/v/ - Video Games

>>15915760

>artifact is to trading cards games what half-life 2 was to single-player action games

but current year trading card games are already casualfag shit.

>>15915781

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>The only unfortunate part is, everyone is so focused on fallout 76 artifact isn't taking enough heat for what a dumpster fire it is.

With no news focusing on artifact, it will die a quick death, which is the best outcome.

>>15915781

SSS

When are western games going to be dead enough for a resurgence? There are zero good companies left and so much talent that must be fed up, just lying around to take.

>>15915838

SMOKIN' SPIT STYLE

Isnt Artifacts symbol also a pedo triangle?

>pay $20 up front

<oh, so it's a living card game instead of the kiked TCG/CCG models

>no, you have to pay for pack, drafts, and competitive matches

>the only way to acquire more cards is from buying packs or from your prize winnings

>the play experience is a hypercomplicated mess focused around the lore of DotA2, which is so autistic the game itself ignores it

>winter wyvern had her sexy milf voice replaced and sounds like a tranny

Literally the one good thing to come out of DotA and they fucked it up. Can't fathom why the game failed.

>>15915760

>>less players currently than euro truck simulator

FEWER player, nigger.

>>15915903

Don't shitpost unless you actually know what you're talking about.

>>15915781

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>>15915760

>>less players currently than euro truck simulator

To be fair, for some reason Euros love their work simulators.

but euro truck sim is popular

>>15915861

I feel like, at this point, we'd need a major market disruption that opens the door to tons of new people to make vidya. Right now, developer kits for stuff like the Xbone or PS4 cost tens of thousands of dollars and are a huge pain to work on. If that tech could be simplified and miniaturized and somehow distributed to the mass market (vaguely like what the Net Yaroze was supposed to do), maybe we'd see a second renaissance. Although personally, I think all that would happen is the market would get flooded with absolute drek - like the Steam store or XBL Store, but even worse if you can imagine it

>>15916129

>Nuke the 2 countries where violent video games aren't banned

Nice.

>>15916148

>What about the other 190 countries?

That don't make games

>>15916149

Actually I forgot about Japan.

Is that gayben in the third picture? Did he always have the hooknose?

I'm sorry but I've never heard of this game before this thread

If there is a reason that it's a dumpster fire is that nobody cares about it

>>15916199

shit, it's funny I can think of a more recent good game out of fucking Australia than the US

>>15916199

>>15916205

>recent games

>good

I chuckled.

>>15916140

Toronto isn't the big chink target in canada anon. It's not insignificant but it isn't Vancouver.

>>15916129

>Nuke USA and England

I am ok with this.

>>15916131

>Or you could just exterminate the kikes and chinks

Yes that would work, it is not like the US and UK are cunts that sold out to the kikes by giving them Israel and defending it to the very end.

>artifact fails hard

and valve wont care, they got billions in the bank, not like some nerd rage will make them start to produce real games again

>>15916140

>Then you need to nuke Toronto in Canada to get rid of the massive chink colony there.

Nigger that's >>15916507 Chincouver, Toronto is more street-shitted and afrinogged.

>>15915760

>>15916052

>>15916095

You can draw a nested triangle from it though

>dont shitpost in a thread about a game thats deader than dead

>>15915781

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Report posts trying to stop you talking about the failure of Artifact. Don't reply to them. They are from paid marketers.

>>15915760

>payed

It’s “PAID”. Not “payed”, “PAID”. Unless you’re a fucking sailor.

Learn to spell you godless fucking subhuman garbage.

>>15915760

To be fair while Artifact is a complete disaster, it's just one disaster, while Fallout 76 has been one fuck up after another. It's a train wreck you can't help but watch, while Artifact is a dull thing worth ignoring and dying a quiet death, being forgotten quickly.

Just play yugioh.

>Artifact is to TCG what HL2 was to single player games

A completely boring, insipid and overhyped tech demo meant to showcase an engine?

I've never even heard of this game before. And I'll probably never hear of it again after this thread.

>>15916189

Gaben invented the "pay 2 pay 2 win" model for this game. Turned out people weren't quite ready for it yet.

>>15916819

Payed is grammatically correct, although its use is discouraged as it is somewhat archaic.

>>15916052

>the play experience is a hypercomplicated mess focused around the lore of DotA2

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Who even gives a shit about DotA lore?

I had started to get a bit excited when I saw Garfield was working on the game. Domeniaria had been one of the best sets in revent MtG history and they had called him back to work on it.

I am beyond glad I waited this garbage out.

>>15916052

>>winter wyvern had her sexy milf voice replaced and sounds like a tranny

I've never played ASSFAGGOTS in my life but this is relevant to my interests what happened?

>>15917104

There was one occasion a few years ago wherein I was talking to some DotA 2 addicts, and I explained I disliked the game because it had zero lore; the characters didn't even have names, and were referred to by their titles (Phantom Lancer, Shadow Fiend, Storm Spirit, etc.). They aggressively corrected me: these characters DO have names, thank you very much, and they DO have lore, and if you had read the wiki like WE did then you'd understand it you fucking philistine.

That explanation in turn reminded me of Halo cucks defending their game as "having a really good story if you read the books" and I decided to stop bothering with it.

>>15917111 (checked)

My original embed was WW in DotA2. You can tell because her voice has this sensual purring quality and she orgasms when she levels up.

Embed related shows her voice in Artifact. I don't know if her VA changed since Artifact isn't on IMDB, but she sounds like a tranny. It's awful.

>>15917473

Lore just gives some people more of a reason to play. Nobody would play Morrowind if it didn't have any exposition whatsoever.

>Can we take a second to appreciate

>Social media speak

Gas yourself.

>>15917445

Do you think the wiki just pulls the lore out of it's ass? All of that's in game. The only thing you'd need the wiki for is the lore that's attached to each and every cosmetic item in the game, but those are usually 2 sentences blurbs and those are also in the game, it's just the issue of most people not being retarded enough to collect each and every piece for "the complete lore"

>>15917539

I disagree Morrowind isn't good because of the lore, it's good because of how the lore is placed within the game. Morrowind would be absolute shit if it was just the base game with the lore smacked at you at the beginning in one text file dump.

The lore in Morrowind instead is sprinkled around, hidden in books, dialogue, and general design of areas. Half the game is finding the lore and realizing how it intertwines with what is going on in the questlines.

So no, you're wrong. The lore isn't what makes Morrowind memorable, it's that finding and learning the lore is basically a game in and of itself. It's one of the only reasons people look fondly on the game.

>>15917473

Way to miss the point, retard. I happen to greatly enjoy a game with good lore. What I dislike (such as in DotA2) is a game which has tonnes of lore, but which only makes it accessible through disconnected in-game descriptions or out-of-game wikis. If the DotA2 team wants me to care about their characters and their proud lineages and wars and cultures, then that should be a relevant part of the game, or at least easily accessible within the game itself. DotA2 tries to have it cake and eat it, which I find repulsive because there are so many games which handle the issue better.

>>15917572

>>15917586

It's not that the lore isn't there, it's that it has no bearing on the game whatsoever. You could copy-paste Lorem Ipsum into that text frame and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Christ, look at it: it's the kind of wall-o-text that would have gotten a failing grade in an HTML course in 2006, and I'm supposed to treat it like it's an integral part of the character?

I know characters have voice lines referring to other characters based on The Lore™ (and the same is true of items, I think) but the overall approach is akin to playing chess on a board balancing atop The Lord of the Rings with pieces styled to look like hobbits, elves, and dwarves. The two things are part of the same world, sure, but they don't feel like it.

>>15917629

>It's not that the lore isn't there, it's that it has no bearing on the game whatsoever.

Lore has always been extra fluff for the purposes of individual immersion. That is to say, lore is there for the people that like to read. Whether it has "bearing on the story" is subjective to the player, unless the game forces lore down your throat in cutscenes.

And that's another point. Games that force lore with cutscenes are usually RPGs. Dota is not even close to an RPG.

>>15917774

A suicide pact

>>15917756

>game purely based on gameplay

Seeing how this Artifact is a thing, your sentence is retarded.

>>15917784

Tetris was about communist russia

>>15917445

Actually the worldbuilding in Halo is comfy as fuck. The books and games did not do it justice

Instead of episode 3 we got this. Not that I even trust valve in the current year to make episode 3.

>>15917756

>>15917784

<I can't formulate an argument so I'm going to put words in his mouth and hope he doesn't notice

At least fighting games have arcade modes which show a character's origin and provide some unique dialogue or key art. I wouldn't have anything against DotA 2 if there were some single-player mode where you could spend 10 minutes fighting reskinned creeps/heroes bookended by narration. I'm not asking for the world here: all I want is for the lore to be more than generic fantasy drivel pasted to a character on the select screen.

>Did you expect every DOTA match to have some huge significant bearing on the world lore?

If there's such a giant fantasy world ready to explore outside the bounds of Summoner's Rift The Map™, then I'd expect the game to have more than one fucking map, for one thing. This is what I mean when I talk about how the lore influences gameplay.

>Do you get your jimmies in a bunch knowing that a lot of older games didn't really focus on story and more on gameplay, save for the RPGs?

You mean like arcade games, many of which could be fully cleared in half the time of an average DotA 2 match? Fuck off.

>>15917628

>Valve will be brought down by us

Unless you can manage to get everyone to embrace drm free alternative storefronts or humble bundle, Valve is literally going fucking no where short, and they're certainly not going somewhere over a Gatchawhale TCG

>>15919634

>pic related could kill them. Not overnight of course, but it could happen.

Valve hasn't been a defacto monopoly like they used to be for at least the past 5 years Epic might have slightly more money to throw around than other companies, but to assume the existence of the Epic Games store is going to somehow erode the grasp valve has on PC gaming is just silly.

>>15919644

Did you notice how the Epic store popped up overnight, being launched seemingly weeks after being revealed? It didn't have many games, either. It's almost like Tencent knew that Fortnite's numbers are slipping and wanted to make a move for the entire gaming market while Epic was still a big name.

"a bit more money" is an understatement. Valve is worth around 4 billion. Tencent is worth 522 billion. That, of course, includes all of Tencent but do not underestimate these companies. Xbox has never made a fucking cent of profit for Kikerosoft, even when it was successful like the 360 was. If Tencent sees long-term profit, they will dump billions into it. There are already exclusive indies coming to it, and you'll probably see AAs and then AAAs later on. Whether they'll succeed or not, fuck knows, but they're going to push for it.

Worst case, Steam will be banned from China entirely for hosting "unacceptable" content. Tencent's one of the companies offering the social scoring system for bugmen, they can certainly push the government to do it.

>>15919660

That wasn't the question. Of course it's worse. The question, however, was the plausibility of Valve going under.

>>15917445

same voice unfiltered is my guess

kinda like new rubick arcana

>>15919693

Didn't the Steamspy guy say he was working with them on it for years?

>>15919736

Of course it's been in the works for ages, but when did you hear about it? When did the vast majority of people hear about it? Mid-November or so, if I had to guess. Hell, the biggest advertisement I've seen for it was the Game Awards.

>>15917774

>The fuck happened this year?

(((they))) wanted to know the casualfags tolerance limit.

>>15915861

Well jap games havent been good for at least two decades if ever and they still seem to be shitting out games.

>>15915760

2019 is the year Valve finally dies. I can't wait.

>>15916140

Don't forget Vancouver and Victoria.

>>15919693

>There are already exclusive indies coming to it

and those will come crawling back to steam in a year once their exclusivity contract runs out only to drown in the new releases then which pours even more salt in the wounds.

if you look at the ones that went with epic it's the exact same kind of retarded indie that whine about exposition on the frontpage and how valve doesn't do everything for them, from marketing to buying them hookers and how much better the switch is for sales (ofc, in the desert you'd even drink fucking piss).

and lets not talk about retards like coffee stain that think the fortnite playerbase overlaps with a game like fucking satisfactory to go full exclusive. their salt on the usual suspect sites will be a sight to behold.

>you'll probably see AAs and then AAAs later on.

highly doubt epic will splurge on AAA exclusivity, and any companies that goes epic + their own store will be shitposted into oblivion, most multis will be outright dead from the start (if they even allow competition to fortnite in the first place). who does AAA singleplayer these days that's not multiplat?

>>15919736

after that faggot tried to run a subscription to show fucking steam statistics only to get BTFO and in return drop salt for years I'm not surprised he spreads his cheeks willingly for wads of cash.

>>15935316

Are you high? Steam is a money printing machine. Gabe could rape a child on live television and Valve would survive it.

It is a shame. Because mechanically, Artifact is a really good card game. Uses the advantages of being digital really well, while retaining the trading card game structure and concept.

Unfortunately Valve just destroyed what it could have been the best TCG since MTG with pure kikery.

>>15935316

It is a monkey paw situation. If Valve dies it will be on the account of Epic Games/Tencet becoming top dog.

I'm not even sure if that is a good trade.

>>15935495

question is what would be the better monetization? and I mean actually better, biggest complaint is usually I CAN'T GRIND FOR SHIT FOR FREE

>>15917917

>The books and games did not do it justice

What exactly are you talking about? Where is this comfy worldbuilding you speak of if not in any of the media that the franchise has produced?

Halo is all right as far as story goes, it's enough to keep me from shutting off completely and mashing skip on each cutscene, but I'd say half of that is also the decent VAs (Cortana and Sarge). The plot and exposition aspects of it are soured when you realize it's just Marathon regurgitated, though.

>>15935567

It's not like in The Witcher 3 though right? They changed up the core gameplay and cards if I remember rightly

>>15935550

From a business perspective grinding shit for free is a good idea. It keeps a large playerbase in your game for your whales to lord over. For most whales, there's no point in being a whale when there exists only other whales in game. Not to mention you already have to buy the game (but it comes with card packs, goy, why don't you appreciate your valuable purchase?). Time is equal to money in a very real sense. Valve shouldn't be bothered by "plebs" who don't pay for microtransactions but continue to play the game, because those people fill out their game's population, which makes the game more marketable when it's multiplayer only.

Even Rainbow Six Siege wasn't quite this Jewish because it let

they stopped innovating right after the Orange Box

"games as service" is what Valve has been doing since

its sad really

even Left for Dead 2 and Portal 2 served as tests to how to implement live services, Perpetual Testing Initiative and L4D2 content updates were rough beginning to constant updates Dota and CSGO now receives

>>15915760

>The nose on that third image.

Was Gabe at least part Jew this whole time? Or can having a mind with a lust for too much money be a powerful enough force to make you look like that without actually having the genetics?

>>15915781

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>>15935619

>Time is equal to money in a very real sense.

but wouldn't that also mean spending your time elsewhere and just buy the shit you want then play whenever you feel like instead of grinding for weeks in hope to get the shit you want? works for magic. sure, that reduces the amount of players but also doesn't burn them out as much.

I mean they could have gone full jew to the point making all of israel blush and people would've eaten that shit up because MUH VALVE, it just feels like people are massive asshurt it's not f2p no matter how jewish or not it actually is.

haven't played r6, but it isn't just a choice between long-ass grind or single purchase with the rest being cosmetics?

>>15915760

Maybe this will make Valve rethink their "multiplayer is the future of gaming" stance and realise that there's only so much room for multiplayer games and the market is already saturated as fuck.

>>15935550

Going LCG would be better. An expansion every 6 months for $20 and you get all cards from it and the ability to play draft with that collection.

It would make much less money than Hearthstone, but it would be a much healthier game in the long run.

>>15936052

Expanding on this, Artifact does not need to be free to play. I say this because Artifact is a extremely complex game with a very high skill ceiling and a steep learning curve.

Good players from Gwent/MTGA, for the brief time they spent with it, didn't even manage to scratch the surface on how to optimize any of the aspects of it (and there is a lot of shit to consider).

It is a very niche product by design, it is the DotA to Hearthstone's LoL. Considering how niche it is, going free to play will not be enough to retain players (or attract a lot of new ones, as expansions increase the game's complexity and learning curve). Much like Dota 2 is a pretty stagnant game for years now since it is so hard to get into compared to Overcuck and LoL.

>>15936030

>wouldn't that also mean spending your time elsewhere and just buy the shit you want then play whenever you feel like instead of grinding for weeks in hope to get the shit you want?

That's what I mean. You have to reward the "poorfag" simply because he put 10 hours into your shitty game or they won't play. When people see that the only way to get more cards is to put up real money either directly or through a wager, then you're going to damn yourself to a niche audience.

>haven't played r6, but it isn't just a choice between long-ass grind or single purchase with the rest being cosmetics?

Nope, it's worse. You have a cheap purchase, which includes a long ass grind to get all the operators. Or you have a normal price purchase, which gives you enough points for a couple ops and then you have to grind the rest, but the grind is faster. Technically all ops are buyable with game currency, but the newer ones are prohibitively expensive to the point where you have to play about 100 matches to afford one to encourage microtransactions.

>>15936076

DotA 2 always stomped LoL in terms of popularity once it arrived as open beta, though. More stream views, more tournaments – Riot basically managed their LoL tourney scene like a doctor and his anemic patients – and MUCH more money made and awarded in those tournaments.

>>15936084

except there are plenty of poorfags in magic and other TCGs (although you can just borrow a deck there or proxy).

I agree with the niche thing, but valve doesn't really need to make big bucks with artifact to stroke some shareholder's nose, if there are enough engaged players (which should be considering they already put money on the table) it should be fine on it's own.

just the whole notion of "we want to get dicked via f2p else the game is shit" is bizarre.

what's the normal price of the year 3 pass? seems they linked the store page wrong, but the gold edition is 24 yurobucks on sale which apparently has the pass included. least they didn't go the "nono, season pass means 1 pass per season" route to make you buy shit again - and it's 2 per season (no idea how long a season runs tho, stopped playing ages ago). doesn't look too bad from here

>>15936151

You spent $20 on a P2P P2W game developed by some of the biggest kikes in the industry. Also, it's a multiplayer game which tries to be competitive. You should be ashamed.

>>15915781

SSSS. Grave

>>15936218

Maybe if you had a job, 20 bucks wouldn't look like such a big waste for you. Some of us even have money to maintain and lube a gf, imagine that.

>>15936243

>It's just $20 dude cmon

>it's just $60 dude cmon

>it's just $100 dude cmon

The amount of money is irrelevant. You gave money to kikes. You're undoubtedly a shill and a redditor and a cuckchanner and a (insert bogeyman of the month here).

>>15936105

Yes, it is failing, thankfully

>>15936243

>thinking his slave status means shit here

get back to work wagecuck

>>15936266

I feel like it's a pretty good tell that someone is underage when they say that HL and/or HL2 weren't significant games as far as the industry goes. Arguing the game's quality or whether they enjoyed it is one thing, but they both had a dramatic effect on FPS games as a whole that's still felt to this day.

>>15917593

Man I spend hours searching and reading all the books in Morrowind.

>>15936163

I don't like F2P games, I am merely discussing this on a "what I think is best for Valve" level. They would get more money due to the sunk cost fallacy if a person who plays the game for free for 20 hours thinks "I should buy packs since I've spent so much time on this game" and whales will pay more since they have a constant stream of shitters to lord their perfectly meta decks over. Maybe I am wrong and Artifact will get popular after several months, who knows. But Valve is a private company and therefore not necessarily chained to the whims of shareholders.

>>15936403

nigger why the fuck do you care what happens to valve? you should be rooting for someone to set their office on fire tbh

>>15936422

I don't care what happens to Valve you presumptive fart knocker. I just don't understand why they made a walled market for five people to inhabit.

>>15936296

Yes, their significant effect on the industry was making it worse. FPS games like halo and half life along with RPGs opened the way for SJW shitters to enter gaming.

>>15936707

Only a retard would think that HL2 was a shit game because you'd know it wasn't if you were alive when it came out

>>15936742

>No infinites

What a fag.

>>15936824

Pray tell Fagus, what is your favorite infinite?

>>15936815

>you can't buy cards in any video game TCG other than MTGO

Technically true! MTGO is the only online card game that I know of where you can actually redeem physical cards(allbeit only after you've bought the whole set and only within a specific time frame after said sets release).

>>15936243

>maybe if you had a job, eating a dollar bill a day wouldn't seem like a waste

>sure, it's painful and disgusting, but I'm at least I'm not poor

Valve could pull something out of their asses and save this turd

>>15937118

make it free to play

done

>>15937630

and add a battle royale style mode in there

>>15915760

Which surprises me people defend Valve's abhorent management of Dota2.

People play Dota2 because of the Dota IP and updated graphics.

All of Valve's input into the game has done nothing but drive core players away from the game and retain shit tier addicts, cheaters, and trolls.

On top of that, constant rebalancing means people who don't actively play the game can't understand the tourneys beyond watching chaotic fights. Imagine if everytime you tuned in to watch UFC or Football, the rules were radically different. There are other ways to randomize the game (gee valve, have you thought about random character bans?)

The report system? Trash. Always been trash, always will be trash. The PhDs who pushed it should be black balled from the industry. Absolute deplorable use of statistics to try and prove their worth. Criminal. Not to mention stealth trolling can't be stopped with reports.

Matchmaking? Trash. To this day they still haven't a system to handle players returning from a hiatus. Take a six month break and you still come in with your former rank but can't play at that skill level, dooming your team.

Script and macro use went unchecked and probably still is.

All the side shit in the game is nothing but a distraction. Why would you add that trash in?

Cosmetics? Great, now I can't tell who the hell I'm fighting.

Deleted Steam over a year ago, and anybody who has self worth would do the same.

>>15936813

alot of my friends have returned to it so i suppose its in progress

>>15935580

Not that anon and wouldn't describe it as comfy but the setup for the main plot is really interesting. Specifically these parts:

>The covenant misinterpreted the halo rings as being a path to godhood

>When the leader race learned about humanity's connection to the forerunners they lied and said humans need to be genocided (to preserve their power)

Its nice to see alien invasion stories that go beyond EXTERMINATE ALL LIFE or ACQUIRE ALL RESOURCES. The other nice thing about the writing is that the dialogue is really quotable like "I AM A MONUMENT TO ALL YOUR SINS". It's not shakespeare but it's memorable and consistent.

>>15937724

The cosmetics were the dealbreaker for me, I played the game a ton from back when it was invite only and didn't have cosmetics. I didn't mind them at first but now every single hero other than mine in every game I play has at least two huge obnoxious items that glow with some color that isn't even a part of the hero's scheme. I can deal with it in normal fights but it's too much in teamfights which is otherwise the most fun part of the game. I can't believe that these are the same devs that made Silencer purple so he didn't look like Dragon Knight.

>>15948260

"Glance value" and everything related to it is the most retarded shit I've been hearing lately. And this time it's not even about Overshit, where you can actually switch characters, but DotA, where you know the 5 opponent characters and the skins they'll be using before the game even begins.

>>15936769

its a shit game

>>15918468

>complaining that 343i Halo requires reading books to understand lore/who characters are

Makes sense, the goal of a single player campaign should be to tell a story and you shouldn't need auxiliary material to know what the fuck is going on.

>complaining that Dota 2 doesn't have lore

Absolutely retarded, and in essence is on par with complaining that Halo's multiplayer doesn't have lore.

The focus of a PVP environment shouldn't be to delve into some coherent consistent narrative, because by nature none of it holds up to sense. No one played Halo MP and thought "Gee, if only there was some fucking inane explanation as to why two colors of Spartan (and later Elites) are shooting the shit out of each other and respawning on a variety of maps that take them across the galaxy?"

I mean, Red vs Blue did it for comedy, and 343i did a hackney'd "muh simulations, muh wacky spaceball sport" bit which is ultimately just as much of a joke.

Yes lore influences gameplay, which means that it can also just as easily limit it.

If you want to stick to ASSFAGGOTS, League of Legends is a perfect example. It bent over ass backwards writing a story where it would make sense for all these assorted champions to share their minds with a summoner and kill each other for political gain, financial gain, or just as slaves. Not only was the premise goofy as fuck if you looked at it too hard, it also literally restricted everything that happened in the world at large to Summoner's Rift. No new conflict, no new threat, no new stories without being dragged kicking and screaming into that arena and getting resolved by blowing up some crystals. When they got rid of it, they opened up the opportunity to make an absolute fuckload of auxiliary lore.

They took your suggestion, and made a map called Dominion based on a lore event. No one played it and it died.

Then they made an ARAM map which does feature some lore, but it isn't really why people play it, they did it on SR before anyway.

The idea that Dota 2 devs are going to make 10 minute little single player stories for each of their fucking 100+ and expanding heroes - which will ultimately be just as ignored in the same way you ignored their bios - is retarded and equally meaningless.

tl;dr: Auxiliary lore material is perfect for PVP multiplayer based games, efforts to incorporate lore into the game itself are often flawed or meaningless flavor because it can't impact the PVP environment

>>15936243

>>15936151

I see the shills have finally arrived.

>>15949661

Wrong image oops

>>15936266

HL2 was phenomenal back in the day. It had big shoes to fill and almost did in a way. I feel like if they made the combat more expansive it would have been even greater. That's probably the one area where it hasn't aged well at all.

>>15949767

>that ID

Holy shit!

>>15949661

Valve have nobody left that can even make games.

>>15936243

>he needs money to get his gf wet

Someone's a cuck

Exponential Synergy > Infinite Combos. Because people will hate you a lot less while you give up very little power. As exponential synergy gives the other guy one turn to respond before you instagib him, meaning it's entirely the other guy's fault if he loses. Contrast that to infinite combos which take away all control from the opposing player the moment the combo starts.

>>15957244

Meant for >>15936779

>>15915760

>>less players currently than euro truck simulator

Fun bit of speculation, maybe that was Gaben's big mistake, why make yet another digi card game when they could have just made an awesome chill Half Life themed Euro Trucking game with Stalker like anonmies and Cheeki Breeki Multi player cross country big rig drivin'? They went with collecting Pyrite when they could have mined for Euro Poor golden goodness.

Don't worry, they'll make it free to play and it'll be come just as cancerous as all their other crap.

it wouldnt have happened this way if they spent more time on things that are actually important, like making really great games

funny but Nintendo is also great comparison because apparently thats what Valve is striving for

difference seems to be that they know their hardware is only as good as the stuff they develop for it, they really take care of their customers, supporters and franchises

they also somehow have the time to try new ideas and ips

>you can shop online or go to an LGS and make a unique 60 card Magic deck with you and your friends and start playing immediately in person with tangible, physical cards, for under $6 per person

>or you can pay 5x that much per person to play artifact casually and not have anywhere near the same amount of fun or level of customization

what an abortion of a game

>they really take care of their customers, supporters

<Pay a monthly fee for the privilege of using peer to peer service

Heh.

It's actually hilarious how this game is so dead that no one gives a fuck about watching it sink, apart from me and a few other people. It really is like Lawbreakers. Polite sage.

>>15916052

>FEWER

Ah but they're lesser beings as well so that worked.

>>15964396

I think Dick and AidsMoby deserve the black cock directly in their mouth more than mike does.

>try to make a gaming channel because ???

>it's complete shit as expected

>every single word that comes out of their mouth in regards to vidya is retarded

>stream on (((twitch)))

>>15936266

HL2 invented the faggot bullshit trope where some ugly niggress mugs at you constantly and pretends to be some kind of virtual girlfriend. That's it's entire "contribution" to video games…

>>15935619

> It keeps a large playerbase in your game for your whales to lord over.

Only modern games also have commie equaling 50% win-rate mathmaking so whales lording is impossible.

>>15974077

I felt the same way about Icons. How did it come to this, that modern games are only worth following to see them burn?

I love that artifact is failing. I have a coworker who mentioned he played it and i asked why. He said he loves TCGs i said “But is it fun?” He said “not really” so thats my experience with it. I was told it sucked by a guy who enjoys these types of games.

>>15985872

>I have a coworker who mentioned he played it

Same thing here. Although, that was before the end of 2018. I wonder if he's still at it or if he went back to Hearthstone.

>>15936813

>from Valve

Current TF2 is obviously ruined, and mod autists TF2V can't manage to not fuck up their projects. This game is a memory.

indies put more effort into games than what it takes to make a card game

"were gonna make hl2 of card games" is embarrassing

have proper budget and make a proper fucking game, cant believe my favorite devs and many other huge studios are falling into this money grubbing bullshit, instead of spending more effort on the games themselves

>>15985840

>Seems to me that Artifact might have found its niche audience

No it hasn't. You can see it continues to decline. If it stabilises over a long enough period then maybe I would agree, but until then you're just wrong.

>>15987634

We need a name for these cards games. Something like we have for ASSFAGGOTS and CRAPCUNTS.

>>15987634

>taco slayer

QUE♂TE♂JODAN

>>15988603

I disagree.

>>15936243

>g-get a job you angry v-virgins

stay asspained

>>15989112

it's just videopoker what's the big deal

>>15916052

it's the other way around. Original MTG Designer made this card game, valve then paid him to put DoTA theme around it and monetize it.

>>15990305

>and monetize it

I find it very hard to believe that whoever made MTG would then go on to design a card game not intended to be a cardboard seller.

>>15964370

According to the sign, to the City Library.

I glanced over a couple of minutes of Artifact gameplay and thought that it at least looked like an original concept for card game gameplay. Boy, does it seem that I was wrong on that regard. Either that, or originality isn't nearly enough to make it not utter trash.

>>15935316

>valve made a card game that flopped

>that means nobody will ever put anything up for sale on steam, and nobody will buy anything that's on steam today

Do you have brain damage?

>>15935619

Warframe

>>15996013

I really do appreciate you chronicling this game's decline, anon. It warms the cockles of my heart to see the results of Valve's abusing Garfield's brainchild.

>>15996057

Garfield doesn't think any card should cost more than $20, ever. The kikery infesting MTG is entirely due to Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro.

>>15996337

It sounds like a strange combination of "uhhhh" and "hooray" and "awww what come the fuck on are you kidding me?"

>>15996337

I was there. It was good

>>15935619

I always find it weird when people post something on the internet before they finish typing th

>>15996565

Maybe someone interrupted him and he just had to mash [post] before finishing his sentence. People have lives, man; it's not like that dumb cartoon episode with Candleja

>>15996317

The cheek of valve thinking they could just create this whole economy in a totally inorganic way is worse than Diablo 3's auction house. I can imagine Gabe and a bunch of "data scientists" autistically calculating all the money they would make and coming up with bullshit to justify it as "a good thing".

Also all the people discussing balance and patches to death like it matters when 99.999% of players will be turned away by basic UI, camera, and gameplay design errors. I enjoy the blindness and arrogance of the developers and the shills. Sure, some real players get over those problems and they do have legit complaints about deeper gameplay, but it's all so hilariously irrelevant. Did you know the mac version doesn't even start since the patch? It just crashes for 100% of users 100% of the time. But this card is overpowered? Oh my god, who cares? The game is on life support and fading fast.

Most of all I love to rub the blackpillers' faces in it. Yet another clear cut example of normalfaggots totally rejecting a steaming pile of corporate "AAA" shit. Remember how they said this game would make so much money? Thankfully those types are relatively rare here, just a few IP hoppers, but fuck them anyway.

>>15996337

Should have cancelled the game then and there.

>>15996752

Or he was killed, or worse… murdered.

>>15997326

>Yet another clear cut example of normalfaggots totally rejecting a steaming pile of corporate "AAA" shit.

call me when fifa stops making money

also watch valve make it f2p and suddenly its the best game ever.

>>15996337

Also remember that in those events they play clapping sounds to pretend the audience is cheering.

It's possible it was an universal "awww".

>>15997369

Your game is failing. We run this, not you.

>>15997369

i will call you as soon as they nuke south america don't you worry

the call will be inviting you to a party where we celebrate online multiplayer free of subhumans

>>15936813

it will be made into a battle royal, just like they did to CS:GO

What do you mean? It's living up to its name.

>>15996337

Thing I love most about this was that it was at a Dota 2 event.

Even the people who actually like Dota didn't want this shit.

>>15989112

Good argument my friend. sure proved me wrong.

>bet you also play MMOs

Never even touched one.

>>15999113

You're a bit too invested in watching this game fail, aren't you?

Artifact is everything Valve SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN

*A card game - so naturally exploits its players hand, infact exploitation is requirements with real playing cards, something Valve thought they could use with virtual cards which makes zero sense

*Tiny production - theres no reason why Valve is making making indie games when its AAA company, most other publishers HIRE OTHER STUDIOS to do this

*Outsourced majority of work to contractors inside the company - what the fuck have all the others devs doing for A FUCKING DECADE?

*Monetization is the main drive - this isnt why should make games, infact its sad Valve cant tell difference between good game that makes enough money, and one that sell hats

*Cashing in on trends instead of innovating - what the fuck is Valve doing, they used to make great games with great firsts, Half-Life was one of the first major successful games with coherent structure and worldbuilding instead of being collection of levels

its sad to see what Valve has become after all these years, i never thought they could fall so far

>>15999138

Voodoo magic. Fucking voodoo magic man.

>>15996374

I'd put heavy bank on there being shills in the audience ready to 'woo' for this crap. Kind of reminds me of old episodes of Friends where one of the producers had a massive HAWHAWHAW laugh that punctuated the show.

>>15998821

I know very little about DOTA but do know card games are near universal trash made even more pointless by the fact that they're virtual so people aren't even betting IRL money to give the outcomes 'some' gravity. Much like the Diablo debacle as soon as the concept was floated it should have been shouted down, whoever was in the room when that garbage got pitched needs to be cast out to live on a secluded island with no connection to the outside world so all their shit ideas can stay in one place, also they can be easily nuked later.

>GUISE WERE GONNA MAKE HALF LIFE 3!

>it's an RTS with tons of QTEs

>G man wearing an 'I'm with HER' shirt, talks like a tranny

>combine remove their helmets to reveal furries beneath

>houndeyes replaced with Doge and MLP

>alyx suddenly has a giant afro and begins shittalking everything Gordon does

>>15916800

Valve struggles with upkeep and a bloated expensive work force.

A company that is making huge profit doesn’t try to repeatedly pivot.

>>15999113

>3,000

Half of those will be trading bots too.

>>15981923

why is it that HL2 still has better facial animations than most games today

>>15998815

Losing 97% of your initial customers in less than 2 months for a card game is pretty bad. Valve losing any sense of how to make games seems confirmed. I guess they'll stick to just being a digital store.

>>16002342

>UI and camera problems

I've seen this mentioned several times in this thread, but how are those even possible in a card game of all things? I've seen some footage of the game, and it looks like it's possible to see the cards and click on them, so how can a game with such a simple premise have problems with that?

>>16010779

I think it's because games now are worried about "muh realism" while HL2 just wanted to convey the emotion itself, if that makes any sense.

Is it just me or (as a non player), was artifact actually a lot less greedy than most of the other trading card games currently available? The most greedy thing they did, in my opinion, was make it impossible to trade cards with friends without using the market place. But lets not ignore than there aren't many online trading card games out there that allow you to directly buy the cards you actually want. I don't doubt that people generally spend a lot more buying pack after pack to have a chance to get the right cards. And sure, playing for free gives some cards for free too, but thats really mainly there to keep you addicted to the game. I think artifact is kinda like the internet as a whole. It is probably a less greedy game with less dirty tricks up its sleeve to try and get your money without you noticing. But all the other games like it, will give you the game for free, but that use tricks to keep you addicted and spend more money on it in the long run. Compare this to, for example, news sites these days. There are some paid ones, which few people use, but they generally are actually good quality. And there are loads and loads of free ones, using dirty advertising tricks, like making ads look like actual articles. For the higher quality ones, you really know the cost you pay, for the shit ones, its all disguised. Look at hearth stone for example, those that pay more will have better decks, if you pay nothing, you are still valuable for blizzard because you will be playing with worse decks making their paying customers feel better about themselves and spend more. The cost you pay is in the time you spend.

Now, with all that in mind, I feel like Valve will easily be able to make Artifact popular again, they have budget and time on their side. Even if it takes a few years to become a success, its not like they will go under just because it failed at the start.

>>15935497

Of course that isn't a good trade.

We give valve plenty of shit, and deservedly so, but they certainly still do a few things right as well.

Some of the things that Valve currently does very well compared to most other platforms:

-Developers can generate keys to sell on their own.

-The review system is pretty transparent (see reviews that didn't buy through steam, see dev replies, …).

-Mods are easy to get.

-Their own DRM is not too bad (I am of the strange opinion that its not DRM ruining everything, its the copyright itself ruining everything).

-They release a lot back into the community and they try to tie a lot less to their own platform than most others would. For example their VR technology is open, their Steam play on linux technology is open source and they contribute back into the wine development regularly.

-They single handedly are making linux gaming a thing. Examples are Vulkan, Proton/wine, many further development tools for linux.

-Their controller support is also beyond good.

Even in things that aren't as well liked by /v/, they are so much better than most other companies out there. For example E-sport. Just look at Dota 2 vs LoL or any of blizzards games. The tournaments are a lot more relaxed. So much more is allowed. Especially at the top tournament, The international. I have no doubt that half the people playing there would have gotten fines and what not for their behavior if they did the same shit in any other tournament. Even more, all other E-sports are moving into franchise territory, this is simply because the developer wants to take more control. Valve doesn't do any of that. Wasn't there a lol team getting a penalty because they "disrespected the opponent" by taking heroes that are not considered in meta? Dota 2 has things like techies being picked, tipping, spamming voice lines and so on.

They aren't the great guys they once were, releasing quality games more often, not having "paid mods" scandals (although, lets face it, this was as much Bethesda pushing it as it was Valve, creation club is a thing now, you know).

But in my opinion, they are still far from the worst (even if they did make some of the worst shit popular, like loot boxes). And they probably are one of the last big defenses against the absolute worst of the worst taking over. Like EA, like Tencent.

I think the sole reason it failed was the price tag. You have to pay to play and then pay for cards on top of that. While the typical whales that spend thousands on dota2 every year will absolutely keep playing artifact, the more casual crowd isn't interested in paying 20 bucks for hearthstone.

>>15916885

Today I asked one of my younger coworkers about what they watched nowadays, and I mentioned in the past we watched shows like Yu Gi Oh, they had no idea what that was

That made me feel incredibly old, oh well

>>15998821

can someone tell me exactly why it failed

>>16022035

>lawbreakers

<oversaturated market

<gender neutral bathrooms

<"difficult multiplayer"

<cliff bazinga

i dont know much about artifact aside from the fact valve made it.

>>16022053

it's the same thing to card games as lawbreakers was to class shooters: over saturation, blatant pay to win, having to buy the game, rather than making it f2p, and just adding in modern day valve incompetence to the mix. I assume it's in the same market as BO4, in that it tries to compete with other, similar games, but doesn't bring out anything new except the brand name, and the big developer name, but ends up being an overpriced, dead on arrival, soul less cash grab only the biggest fanboys will buy

>>16022063

oh, i was hoping it flopped because of some crazy leftist shit they shoehorned into it or something.

>>16022067

Nah. Valve is too lazy for that sort of political grandstanding.

>>15949661

Why make single-player games when you can make millions off of mobile gaming chinks?

>>15936779

magic was so fucking fun back in the day, what a shame, i'll never forgive the sjw menace

>>16024544

They fail everywhere expect for China. This is why Blizzard/actikike went all in on Diablo Immortal. They killed an IP just for the mobile Chinese market. It makes sense because the Chinese spend a shitload of time on subways/busses commuting from work.

Though maybe they don't make shit off the Chinese, who knows. But if Valve and Blizzard/Actikike go all in with Artifact and Diablo Immortal, they must know they are going to make a shit load of money. Blizzards/Valves reputation will never be the same after those games. So either they are woefully incompetent and don't give a shit about PR, or they know for a fact they are going to make a killing in China.

>>16024570

I understand why you think that, but let us see the actual revenue Valve make from it. You will be pleasantly surprised, I guarantee it. Screenshot this.

>Diablo Immortal

will make as much money in China as Dungeon Keeper 2014.

China is a corporate narrative for western shareholders, just as the "diversity" shit was for Battlefailed V. When Dice is shutdown then we will see how truthful that one was. My recommendation for people in general is to disbelieve both corporate and leftist narratives. That is your starting point.

>>16024413

You have no power that's why you shitpost.

>>16027316

I have a deep, pressing need to see a Valve game dip below 2000 concurrent daily players.

>>16032379

That was a passion project made by modders, right? I don't hold it to the same standards as a game with all of Valve's resources and DotA's autism behind it.

>>15917089

Yes, and "octopodes" is a completely honest and viable alternative to octopi. Don't be a grammatical faggot.

>>15936243

>He has to lube his gf

>>16024570

>or they know for a fact they are going to make a killing in China.

Blizzard/activision/king already admitted that diablo immortal was targeting the chinese audience and that they have multiple other phone games in development for china during their quarterly interview.

I wonder if the million dollar artifact tournament is still happening this year.

>>16032595

Nearly all of valves games started out as passion project mods. Ricochet wasn't.

Have any of you had a peak at the Artifact board on leddit? They're delusional. They're burying any post that talks about the game dying.

the sad thing is, this won't be valve's last attempt at making the monies flow from dota/csgo.

>>16032869

they're assmad that the woc people left the artifact team

>>16032869

It's Reddit

95% of the retards that use it are delusional normalfags.

It kind of makes me miss the daus when they were known as atheist neckbeards, at least then all the normalfags kept to 9gag.

>>16032869

>97% dropoff is completely normal guys

>S M A L L B U T D E D I C A T E D C O M M U N I T Y

>>16032891

>MUH HATERS

There comes a point where even the most diehard fanboy has to acknowledge there are problems. Games don't just lose 95+% of their playerbase this fast unless people don't like it.

>>16032891

These must be satire. I refuse to believe it.

>>16032914

I mean there's no fucking way right? especially the first one, jesus christ.

>>16032927

You are more often right assuming that something isn't a parody and actually contains genuine sentiment. Irony died a few years ago: the only real part of shitposting now is the "shit" part.

>>16032891

>they're genuinely pulling a rick and morty

>>16032891

>game for high IQ

>fucking math equations, amiright?

>>16032898

>>16032914

>>16032927

>>16032968

>>16032970

>ITT newfags find out about reddit

The place is an unbeliveable shithole, cuckchanners have at least a hint of self awareness, redditors have none

>>16033043

Even by reddit's standards, the Artifact board is terrible.

>>16032595

The difference here is that Alien Swarm is a free mod/game.

>>16034869

One that barely anybody remembers.

>>16037298

>Ccleaner

lol enjoy your spyware

>>16037392

>>16037403

There should be a second spoiler for images like this. If you click the box, it should say "are you sure dude?"

TF2, a game that came out TWELVE YEARS AGO, currently has 57,391 players.

Artifact's all-time peak was 60,740. There are 1,483 people playing it at the moment.

Even at the height of popularity, it was pulling it the same playerbase TF2 gets everyday.

>>15915781

S

AND GOOD RIDDANCE

Have you guys ever seen this? It's an extremely obscure Valve game made by some of the Artifact devs.

It looks like a fucking student project. I found it on the website of the dev that posted the recent Artifact update. http://www.jeepbarnett.com

>>16055018

that's neet, feels like one of those oldschool flashgames

Valve needs to go back to making FULL games

>>16056237

What's the story behind those reddit posts? Are they deleted or what? I don't understand reddit.

>>16060510

Yes. I used snew.notabug.io to view deleted posts.

>>16056237

>a patch gets 100 people to play it again because they forgot it existed and the "downloading" bar at the bottom of their Steam clients was the only reminder

This will be a good year.

>"it's a marathon, not a spring"

Amazing.

>>16060652

I think removeddit is overall more accurate if you're within the comments for a single thread.

>>16063524

>people forgot they bought a game until the patch bar reminded them

how old is this game, again?

>>15916819

Payed and paid are both correct, payed is just older.

Depending on where you live, payed might actually be the more common spelling. Don't forget that English is spoken in far more countries than just the US.

>>15915760

>Euro Truck Simulator 2

>Farming Simulator 19

>Tom Clancy's The Division

This timeline, man.

Artifact is now at 168 players currently online

>>15996337

>Dota

Why is it that everyone reacted when seeing that one word.

God it's almost as if, the same thing has happened so many times, that it's become irrelevant to add an already established IP onto something new.

>>16071751

It's called Americanese, you idjit.

>>16060510

That's the catalog equivalent for r/artifact. The red threads have been deleted by mods.

>>16060510

There's a website called Cedded which allows you to see deleted posts.

Everything in red has been deleted by mods.

>>16074076

>Cedded

I mean Ceddit.

>>15996337

If only they had made the trailer before they bothered with making the game. But I suppose Gaben has unlimited money so he doesn't care if it's only him playing against his employees all day.

this game is the JUST moment for Valve

they need to get their head out of their ass and back to making long quality experiences that people actually care about

>>16074474

Can you imagine going back to 2013 and telling people Valve will release a new multiplayer game that will drop below 1000 players in less than 10 weeks?

>>16037298

>shallow chink chess meme is more popular than base game

Shows how starved people are for content.

Whiles valve just pumps in more cosmetics.

>>16074474

That's just sad.

>>16071760

>>16074474

Somebody please remake this with Artifact.

>>15936243

real gfs lube themselves, manfucker

>>15936813

Only the vocal minority of monkeys from YouTube™ want Valve to do something with the game. Every other sane person wants literally the opposite: for them to stay the fuck away from everything we used to love. Ever since the 4th of July, 2008 (newfags won't even remember Palermo Update) Valve has been nothing but a retarded child of your mom's friend, that she decided to bring with her while visiting your house, and your mom keeps pestering you about letting it play your video games with its greasy fat hands.

>>15915760

As much as I dislike Valve's current direction, whether it was actually disaster or not depends on whether they lost money. I can't imagine the game cost a lot to make.

>>16084261

Anon, they brought on Richard Garfield. To make a card game. That could not have been fucking cheap, considering Magic the Gathering is still going strong.

Put it this way. Valve released "Dota Plus" (a paid service with an AI that analyzed stats to help new players) about a year ago for Dota 2 and didn't touch it at all. For a whole goddamn year the system was the same, with no new rewards, despite people paying for it. Then, magically, about a month after the writing was on the wall for Artifact, Dota 2 gets a huge update and with it Dota Plus. To me that says Valve realized their mistake and is back to milking the Dota playerbase back on actual Dota instead of a spinoff.

>>16033043

Dude you're trying too hard to fit in

>>16084195

LMAO

still not as dead as islands of nyne

>>16084751

>the no refunds policy on the starter packs.

Personally I got my refund after opening the packs, as did a few friends of mine. Granted, this was on day 2 of the game being out, and I did not think I was going to get a refund because I read the same thing. I got it though, and I'm betting it's because they got so many fucking refund requests that they just approved all of them

>>16084751

It's kind of interesting. A custom Warcraft 3 game became more popular than the base game and got its own game. Now that game has its own custom mode that rivals the base game.

>>16085545

Do you think I could get money from Valve if I streamed Artifact?

I don't think Artefact actually cost Valve much money. I doubt more than 50 people worked on it.

And besides Valve has no investors so nobody cares.

>>16087794

They had to pay for the massive amounts of research going into balancing as well as the art, the music, the voice acting, etc.

All in all I don't think Valve has gotten their just desserts yet, and that's a shame. I want Valve to go bankrupt. I don't care if I lose all of the games in my steam library.

>>16087794

They hired Richard Garfield to design it and work with him for at least a year, and he knows what he's worth.

If what VNN says is true then they released card game rather then releasing complete game that is L4D3 because they couldnt get team to agree to single fucking direction

its sad that contractors hired for single project do better job than Valve themselves and get the game released

shows real state of Valve - dead from the inside FOR YEARS because of indecision and lack of direction

THEY CANT RELEASE A COMPLETE FUCKING GAME, WHAT THE FUCK

>>16088617

>if what vnn says is true

I'm gonna stop you right there

I lost all hope in tyler when i realized he vetted blind faith on a game everyone knew was going to fail, acted surprised when no one liked it, did a video defending artifact and criticizing the entire valve community for not liking it, then taking the video down, and most of all going full autism trying to start "bethesda news network" and "nintendo news network" Just because he couldn't see the writing on the wall the past few years.

Basically fuck him and fuck you retard.

>>16088626

that was dick sucking

this is critical info on sad state of Valve

china namba one

>>16088626

I want to see that video. Sounds hilarious.

i got interviewed at pax for this game

line was like 3 hours long, but you got the game and 10 cardpacks for free. kinda sad to see all the valve employees excited to show off a new game to a public anticipating the next great valve release and this happens.

you basically have to be full autismo to play it or youre fucked, having to research a million cards and what they do, wasn't my type of game honestly. i feel like card games would be better off being cash grabs on mobile phones than sit down pc games.

>>16088617

>rather then releasing complete game that is L4D3

Your grammar is fucking awful. Are you implying Valve has L4D3 sitting around somewhere and chooses not to release it, or are you just describing a hypothetical game like L4D3 as a "complete" game in contrast to Artifact.

>>16088981

All the autists who want that kind of experience play MTG anyway. There's definitely a market for people who want a more complex game than Hearthstone/Shadowverse but haven't the money to play MTG - however, they all play MTG Arena now, or Force of Will via untap.in, or something else. I think the player bases have settled into their respective games, and another game trying to force its way onto the market was doomed from the start.

>>16088999

wasnt it announced originally around the time of gwent / heartstone release but only just came out now? i remember the prominent booing and anger of the dota crowd, which honestly should of tipped off valve that their respective audience really didnt give a shit about card games

I think that they just didn't want to pass up a opportunity to work with Richard Garfield on trying to make competition, but like you said, why switch from MtG (which has a online alternative as well) to Artifact, when you already have MtG? When you have one bowl of chocolate ice cream, do you really want another of the same flavor and experience? probably a shit analogy but i hope what i'm trying to express is coming off correctly

>>16089021

i should also add even with one of the designers / developers help coaching me through my first bot game, i still lost.

thats with someone who actually MADE THE GAME trying to help a complete casual fuck like me- he sat down and told me which moves he would make in my position and i still lost, so i can see why they didnt retain any new curious folks who are also bad at card games (like me)

>>16089021

magic had an online version for fucking ages and was utter shit for the majority of it. version 3 or 4 was actually usable and more jewey than artifact. only recently they apparently got their head out of their asses with arena to even attract normalfags.

>When you have one bowl of chocolate ice cream, do you really want another of the same flavor and experience?

some people like vanilla or strawberry, magic isn't really the end-all of cardgames. my impression from artifact is simply people getting butthurt about a mandatory buy-in and how you get cards.

all I ever wanted was a fucking digital netrunner, now even the license is gone. fuck wotc

>>16088626

>>16088617

On the topic of gay shills getting what they deserve, I have to admit that I get a lot of pleasure out of seeing teamliquid completely abandon their artifact website. They were one of the "big" promoters of artifact, although "big" doesn't mean much because despite TL having teams in a lot of other established esports, their website is practically dead. Fuck them though, after the release of SC2, all the new writers on their staff basically shoved all the brood war fans and players out the door and gave them the finger. TL is largely to blame for the cancer that is "hurr esports esports esports don't you fucking LOVE esports? everything should be an esport!"

Now SC2 is dying and brood war is making a resurgence in worst korea, but TL is still a dead website trying hard to grasp at any attempt at relevancy in other "up and coming esports". For years they proudly flaunted their userbase, splaying a "we've had 10,000 active users in the last hour!" That time is long gone and I bet they have maybe a few hundred at most now.

>>16085545

>Anthem

>78

Oh man, i'm going to enjoy this