makes you look like a sperg.

This is not in defense of Wardell, but we're getting a ton of IP hopping. Just incase people get the wrong idea.

>>15942139

Could you at least link the sources the poster made on the OP?

>>15942144

https://archive.vn/hUXfc

some dev who made Star something game used to defend gamer gate? or is it just my brain not working

>>15942203

It's literally one guy.

>>15942175

Yeah he did support GG back in the day.

>>15942186

> It's a clusterfuck of spite, nostalgia goggles, delusional fanboyism and law bullshit.

So in short, it's the unholy lovechild of Ken Penders and Mr. Shitface breaking new grounds in DMCA abuse.

There is clearly a piece of the puzzle that we are missing in order to figure out the origin of this conflict.

The final jigsaw that puts everything in perspective.

>>15942230

Deleted the post because the one I've responded to is gone. It's amazing, the people who have a vicious bone in making sure Star Control 3 happens haven't asked to themselves, Why now? Toy for Bob has been one of the biggest moneymakers for Activision, they also have industry clout, so that's publishing power, time and resources to make it happen, these are the same people who made Skylanders and the recently shit remasters of Crash and Spyro. The bullshit about the idiotic lawsuit by Stardock and the pathetic 2 Million dollar GoFundMe defense fund, they could have settled this out of court, but publishing copyright and trademark fuckery, and stubborn nature, but a DMCA abuse without a note on what shit was violated, and you got people like that defending that bullshit and not being honest that on this time when most of the proper systems and authority are on vacation and can't properly respond to this DMCA abuse in Steam and GoG, along with the courts, this is fucking scummy and you won't see these dipshits talk about that or even be honest about it.

>>15942256

There is obviously some personal drama behind the scenes with every person so far mentioned involved.

It makes no sense that they would include stuff they don't hold a copyright on just because "they love the old game SO much they can't help themselves!".

This is obviously an act of spite, or such profound stupidity that they deserve everything that happens to them.

>extreme damage control in the steam discussions

wew laddie

htt ps://steamcommunity.com/app/271260/discussions/1/

>>15940406

>Every enforcement of copyright law that I've ever seen is invariably cancer.

This. Copyright is nothing but a meme.

>>15942334

I wanna fuck that alien

>>15942502

you wanna squeeze his juice?

>>15942511

Yes

>>15940396

Sounds like faggotry on all sides.

>>15941681

He's only acting a bit autistic defending himself to everyone; I wouldn't call it retarded

>>15942092

> issues a SoaSE 2 could solve. It remains the only thing Ironclad's ever done that's sold well.

It's strange, it seems to me some of these devs/publishers do not want money, they have an almost guaranteed to succeed project and they choose to not pursue it. I don't know maybe there's weird legal or financial rigamarooing going on that has prevented SoaSE2 from happening.

>>15942559

Don't forget to *enjoy the sauce*.

>brad still hasn't unlocked the steam thread except to let a single shill post through

>>15940997

Leonard is an actual copyright lawyer. He has a business in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

>>15941564

>wasnt Wardell for some time /ourguy/ or some shit like that?

>Im honestly lost in all of this.

SJWs are using this fight over copyright to punish Brad Wardell for being a bad goy. He's still on our side, and copyright law shouldn't even exist.

>>15943241

>>15942595

>>15942256

>>15942230

>>15942122

These are literal shill posts. Brad posts on this site and the SC2 forums and uses these exact arguments on both. He even got his devs to shill for him on the SC2 forums. It's clear he is doing the same shit on this website too. The only difference is that on the SC2 forums it's common knowledge that he shills there.

>>15943635

I think what makes this situation so muddled is that we have laypeople arguing about a complicated legal case. People are taking sides without even knowing what's going on.

>>15942092

>it's just the DLC!

>forgetting that DLC came out alongside a big free patch to the game for non-DLC owners too

>>15943694

I think there's two largely separate issues at hand:

1. Who is in the right, on what specific areas, legally speaking?

2. Are either party capable of actually making a good Star Control game?

>>15940783

Hi Wardell, I thought you liked getting fucked up the ass, why are you brushing it off now?

>>15943899

Actually it's even worse (better) than that. Because they are undergoing litigation they can't make a counter claim until the court battle is over. This was such a fucking stupid move on Warbells move he may have just lost himself the case because the longer the case goes the longer steam and gog aren't allowed to sell Star Control Origins. What this means is that Wardell who was originally the big kike pushing people around will likely try to settle out of court as fast as possible to get the game put back up and if that happens P&F can demand whatever the fuck they want. So there are two possibilities

>Wardell fights this for the next 5 years in which case Star Control Origins cannot be legally sold

Or

>Wardell gives up and Paul and Ford win

EIther Way Wardell is about to lose millions of dollars. This + the Soulja boy shit is the best news I have heard all month. Kikes just out kiked.

>>15941856

>OP is an (((Activision))) shill

This, especially with the whole "Stardock is SJW" crap which is false. Or at least was like two years back.

>>15943307

>Imagine if someone stole a book you wrote and was selling it

It's more like

<imagine if someone bought the right to use your book title and then wrote their own book in a similar setting using your book title.

>>15944348

>used the exact same gameplay

So they like, made a game of a certain genre? A lot of shooters play the same, did they all just steal from the first one or something? If the source code was reused you'd have a point.

>names of races, resources

So? What are these names? I grant some can be quite specific but a lot of races and resource names are generic. I've seen a few strategy games that use "metal" as a resource, did they all steal from whoever used it first?

Has anyone even stated what the specific copyright infringement claim is?

>>15944389

You caught me.

These Stardock shills are truly amazing. They are as stupid as the fucking Soulja boy nigger.

>Yeah we used games that we didn't own with characters we didn't own on a console

>N-Nintendo why are you suing me, I dindu nuffin, yall racist

I just had a look on cuckit to see what they thought about this, for some bizarre reason they're siding with Brad.

>>15944896

Didn't Stardock claim Fred and Paul never made the original games? That's some Beamdog-tier fuckery.

>>15943365

The same could be said of you and the ID hopping faggot from yesterday who couldn't fucking control of yourself, was the DMCA legitimate btw? because you didn't address anything but call anyone shills, hope you like Activision publishing Star Control 3.

>>15943694

It is a complicated case that they should have fucking settled, but doesn't help that the Activision faggots who'v made billions with Skylanders didn't bother to buy the IP when Atari was floundering, and that fucking Stardock suit written by an idiotic lawyer who was playing who blinks first with those insane demands. Too bad we got faggots blinded with delusional nostalgiafaggotry who thinks SC3 is gonna be great.

>>15944968

He's had multiple warnings and bans. I've banned him four times for two hours each time and he keeps shitting up the thread

>>15944952

>Self-funding it

Like the 2 million dollar lawsuit you retarded piece of shit, how about the DMCA abuse? got anything to say other that sidestepping towards your same script here? work harder because you're siding with cancer while approving with it hard, because a couple of developers who didn't bother with getting the full rights for fucking decades while doing Skylanders shit is fucking suspect, but don't think too hard of it, Star Control 3 is gonna be great!

>>15944962

The same evidence with the youtube internet lawyer videos and links from that archived thread? yeah lets ignore the new circumstance, makes it's very organic for fans who didn't even bother to check Paul and Reiche's history after Star Control to just pop up idiotically and shill spam for them hard, did you also try and shill for that 2 million dollar gofundme? I remember those "Fuck Starkike" threads never bother mentioning about the "Poor Little" developers making a campaign to make a defense fund.

>>15944982

Everytime someone would ask for proof, he would sperg out and accuse of everyone of being newfags, spoonfeeding, and telling people to watch this long video while not giving a point of reference. And when people don't want to watch a 45 minute video, and he spergs the fuck out and accuses everyone of being newfags. Additionally spergs out over people being Brad over a different an opinion, and generally just derails the thread with autism fits

>>15944855

I've been trawling reddit for posts about this because I'm enjoying the schadenfreude and I want all I can get.

The star control subreddit is almost all on P&F's side.

The general gaming subreddits are about half and half, maybe leaning towards P&F. Generally the people on Brad's side seem to be ignorant of the details surrounding the case. There are still tons of people posting that it's unclear who owns what IP rights when that's been resolved forever, the only issue at hand is whether SC:O infringes on P&F's rights to the SC2 IP and whether the DMCA is valid. It does and it is.

Kotaku in Action is almost all on Brad's side because he supports GG. Ironic that they're the ones falling for tribalism and circling the wagons posting misleading articles to support one of their own. Not actually ironic, reddit is fucking retarded. The only information that gets upvoted is sourced from Brad directly or from another site that uses Brad as the only source. Brad himself even posted a few times. He keeps pretending like he can't fathom what could possibly be considered infringing material, while ignoring anyone who posts about Zoq-Fot-Pik.

The star control official subreddit, the one controlled by Brad, is completely dead. It has threads from months ago on the front page.

>>15944996

I agree he's being autistic where do you think we are?, but he's not derailing the thread because that's specifically what this thread is about. It just seems like you're deleting one side of the argument rather than let people discuss it freely.

>>15944993

And so far they didn't fucking cite which copyright material they violated, a fucking judge who didn't bother to say what constitute DMCA abuse from that video you keep posting up to shit, means you love abusing DMCAs, not even honest about it, and if you want to go beyond this, glad to see you siding with Activision industry cancer.

>>15944989

Stardock didn't own the rights to the characters, so the DMCA is valid.

It's a very complicated issue, but Atari tried to sell off a bunch of their IPs before going bust, Star Control being one of them. However, Atari never actually owned Star Control, it was only licensed to them (I think it was actually a subsidiary it was licensed to) and that license either ended in 1998 or 2001.

Stardock filed a trademark Star Control and that went uncontested, but they don't own the copyright. They can make a game called Star Control with the exact same mechanics, but they fucked up when trying to use assets from the series.

>>15945001

No, just him. Since he's IP hopping and all that noise as well.

>>15945014

Which characters? be specific because DMCA abuse there with them playing quiet without telling the public what copyright it violated and still not a damn response is not making me side with them, if they're in the damn right with this DMCA, they better state so. so far, nothing. I didn't like Stardock's retarded and insane demands or Paul and Reiche's GoFundMe 2 million dollar GoFundMe to illicit sympathy, but that DMCA abuse without telling anyone why, is not looking fucking good for them.

>>15945025

Alien names, resources, location names, resource names, ect.

Brad Wardell even admitted that he didn't own the rights to use them (and tried to delete it later) and that is why Stardock is fucked. They would have been fine (at least for the time being) if they didn't try selling copyrighted material.

>>15945033

Their statement on the DMCA and not this same shit that everyone is shitting out.

>>15945038

>Their statement on the DMCA

The DMCA was filed and allowed to be filled because of the names of the aliens being used in the game. Even the official legal document mentions this.

>>15945025

Zoq-Fot-Pik is definitely infringing. There's some other shit like ship designs that people are saying might count as infringement but I don't know copyright law and haven't bothered to look for pictures. Brad knows what he put in the game, they don't have to spell everything out in the DMCA. I'm pretty sure he intentionally left minor things in because he thought it would weaken P&F's claim to the trademarks he's applying for himself. He should have just removed everything like he was supposed to.

>>15945137

It's not the sort of thing someone who knows they're in murky copyright waters should do on a lark. Maybe they figured it was just a joke or Easter egg but try sticking Superman in your game (and explicitly calling him Superman) then see how DC's lawyers feel about that.

>>15940396

>stardock makes Star Controller game thats not actually explicitly Star Controller

>original creators don't care, developing their own SC game

>Stardock makes them cease that shit because reasons

>then Paul and Fred go full nuclear and dmca Stardock's SC game over little things they didn't actually have legal go ahead to put in their game but would've otherwise been fine if the didn't start shit

Am I reading this timeline right, because if I am, I gotta wonder why anyone here is giving the original creators shit when it's clear who went full kike first.

>>15945202

The main reason is because they didn't tell Stardock to stop in 2013 when they first asked Paul and Fred if they wanted to help them make a SC game.

>>15945202

These "people" are defending him because Wardell used to post here during the Gamergate days. In all likelyhood it's just him shilling himself just like how he does in the SC2 forums.

>>15945208

That's because Wardell wasn't using copyrighted material back then. Maybe don't fucking put in things you don't own?

>>15945202

From the actual injunction >>15943635 posted:

>Under the License Agreement, Reiche retained ownership of the copyright and all other proprietary rights in the work, while Accolade owned the title and any trademarks adopted and used in the marketing of the work.

The information in >>15945137 , specifically, the Zoq, Fot, Pik, Zebranky, and Frungy, are characters (and a fictional game) from Star Control 2. It's not just the name, most of the story (the Zebranky hunted the other three and the Zoq, Fot, and Pik banded together to defeat the Zebranky; Frungy is a popular sport played by the Zoq-Fot-Pik) is identical. Just based on that it looks like Stardock is violating copyright.

>>15945208

>>15945227

What I'm gathering is they were okay with a Stardock Star Control, possible copyright infringement or not. And would've continued to be okay with if they hadn't gotten C&D'd themselves from Stardock. So Stardock fucked themselves.

>>15945208

The legal dispute started in 2017 when stardock sued P&F. Up until then they were coexisting just fine. P&F rejected stardock's offer to make a SC game because they wanted to do it on their own.

>>15945238

That sounds about right. If there was a "gentlemen's agreement" about what Stardock could and couldn't use in Star Control: Origins, Wardell should have gotten it down in triplicate before deciding a C&D against the copyright holders was a good idea.

>>15945251

It's scary to think in a separate dimension where Wardell wasn't a retard he could have gotten away with this by throwing a C&D AFTER he released Origins.

>>15945202

you're missing the part where Stardock did offer to sell the name rights back to the Original Guys, and the OG turned them down because they decided they didn't need the actual Star Control name anymore, which I think also caused Stardock to assume that meant the OG were going to change their Not Star Control game or something, and so stardock was caught by surprised when the OG kept right on working on their Progenitors game. So Stardock is still mostly the main assholes here. But the original guys were fucking dumbasses for not buying the full rights when they had the chance so that their game would be free and clear of any potential copy right issues, real or imagined.

>>15945265

Why would they? Why should they spend millions of their own dollars to buy the rights to the name of a franchise they already own? All they have to do is just change the game to be called Star Controller or something.

>>15945265

It's definitely true that the original creators should have bought the Accolade/Atari rights back if at all possible, since it would have prevented all of this. But for all we know the asking price was stupidly high, or the deal required a license agreement, or any other potential fuckups that the creators wouldn't have agreed to. In the end Wardell went ahead with Star Control: Origins without clearing the air first- that was his money to burn, and now it's burning.

Oh shit, Stardock HQ is less than 20 miles from me. Didn't know my state even had any dev studios. Polite sage

>>15945308

Go over there and ask for some free stuff, they gotta have an extra mousepad or something lying around.

>>15945158

Stardock owns the copyright to Star Control 3, are those races also in the third game?

Also, I really do not like that Paul and Fred are suing GOG and Steam. Could be bad for the future should Paul and Fred win those cases.

>>15945324

>over how* shitty

Shit I need to proofread my sentences better after revising them.

>>15945335

The denial of injunction says this about the Accolade/Atari copyright over SC3:

>Pursuant to the License Agreement, Accolade owned the copyright and all other proprietary rights in Star Control III, subject to Reiche’s copyrights in Star Control I and II.

That implies the SC1 and SC2 copyrights take precedence.

>>15945252

Eh, that dubs bot and whoever spams mark's asshole puts that in doubt. They're proxyfagging so much they're running out of proxies that don't use singular IPs for their servers.

>>15945371

Why did Mark post a picture of his asshole online?

>>15945386

It's probably just some random image that a faggot is claiming is Mark's asshole. What's he going to do, post photos for comparison to disprove it?

So yeah, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

>>15945404

mark is hairy as fuck, it's pretty obvious it's not him

>>15940480

That was a really good episode

>>15945252

Just a little reminder that you're defending two millionaires from the Bay Area who spent the last two decades running a Actinigger subsidiary, making shitty movie tie-ins, pioneering fucking physical DLC, LARPed as poor widdle indy devs with help from the journoclique friends and tried to crowdfund two million dollars for a lawsuit off their fans money.

I hope putting "Chan Outreach Expert" on your CV pays more than minimum wage.

>>15945711

Just a little reminder that you are a fucking kike and will lose. Use all the buzzwords you want but Fred and Paul aren't kikes or completely fucking insanely evil like Brad is.

Fred and Paul

>Release their games for free open source for fans

>Support them and help them with modding

Now let's look at brad

>Wants to kill the fan remake

>Wants to kill the sequel

>Wants to steal the copyright so he can make a shit filled SJW game named Star Control

sometimes i feel like the last non jewish person on earth

>>15945748

Are all game devs secretly faggots?

>>15945759

It's to feel that way when you are forced to see Mark every day of the month.

>>15945711

>B-But they asked for donations!

Is that the best you got? If Paul and Fred lose this the entire Star Control community is fucked. Not only will they never get a true sequel to Star Control 2, but Brad will kill the open source remake, mods ect to force people to buy the shitty GOG version. So yeah, I can see why some people would want to donate. Are you really this butthurt that Paul and Fred didn't use up every penny they had that was supposed to go into their new game fighting aega corporation that was bullying them? You would want that wouldn't you Brad. Brad is pissed because if it weren't for those donations he would have likely won this case or at least stopped the sequel from happening. Now instead of that Brads company is going to have to be downsized and admit he was wrong.

Fuck you faggot, you are either Brad himself or one of his cronies.

>>15940396

Why do I want to cuddle a VUX so fucking badly?

>>15945788

The big eye and the downward snout

>>15945860

Unironically

>>15945860

Zeon makes the cutest mobile suits, made for loving.

hey /clang/ do you ever have to do captchas for your waifu?

>>15945990

All the time, he's a terrible shitposter.

>>15946003

>dating Mark'sAnusBot

>>15945748

>existing at our tolerance

what a prick

Since this shit is still going: why didn't Brad start creating a Star Control game set in the Sins of a Solar Empire universe after finding out he spent 300k on a dud trademark and not the whole IP associated with the game? He could have gotten fans of both these popular games as his buyers and reuse some more modern assets already available.

>>15946071

This guy is a massive psychopath out for blood against his chosen victim, see >>15945748

At this point it doesn't even look like he cares about the money anymore, he just wants to destroy it all.

>>15945753

>buzzwords

So a bunch of facts are buzzwords? Good to know.

>aren't kikes or completely fucking insanely evil

Fucking.

Physical.

DLC.

Do you seriously think this "muh original creator hero devs" appeal and nostalgia bait is going to fly on /v/ after Shitface/Inajewne/CRoberts? At a time when everybody can easily check what they've been doing for the past decades? Seriously fuck off back to reddit where this kind of idiotic astroturf has chance of working on low-info brainlets.

>>15945781

>Is that the best you got?

Silly me, expecting two multimillionaires to pay their own legal bills.

>he entire Star Control community is fucked

Maybe "the community" shouldn't have thrown in with Reiche and Ford like bunch of hero-worshipping retards and done black PR for free because "muh hero devs that made this game 30 years ago". Not that the resonance was exactly great at 40k raised, wasn't it?

Wardell being a vindictive asshole is one thing but after this can particular can of bullshit I don't fault him, I'd also make these nerds cry in every possible way after I won.

>>15946096

Being.

Compelled.

To.

Take.

A.

Fucking.

Side!

You can demand muh struggle sessions for Ford and Reiche in the court of the internet all you want but their jewry doesn't automatically justify Wardell's jewry. So maybe you should just go back to reddit yourself you mirror image of a blue haired, moralism masturbating millennial faggot.

Stardock is in the right on this one. The amount of people supporting copyright bullshit like this is astounding.

>>15946165

What about the copyright bullshit they used first to shut down the creators making their own sequel?

The amount of anons willing to support a kike, just because the kike happens to be breaking copyright, appalls me. Same shit happened with soulja boy. Copyright law sucks, but that doesn't mean we should support every jew who thinks it shouldn't apply to them.

>>15945309

It's never coming out, they didn't have any intention of making a new game, they just saw a sequel to their game was getting made and wanted to get some gibs from Stardock. Although Brad is stupid and has given them a lot to work with.

>>15946071

He knew from the start he only had the SC3 IP. He thought he could convince the original creators to work with him on a new game. Not only did they reject that but they wouldn't even license anything to him.

Why they're going apeshit for some wierd IP?

>>15946707

What retarded shit are you talking about? Stardock does not own the copyrights to anything but the name and SC3 original assets everything else is entirely in Paul and Fred's ownership.

>>15946949

Read OP, one side owns copyright one owns the actual trademark to the name because the other guys didn't think it would lead to a legal clusterfuck.

>>15946970

>What retarded shit are you talking about?

There are anons, in this very thread, like >>15946165, siding with Brad purely because Fred and Paul are using copyright law against him, even though he's the one who tried to abuse it, first. It's like with the soulja game, where anons were all "you should be siding with soulja boy" because he was infringing Nintendo's copyrights, even though it was to sell shitty chinese rom boxes with his name on them.

Ok, so am I missing something? I wouldn't consider myself a fan of stardock, but they clearly seem to be in the right. The entire crux of Paul and Fred's argument seems to be that a cameo of a generic grey alien similar to a species they "created" as much as anyone can say they created grey aliens appeared in sc:o, meaning they're claiming to own the concept of a grey alien. Any sympathy I had for them went out the window when they went full zoe quinn with the false dmca.

>>15946096

>B-But Skylanders

So?

>>15946819

The original creators have tried making sequels with activisions multiple times. The entire reason this shit started was because Brad tried to force them to stop after they decided to make the game by themselves. So yes the game is/was happening its why this whole mess happened you dumb kike.

>>15947376

>Cameo

They literally have the same name and lore.

If you put made a videogame and put Mickey mouse in it as the main character do you think you would get away with it?

>>15947011

I'm pretty sure most of those are sock puppets paid for by Brad.

>>15947376

>Am I missing something

Yes. Brad is trying to sneak assets from a series into a game he doesn't own as a way to argue he deserves the entire game series. He is fucking insane.

>>15947451

>What are the chances this was fabricated?

http://archive.vn/7uFj9#selection-324.0-326.1

0 percent considering it was posted by Paul and Fred. They are legitimately stupid enough to think they own Hyperspace.

>>15947451

>hyperspace

>remixes music they used but don't own

>THE FUCKING COLOR RED

What the actual shit are they smoking

>>15947451

>>15947492

Nice 1 and done shills. Notice all the shill posts are from (1)s replying to each other? Fuck off brad

>>15947492

>>15947451

>>15947526

>leaves out the fact that you are using actual ships and aliens from the original game

That is why you lost the case Brad you stupid shill. Your shilling style is so obvious too. Go back to twitter where the cucks there will actually believe you.

>>15947492

When will this legal fuckery end?

>>15947531

It's a shame so many people seem to be siding with Brad simply because he didn't call gamergate evil. He has done some good stuff, but this isn't one of them.

>>15947542

No, but they did make specific alien races.

>>15947531 is right. This is an obvious fucking shilling tactic. All you faggots start making (1)s all at the same time jerking each other off.

>>15947542

Who's this slut? and what's with the fucking captcha

>>15947542

>>15947526

>>15947492

>>15947451

>(“[T]he court is ill-inclined, at this late hour, to pull [the plaintiff’s] chestnuts out of a fire sparked by its own ill-fated tactical decision.”).

Nice try Brad. You fucked yourself over when you used aliens you don't own.

>>15947743

Not to mention, the easter egg in question is a generic grey alien, which is never confirmed to be their grey alien species.

>>15947743

Anon, you'd have a point if they didn't make these. >>15945158

It doesn't matter that they took the DLC down, in a court a judge's opinion would be heavily swayed toward the opinion of copyright infringement rather than an Easter egg due to them trying to sell copywrited characters in DLC.

>>15947743

>Brad is right about a lot of that stuff,

Brad is hoping you don't understand the /tech/ industry and how utterly rampant copyright Trolls are in the industries involving it. Even just a few lines of code nobody has ever had a chance to look at is grounds for a copyright claim which you must fight and take the court or pay the fee they demand which just so happens to be cheaper then going to court. How nice of them.

>>15947743

> People are grasping at straws HARD trying to find something they can throw at him.

They tried to sell DLC of characters they didn't own this is an open and shut case

After seeing the duo's proof it's really fucking nothing and it's a massive joke of a DMCA.

>>15947824

If it was a massive joke it would've been dropped already, they can't fight it specifically because the DMCA is valid.

>>15947451

Is this suppose to make me be against Stardock or something?

>Hyperspace

Common term.

>Truespace vs True Space

Sounds like an issue, though apparently Babylon 5 uses the term also.

>2D and Vindicator

Are they really trying to claim they own the copyright to 2D games? Also, Vindicator is technically a word, but using it here might qualify. US Navy may want to sue them for using the name of their old 1930s bombers. in all seriousness it still looks bad since they are both space games and it is being used as a name

>Color red

Using primary colors is not copyright infringment.

>Light red streams

Same thing. Lots of games use those retarded god rays of light or whatever they are called.

>Graphically show the star by getting rid of the red coloring

Not copyright infringement.

>Auto land on planets

Heat Signature has this, it's a feature many games use.

>Radar map with list of ships

This cannot be legit. Having a MAP is copyright infringement? Elite Dangerous has this too I believe. I know EVE Online does.

>alien ships and forced to interact

Common. I've seen this in Evochron, X-series, No Man's Sky, Heat Signature. I'm sure many other games that take place in space have it. Granted, no others force you to interact.

>remix of hyperspace music

Copyright infringement, assuming they lack permission to use.

>Coordinates

Okay so like Evochron and EVE Online? Fucking world of warcraft has coordinates.

>When you run out of fuel someone helps you

Considering the options are "Game over" "No fuel is necessary" or "receive help," it's just a gameplay feature that makes fuel relevant without leading to possible game over scenarios.

>Autopilot

So, Evochron, EVE Online, X-series.

2 of those are potentially an issue, 2 more are partially potentially an issue. The countersuit needs to fail, otherwise every little feature put into games is going to end up getting copyrighted. I don't really care too much about the initial lawsuit, guess it would be better for it to fail too though.

Finally, Yes I am Brad Wardell, you got me.

>>15947866

I'm pretty sure they're claiming that those things as a whole are infringing, not each element individually. Otherwise the Tolkien estate could sue every other fantasy author out of business, or Games Workshop would actually win all those lawsuits over muh spehss marines.

I will admit situations like this make me wish copyright/trademark law weren't so fucked

>>15947866

You're looking at the forest for the trees. Individually, none of those things make a case, but, as a whole, it's pretty clear Origins is blatantly copying SC2.

>>15947885

>it's a red herring

>from Paul and Fred themselves

If they didn't want people to think this is their claim then they shouldn't have made the claim.

http://archive.vn/7uFj9

Was linked earlier, but here it is again. Image doesn't show up in archive, but you can copy the original URL and see it there.

>>15947894

>>15947905

It's still bullshit. Could easily find a dozen similarities with other space games. If Stardock loses, there's no way a game like say 3D Dot Game Heroes will ever be made again, or any other "homage" type of game.

>>15947935

They don't own the concept of a grey alien, radar, or the color red

This sounds like the someone going through a schizophrenic fit.

Is this the video game equivalent of the fall of the soviet union????

>>15947844

>They are literally using races

What races are they "literally" using?

>>15947935

>put in copyrighted material

What copyrighted material is in the game?

>>15947957

>they own "Arilou"

The Arilou aren't in the game, what are you sperging about?

>>15947990

ARILOU DLC

CHENJESU DLC

>>15947998

>>15948000

Those DLCs don't actually exist though. See >>15940997 and feel free to follow the actual URL and sources listed.

>>15947998

>Zoq-Fot-Pik

That one's quite the stretch. They don't appear by name, by reference, or by personality. Where did that even get fabricated at?

People are really trying hard to make some activision millionaires out to be victims when they had multiple chances to buy the IP and make another star control game.

>>15948019

>he backed out

>the races were already put into the game

If they intended the races to be in the game but did not put them in the game, then how are they in the game?

The listing shows that it wasn't touched within 4 months of the game's release. If everyone insists that the actual facts are wrong and that these DLCs were sold or released in any form, then somebody - and I mean anybody at all - must have a link where you can download or enable this DLC, or even just a screenshot of the words "Arilou" or "Chenjesu" inside of the game.

>>15948070

>>15948072

Are you okay?

>>15948060

They have the IP. They've been making another Star Control game. That's how this legal battle started in the first place. It's not about them being victims, but about Brad being a giant jew. He threw the first punch by trying to shut down their game, and now he's getting punched back.

>>15948078

>gets sold something by jews

>jews decide they made a bad deal, but want to keep his money, so sue for it back

>this makes him the real jew

>>15948078

>>15948072

If they own the IP, why did they wait until recently to begin working on a game, conveniently after a company who acquired the IP reached out to them and told them that it was okay for them to make their game? Do you think they were having a too good of a time making Skylanders toys? What is your reasoning for them waiting almost 30 years to revisit something they have been talking about working on the entire time?

>>15948084

>They are literally in the game

Okay, then surely you

>must have a link where you can download or enable this DLC, or even just a screenshot of the words "Arilou"

>>15948083

That isn't what happened at all

>Brad buys the name "star Control" from Atari

>Realizes he only has the name

>Tries to trick the fans into giving him Star Control

>Doesn't work

>Sues the OG creators to get the original Star Control

>Doesn't work

>Decides to say screw it and put star control characters in anyways

>Doesn't work

He is a stupid jew

>>15948094

And by star control characters, you mean generic grey aliens, that at worst are an easter egg? Do the activision jews now own grey aliens? Are easter eggs illegal?

>>15948083

He was allowed to trademark "Star Control." That was it. He was never sold the entire IP, he was never licensed it. He tried to sue Paul and Fred to stop them from making their game and strip them of their IP, hoping to out-attrition them in a legal battle. They fought back.

Fred and Paul were okay with him making Origins, as he was not including anything Star Control related, aside from the name. Then, he attacked them, first. They merely retaliated.

>>15948099

>Paul and Fred tried making the game half a dozen times under activision and each time Activision forced them to make skylanders

I see, so you believe that Paul and Fred were forced to work for Activision and was not allowed to leave for, whatever arcane reason you have.

>We went over this multiple times in this thread

You're just posting random unsourced information and saying "literally" repeatedly. Sorry that you're upset.

>>15948111

>literally refered too as Arilou

>literally

Can you literally post a screenshot of literally the word Arilou literally here in this thread?

>>15948111

Ok, Zoe. Where's the 85K?

>>15948091 (6)

>Okay, then surely you

>>must have a link w

not my job to educate you, nigger, do your own research

>>15948131

>>15948128

不适宜对外公开

moral: don't tell people they can't make a new title in a game series they, in fact, own

they might get a bit frustrated

>>15948152

The official advertising called them Arilou. You can't deny that they are Arilou when you literally call them as such. You are so desperate, all of this time you spend shilling your shitty game could have been spent winning the court case lol.

>>15948172

>It's used for marketing the game and in the game files

Can you show where it is used for marketing or in the game files? By that I mean, can you show me where it is in the game files, because one of the only things Stardock got was marketing rights?

>>15948172

>>Alien refered to in game >>15945137

When I asked for an image, why did you get defensive, keep saying 'literally', and throw a pissy fit over 5 posts instead of linking this post? Did you lose your cool or something?

>>15948187

>lol

I'm beginning to consider the possibility that the people I am responding to do not normally post on image boards.

>>15947935

>call something a red herring

>be proven wrong

>call others retarded

Again, Paul and Fred made those claims which are laughable. Other claims, mostly the DLC races, are more serious assuming the SC3 copyright does not include them, but that does not mean they did not make the other claims. I am starting to think there might actually be a shill in this thread and him calling everyone Brad is just a deflection.

>>15948212

>see >>15948124

A banner datamined from Steam's database is not marketing, though I will repeat, that is one of the only things Stardock acquired in the purchase - the contract to market Star Control.

>Because every time I refer you shills to the evidence

I see, I'm sorry you think I am literally every guy you post at.

>Now fuck off.

Do you want me to literally fuck off or just normal fuck off?

Anyway, my whole point was that Arilou and Chenjesu are not in the game. That fact hasn't changed. I'm sorry you got so ass-blasted. The case is retarded enough without you uneducated cunts lying about it, and there is no reason to. When you fabricate shit while legitimate issues remain, you're nothing but a low-grade shill. No need to get absolutely fucking sweaty when you're wrong about something. The Zoq-Fot-Pik inclusion would actually be a potential issue, though the truth of the DMCA doesn't actually involve any of that. The DMCA broadly stated that they are the sole owners of Star Control.

Keep that in mind before you 'literally' make an ass out of yourself again, and quit fabricating shit.

>>15948252

>be proven wrong

You didn't prove anyone wrong

>>15948271

> see Simpsons hit and run

You mean Road Rage, the direct ripoff of Crazy Taxi.

Hit & Run was the GTA-lite game.

>>15948271

>wrong retard

But what he stated isn't wrong. Datamined information isn't marketing. Of course NOW you show that it was used in marketing.

>know my friend drives a white car and tell him it is white

>LOL RETARD MY CAR IS BLACK

>shows an image of his new black car he bought yesterday.

Public education really failed you. Why would you not start with that image to begin with?

I don't understand why Wardell didn't just go for the settlement where the copyright and trademark are respectively respected. He's a big boy and he should know that a legal battle would get them nowhere, regardless of win or loss.

>>15948271

>See pic related

I'm not sure what about that picture would change that one of the only rights they have is marketing rights nor do I see this tweet appearing in the game or the game's files.

>>15948277

He hired the original composers who worked on Star Control 2. By virtue of this case, doesn't that mean that those composers have the full right to the works they created, and therefore Stardock has full rights to the music? Are you claiming that the authors kept all rights to the aliens they wrote, but the composers did not retain rights to the music they wrote?

>>15948332

>He's a big boy and he should know that a legal battle would get them nowhere, regardless of win or loss

I don't think anyone actually truly understands this concept. You cannot reboot a series and be positively received. It happens so frequently that it's almost mind boggling when people are surprised that their reboots are flopping. His best bet was when he tried to hire Paul and Fred, and then they could have all just continued where Star Control 2 left off. He shouldn't have bid on Star Control without first contacting Paul and Fred and getting them on board. I'm more surprised that he didn't try making this kind of game using Galactic Civilization's universe.

>>15948385

> He shouldn't have bid on Star Control without first contacting Paul and Fred and getting them on board

This all comes back to Atari trying to sell rights they never owned.

>>15948332

Because Wardell is an egotistic retard with dumb as brick people whispering in his ears and they told him he could have it all.

>let me do a point by point rebuttal of an in aggregate demonstration of mechanics copypasted from SC2 that also differ from SC3, the game brad owns and no one likes

>there are people who have played origins but not SC2 arguing that he's just so smart that he lost a court case spectacularly and screaming how right he is

b r i l l i a n t

>>15948392

they might have had a legitimate chance in a joint venture against atari but stardock burned that bridge with the almighty blowtorch of hubris

Wait nevermind I guess I was wrong, code can be both copywrited and patented, but I'd still question whether there can be any specific claims to code made here.

>>15948426

>>15948385

>>15948319

>>15948261

>>15948204

>>15948013

>>15947990

>>15947912

>>15947743

Anyone else notice that all of the posts/users defending Brad are using reddit spacing?

We are literally getting shilled and this is proof. Actual fucking users don't format like this and yet all of the idiots shilling for Brad are formating this exact same way.

>>15948441

leddit spacing is a 8chan meme meant to derail legit posts.

>>15948441

That isn't reddit spacing you moron

>>15948441

Good catch

>>15948454

>>15948447

Look, they changed IDs after getting called out.

>>15948441

>/v/ is a hive mind where all users always agree with me

Yelling "shill" at people isn't an argument. There is nothing you can do to prove that using common sci-fi tropes or having Easter Eggs in your game is somehow copyright infringement, and therefore abuse of the DMCA system is justified. What's next, sueing MGM over grey aliens in Stargate SG-1? Letting this bullshit fly would only lead to greater abuse in the future.

>>15948472

The what?

>>15948508

Which matters jackshit to the argument.

Leddit spacing is a meme to derail topic.

>>15948508

Reddit spacing is adding an extra space between every line.

This post for example.

>>15948518

STO is actually 9, I forgot 'field of view on map' since the colors are kinda similar

>>15948128

>funko pop

>le resistance is female

checks out

>>15940454

I'd rather have the other anon actually discussing things than you just shitting on people for going off what you consider the topic to be. You go kill yourself instead.

>>15940396

With all these companies fighting eachother over scraps while they lose huge amounts of stock value, revenue, games that fail to meet sales expectations and a tapped out whale population while everyone's desperately making BRs when even that market's already completely oversaturated, can we say 'gaming industry crash' yet?

>>15947441

I don't think either side is innocent here but that's rich coming from all the blatant IP hopping that was going on in this thread calling other's Brad or shills. have some self awareness before accusing others.

>>15948898

perfect time for a (1) to accuse people of IP hopping, isn't it?

2e1b34 Are you being paid to sperg?

>>15948891

The only good thing about China's censorship is the way they'll push all the foreign games out of their country, forcing their citizens to play shitty Chinese-made ripoffs instead. Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft and all the rest will cry to the UN which will write a stern letter and life will go on.

>>15948441

>Actual fucking users don't format like this

I'm just being a nitpicking asshole about this but phoneposters will also format their posts like that because it's more pleasant to read.

>>15949163

Nah, the Chinese will takeover the executive positions while firing the former guys who gave them those positions. They do that a lot especially if it's something like ownership over a natural resource or really influential company.

that new game can be pirated. but is it any good? premise looks interesting but read its full of game breaking bugs but its not early access what the?

>>15951304

read that gathering minerals is absolutely broken and with this dmca stuff it wont get a fix

>>15951394

what the fuck is going on in that picture

>>15951425

Code Black

>>15951394

>>15951629

>>15951425

So that's what black alert is.

>>15951629

code black is a bomb threat. Come on dude.

That's a code green.

>>15951412

I played a pirated copy for a bit. You can grind out minerals if necessary, it gets easier as you upgrade your lander, and since there isn't a time limit it should be possible to get all you need. There's a spreadsheet out there with a list of good mineral planets near Sol.

The fix was supposed to make mineral grinding less necessary, I heard it was patched before the DMCA but I stopped playing long before it was released. There might be an updated DDL/torrent somewhere out there.

>>15951721

Maybe dat nigga's da bomb?

Daily reminder that Brad goes to here a cuckchan and is more than likely shilling himself here just like he does on the UQM forum.

>>15952142

>Star Control is reddit

>Defending Brad

Even if you aren't a shill you clearly aren't from here.

Holy shit the guy is still sperging?!

>>15952590

You talking about Brad? He posts like 4 posts an hour on his twitter trying to play victim.

>>15947451

>Retarded shills don't know how law works

It's not the individual pieces but them put together that constitutes the case for plagiarism. Just like how a song is made up of individual lyrics but if you put them all together and they formed a copyrighted song you would be in trouble. This is how Crazy Taxi was able to sue the devs behind The Simpsons Road rage. I am convinced the idiots going "Hurr durr they are both red" have to be Brad's twitter squad or employees scared of losing their job. Even without the alien names this would be a very solid case for plagiarism, with the aliens and ship designs this is basically a done deal. Brad was an idiot and he get's what he deserves.

I don't think Reiche or Ford really helped their case making that chart at all. People were accusing Stardock of making it up it was so poor.

forums.starcontrol.com/492870/at-long-last-reiche-and-ford-state-what-they-think-they-own

Taken as a whole instead of the individual parts there's a bigger case to be made, but it's overall still trying to claim IDEAS were stolen which is going to be a hell of an uphill battle at the end of the day. Certainly possible but not really all the defendable that it should be done. But then again no side here is really defendable in my opinion.

>inb4 muh boff sidez

>>15948977

yup, now a (2). I was lurking and noticed a lot of IP hopping calling others Brad shills, which made me suspect to say the least.

>>15952688

I'm talking about you spergs.

>>15953136

>which is going to be a hell of an uphill battle at the end of the day.

No it isn't, Brad has to prove the assets they're accusing him of using is not infringing copyrights. He only owns the trademark of the name and SC3 original assets. If he cannot prove otherwise then he loses the case, if he doesn't bring it up then he's stuck with obeying the DMCA.

>>15953611

Isn't there some trademark bullshit was imitating the "look and feel" of a property? Different from character likeness but still

>>15953611

Brad is knowingly using the average brainlet's ignorance to his advantage here. He's going "Lol they want to copyright a color, you can't do that!".

In reality it's not each individual piece of evidence but all instances together that make an actually strong case against Star Control Origins. Because of the DMCA it is on Brad to prove that taken as a whole it isn't a clear rip off of SC2. Given that he recently infringed on other trademarks from the older games this will actually be difficult for him to do. In honesty the best case scenario for Brad assuming he actually doesn't settle out of court and actually wins is a long and lengthy battle lasting years where neither Steam nor GOG will be able to sell the game. If he loses the court case he may get sued for 10s of millions.

Basically Brad is fucked.

>>15953611

Reminder that this is the guy that sued the creators of Star Control 2 because they referred to themselves as the creators of Star Control 2.

>>15953691

>>15953688

>>15953611

Brad has admitted in writing to Paul and Fred that his game contains proprietary content of theirs, including ships and a major combat system. All they have to do is take whatever mail or email he sent them into court in order to prove that he knowingly infringed. The judge doesn't even have to look at the game.

>>15953750

The worst thing is, this is NOT ABOUT GG. Who cares if he was pro GG, if he is a fucking self-victimizing kike?

>>15953732

Here's what he thinks

>Next in regards to suit - it looks to me that Stardock sued Paul and Fred to stop them from using the IP. Paul and Fred have counter sued. Correct me if that's wrong but I think that's what's happened. I know that Paul and Fred don't want to be spending their time and money in a legal battle - and I hope the same is true for Brad and Stardock. As to whether Brad's assertion that Paul and Fred saying their new game is a sequel to Star Control 2 will damage sales of Stardock's game - who knows. Somebody asked "why didn't Paul and Fred object sooner?" Well it's because they didn't see a problem in Stardock making the game, and they didn't believe it would limit them from building theirs. Take a look at which direction the law suits are flowing.

>>15953776

This guy get's it. Brad is just getting a taste of his own medicine and is whinning like a bitch because he didn't expect to face Karma. He literally tried DMCAing the original creators but yet thought he would get away with it after stealing work.

I think the biggest joke is that the game looks like crap. Brad's temper tantrum, which he himself says puts the jobs of many of his employees in jeopardy, which WILL lead to a lengthy and expensive legal battle if he doesn't back down or agree to a settlement, is all because of a game that looks like a Sunday morning toddler's edutainment show that isn't gonna sell worth a piss.

>>15954089

i wouldnt call you a cynic if youre using the word "usually".

>>15954089

Not only does a development studio not guarantee a good game (it's just a label, the turnover in game development is ridiculous) but game developers themselves also don't ensure quality. Rockstar big name devs like Romero and Spector don't mean anything because the team composition at that specific point in time with the influences of that era is what matters. It's also entirely possible that games are just good due to flukes. The same team that made the original Deus Ex also made Invisible War for example.

>>15954144

>he same team that made the original Deus Ex also made Invisible War for example.

All they did was finish up the scraps other companies already worked on.

>>15953732

Yeah, Starflight was the original, Star Control 2 was just a shitty ripoff since their first pseudo strategy game sucked ass.

>>15953758

>Who cares if he was pro GG, if he is a fucking self-victimizing kike?

Mark will gladly step up to defend one of his brethren

>>15954328

>>15953758

Looks like Mark is deleting criticism again.

WEW

>>15955699

Ban

Reason

>Insulting my fuck buddy Brad

>>15955738

https://8ch.net/bans.html

>ban by Board Volunteer

>reason: Ban evasion, marielx

I don't know who that is probably some IRC or discord drama nobody cares about, but I've seen it time and again the moment you admit to using a proxy from a ban you're banned. Now both his proxies are marked so he'll be banned more readily in the future, what a fool.

MARK DELETED MY POST

SEETHING

>>15955765

Posting again

>>15955765

If you look at the posts that were deleted they are all posts that post evidence of Brad being a kike or posts of people complaining about Mark deleting posts with evidence. Mark and the volunteers are going full damage control. Posting evidence is now against the rules apparently so of course people are going to do a quick IP change. You know we came to this site specifically because we weren't happy with people deleting the evidence we gathered right? So far all I see is Mark being a jew and banning people and calling them spergs and when they call him out on it they get banned as well.

Just like Brad himself Mark is fruitlessly sperging out himself and playing the victim but it wont stop people from posting evidence or telling the facts.

>Meanwhile, Wardell posted a seemingly dire analysis of the state of PC gaming on his personal blog in late December. In it, he noted that in order to recoup the investment required to make Star Control: Origins Stardock would need to release the game on modern consoles. With the potential for more DMCA claims in the future from Ford and Reiche, it seems unlikely that Star Control: Origins will be up for sale on those platforms any time soon.

Lol, Origins is a financial flop and he wanted to justify making a shitty console port of the game. He wont even be able to do that.

>>15956402

Can't wait to see Brads stupidity and greed bankrupt the company

>>15955765

He's that fucking spic that keeps trying to get free OC of his waifu from that Maginogi mmo, once posted his dick I believe.

He is an absolute lolcow.

>>15953732

While I'm not happy at all with Brad/Stardock originally suing the creators, shit like this is why I can't remotely defend the Judaism of a DMCA due to the "feel" and ideas of said thing and why I don't really feel any side here is worth defending.

>>15956894

spics are known to have autism and aspergers that's why they are loud counts

>>15956894

Why don't you look at your own Twitter feed Brad?

You continue to call the people posting evidence as spergs and claim IP hopping when you have made this exact same post from multiple (1) and dones. Why not come up with an actual defense instead of shitposting on /v/?

>>15953732

Even with this narrow comparison there are gaps between Starflight and SC2, and the comparable qualities present aren't as convincing even in aggregate.

Obviously SC2 was going for a similar feel, no one would argue that, but it also added features like fleets, the radar, and modules.

SCO did no such thing compared to SC2. At best in this context it added a UI indicator for cargo, which is pure QOL.

Finally, the fact that Star Control Origins is using the same mark as Star Control 2 with this array of copycat aesthetics and features mean that buyers could mistake the two products, which would not generally happen under Starflight, a game under different mark with different aesthetics and fewer/different features.

You can't post that picture and tell me Origins doesn't just look like an HD remake of SC2.

Starflight would still have a better case to sue than Origins would have to rebut.

This side by side does make it clear SC3 was trying to 'get back' to the Starflight conceptual roots, neat.

>>15956938

Stop ID hopping nigger. You're actually making your case look worse because now any (1) and dones that might have agreed with you now just look like one fag throwing the biggest 'tism fit ever.

>>15956947

This, also the reason it's such a good case is because Brad openly said he was directly copying SC2 and he is using the similarities between the 2 games to argue he DESERVES the IP. Brad fucked himself and is his worst enemy. No matter how similar Starflight and Star Control are you will never have documents proving that SCO was purposely ripping Flight off or have direct things like races copied directly.

Also this all started because of Brad, Paul and Fred just used Brads own argument against him.

>>15956971

I'm not IP hopping you dumb faggot. Unlike you I'm willing to say that I'm another Anon but I'm in another location so another IP. You yourself are clearly IP hopping and yet trying to claim others are. You have no argument at all outside of calling people spergs for posting actual evidence. You are making it more and more convincing that you are a pathetic shill.

star control origins was fucking shit so w/e

>>15956999

I don't even care that much about the game. I'm calling you a sperg because you're acting like a fucking sperg and being a really obvious samefag. I'm not even gonna check your trips as you posted in this thread so many damn times of course you'd have digits by now.

>>15944996

That's hilarious. 3 different IPs with 20 posts all crying Spergs yet you claim I'm the one IP hopping and sperging. I have less posts in this thread, I can tell you that. Instead of letting the big boys talk you had to interject with your autism and call the kettle black. At this point I hope you are getting paid to shill because if you are doing it for free then it's truly sad. I'm going to go back to making on topic posts and archiving evidence while you project your own autism some more.

>>15957083

Meant for >>15957046 but it doesn't matter since I am clearly addressing the same dumb like.

Brad's been scouring twitter for trannies to reply to so he can push the narrative that it's exclusively SJWs who want to see him lose.

>>15957207

Of course. GG was made to point out the scam artists and kikes but scam artists and kikes can use it to their advantage. The average goy will li. to his side of the story and think “SJW censorship!”. Thankfully he could get all the good goys on his side yet it won’t make a difference.

>>15943694

well we did have a video from an actual lawyer but that doesn't matter because "muh jewtube"

>>15955995

You think too highly of yourself and are even more incompetent then the Mods.

The Mods are entirely reliant on posting history, you see. Since you use a proxy, probably a popular proxy, absolutely nothing you post is distinguishable from what anyone else posts for that proxy which looks like a unique ID from a Mod's point of view with all the posts from that ID being one big list of posts. If somebody else does something and get that proxy banned and all posts deleted by IP then you are just unfortunate collateral.

As proof of this none of the other Brad stuff is being deleted or has been deleted.

So long as you use a proxy you're just going to have to suck up the fact that any moment all your posts will disappear because somebody else decided to shitpost enough to piss Mark off with no fault of your own.

>>15951891

Were you the patient or security/staff?

>>15948441

>le leddit spacing

>spacing is used ONLY by redditors and NO ONE ELSE!

There is no such thing. There is only spacing that some people use, some don't.

I realzie some unfortunate sould never exit their basement and never had a proper education, but some of us do.

>>15966685

>one of the other Brad stuff has been deleted

See >>15955995

>>15953718

>>15953755

The video by the lawyer

The image of the legal papers

the image of the trademarks

All of these posted by different anons (or at least different IPs) all deleted.

>>15948441

But none of that is reddit spacing. At worst it's formatting paragraphs to make the post phone-friendly as opposed to a space after every line.

>>15953136

>Taken as a whole instead of the individual parts there's a bigger case to be made

The issue with prior art throws a wrench into that. Most elements R&F accused Brad of stealing are present in pre-existing media.

>>15969128

I can clearly still see those posts you just hyperlinked with brad specific stuff are still up, and only banned posts show up on public ban lists. The boardlog only shows individual post numbers deleted. Since none of the posts in this specific thread was on the boardlog as far as ctrl+f for 5 pages I have no reason to believe other then an all posts by IP deletion which deletes all posts. Unless you can prove to me all of those IDs are not proxies I have no reason to believe anything but you taking it personally.

You're still incompetent since you're not actually reposting brad stuff anyways since if you were actually right then it'd be deleted multiple times including the other stuff you posted. Then if that doesn't stop you then full thread deletion, since that's how Mark actually does things when he wants to cover something up.

>>15969393

>I can clearly still see those posts you just hyperlinked with brad specific stuff are still up

Yeah, after getting taken down once or twice before.

>Unless you can prove to me all of those IDs are not proxies

Amazing argument faggot.

>T-Those posts are just proxies

You would have a point if they were all deleted but individual posts were deleted. Of course given that they are deleted I can't fucking show you them any more. Also multiple posts were deleted without bans.

>You're still incompetent since you're not actually reposting brad stuff anyways

I did, they got deleted again you goy.

>>15969405

>You would have a point if they were all deleted but individual posts were deleted.

Feel free to look for them then: https://8ch.net/log.php?board=v

ctrl+f for a full 2 week of post deletions shows absolutely nothing of any of the posts I've tried here. The only post deletion that matches the timeframe is IP post deletion which deletes all posts not individual posts. Again, stop posting froma proxy and not expect anything to happen to you especially since there is bots on rotation that specifically switch proxies.Those dubs checking posts and mark's asshole is what those bots post.

>>15953611

Sega owns an idea of a camera angle for racing games.

>>15969451

>Y-You are just from a proxy

>W-When Mark deletes posts from an entire IP it must be because it's from a Proxy and not because he wants to delete evidence or anything

Why would delete "proxy" posts but not actually ban the user? See >>15953718 and the post with the lawyer.

You keep screaming they must be proxies without any evidence.

You are defending the same kike that deleted Star Control 2 threads because he didn't realize SC2 was a videogame yet let's "Mark threads" stay up because he is an egomaniac.

>>15953611

Also Coca-Cola owns their color of red.

>>15969500

>Brad was a retard and got ripped off, why didn't the SC2 devs also act like retards and get ripped off?

Of course they declined, why would they care about buying a trademark for a name when they own the IP? All they had to do was not call the New SC game Star Control 3 and instead they called it "Ghost of the precursors".

>>15969485

Because one is a Jew and the other is just giving them a taste of their own medicine. Do you think it's wrong for someone to shoot someone attacking them because they are both being violent?

>>15969513

I'd believe that, if P&F weren't in talks with Activision since 2006 about them publishing a new star control game. Either there wasn't nearly as much interest in another entry as they think, or Activision would only move when they had all the rights, which they didn't due to Atari's bankruptcy before new negotiations could take place between P&F and Atari about the rights situation.

>>15969483

>Why would delete "proxy" posts but not actually ban the user?

Did you even look at the boardlog? Since they're separate actions they show up separately.

Again all the other shit with brad is still up that you keep going back to, if Mark was actually hiding things even just a peep out of you would be immediately deleted because he'd be hovering over the thread 24/7. The exact same things he does when people make Nintendo look bad.

>You keep screaming they must be proxies without any evidence.

I don't need evidence because I am a proxyfag, I can tell from experience. Getting my posts deleted because of someone else is annoying but unlike you I'm actually aware that other people use this proxy.

>You are defending

You make it sound like it's hard, so far all you've been doing is pointing to the same posts over and over again and you haven't even tried to repost anything else. It's literally just a minor inconvenience at most, if you're that paranoid then don't do a dump just provide stuff in piecemeal.

>egomaniac.

You only just now realized Mark suffers from eceleb syndrome.

>>15969529

>Hur during both sides r dumb

>>15969569

>Stuff in piecemeal

That's how it was. Not that Anon but there were a good 40 posts deleted, most of them posting caps or archives. Anons did post a lot of the stuff again but sadly not all of it was reposted or was deleted a 2nd time.

>>15969529

Read the thread. They tried making it multiple times. You same idiot shills says the exact same posts and get proven wrong dozens of times. At least read the thread before saying the same exact retarded shill shit.

>>15970398

>>15970743

So you idiots don't post caps when your cache hasn't emptied yet?

>>15971125

I'm saying, the original Star Control creators have tried making sequels multiple times. Each time they got a few months in and activision forced them to do something else. If Paul and Fred got their way we would have had SC3 15 years ago.

>>15971245

I'm talking to those guys about the meta topic of Mark being an idiot/nefarious Jew.