/v/ - Video Games

Reminds me that I still need to give SMRPG a go sometime.

You would think, after all this time, Square (now Square Enix) would do another Super Mario RPG with Nintendo. A lot of people would be hyped for that, especially if it continues after the Legend of the Seven Stars or had Geno in it. I guess people would think it might go too Kingdom Hearts with it.

>>15929442

Was that game actually any good?

>>15929427

>fav Mario RPG?

Paper Mario TTYD

Honorable Mentions: Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario 1, Super Paper Mario

>fav party member?

Vivian, from TTYD

HM: Bow/Bombette in PM1, Bowser/Peach in SMRPG

>fav boss?

Final Bowser fight in Paper Mario 1

That fucking music.

>fav power?

Paper Mario 1: Skolar's Star Spirit attack

TTYD: Earth Tremor attack

>fav place?

Every level in TTYD is too good.

>any hope for the future?

Maybe. Not a lot tho.

>>15929442

>>15929465

The game was a lot better with Donkey Kong than with Mario. It was fun if you can find it cheap enough but it definitely has a Ubisoft budget and production values rather than Nintendo.

>>15929465

Oddly yes. The movement ability of your team adds something other games like FF tactics or Xcom don't have. Bouncing off a foe and landing on a ledge above them then shooting them from that vantage point for high ground advantage damage is always fun.

Fucking Rabbids though still as annoying as always.

>tfw Mario RPG game with Wario and Waluigi as protagonists

>tfw I will never do wrestling styled tag team attacks on my enemies

Fuck off Nintendo.

I can't bring myself to play TTYD. If it's good, I know there will never be anything better and I'll probably want to fucking kill myself. If it's bad somehow I'll just end up disappointed and probably also want to kill myself. There's no real solution aside from not playing it. Honestly the only hope I have for the Mario RPGs is if they make a sequel to the first one, but with a job system based on powerups. I think that could be a fun idea. I wouldn't even mind if Geno and Mallow didn't come back, since their stories pretty much ended, and Lugi needs more of a spotlight, not to mention there's a bunch of other characters who would also work. I'm probably better off waiting for a Kirby RPG with a job system based off copy abilities at this point, at least HAL wouldn't fuck it up.

>>15929516

>tfw, despite the format of the handheld Mario Golfs, we never got a Mario RPG with Plum as the protagonist

How are the more recent Mario RPGs? Dream Team and I think there was a crossover with Paper Mario too. I'm not sure if there being no mention yet is a good or bad sign.

>>15929635

Yes. It's called Bug Fables.

>>15929640

but its from tumblr and lets you pick your gender

>>15929665

>pick your gender

Tons of games do that, having the option for a male of female protagonist. Shit, most RPGs with any sort of character creation have done that for years.

>>15929665

Isn't it just that moth character who does that royalty stereotype of saying "we" a lot?

>>15929516

>You will never see Wario chuck Waluigi's lanky ass through a half broken window to bypass Toad trying to force backtracking to get a key.

>>15929665

>Pick your gender.

Standard shit for a lot of RPGs anon.

>>15929519

I atarted a level up BP only run the other day. Do it man. The level design is much less open and mysterious than PM64 (lots of areas that only open left and right, chapters are pretty linear with a lot of walking back and forth) and the field movement isn't as interesting as SSS, but that battle system is A+, best of the Maryo RPG's. The partners are great too.

saw a vid on YT buy some guy that got his hands on BiS remake early via nip release. Supposedly the game is harder this time around. But they messed up ending by not stopping the music as it did in the original

>>15929677

>>15929680

>>15929727

>>15929665

*make your own custom gender that all the NPCs use to a fault without telling it to them

>>15929457

Who would want it? Square Enix have been making nothing but shit since the merger and now even Nintendo's Mario RPGs are fucking garbage

>>15929833

>less fun rehash of Paper Mario 64

You can't have less than nothing faggot.

>>15929840

Ever heard of negative numbers?

>>15929833

And yet it's still better than Super Paper Mario or anything beyond it, making it comparative gold.

>>15929844

>amount of enjoyment can be quantified by numbers

What kind of robot are you?

>>15929833

Is this all just because you hate the GameCube? I hear that whenever someone hates [something], they tend to hate everything related to it as well.

Person A hates GameCube.

Persona A also hates GameCube-related things. Including its games and fans.

>>15929850

SPM's writing didn't actively piss me off. Hell, neither did fucking Color Splash's.

>>15929851

>unable to express amount of enjoyment in numeric form

Were you one of those people who were really good at literature in school and nothing else?

>>15929854

What reason is there to hate a console aside for a lack of games? Rather than hating Gamecube games because of hating the Gamecube, I hate the Gamecube because its games are shit, and those games are shit for their own reasons. This is a Paper Mario thread and I explained why I think TTYD is shit. There are more reasons but those are the big ones.

>>15929818

Isn't Octopath Traveler supposed to be good?

>>15929864

Sounds subjective. You're clearly in the minority of people who think the GameCube had nothing but "shit games". TTYD, Melee, Sunshine, and Wind Waker were all superb games (at least imo). The GameCube did have more than just those 4 great games, so it's hard to discredit them all simply for just being on the GameCube's library.

>>15929864

So you're admitting you're a sophisticated bot?

>>15929889

You're not really making a good point, Sunshine is a rushed mess, Wind Waker is a rushed mess that was way too easy, and Smash has never really been any good if I'm being honest and I don't know why I played any of them. At least point out the good GameCube games like the Pikmin games or something.

>>15929864

>Liking Color Splash's localization

Because I seriously doubt you know Japanese. Here's a genuine question, what are some of your favorite games?

mario uses fire hand for his forward smash, why doesnt luigi use thunder hand?

>>15929953

Because they don't like acknowledging the Mario RPGs at all. As a matter of fact the only fighter that references the RPGs at all is fucking Piranha Plant.

>>15929969

I mean you like Super Mario 64 which is just Sunshine but on the N64. I don't play many video games, but I have played Mario 64 and I'm honestly not impressed with it, or really any Mario game if I'm being honest.

>>15929979

Mario 64 didn't have the most original level settings, but it had more than one theme, at the very fucking least.

Mario 64 had some solid platforming challenges, something Sunshine tried to have but could not because they gave you a gimmick that makes it physically impossible to fail a jump unless you are a mental fucking invalid. Just like the stages that didn't focus on gravity in Galaxy and captureless runs of Odyssey, the parts without FLUDD were the only good and even remotely challenging parts of Sunshine. Too bad they were the severe fucking minority. And while 64 had a few tedious stars, nothing will be as fucking tedious as Sunshine's blue coins, replacing 1/5 of the game, 1/5 that could have been interesting platforming challenges, or interesting missions of any other kind.

Then there's smaller stuff, like Sunshine's OST being forgettable except Delfino Plaza - the song you're forced to hear more than any other, coincidentally. That, and for as broken as 64 is, I never ran into any gliches without going out of my way for them, except maybe that strange thing where you stick on the edge. Meanwhile, Sunshine, I clipped through that damn lilypad several times.

>>15929635

>Isn't some small dev making an off-brand paper mario clone?

A few, but one of the better Paper Mario inspired games is Under Hero. It's faint but you can taste hints of it with some of the style and dialogue, but the combat system is strangely similar to Mario RPGs in that they rely on a lot of timing to attack and dodge. Though it's in time with the music too, which was a good spin.

It actually is a really fun game, especially the end since it actually does something like what Super Paper Mario tried to do but way better.

>>15929661

Could do with being harder than it is

>>15929989

I get you, I was talking on a basic level design basis that Sunshine and 64 are basically the same. Maybe Sunshine has longer gaps, but that's really only there because Fludd makes you have to do it, as opposed to the mostly optional long jump from 64 that basically covers the same distance just less controlled but faster. I'm sure if I did some statistical analysis on d-distance or some shit I'd find that the jumps would be functionally the same. I'd say Mario was better in 2D, but when the biggest contenders are one of the first games like it in existence, a game that relies heavily on set pieces, and an intentionally casualized game, I'm not really sure anymore. Then again I'm the kind of person that thinks Banjo Tooie is a pretty good Metroidvania so clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about.

>>15929938

Previously, all I would have recommended to you was Tales of Symphonia or something similar. Since before you mentioned your love for Pikmin, all I really knew about you is that you like to play Jrpgs and, well, that was about it. It seems like you have no problems writing off entire series (Smash), not because they were terrible games with serious faults per se, but only because their gameplay just wasn't to your specific liking. Just seems like a cheap way calling a game like Melee "shit" if you ask me. It's like me (someone who doesn't like RTS games at all) calling StarCraft 1 shit due to my own subjective preferences.

>rushed games

Most games are rushed to a degree. I learned this the hard way when I became a 3D modeler for a small college project. Deadlines are, well, a mess. Devs are on the clock most of the time and the great ideas they have aren't always implemented. Most "finished" games are rushed in some sense, but Sunshine and Wind Waker were pretty well-done for the most part. I'd be surprised if you, despite them being short to you because you feel they're rushed or whatever, didn't find them fun whatsoever in the final product you got.

>easy Wind Waker

How skilled are you at games, if you don't mind me asking? Do you usually breeze through most games or no? If it's difficulty you're after, try giving the Souls series a spin. They're similar to Zelda's gameplay, but unlike the cartoony Wind Waker which is clearly geared towards kids, the Souls series might offer the mature and difficult experience that 18+ people like yourself are looking for.

>>15930011

nothing provides a true soulslike experience like the original soulslike game series, dark souls.

>>15930011

I play JRPGs for the gameplay, my favorite Final Fantasy is 5, so yeah that's really all that matters to me. I also like breaking the game over it's knees.

You seem to not fucking understand what rushed means, so I don't think you know what you're talking about. Sunshine is padded to retarded levels where you have to clear 7 of the 8 missions in a level for no reason other than they wanted you to do that, meaning that every optional shine is pointless unless you want a postcard or the joy of 100%, not to mention the over reliance on red coin missions telling me they couldn't even finish a satisfying 7 missions per level. Wind Waker is much better done, but it's clear they only had one difficult dungeon done by the time they hit crunch time, and probably had a much better idea for whatever the Triforce hunt was piecemealed together from.

As for difficulty, I'm terrible at video games but even Wind Waker was a bit below my skill level. and True Arena Kirby gives me trouble consistently since I don't fucking block because I'm retarded. My favorite Zelda games are MM and the GameBoy trilogy, Minish Cap is pretty good, and I have a soft spot for the DS games even though they're probably terrible.

As for the Darkdemonblood series, Dark Souls doesn't look hard, it looks slow and is actually pretty forgiving since you can get your EXP back instead of losing it forever, fucking Dragon Quest is less forgiving than that. Demon's Souls does look hard though, I like the idea of a game fucking you over if you fuck up, even if I probably wouldn't play it. If I want to play a hard game that looks fun, I'll just play something by Platinum or Clover or something, The Wonderful 101 was pretty great. I should probably play Okami one of these days, actually.

>>15930029

>True Arena Kirby gives me trouble consistently since I don't fucking block because I'm retarded

or maybe youre just not a fuckin babby

>>15930036

Look, I try to pick abilities (on or Star Ally's case, characters) that have lots of I-frames, but that can only do so much, and I try to tank hits when I should be getting the fuck out of the way. Not to mention that I've never been great with shoulder buttons to begin with, I'm not sure why but it's probably just me being retarded. It's one thing to play Kid Icarus Uprising where the L button is like the only button that matters, and another thing to have to also manage your face buttons and a stick or D-pad, but maybe I'm just bad at holding controllers.

>>15930029

>Sunshine is padded to retarded levels where you have to clear 7 of the 8 missions in a level for no reason other than they wanted you to do that

No. Every level had a star where you have to chase down Shadow Mario. In order to assess the lava mountain, you just had to complete all the Shadow Mario stars of each of the levels. Then the plaza gets flooded afterwards.

That's just how the game is structured. The "pointless" stars that come before these Shadow Mario ones are there to stop you from simply hopping from one level to the level, only doing SM stars to quickly assess the final level too early. Speedrunners know how skip stars, sure (WR is about 1.5 hours), but the game will give most players more than 1.5 hours of playtime for their buck. Since usually, they go through and complete these "pointless" stars in sequence as intended. Otherwise, they could have had a really short Sunshine experience from start to finish.

Every level had a red coin star iirc, but I'm not sure why you thought those were a problem. I didn't have difficulties doing these easter egg hunt levels myself. My only coin-related issues with Sunshine weren't with finding the red ones, but finding all the hidden blue ones throughout the world. Which were a pain.

[Truthfully, my memory on Sunshine is a bit hazy. I 100%'d it 4 years back, so I'm just faintly remembering whatever issues I had with it.]

Perhaps it's time to replay again to refresh my memory again. But collecting red coins or completing "pointless" stars in a row weren't at all issues I had with it. I think… collecting blue coins, that shitty gondola lava ride, and that hard yoshi island level were my main problems with Sunshine.

>difficult WW dungeon

Which one gave you troubles?

>>15930165

You missed the point. WHY is Shadow Mario required? Why should I have to clear those specific missions? The only totally required stars in 64 are the first one in Bob-omb Battlefield and the first one in Dire Dire Docks. If every 7th mission weren't required, then all the plaza and secret shines would have a point. And the problem with red coin stars isn't that each level had one. The problem is that several levels had several of them, meaning that they just threw it together because they didn't have time to do anything with it. I'd rather have a short game that was fun and didn't waste my fucking time. At least the watermelon and every annoying shine you mentioned (aside from the final boat ride) you don't ever need to touch because it doesn't actually advance the game state.

And for WW, it's less about difficulty and more about how none of them but the Wind Temple require you to do anything but progress linearly through the dungeon. The only way the game could be more patronizing is if, after you get the dungeon item then immediately get a shortcut back to the room you need to use the item in (this happens in almost every dungeon by the way), is if the "helper" character then told you exactly what to do (this is why I haven't played Skyward Sword). The Wind Temple requires you to think a little which is more than I can say for most of the dungeons. I will say that I prefer the overworld of WW greatly compared to most other Zelda games, but unfortunately that's only because it sort of resembles the first game but a lot worse. I prefer BotW to most other console Zeldas for similar reasons, you've probably seen me in a BotW threat desperately wishing for a remake of the first game in it's engine.

I notice you aren't trying to shill Smash to me, because I've got a lot to say about it. How about it's only fun with friends? Because if you don't have friends, you'r better off playing Kirby Super Star or any of the modern Kirby games, they're all a better spin on the same general mechanics.

>>15932031

Never said I liked it. I said it was better than Wind Waker.

>>15932031

Mechanically BotW is the better game. Game design wise, WW barely wins out. Both of them are worse than the first Zelda, I don't know how you manage to fuck that up aside from running out of time, which they did. Did you know: Eiji Aounuma has never beaten the first Zelda? Did you also know: Hidemaro Fujibayashi directed the following Zelda games, both Oracle games, Minish Cap, Skyward Sword, and Breath of the Wild. So he basically directed most of the best and worst Zelda games. He also actually really likes the first Zelda, and given how SS and BotW are pretty much oppposite ends of the spectrum I'd rather have him in charge of Zelda than Aounuma.

>What is your favorite Mario RPG?

TTYD

>Who is your favorite party member?

Admiral Bobbery

>Who is your favorite boss?

Bonetail

>What is your favorite power?

Like badges, abilities, partners? Not really sure.

>What is your favorite level/section/chapter/area/etc.

Glitzville

>Is there any hope for the future?

Always

>>15929833

don't give this anon any (you)s, he just wants attention.

You have to be severely retarded to not realize TTYD is an excellent game

>>15929661

This.

>What is your favorite Mario RPG?

The first one. 2 party members made the rest of the games shallow as fuck compared to the original.

>>15929457

A lot of the people from Square who worked on SMRPG went on to form Alphadream corporation and worked on the Mario and Luigi games anyway. There's nothing left of value at Squeenix.

>favorite Mario RPG

I really only ever played through M&L:PiT, and the very, very start of BiS.

Also, this exists: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Super_Mario_RPG

>Favorite mario rpg

TTYD / Super mario RPG / SSS

>Favorite party member

Design wise, vivian. Yoshi kid is a bro. Geno

Gameplay wise, IDK. They're all good.

>favorite boss

probably many of the good ones from M&L. paper mario series had better tracks and varied ones for all bosses, making the experience great, but M&L bosses had great mechanics

>favorite power

I don't have one tbh

>Favorite level

Crystal Palace is a memorable dungeon. Train from TTYD is a memorable level. Most of the good dungeons come from Paper mario series, while M&L excel in battle gameplay

>any hope for the future

M&L is doing fine, but there is no hope for good paper marios unless nintendo actually gets in touch with its customers and realizes the new paper marios and complete garbage.

There is more hope in fan contribution and work than an actual new good paper mario at this point. Somebody needs to mod TTYD and make Paper Luigi's and the magical compass.

Boy did they completely butcher the boss theme in the Bowser's Inside Story remake. Which is funny because the rest of the remakes, while certainly not perfect, seem better then the attempts made in Superstar Saga remake soundtracks.

Why is Yoko Shimomura so terrible at arranging her own Mario and Luigi soundtracks? The new songs added to each remake sound fine and quality, yet the re-arranges of the past music sounds cheap and thus creates this weird discrepancy.

>>15944689

Ouch.

> Favorite Mario Rpg

Dream Team

>Favorite party Member

Luigi

>Favorite Boss

Dark Bowser in inside story

>favorite power

Bomb Derby

>favorite level

Usually bowsers keeps because of the layouts

>hope for the future?

Yes, probably. They can still do crossovers right? Mario and Kirby?Kirby can suck enemies up to use in battle and the way to progress is to find a proper way to use his powers against bosses. or Bring back booster and make him a big bad with (possible wife and daughter/son to counter mario and luigi while bowser handles booster)

>>15953293

I will treasure el rato all my life

I remember a while back I saw webms of a paper mario clone it was a girl and it was in black and white, I can't find it.

>>15953367

**She cheats on you with a DryBones because you don't satisfy her. sexually because you're such a boring wage cuck and she needs some excitement in her life.

She leaves you and takes the kids because, honestly, the dry bones treats the kids better than you**

>>15944689

original is better.

>>15929516

>RPG featuring Wario and Waluigi

actually, I could see this happening although not likely, it is possible don't give up hope. i want another good wario land though

Honestly, for me the best Mario RPG will always be the SNES one: it felt less childish than the rest and it was actually difficult. Now you have to be a complete retard to lose any fight, specially in the Mario&Luigi saga

>>15968956

I always hated the reduction of in-battle characters in Paper Mario. It threw what strategy SMRPG had completely out the window.

>yoshi race

Fuck this shit.

>>15929457

You realise Alpha Dream was formed by Squaresoft staff after the exodus so they could continue to make mario rpg games right?

>>15929885

Yeah. It wasn't made by Square Enix though. Acquire developed it.

Squeenix publish some good like Octopath, Nier, Bravely Default etc but the stuff they actually make themselves is always garbage.

It feels as though the songs for the final battles of each game have gotten better and better as time went on.

>>15929519

>i don't want to play something good because it might make me sad nothing else will be good

Play good games and ignore bad ones, you stupid fuck.

>>15929640

Gonna take the opportunity to shill/talk about this game for a minute because the demo made me fall in love with it and it looks very promising.

Demo link (doesn't work through archive, naturally): https://archive.fo/q7LDK#selection-613.0-613.8

Pros:

>demo has hours of content, including a dungeon, half a dozen side quests, two secret bosses, and a hard mode

>huge improvement on the paper mario battle system - bosses and normal enemies are actually challenging (on hard mode, at least), or require some planning to reduce damage taken

<you can switch around characters' turn order and position, with the frontmost character taking more attacks but getting a power boost in exchange

<you can have one character give his turn to the other, allowing him to act twice but dealing less damage due to fatigue

<action commands are almost identical to paper mario, and applied in almost the same way

>much more effort went into environmental interaction and puzzle solving/platforming, as well as combining abilities from party members

>cooking is useful because healing items are pretty shitty by default and your characters have low health

>soundtrack suits the environments and actions well

>side quests are fun and engaging, including one which is a pretty obvious homage to PM's theatre-based battle system

>made by spics, so no poz

Cons:

>Unity

>fucking Unity

<characters feel floaty and can slip off platforms or get stuck on "walls" by moving too close to them

<what feels like upwards of 10 frames of input lag due to fucking Unity, which isn't good for a combat system based on timing

>camera is so close and areas are so dense you can miss stuff unless you hug the foreground on every screen

>most character designs aren't noticeably masculine or feminine, which makes background characters feel less distinct

>several gameplay mechanics (EXP progression, level-ups, badge system) are direct rips from Paper Mario, which feels lazy even though they're implemented well

>made by spics, so the dialogue is sometimes really wonky

The demo took me about 3 hours to 100%, and it was very satisfying to do so.

>>15929719

Those threads were good times. I still have the drawfag illustrations saved.

>>15929997

>Under Hero

Is that one actually good? The sprite art and lack of battle transitions looked very awkward, but I'm starved for good JRPGs that use more than menus for combat.

>>15944689

This seems like a more appropriate version.

>>15975030

>Bow 6

>Bow 7

Post the rest.

>thread dies for no reason because faggots don't feel like posting about good games

Can someone at least tell me what he thinks about Bug Fables as I described it in >>15971054? I made a thread a few months ago and received similar radio silence, which is odd given how focused the game's direction is.

>>15929543

The Paper Mario crossover was basically just a Sticker Star crossover.

>>15981613

TTYD is marginally more in-depth and does offer some options for those who want a challenge, including self-gimping or "sidegrade" badges. But the game continues to be mostly driven by the amusing dialogue, music and art

i havent played any of the paper mario games, only the M&L and SMRPG. Out of them, I find Bowsers inside Story having the most impact for me, largely in the variety of gameplay not only between the bros and bowser, but within. I do wish these games were harder, it didnt take me that long to finish any of the mario and luigi games or smrpg