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They were all shit gameplay wise, but at least 1 had an interesting sci-fi universe that felt like it had some thought put into it. 2 shit the bed and ruined any chance 3 had of being remotely good from a narrative standpoint. The series lost a lot when it let go of that first writer.

ME3 was the best in the series tbh

>>15845721

>2 shit the bed

direct >>15845708

>>15845727

top kek mate.

That's nice but why do you think that anyone cares?

Agreed. But you must understand that some gamers are simply too sentimental to admit that their select game is not the best and will refuse to have any honest debate with you. Also, sage for a thread I've already seen dozens of times.

>>15845767

Sage dropped tbh.

>hey jim, we need you to compose a theme for a bad ending

>thanks, this is the game's theme now, every ending is bad

Artists in AAA devs are wasted resources.

Framerate sucks - Go play through the snow planet and tell me it wasn't annoying.

- We were promised realistic facial expressions, but what a load that was. Nothing was more believable in this game which they claimed they put so much emphasis than Halo 3. It was not movie-like, and the weird faces the characters would make didn't help it either.

- No real depth to the gameplay - Upgrading weapons was nothing special, using different techniques to kill your enemies was nothing special. "WOW THIS TIME I USED A SNIPER INSTEAD OF USING FORCE PUSH!" Your teammates were no real help, even when you would give them the best armor/weapon you can find.

- The characters are forgettable. They couldn't think of a better last boss battle? That totally sucked. The human characters were meh, they didn't do anything in the story that would make me care if they died or not. The alien characters suffered the same treatment…except they weren't as forgettable because they are ALIENS!

- Having to go through barren planets was the worst idea ever - I'm sorry that I expected to meet different races in different planets within different societies. Instead, I had to do these side-missions where I drive a stupid space buggy and go around a world with a bunch of nothingness and more nothingness. Recycled vegetation, sand, rock and other things I didn't care about.

- They emphasized on exploration, but there was no REAL exploring to do.

This was not Bioware's best game, not by a long shot.

>>15845769

>ME2 was a great follow up in terms of plot

Nope. ME2 was the end, people were just too blind and hopeful to see it.

>>15845769

>ME2 was a great follow up in terms of plot

At the end of mass effect 1, the council has seen and recognised the reaper threat and has given Shepard the authority to pursue means of counterattack against them. Cerberus has been portrayed as an laughably incompetent fringe mad scientist group.

At the start of Mass Effect 2, the council no longer believes in the reapers and have withdrawn their support from Shepard. Cerberus is apparently some extremely dangerous and massively resourceful covert operations outfit.

Instead of investigating the galactic civilisation destroying Reapers, Shepard is railroaded into tracking down some people-traffickers. At the end of the story, Shepard proves the reapers exist and commits to finding a way to stop them.

Mass Effect 2 seems good from a story standpoint, because the character writing is somewhat decent. But in terms of its place within the trilogy, it absolutely crippled the pacing of the series. You might consider it to be one big sidestory, because the overarching plot barely moves forward. At the end of Mass Effect 2, Shepard is in the same place as he was at the end of Mass Effect 1. Because ME2 failed to deliver any information whatsover on the Reaper threat and possible counter-attack and defensive options for the characters to use, it had to be included in Mass Effect 3 instead. This meant that Mass Effect 3 was always doomed to be a rushed mess as they would have to pull double duty. It's also why everything felt like such an asspull at the end, because they didn't have time to actually foreshadow effectively.

I haven't actually played these games in many years, so I'm sorry if I got any of the details wrong. Almost all of ME3's story problems can be blamed on the shitty handover it got from ME2. ME2 was the game that ruined the series and guaranteed that the trilogy would be shit.

>>15845838

>investigating Reapers

You're too fixated on Reapers. They're stuck outside the galaxy in empty space, thousands of light years away, and Harbinger failed to fix the Citadel for them. There's nothing to prevent, it was established back in ME1.

>the best game in the series actually ruined the series

k

>>15845849

The anime image doesn't give it away?

To be honest, I played ME3 multiplayer a lot. I was looking for some Gears of War styled multiplayer, and that was it. If I am not mistaken, it's the only game that features horde mode just like GoW.

>>15845769

Nice to see somebody who unironically likes the combat in ME1.

>>15845838

The council never recognized the threat, in the end only Shepard and friends did. The Council just said "oh thanks for saving us, that's it then, end of story, no more reapers or geth".

ME3's only real story problems were the endings, you can't put any blame on the second game for that. ME2 might not have been the traditional middle arc, but it didn't fail to deliver information, it had a lot of foreshadowing really, with the human Reaper and the Collectors. It's true in the end they didn't know what the fuck to do about the invasion, and as a result the building of the Crucible seemed really farfetched in 3.

>>15845799

>using different techniques to kill your enemies was nothing special

Other than Warp, the biotic abilities are really OP, and the Singularity is OP compared to all biotic abilities.

>>15845897

>In Mass Effect 2 Shepard doesn't do anything about the Reapers

Shepard kills a Reaper with his own hands. ME2 is about the Collectors and indirectly the Reapers, they want to figure out what the Collectors are up to by harvesting human colonies, and if they are working for the Reapers like the Geth were. Granted they could have stuffed something more in there, look for something the protheans left behind that could help defeat the reapers (what basically happened off screen in ME3).

>>15845708

Mass effect 2 was the best in terms of gameplay but I found the story to be more compelling and interesting in 1, the gameplay was pretty clunky but once I got used to it was pretty good. Graphics never bothered me. After 2 it went to shit though

>>15845892

At the end of Mass Effect 1 Anderson (who is potentially the chairman of the human-lead council depending on your choices) throws his full support behind Shepard and encourages the others to do the same.

If the humans lead and control the council because of the threat of the reapers, why on earth would they try to downplay the threat of the reapers? It makes no sense. It's a stupid decision by the writer of 2.

>>15845915

Government not being able or willing to put a lot of resources investigating a mostly unknown, almost myth like threat isn't bad writing, what is bad writing is the ME1 companions not giving a shit about it. Liara could have made some progress given her resources and she only gets off her ass in ME3. Anderson didn't stop worrying about the reapers, but he's one person in the Council that was shown in the first game to be three aliens burdened by responsibility of being charge of an entire galactic society and also fear. The Council is a bad idea to begin with.

>ME2 was a great follow up in terms of plot

How fucking retarded can you be? ME1 set everything up perfectly for the sequels: the danger of the reapers has been shown and now you have to prepare for dealing with them. Options include uniting everyone or trying to build as strong a human force as possible.

>hurr nah reapers don't real, decides everyone in the fucking galaxy

>Shepard twiddles his thumbs for two years or whatever

>Shepard dies for no reason, his death and revival has essentially no bearing on the story aside from being a timeskip (in addition to the one you just fucking had)

>nothing that happens in ME2 has any relation whatsoever to what ME1 set up, you just get a retconned collector race kidnapping people and absolutely NOTHING is done to prepare for the coming of the reapers

ME1 set a conflict up for the sequels. ME2 completely ignores it to go on a huge detour. Oh no bug people suddenly attack, we must stop them and conveniently stop them building a new reaper that had zero fucking relation to anything, now we're back to where we started. The plot doesn't move in the slightest from where ME1 ended. You're back to preparing for the coming of the reapers, except as they showed with the shitty retcons in ME2, they fucking can't because everyone has plot convenient amnesia. And that's how ME3 starts; absolutely nothing has been done to prepare for them. ME2 did literally nothing to progress the actual story.

I can't tell if you're shills, baiting or actually just this fucking stupid. ME2 was an objectively awful sequel from a story perspective, and a pretty shitty one from any other perspective for that matter. Yeah it turned the gameplay into Gears, but that wasn't much of an improvement considering all the other horrible changes to gameplay like "thermal sinks" and universal cooldowns.

>>15845977

Just the fact that you consider gears of shit gameplay to be a positive makes me disregard your entire opinion post with "the plot was fun".

>>15845947

At the end of ME1 the previous council died, they were attacked by reapers. It's not a mythic or unknown threat if it killed your immediate predecessors. If you played as a renegade you could choose to replace the council with an exclusively human council. The other races were scared at the end of ME1, they wanted the humans to step up and take a more active role because they had been shown irrefutable evidence that this mostly unknown, myth like threat was real and tangible, and a single one of them could attack the seat power in the galaxy and almost win against the combined forces of the council races on hand.

I would understand if some of the races were reluctant to commit large amounts of resources, but they literally commit nothing. Shepard is a Spectre, uniquely suited to address the reapers due to his ability to understand prothean technology. He has a squad consisting of some of the foremost experts on prothean relics. He has one of the best ships money can buy. All they need to do to support him is give him to go-ahead.

Instead, In 2, they tell him to fuck off and he is forced to turn towards Cerberus for support on his quest because the (human controlled) council stonewalled him and revoked his status as spectre.

Cerberus, which in ME1 was portrayed like incompetent saturday morning cartoon villains.

It's fucking retarded.

ME1 set up a pretty sweet hard sci-fi universe and ME2 is an action game that should have been a spinoff.

>>15845988

You are right that it doesn't work with every ending in ME1. They gave some explanation at the prologue of ME2 about Shepard's crew just being used to kill Geth remnants, but I don't remember if it was bullshit or not.

>>15845897

>Blows up an entire galaxy

>Kills a reaper that was about to be completed

>He actually did nothing in me2 to stop the reaper invasion

Also, the collectors were controlled by the reaper harbinger and were harvesting entire planets. What would concern you more? Collectors that are doing shit right now or the reapers that haven't been engaged with in years?

>What about the councel tho

Some of them may have believed that the reaper threat was ended because the lack of them even viewing a reaper. Also, in me3 (in the citadel dlc) it was quite clear that some of the council believed that the reaper threat was real but decided to shelve it and tell the public it had ended to keep them from panicking. Did you even watch the beginning of me3? They had no idea of how to even prepare for such a threat and clearly we're just delaying their responsibilities due to years of complacency.

>What about cerberus being weak

It was established in me2 that what shepherd did in me1 was no more than him going after a few minor outposts that had no real significance on their organization. Also, 4 years is a long time they could have grown significantly in that time.

>Muh pacing tho

What happened in mass effect 1 was sovereign attempting to signal an early reaper invasion that was stopped by shepherd and crew. So, there really is nothing wrong with the pacing here.

>>15846041

Fuck off newfag, you're not fooling anyone.

I remember long elevators as a con for first ME. Also for ME3 IIRC you have to play multiplayer to get the best ending which was also fucking retarded. I disliked ME3 a lot in general though it doesn't feel like an RPG game

>ME 3

>Streamlined everything

How is this better?

>>15846038

>>be me

>>>/out/

>>15846062

I'm usually first to criticize use of >be me but the way you're sperging out like the autistic 8ch police is just making you look like a faggot. Get better material.

>>15846053

Elevators were loading screens.

>for ME3 IIRC you have to play multiplayer to get the best ending

No you don't.

>>15846116

>>for ME3 IIRC you have to play multiplayer to get the best ending

>No you don't.

Are you sure? IIRC there's something like a power percentage in the game. It starts at 50% and to increase it you have to play MP. at 50%, you can collect every asset in the game but won't be enough to get the best ending.

That was how it was when it first came out at least. I played with imported save and used a guide to get every asset, still couldn't get the best ending. Had to do save editing

>>15846119

You're dumb. You can get enough for the "good" endings with just singleplayer without cheating.

>>15846119

When the base game came out, you needed 4000+ war assets to get the "best" ending. Without the multiplier you mentioned, the most you could get was around 3500, which proved Bioware lied about not needing MP for the "best" ending. When the Extended Cut ending dropped, they lowered the requirements so you could get it without MP. The DLCs released later shower you with war asset points to further lower the amount you could get without MP.

>>15847934

It belongs to a very rare niche, especially the first game.

>>15848335

How so? In terms of gameplay or setting?

>>15845708

The one thing I have learned is that whenever you have a great trilogy, it almost always has the worst kind of fans. For example, halo 3 fan boys who bashed on halo reach. Their "criticisms" almost always revolve on the game actually being different from a previous game (in the series) that they played. Basically it's about them wanting almost the exact same game but with a slightly different storyline or the game coming perfectly off the same point in time the previous game did. They wanted the same exact game and this thread can only show that. They are just retarded fanboys who have a little bit too much nostalgia and in this particular case too much imagination as you pointed out (with supposedly better "exploration" than ME2).