/v/ - Video Games

>>15906879

From what I heard, Balthier was the main character of 12, but executive meddling demanded a pretty boy.

>>15906879

>what are cultures

>what are audiences

>>15906890

I heard it was Basch, but that was a case of square at least attempting to be reasonable. Those executives need to be beaten with metal rods.

I dunno why they didn't experiment with character design in FF15 which started as a spinoff. They went more conservative than ever. I suppose just to keep Toriyama and his fetish fuckdoll away.

>playing gook games

there is your problem my man

>>15906898

Yes, Japan famously has no respect or admiration for the elderly.

>why does the protagonist remind me of myself so much

>why can't i be the cool old guy who has his shit together and knows more than he lets on and is experienced

>why do they make me play as a fish out of water that knows nothing about this strange world or pretends to and is proven wrong

Video game stories aren't dumb, the audience is.

>>15906890

>From what I heard, Balthier was the main character of 12

No it was going to be Basch but after they changed directors the new one forced Vaan in because SE is obsessed with twinks.

>>15906906

Is this a shitpost or are you serious.

>Why does square do this?

Cuckime.

Your mentor should be cooler and more experienced than you are. You're going on your cool journey not having done it. If you have a cool story you make it the future not the past.

>>15906879

FF13 had many, many more problems than just a lack of badass old dude characters. I don't think there is a single decent dev working there anymore. Even near a tomato was more the result of Platinum jumping in than anything on the side of squeenix.

Older characters in their late-30's to early-60's are usually supporting characters who give guidance to the protagonist while younger characters are protagonists who start out as fools and go through an arc of maturity, which is why they're usually young. Their adventure is a long arc of character development.

>>15906937

Sarcasm.

You know Squarenix makes other games than final fantasy?

>>15907092

Like what? Final Fantasy Disney?

>>15907049

It would have been Pirates of the Ivalicean. It could have been great.

>>15907092

Those have even younger characters. Ashley Riot in Vagrant Story was 29, he's their oldest protag I think (and one of their better ones).

that is because gooks are all selfhating wageslaves that hate their lives but follow the system anyways because they are souless insects that work to make life as hellish as possible for no reason other than an abstract sense of honor (which is a spook)

why do you think highschool is suck a popular setting, or young spiky haired twinks? It's before their minds are compressed into consuming paste and it's their power fantasy of being free.

Why do you think gook games also is about freedom and or killing god or the system that is corrupt? They know this inherently but are too big of cowards to do anything about it.

>>15907108

>Why do you think gook games also is about freedom and or killing god or the system that is corrupt? They know this inherently but are too big of cowards to do anything about it.

I thought that started around FFX with killling Yevon.

Before that you kill an old lady in 8, some weird monkey man creature in 9, a huge faggot in 7 and a retarded clown in 6.

>>15906879

>the dumbest video game developer of all time

That's a flat out lie.

>>15907092

I get what you mean, but Square is mostly a publisher nowadays. See Dragon Quest, Nier Automata, Octopath Traveller, etc. They don't really make games anymore besides remakes/ports, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

>>15907115

>implying you fight sephiroth in 7

This is the problem with RPGlets, they don't actually play the games.

>>15907143

It was so fucking long ago. I'm not even sure about kefka.

>>15906879

>Playing any Final Fantasy game after 6 that isn't Tactics

here is your (you)

>>15907149

It's just impressive how you missed the entire story.

>>15907161

VII and IX are good you fucking contrarian nintenigger. always notice how these fags shill for 6 but never talk about previous ones. reminder that 6 is one of the least popular FFs in japan.

>>15907248

6 is just a plain bad game.

>>15907143

To be fair there are 3 people who actually read the dialog in Final Fantasy VII.

>>15907115

>I thought that started around FFX with killling Yevon.

You are an incredibly dumb nigger.

>Before that you kill an old lady in 8

Can't speak for 8, but I'm pretty sure that ends in killing god somehow.

>some weird monkey man creature in 9

Who was not the final boss. You fight him, then god.

>a huge faggot in 7

Who becomes god or something.

>and a retarded clown in 6.

The entire storyline is him becoming god. The final fight is a homage to the Divine Comedy.

You didn't mention them but:

>FF1

kill god

>FF3

kill god

>FF4

kill god

>FF5

kill god

The others I didn't mention since I don't know or remember. For fuck's sake anon the entire meme around FF is that you always end up killing god; even if the story was nowhere approaching that and they just pulled a deity for you to kill out of left field.

>>15907394

No no, the old lady is definitely not God. You gotta admit that after 10 they didn't even put a spin on it.

>>15907394

>FF1

>kill god

More of a demon than anything

>FF4

>kill god

Evil space wizard('s soul or some shit)

>FF5

>kill god

Evil sentient tree.

Series is shit, especially the ones after 6, but at least get it right.

>>15907466

>These aren't gods they're just all powerful, world-shaping things

>>15907496

Well you're not gonna fight a granny in a wheelchair after a 120 hour RPG.

My point is that after FFX they just seem to have run out of creativity, LOL CHURCH WAS EVIL ALL ALONG NOW FIGHT GOD KTHXBYE.

>>15907508

I don't really remember 12, but there was never a church influence that I can recall. It went back to the ebul empire, which is more of a sign of a lack of creativity. I don't think 15 applies either.

13 was a mix of both ebul empire and the church being evil.

>>15907055

>niggerball

No thanks.

>>15907570

I thought it was monkeyhoop. To me niggerball is that sport which is popular in Europe and amongst hispanics.

They arent always more interesting than the younger cast.

Barrett is not more interesting than Cloud or Zack for that matter.

Vincent's probably older than all of them though. Dude got Gungrave'd.

>>15907136

That they're not the MC

>>15907590

You mean divegrass?

>>15907593

Almost none of the FF7 cast are interesting imo.

>why does Star Wars follow Luke and not Obi Wan

>why does Lord of the Rings follow Frodo and not Gandalf

>what is writing

The old, experienced mentor guides the young main character through his first journey, occasionally dying in the process. By the climax of the story, the young man realizes he no longer needs the mentor as his own hard work was enough to accomplish his goal. It harkens back to the human experience of passing on a trade to the next generation. Surely your father taught you how to use tools and take care of a car, anon?

>>15907621

My father taught me about benzophenone and why not to take metamozile. He is a weird man.

>>15906879

Because the average business man still look at their stupid for dummies book.

Make relatable characters, not good products. A very flawed business decision they still doing for centuries.

>>15907621

Not every story needs to follow the same exact pupil-mentor structure.

>>15906879

Have you ever seen an old dude as the protagonist in an anime? Didn't think so.

>>15907143

Sephiroth is the last boss nigger what are you even saying?

>>15907621

>parents teaching their kids things

People with boomer aged or younger parents didn't get taught anything.

>>15907508

>LOL CHURCH WAS EVIL ALL ALONG NOW FIGHT GOD KTHXBYE

That's not the plot at all. They were worshiping technology so advanced it appeared as magic. Sin was this technology in doomsday weapon form to fight their war, and impose their rule upon the world. The remnants of the war, that the player meets, seemed to have forgotten the purpose of everything.

If anything, the summoners were satanists, experimenting with souls of men, and destroyed the world. The Church really was evil and the demon they summoned was their fault. God probably gave them a chance to redeem themselves after 1000 years of this shit, but went unseen as is his MO.

>>15907621

I don't even mind the hero's journey structure so much despite disliking some of the traits it kind of shoehorns the MC into having. I just have a personal rule for making the MC not an unlikable faggot.

The MC needs to have a goal of some sort. No more of these cardboard cutouts that exist only as the glue to bring together and react to the actually interesting characters. He needs to have a raison d'etre of his own and actively pursue his own interests.

and no "I want to go on an adventure" copout you fucking hacks

>>15907752

Thinking about it, the war itself could have been a pretext to create Sin itself. They needed a massive human sacrifice in order to create the fayth for Sin. The only way to get these people to accept was to make them believe there was no other way, so the Jews isolated this group and committed atrocities against them.

>>15906879

>why do they do this

Because fujoshis are even worse than otakus.

>>15907899

Except sin was armor around the fayth to protect dream zanarkand and sin fucked up bevelle.

>>15907911

I was reading this:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Machina_War

>Bevelle had the upper hand over Zanarkand's summoners. Knowing this, Zanarkand's leader, Yu Yevon, turned all surviving citizens of Zanarkand into fayth—with the exception of his daughter, Lady Yunalesca, and her husband, Lord Zaon—to summon a Dream Zanarkand. He created Sin as his armor to protect the dream metropolis, but as his humanity faded Sin went on a rampage and ultimately ended up destroying Zanarkand. As soon as the news of Sin reached Bevelle, a ceasefire was called and the war ended.

I'm not sure what it means for Sin to destroy Zanarkand after all the citizens were turned into fayth. Were the citizens alive and well?

It looks like both sides had summoners:

>As told in Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eien no Daishō~, summoners used to live on Besaid Island during the time of the Machina War, where they were trained to fight against Zanarkand while living a life of suppression regardless of their own desires.

>>15907911

Or was Yu Yevon entirely Sin? I can't tell.

>>15907911

Here's how Sin spawned:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sin

>Yu Yevon set this dream Zanarkand out to sea, then called pyreflies to himself to craft the first Sin. This was the only Sin that never had an aeon at its core. Sin was given three objectives: to protect the summoning of dream Zanarkand, to ensure it was not discovered, and to destroy any city that grew too large or relied too heavily on technology. The strain of trying to control Sin was beyond Yu Yevon, and the process destroyed his mind, removing any conscious control he may have had over it. Sin thus became a monster guided by its instincts, and indiscriminately attacked the machina civilizations all over Spira, starting with the true Zanarkand itself. Yu Yevon was reduced to a husk who existed only to summon.

It looks like Yu Yevon is Sin and is distinct from Dream Zanarkand. Hard to believe that it was all Yu Yevon. Dream Zanarkand exists someplace? Kind of strange it never came up. Also kind of strange that they make a big deal about destroying Zanarkand when all the people are fayth summoning Dream Zanarkand.

FF13 was a total disaster because it was a 2d game in 3d.

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>walk straight

>>15908013

You do not know your FFX lore.

Tidus is from Dream Zanarkand. Dream Zanarkand is on the map off the coast of Zanarkand. That is why Tidus wakes up near Baaj Temple.

Tidus did not "go forward in time 1000 years". He was always in the present. Jecht too.

Square has always been legendarily horrible at telling stories.

>>15908041

Dream Zanarkand is inside sin (Jecht) and he was hanging out near Baaj when he expels his son from his orifice.

>>15907143

This nigger is so fucking dumb, everybody point and laugh. I bet he thinks Jenova was alive in 7.

The simple, basic reason why almost all FF's are shit is because they're all shameless pseudo-D&D rip-offs that tried to implement D&D formulae, and instead, accidentally created a method of psychological control that lasts on and off- in all game instances- FFT and it's setting being the one exception, if only by a minor infraction.

If they wanted their games to be non-shit FF would have explainable integrated into worldspace monster bestiary, reason to use items and curatives, and they wouldn't play 50/50 with PC lore in the hopes of either writing a good story, and if they fuck it up, having the gameplay carry the game and the installments "NIGGER HIRE THE SIXGALLION ULTIMA MUSIC ARTISTS" to help poor customers trodge on through their shitfests.

If you want a good example of FF working, I'd say the first half of 7, and the Final Fantasy 1 Hardtype Hack are good examples of what they should do with their gameplay-

>Start is high risk high reward, unpredictability means using flee is preferable opposed to risking death

>Saves are limited, applying value to grinding between locations

>Pricing of items reflects time period and scarcity of goods distributed by wealth and town population

>Monsters hold little to no loot- all depends on the monster

>Monsters use abilities frequently

>It's a fools mistake to think docking spellcasters with non-support spells first is a good idea- game has actual fucking use for sleep, poison, and spells that allow for escape and enemy nerfing, some monster attacks can completely TPK and thus- need to be neutralized ASAP using the spellcaster- also prompting the importance of choosing ones battles due to MP limitations

>Seafaring for goods is a great way to grind overrall

>Monster's appear in more appropriate areas

>Increased enemy ability use encourages use of means to defend- non-human entities effectively now have a constant advantage over PC's emphasizing the importance of Party composition and teamwork overrall

If it wasn't for the earth cave glitch, that hack would've been perfect- but the latest update is unholy trash by definition.

>>15908041

I know that stuff, but I didn't know this:

>Dream Zanarkand is on the map off the coast of Zanarkand.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dream_Zanarkand

>It is located somewhere near Baaj Temple but cannot be easily accessed by anyone living in Spira and its whereabouts are only known by Sin.

There's just a pre-apocalyptic city hanging out no place in particular.

>>15908050

Yeah, dude, that's what I was thought, hence the human sacrifice, but >>15908013 says Yu Yevon sent Dream Zanarkand out to sea. Dream Zanarkand exists someplace according to the wiki.

It doesn't make sense. If it's in the real world, why the fuck did they need fayth to summon it? Sure, use fayth to summon your clones, but use real matter. Don't keep fucking summoning for a thousand years if it's in the real world. Jesus.

>>15908117

Why does everything have to be solved by making gameplay brutally difficult? This is what every Final Fantasy modder sets out to do. I recently played a mod of FFVIII that was a "Rebalance" but I ended up just getting stuck in the missile base because there was no way I could possibly beat the back-to-back-to-back bosses.

>>15907143

I get what you saying. It is Jenova cells and Sephiroth cells creating shit like new Sephiroths but at the end of the day its still actually Sephiroth controlling all that shit. You still actually fight him and technically his original body does resurrect for that High Noon moment with Cloud.

>>15907899

>>15907911

I was reading some forums of people that have read some guides somewhere. Yu Yevon crafted Sin from the souls of all those who had died, using a gravity spell. That's why Sin uses gravity spells.

>>15908174

Because if you don't most players will just fucking spam attack on normal battles, and only save attack spells for bosses. 9 times out of 10 this is what people are bitching about a game being 'too grindy'.

>>15908421

But you don't need to grind in any of the later FF games?

>>15908431

You misread my post. What people say a rpg is 'too grindy' they aren't really complain having to kill mobs on hours on end to level up to kill the next boss. What they're really complaining that the combat is too fucking easy, they just spam the attack action because that's an effect tactic and saves the most resources as well.

>>15908190

>You still actually fight him and technically his original body does resurrect for that High Noon moment with Cloud.

He never gets out of his materia prison, that fight happens in the lifestream. Sephiroth is technically still alive encased in a giant chaos emerald.

>>15906879

Seems to be a massive problem with Japanese writers in general.

Animes like Inuyasha and Ghost Stories coincidentally have the young ones be the blandest pieces of shits ever, including their villains. The actual side characters with experience which get featured 5% of the time end up being the most mesmerizing and depthful characters in the series which could easily change the whole dynamic and mood of the show for the better.

No more retarded incompetent "Ash Ketchum". Instead we'd get "Red" who whips the floor down with Gary M Oak and bangs Blue like he was made for it.

Japanese writers either write adequately suave competent characters or they go "herp derp too overpowered, gotta nerf" barest amount of effort to create an incompetent charmless character.

Even when they do put in the effort to write a competent character, he's just average. An average mature competent character like all the others. When writers try to pull that "misfit with powers" bullshit we get Ben 10 and then a lot of hypocritical "you're not a true hero, you're just a faggot" speeches straight out of the hypocrites mouth.

I think there's huge potential in this contrast idea which every idiot refuses to do. But this would require 2 distinct writers.

Introduce a bunch of incompetent hateful main characters together with some lovable hero characters. Give enough episodes to let the viewers learn to hate team 7 and then change the whole focus on the good characters. And every once in a while drop some episodes showing how Team Loser is doing so you can be even more thankful that the focus has been taken off them. " Hah imagine if you actually wasted 900 episodes of your free time experiencing those delusional losers yelling how they're best friends forever who insult and murder each other".

Truly a lot of potential when you learn how to use contrasts to your advantage.

>>15909391

Instead of the bullshit excuses they try to feed you with "serious/immature, straightman/crazy one, genius/clinically retarded" which they keep forcefully pushing in every media.

Let's separate the two elements and replicate them. The negative element is there to make the positive element look even better than he is, to boost him.

You expect shit, all your expectations are lowered and when you get introduced with good things they suddenly appear amazing, like a superman who can save you and do anything. No more anti-fun.

Let's say we start off a game series with a bunch of fat ugly "girls" with horrible personalities. All your expectations are lowered continuously.

But suddenly after a few hours of game time pass you finally get to play as the cute sexy girls with appealing personalities. You abandon the ugly landwhales and play as the team of supergirls. You go from viewing the world through greasy landwhales glasses all the way to the end of the spectrum: rose-tinted glasses. Suddenly those rosy-tinted glasses appear all the better, rainbow, like you're on crack.

That is how you control and use contrast for great purposes.

>>15909393

He's naked in there actually, not that it actually has anything to do with anything.

>>15906879

>ooh you wanna know about thing? i have life experiences. does anyone remember this dance? you are inexperienced. im tired of talking lets go.

>>15909391

>>15909440

I like the stuff about contrasts, but if people didn't like the awful characters, hard to imagine they'd want to endure them. All you've got in the beginning is a shit story; people who dislike it wouldn't expect things to suddenly improve, and people that like the shit parts could dislike the changes.

>>15907108

>cultural memes are spooks

Someone get the anti-Reddit gas spewer.

>>15907108

>honor is a spook

>x is a spook

>>>/leftypol/

Get out, kike.

>>15910207

>>15910231

is he wrong?

>>15910305

Right and wrong is a spook :^)

Niggers are spooks.

>>15907394

>>15907466

Objection, you only kill god in The After Years for IV.

>>15906879

It's finally time more people noticed this dumb trend. And it is a trend when all media from around the world does the same shit. The same way how people are finding villains to be more interesting and that's because of what this fag said. >>15907777 I don't know WHO said that you have to follow this tired old garbage trope about the Hero's Journey. And once the Japs gets something stuck in their retarded gookhead, they will repeat the same dronish trend until something else comes along.

The reason why people find villains to be better (and also why bitches love villains), is because they are PROACTIVE, they have a goal in mind and will do everything in their might to get it, this is what actually creates good characters (And better humans in general), seeing how this person will achieve HIS goal many themes can come into effect and people in general will think about, questioning morals, ethics, his actions, etc. This makes for a far more interesting character, characters are created not for people to relate. I've been saying this for a long time and now finally someone made it in video form.

>>15908117

Great changes. But as we all know, that will never happens.

Webm won't fucking upload, but watch this shit from 25:00 to 30:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGqnjsevf3E

>>15912014

I honestly think japs do "wise old man" better than anyone. They just seem to rarely use it, maybe that's why it's so nice when they do it.

>>15912038

Because in third world countries wise old man are side characters in general. They somewhat appreciate their advice, but they don't take them very seriously. Don't let the "respect elders" bullshit they tell others fool you, in asia it's cool to be young and stupid.

>>15912014

>For some unknown reason they really love teenagers.

The Nip equivalent to boomers have nostalgia for their youth, meanwhile the current generation are put through a machine meant to break their spirit and crush their souls devised by their parents because they disagreed with the government becoming more lenient with their kids. So of course for them it's pure escapism from reality.

Vaan and Hope get the rope.

>>15912014

Go back to whatever normalfag shithole you crawled out of.

>>15907108

>gook

Gooks are koreans.

>>15912860

>Elaborate.

After you got enough info from completed sub-quests in academy, you could access Codex to change story missions into alternate harder ones and if you managed to do all codex missions you got alternate history good ending.

Of course, it's almost impossible to accomplish in first playthrough from gameplay systems.

Mainly by character levels. If difference in these is too high in enemies favor, your characters will just die by one shoot from generic soldier.

>Was the ability to see them fucked with?

If I remember it right they were blacked out.

>>15906904

Square Enix aren't Korean.

>>15907248

IX is trash, you have taste in your arse. VII is decent but hasn't held up all that well - i replayed 6 and 7 again this year.

>>15913145

No, it doesn't.

Chink is Chinese.

Nip is Japanese.

Gook is Korean.

>>15913107

IX is amazing, anyone who says otherwise is a nigger deserving of a good lynching.

>>15907752

It wasn't god, it was the collective consciousness of fayth that wanted to finally rest in peace and to not be used to perpetuate the suffering caused by the machinations of the cult.

>>15913165

IX is amazing outside of the gameplay which was repetitive and slow as molasses because of the loading times. It was more enjoyable if you did speedruns

>>15913165

>anyone who says otherwise is a nigger deserving of a good lynching.

Or they're just looking at it critically, as an adult, and realising it's not very good. Rather than just going off the feelings you have from when you first played it as a 9 year old.

Because players are supposed to relate to the characters they are playing, and no one plays/should play videogames after turning 13-14

>>15912708

Tumblr Moogles, because apparently "Mog" doesn't cut it in [CURRENT YEAR]. Also I've heard a lot of complaints about motion blur that was added for the HD version or something. PSP original has a fan-translation anyhow, which Square was barely too slow to prevent the release of after smelling blood in the water.

>>15911540

>The reason why people find villains to be better (and also why bitches love villains), is because they are PROACTIVE, they have a goal in mind and will do everything in their might to get it, this is what actually creates good characters

Actually, being proactive and taking action (sometimes making rash decisions or biting off more than they can chew) is a trait that's more relateable to younger audiences. A protagonist that represents a grown aldult would have obligations and responsibilities (to represent family duties, wagecucking, etc.)

Vid is /tg/ but it's the best example I can think of for a MC for teens to relate to vs. an MC for adults to relate to. The actual arguments start at about 2:45

>>15912014

Japs realize their lives end when they graduate high school and become even bigger wage slaves than any Western country could ever imagine. That's why animes have such a fixation on that particular age range for characters.

>>15907248

>VII the game that ruined it to appeal to normalfaggot and retard with shit taste like you.

An hero disappear.

>>15922522

He's not that interesting of a character. He was a really good warrior monk, followed all the rules, joined the church. Then he got snubbed for a promotion by scheming kikes, turned into a grumpy asshole, then joined Buddha and best dad on a boilerplate adventure where his bitch ass died at the end. Jecht was by far the better character.

>animes

>>15923112

He's not and Jecht is far more compelling and should be protag in X-3

>>15923112

He looks cool. That's it. The rest of him is generic tough guy one-liners and bland backstory. I'd rather watch the adventures of sweet Braska and hella Jecht.

>>15923789

If those niggers actually played FF10 they'd know Auron was the whiny faggot in the last pilgrimage

>>15906879

>FF13 was a total disaster because it lacked wise old dudes.

If you think FF13 was a disaster because it lacked old dudes you need to >>>/suicide/